March 14, 2025 • 7 mins
The era is coming to an end for Shihad as they perform one last time tonight at Wellington’s final Homegrown festival.
The iconic Kiwi rockband has been performing since 1988, but frontman Jon Toogood says they’ve been thinking about bringing it to an end for a while.
Chris Schulz attended their final Auckland concert last night, as well as their special show at the Powerstation on Wednesday, and has a few thoughts to share.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
I reckon. This has to be one of the best
rock songs ever written by a New Zealand band. It's
run By She Had? She Had? Of course, are breaking up?
Or are they? Maybe? I'm just telling myself hopefully that
in a couple of years the guys would get back together.
But no, at least the official line at the moment
is that tonight their performance at Homegrown and Wellington where
(01:01):
things began for them three and a half decades ago,
the Capital, that will be their performance. Chris Schultz though,
was it Spark Arena last night for the stadium spectacular?
She had? Second to last ever show and he's with
us this morning, killed her Jack? How was it?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It was everything you'd expect from a from a stadium
show by She Had. It was two songs from every album.
It was phones in the air, it was mosh pits balancing,
it was comfort Me and run. They played Run, Pacifier,
Wait and See Home Again, all of the anthems, everyone
on their feet, Pyro. I've never seen Pyro at she
Had show.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Yeah, lots of Pyro.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So it was that It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was the big stadium stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It wasn't the emotional Yeah, there wasn't really room for
the emotions to kick in. I think it was more afterwards.
It's more today, I think for me, especially that I'm
just sort of sitting here thinking, oh, we can't do
this again.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, so you or she head fan absolutely, okay, from
from from away back and maybe just for listeners, you
can explain to us that they've sort of gone through
a transition over the decades. Their sound has changed a bit.
There was that the time when they went to the
US that happened to come inside with the fallout from
nine to eleven, which was a time when having a
name like She hadn't it wasn't necessarily very very easy.
(02:18):
But yeah, they've gone through a bit of a journey totally.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
They started out as like these young metal kids with
mullets at Wellington High School. You know, their favorite acts
were like Ozzie Osborn and you know Black Sabbath, that
kind of thing. That's how they kicked things off they did.
I mean, they released the biggest album of their careers
in the mid nineties with the General Electric That's the
one everyone remembers for those big d out shows when
(02:41):
they owned that six pm slot. They were known for
just coming on and absolutely killing it at the big
day out. And then yes, they went on this bit
of a journey. They had this like weird thing with
the Passifire album, which they've since like reclaimed as she
had album. Yeah, and they lightened up a bit too,
like in the twenty ten there was a poppyar element
(03:02):
to it. And then they came back with Five Eyes
and Old Gods, two albums which are my favorite. She
had albums really so heavy, they're so brutal. They recorded
Five Eyes with jas Coleman and just fought the whole
time and you can hear it on that record. They
were my favorite moments last night. He's just huge, rumbling
basslines and just being pummeled by them, you know, like
(03:23):
it felt like that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So if they've had what teen albums, I think about
that and the last two are your favorite, what do
you think about the decision for them to break up?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Ridiculous? Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I think they haven't properly thought
this through. If you look at what's happening in the
current landscape right Metallica selling at Eden Park Oasis are
going on a world too. Of these bands that remind
us of simpler times when the world wasn't this complicated,
are just going off. They're re releasing their vinyl records
(03:54):
that you know, these splatter editions twentieth Anniversary and then
ninety five dollars. They are making money and you can't
get she Heads albums. I cannot get the general electric
on vinyl. You can't do this. They haven't done that,
so I think they've I don't know. I mean I
sat down with them yesterday right before the show, and
I asked them, are you sure? And they would not
(04:14):
answer that question. They would look at me. It got
really awkward. I might as well have chucked a dead
cat on the table.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I don't think they've fully thought this through. So look,
I don't think this is the end. I can totally
see them having a really big break yep. Maybe a
couple of years, yeah, for sure. But then you know,
I spoke to you about Electric Avenue a couple of
weeks ago. The biggest act I saw there were the Dudes. Yeah,
that fifty year old band. That festival was made for
a band like She had to come back in a
(04:41):
couple of years and just rock like the Big Day
out all.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Over here and absolutely crush it. Did you know, I've
got this kind of theory that I've asked a couple
of musics about it before, and I don't know, I've
never quite nailed the question. But I feel like rock music,
like rock performed by a three or four piece band,
has just kind of been through this really uncharacteristic dip
in the last ten years. Like it just hasn't like
bands haven't kind of held the place in global music
(05:07):
that they used to, Like there's been a real resurgence
of pop and hip hop and all of these other things.
But I reckon the tide is just starting to shift,
you know, everything is kind of cyclical, And I reckon
like you say that, like we're kind of heading back
into an era where people actually want to hear from
a group with you know, one or two guitarist, the
bassis and the drummer, a person screaming at the front
of the stage.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And yeah, last year's best show, by far best two
shows was pel Jam out at Mount Smart Stadium. Those
shows were so emotional. It was just after the election.
Eddie Vedder was just such a generous and kind front man,
and he just got us through that moment. Those shows
were incredible and yeah we don't. The thing I keep
(05:47):
thinking about is who steps up until she had places
where we don't have a band. Who can't do that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, not that moment, No.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That's time.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It totally is yeah, yeah, yeah, like you say, it
kind of spans generations. Like I was saying at the
start of this hourt you know, if you ask my
eight year old, who's your favorite band, he says she
had Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Like there you go.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's crazy. So the final show, Little Asterix there is
tonight Homegrown. What do you think people who are lucky
enough to see them perform tonight should expect.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I think it might be a little bit more like
the Power Station show I saw on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
This is a surprise show.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That was a quick fire show. They did not want
to leave the stage. They played for two and a
half hours, twenty seven songs encore after OnCore. You could
see they just didn't want it to be over. I think,
you know, homegrowns their home city. They'll have so many
friends and family there right who're right at the start,
It's going to be special. It's going to be really special.
I wish I was there, and I saw them twice
(06:44):
this week.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, man. I hope you I hope that you've
picked up on something and that maybe you know, they'll
revisit that decision in months or years to come. But
it sounds like last night was a pretty epic performance.
Wednesday was really intimate and amazing, and I'm sure tonight
will be amazing too. Thank you so much, Chris, really
appreciate it. Chris Shultz, who's been lucky enough to be
at two of the three of Art's final performances. This week,
(07:08):
we'll dig out Well, one of everyone's favorites to play
out the show in a couple of minutes from She
had a head of that homegrown performance. Right now, it
is eight minutes to twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
from news Talks at b.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I reckon. This has to be one of the best
rock songs ever written by a New Zealand band. It's
run By She Had? She Had? Of course, are breaking up?
Or are they? Maybe? I'm just telling myself hopefully that
in a couple of years the guys would get back together.
But no, at least the official line at the moment
is that tonight their performance at Homegrown and Wellington where
(01:01):
things began for them three and a half decades ago,
the Capital, that will be their performance. Chris Schultz though,
was it Spark Arena last night for the stadium spectacular?
She had? Second to last ever show and he's with
us this morning, killed her Jack? How was it?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It was everything you'd expect from a from a stadium
show by She Had. It was two songs from every album.
It was phones in the air, it was mosh pits balancing,
it was comfort Me and run. They played Run, Pacifier,
Wait and See Home Again, all of the anthems, everyone
on their feet, Pyro. I've never seen Pyro at she
Had show.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Yeah, lots of Pyro.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So it was that It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It was the big stadium stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It wasn't the emotional Yeah, there wasn't really room for
the emotions to kick in. I think it was more afterwards.
It's more today, I think for me, especially that I'm
just sort of sitting here thinking, oh, we can't do
this again.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, so you or she head fan absolutely, okay, from
from from away back and maybe just for listeners, you
can explain to us that they've sort of gone through
a transition over the decades. Their sound has changed a bit.
There was that the time when they went to the
US that happened to come inside with the fallout from
nine to eleven, which was a time when having a
name like She hadn't it wasn't necessarily very very easy.
(02:18):
But yeah, they've gone through a bit of a journey totally.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
They started out as like these young metal kids with
mullets at Wellington High School. You know, their favorite acts
were like Ozzie Osborn and you know Black Sabbath, that
kind of thing. That's how they kicked things off they did.
I mean, they released the biggest album of their careers
in the mid nineties with the General Electric That's the
one everyone remembers for those big d out shows when
(02:41):
they owned that six pm slot. They were known for
just coming on and absolutely killing it at the big
day out. And then yes, they went on this bit
of a journey. They had this like weird thing with
the Passifire album, which they've since like reclaimed as she
had album. Yeah, and they lightened up a bit too,
like in the twenty ten there was a poppyar element
(03:02):
to it. And then they came back with Five Eyes
and Old Gods, two albums which are my favorite. She
had albums really so heavy, they're so brutal. They recorded
Five Eyes with jas Coleman and just fought the whole
time and you can hear it on that record. They
were my favorite moments last night. He's just huge, rumbling
basslines and just being pummeled by them, you know, like
(03:23):
it felt like that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So if they've had what teen albums, I think about
that and the last two are your favorite, what do
you think about the decision for them to break up?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Ridiculous? Absolutely ridiculous. Now, I think they haven't properly thought
this through. If you look at what's happening in the
current landscape right Metallica selling at Eden Park Oasis are
going on a world too. Of these bands that remind
us of simpler times when the world wasn't this complicated,
are just going off. They're re releasing their vinyl records
(03:54):
that you know, these splatter editions twentieth Anniversary and then
ninety five dollars. They are making money and you can't
get she Heads albums. I cannot get the general electric
on vinyl. You can't do this. They haven't done that,
so I think they've I don't know. I mean I
sat down with them yesterday right before the show, and
I asked them, are you sure? And they would not
(04:14):
answer that question. They would look at me. It got
really awkward. I might as well have chucked a dead
cat on the table.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I don't think they've fully thought this through. So look,
I don't think this is the end. I can totally
see them having a really big break yep. Maybe a
couple of years, yeah, for sure. But then you know,
I spoke to you about Electric Avenue a couple of
weeks ago. The biggest act I saw there were the Dudes. Yeah,
that fifty year old band. That festival was made for
a band like She had to come back in a
(04:41):
couple of years and just rock like the Big Day
out all.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Over here and absolutely crush it. Did you know, I've
got this kind of theory that I've asked a couple
of musics about it before, and I don't know, I've
never quite nailed the question. But I feel like rock music,
like rock performed by a three or four piece band,
has just kind of been through this really uncharacteristic dip
in the last ten years. Like it just hasn't like
bands haven't kind of held the place in global music
(05:07):
that they used to, Like there's been a real resurgence
of pop and hip hop and all of these other things.
But I reckon the tide is just starting to shift,
you know, everything is kind of cyclical, And I reckon
like you say that, like we're kind of heading back
into an era where people actually want to hear from
a group with you know, one or two guitarist, the
bassis and the drummer, a person screaming at the front
of the stage.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And yeah, last year's best show, by far best two
shows was pel Jam out at Mount Smart Stadium. Those
shows were so emotional. It was just after the election.
Eddie Vedder was just such a generous and kind front man,
and he just got us through that moment. Those shows
were incredible and yeah we don't. The thing I keep
(05:47):
thinking about is who steps up until she had places
where we don't have a band. Who can't do that?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, not that moment, No.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
That's time.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It totally is yeah, yeah, yeah, like you say, it
kind of spans generations. Like I was saying at the
start of this hourt you know, if you ask my
eight year old, who's your favorite band, he says she
had Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Like there you go.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's crazy. So the final show, Little Asterix there is
tonight Homegrown. What do you think people who are lucky
enough to see them perform tonight should expect.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I think it might be a little bit more like
the Power Station show I saw on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
This is a surprise show.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That was a quick fire show. They did not want
to leave the stage. They played for two and a
half hours, twenty seven songs encore after OnCore. You could
see they just didn't want it to be over. I think,
you know, homegrowns their home city. They'll have so many
friends and family there right who're right at the start,
It's going to be special. It's going to be really special.
I wish I was there, and I saw them twice
(06:44):
this week.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, man. I hope you I hope that you've
picked up on something and that maybe you know, they'll
revisit that decision in months or years to come. But
it sounds like last night was a pretty epic performance.
Wednesday was really intimate and amazing, and I'm sure tonight
will be amazing too. Thank you so much, Chris, really
appreciate it. Chris Shultz, who's been lucky enough to be
at two of the three of Art's final performances. This week,
(07:08):
we'll dig out Well, one of everyone's favorites to play
out the show in a couple of minutes from She
had a head of that homegrown performance. Right now, it
is eight minutes to twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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