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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Friday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Thursday. We need to talk about
ACC leadies because they're going to be up because apparently
they haven't been up enough and ACC can't afford to
see the yas anymore. The education system, we just keep
(00:50):
changing it all the time. Roman's had enough before any
of that. A lot of fallout from the US presidential debate,
isn't there. We just seem to be more obsessed with
American politics than ever before, don't we? What's that all about?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Listen to the most left progressive political leader in America
right now boasting about fracking.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I will not band fracking. I have not band fracking
as Vice President United States, and in fact, I was
the tie breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act which
opened new leases for fracking.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And here Karmena Harris boat is about record domestic oil production.
While she and Biden are in charge.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production
in history.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Drill, baby, drill. Meanwhile, we're basking in nuclear free moment
bliss down here at the bottom of the Pacific. Aren't
we sending manufacturing jobs and regional jobs off to the slaughterhouse?
And yes, climate change is real, and yes we have
to do something about it, But why would we cut
our noses off to spite our faces when the most
(02:00):
progressive climate conscious contender to run the world's largest economy
and biggest user of oil is boasting about drilling for it.
Sitting watching that debate yesterday, it wasn't Trump that I
thought looked stupid. It was us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And this is ultimately the problem, isn't it? And I
completely disagree with Ryan by the way. I don't think
we're stupid for trying to do the right thing, but
it's it's not commercially viable to do the right thing
when economy is the size of the US suggests ignoring
(02:40):
the impending environmental doom. Nobody wants to lose money in
order to save the planet. And that's your issue News
talk Has it been anyway? It wasn't the only part
of the debate that caught everybody's attention. Of course, still
(03:03):
confused as to why New Zealanders care.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I want to give you my answer to a question
somebody today. This is post the debate yesterday, the presidential debate.
Why would anyone vote for someone as dumb as Donald Trump?
That's the question that was asked of me, And they
asked me specifically in relation to him saying that in Springfield, Ohio,
they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, they're eating
the pets of the people that live there. Now, is
(03:28):
thisly not a hard one for me to answer for you?
I reckon it's pretty simple. There are Trump supporters, not
all of them, but some of them, I think quite
a few of them who don't think that he's wrong.
And the reason I think that is because, in part
what got me thinking about this was yesterday when we
were talking about that particular comment on the show, we
got so many texts from listeners saying, Donald Trump's right,
(03:50):
don't know what's the problem. Here's a link to the footage,
here's a link to some proof online. Everyone knows it's happening.
It's just the MSM who don't report it. What's happened
in the US, and we are absolutely seeing this happen
here as well, is that trust in what legacy media
report is now so low that when the media fact
checks someone like Donald Trump, there are people out there
(04:11):
who believe that the media are the ones who are wrong,
and actually people like Donald Trump are right. And what
these people do is they go on the Internet to
do their own research and they find just enough proof
out there to make them believe that, yeah, maybe he's
right in the pets case, for example, if you go
on and do your own research, you will find that
there are reports that someone in Springfield had in fact
(04:32):
posted on a private Springfield Facebook page that their daughter's
friend's cat had been butchered and strung up by the
Haitian neighbors. And that particular report from that Facebook page
has done the rounds and it's been reported as fact
by some and as a result, that is enough for
Donald Trump to be right. That is why Donald Trump
keeps on repeating the claim that there are some states
(04:52):
that allow abortions at full term, because there is just
enough information out there on the Internet for some people
to believe him when he says that, believe he's right
and ignore the media when the media say he's wrong.
Now that should answer your question if you wonder why
anyone is dumb enough to support Trump because they simply
don't trust the media anymore and the Internet provides heaps
of alternative facts. Do you know what else is important here?
(05:15):
The media coverage of that comment in the last twenty
four hours is basically making fun of him. Is not
going to hurt him, because we expect Donald Trump to
say stupid things with this guy's been around long enough,
We've got used to him. It doesn't hurt him when
he says stupid things. What are we talking about today?
Are we talking about Kamala Harris's safe and pretty regular
politician performance in the debate? No, we're not. We're talking
(05:36):
about Donald Trump and what he said. And that is
how he won the twenty sixteen election by outraging the
media so much that they gave him hours of free publicity.
And what are they doing this time around exactly the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So, yes, he's perhaps history's most accomplished proponent of the
Gish gallop technique, which is where you try to swamp
your opponent with the sheer number of arguments you make
in a debate, And so it doesn't really matter whether
(06:13):
they're right, whether they're wrong, whether they're based in fact
or in fiction. You just keep saying random stuff and
your opponent can't get a word in. Basically, and as
we've seen before, it's effective, and so why wouldn't he
(06:33):
double down? What can you do right now for something
that actually is happening here in New Zealand and effects
New Zealand directly, ACC levies are going to have to
go up because apparently one in five of us are
(06:55):
on ACC and that's expensive.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And they met with the smashed you know, but again
the ACC ended after I think it was about six visits.
I've been paying for them ever since I paid for
my own acupuncture. I didn't need any taxis. But you know,
(07:18):
we have used it. It is a good system when
it works. You know, you take responsibility for your own
recovery as well. You don't just lie there lumpingly and
expect the taxpayer and the government to fix yourself. You know,
you do do your own rehab and try and get
yourself better. Everybody says, oh, it's the envy of the world.
(07:40):
You're acc It's just wonderful, is it? Still? There's a
one billion dollar for shortfall and you know, a lot
of that is the damaged babies that actually survive the
brutal beatings, but they are left needing lifelong care. So
a fund has been set aside for their lifelong needs,
(08:00):
which sickens me when it comes to ACC. If you
have had recent dealings with them, I would love to
get your viewpoint. You cannot get blood out of a dot.
I don't know how much more they expect us to
pay for everything, for all of the everything, for the rates,
for the insurance, for the ACC, for the food, for
the doctor's visits, for the everything. You know, there comes
(08:24):
a point where you just cannot pay any more. But
as ACC serving you, well, I would have to put
up my hand and I can do that now, and
so can you and say it has it has worked
well provided you do your bit.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Two.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
It's got to be a fifty to fifty partnership, I think.
But can they really justify asking for more and levies
when they have just wasted seventy four million dollars on
a failed restructure. I'm with Matt Doocy, lift your own
game before you take money out of our pockets.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, let's I could take a little look about how
we do things with ACC. For example, I'd like a
three strikes rule or something similar engine for mountain bikers
because they just seem to be I don't know, do
you know any mountain bikers, In fact, cyclists. I'm talking
(09:19):
about recreational cyclists generally, the percentage of them that seem
to be constantly injured recovering because they've come off their bikes.
You know, this is not something that they have to do.
They're choosing to do it. I reckon you get one,
maybe two accidents paid for, and then after that, if
(09:39):
you keep doing it, you're on your own. And I
think there's quite a few activities like that, to be honest.
If insurance companies can do it, I reckon acc can
do it, assess the risk and once it gets too risky. Sorry,
news talk, Has it been your harsh today? When yeah, man,
(10:02):
I am, I am hard balled today. We're going to
finish up here with education. It's a fun way to
end the week, isn't it. So Yeah, there's a shake
up going on. Of course, isn't there always a shake
up going on?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
There's been more changed in the past twenty years than
ever before, rapid change. We're going to do this. This
is exactly what will work. We're putting this in place,
and then a few years later, Ah, yeah, that's not working.
I will try something else. Isn't there a model that
could be emulated that's been successfully used overseas? Do we
have to keep reinventing the blackboard in order to make
(10:46):
things work? Surely we can just copy a country that
has better success than we do, especially with the basic curriculum,
the basic subjects in May. A few stats for you
in May, the national pass rates for reading in NCA
fifty eight point seven percent, writing was fifty five point
seven and numerously forty five points Between fifty one thousand
(11:10):
and fifty five thousand teens took part in each test.
And that word corequisite, which was mentioning before corequisite. Basically
in education, circles means that you have to pass. So
our rates of passing are terrible and children must be
feeling that what does it mean for them? What does
it mean for your children if they are failing exams?
(11:30):
And how are you helping them? And teachers are you going?
You have no idea what you're talking about. Roman. The
pressure of the ministry is putting on us is exactly
what we need or are you thinking I might just
go and get a job Pack and Save because I
can't be bothered.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
This is just too hard.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
People understand how hard it is to work at Pack
and Save. I certainly I know I've got my favorite
checkout operators. And then there are the ones who feel
like they need to examine and comment on every single
item that they're scanning. You don't want to end up
in that queue. Let's tell you what I have missed
(12:06):
the point of what Roman was on about here. I
am Glen Hart. That has been news towards it being
for Friday and the week. We'll see you back here
again with a weekend edition on Monday. See if I
can miss some more points for you.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Then News Talk Talking zaid Bean for more from News
Talk said B. Listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk SEDB You Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Friday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Thursday. We need to talk about
ACC leadies because they're going to be up because apparently
they haven't been up enough and ACC can't afford to
see the yas anymore. The education system, we just keep
(00:50):
changing it all the time. Roman's had enough before any
of that. A lot of fallout from the US presidential debate,
isn't there. We just seem to be more obsessed with
American politics than ever before, don't we? What's that all about?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Listen to the most left progressive political leader in America
right now boasting about fracking.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I will not band fracking. I have not band fracking
as Vice President United States, and in fact, I was
the tie breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act which
opened new leases for fracking.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And here Karmena Harris boat is about record domestic oil production.
While she and Biden are in charge.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
We have had the largest increase in domestic oil production
in history.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Drill, baby, drill. Meanwhile, we're basking in nuclear free moment
bliss down here at the bottom of the Pacific. Aren't
we sending manufacturing jobs and regional jobs off to the slaughterhouse?
And yes, climate change is real, and yes we have
to do something about it, But why would we cut
our noses off to spite our faces when the most
(02:00):
progressive climate conscious contender to run the world's largest economy
and biggest user of oil is boasting about drilling for it.
Sitting watching that debate yesterday, it wasn't Trump that I
thought looked stupid. It was us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And this is ultimately the problem, isn't it? And I
completely disagree with Ryan by the way. I don't think
we're stupid for trying to do the right thing, but
it's it's not commercially viable to do the right thing
when economy is the size of the US suggests ignoring
(02:40):
the impending environmental doom. Nobody wants to lose money in
order to save the planet. And that's your issue News
talk Has it been anyway? It wasn't the only part
of the debate that caught everybody's attention. Of course, still
(03:03):
confused as to why New Zealanders care.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I want to give you my answer to a question
somebody today. This is post the debate yesterday, the presidential debate.
Why would anyone vote for someone as dumb as Donald Trump?
That's the question that was asked of me, And they
asked me specifically in relation to him saying that in Springfield, Ohio,
they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, they're eating
the pets of the people that live there. Now, is
(03:28):
thisly not a hard one for me to answer for you?
I reckon it's pretty simple. There are Trump supporters, not
all of them, but some of them, I think quite
a few of them who don't think that he's wrong.
And the reason I think that is because, in part
what got me thinking about this was yesterday when we
were talking about that particular comment on the show, we
got so many texts from listeners saying, Donald Trump's right,
(03:50):
don't know what's the problem. Here's a link to the footage,
here's a link to some proof online. Everyone knows it's happening.
It's just the MSM who don't report it. What's happened
in the US, and we are absolutely seeing this happen
here as well, is that trust in what legacy media
report is now so low that when the media fact
checks someone like Donald Trump, there are people out there
(04:11):
who believe that the media are the ones who are wrong,
and actually people like Donald Trump are right. And what
these people do is they go on the Internet to
do their own research and they find just enough proof
out there to make them believe that, yeah, maybe he's
right in the pets case, for example, if you go
on and do your own research, you will find that
there are reports that someone in Springfield had in fact
(04:32):
posted on a private Springfield Facebook page that their daughter's
friend's cat had been butchered and strung up by the
Haitian neighbors. And that particular report from that Facebook page
has done the rounds and it's been reported as fact
by some and as a result, that is enough for
Donald Trump to be right. That is why Donald Trump
keeps on repeating the claim that there are some states
(04:52):
that allow abortions at full term, because there is just
enough information out there on the Internet for some people
to believe him when he says that, believe he's right
and ignore the media when the media say he's wrong.
Now that should answer your question if you wonder why
anyone is dumb enough to support Trump because they simply
don't trust the media anymore and the Internet provides heaps
of alternative facts. Do you know what else is important here?
(05:15):
The media coverage of that comment in the last twenty
four hours is basically making fun of him. Is not
going to hurt him, because we expect Donald Trump to
say stupid things with this guy's been around long enough,
We've got used to him. It doesn't hurt him when
he says stupid things. What are we talking about today?
Are we talking about Kamala Harris's safe and pretty regular
politician performance in the debate? No, we're not. We're talking
(05:36):
about Donald Trump and what he said. And that is
how he won the twenty sixteen election by outraging the
media so much that they gave him hours of free publicity.
And what are they doing this time around exactly the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So, yes, he's perhaps history's most accomplished proponent of the
Gish gallop technique, which is where you try to swamp
your opponent with the sheer number of arguments you make
in a debate, And so it doesn't really matter whether
(06:13):
they're right, whether they're wrong, whether they're based in fact
or in fiction. You just keep saying random stuff and
your opponent can't get a word in. Basically, and as
we've seen before, it's effective, and so why wouldn't he
(06:33):
double down? What can you do right now for something
that actually is happening here in New Zealand and effects
New Zealand directly, ACC levies are going to have to
go up because apparently one in five of us are
(06:55):
on ACC and that's expensive.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And they met with the smashed you know, but again
the ACC ended after I think it was about six visits.
I've been paying for them ever since I paid for
my own acupuncture. I didn't need any taxis. But you know,
(07:18):
we have used it. It is a good system when
it works. You know, you take responsibility for your own
recovery as well. You don't just lie there lumpingly and
expect the taxpayer and the government to fix yourself. You know,
you do do your own rehab and try and get
yourself better. Everybody says, oh, it's the envy of the world.
(07:40):
You're acc It's just wonderful, is it? Still? There's a
one billion dollar for shortfall and you know, a lot
of that is the damaged babies that actually survive the
brutal beatings, but they are left needing lifelong care. So
a fund has been set aside for their lifelong needs,
(08:00):
which sickens me when it comes to ACC. If you
have had recent dealings with them, I would love to
get your viewpoint. You cannot get blood out of a dot.
I don't know how much more they expect us to
pay for everything, for all of the everything, for the rates,
for the insurance, for the ACC, for the food, for
the doctor's visits, for the everything. You know, there comes
(08:24):
a point where you just cannot pay any more. But
as ACC serving you, well, I would have to put
up my hand and I can do that now, and
so can you and say it has it has worked
well provided you do your bit.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Two.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
It's got to be a fifty to fifty partnership, I think.
But can they really justify asking for more and levies
when they have just wasted seventy four million dollars on
a failed restructure. I'm with Matt Doocy, lift your own
game before you take money out of our pockets.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, let's I could take a little look about how
we do things with ACC. For example, I'd like a
three strikes rule or something similar engine for mountain bikers
because they just seem to be I don't know, do
you know any mountain bikers, In fact, cyclists. I'm talking
(09:19):
about recreational cyclists generally, the percentage of them that seem
to be constantly injured recovering because they've come off their bikes.
You know, this is not something that they have to do.
They're choosing to do it. I reckon you get one,
maybe two accidents paid for, and then after that, if
(09:39):
you keep doing it, you're on your own. And I
think there's quite a few activities like that, to be honest.
If insurance companies can do it, I reckon acc can
do it, assess the risk and once it gets too risky. Sorry,
news talk, Has it been your harsh today? When yeah, man,
(10:02):
I am, I am hard balled today. We're going to
finish up here with education. It's a fun way to
end the week, isn't it. So Yeah, there's a shake
up going on. Of course, isn't there always a shake
up going on?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
There's been more changed in the past twenty years than
ever before, rapid change. We're going to do this. This
is exactly what will work. We're putting this in place,
and then a few years later, Ah, yeah, that's not working.
I will try something else. Isn't there a model that
could be emulated that's been successfully used overseas? Do we
have to keep reinventing the blackboard in order to make
(10:46):
things work? Surely we can just copy a country that
has better success than we do, especially with the basic curriculum,
the basic subjects in May. A few stats for you
in May, the national pass rates for reading in NCA
fifty eight point seven percent, writing was fifty five point
seven and numerously forty five points Between fifty one thousand
(11:10):
and fifty five thousand teens took part in each test.
And that word corequisite, which was mentioning before corequisite. Basically
in education, circles means that you have to pass. So
our rates of passing are terrible and children must be
feeling that what does it mean for them? What does
it mean for your children if they are failing exams?
(11:30):
And how are you helping them? And teachers are you going?
You have no idea what you're talking about. Roman. The
pressure of the ministry is putting on us is exactly
what we need or are you thinking I might just
go and get a job Pack and Save because I
can't be bothered.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
This is just too hard.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
People understand how hard it is to work at Pack
and Save. I certainly I know I've got my favorite
checkout operators. And then there are the ones who feel
like they need to examine and comment on every single
item that they're scanning. You don't want to end up
in that queue. Let's tell you what I have missed
(12:06):
the point of what Roman was on about here. I
am Glen Hart. That has been news towards it being
for Friday and the week. We'll see you back here
again with a weekend edition on Monday. See if I
can miss some more points for you.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Then News Talk Talking zaid Bean for more from News
Talk said B. Listen live on air or online, and
keep our shows with you wherever you go with our
podcasts on iHeartRadio
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