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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back of Wednesday. Cones might be leading to violence.
I don't know what I'm talking about. Hanging in there
to explain everything shortly, labor's policy drops this week, double
(00:50):
damp squib speaking of being damp while weather has actually
led to some weather wars. Again, well, everything will be
explained shortly, and then finally let's talk chess with Matt Heath.
But before any of that youth offending the meeting targets.
(01:13):
I think low targets. I think not high. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
The multi agency approach proved to be very effective and
that has continued. But if you also look at truancy,
you know, the data shows rising at attendance every term
since David Seymour made it his mission to get kids
back into the classroom. In term two of twenty twenty five,
(01:39):
fifty eight point four percent of students attended school regularly.
In twenty twenty two. That was thirty nine percent. There's
been a huge increase in the number of kids going
to school. Wasn't the school lunches that got them there?
That was the carrot. I thought it would, I really did.
I thought, yes, go the school lunches, starving kids, desperate
(01:59):
kids will go to school, and they'll turn up and
they'll learn because they'll be fed and they'll see school
is a safe place. No, didn't happen. What happened was
a carrot and a stick approach, an expectation that you
will turn up for school and if you're behind your desk,
you're not behind the wheel of a stolen car, are you.
This is good news. It's not perfect. There's still room
(02:23):
for improvement. I'm not entirely sure about the boot camps.
We haven't seen any figures from those. But that multi
agency approach is working. The expectation that kids will be
in school is working. The fact that there are consequences
for offending is working. This has got to be good news.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, it seems like they've thrown everything that the kitchen sink,
or maybe the kitchen sink as well at this and
Curry says it's working. But It's hard to know exactly
which bit's working, isn't it. I've tried all these different things,
but yeah, I've had that issue when I'm gun sort
(03:05):
of diy stuff at home, Like you change the plug,
but then you change the fuse and you change the cable,
and then you don't know which thing actually it was
that flixed it. And you're glad that it's working again,
But if it happens, if it breaks down next time,
which one of those things are you're going to go
for first? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Us talk ze.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Been it seems that people have been abusing traffic workers.
I'm not sure if any of those people who do
the abusing youth offenders, Probably not by the sounds of
the statistics, but yeah, somebody's doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Before the industry gets too caught up and playing the
victim on behalf of the workers who are the actual
victims here, they might like to just pause for a
moment and think about their role in all of this.
I suspect a lot of that bad behavior is driven
by frustration at what people see at roadworks. Five hundred
thousand cones when four hundred would do one hundred people
milling around doing a job that could be done by
six sixteen k's of road blocked off for a five
(04:04):
hundred meters job. What the industry may not understand is
that when motorists drive past that, what they see is waste.
Every single one of those road cones now feels like waste,
the waste of rate payer money, the waste of their
tax payer money. And we know that even now, months
after the new rules have been released requiring the councils
and the roading authorities in the industry to use fewer cones,
(04:25):
some are still using the old rules which require more cones.
So maybe if the industry wants to do its bit
to remove some of the agro from the road, they
should switch to the new rules, or maybe they should
insist that the local council switches to the new rules.
Lay out fewer cones, get the workers working faster, wrap
up the job quicker, make it look like they're not
taking the mickey, because, like I say, it's not okay
(04:45):
to abuse a road worker, but it is also not
okay to keep taking the mickey with our money.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
A lot of coney action around my place at the
moment that they've got those horizontal thrusting machines, which sounds
like something from the Sex Museum, doesn't it the horizontal
thrusting machine. But anyway, you know that for putting high
and cables and things underground, it seems to be a
(05:12):
bunch of them around my place. I don't know what
pipes and cables they're putting in. I'm sure it's making
something better somewhere. It's to be taking a very long time,
and they do it at night, so that's a bit
annoying because you can hear them doing it, these machines
rumbling away, and yet there's a lot of cone action.
Like I say, even though the machines aren't actually on
(05:34):
the road for the most part, you can't go anywhere
near them. You certainly can't get within a lane of
them because they've coned it all off. So I'm not
sure which regulations they're using for those cones. It doesn't
really bother me. It can be honest at like quarter
past three in the morning, because it's not like there's
a cure traffic stuff behind those cones. But you are
(05:55):
only supposed to go thirty ks an hour obviously when
you're driving past a cone, because you wouldn't want to
hit one any faster than that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That's but damn sure, u's talk side.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Actually, somebody who's had an argument with a cone under
his car a number of occasions is Ryan Bread. That's
a different story. That's not having talking about Labour's policy
drops this week.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
It knows the electorate doesn't trust it to make wise
choices with their hard earned money. That's why they are
outsourcing decisions about funding to other people. They did it
with the Future Fund and now they're doing it with Health.
In some ways it's smart.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
They're trying to suggest that National will sell off the assets,
they'll defund the doctors, so there needs to be an
independent group making these decisions. But mostly it's done because
there's one thing Key Weis don't like backing, and that's
a loser. And this strategy feels like a loser because
it lacks confidence. It's the message it's sending. It doesn't
say here's where i'll put your money, here's how, here's why.
(06:53):
It says I'm not too confident that you're confident in me,
so I'll give you money to someone else to decide.
Feels a bit weak. It's not a plan or a policy.
It's almost an admission of guilt of failure in the
previous government. If the goal was to box national into
a corner during an election campaign, that also creates problems.
(07:13):
Are these the best policies to grow New Zealand and
can get the best outcomes, or are they just politically
expedient policies designed to start fights on a campaign trail.
All of this, of course, comes ahead of a capital
gains tax announcement. We're expecting that apparently in a couple
of weeks time. What's next they'll let a group of
accountants decide who should pay tax on what income. Confidence
(07:36):
is key in politics, and you've got to know what
you want and you've got to go for it. Chippy
so far, looks like he's left his mojo at the door.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
How much mojo do you.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Reckon Chrisipkins had in the first place? Do you reckon
he was well appointed in the mojo department. Ever, I've
never noticed him a great deal of mojo around him.
But maybe my mojo Deteck.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Is off city.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
All right, So we've we've certainly had some weather this week,
some serious weather are in certain places. But guys, guys, guys,
it's not a competition.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
He's your classic text, getting a bit tired of the
Low North Islands and South Islands complain about the weather.
Get over it, guys. We have bed wear in the
North often and don't complain. I don't know what that
mentality is. It's interesting mentality. How would you call that?
Says okay, yeah? Is it a humble brag?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
We don't hear a lot about the weather and the
far North. We did hear for months about when your
pylon was down, same deficate, yeah, fair call, wow wow
wow about the pylon. Remember that if I was surprising
that people just don't bolted it. Never prick your sausages
(09:01):
rule one oh one? What's your golden rule for sausages?
I quite like them cooked on the oven. I think
that I think there's something more wholesome about them in
the oven. Wow wow, Yeah about the pylon. I love
it when there's regional battles about who's complaining most about
the weather. I love yeah, I love I love that.
(09:27):
Well yeah, yeah, we don't go on about it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Brilliant He once again I found myself absolutely entranced by
Marcus's ability to run two two completely different conversations on
here at the same time, because I'm assuming that the
sausage conversation wasn't anything to do with the weather conversation,
(09:51):
and these people were saying that they couldn't get outside
the barbecue their sausages. News Talk zip Bean Now Matt Heath,
I think since he's joined News Talks it b, I
think we've we've grown to learn that he's he's sort
of a bit of a philosopher, maybe maybe a did
you have him pig for a chess master?
Speaker 7 (10:13):
Though I've played my kids at chess for a very
long time and always just absolutely smoked them at chests,
and they were like, you're some kind of magician, dad.
And then a couple of years ago just said, for me,
my fourteen year son. Fourteen year old son beat me
at chess for the first time, and I've never seen celebrations.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Like it before.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
He was jumping. It's like you having that smile on
your face for the week. It was worth all those
losses for him, just for the me. How meaningful it
was for him to beat me, how downtrod and I was.
He'd slayed the dragon. I was destroyed. He was jumping
on the couch, he was running around it was like
he'd won the World Cup. It was phenomenal and it
was and for me it was a great moment as well,
(10:56):
because he'd finally slayed me.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I was that way with my brother, who's quite a
bit older than I am. He's like nine nine years
ten years older than me, and he is exactly the same.
He would always beat me at chess, and then I
think I did eventually beat him, and there was a
(11:22):
momentary celebration, and then in the back of my mind,
I thought, did you let me win? And that's why
I have never let my kids beat me at anything.
I mean, they've beaten me at things. I would never
let them do that. Obviously these days, like, yeah, I'm
(11:47):
not going to be able to win a running race,
for example. So as I've already discussed this week, if
I tried to run anywhere, I just bits of me
would start falling off. You just see this trail of
limbs and digits and things scattered on the road behind
me delively. But like the end of that which Terminator movie?
(12:10):
Do they freeze the terminator? And it also the falls
But that's the second one, isn't it, the Robert Patrick one?
I think they freeze he's the he's like the first
look within the terminator, and then they freeze him. Then
all the pieces, the benefs pieces to be crossed, and
then they go back to thee. There again. Wish I
(12:33):
was a terminator, and my kids have never been there.
I am Glen Hat sort of a podcasting terminator in
a way, and I will be back.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Used Talking Talking Said Bean. For more from News Talk
Said be listen live on air or online and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iart Radio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said, be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said, be you Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Thursday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart, and we
are looking back of Wednesday. Cones might be leading to violence.
I don't know what I'm talking about. Hanging in there
to explain everything shortly, labor's policy drops this week, double
(00:50):
damp squib speaking of being damp while weather has actually
led to some weather wars. Again, well, everything will be
explained shortly, and then finally let's talk chess with Matt Heath.
But before any of that youth offending the meeting targets.
(01:13):
I think low targets. I think not high. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
The multi agency approach proved to be very effective and
that has continued. But if you also look at truancy,
you know, the data shows rising at attendance every term
since David Seymour made it his mission to get kids
back into the classroom. In term two of twenty twenty five,
(01:39):
fifty eight point four percent of students attended school regularly.
In twenty twenty two. That was thirty nine percent. There's
been a huge increase in the number of kids going
to school. Wasn't the school lunches that got them there?
That was the carrot. I thought it would, I really did.
I thought, yes, go the school lunches, starving kids, desperate
(01:59):
kids will go to school, and they'll turn up and
they'll learn because they'll be fed and they'll see school
is a safe place. No, didn't happen. What happened was
a carrot and a stick approach, an expectation that you
will turn up for school and if you're behind your desk,
you're not behind the wheel of a stolen car, are you.
This is good news. It's not perfect. There's still room
(02:23):
for improvement. I'm not entirely sure about the boot camps.
We haven't seen any figures from those. But that multi
agency approach is working. The expectation that kids will be
in school is working. The fact that there are consequences
for offending is working. This has got to be good news.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, it seems like they've thrown everything that the kitchen sink,
or maybe the kitchen sink as well at this and
Curry says it's working. But It's hard to know exactly
which bit's working, isn't it. I've tried all these different things,
but yeah, I've had that issue when I'm gun sort
(03:05):
of diy stuff at home, Like you change the plug,
but then you change the fuse and you change the cable,
and then you don't know which thing actually it was
that flixed it. And you're glad that it's working again,
But if it happens, if it breaks down next time,
which one of those things are you're going to go
for first? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Us talk ze.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Been it seems that people have been abusing traffic workers.
I'm not sure if any of those people who do
the abusing youth offenders, Probably not by the sounds of
the statistics, but yeah, somebody's doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Before the industry gets too caught up and playing the
victim on behalf of the workers who are the actual
victims here, they might like to just pause for a
moment and think about their role in all of this.
I suspect a lot of that bad behavior is driven
by frustration at what people see at roadworks. Five hundred
thousand cones when four hundred would do one hundred people
milling around doing a job that could be done by
six sixteen k's of road blocked off for a five
(04:04):
hundred meters job. What the industry may not understand is
that when motorists drive past that, what they see is waste.
Every single one of those road cones now feels like waste,
the waste of rate payer money, the waste of their
tax payer money. And we know that even now, months
after the new rules have been released requiring the councils
and the roading authorities in the industry to use fewer cones,
(04:25):
some are still using the old rules which require more cones.
So maybe if the industry wants to do its bit
to remove some of the agro from the road, they
should switch to the new rules, or maybe they should
insist that the local council switches to the new rules.
Lay out fewer cones, get the workers working faster, wrap
up the job quicker, make it look like they're not
taking the mickey, because, like I say, it's not okay
(04:45):
to abuse a road worker, but it is also not
okay to keep taking the mickey with our money.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
A lot of coney action around my place at the
moment that they've got those horizontal thrusting machines, which sounds
like something from the Sex Museum, doesn't it the horizontal
thrusting machine. But anyway, you know that for putting high
and cables and things underground, it seems to be a
(05:12):
bunch of them around my place. I don't know what
pipes and cables they're putting in. I'm sure it's making
something better somewhere. It's to be taking a very long time,
and they do it at night, so that's a bit
annoying because you can hear them doing it, these machines
rumbling away, and yet there's a lot of cone action.
Like I say, even though the machines aren't actually on
(05:34):
the road for the most part, you can't go anywhere
near them. You certainly can't get within a lane of
them because they've coned it all off. So I'm not
sure which regulations they're using for those cones. It doesn't
really bother me. It can be honest at like quarter
past three in the morning, because it's not like there's
a cure traffic stuff behind those cones. But you are
(05:55):
only supposed to go thirty ks an hour obviously when
you're driving past a cone, because you wouldn't want to
hit one any faster than that.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
That's but damn sure, u's talk side.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Actually, somebody who's had an argument with a cone under
his car a number of occasions is Ryan Bread. That's
a different story. That's not having talking about Labour's policy
drops this week.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
It knows the electorate doesn't trust it to make wise
choices with their hard earned money. That's why they are
outsourcing decisions about funding to other people. They did it
with the Future Fund and now they're doing it with Health.
In some ways it's smart.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
They're trying to suggest that National will sell off the assets,
they'll defund the doctors, so there needs to be an
independent group making these decisions. But mostly it's done because
there's one thing Key Weis don't like backing, and that's
a loser. And this strategy feels like a loser because
it lacks confidence. It's the message it's sending. It doesn't
say here's where i'll put your money, here's how, here's why.
(06:53):
It says I'm not too confident that you're confident in me,
so I'll give you money to someone else to decide.
Feels a bit weak. It's not a plan or a policy.
It's almost an admission of guilt of failure in the
previous government. If the goal was to box national into
a corner during an election campaign, that also creates problems.
(07:13):
Are these the best policies to grow New Zealand and
can get the best outcomes, or are they just politically
expedient policies designed to start fights on a campaign trail.
All of this, of course, comes ahead of a capital
gains tax announcement. We're expecting that apparently in a couple
of weeks time. What's next they'll let a group of
accountants decide who should pay tax on what income. Confidence
(07:36):
is key in politics, and you've got to know what
you want and you've got to go for it. Chippy
so far, looks like he's left his mojo at the door.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
How much mojo do you.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Reckon Chrisipkins had in the first place? Do you reckon
he was well appointed in the mojo department. Ever, I've
never noticed him a great deal of mojo around him.
But maybe my mojo Deteck.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Is off city.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
All right, So we've we've certainly had some weather this week,
some serious weather are in certain places. But guys, guys, guys,
it's not a competition.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
He's your classic text, getting a bit tired of the
Low North Islands and South Islands complain about the weather.
Get over it, guys. We have bed wear in the
North often and don't complain. I don't know what that
mentality is. It's interesting mentality. How would you call that?
Says okay, yeah? Is it a humble brag?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
We don't hear a lot about the weather and the
far North. We did hear for months about when your
pylon was down, same deficate, yeah, fair call, wow wow
wow about the pylon. Remember that if I was surprising
that people just don't bolted it. Never prick your sausages
(09:01):
rule one oh one? What's your golden rule for sausages?
I quite like them cooked on the oven. I think
that I think there's something more wholesome about them in
the oven. Wow wow, Yeah about the pylon. I love
it when there's regional battles about who's complaining most about
the weather. I love yeah, I love I love that.
(09:27):
Well yeah, yeah, we don't go on about it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Brilliant He once again I found myself absolutely entranced by
Marcus's ability to run two two completely different conversations on
here at the same time, because I'm assuming that the
sausage conversation wasn't anything to do with the weather conversation,
(09:51):
and these people were saying that they couldn't get outside
the barbecue their sausages. News Talk zip Bean Now Matt Heath,
I think since he's joined News Talks it b, I
think we've we've grown to learn that he's he's sort
of a bit of a philosopher, maybe maybe a did
you have him pig for a chess master?
Speaker 7 (10:13):
Though I've played my kids at chess for a very
long time and always just absolutely smoked them at chests,
and they were like, you're some kind of magician, dad.
And then a couple of years ago just said, for me,
my fourteen year son. Fourteen year old son beat me
at chess for the first time, and I've never seen celebrations.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Like it before.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
He was jumping. It's like you having that smile on
your face for the week. It was worth all those
losses for him, just for the me. How meaningful it
was for him to beat me, how downtrod and I was.
He'd slayed the dragon. I was destroyed. He was jumping
on the couch, he was running around it was like
he'd won the World Cup. It was phenomenal and it
was and for me it was a great moment as well,
(10:56):
because he'd finally slayed me.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I was that way with my brother, who's quite a
bit older than I am. He's like nine nine years
ten years older than me, and he is exactly the same.
He would always beat me at chess, and then I
think I did eventually beat him, and there was a
(11:22):
momentary celebration, and then in the back of my mind,
I thought, did you let me win? And that's why
I have never let my kids beat me at anything.
I mean, they've beaten me at things. I would never
let them do that. Obviously these days, like, yeah, I'm
(11:47):
not going to be able to win a running race,
for example. So as I've already discussed this week, if
I tried to run anywhere, I just bits of me
would start falling off. You just see this trail of
limbs and digits and things scattered on the road behind
me delively. But like the end of that which Terminator movie?
(12:10):
Do they freeze the terminator? And it also the falls
But that's the second one, isn't it, the Robert Patrick one?
I think they freeze he's the he's like the first
look within the terminator, and then they freeze him. Then
all the pieces, the benefs pieces to be crossed, and
then they go back to thee. There again. Wish I
(12:33):
was a terminator, and my kids have never been there.
I am Glen Hat sort of a podcasting terminator in
a way, and I will be back.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Used Talking Talking Said Bean. For more from News Talk
Said be listen live on air or online and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iart Radio
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