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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Blean Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. Where is our wastewater going?
Why is this still a problem? The Chase New Zealand
debuted last night. Everyone's talking about it, perhaps not quite
(00:46):
as much as they're talking about the netball thing where yeah,
Dave Nolen was out and about finally talking about it yesterday,
but she wasn't really saying anything.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Unfortunately, none of us here in this office can think
of a single employment disagreement that has been dragged out
in public like this for this long, with this much
interest in it. Not even I would say the John
hawksby Richard Long case back in the late nineties, which
was really big deal at the time. Not even that
went on this long and was this badly handled. None
(01:16):
of us can also think of a single time when
Mike Hoskin interviewed someone over four interview slots, which is
what happened with Dame Knowles this morning. Even during covid
Ji Sindadun maybe got three slots maximum Nole's got four.
That's how big this is. It's certainly big enough I
think for somebody at Netbull New Zealand now to lose
their job.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm sorry to say this because I've got a lot
of respect for Matt Winneray, the chair of the board,
but I think this is now big enough for him
to actually have to consider standing down, either him or
the CEO, Jenny Wiley, or frankly both of them. Either
that or they tell us that Dame Knowles is wrong
and that what she said on here this morning was wrong.
But if her version of events is right, then what
has happened to her is completely unacceptable and Netball New
(01:56):
Zealand must indicate that they think that that they do
not condone this kind of ill treatment of employees, because
their judgment is now in question. We're all looking at
this and thinking, if you can stuff up something this badly,
what else are you going to say stuff up? They
cannot afford for us to not believe in their judgment
because they are now far from far they are far
from through the worst of what they're going through, and
(02:16):
the financial crisis that they're in and the broadcasting crisis
that they're in. Right, they have not actually solved their
broadcasting problems. They have not saved the domestic competition. If
they want us to trust that they know what they
are doing, and if they want us to not question
them at every single turn, then I'm sorry. Someone absolutely
has to lose their job over this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, Gail Prita did she quit over Verse's. She's kind
of like the biggest loser out of all of us,
because now she's out there in space with no job.
Nolane still seems to have hers. It's the weirdest thing
News Talk seth been. Also, I'd suggest that the Christine
(02:58):
Rankin Wins thing did drag on and it took up
quite a lot of program time. And I know this
because it was the first big interview that I ever
had to record about twenty four years ago when I
started this job, and I almost completely cocked it up.
We pre recorded the interview she'd fled the country. We
pre recorded her from Queensland because we weren't through it.
(03:21):
We were the only show that was going to have her,
and computers didn't work as well in those days as
they do today, and there was just a window that
came out saying please wait, as I was saving the interview,
and I had been working with a poor home back
then for about four seconds, and he was looking at
me like, I can't believe they fired this guy and
he's cocked out the biggest interview of the year. But
(03:43):
we got there, thanks very much.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
And that was the point where Dame Nolen, after dancing
on the head of a pin, as you would expect
with a gagging order, after dancing on the head of
a pin, she still managed to throw a nitball in
New Zealand under a bus. Now, if I was a
suspicious person, maybe you're more suspicious than me. But if
I was suspicious, I would say that Dame Nolen and
(04:07):
her PM it realized at that point that she might
have crossed the line and you know, saying a bit
about no investigation, and that's why she entered the call.
But I did do a check because I thought you
might be suspicious, and I did check, and she was
on TV and zed a short time after she was
on with Mike. Either way, I reckon that Borne Is
(04:30):
Zealand is looking worse this morning than it has during
this whole saga. You think about it, to stand down
your head coach without telling her why and without conducting
any sort of investigation, that screams one thing to me,
was it screamed to you? Screams one thing to me,
(04:51):
Mickey Mouse. And it shows now why chief executive Jenny
Whey couldn't explain last week why Dame Nolean was back.
Well that didn't Apparently then I know why she was
gone in the first place, So how can you explain
why she's back? And this has turned out to be
more of a cluster that we thought it was.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, exactly what I said at the beginning of the podcast.
If you thought that this was going to put everything
to bed, think again. Out what John was referring to
the at the beginning of that comment piece was Dave
Nolen went off to appear on a show with the
the audience of the My Houstand Breakfast just because it
was TV, and then we had to get it back
(05:33):
on later on, which is unprecedented. And I can't believe
that we did all that on a US talk or
compelling radio, depending on which way you look at it.
Was it all a deliberate ploy on our part to
try and pull people through to this this thing in
radio called TSL Total DSL t LS Total time spent
(05:56):
listening TSL. You can tell why how obsess I am
with this sort of stuff. Anyway, We're always trying to
extend that out to give people to have listened for longer.
So maybe we did that on purpose. We'll have to
get it back later on. We didn't, but maybe we did. Anyway.
What did you think of all this carry on?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Jane? How are you?
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Good, thank you. I would just like to say that
all this is going on and I totally support Noline
Tyroor and what she's done and how she's had the
belief in the silver Ferns that she can carry on coaching.
What I think is quite important is that she needs
(06:36):
to get to get on the Northern Tour and be
able to coach Sarah along with Deb Fuller, because if
she doesn't, that means that next year is going to
be even more even more of a of a it's
just a sending the other two coaches is just a
non event. She needs she needs to be there. She
(06:57):
needs to be coaching them on this trip so that
she can she can put into systems that she needs.
They need to get the experience that she wants them
to have through her. And you know, it's all very
well talking about the board and the CEO and the
toxic environment that's within the New Zealand Netball at the moment
that Nathan Limbs has reported on. But that's that's going
(07:21):
to happen. But at the end, at the moment, she
needs to get to Scotland and England and I don't
know who is able to do that. Obviously the board
aren't going to do it, and I don't know if
there's anyone above the board that can ensure she gets
here and takes over because what is happening at the
moment with the test is basically a waste of time.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Spot on, Jane, and I think a lot of people
will agree with you.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's amazing, isn't it. Stuff like this happens, and you
have to keep reminding yourself it's only a game, come on, guys,
settle gretel. That's unfortunately what becomes professional. It's no longer
only a game, is it now. Andrew Dickens is standing
(08:05):
at the Rhine Bridge this week and he is a
bit annoyed that we keep tipping pooh into the water,
especially where the oysters are.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Apparently Watercare has the right to do a dump like
this two hundred times every year. I was flabbergasted. That's
a lot of dumping into a river, of a lot
of wastewater that's killing the oysters in the mullets. And
then on the weekend I actually got a personal call
from a local MP and she told me the Watercare
basically wrote their own consent, they needed to involve public consultation.
(08:37):
Yet all they did was drop some leaflets at the
walk With Library, so nobody knew this was happening. She
raised the issue with the mayor, the man who wants
to make Auckland a global city, and mister fix It
didn't seem at all interested in fixing it. And so
now they dump the region's wastewater into the Maharanngi River
and they're allowed to do that two hundred times a year.
It's killing the river, it's destroying the oyster business. It's
(08:59):
decibated commercial fishing in the area. So it's a bit
of a symptom of intensification because Walkw's going off, it's
a symptom of the infrastructure being unable to cope with
the new demand. We build the houses, we don't make
the infrastructure. And it's a symptom of a council not
having enough money to fix the problem, and not having
enough desire to help the effective businesses and not wanting
(09:20):
to rescue a wrecked river. And honestly, I'd rather go
and swim in the River Thames in London or the
sand in Paris than swim in the Maharrangi in rural
North Auckland. And isn't that a shame? This issue has
been swept under the carpet by water Care and the
authorities and it's frankly just not good enough because day
by day, clean green functioning New Zealand is becoming a
(09:44):
myth and a lie. We all like to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Tell unfortunate sort of metaphor there that he used the
sweeping under the carpet because I'm just sort of picturing
sweeping pooh water under the carpet and I don't think
you want to be doing that. It's going to be
some smelly consequences to that. Egck oh, I can't stop
thinking about pooh water and I really want to news talk.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Zi.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Been distract myself by going back and watching the end
of the Chase. I only made it halfway through last
night and then I had to go to bed.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
The chase is on. I thought it'd be on it
between five and six. This is the New Zealand Chase.
About twenty minutes left in it. If you've run screaming
from the room because it was so bad, let us
know otherwise we'll mop up that conversation a little bit
later on. I'd love to know what you've thought of it.
It's kind of a weird one. It's filmed in Australia
(10:34):
and to be in it you had to be someone
who was a key we living in Australia, so it's
something of controves. I don't think to do many episodes,
like six or seven, so not many at all. But
if you watched it, wats like apparently quite a few
New Zealand questions. You could try some of those on
me of course as well. So yes, and I presume
(10:54):
this will be the best, but I presume they would
have screened the best one first, that's what they do
in TV. I don't know how many episodes there would be.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's a four part special. That's the oddest thing about
all of this. It seems like a lot of time
and effort and money and resource for just four episodes
of it. Whatever happened to the sale of the Sentry
that was on every night? How come we can't do
proper game shows? You've got the Spelling Me one and
Tarts Master, and I think that's about it, isn't it
(11:27):
are the only ones that actually going to work anymore?
And then we'll just borrow Australia's borrowing of the UK's
game show for four episodes ridiculous. I am Willian Heart.
Actually Noah bloke who was in it last night. I
don't know how he got on, but I'll have to
(11:49):
go back and watch it. I won't. I'll just ask me.
And I want you to do the opposite. If somebody
asks you what happened on today's new stooks they've been
if you tell them, go and listen to yourself, and
that'll bump my numbers up a bit. And I'll see
that tomorrow. And whoever you tell.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Blean Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. Where is our wastewater going?
Why is this still a problem? The Chase New Zealand
debuted last night. Everyone's talking about it, perhaps not quite
(00:46):
as much as they're talking about the netball thing where yeah,
Dave Nolen was out and about finally talking about it yesterday,
but she wasn't really saying anything.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Unfortunately, none of us here in this office can think
of a single employment disagreement that has been dragged out
in public like this for this long, with this much
interest in it. Not even I would say the John
hawksby Richard Long case back in the late nineties, which
was really big deal at the time. Not even that
went on this long and was this badly handled. None
(01:16):
of us can also think of a single time when
Mike Hoskin interviewed someone over four interview slots, which is
what happened with Dame Knowles this morning. Even during covid
Ji Sindadun maybe got three slots maximum Nole's got four.
That's how big this is. It's certainly big enough I
think for somebody at Netbull New Zealand now to lose
their job.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Now.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm sorry to say this because I've got a lot
of respect for Matt Winneray, the chair of the board,
but I think this is now big enough for him
to actually have to consider standing down, either him or
the CEO, Jenny Wiley, or frankly both of them. Either
that or they tell us that Dame Knowles is wrong
and that what she said on here this morning was wrong.
But if her version of events is right, then what
has happened to her is completely unacceptable and Netball New
(01:56):
Zealand must indicate that they think that that they do
not condone this kind of ill treatment of employees, because
their judgment is now in question. We're all looking at
this and thinking, if you can stuff up something this badly,
what else are you going to say stuff up? They
cannot afford for us to not believe in their judgment
because they are now far from far they are far
from through the worst of what they're going through, and
(02:16):
the financial crisis that they're in and the broadcasting crisis
that they're in. Right, they have not actually solved their
broadcasting problems. They have not saved the domestic competition. If
they want us to trust that they know what they
are doing, and if they want us to not question
them at every single turn, then I'm sorry. Someone absolutely
has to lose their job over this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, Gail Prita did she quit over Verse's. She's kind
of like the biggest loser out of all of us,
because now she's out there in space with no job.
Nolane still seems to have hers. It's the weirdest thing
News Talk seth been. Also, I'd suggest that the Christine
(02:58):
Rankin Wins thing did drag on and it took up
quite a lot of program time. And I know this
because it was the first big interview that I ever
had to record about twenty four years ago when I
started this job, and I almost completely cocked it up.
We pre recorded the interview she'd fled the country. We
pre recorded her from Queensland because we weren't through it.
(03:21):
We were the only show that was going to have her,
and computers didn't work as well in those days as
they do today, and there was just a window that
came out saying please wait, as I was saving the interview,
and I had been working with a poor home back
then for about four seconds, and he was looking at
me like, I can't believe they fired this guy and
he's cocked out the biggest interview of the year. But
(03:43):
we got there, thanks very much.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
And that was the point where Dame Nolen, after dancing
on the head of a pin, as you would expect
with a gagging order, after dancing on the head of
a pin, she still managed to throw a nitball in
New Zealand under a bus. Now, if I was a
suspicious person, maybe you're more suspicious than me. But if
I was suspicious, I would say that Dame Nolen and
(04:07):
her PM it realized at that point that she might
have crossed the line and you know, saying a bit
about no investigation, and that's why she entered the call.
But I did do a check because I thought you
might be suspicious, and I did check, and she was
on TV and zed a short time after she was
on with Mike. Either way, I reckon that Borne Is
(04:30):
Zealand is looking worse this morning than it has during
this whole saga. You think about it, to stand down
your head coach without telling her why and without conducting
any sort of investigation, that screams one thing to me,
was it screamed to you? Screams one thing to me,
(04:51):
Mickey Mouse. And it shows now why chief executive Jenny
Whey couldn't explain last week why Dame Nolean was back.
Well that didn't Apparently then I know why she was
gone in the first place, So how can you explain
why she's back? And this has turned out to be
more of a cluster that we thought it was.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, exactly what I said at the beginning of the podcast.
If you thought that this was going to put everything
to bed, think again. Out what John was referring to
the at the beginning of that comment piece was Dave
Nolen went off to appear on a show with the
the audience of the My Houstand Breakfast just because it
was TV, and then we had to get it back
(05:33):
on later on, which is unprecedented. And I can't believe
that we did all that on a US talk or
compelling radio, depending on which way you look at it.
Was it all a deliberate ploy on our part to
try and pull people through to this this thing in
radio called TSL Total DSL t LS Total time spent
(05:56):
listening TSL. You can tell why how obsess I am
with this sort of stuff. Anyway, We're always trying to
extend that out to give people to have listened for longer.
So maybe we did that on purpose. We'll have to
get it back later on. We didn't, but maybe we did. Anyway.
What did you think of all this carry on?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Jane? How are you?
Speaker 6 (06:15):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Good, thank you. I would just like to say that
all this is going on and I totally support Noline
Tyroor and what she's done and how she's had the
belief in the silver Ferns that she can carry on coaching.
What I think is quite important is that she needs
(06:36):
to get to get on the Northern Tour and be
able to coach Sarah along with Deb Fuller, because if
she doesn't, that means that next year is going to
be even more even more of a of a it's
just a sending the other two coaches is just a
non event. She needs she needs to be there. She
(06:57):
needs to be coaching them on this trip so that
she can she can put into systems that she needs.
They need to get the experience that she wants them
to have through her. And you know, it's all very
well talking about the board and the CEO and the
toxic environment that's within the New Zealand Netball at the moment
that Nathan Limbs has reported on. But that's that's going
(07:21):
to happen. But at the end, at the moment, she
needs to get to Scotland and England and I don't
know who is able to do that. Obviously the board
aren't going to do it, and I don't know if
there's anyone above the board that can ensure she gets
here and takes over because what is happening at the
moment with the test is basically a waste of time.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Spot on, Jane, and I think a lot of people
will agree with you.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's amazing, isn't it. Stuff like this happens, and you
have to keep reminding yourself it's only a game, come on, guys,
settle gretel. That's unfortunately what becomes professional. It's no longer
only a game, is it now. Andrew Dickens is standing
(08:05):
at the Rhine Bridge this week and he is a
bit annoyed that we keep tipping pooh into the water,
especially where the oysters are.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Apparently Watercare has the right to do a dump like
this two hundred times every year. I was flabbergasted. That's
a lot of dumping into a river, of a lot
of wastewater that's killing the oysters in the mullets. And
then on the weekend I actually got a personal call
from a local MP and she told me the Watercare
basically wrote their own consent, they needed to involve public consultation.
(08:37):
Yet all they did was drop some leaflets at the
walk With Library, so nobody knew this was happening. She
raised the issue with the mayor, the man who wants
to make Auckland a global city, and mister fix It
didn't seem at all interested in fixing it. And so
now they dump the region's wastewater into the Maharanngi River
and they're allowed to do that two hundred times a year.
It's killing the river, it's destroying the oyster business. It's
(08:59):
decibated commercial fishing in the area. So it's a bit
of a symptom of intensification because Walkw's going off, it's
a symptom of the infrastructure being unable to cope with
the new demand. We build the houses, we don't make
the infrastructure. And it's a symptom of a council not
having enough money to fix the problem, and not having
enough desire to help the effective businesses and not wanting
(09:20):
to rescue a wrecked river. And honestly, I'd rather go
and swim in the River Thames in London or the
sand in Paris than swim in the Maharrangi in rural
North Auckland. And isn't that a shame? This issue has
been swept under the carpet by water Care and the
authorities and it's frankly just not good enough because day
by day, clean green functioning New Zealand is becoming a
(09:44):
myth and a lie. We all like to.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Tell unfortunate sort of metaphor there that he used the
sweeping under the carpet because I'm just sort of picturing
sweeping pooh water under the carpet and I don't think
you want to be doing that. It's going to be
some smelly consequences to that. Egck oh, I can't stop
thinking about pooh water and I really want to news talk.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Zi.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Been distract myself by going back and watching the end
of the Chase. I only made it halfway through last
night and then I had to go to bed.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
The chase is on. I thought it'd be on it
between five and six. This is the New Zealand Chase.
About twenty minutes left in it. If you've run screaming
from the room because it was so bad, let us
know otherwise we'll mop up that conversation a little bit
later on. I'd love to know what you've thought of it.
It's kind of a weird one. It's filmed in Australia
(10:34):
and to be in it you had to be someone
who was a key we living in Australia, so it's
something of controves. I don't think to do many episodes,
like six or seven, so not many at all. But
if you watched it, wats like apparently quite a few
New Zealand questions. You could try some of those on
me of course as well. So yes, and I presume
(10:54):
this will be the best, but I presume they would
have screened the best one first, that's what they do
in TV. I don't know how many episodes there would be.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It's a four part special. That's the oddest thing about
all of this. It seems like a lot of time
and effort and money and resource for just four episodes
of it. Whatever happened to the sale of the Sentry
that was on every night? How come we can't do
proper game shows? You've got the Spelling Me one and
Tarts Master, and I think that's about it, isn't it
(11:27):
are the only ones that actually going to work anymore?
And then we'll just borrow Australia's borrowing of the UK's
game show for four episodes ridiculous. I am Willian Heart.
Actually Noah bloke who was in it last night. I
don't know how he got on, but I'll have to
(11:49):
go back and watch it. I won't. I'll just ask me.
And I want you to do the opposite. If somebody
asks you what happened on today's new stooks they've been
if you tell them, go and listen to yourself, and
that'll bump my numbers up a bit. And I'll see
that tomorrow. And whoever you tell.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Us talk is talking zid bean. For more from News
Talk st B, listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
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