November 7, 2025 • 8 mins
Bugonia
Two conspiracy-obsessed men kidnap the CEO of a major company when they become convinced that she's an alien who wants to destroy Earth.
Ballad of a Small Player
When his past and his debts start to catch up with him, a high-stakes gambler laying low in Macau encounters a kindred spirit who might just hold the key to his salvation.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Twenty three to ten on News Talks, it'd be That's
Benny that songs called Cinnamon So Hot off supporting the
tours of global pop stars Olivia Rodrigo and Tate McCrae.
She's just released album number two. It's a nice little,
nice little.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Number, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thanks V messages. Jack says, regarding your.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Comments on Michelin Star restaurants this morning, Jack, so true.
It is about the people and the moments and enjoying
great food together. Yeah, that's the thing about really good meals.
They're kind of the vehicle for great memories with friends
or family. Like that's that that they're kind of the
door or the realm through which you have those memories.
(01:06):
He thanks for that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So ninety two ninety two If you want to send
us a message.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Francisca Rudkins, she's a big fan of Michelin Star restaurants.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I don't think I've ever been to one.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Really, no, never. Is it the sort of thing you
would if you if the Michelin starts. So they've got
the Michelin Star restaurants coming here. So would you look
at the list of Michelin Star restaurants and would that
affect that If I.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Was traveling and there was one place I'd really wanted
to go, then I would try and book. I mean,
obviously a lot of times you need to book into
these places months and months in advance, so I might
pick one, try and pick one place and do a
special meal. But I think when I'm traveling, it's often
more about the you're trying to find some.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Food.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You're just trying to find sort of quite authentic, affordable food,
to be honest with you, That's the way I travel.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But what about if it's in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I think it's fantastic for the our local chefs. I
think they're amazing. And if they're going to be recognized
on an international level and it brings more people into
into our restaurants and it gives them some you know,
could then I think it's great. I don't understand why
it costs six point three million to bring it here,
but never mind.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yes, I feel like that'd be good to explore, Like
how do you get a job with the Michelin people? Like,
how can it be your job just to roll around
and do that. That seems like a nice little.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, you know, without anyone knowing, without anyone knowing who
you are and harassing you or anything.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right there.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, anyway, two films for us this week, so we're
going to start off with one that is showing in cinemas.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
This is Bougonna.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Welcome to the headquarters of your Human Resistance. Where's my hair?
Your hair has been destroyed to prevent you from contacting
your ship? What ship? Your mother ship?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
D day?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So have you a you a fan of yours? Lantimos,
the Greek author of the Greek filmmaker, Sorry, I don't
think the favorite Poor Things like a lot of people
watch Poor Things when it started, it came on to
streaming services. I think I might have even been on
TV and sit at one point, and most people I
know who started watching it said I couldn't finish it.
It isn't a quiet takee. He is a unique He's
(03:09):
an auteur as opposed to just a film direct so
you know, he's got his own vision in his own
way of telling stories, and he doesn't quite disive it
can be quite divisive. He likes to mix comedy and
horror and tragedy. He likes his actors to perform in
quite a dead pan way, in quite a detached manner,
and then there'll be these sudden moments of violence or absurdity.
(03:31):
Often it can be quite bleak, but he does. Look
he sort of depicts the human condition in society and
things in such a unique way. I'll always catch one
of his films. Some I love more like the ones
that he has co written written himself. I think a
really cohesive like Dog Tooth, The Killing of the Sacred
Deer and The Lobster. Huge fan of.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh I saw the Lobster.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah yeah, huge fan of. And then of course he
became very well like, yeah, no, this is the thing.
He's weird. So and then he became very well known
with The Favorite, which started Olivia Coleman and got all
the Oscar nominations. So that's sort of you know. Anyway,
So he is back with this new film once again
starring Emma Stone who appeared in Poor Thing, and I
think she is just really proving how fabulous she is
(04:11):
as an actress and what she can do in things
that One's another is it fil which is a little
bit quirky. Look it's looking at the division in the
world today. It's looking at kind of lone wolfs and
conspiracy theorists and the fact that we don't listen to
each other anymore, and there's kind of corporate greed and vole.
So we've got this lovely character, Teddy played by Jesse Plemmons,
(04:34):
and along with his disabled cousin Don, they believe that
this person, Michelle Fuller played by Emma Stone, the CEO
of a large pharmaceutical pharmaceutical company, is actually an alien
spy who has come to Earth to destroy humans, and
that she is going to be able to talk to
her emperor, to her boss and a couple of days
(04:56):
time when there is a lunar eclipse and they kidnap
her in order to hold her, you know, to ransom
that she convinces the emperor not to destroy humans. So
it's a little bit nutty. It's a little bit fatty.
He is a factory worker. He works in one of
her factories. It's clear there's been a lot of trauma
(05:17):
in his life. A cop turns up to apologize for
something he did to him in childhood and he's very
blaxed about it. So there's some clear signs that you know,
he's had a lot to deal with in his life. Michelle,
on the other hand, is great because at first she's
she's full on. She is cold and clinical, and she
is all about, you know, the company and making money.
(05:38):
And so she's said, you know that the company had
a bit of bad press about you know, that people
workouts and how horrible it was to work. So she says,
she starts this new memory. She says, it's okay, I
would like you all to finish work at five o'clock
if you think you've deserved it, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Like, so she's great.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
So she's really cold and cynical. When she's kidnapped, she
realizes that she doesn't know what they're talking about, right,
and then she realizes that maybe the best thing to
do is just to go along with these two and
that will help her escape and things, and off we go.
And the film is really clever because our sympathy is
kind of switch allegiances between these characters. You know, are
we kind of you know we with Michelle or maybe
we're deady now and ok so it's really interesting. But
(06:15):
this film was all about the ending and that you
will either love it or you will hate it and
it is polarizing people an awful lot. I thought it
was brave and audacious and the film needed it. I
loved it. But people are some people are absolutely hating it.
So you have to go and sit through this quirky
thing and make up your own mind.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sounds very interesting indeed, all right. So that is Bogonia
that's showing in cinemas at the moment on Netflix. This
is ballad of a small player.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Macau, gambling capital of the universe.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, card games can change your life in an insta.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
My name is Doyle, Lord Doyle, and Lord Doyle sounds
awfully like Colin Farrell.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It is, That's exactly how it is. And I was
drawn to this film on Netflix because I went to
Macaw I think when I was a teenager in the
mid late eighties.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No, my parents like to take us to interesting places
and I can remember it very very clearly, this Portuguese
influence and the gambling and the small casinos and things,
and of course I wouldn't recognize it now because it
is the Vegas of Asia, and so I was intrigued
to watch this film. And we are set very much
within the casino world and it's both glamorous and not
(07:36):
so glamorous. And we see this. We see Macaw through
the eyes of Lord Doyle, who's a professional gambler. He's
hit rock bottom. He owes a lot of money to
a hotel, he's sang in and casinos and credit lenders
and things. But he believes that you can't keep losing.
At some point statistically he has to win, right So
if you can just get that win, he'll be okay
(07:57):
till the Swinton turns up as Betty, a character I
couldn't quite get my head around. She's quite cartoonish and
she's clearly chasing him for some debts that he owes
in the us K as well. And it's pretty obvious
from the beginning that Lord Doyle isn't quite who he
thinks and says he is. So this all sort of unrevels,
But it's really the story of a man who kind
of at rock bottom, sort of discovers he has a
(08:20):
conscience and wants to kind of do the right thing
and redeem himself somehow. I've got a bit lost in
this film, to be honest with you, I thought it
was a little overwrought. It's very stylized visually. I've got
a bit sick of just seeing Colin Farrell sweating a lot,
you know, you know, it was just it all just
felt like everything had just been pushed, and I think
that's what it's supposed to do. I think they're trying
to push everything up.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But he's a lost soul.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Unfortunately, I just didn't really care too much for him.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Very good. That is Ballad of a Small Player. So
that one's on Netflix, Bogonia is.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
In cinemas now, and all the details for those films
are going to be on the News Talks.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He'd be website for more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame.
Listen live to News Talks he'd be from nine am Saturday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
from News Talks at b.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Twenty three to ten on News Talks, it'd be That's
Benny that songs called Cinnamon So Hot off supporting the
tours of global pop stars Olivia Rodrigo and Tate McCrae.
She's just released album number two. It's a nice little,
nice little.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Number, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Thanks V messages. Jack says, regarding your.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Comments on Michelin Star restaurants this morning, Jack, so true.
It is about the people and the moments and enjoying
great food together. Yeah, that's the thing about really good meals.
They're kind of the vehicle for great memories with friends
or family. Like that's that that they're kind of the
door or the realm through which you have those memories.
(01:06):
He thanks for that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So ninety two ninety two If you want to send
us a message.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Francisca Rudkins, she's a big fan of Michelin Star restaurants.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I don't think I've ever been to one.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Really, no, never. Is it the sort of thing you
would if you if the Michelin starts. So they've got
the Michelin Star restaurants coming here. So would you look
at the list of Michelin Star restaurants and would that
affect that If I.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Was traveling and there was one place I'd really wanted
to go, then I would try and book. I mean,
obviously a lot of times you need to book into
these places months and months in advance, so I might
pick one, try and pick one place and do a
special meal. But I think when I'm traveling, it's often
more about the you're trying to find some.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Food.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You're just trying to find sort of quite authentic, affordable food,
to be honest with you, That's the way I travel.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But what about if it's in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I think it's fantastic for the our local chefs. I
think they're amazing. And if they're going to be recognized
on an international level and it brings more people into
into our restaurants and it gives them some you know,
could then I think it's great. I don't understand why
it costs six point three million to bring it here,
but never mind.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yes, I feel like that'd be good to explore, Like
how do you get a job with the Michelin people? Like,
how can it be your job just to roll around
and do that. That seems like a nice little.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, you know, without anyone knowing, without anyone knowing who
you are and harassing you or anything.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right there.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, anyway, two films for us this week, so we're
going to start off with one that is showing in cinemas.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
This is Bougonna.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Welcome to the headquarters of your Human Resistance. Where's my hair?
Your hair has been destroyed to prevent you from contacting
your ship? What ship? Your mother ship?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
D day?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So have you a you a fan of yours? Lantimos,
the Greek author of the Greek filmmaker, Sorry, I don't
think the favorite Poor Things like a lot of people
watch Poor Things when it started, it came on to
streaming services. I think I might have even been on
TV and sit at one point, and most people I
know who started watching it said I couldn't finish it.
It isn't a quiet takee. He is a unique He's
(03:09):
an auteur as opposed to just a film direct so
you know, he's got his own vision in his own
way of telling stories, and he doesn't quite disive it
can be quite divisive. He likes to mix comedy and
horror and tragedy. He likes his actors to perform in
quite a dead pan way, in quite a detached manner,
and then there'll be these sudden moments of violence or absurdity.
(03:31):
Often it can be quite bleak, but he does. Look
he sort of depicts the human condition in society and
things in such a unique way. I'll always catch one
of his films. Some I love more like the ones
that he has co written written himself. I think a
really cohesive like Dog Tooth, The Killing of the Sacred
Deer and The Lobster. Huge fan of.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh I saw the Lobster.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah yeah, huge fan of. And then of course he
became very well like, yeah, no, this is the thing.
He's weird. So and then he became very well known
with The Favorite, which started Olivia Coleman and got all
the Oscar nominations. So that's sort of you know. Anyway,
So he is back with this new film once again
starring Emma Stone who appeared in Poor Thing, and I
think she is just really proving how fabulous she is
(04:11):
as an actress and what she can do in things
that One's another is it fil which is a little
bit quirky. Look it's looking at the division in the
world today. It's looking at kind of lone wolfs and
conspiracy theorists and the fact that we don't listen to
each other anymore, and there's kind of corporate greed and vole.
So we've got this lovely character, Teddy played by Jesse Plemmons,
(04:34):
and along with his disabled cousin Don, they believe that
this person, Michelle Fuller played by Emma Stone, the CEO
of a large pharmaceutical pharmaceutical company, is actually an alien
spy who has come to Earth to destroy humans, and
that she is going to be able to talk to
her emperor, to her boss and a couple of days
(04:56):
time when there is a lunar eclipse and they kidnap
her in order to hold her, you know, to ransom
that she convinces the emperor not to destroy humans. So
it's a little bit nutty. It's a little bit fatty.
He is a factory worker. He works in one of
her factories. It's clear there's been a lot of trauma
(05:17):
in his life. A cop turns up to apologize for
something he did to him in childhood and he's very
blaxed about it. So there's some clear signs that you know,
he's had a lot to deal with in his life. Michelle,
on the other hand, is great because at first she's
she's full on. She is cold and clinical, and she
is all about, you know, the company and making money.
(05:38):
And so she's said, you know that the company had
a bit of bad press about you know, that people
workouts and how horrible it was to work. So she says,
she starts this new memory. She says, it's okay, I
would like you all to finish work at five o'clock
if you think you've deserved it, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Like, so she's great.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
So she's really cold and cynical. When she's kidnapped, she
realizes that she doesn't know what they're talking about, right,
and then she realizes that maybe the best thing to
do is just to go along with these two and
that will help her escape and things, and off we go.
And the film is really clever because our sympathy is
kind of switch allegiances between these characters. You know, are
we kind of you know we with Michelle or maybe
we're deady now and ok so it's really interesting. But
(06:15):
this film was all about the ending and that you
will either love it or you will hate it and
it is polarizing people an awful lot. I thought it
was brave and audacious and the film needed it. I
loved it. But people are some people are absolutely hating it.
So you have to go and sit through this quirky
thing and make up your own mind.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sounds very interesting indeed, all right. So that is Bogonia
that's showing in cinemas at the moment on Netflix. This
is ballad of a small player.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Macau, gambling capital of the universe.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, card games can change your life in an insta.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
My name is Doyle, Lord Doyle, and Lord Doyle sounds
awfully like Colin Farrell.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It is, That's exactly how it is. And I was
drawn to this film on Netflix because I went to
Macaw I think when I was a teenager in the
mid late eighties.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No, my parents like to take us to interesting places
and I can remember it very very clearly, this Portuguese
influence and the gambling and the small casinos and things,
and of course I wouldn't recognize it now because it
is the Vegas of Asia, and so I was intrigued
to watch this film. And we are set very much
within the casino world and it's both glamorous and not
(07:36):
so glamorous. And we see this. We see Macaw through
the eyes of Lord Doyle, who's a professional gambler. He's
hit rock bottom. He owes a lot of money to
a hotel, he's sang in and casinos and credit lenders
and things. But he believes that you can't keep losing.
At some point statistically he has to win, right So
if you can just get that win, he'll be okay
(07:57):
till the Swinton turns up as Betty, a character I
couldn't quite get my head around. She's quite cartoonish and
she's clearly chasing him for some debts that he owes
in the us K as well. And it's pretty obvious
from the beginning that Lord Doyle isn't quite who he
thinks and says he is. So this all sort of unrevels,
But it's really the story of a man who kind
of at rock bottom, sort of discovers he has a
(08:20):
conscience and wants to kind of do the right thing
and redeem himself somehow. I've got a bit lost in
this film, to be honest with you, I thought it
was a little overwrought. It's very stylized visually. I've got
a bit sick of just seeing Colin Farrell sweating a lot,
you know, you know, it was just it all just
felt like everything had just been pushed, and I think
that's what it's supposed to do. I think they're trying
to push everything up.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But he's a lost soul.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Unfortunately, I just didn't really care too much for him.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Very good. That is Ballad of a Small Player. So
that one's on Netflix, Bogonia is.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
In cinemas now, and all the details for those films
are going to be on the News Talks.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
He'd be website for more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame.
Listen live to News Talks he'd be from nine am Saturday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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