The Lord of the Rings franchise is held very near and dear to many Kiwi’s hearts, and the brand-new retelling of the franchise has been nothing but popular upon it’s release.
The Rings of Power had an estimated 25 million viewers tune in for its Season 1 premiere, and it’s second season has begun.
It’s set thousands of years before the events of JRR Tolkein’s novels, with Middle Earth’s infamous villain inhabiting a flesh and blood body for the first time on screen.
Australian actor Charlie Vickers plays Sauron, a twist only revealed in the final episode of the first season, as his charismatic Halbrand was unmasked.
The twist was something of a surprise to Vickers as well, as he only found out after they had begun filming.
“I filmed the first two episodes of the show, not knowing I was playing Sauron,” he told Newstalk ZB’s Jack Tame.
“And then they called me into their office in Henderson and they said, you’re, so it turns out that Halbrand is Sauron.”
“I was left reeling, in a good way.”
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be a brand new telling of a story that we
hold very, very daily here in New Zealand. Lord of
the Rings The Rings of Power had an estimated twenty
five million people tune in for its season one premiere.
The series is set thousands of years before the events
depicted in the Tolkien novels, and in it Middle Earth's
(00:32):
infamous villain, previously immortalized by Peter Jackson as a giant
burning eye, and habits a human body for the first time.
Season two has now landed in Star of Rings of Power.
Charlie Vickers is with us this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Calder, Good morning, Koler, good morning. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It is a real pleasure to be speaking with you.
And I think we can safely assume that everyone is
up to speed with season one. So if you haven't
watched season one yet, let's just tell you right now
there are going to be some spoilers. The last episode
of season one an extraordinary moment. So all seasons you've
been playing playing hell Brand, a charismatic king, in that
(01:12):
last episode an extraordinary twist that turns out your character
was actually Sourn. Just tell us about it. Tell us
about how they broke the news to you. Was it
the writers, was it the showrunners? When did you find
out that would be your role?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The showrunners told me at the start of the third
episode of filming.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So I filmed the first two episodes of the show.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And not knowing I was playing souron and then we
just finished a hiatus because of COVID and they called
me in to their office in Henderson and they said,
your So it turns out that ol Brand is sour
And then that was a mind blowing moment that I
then had to try and I was left reeling in
(01:55):
a good way.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was very excited.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So presumably this was a deliberate move on behalf of
the showrunners. They wanted you to think that you were
playing hell Brand, everything was normal, and then they were like, hey, Charlie,
guess what psych.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I think?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah. I think they must have wanted me for those
opening scenes to not think I was playing Sourn. So
therefore it'd be impossible for me to do any kind
of sign posting about like the potential evil beneath Albrand,
you know, Halbrand. But I was kind of the issue
with that was. I'd auditioned playing Satan from Paradise Lost
(02:32):
and Bridge at the third, so I kind of had
an inkling that there was something more to halbrand Ah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's interesting. You actually you could sense that maybe things
were not as they appeared, that there might be a
little bit of a twist or something else that you
were going to discover.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Definitely, I think there was a little bit of I
definitely knew that there was something more at play.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I just didn't know what it was.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
So it was actually a relief when they told me
it was sour On because I mean I could really
focus in on what I had to learn.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, what is that change in terms of the process,
because the audience isn't going to know until the last
deep right, so you are still thinking about I mean
at this point, I mean, do you have to change
how you signpost things? How do you think about your character?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Not hugely in terms.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Of practical practically, but yeah, it changes a lot in
terms of how I think about him, and I was
able to. It just gave me this huge body of
research that I could dive into that I didn't have before.
And it's like all the stuff that Tolkien wrote about
him was opened up to me, and I'd already researched
it quite a lot, but it just meant I could
throw myself headfirst into it. All the different parts of
(03:38):
the film Irillion and Tolkien's letters and yeah, really really
exciting parts of the story.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Were you a Tolkien reader beforehand?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
No, I'd never read I'd never read a Top ten book.
I'd watched the Peter Jackson films, but I'd never read
a book.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So how did you find it engaging with that writing
for the first time?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I liked it. It takes a bit of a particularly
the Silmarrillion.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It takes a bit of adjusting at first, but I
actually think the start of the film Mirillion is really
good when they it's all about the the valor.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Scening the world into existence, and.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I kind of like there are some bits which are
kind of it's a bit of a slog in the middle,
but you know that's often happens with books anyway, But
once you get used to it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I really loved it, particularly the end bit as well.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And so once you had had a chance to deduce
this information, you had a chance to do a bit
of background research. Are you allowed to tell your cast
mates how does it work. Are you sworn to secrecy
on a promise of death or something?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, I think that was sworn to secrecy.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I think I maybe told my mum and my partner,
but maybe a couple of people in the cast kind
of figured it out because like, I think more of
this had to figure it out because she was in
so many scenes with me, So I think she pretty
quickly figured out that maybe I was Sourron.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And not Halbrond. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
But as to other people in the cast, I don't
know how they found out because I didn't tell them.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Oh really, Like, so it might have actually been until
until they actually saw the family. Beside is that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Maybe some of them lasted that.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
But I reckon people probably worked it out by the
end of because they didn't. A lot of people didn't
get the scripts, but I think they knew something was
up because we all got different Like the five of
us involved in the scenes the reveal scenes got all
the right scripts and everyone else just got blank pages.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
God, what a night me to organize this, I just
like beatter the showrunners than me. Can you imagine trying
to coordinate something as significant as this and trying to
manage not only public expectations, but the expectations of your
of your cast and cruise exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, I think they're glad to be rid of that
level of secresy.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So what does it mean for your character in season two.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, it's kind of you know, Saron now gets the
opportunity to now that he's out in terms of the
audience's eyes, we can watch him with the mask off.
We can watch him navigating his way through Middle Earth
and deceiving people and manipulating people under disguise of Anata,
which was the fair form that Tolkien wrote that Saran
(06:04):
took in the second Age. So that was huge, it
was it really changed my interpretation of the character because
he was perceived he's now you know, the audience's perspective
is different.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, well, the audience are in on it at this
time now, right, even though he to other characters in
the show, he might be he might presented as a
as a certain character or have certain characteristics, the audience
is on the inside now.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Exactly, That's exactly it.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And now we kind of get to share those quiet
moments with him when he's having a moment, a soaln moment,
Whereas in the previous season when he's being fu on,
the camera's probably not with him. The cameras are work
with Galadriel, so we kind of see a window into
his true nature, which I think is fun and it's
we kind of you know, you can watch someone manipulating
(06:56):
people and being quite bad, but maybe you kind of
enjoy it as an audience member, particularly because you know
it's not real.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
When I have conversations with the actors lot, you know,
a lot of the time they talk about different methods
to try and understand the complexity of their characters, but
just to think about those basics, right, like the audiences
with you, but other characters from your position aren't actually
aware of your true nature and your and your true
the fact that you are sour on Like, that's an
amazing level of complexity. But it's very shakespeare, don't you think.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Very Shakespearean, And it's quite it's quite epic and for me,
but despite the large scale of it, and you know,
if I stopped to think about the the size of
the weight of playing a role like this, I think
I go crazyly. So I really don't think about it
in those terms. I try and just break it down
(07:48):
to its most simple form, which is I'm acting opposite someone.
What do I need over and over again, whether it's
in a over a whole season, or whether it's in
a second, it's like, what do I need in at
that exact point? And for Salon is to like rehabilitate
and save and heel Middle Earth. And for me, if
(08:09):
I just play that, I let the villainy happen as
a byproduct of seeking this goal, and well I will
stop at nothing to achieve it. And that's where that's
where he starts to do some bad stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Season one. I think I'm right in that you prepped
by going for a five day wilderness experience in the
Tole Yeah National Park, Is that right?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah? Yeah? I did the Northern Stir Yeah, really yeah.
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
That was when I was I had just been told
that I was sour on, and I thought, well, what
what else can you do if you just if you're
going to be sour on, go to Mount Doom. So
I went out there by myself and just hiked around
over the Northern Circle. I think I was away for
five days. The hike maybe took three days, but it
was really it was really special. One of the best
(08:59):
hikes I've ever been on. I've never been on a
Somler hike, but I loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What time of year was it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It was.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
In kind No, it was cold at night, but it
was really hot in the day. I want to say
it started spring.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it's pretty exposed day. Some of that is like
super exposed.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
There's no where to hide, very hot, and there's it's
all all sun like, it's so hot. I remember being
really hot and sweaty, and then in the nights the
temperature would drop. I chose not to sleep in the huts.
I brought a tent, which meant my pack was heavier,
but I had a bit more privacy.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So hey, you didn't you you like you properly? You
you did it authentically. Then, yeah, I had.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
All the kid hike pack. One of my good friends,
his name's Guy Hamdling. He worked on the show with us.
He gave me. He had a lot of hike years,
so he gave me a whole bunch of stuff which
is very hot.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh wow, what it What an experience. You also had
to learn to free dive.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Eh.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, we did a bit of free diving because there's
an underwater sequence at the start of the first season.
At the start of the season actually, so I had
to learn to dive, which was really a skill that
I'm forever grateful for because I was terrified at the
start of that I couldn't hold my breath for longer
than thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Wow. And yeah, by the end we were up in
the four minute mark.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So that was no because it's it's it's very mitiative, right,
You've got to bring your heart rate down, and when
you're when you're submersed and water, you need to bring
all of your kind of processes down and slow slow
everything up.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, exactly, that exactly that. It was like, the lower
your heart rate, the longer you can hold your breath.
And that was really cool to learn that level of
mindfulness and it's something I've been able to take into
the rest of my.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Life as well.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh man, have you ever watched the free diving on YouTube?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I have, and I've watched what's that is it called
the Deepest Breath?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I haven't watched many of the competitions, but I've seen
little clips here and there.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It's pretty amazing. Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh, It's it's kind of crazy, Like, yeah, I do
it to that level like we had We've had William
Troubridge on the show, who's a he's the only champion
freed over and like he would go to one hundred
meters with no fins or anything. Can you just imagine,
I just like imagine the head space you need to
be and yeah, well he just holds onto the rope. Yeah,
(11:22):
you can be pulled down, but he would just he
would peddle and then yeah, and then we clipped.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
To a rope. It's nuts, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I take it that given season two has been filmed
predominantly in London, right, you haven't needed to go to
such extremes to prepare for this.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
For this.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Apart from that sequence at the start with the sea
monster again that flashback sequence, there was a lot of
scuba diving and breath holding again that I had to
do for that, but otherwise quite a bit less horse
riding this time, which which is sad kind of but
also I'm bit grateful for horses are always scary. But yeah,
it's been more linguistic and that it's like a lot
(11:59):
more mental gymnastics because the scenes are quite long and
very intense, which is which has been a really cool experience.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think we can safely assume that your character's major
twist came in season one, but now being part of
the of the of the cast and the crew as
a film season two. Looking from the outside, did you
get any pages that were blank in your scripts? Like,
should we expect big twists coming for other characters?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
TSTs. I don't think I've got any blank pages.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But there are twists coming for sure, and I won't
tell you what they are. There is a couple really
good ones coming.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh fantastic. Well, we are delighted that you guys are back,
really excited to digest season two. Thank you so much
for giving us your time. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I appreciate yours. Thank you very much for having me.
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That is Rings of Power star Charlie Vickers and Lord
of the Rings. Rings of Power is streaming on Prime
Video Now with a new episode every week.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
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follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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from News Talks at.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be a brand new telling of a story that we
hold very, very daily here in New Zealand. Lord of
the Rings The Rings of Power had an estimated twenty
five million people tune in for its season one premiere.
The series is set thousands of years before the events
depicted in the Tolkien novels, and in it Middle Earth's
(00:32):
infamous villain, previously immortalized by Peter Jackson as a giant
burning eye, and habits a human body for the first time.
Season two has now landed in Star of Rings of Power.
Charlie Vickers is with us this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Calder, Good morning, Koler, good morning. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It is a real pleasure to be speaking with you.
And I think we can safely assume that everyone is
up to speed with season one. So if you haven't
watched season one yet, let's just tell you right now
there are going to be some spoilers. The last episode
of season one an extraordinary moment. So all seasons you've
been playing playing hell Brand, a charismatic king, in that
(01:12):
last episode an extraordinary twist that turns out your character
was actually Sourn. Just tell us about it. Tell us
about how they broke the news to you. Was it
the writers, was it the showrunners? When did you find
out that would be your role?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
The showrunners told me at the start of the third
episode of filming.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So I filmed the first two episodes of the show.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
And not knowing I was playing souron and then we
just finished a hiatus because of COVID and they called
me in to their office in Henderson and they said,
your So it turns out that ol Brand is sour
And then that was a mind blowing moment that I
then had to try and I was left reeling in
(01:55):
a good way.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was very excited.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So presumably this was a deliberate move on behalf of
the showrunners. They wanted you to think that you were
playing hell Brand, everything was normal, and then they were like, hey, Charlie,
guess what psych.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I think?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah. I think they must have wanted me for those
opening scenes to not think I was playing Sourn. So
therefore it'd be impossible for me to do any kind
of sign posting about like the potential evil beneath Albrand,
you know, Halbrand. But I was kind of the issue
with that was. I'd auditioned playing Satan from Paradise Lost
(02:32):
and Bridge at the third, so I kind of had
an inkling that there was something more to halbrand Ah.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's interesting. You actually you could sense that maybe things
were not as they appeared, that there might be a
little bit of a twist or something else that you
were going to discover.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Definitely, I think there was a little bit of I
definitely knew that there was something more at play.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I just didn't know what it was.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
So it was actually a relief when they told me
it was sour On because I mean I could really
focus in on what I had to learn.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, what is that change in terms of the process,
because the audience isn't going to know until the last
deep right, so you are still thinking about I mean
at this point, I mean, do you have to change
how you signpost things? How do you think about your character?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Not hugely in terms.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Of practical practically, but yeah, it changes a lot in
terms of how I think about him, and I was
able to. It just gave me this huge body of
research that I could dive into that I didn't have before.
And it's like all the stuff that Tolkien wrote about
him was opened up to me, and I'd already researched
it quite a lot, but it just meant I could
throw myself headfirst into it. All the different parts of
(03:38):
the film Irillion and Tolkien's letters and yeah, really really
exciting parts of the story.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Were you a Tolkien reader beforehand?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
No, I'd never read I'd never read a Top ten book.
I'd watched the Peter Jackson films, but I'd never read
a book.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So how did you find it engaging with that writing
for the first time?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I liked it. It takes a bit of a particularly
the Silmarrillion.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It takes a bit of adjusting at first, but I
actually think the start of the film Mirillion is really
good when they it's all about the the valor.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Scening the world into existence, and.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I kind of like there are some bits which are
kind of it's a bit of a slog in the middle,
but you know that's often happens with books anyway, But
once you get used to it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I really loved it, particularly the end bit as well.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And so once you had had a chance to deduce
this information, you had a chance to do a bit
of background research. Are you allowed to tell your cast
mates how does it work. Are you sworn to secrecy
on a promise of death or something?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, I think that was sworn to secrecy.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
I think I maybe told my mum and my partner,
but maybe a couple of people in the cast kind
of figured it out because like, I think more of
this had to figure it out because she was in
so many scenes with me, So I think she pretty
quickly figured out that maybe I was Sourron.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And not Halbrond. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
But as to other people in the cast, I don't
know how they found out because I didn't tell them.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Oh really, Like, so it might have actually been until
until they actually saw the family. Beside is that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Maybe some of them lasted that.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
But I reckon people probably worked it out by the
end of because they didn't. A lot of people didn't
get the scripts, but I think they knew something was
up because we all got different Like the five of
us involved in the scenes the reveal scenes got all
the right scripts and everyone else just got blank pages.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
God, what a night me to organize this, I just
like beatter the showrunners than me. Can you imagine trying
to coordinate something as significant as this and trying to
manage not only public expectations, but the expectations of your
of your cast and cruise exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, I think they're glad to be rid of that
level of secresy.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So what does it mean for your character in season two.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, it's kind of you know, Saron now gets the
opportunity to now that he's out in terms of the
audience's eyes, we can watch him with the mask off.
We can watch him navigating his way through Middle Earth
and deceiving people and manipulating people under disguise of Anata,
which was the fair form that Tolkien wrote that Saran
(06:04):
took in the second Age. So that was huge, it
was it really changed my interpretation of the character because
he was perceived he's now you know, the audience's perspective
is different.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, well, the audience are in on it at this
time now, right, even though he to other characters in
the show, he might be he might presented as a
as a certain character or have certain characteristics, the audience
is on the inside now.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Exactly, That's exactly it.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And now we kind of get to share those quiet
moments with him when he's having a moment, a soaln moment,
Whereas in the previous season when he's being fu on,
the camera's probably not with him. The cameras are work
with Galadriel, so we kind of see a window into
his true nature, which I think is fun and it's
we kind of you know, you can watch someone manipulating
(06:56):
people and being quite bad, but maybe you kind of
enjoy it as an audience member, particularly because you know
it's not real.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
When I have conversations with the actors lot, you know,
a lot of the time they talk about different methods
to try and understand the complexity of their characters, but
just to think about those basics, right, like the audiences
with you, but other characters from your position aren't actually
aware of your true nature and your and your true
the fact that you are sour on Like, that's an
amazing level of complexity. But it's very shakespeare, don't you think.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Very Shakespearean, And it's quite it's quite epic and for me,
but despite the large scale of it, and you know,
if I stopped to think about the the size of
the weight of playing a role like this, I think
I go crazyly. So I really don't think about it
in those terms. I try and just break it down
(07:48):
to its most simple form, which is I'm acting opposite someone.
What do I need over and over again, whether it's
in a over a whole season, or whether it's in
a second, it's like, what do I need in at
that exact point? And for Salon is to like rehabilitate
and save and heel Middle Earth. And for me, if
(08:09):
I just play that, I let the villainy happen as
a byproduct of seeking this goal, and well I will
stop at nothing to achieve it. And that's where that's
where he starts to do some bad stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Season one. I think I'm right in that you prepped
by going for a five day wilderness experience in the
Tole Yeah National Park, Is that right?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah? Yeah? I did the Northern Stir Yeah, really yeah.
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
That was when I was I had just been told
that I was sour on, and I thought, well, what
what else can you do if you just if you're
going to be sour on, go to Mount Doom. So
I went out there by myself and just hiked around
over the Northern Circle. I think I was away for
five days. The hike maybe took three days, but it
was really it was really special. One of the best
(08:59):
hikes I've ever been on. I've never been on a
Somler hike, but I loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What time of year was it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It was.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
In kind No, it was cold at night, but it
was really hot in the day. I want to say
it started spring.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it's pretty exposed day. Some of that is like
super exposed.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
There's no where to hide, very hot, and there's it's
all all sun like, it's so hot. I remember being
really hot and sweaty, and then in the nights the
temperature would drop. I chose not to sleep in the huts.
I brought a tent, which meant my pack was heavier,
but I had a bit more privacy.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So hey, you didn't you you like you properly? You
you did it authentically. Then, yeah, I had.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
All the kid hike pack. One of my good friends,
his name's Guy Hamdling. He worked on the show with us.
He gave me. He had a lot of hike years,
so he gave me a whole bunch of stuff which
is very hot.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh wow, what it What an experience. You also had
to learn to free dive.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Eh.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Yeah, we did a bit of free diving because there's
an underwater sequence at the start of the first season.
At the start of the season actually, so I had
to learn to dive, which was really a skill that
I'm forever grateful for because I was terrified at the
start of that I couldn't hold my breath for longer
than thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Wow. And yeah, by the end we were up in
the four minute mark.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
So that was no because it's it's it's very mitiative, right,
You've got to bring your heart rate down, and when
you're when you're submersed and water, you need to bring
all of your kind of processes down and slow slow
everything up.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, exactly, that exactly that. It was like, the lower
your heart rate, the longer you can hold your breath.
And that was really cool to learn that level of
mindfulness and it's something I've been able to take into
the rest of my.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Life as well.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh man, have you ever watched the free diving on YouTube?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I have, and I've watched what's that is it called
the Deepest Breath?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I haven't watched many of the competitions, but I've seen
little clips here and there.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
It's pretty amazing. Huh.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh, It's it's kind of crazy, Like, yeah, I do
it to that level like we had We've had William
Troubridge on the show, who's a he's the only champion
freed over and like he would go to one hundred
meters with no fins or anything. Can you just imagine,
I just like imagine the head space you need to
be and yeah, well he just holds onto the rope. Yeah,
(11:22):
you can be pulled down, but he would just he
would peddle and then yeah, and then we clipped.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
To a rope. It's nuts, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I take it that given season two has been filmed
predominantly in London, right, you haven't needed to go to
such extremes to prepare for this.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
For this.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Apart from that sequence at the start with the sea
monster again that flashback sequence, there was a lot of
scuba diving and breath holding again that I had to
do for that, but otherwise quite a bit less horse
riding this time, which which is sad kind of but
also I'm bit grateful for horses are always scary. But yeah,
it's been more linguistic and that it's like a lot
(11:59):
more mental gymnastics because the scenes are quite long and
very intense, which is which has been a really cool experience.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think we can safely assume that your character's major
twist came in season one, but now being part of
the of the of the cast and the crew as
a film season two. Looking from the outside, did you
get any pages that were blank in your scripts? Like,
should we expect big twists coming for other characters?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
TSTs. I don't think I've got any blank pages.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But there are twists coming for sure, and I won't
tell you what they are. There is a couple really
good ones coming.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh fantastic. Well, we are delighted that you guys are back,
really excited to digest season two. Thank you so much
for giving us your time. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I appreciate yours. Thank you very much for having me.
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That is Rings of Power star Charlie Vickers and Lord
of the Rings. Rings of Power is streaming on Prime
Video Now with a new episode every week.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
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