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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
This is Bigger Bye Phaser Days, kicking off our hour.
New Zealand Music's big night out took place this week.
The Urtro Music Awards celebrated at sixtieth year with our
biggest musical stars, glitzedon, glammed for the red carpet and
taking out two awards for Best Solo Artist and a
highly coveted Album of the Year was Face Days, also
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known as Amelia Murray and Amelia joins me this morning,
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
In now Francesca.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How are we really good to have you with us?
This is your first time winning an out Own Music Award.
How did you feel hearing your name?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Ah, I felt weirdly calm. Actually, I think it's it
feels kind of like it's been a really long time coming.
I've been nominated quite a few times before, and it
was kind of it was nice to finally take home
a trophy. So yeah, I felt really felt really good.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, because your album Soft Power was a long time
in the making, and I wonder whether this when cemented
that time, that you know that taking your time was
really worth it.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I think so. I mean it was kind of
validating because it was a really hard journey making this record.
I had a lot of stuff going on personally, but
also just navigating the industry and trying to free the
music was a massive journey. Just just getting the music
out there and untangling it from a lot of various
things that were going on, and so then to kind
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of have a couple of awards in my hands to
kind of show for all that that work was just
really really validating and gratifying.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. Yeah, you should be proud because that Album of
the Year category, it was stacked with amazing albums, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh my gosh? Yeah, I mean I was really nestled
into my seat. I was. I was pretty cumfy to
be like, okay, well the night's over, like like I was.
I was not expecting to get up on stage again.
So it was yeah, I mean that category, there's so
many great artists and then great records. So I was
pretty surprised. I was genuinely very surprised to win to
win that one, Yeah, the big one.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
How fun are these big awards nights? Are they fun?
Do you enjoy them?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah? I lean it's quite I find they're getting really
quite stressful because there's a lot of a lot of
things like that. On that night, I had to think
about the c I was wearing for the Red Carpet
and then performing as well, and the kind of different
looks between the two. But once I reckon, the hardest
thing is getting ready. This most stressful thing is getting ready.
And then once you're there, it's so much fun because
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all your peers celebrating and celebrating each other and yeah,
and celebrating music, and so it's it's a pretty special,
magical night. Yes, it is fun once you get past
the stress.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Is it more nerve breaking performing a gig to your
fans or performing in front of a room full of
your peers?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Good question. I was probably more nervous performing in front
of my peers, because ah, they know, you know, you
can't really hide from them. So yeah, I think i'd
probably say playing in front of my peers, Yeah, I mean,
I think I think Lord was in the audience, you know,
so lots of like you know, stand walker, big big
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names and great artists in the audience. So yeah, I
was pretty nervous.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Do you get to sort of brush shoulders and meet
these people.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, I mean I met Stan for the first time,
Sam Walker for the first time and he was so sweet.
And I've known Ala for a while Lord for a while,
but I didn't know I sho didn't get to bump
into her, But yeah, it was it was pretty nice
meeting I meet Holly Smith, who I've looked up to
my whole life. So yeah, you do get to hang
out with the with the stars. That's pretty special.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And Amlia. By the end of the night, he had
you agreed to do some collaborations with people, and.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh I didn't. I didn't quite smooth that hard, but
I to plant some seeds.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So I like it. But it sounds cheesy, But actually
the New Zealand music industry is very open and generous
and friendly and welcoming of people, isn't it genuinely?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Most people are really approachable
and accessible and every time I've reached out to someone
for advice or help, I've always been met with a
reply or help or being pointed in the right direction.
So so yeah, for the most part, I think it
is a really supportive industry. I mean there's not there's
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everyone knows each other and there's not it's not very big,
so yeah, it is. It is. You know, when a
newcomer comes in, it's it's like, you know, everyone knows
about them straight away, So it's pretty Yeah, I'd say
it is really supportive, especially between artists who, like sometimes
I've had to double check a deal with someone, and
even an artist I don't know who may maybe has
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a similar deal, I'll reach out to them and be like, hey,
can you can you kind of bounce this off you?
And that I've always been met with so much help.
So yes, it's pretty special like that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean, there was a bit of time when you
sort of stepped away from music between albums from twenty
seventeen to sort of soft power. Why was that?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, well I went through as I don't really want
to get into like the personal details of it, but
I just was battling a lot of I guess things
in my domestic life that weren't very balanced and weren't Yeah,
we're out of We're really out of balance, and I
was fighting these kind of power dynamics and just not
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really able to win. As as a young woman making
music and navigating the world, I didn't really have the
skill set to know how to battle what I was
going through. And it took me a really it took
me stepping away from music and sort of moving cities
to kind of find myself again. It was a really
slow journey to come back into myself to then be
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able to make music and get it out there again.
It's a I feel like this job is quite I
guess like spiritual or something like. I do have to
be quite in touch with myself and my intuition just
to be able to do my job. And if I
if I if I'm losing touch with myself, really hard
to make decisions and put myself out there and put
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myself on a stage if I'm not feeling in my
own frame. So it's been a long time coming back
into my own frame after some of the things I
went through.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I was talking to mel Parsons recently and she, you know,
she did making point she went, writing songs is actually
really hard. Oh yeah, you know, if you're not in
the right place or space or you know, it's hard anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, yeah, Oh, it really is. It's it's like a
really psychological battle, like you've got to let it, You've
got to let it flow. You can't force it, but
you also do have to sit down and work. So
it's like this really fine balance between yeah, just just flowing,
but also being disciplined enough to let it flow. So
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it's yeah, I find it really I've find it really tricky,
and when a song comes comes through it it's like
you've struck gold, you know, But it doesn't always show
up and sometimes you're like, oh, well, that was a
waste of time and what am I doing with my life? Amelia?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
The Sound and Soft Power is a lot bolder than
your debut. How did your approach to creating this album
differ from before?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh? So, I guess I've always done like bedroom pop music,
and I've kind of always made music in my bedroom,
and with that comes like a bit more of a
low fire sound, and I, you know, my first record,
Morning Side, did quite well, and I started to find
myself on these bigger stages because of how well my
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career was going, and I guess that kind of inspired
the next record, as I thought I'd love to make
music that actually suited the stage more and suited these
venues I was playing because they were getting larger and
my music was still quite small and bedroom me so
soft Power. I was really trying to lean into a
more expansive, open cinematic sound whiles still retaining this like
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bedroom like quality. So I do kind of joke that
Soft Power is like a bedroom stadium records, Like I've
I tried to straddle both on it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You know, it's really interesting you say that because the
coming time made to my producer was this would just
be so awesome live, you know, you know, to hear
this album played live. Was it fun to be able
to take it from you know that? Did you enjoy
that process of taking it from an album from the
bedroom to the stage.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, I mean I have really, because I sort of
did well on the internet, and I'm an introverted person
and a kind of just like you know, make music
in my bedroom and spend far too many hours on
my own. It has been a real big transition, not
just getting the music into a live setting and everything,
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but also myself out of my bedroom and like onto
the road and touring in front of people and socializing,
and yeah, there has been it has been. It's been
a it's definitely been a journey like putting that music
onto the stage. And I actually recently got some help
from my friend time in Martin and he helps me
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adapt the music from you know, my recordings into the
band and onto the onto the stage, because I often
just like write these songs in my room and I
and record them in my room, and then I don't
actually know how to play them live. So it's been
good to get some help with that. Lately.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You've already toured with the band PONND through the US,
and you're going back to tour it in in the
UI soon.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What's that like?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh, it's pretty. It's pretty surreal. It's like I mean,
touring the US, it was just something I dreamed of
as a teenager playing in a band. And now to
be yeah, like invited back over there. We're touring with
Petsi's in August and September and in the US. It's
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it's pretty surreal. It's it's pretty. Not gonna lie, it's pretty.
It's very hard work like it. It's really hard work
on the body, like just a lot of venues and
vans and hotels, but it's pretty special. I always take
my one of my best friends, Dave Rowlands. He plays
guitar in my band, and because I've got him, it's
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even when it gets hard. It's actually it's actually still
really fun.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Have you learned how to have you had to sort
of be quite proactive and learning how to look after
yourself when you're on the right. You know, it's not
like the good old days rock and roll that you
sort of that will be actually have to sort of
you know, be quite self preserving about it. Take a
sort of quite a self preserving approach to it.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, Like sometimes I watch the movies and then
touring and drinking and like doing drugs, and I'm like,
how you actually you have to be a machine if
you are doing that. Plus touring, like touring on its
own is just so hard, and throw alcohol and drugs.
It's like, I don't know how anyone would get through
a tour. So yeah, I I mean, yeah, I've got
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a lot of little hacks I do, Like I bring
a yoga mat on tour, like a very unrock and
roll I bring my yoga mat. I bring a skipping
rope just so that like in between, you know, when
we when we get a stop on the road, I
can like do a little you know, get the blood flowing. Yeah,
I've got a whole bunch of other hacks, just to
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kind of keep fit and healthy because you have to,
like you know, just I'm playing a pretty heavy guitar
every night, so my strength has to be my core
strength has to be up and yeah it's and there's
a lot of heavy gear to lift, so you do
actually have to be quite physically in a good and
a good place. Otherwise it's it goes down hell really fast.
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It's it's a real I find touring just all about
self preservation. So yeah, do.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You have a different expectation of how those international shows
will feel compared to the ones that you play for
the home audience.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, I think so. I mean when we head over
in August to support pet Seas and another band called Spoon,
we are playing this will be my first time doing
like an outdoor ampitheater tour, so a lot of these
venues that we're playing will be like it'll be Midsummer,
and I guess it will be kind of different in
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that sense, just like you know, we're playing Red Rocks
and Denver like quite big, outdoor, iconic venue, So I
think I guess that will be one point of difference.
But other than that, like when we do head on
like a more regular your phase it Day's headline tour
in the US or headline shows in the US. It
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is actually quite similar. Like it's actually, you know, when
you talk to people afterwards, it's just the accents different,
But other than that, it's actually it is really similar.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I meanly, just finally, when you're making music, do you
think about the way your audience is going to relate
or do you just make it and put it out
there in the world for people to enjoy however they
and interpret, interpret however they like.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
A yeah, I mean I usually just try, like I mean,
I have tried to write in a way of like, oh,
this will go down well, but it doesn't really work.
But it doesn't really. I don't find it very conducive
to my creativity to think too much about the audience
early on. I just sort of try to leave that
later in the creative process. I off. Now, I try
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my best to just write for myself. And I feel
like you hear that all the time, but I really
do try to just write what makes me feel excited
and what's resonating with me, because I know that if
I trust that and follow that, it will resonate with
other people. So I do try to just pull it
in and and and follow my nose on what feels
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exciting to me. And yeah, and that's that's how I've
been working lately anyway, and it's been it's been, yeah,
very conducive to her creativity. I'm finding Amelia.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Best of luck with the tour in the US, and
congratulations on the big wins this week.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Well done, Thank you, Francisca, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
That was Amelia Murray, who you may know as Phaser Days.
Go and have and listen to her gorgeous album Soft Power.
She won Album of the Year and also Best Solo
Artist at the Altro Music Awards this week.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
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