January 17, 2025 • 11 mins
Flow
Winner of Best Animated Feature at the 2025 Golden Globes, this dialogue-free animal adventure centres on a cat who must work together with other species stuck on a boat after a flood devastates their home.
The world seems to be coming to an end, teeming with the vestiges of a human presence. Cat is a solitary animal, but as its home is devastated by a great flood, he finds refuge on a boat populated by various species, and will have to team up with them despite their differences. In the lonesome boat sailing through mystical overflowed landscapes, they navigate the challenges and dangers of adapting to this new world.
The Brutalist
Escaping postwar Europe, a visionary architect comes to America to rebuild his life, his career, and his marriage. On his own in a strange new country, he settles in Pennsylvania, where a wealthy and prominent industrialist recognises his talent.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at be right.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Joining me now to talk entertainment is Chris Schultz. Good morning,
Good morning, Francesca. As I mentioned, we've got a bit
of a theme today with our entertainment segment, we're talking
about Golden Globe winners, really because this is such a
great time to go to the movies. There's so much
on in so many fabulous films, and we're going to
start by talking about a film called Flow, which is
(00:34):
quite a unique animation that one best animated feature at
the Golden Globes. Or we don't have a trailer. You
know why we don't have a trailer, right.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Because there's no audio in it. There's no one it
says a single thing. That's what everyone needs to know
about this film. There's not a single word spoken. Yeah.
I found out about this film at because of its
Golden Globe when I had not heard a single thing
of it. I've heard about all the other kids films
that are on the movie s these holidays, Fusser, Silent
the Hedgehog, Paddington Iree. I've managed to miss all of those.
(01:05):
I'm very happy about it and then we went to
flow and you know what, this is delightful. This is
just the perfect kind of kids film for me. You
get swept up in this adventure. It's about a little
black cat and they've got its eyes just right, like
it looks like every kitten you've ever owned, you know,
like they've got this cat right, and it goes on
this adventure. It's in there's a bit of climate change
(01:27):
involved in this. The water is rising, it's trying to
get to higher ground constantly, and he this cat just
just finds a group of friends, which is what we
all want in life, right, And he goes on this
adventure with his friends. There's a lab, there's a cappy burrough,
there's a bird, there's a bunch of other dogs, and
that's kind of the film. But you just get kind
(01:47):
of it's kind of mesmerizing. You know, there's a lot
of background chirps and squawks and it's kind of hypnotic.
But yeah, I don't know, it just kind of sweeps
you up. My son right as fourteen years old, he's
currently watching Black Mirror on Netflix. He's been watching this
and he loved it. So want a school holiday film? Yeah, yeah,
(02:08):
just you can sort of The animation isn't perfect, right,
This is not like a Pixar movie, and I think
this is maybe one why it took out the Golden globes.
You can sort of see the animator's fingerprints on it.
It's not perfect. You know, the dog looks a little janky.
It's kind of makes it it's more endearing because of that.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I think it looked like a beautiful fable. I've only
seen the trailer, but I'm definitely going to go and
check it out. But it looks like this fable. As
you say, this journey that you kind of get what
was that? You won't remember it, you're too young, But
there was a film that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm sure that was the.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Incredible Journey?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Was that a book or a film about the same
sort of thing, a journey that there's animals, an animal
goes on and you kind of get caught up in it,
and there's all these little messages about life along the way.
And it sounds like this one is very much about
friendship and community, you know, connection and things.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I you know, what, do you remember possing Boots?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, the Shrek spin off? N I remember they got
that the Eye on that cat just right, Like you
know when it cats. You've got a kitten and it's
about to do something crazy and its eyes go jet black.
You know, you've got to get the eyes right in
these animations. And I think they've got this cat just right.
There's there's moments where it's playing and you can just
see its eyes kind of zone out, and it's like, oh, yeah,
they've nailed it. I don't know, there's something in those eyes.
(03:24):
I think that maybe that's.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's and I think we'll see this probably. I think
Oscar nominations about in the next week. I be very
surprised if this didn't get a nod.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well it's different, right, Like you know, you tell someone
there's no dialogue in a movie, do you really want
to go and see that? Sounds pretty strange. I don't
know if you want to spend nineteen minutes with a
film that has nothing to say.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
She's so we should cover that off. How what age
is it appropriate for? Might not? Would it probably wouldn't?
Would it entrance a five year old? Or do you
need to be a little bit older? Do you think
it's just so cute? Every kid is different, of course,
But well, like I.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Said, my son loved it, and this is not his
kind of film. But my daughter is right on to it.
She's eleven. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's just so cute.
It's so heartwarming. You know, if you've got a pet
at home, you'd probably love it. I just think, you know,
it's not full of like mad cap high jinks or
slapstick comedy or you know that kind of Paddington or
Peter Rabbit humor. There's none of that. It's just you
(04:22):
kind of want to know what happens next because there's
constantly constant little things happening all the way through it.
And yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It sounds called bundles and the first time that Latvia
has won a Golden Globe, because that's where the film
is from. It's a Latvian film. So there we go. Okay,
we're going to listen to the trailer for another film
that Chris and I spent two hundred and fifteen minutes,
which is approximately three and a half hours watching on
Wednesday night this week. Haven't listened to this? This is
(04:52):
the Brutalist. These are yours?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yes? Yes? Are them?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Tell me?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Why is an accomplished foreign architect shoveling coll.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I'm laughing that it is not so sick. This was
an extraordinary feat of filmmaking and film watching that was
undertaken with this film. We should explain to people. So
it's about three hours thirty five minutes long. I think
(05:29):
it has an in built fifteen minute interval in it
so that it's a compulsory interval which takes place, which
is actually perfect. It's about the one forty minute mark,
and it's when you do just want to get up
in stretch your legs, maybe pop to the bathroom, grab
something else to eat.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I am not take snacks. I desperately needed that fifteen minutes.
I went straight to that popcorn bar, loaded up on snacks.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You were so funny.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You got there and you had no idea it was
that long, and you were looking at us all going
did you know? Did you know? And I'm like, yeah, no,
I've eaten. It's like you go. So the first thing
you need to know about this film is go prepared.
Go prepared for the fact that this is an evening
like you were getting bang for your buck here. You
were going to see an ambitious, quite audacious, irrelatively small
budget film done on an epic scale.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, at that scale is just right, Like you go
through the full range of emotions, right, I felt anger, frustration,
I felt a lot of empathy. It's occasionally humorous, but
you know, people did laugh a bit in our screening.
This is about a Jewish immigrant who flees the Holocaust
(06:34):
Nazi Germany, goes to America and he has to start again.
He's left his wife behind, his niece. He's trying to
bring them back over for the first half of the film,
and so he meets Guy Piers, this rich guy who
finds out that he's a famous architect, and they embark
on what I can only describe as the worst episode
of grand Designs ever. This rich guy wants to build
(06:56):
a building in honor of his late mum, and he
gets this guy to do it, and it could all
fall apart at any moment. There's so many things that
could go wrong. I don't want to spoil those details,
but I guess that's where the drama comes from in
this film. But I think what this film subtly is.
You remember Tar from a couple of years back with
Kate Blanchett, Yes, underneath all that that was like a
(07:19):
love letter to conducting to opera. This kind of feels
the same way about architecture. It subtly just slides in
there that you know, like halfway through the film you
realize there's these long, lingering shots of like a chair
or a door or a bridge, and it makes you
see the world differently. This is a film about buildings
and angles and concrete and lines and dimensions, and you know,
(07:43):
you see all the drawings this guy's doing for the building,
and yeah, I don't know, that's what I've been left with.
I'm looking at the world differently, like after all of
those emotions have subsided. When I walk around the city,
I'm looking at the world differently.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It also explores how you go through something incredibly traumatic
and unimaginable and then try and put yourself back into
the world. And in a way, we have this architect
who was holding on to the fact that his buildings
survived in Europe.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That's why he helps them that way.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, and so they've survived, and he says, well, I
you know, they tried to exterminate me. You can't take
away everything I've contributed. And then we watch him try
and rebuild his life in a place where he doesn't
feel like he is welcome or that people understand what
they've been through, or that they have a sense of belonging.
So you've got this, you know, you've got this human
(08:40):
character who was very much adrift, really, don't you.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, let's say you're and Brodie's talent, right, Yeah, this
is the best role I think I've ever seen him in.
I haven't seen him for a while. I think it
was Succession last time, where he's just playing like a
rich tech guy. This he goes all in on this.
It's just such a good role for him. But also,
like I leaned over to you, I think and that
intormission and said, like, is this based on a real story?
Because it feels like tar right, it feels like this
(09:05):
person existed. It feels like this world existed and this
really did happen. It's not. It's entirely fictional, which is
also what makes it so audacious to make a three
and a half hour film about an architect, a Jewish architect,
living in America. It's mind boggling. And if you go
read the interviews what's the direct, you can hear what
he went through to try and get this made.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The other thing, which I think is stunning about this
film is the sound to it. It's almost like this
very tension filled horror film you're watching. There is this
sort of this beat that goes through it. These you know,
like the it just creates a whole nother You've got
(09:45):
a bit of melodrama kind of taking place with the
relationships between everybody, but there's this foreboding kind of the
soundtrack under it. It's unusual, isn't it. You know, like
if you go into this film, this is not your
normal mainstream blockbuster. It is a little bit different. Go
on a night where you've got time to really just
actually sit and be there and enjoy it. But it
(10:06):
isn't extraordinary experience.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You're going to experience something you're definitely going to have
feelings about it. You're not going to come out of
that and go eh, yeah, you know, you're going to
come out and you're going to be thinking about it
for sure. And I think that's that makes the movie
on its own a success, you know, like that is
surely the goal of a movie like this is to
make you think about things and see the world differently.
And it's had that effect on me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, and it gave me weird dreams, very weird. It's
very weird dreams. Hey, Chris, thank you so much and
appreciate you putting the dime and effort into going and
seeing that film to talk to us about it today.
It is in cinemas this Thursday. That's the twenty third.
That was The Brutalist, the film we were talking about
when best Best Drama, I think Best Director, and picked
(10:50):
up a third what was the third of the Golden Globes. Anyway,
I think it's going to be all over the Oscar
nominations next week. And the first film we spoke about
was Flow.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to news talks i'd be from nine am Saturday or
followed upon podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at be right.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Joining me now to talk entertainment is Chris Schultz. Good morning,
Good morning, Francesca. As I mentioned, we've got a bit
of a theme today with our entertainment segment, we're talking
about Golden Globe winners, really because this is such a
great time to go to the movies. There's so much
on in so many fabulous films, and we're going to
start by talking about a film called Flow, which is
(00:34):
quite a unique animation that one best animated feature at
the Golden Globes. Or we don't have a trailer. You
know why we don't have a trailer, right.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Because there's no audio in it. There's no one it
says a single thing. That's what everyone needs to know
about this film. There's not a single word spoken. Yeah.
I found out about this film at because of its
Golden Globe when I had not heard a single thing
of it. I've heard about all the other kids films
that are on the movie s these holidays, Fusser, Silent
the Hedgehog, Paddington Iree. I've managed to miss all of those.
(01:05):
I'm very happy about it and then we went to
flow and you know what, this is delightful. This is
just the perfect kind of kids film for me. You
get swept up in this adventure. It's about a little
black cat and they've got its eyes just right, like
it looks like every kitten you've ever owned, you know,
like they've got this cat right, and it goes on
this adventure. It's in there's a bit of climate change
(01:27):
involved in this. The water is rising, it's trying to
get to higher ground constantly, and he this cat just
just finds a group of friends, which is what we
all want in life, right, And he goes on this
adventure with his friends. There's a lab, there's a cappy burrough,
there's a bird, there's a bunch of other dogs, and
that's kind of the film. But you just get kind
(01:47):
of it's kind of mesmerizing. You know, there's a lot
of background chirps and squawks and it's kind of hypnotic.
But yeah, I don't know, it just kind of sweeps
you up. My son right as fourteen years old, he's
currently watching Black Mirror on Netflix. He's been watching this
and he loved it. So want a school holiday film? Yeah, yeah,
(02:08):
just you can sort of The animation isn't perfect, right,
This is not like a Pixar movie, and I think
this is maybe one why it took out the Golden globes.
You can sort of see the animator's fingerprints on it.
It's not perfect. You know, the dog looks a little janky.
It's kind of makes it it's more endearing because of that.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I think it looked like a beautiful fable. I've only
seen the trailer, but I'm definitely going to go and
check it out. But it looks like this fable. As
you say, this journey that you kind of get what
was that? You won't remember it, you're too young, But
there was a film that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm sure that was the.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Incredible Journey?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Was that?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Was that a book or a film about the same
sort of thing, a journey that there's animals, an animal
goes on and you kind of get caught up in it,
and there's all these little messages about life along the way.
And it sounds like this one is very much about
friendship and community, you know, connection and things.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I you know, what, do you remember possing Boots?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, the Shrek spin off? N I remember they got
that the Eye on that cat just right, Like you
know when it cats. You've got a kitten and it's
about to do something crazy and its eyes go jet black.
You know, you've got to get the eyes right in
these animations. And I think they've got this cat just right.
There's there's moments where it's playing and you can just
see its eyes kind of zone out, and it's like, oh, yeah,
they've nailed it. I don't know, there's something in those eyes.
(03:24):
I think that maybe that's.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's and I think we'll see this probably. I think
Oscar nominations about in the next week. I be very
surprised if this didn't get a nod.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well it's different, right, Like you know, you tell someone
there's no dialogue in a movie, do you really want
to go and see that? Sounds pretty strange. I don't
know if you want to spend nineteen minutes with a
film that has nothing to say.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
She's so we should cover that off. How what age
is it appropriate for? Might not? Would it probably wouldn't?
Would it entrance a five year old? Or do you
need to be a little bit older? Do you think
it's just so cute? Every kid is different, of course,
But well, like I.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Said, my son loved it, and this is not his
kind of film. But my daughter is right on to it.
She's eleven. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's just so cute.
It's so heartwarming. You know, if you've got a pet
at home, you'd probably love it. I just think, you know,
it's not full of like mad cap high jinks or
slapstick comedy or you know that kind of Paddington or
Peter Rabbit humor. There's none of that. It's just you
(04:22):
kind of want to know what happens next because there's
constantly constant little things happening all the way through it.
And yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
It sounds called bundles and the first time that Latvia
has won a Golden Globe, because that's where the film
is from. It's a Latvian film. So there we go. Okay,
we're going to listen to the trailer for another film
that Chris and I spent two hundred and fifteen minutes,
which is approximately three and a half hours watching on
Wednesday night this week. Haven't listened to this? This is
(04:52):
the Brutalist. These are yours?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yes? Yes? Are them?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Tell me?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Why is an accomplished foreign architect shoveling coll.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I'm laughing that it is not so sick. This was
an extraordinary feat of filmmaking and film watching that was
undertaken with this film. We should explain to people. So
it's about three hours thirty five minutes long. I think
(05:29):
it has an in built fifteen minute interval in it
so that it's a compulsory interval which takes place, which
is actually perfect. It's about the one forty minute mark,
and it's when you do just want to get up
in stretch your legs, maybe pop to the bathroom, grab
something else to eat.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I am not take snacks. I desperately needed that fifteen minutes.
I went straight to that popcorn bar, loaded up on snacks.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You were so funny.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You got there and you had no idea it was
that long, and you were looking at us all going
did you know? Did you know? And I'm like, yeah, no,
I've eaten. It's like you go. So the first thing
you need to know about this film is go prepared.
Go prepared for the fact that this is an evening
like you were getting bang for your buck here. You
were going to see an ambitious, quite audacious, irrelatively small
budget film done on an epic scale.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, at that scale is just right, Like you go
through the full range of emotions, right, I felt anger, frustration,
I felt a lot of empathy. It's occasionally humorous, but
you know, people did laugh a bit in our screening.
This is about a Jewish immigrant who flees the Holocaust
(06:34):
Nazi Germany, goes to America and he has to start again.
He's left his wife behind, his niece. He's trying to
bring them back over for the first half of the film,
and so he meets Guy Piers, this rich guy who
finds out that he's a famous architect, and they embark
on what I can only describe as the worst episode
of grand Designs ever. This rich guy wants to build
(06:56):
a building in honor of his late mum, and he
gets this guy to do it, and it could all
fall apart at any moment. There's so many things that
could go wrong. I don't want to spoil those details,
but I guess that's where the drama comes from in
this film. But I think what this film subtly is.
You remember Tar from a couple of years back with
Kate Blanchett, Yes, underneath all that that was like a
(07:19):
love letter to conducting to opera. This kind of feels
the same way about architecture. It subtly just slides in
there that you know, like halfway through the film you
realize there's these long, lingering shots of like a chair
or a door or a bridge, and it makes you
see the world differently. This is a film about buildings
and angles and concrete and lines and dimensions, and you know,
(07:43):
you see all the drawings this guy's doing for the building,
and yeah, I don't know, that's what I've been left with.
I'm looking at the world differently, like after all of
those emotions have subsided. When I walk around the city,
I'm looking at the world differently.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
It also explores how you go through something incredibly traumatic
and unimaginable and then try and put yourself back into
the world. And in a way, we have this architect
who was holding on to the fact that his buildings
survived in Europe.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That's why he helps them that way.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, and so they've survived, and he says, well, I
you know, they tried to exterminate me. You can't take
away everything I've contributed. And then we watch him try
and rebuild his life in a place where he doesn't
feel like he is welcome or that people understand what
they've been through, or that they have a sense of belonging.
So you've got this, you know, you've got this human
(08:40):
character who was very much adrift, really, don't you.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, let's say you're and Brodie's talent, right, Yeah, this
is the best role I think I've ever seen him in.
I haven't seen him for a while. I think it
was Succession last time, where he's just playing like a
rich tech guy. This he goes all in on this.
It's just such a good role for him. But also,
like I leaned over to you, I think and that
intormission and said, like, is this based on a real story?
Because it feels like tar right, it feels like this
(09:05):
person existed. It feels like this world existed and this
really did happen. It's not. It's entirely fictional, which is
also what makes it so audacious to make a three
and a half hour film about an architect, a Jewish architect,
living in America. It's mind boggling. And if you go
read the interviews what's the direct, you can hear what
he went through to try and get this made.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
The other thing, which I think is stunning about this
film is the sound to it. It's almost like this
very tension filled horror film you're watching. There is this
sort of this beat that goes through it. These you know,
like the it just creates a whole nother You've got
(09:45):
a bit of melodrama kind of taking place with the
relationships between everybody, but there's this foreboding kind of the
soundtrack under it. It's unusual, isn't it. You know, like
if you go into this film, this is not your
normal mainstream blockbuster. It is a little bit different. Go
on a night where you've got time to really just
actually sit and be there and enjoy it. But it
(10:06):
isn't extraordinary experience.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
You're going to experience something you're definitely going to have
feelings about it. You're not going to come out of
that and go eh, yeah, you know, you're going to
come out and you're going to be thinking about it
for sure. And I think that's that makes the movie
on its own a success, you know, like that is
surely the goal of a movie like this is to
make you think about things and see the world differently.
And it's had that effect on me.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, and it gave me weird dreams, very weird. It's
very weird dreams. Hey, Chris, thank you so much and
appreciate you putting the dime and effort into going and
seeing that film to talk to us about it today.
It is in cinemas this Thursday. That's the twenty third.
That was The Brutalist, the film we were talking about
when best Best Drama, I think Best Director, and picked
(10:50):
up a third what was the third of the Golden Globes. Anyway,
I think it's going to be all over the Oscar
nominations next week. And the first film we spoke about
was Flow.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to news talks i'd be from nine am Saturday or
followed upon podcast on iHeartRadio
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