August 31, 2025 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) We're Being Run By a Bunch of Headless Chooks/A Trolley Full of Broccoli/Rugby Is Not Safer than Soccer/Paperback Double Feature
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean the
week in edition, first of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday. I
think that's our weekends work. We've got excellency competition now
thanks to all of Nicola Willison's efforts, So get out
there and get all your cheap stuff. The awareness of
(00:47):
CTE has gone through the roof unfortunately over the last week.
We're going to get into that, probably not before time.
And then we've got a sort of a double paperback
feature for you with two of the world's most successful
(01:09):
fiction authors really, Linda la Plant and Lee Child. So
that's a cool way to finish the podcast. It started
by looking back at what the RBNZ it's been up to.
Is it in crisis?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And as I said on recovering the fact that so
many of us, not just in the media but in
society were so shocked by the results, including Donald Trump.
I'll remind you, I just think it shows that I
and the rest of the news media covering that election
had done a massively insufficient job of reflecting the scale
(01:46):
of the anger and the dissatisfaction with the status quo
in the US. I mean that election changed the world,
and ultimately I hope that reflecting on my surprise at
the result will make me more skeptical of conventional wisdom
and better at my job today. The thing is humans
are fallible a we all make mistakes, we all do.
(02:08):
But the Reserve Bank episode demonstrates that the best thing
a public institution can do to protect its reputation is
not try and protect its reputation. Just admit when you
got things wrong, Admit when things are a bit awkward,
Admit things that make you look bad. Learn lessons the
hard way. Convince the public that you have nothing to
(02:31):
hide by showing us you have nothing to hide.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It's all very strange. There is going to be a
lot of people working at the RBN said, and I
certainly don't understand I'm saying to sound like Donald Trump now,
And when he went to the equivalent of it, he said,
I don't know what these people do all day. They
come out, give a rate, an ounce a rate once
a month, and then you never hear from them again.
(02:55):
I'm sure there's other stuff going on.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I'm just not quite sure what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
News talk Ze been right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So this ongoing effort to try and get i mean
essentially to try and get markets to stop making so
much money and by bringing their brices down, is it that?
I think that's is that what we're.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Trying to do?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Hey, what did you make of the announcement from Nikola?
Wellis earlier or last week?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I guess we can say, yeah, this little gets to
the stage of, you know, deja vu. I think I've
heard all this before. The problem we have is that
the New Zealand we've got a rebad habit of solving
the wrong problems. And you know what Nickola is talking about,
you know, a good idea to speed up the resource
(03:41):
consents and that sort of thing, but the damage has
already been done. We went through a couple of decades
when the Duopoli bought up all the land that was
available all over the country that might be suitable for
a supermarket development and land banked it. In otherwids, they
simply bought it and put it out to pass to
doing nothing, or sold used cars on it, or you know,
(04:05):
had vaight stores their tenants and whatever specific purpose of
making sure that no new intlance could come into the
market to compete with them. Now you know that would
never have been allowed to happen in the first place.
But the problem is simply reversing that situation now will
not suddenly make this market attractive for new entrants. The
(04:27):
key problems, and a lot of this comes out in
the comments commissions players report, it is that the wholesale
side of the industry has been completely tied up by
the retailers. So that's why you see your corn a
dairy owner dropping down back and save instead of them
instead of buying through the conventional wholesale system, so they're
(04:47):
paying retail prices and then having to put a markup
on that.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It is three strangers that I said just this week.
This last week, I was it the supermarket. There was
somebody with an entire trolley load of broccoli, and I
was thinking, it doesn't matter how much you're into brocoli,
that's too much broccol And I assume that there was
somebody with a shop somewhere that sells broccoli, and that
(05:12):
was the cheapest place that they could find it at Peckins.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's very odd.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I don't think it is supposed to be that work.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Talk sib right.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I feel like we're having a sort of an awakening
at the moment, much the same way that American football
has had for a while now around CTE, especially following
the death of Shane Christie last week. Here's a bit
more of that with Piney and his guests Alex Popham,
(05:42):
He's from Wales.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
How did you hear of the death of Shane Christie?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Well, I woke up on Wednesday morning with messages from
Carl Human and yeah, just rung him straight away. It's
been a very tough week and yeah, feel pretty numb
if I'm mist.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
With all of this, and.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
Very very hard.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
As I say, you've been a vocal advocate for greater
awareness around rugby related head injuries. I'm sure as you
say when you heard from Carl Hayman, I'm sure that
wasn't the only message you've received. What have the last
few days been like for you?
Speaker 8 (06:25):
Yeah, it's been really tough and just just hearing all
the and reading all the lover and support for Shane.
It's just such a stop myself from swearing. But I'm
just angry with this situation still still carrying on. He
was such a eloquent guy speaking. He spoke softly, but
(06:47):
he spoke with real meaning and what's gone on with
him over the last few years and putting this message
out there, and I really think it comes to its
head where three weeks ago, four weeks ago, he released
the recording of the CEO Rob nick All of the
(07:08):
Players Association, who's supposed to be there to look after
the player's gas light in this situation, and downplaying the
seriousness of it. He was hoping that would be picked
up that recording of telling the current players that it's
down to the alcohol of the boys that are drinking
(07:30):
too many drugs, the lifestyle and all that rubbish and
really and then turning around and saying that rugby is
safer than soccer.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's just a load of rubbish.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It is a bit weird, isn't it. Then we sit
there watching context warts like this, and when is a
mess of bone crunching hit on somebody, the commentators go
it's a.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Huge hit, and we all go rah the crowds.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And impact. What's actually happening there is probably that the
prison's lives being short and dramatically makes you think, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It the city?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
All right, let's get into our reading corner if you like,
because we're going to finish that with a couple of
very successful authors, starting with Lindila Planet.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I think you've pinned more than more than fifty books now,
and with all the stories you've told over the years,
you have for us a new lead character, tell us
about scene of the crime and Detective Jessica Russell.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Well, you know, it's quite difficult when you actually are
slightly pressurized to bring in a new character and even
more slightly pressurized to make her a woman. And you know,
I get sick to death of people saying you only
write strong women, because I don't only write strong women.
(08:54):
I write a lot of fabulous men. But anyway, what
happened when I do this podcast you see, which is
called Listening to the Dead, and it's me meeting all
top forensic scientists, anyone connected to crime. And one of
(09:14):
the podcasts they had this incredible lady come in and
her name is Patricia Wiltsher.
Speaker 10 (09:21):
She's very quiet, sort of to describe her, she really
does look like a very very pleasant aunt, very very
quietly spoken.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
She is lethal this woman. I mean, she is a
botanist and has been called in to some of the
most horrific murders. And I'll give you an example of
this little quiet voice when she said one murder was
very interesting because they didn't know where the body had
(09:57):
been moved or come from. She was able to say,
you need to look for a close proximity of a
garden that has an apple and a pear tree. The
other thing too, you will find two not large small bonfires,
one using barbecue coals, another one with sticks. And my god,
(10:23):
they found exactly that location.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So there you go. These ideas aren't just coming out
of thin air. There's a bit of a method to
Lindala Plant's madness.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Anyway, news talk Z been what about with Lee Child?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Surely he's got some kind of magic formula or does
he just sit there and write.
Speaker 11 (10:43):
You sort of describe as the success and as it
builds and things in the first book sold solid numbers
and the contracts rolled in. When do you think the
books skyrocketed? And why was it bad Luck and Trouble
being the first number one in the US? Or was
sort of an accumulation of the books growing in populate popularity.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It was a global thing that happened at different times,
different places, and I found that really fascinating how some countries,
some culture has just really grabbed it right from the beginning.
And you know, New Zealand was actually the very first.
New Zealand is the world capital of reach of madness
because I think the book number three got to number
(11:27):
one in New Zealand and it's like everybody buys a copy.
Probably the sheet buy a copy too. I mean, it's
fantastic for me in New Zealand. I just wish it
had a much bigger population.
Speaker 11 (11:40):
Do you think in all that today has the luxury
of letting their books, you know, slowly become popular or
do you think they need hurts straight away?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Oh yeah, I mean it is so different now. I think,
I say in this new book that I started out
in the Jurassic era of publishing. I mean it was
a million years ago in terms of how it's developed.
And I had in various in America. In Britain it
was eight books or nine books even before I became
(12:16):
a reliable number one bestseller, and then probably another five
years before I became a kind of household name. And
that is a long term investment from everybody concerned. You know,
the publisher loses money the first many years and then
reaps the benefit later. Your agent works like crazy at
(12:37):
the beginning for very small deals few and far between,
and the investment used to be five years or even
ten years. And now you're right, you've got to that's
never going to happen again. You know, you need, you
need to have some kind of success within a couple
of books, and if they are massive hits, all the better.
(13:00):
But that is so rare interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I just think here, listened to both on the Laplane
and Lee caldb even they got both got cool distinctive voices.
You listen to them and you think, oh, yeah, I
recognize that person straight away. You know, Old, what's the
name who writes the You know that's what you think,
isn't it? I am bed Heart, I'm old what's the
name who does these podcasts? If you like this one,
(13:25):
check out the rewrap that's like this, but more specifically
about what Mike Hoskin has been up to. Otherwise, I'll
see you back here with this one tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Tell your friends us Talk Talks. It been.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
For more from news Talk, said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Used Talk said B Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean the
week in edition, first of yesterday's news. I am Glen Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday. I
think that's our weekends work. We've got excellency competition now
thanks to all of Nicola Willison's efforts, So get out
there and get all your cheap stuff. The awareness of
(00:47):
CTE has gone through the roof unfortunately over the last week.
We're going to get into that, probably not before time.
And then we've got a sort of a double paperback
feature for you with two of the world's most successful
(01:09):
fiction authors really, Linda la Plant and Lee Child. So
that's a cool way to finish the podcast. It started
by looking back at what the RBNZ it's been up to.
Is it in crisis?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And as I said on recovering the fact that so
many of us, not just in the media but in
society were so shocked by the results, including Donald Trump.
I'll remind you, I just think it shows that I
and the rest of the news media covering that election
had done a massively insufficient job of reflecting the scale
(01:46):
of the anger and the dissatisfaction with the status quo
in the US. I mean that election changed the world,
and ultimately I hope that reflecting on my surprise at
the result will make me more skeptical of conventional wisdom
and better at my job today. The thing is humans
are fallible a we all make mistakes, we all do.
(02:08):
But the Reserve Bank episode demonstrates that the best thing
a public institution can do to protect its reputation is
not try and protect its reputation. Just admit when you
got things wrong, Admit when things are a bit awkward,
Admit things that make you look bad. Learn lessons the
hard way. Convince the public that you have nothing to
(02:31):
hide by showing us you have nothing to hide.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It's all very strange. There is going to be a
lot of people working at the RBN said, and I
certainly don't understand I'm saying to sound like Donald Trump now,
And when he went to the equivalent of it, he said,
I don't know what these people do all day. They
come out, give a rate, an ounce a rate once
a month, and then you never hear from them again.
(02:55):
I'm sure there's other stuff going on.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I'm just not quite sure what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
News talk Ze been right.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So this ongoing effort to try and get i mean
essentially to try and get markets to stop making so
much money and by bringing their brices down, is it that?
I think that's is that what we're.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Trying to do?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Hey, what did you make of the announcement from Nikola?
Wellis earlier or last week?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I guess we can say, yeah, this little gets to
the stage of, you know, deja vu. I think I've
heard all this before. The problem we have is that
the New Zealand we've got a rebad habit of solving
the wrong problems. And you know what Nickola is talking about,
you know, a good idea to speed up the resource
(03:41):
consents and that sort of thing, but the damage has
already been done. We went through a couple of decades
when the Duopoli bought up all the land that was
available all over the country that might be suitable for
a supermarket development and land banked it. In otherwids, they
simply bought it and put it out to pass to
doing nothing, or sold used cars on it, or you know,
(04:05):
had vaight stores their tenants and whatever specific purpose of
making sure that no new intlance could come into the
market to compete with them. Now you know that would
never have been allowed to happen in the first place.
But the problem is simply reversing that situation now will
not suddenly make this market attractive for new entrants. The
(04:27):
key problems, and a lot of this comes out in
the comments commissions players report, it is that the wholesale
side of the industry has been completely tied up by
the retailers. So that's why you see your corn a
dairy owner dropping down back and save instead of them
instead of buying through the conventional wholesale system, so they're
(04:47):
paying retail prices and then having to put a markup
on that.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It is three strangers that I said just this week.
This last week, I was it the supermarket. There was
somebody with an entire trolley load of broccoli, and I
was thinking, it doesn't matter how much you're into brocoli,
that's too much broccol And I assume that there was
somebody with a shop somewhere that sells broccoli, and that
(05:12):
was the cheapest place that they could find it at Peckins.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's very odd.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I don't think it is supposed to be that work.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Talk sib right.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I feel like we're having a sort of an awakening
at the moment, much the same way that American football
has had for a while now around CTE, especially following
the death of Shane Christie last week. Here's a bit
more of that with Piney and his guests Alex Popham,
(05:42):
He's from Wales.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
How did you hear of the death of Shane Christie?
Speaker 8 (05:48):
Well, I woke up on Wednesday morning with messages from
Carl Human and yeah, just rung him straight away. It's
been a very tough week and yeah, feel pretty numb
if I'm mist.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
With all of this, and.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
Very very hard.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
As I say, you've been a vocal advocate for greater
awareness around rugby related head injuries. I'm sure as you
say when you heard from Carl Hayman, I'm sure that
wasn't the only message you've received. What have the last
few days been like for you?
Speaker 8 (06:25):
Yeah, it's been really tough and just just hearing all
the and reading all the lover and support for Shane.
It's just such a stop myself from swearing. But I'm
just angry with this situation still still carrying on. He
was such a eloquent guy speaking. He spoke softly, but
(06:47):
he spoke with real meaning and what's gone on with
him over the last few years and putting this message
out there, and I really think it comes to its
head where three weeks ago, four weeks ago, he released
the recording of the CEO Rob nick All of the
(07:08):
Players Association, who's supposed to be there to look after
the player's gas light in this situation, and downplaying the
seriousness of it. He was hoping that would be picked
up that recording of telling the current players that it's
down to the alcohol of the boys that are drinking
(07:30):
too many drugs, the lifestyle and all that rubbish and
really and then turning around and saying that rugby is
safer than soccer.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's just a load of rubbish.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It is a bit weird, isn't it. Then we sit
there watching context warts like this, and when is a
mess of bone crunching hit on somebody, the commentators go
it's a.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Huge hit, and we all go rah the crowds.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And impact. What's actually happening there is probably that the
prison's lives being short and dramatically makes you think, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It the city?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
All right, let's get into our reading corner if you like,
because we're going to finish that with a couple of
very successful authors, starting with Lindila Planet.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I think you've pinned more than more than fifty books now,
and with all the stories you've told over the years,
you have for us a new lead character, tell us
about scene of the crime and Detective Jessica Russell.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
Well, you know, it's quite difficult when you actually are
slightly pressurized to bring in a new character and even
more slightly pressurized to make her a woman. And you know,
I get sick to death of people saying you only
write strong women, because I don't only write strong women.
(08:54):
I write a lot of fabulous men. But anyway, what
happened when I do this podcast you see, which is
called Listening to the Dead, and it's me meeting all
top forensic scientists, anyone connected to crime. And one of
(09:14):
the podcasts they had this incredible lady come in and
her name is Patricia Wiltsher.
Speaker 10 (09:21):
She's very quiet, sort of to describe her, she really
does look like a very very pleasant aunt, very very
quietly spoken.
Speaker 9 (09:34):
She is lethal this woman. I mean, she is a
botanist and has been called in to some of the
most horrific murders. And I'll give you an example of
this little quiet voice when she said one murder was
very interesting because they didn't know where the body had
(09:57):
been moved or come from. She was able to say,
you need to look for a close proximity of a
garden that has an apple and a pear tree. The
other thing too, you will find two not large small bonfires,
one using barbecue coals, another one with sticks. And my god,
(10:23):
they found exactly that location.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So there you go. These ideas aren't just coming out
of thin air. There's a bit of a method to
Lindala Plant's madness.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Anyway, news talk Z been what about with Lee Child?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Surely he's got some kind of magic formula or does
he just sit there and write.
Speaker 11 (10:43):
You sort of describe as the success and as it
builds and things in the first book sold solid numbers
and the contracts rolled in. When do you think the
books skyrocketed? And why was it bad Luck and Trouble
being the first number one in the US? Or was
sort of an accumulation of the books growing in populate popularity.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
It was a global thing that happened at different times,
different places, and I found that really fascinating how some countries,
some culture has just really grabbed it right from the beginning.
And you know, New Zealand was actually the very first.
New Zealand is the world capital of reach of madness
because I think the book number three got to number
(11:27):
one in New Zealand and it's like everybody buys a copy.
Probably the sheet buy a copy too. I mean, it's
fantastic for me in New Zealand. I just wish it
had a much bigger population.
Speaker 11 (11:40):
Do you think in all that today has the luxury
of letting their books, you know, slowly become popular or
do you think they need hurts straight away?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Oh yeah, I mean it is so different now. I think,
I say in this new book that I started out
in the Jurassic era of publishing. I mean it was
a million years ago in terms of how it's developed.
And I had in various in America. In Britain it
was eight books or nine books even before I became
(12:16):
a reliable number one bestseller, and then probably another five
years before I became a kind of household name. And
that is a long term investment from everybody concerned. You know,
the publisher loses money the first many years and then
reaps the benefit later. Your agent works like crazy at
(12:37):
the beginning for very small deals few and far between,
and the investment used to be five years or even
ten years. And now you're right, you've got to that's
never going to happen again. You know, you need, you
need to have some kind of success within a couple
of books, and if they are massive hits, all the better.
(13:00):
But that is so rare interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I just think here, listened to both on the Laplane
and Lee caldb even they got both got cool distinctive voices.
You listen to them and you think, oh, yeah, I
recognize that person straight away. You know, Old, what's the
name who writes the You know that's what you think,
isn't it? I am bed Heart, I'm old what's the
name who does these podcasts? If you like this one,
(13:25):
check out the rewrap that's like this, but more specifically
about what Mike Hoskin has been up to. Otherwise, I'll
see you back here with this one tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Tell your friends us Talk Talks. It been.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
For more from news Talk, said b. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio
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