May 27, 2025 • 11 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my little beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Billion Hart and we
are looking back Tuesday and Winston Peter's ruling out working
with Chris Hipkins. It feels like a selection year this year.
That waysing so many polls and har do you bad?
(00:47):
But anyway, it's not till next year, so don't panack everyone.
But anyway, he's roughed it out already. So it's got
people thinking about how our electoral system works again more
run it straight stuff. Most publicized thing that's not going
to happen since the last thing that was canceled. And
(01:13):
but first up, Yeah, the retail crime cops not doing
anything if it's under five hundred bucks. This is all
a bit of a mess, isn't that.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
It's one thing for us all to know that if
our wallet is nicked because we're stupidly left it on
a bus stoped seat, we know the police aren't going
to converge on the scene of the crime. All blues
and twos in their numbers. It is quite another thing
to know that a directive has been sent applying nationally
standardized threshold values when assessing theft and fraud. Losing five
(01:44):
hundred bucks worth of groceries and goods can have a
huge impact on a small business's weekly turnover. And I
sure as hell do not want to see losers walking
out of supermarkets with five hundred bucks worth of groceries
getting a free pass. You don't elect as send to
right government for that sort of carry on. Oh no,
please go ahead, No, we're too busy. No, you just
(02:06):
take that five hundred dollars worth of groceries walk on out.
That is not no, no, no, That was the very
thing that galvanized a significant number of voters to vote
send to write you may not be able to get
to every petty thief in the country. You know that.
I know that, the retailers know that, and the crims
(02:28):
sure as hell know that. But the messaging from police
has to be that they're going to jolly well try.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean, I keep bringing up the fact that I've
I've had over the years a couple of things stolen
offrom my front doorstep packages, both in excess of one
thousand dollars worth of stuff. Let's not get into why
there was something worth over one thousand dollars sitting on
my front doorstep. Obviously that's stupid. But anyway, one time
(02:59):
the police caught the person. I got the thing back.
Another time, even though through social media and stuff with
my security camera footage I'd identified the person who'd stolen
it and getting all that information to them, I never
heard from them again. So I don't know. Is it
(03:22):
just who you get on the day. Like with any
company anywhere, the police aren't really a company, are they?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
News talk ze been.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Anyway, what does Heather make of all this stuff?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
To the Prime Minister? I think, although I'm prepared to
cut him some slack on this, but the other two
I try to pretend that the memo was a mistake
and that's not going to happen. And the police are
going to turn up to all retail crime. No they're not.
It's simply not possible. On the numbers. There are more
than a million offenses every year. There are only ten
thousand police officers. They simply cannot investigate them all. They
(03:57):
cannot even turn up to them all. There are countless
examples of already of police not investigating stolen stuff worth
even more than five hundred dollars. I mean, there was
the case of the three thy six hundred dollars mountain
bike that the cops were told exactly where it was
and they didn't go and get it. So five hundred
dollars is probably not even accurate. Mark Mitchell and the
police boss have got a problem on their hands here
(04:19):
because it is clearly a shock to people to see
in writing that the cops are not going to turn
up for low level crime. But pretending today that the
cops will turn up is not a strategy because I
can tell you what the next crime that an officer
doesn't turn up to go straight to the front page
of where the Herald right, so we can all read
about it in its glory and it will prove that
(04:39):
the memo was right. After all. We're going to find
the truth out anyway. So when Mark Mitchell and the
Prime Minister and the police bosster all this damage control today,
I reckon a mayors pay to be honest about what's
really going on.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So if that's the resk, maybe the upshot of all
this is that it's petty and quotation Marks Prime will
be investigated more thoroughly from now on. We can only
hope Hu's talk sabban So Winston Peters, who is the
(05:14):
king of not telling anybody what he's thinking, what he's planning,
who he's going to side with in the lead up
to elections, has done He's not going to work with
christ Hippins ever. I mean, I guess that's until he
changes his mind obviously, So yeah, what do we think
about that?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
In twenty twenty three, Winston ruled out Labor before Chippy
definitively ruled out Winston. Remember that our Chippy has yet
to do the same for twenty twenty six, and he's
now missed his chance and any moral high ground that
went with it. Remember, Hipkins must appeal to a base
that despises the anti woke agenda that Winston pedals. This
(05:55):
year alone, he's labeled him a pale version of Donald Trump,
a conspiracy theorist, a spokesman for the tobacco lobby, you
name it, And Hipkins's failure to rule out working with
him kind of undermines the high horse that he canters
around the Parliament on his approaches. Stations now will sound
rather hollow. So it's interesting, isn't it Winston not just
(06:18):
for Chippy but for labor.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It is a hard no. Yeah, Like I say, I mean,
Winston's got form, hasn't he being random and doing what
you don't expect him to do and betraying the people
who follow him, And in spite of that, they still
follow him. So I mean, who knows what's really going
(06:41):
to happen next year, which means once again he'll probably
be holding the balance of power. And surely everybody, apart
from Winston's most ardent fans, surely everybody agrees that that's
not ideal having somebody with such a small proportion of
(07:01):
the vote being the kingmaker.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
What's wrong with the political systemanging to purely seats in
New Zealand and independence? So you have representatives in all
the regions and cities and et cetera. And the whole
of the beehive is filled wow with independence, And every
single law and piece of legislation that's voted on is
(07:29):
exactly like a conscience vote. So I mean, it's not
the policies that have put forward, are they not put
forward by bureaucrats and leaders of government departments? Anyway? So
I mean, yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
An interesting that's a really interesting idea, Mike. I wonder
how it would work. So what you're saying is, essentially
you have to be independent. So in every electorate you
have to run independently.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It can't be.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Organized by a party because one of the things I've
noticed with MMP is with First past the Post you
might hear what the MP from Dinedan South had to think,
and there might be a little bit of Argibargian people
looking after their particular electurate and the interests of their constituents.
But now with MMP, you just hear one opinion and
it makes the party. Each party has just one opinion.
(08:15):
So it's an interesting idea that that everyone will be independent.
Everything would be done like original Greek democracy where everything
was voted on.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah. Closer to that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Closer to that, I mean, it would be interesting. I'm
trying to get my head around that. How that would work.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What did the Greeks give it up?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, well, the.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Greeks was actually everyone got and that turned up and well,
I mean the Greeks gave it up. They got run
over by the Romans.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
They would do it yeah, yeah, that'd do great history
lesson there, good question whatever happened to the Greeks? And
you know a good answer there as well. The Romans
are what happened to the Greeks, So yeah, maybe their
(09:05):
system wasn't so good after all, if it the Romans
could just come along and run over them.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
A history a news talk z been right.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
We're back to Run it Straight, this thing where people
just run at each other hard as they can. The
discussion over whether it's a sport, whether it isn't a sport,
whether we should have it here, whether we shouldn't have
we given this a bit to publicity by now.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
It's not often in the timeline of something making the
headlines like these professionally organized Run It Straight competitions, which
are awful but have generated a huge amount of publicity,
very popular with young men in particular, big on social media,
big prize money up for grabs. It's not often that
(09:55):
you have something like this where where something comes along
and most of us don't think it is a good idea.
Everyone has an opinion on it. The warnings that someone
could die start to be said, and then so soon
afterwards that horror becomes reality and that is what's happened.
So thinking about all of this, I was wondering about
(10:19):
the lessons for parents. You know, if you think back,
particularly if you're a male, you think back to your
younger days and the risk taking behavior that you got
up to that that now old and wise, that you
think you know you dodged a bullet, or you think
you can't believe that you did it, and thank goodness,
(10:41):
no one got hurt, or maybe somebody did get hurt,
but thank goodness, it wasn't worse. I wonder what the
lessons are for us as parents about how to keep
our kids safe without going too far in the other direction.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's always the parents fault, isn't it. Well, the parents
are always responsible for everything, aren't they. Why can't we
be like you know, some of those science fiction movies
where children are just breeding, they don't actually have any parents,
and we can go on with our lives instead of
(11:19):
having them leach off us for decades. Have I revealed
too much? If I said too much? Do I sound
too frustrated? Then let's in just the podcast, not everything,
and we'll start it up again. The side of mar
I see.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
There used talking talks it beam For more from News
Talk said B. Listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk, sed be Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my little beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Billion Hart and we
are looking back Tuesday and Winston Peter's ruling out working
with Chris Hipkins. It feels like a selection year this year.
That waysing so many polls and har do you bad?
(00:47):
But anyway, it's not till next year, so don't panack everyone.
But anyway, he's roughed it out already. So it's got
people thinking about how our electoral system works again more
run it straight stuff. Most publicized thing that's not going
to happen since the last thing that was canceled. And
(01:13):
but first up, Yeah, the retail crime cops not doing
anything if it's under five hundred bucks. This is all
a bit of a mess, isn't that.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
It's one thing for us all to know that if
our wallet is nicked because we're stupidly left it on
a bus stoped seat, we know the police aren't going
to converge on the scene of the crime. All blues
and twos in their numbers. It is quite another thing
to know that a directive has been sent applying nationally
standardized threshold values when assessing theft and fraud. Losing five
(01:44):
hundred bucks worth of groceries and goods can have a
huge impact on a small business's weekly turnover. And I
sure as hell do not want to see losers walking
out of supermarkets with five hundred bucks worth of groceries
getting a free pass. You don't elect as send to
right government for that sort of carry on. Oh no,
please go ahead, No, we're too busy. No, you just
(02:06):
take that five hundred dollars worth of groceries walk on out.
That is not no, no, no, That was the very
thing that galvanized a significant number of voters to vote
send to write you may not be able to get
to every petty thief in the country. You know that.
I know that, the retailers know that, and the crims
(02:28):
sure as hell know that. But the messaging from police
has to be that they're going to jolly well try.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean, I keep bringing up the fact that I've
I've had over the years a couple of things stolen
offrom my front doorstep packages, both in excess of one
thousand dollars worth of stuff. Let's not get into why
there was something worth over one thousand dollars sitting on
my front doorstep. Obviously that's stupid. But anyway, one time
(02:59):
the police caught the person. I got the thing back.
Another time, even though through social media and stuff with
my security camera footage I'd identified the person who'd stolen
it and getting all that information to them, I never
heard from them again. So I don't know. Is it
(03:22):
just who you get on the day. Like with any
company anywhere, the police aren't really a company, are they?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
News talk ze been.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Anyway, what does Heather make of all this stuff?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
To the Prime Minister? I think, although I'm prepared to
cut him some slack on this, but the other two
I try to pretend that the memo was a mistake
and that's not going to happen. And the police are
going to turn up to all retail crime. No they're not.
It's simply not possible. On the numbers. There are more
than a million offenses every year. There are only ten
thousand police officers. They simply cannot investigate them all. They
(03:57):
cannot even turn up to them all. There are countless
examples of already of police not investigating stolen stuff worth
even more than five hundred dollars. I mean, there was
the case of the three thy six hundred dollars mountain
bike that the cops were told exactly where it was
and they didn't go and get it. So five hundred
dollars is probably not even accurate. Mark Mitchell and the
police boss have got a problem on their hands here
(04:19):
because it is clearly a shock to people to see
in writing that the cops are not going to turn
up for low level crime. But pretending today that the
cops will turn up is not a strategy because I
can tell you what the next crime that an officer
doesn't turn up to go straight to the front page
of where the Herald right, so we can all read
about it in its glory and it will prove that
(04:39):
the memo was right. After all. We're going to find
the truth out anyway. So when Mark Mitchell and the
Prime Minister and the police bosster all this damage control today,
I reckon a mayors pay to be honest about what's
really going on.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So if that's the resk, maybe the upshot of all
this is that it's petty and quotation Marks Prime will
be investigated more thoroughly from now on. We can only
hope Hu's talk sabban So Winston Peters, who is the
(05:14):
king of not telling anybody what he's thinking, what he's planning,
who he's going to side with in the lead up
to elections, has done He's not going to work with
christ Hippins ever. I mean, I guess that's until he
changes his mind obviously, So yeah, what do we think
about that?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
In twenty twenty three, Winston ruled out Labor before Chippy
definitively ruled out Winston. Remember that our Chippy has yet
to do the same for twenty twenty six, and he's
now missed his chance and any moral high ground that
went with it. Remember, Hipkins must appeal to a base
that despises the anti woke agenda that Winston pedals. This
(05:55):
year alone, he's labeled him a pale version of Donald Trump,
a conspiracy theorist, a spokesman for the tobacco lobby, you
name it, And Hipkins's failure to rule out working with
him kind of undermines the high horse that he canters
around the Parliament on his approaches. Stations now will sound
rather hollow. So it's interesting, isn't it Winston not just
(06:18):
for Chippy but for labor.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It is a hard no. Yeah, Like I say, I mean,
Winston's got form, hasn't he being random and doing what
you don't expect him to do and betraying the people
who follow him, And in spite of that, they still
follow him. So I mean, who knows what's really going
(06:41):
to happen next year, which means once again he'll probably
be holding the balance of power. And surely everybody, apart
from Winston's most ardent fans, surely everybody agrees that that's
not ideal having somebody with such a small proportion of
(07:01):
the vote being the kingmaker.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
What's wrong with the political systemanging to purely seats in
New Zealand and independence? So you have representatives in all
the regions and cities and et cetera. And the whole
of the beehive is filled wow with independence, And every
single law and piece of legislation that's voted on is
(07:29):
exactly like a conscience vote. So I mean, it's not
the policies that have put forward, are they not put
forward by bureaucrats and leaders of government departments? Anyway? So
I mean, yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
An interesting that's a really interesting idea, Mike. I wonder
how it would work. So what you're saying is, essentially
you have to be independent. So in every electorate you
have to run independently.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It can't be.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Organized by a party because one of the things I've
noticed with MMP is with First past the Post you
might hear what the MP from Dinedan South had to think,
and there might be a little bit of Argibargian people
looking after their particular electurate and the interests of their constituents.
But now with MMP, you just hear one opinion and
it makes the party. Each party has just one opinion.
(08:15):
So it's an interesting idea that that everyone will be independent.
Everything would be done like original Greek democracy where everything
was voted on.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah. Closer to that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Closer to that, I mean, it would be interesting. I'm
trying to get my head around that. How that would work.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What did the Greeks give it up?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, well, the.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Greeks was actually everyone got and that turned up and well,
I mean the Greeks gave it up. They got run
over by the Romans.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
They would do it yeah, yeah, that'd do great history
lesson there, good question whatever happened to the Greeks? And
you know a good answer there as well. The Romans
are what happened to the Greeks, So yeah, maybe their
(09:05):
system wasn't so good after all, if it the Romans
could just come along and run over them.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
A history a news talk z been right.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
We're back to Run it Straight, this thing where people
just run at each other hard as they can. The
discussion over whether it's a sport, whether it isn't a sport,
whether we should have it here, whether we shouldn't have
we given this a bit to publicity by now.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
It's not often in the timeline of something making the
headlines like these professionally organized Run It Straight competitions, which
are awful but have generated a huge amount of publicity,
very popular with young men in particular, big on social media,
big prize money up for grabs. It's not often that
(09:55):
you have something like this where where something comes along
and most of us don't think it is a good idea.
Everyone has an opinion on it. The warnings that someone
could die start to be said, and then so soon
afterwards that horror becomes reality and that is what's happened.
So thinking about all of this, I was wondering about
(10:19):
the lessons for parents. You know, if you think back,
particularly if you're a male, you think back to your
younger days and the risk taking behavior that you got
up to that that now old and wise, that you
think you know you dodged a bullet, or you think
you can't believe that you did it, and thank goodness,
(10:41):
no one got hurt, or maybe somebody did get hurt,
but thank goodness, it wasn't worse. I wonder what the
lessons are for us as parents about how to keep
our kids safe without going too far in the other direction.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's always the parents fault, isn't it. Well, the parents
are always responsible for everything, aren't they. Why can't we
be like you know, some of those science fiction movies
where children are just breeding, they don't actually have any parents,
and we can go on with our lives instead of
(11:19):
having them leach off us for decades. Have I revealed
too much? If I said too much? Do I sound
too frustrated? Then let's in just the podcast, not everything,
and we'll start it up again. The side of mar
I see.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
There used talking talks it beam For more from News
Talk said B. Listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
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