Full Show Podcast: 01 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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B jud and New Zeela. Good morning and welcome to

(00:45):
News Talks ed B. I'm Jack Tam with you through
the midday, and here is a warning. I am in
a bad mood. I've woken up on the wrong side
of the bead this morning. Actually, no, no, I haven't
woken up on the wrong side of the bed. Thing.
Actually woke up on the right side of the bead,
my baby, would you believe? Slip through the five thirty
I woke up. It was a beautiful, still morning, not

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a cloud in the sky, the sun shining hallelujah, I thought,
enjoyed a nice coffee, and then I stepped outside my
front door, only to be confronted with a horror like scene.
Blood guts gore all over my front porch. Three dead birds,

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three all of them looking like they had been through
the ringer to say the least. Now, we don't have
a cat at our place. We don't have a cat,
so one of the neighborhood cats must have been responsible
to this I had to leave the baby, who was
now crying inside the house for a couple of minutes
while I went out and scooped up these poor creatures

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that had been left for us. If you are a
pet owner, if you are a cat owner and you
let your cat roam at night without one of those
little bells, with nothing to stop it round going disturbing
the local birds, you are irresponsible, and you are selfish,
and you are a bad neighbor. There I've said it
really upsetting to see that kind of thing. No one
wants that, literally, no one wants that. So if you

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are a cat owner and you let your cat roam, don't. Fortunately,
we've got a great show today, cracking show, absolute cracking
show for you, which'll lift everyone's spirits, I think, except
for those poor three birds. Well, I'll be soaring for
the rest of the morning. Before ten o'clock, our cook
is in with a delicious sounding, incredibly easy blueberry and

(02:32):
lemon loaf cake recipe. She'll be sharing that with us shortly.
We've got your film picks for the week before ten o'clock,
and then after ten our feature interview this morning friend
of the show, the Governess, and he Gety from the
Chase is going to be with us. She's not talking
the Chase UK, she is talking about her experience on
The Chase New Zealand. They have shot a couple of

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special episodes that are going to be screening in a
few days time. Paul Henry, of course, as the host
of The Chase New Zealand, So and Higety from the
Chase is our feature interview after ten o'clock this morning.
She's been on the show before a couple of years ago.
Now it is so good to have her back. She
is such a character, so really really looking forward to
that right now. It's nine past nine, jackdam If you're

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anything like me, the moment you saw that the world's
most famous art gallery had been robbed of the French
Crown jewels, one thing immediately came to mind. I mean,
it's silly, really, because at the end of the day,

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it's a crime, right, it is a crime, and it
is a serious crime. Nevertheless, for whatever reason, it's just
hard to totally ignore the audacity and the romance of
it all. After all, what's the difference between a robbery
and a heist? Whatever it is that distinguishes those words robbery,

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and heist. There is something seductive. We were told the
thieves were organized, right, we were told that they were efficient.
We were told they used specialist equipment. And I don't
know about you, but I kind of imagined a Tom
Cruise like figure firing a grappling hook out of a

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special gun, repelling from the ceiling acrobatically navigating a room
of invisible lasers, any of which, if broken, would immediately
trigger an alarm, shut down the windows and exits, and
a carbon dioxide pump that would starve the room of
oxygen and suffogate the thieves where they stood. Alas, as

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more detail has emerged over the last two weeks, it's
become clear the Louver heist was less mission impossible and
more mission to might attend that specialist equipment we were
told about that the thieves used, Yeah, it was a
plain old over the counter angle grinder, kind of like
the secondhand makita that I've gotten my tools covered at home.

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I've never thought about it before, But the problem with
publicly displaying crown jewels worth tens or hundreds of millions
of dollars is that security in the display cases can
only go so far. So as well as being really
hard to open for potential thieves in the event of

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the fire. The cases need to be openable in a
few seconds, so they need to be both super secure
but also super accessible. What could possibly go wrong? What
the thieves seemed to have worked out is that using
an axe or a hammer was a bad idea in

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the louver that would have potentially taken hundreds of blows
to break through and get the goods. But the museum's
own fire fighting handbook reportedly lays out the best course
of action for anyone quickly wanting to access the louvers
secure display cases. You don't smash, you can't. Although they

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have now made a series of arrests, lessons abound for
the French authorities. It's shocking they had such poor security
camera coverage around the museum, But as more and more
detail comes to light, I reckon there is a valuable
lesson in this for all of us. The disguises the
thieves weren't in military fatigues. They weren't dressed in all black.

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They weren't wearing crazy masks like the ones in Money Heist.
They were wearing the universal uniform of authority, the good
old High viz vest. It is a great irony, isn't it.
The great irony is that a garment designed to be
seen has become so ubiquitous we now don't see it

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even when it's being worn by thieves in broad daylight,
stealing some of the most valuable jewelry in the world.
The Paris police, who had cameras trained on the area
where the thieves parked their truck, sheepishly admitted this week
that no one paid any attention to the men on
the video feed. Why well, in their hiver's vests, they

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just looked like a regular construction crew, said a police spokesperson.
In Paris, like most cities, has heaps of construction. It
looks increasingly likely the men will not get away with
their theft, and though clearly they were organized, this was
hardly the perfect crime. They dropped some of the jewels
and left heaps of the evidence at the scene. They

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tried to burn the truck, but the gas tank wouldn't catch.
The big question now is whether or not the jewels
are still intact. Still. These thieves have proved one thing
for the biggest height, for the biggest heist at the
world's most famous museum, in more than one hundred years,
so the biggest heist since the Mona Lisa was pinched

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from the Louver way back in nineteen eleven. You only
need three things. Number one, a charge battery for your
angle grinder. Number two, an air of confidence and purpose,
and number three, most importantly, a high is vest. Jack
Tab ninety two ninety two is our text number if

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you want to send us a message this morning. Jacket
Newstalks dB dot co dot in Z is the email
address if you are going to text me. Don't forget
that standard text costs apply. We're going to get us
Sportos thoughts on the black Caps chances this afternoon. In
a couple of minutes, Kevin Milman will kick us off
for us Saturday Morning together. Next, I'm Jack Tam. It's
Saturday morning, It's quarter past nine, and this is Newstalgs EDB.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks V.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Eighteen past nine on News Talks V. Thank you very
much for your feedback this morning. Jack. They missed one thing,
says Danny. The thieves in Paris that had road cones,
they would have smashed it no one ever would have looked. Yeah,
you might be right on that front, Danny. Regarding birds,
Jack could be local kids for Halloween, says Steve. And Jack.
The wind is responsible for many, many poor little baby

(09:20):
birds being on the ground, says Lorna. I don't want
to go into too much detail for you guys this morning,
but no, these were well, if these were left by kids,
then we need to call the authorities because we've got
some psychopaths on our hands. The birds were relatively mature,
and they were in bits. It's probably all I need
to say. I needed to go and get the broom

(09:40):
and shovel because the entire kind of front patio area
had various bits and pieces all over it. Jack Well
said on the cats, they should have been locked up
at night, or at the very least made to wear
a bell. It's not right to have open season on
birds through our cats. And Jack, I completely agree with
you on the thoughts of irresponsible cat owners. I don't
know how we're in twenty twenty five and there are
still cats roaming around without bells. Let's start a campaign,

(10:03):
says Lizzie. Thanks for that, I'll get tomorrow feedback in
a few minutes if you want to send us a text.
Ninety two ninety two is our text number. This morning,
Kevin mill is here with us this morning. Our to Maddy.
You're good morning, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Good morning Jack. I don't want to continue the bad news.
But we had our puppy said cast ready yesterday.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Oh well no, Actually, you know what, Kevin, You know
what it is different because you are being a responsible
pet owner. That that is a responsible thing to do
as a peed owner. And my concern is with irresponsible
pet owners.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I just hope in years to come, people won't look
back and say, you know, you know, back in the
back in the twenty twenties, people used to have their
dogs castrated.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
What a bloody cruel thing to do.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
I hope that doesn't happen. Well, I mean, why can't
dogs have the sect?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
To me, so like the rest of us, Well.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Not like well, you're asking asking the wrong man here,
give it? Yeah, I mean I have no easier Well,
I look, I am if you are an expert on
the anatomy and can compare the anatomy of a dog
and a human, by all means, give us a call.
I would love to know. That's a very good question, Kevin,

(11:15):
and one for which I'm sure there is an answer.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, and he's swearing around this thing that looks like
a road cone.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Oh yeah, over, Oh yeah, the old cone shame. It's
the cone of shame. Is a tough one, isn't it,
especially when they're a bobbly from the you know, the
anesthetic wears off and that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Hey, Kevin,
you want to talk about two of my favorite things
this morning? Cheese and ice cream?

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Well, I remember in the nineteen eighties there was a
little shop near where we lived here in Cavity. It
was a busy little boutique which sold locally made cheese
and ice cream. We were very proud of the place
because it called its Poducts Carpody our name, and those
products were top class with growth. That was what about

(12:01):
by its own success. Carpety Cheeses was then merged with
a milk company and acquired by Food Stuffs to form
Carbonty Fine Foods. Coverty Fine Foods moved to a large
factory and Carboies Toroto industrial area.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
We locals were pleased.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
The whole of New Zealand could now enjoy products made
on our doorstep. Besides, there was still a shop we
could wander and too and stock up on cheese specials
at ridiculously low factory prices. Then Fonterra bought Coverty Fine
Foods off food Stuffs. The ice cream brand was taken
over by Tiptop and Auckland, its license subsequently sold to

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global ice cream giant Franeri, and the Carbody cheese operation
was moved out of Carboty altogether to Weltam and Taranaki.
The locals did not like that, as we know this week,
the Carbony brand's part of a bundle of Kiweed dairy
classics being sold to French dairy company Lac Talis for

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a ported four point two billion dollars. Coincidentally, if you
go up to Roto Drive and Cabty this week, you'll
see the old Carboty cheese factory being torn apart, dismantled,
cutting the last link between the Kapiti brand and the
Cavity region itself. I don't know enough to question the

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business sense of selling classic Kiwi brands like Anker or Carvety,
but a sense that Cavity locals are disappointed, saddened by
it all now an interesting question emerges. Is Carvity the
region owed anything by Cavity, the brand, which one assumes
will continue to carry the Carvity name and image of

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its famous island worldwide by the French.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a tricky one to think, Keavin, I
really have you know, I sort of have mixed feelings
about the sale's I mean, it's kind of you know,
it's it's funny you think about you think about some
of the other I think about some of the other
big products that I really like, and the sales that
have happened over the years, you know, like breweries that

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have been sold to the you know, independent breweries that
have been sold to the big players, and that kind
of thing. And even in occasions where they've promised that
nothing's going to change. Usually the reason that these things
are bought because the new owners think that they can
find some efficiencies somewhere and they can improve the profits somewhere,
and often that comes at a cost to the consumer.

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But I suppose it's an extra dimension when you literally
have Carpety in the image of the island as the
central part of the brand.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yes, yes, yes, I know.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
There's a lot of strong feeling, particularly among Mari in
this region, and there were lots I believe, and I
don't know this, but I believe there was a lot
of commitments made by made by the various Fonterra when
they when they bought the Covity Fine Foods. But anyway,

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we'll see. As I say, I don't know enough to
question the sense of it, or it could be a
great idea. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, I guess that the proof of the pudding is
in the eating and literally in this case. Um as
I watched this face. Hey, thank you so much, Kevin.
We will catch up with you again. So Kevin Milmer
with us this morning. Thank you for your feedback as well.
Harry's is Jack regarding the heist mission impossible? Was my
first thought too, Sorry, it was my last thought. My
first thought was Peter Seller's in the pink panther. You

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can do anything with a dozen cones and a high
vers vest. I've been wearing a high vers vest all
winter for fifteen years. Honestly, I could have walked in anywhere,
could have accessed anything, could have evacuated a crowd, could
have helped myself do anything. Nobody asks anything today, says Harry,
and Jack hard Nap says Muzz regarding the birds, hard enup.

(15:58):
Come on, it's nature. Try growing up on a farm,
you'd be in tears every day. No, I just think
it's unnecessary, Muzz. That's the thing. It's not. It's not
I mean, except that things die, I'm not concerned about that.
I just I think it's totally unnecessary. And I love birds.
I have bird feeders at my place. I mean I
keep them up off the ground so the cats can't
get near them. But I try and encourage native birds
to my place. And then when you see you know,

(16:20):
other people and your immediate neighbors clearly just let you
know leading cats rome. Well, you know, put people in
the neighbors leading cat's rome. I just think, yeah, I
think it's really frustrating. Ninety two ninety two is the
text number if you want to send us the messages.
This morning, twenty five past nine, our Sporto is in net.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Twenty eight Bus nine on Newstalks, zedb our Sporto. Andrew
Saville is in this morning and Big Old Weekend is sports.
Say let's kick things off with Eden Park. What got
double heater ay Keew's in the Kiwi Ferns at Eden Park.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
Yeah yeah, you've got the All Blacks that both teams
and the Black Caps playing well on the same weekend,
which often happens around October November. I'm maketually out at
Kiwi Ferns training as we speak in Newmarket and Auckland.
Beautiful day. Hopefully it's like this tomorrow for the big
doubleheader at Eden Park. Looking forward to this. The Kiwi's

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Tongue should be at Humdinger as it always is. The
crowd should be an immense mainly sea of red, and
the Kiwi Ferns are up in the earlier game against Ozzie,
so that'll be.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
A good watch as well.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
The tongue of some More men's game last week was
outstanding some More playing very well, and the week before
that the Kiwis I thought they played really well against
some More. These some More and Tongue and teams are
stacked with n RAL superstars these days, which is great
for rugby league. So again looking forward to tomorrow and
what should be a great day for rugby league on

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Eden Park.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, so nine am would start to nine am is
kick off for the All Blacks, and I'm obviously gonna
be difficult beaus they have to wait until Q and
A is over before they tune in to see what's
happening in the rugby. Of course, why are you laughing?
But what are you looking for in this test? Yeah,
it's always a ticky one that the Chicago fact is

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always a bit always, you know, it's a slightly odd.
And then the start of the Northern Tour. Yeah, it's
a bit of a leveler.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
I remember back in twenty sixteen, it was it was
all eyes on the All Blacks. They did a lot
of promo work during the week and then the game
was almost secondary and it felt like that when they played,
they were well beaten by Ireland on that day, the
first ever Irish women history. So some there's only I
think three or four players returning for the All Blacks
in that game, but some interesting memories for them. Yeah, look,

(18:58):
I just on this tour, Jack, I want to see
this all Black team play with consistency, less clutter, more direction,
more ad lib rugby as well, which we know all these.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
All Black players are capable of.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
I just think I get this feeling again this year
that they've been over coached in a lot of pre
prescribed moves and what have you. Let's just see if
the All Blacks can play a bit of unstructured rugby,
which the Northern Hemisphere teams usually struggle to cope with
on this tour. I think they're going to have to do
to win these four games in a row. I'm not

(19:34):
entirely subscribing to this theory that the Irish team are
going to be completely underdone. They haven't played together as
a unit since March, but a lot of them played
together in the lines under Andy Farrell, who's also the
Irish coach, and a lot of them, most of them
have played a heck of a lot of rugby together,
so I'm not entirely sure that is going to affect them,

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affect them too much. The All Blacks will be hoping
they can ambush them a little bit and steal a
March there, but.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I think the Irish have hard to experience for that.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
I'd love to see the All Blacks just really play
with some freedom and again not only whin tomorrow, but
win consistently on this tour, which we haven't seen under
Scott Robertson.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (20:21):
Now.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I know a few weeks ago, sev you were very
much in support of the comments made by esteamed Rugby
observer and commentator Jack Tame, who was lamenting the extent
to which box kicks have become the kind of default
position of players see fewer box kicks. Well, yeah, I mean,
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
We we say a lot of things on radio, and
you get a lot of texts on the text machine.
Few things get a few things have connected with New
Zealand my comments on box kicks, and I was I
was especially pleased to see today in the New Zealand
here front past comments from esteem from another esteemed Rugby
ever and commentator, Sir Richie mccare, lamenting the extent to

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which box kicks have become the default position and world rugby.
I just you know, I think I think we can
say with some confidence that he was listening to Saturday
mornings on news talks. Jack has a point. Jack has
a point, So.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
He would have been he would have had his ear
buds in midway through his one hundred k Saturday morning
and he thought, you know what, I totally agree with Jack.
I'm going to make it my intention, Mike Crusade, to
try and get rid of.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Too much kicking rugby.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Yeah too, right, so we'll see I mean the Actually,
I I don't know how much kicking we'll see in
the morning.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Hopefully not too much.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
But the other night I was I watched some highlights
of the English Premiership, which is four or five weeks
into its season, and I was pleasantly surprised by the
way a lot of the teams are moving the ball,
a lot of young backs they are using these days,
and I think England could be a real street as
well in a couple of weeks next week rather because

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it looks like they've gone away and easter. The conditions
are still pretty good up there. It's not totally winter yet.
But I was impressed by the way they moved the ball,
so we may see that from the Yeah, the Irish
again tomorrow. And just the other quick point, Jake, I
know Inza has made a big thing this week of
taking the game to America, and yes, I think the
All Blacks make some good money out of these exhibition
games in America against Ireland against maybe South Africa in

(22:28):
the future. But it is not New Zealand Rugby's job
to foster rugby in America. It's New Zealand Rugby's job
to foster rugby here. I just hope those at the
top aren't forgetting their primary roles.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, after this week, well said, Hey, thanks so much, Sam,
enjoy the weekend. We will catch again soon our Sporto
Andrew's Seville there. Thanks for your text. Harry sister flipped
me through. Oh a slightly conspiratorial note this morning. So
that sale for the Fontierra sale was worth just over
four billion New Zealand dollars, I said, just iver was

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worth not just four billion dollars, worth just over four
billion dollars. And Harry says Jack, I think I know
where they might have got the money to pay for Tira.
After all, they haven't discovered those stolen Crown jewels yet.
Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Done ninety two
If you want to send us a message, if you
want to hit up the movies this weekend, A couple
of great films have just hit cinemas, including Pike River.

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So our film reviewer with her thoughts on that in
a couple of minutes. It's twenty five to.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Ten Classic stop level, classic.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Flo you talk said be you were Jack came through
the midday today. So many messages have come through this
Our Dean has looked me an email to say Jack
Georgia comments read the Hiver's vest. But a similar ruse
is to walk around hospitals and a white coat, or
even better, to walk around the government department with a

(24:04):
clipboard looking serious. People just assume you should be there
and leave you alone. Yeah, we're funny, aren't we. I
think you have a clipboard, but also have a You've
got to have a lanyard of some description, don't you do.
That's very important to have a lanyard if you're in
a government department somewhere. And I think you've hit on
an important component in all of this. It's not just
the uniform or the disguise or a high vers vest

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in the case of the Louver heist. It's also a
general sense of intent. So you've got to look confident.
You've got to look like you're not expecting anyone to
ask you why you're there. You know, you can't be
kind of there can be no nothing timid about your
about your actions. You've got to look like you belong

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and then the world's your oyster. Doesn't matter. If it's
the most famous museum in the world, doesn't matter, if
it's one hundred million dollars in Crown jewels. The world
is your oyster. Thanks for your feedback. It's twenty one
to ten. Time to catch up with our film review
of Francesca Rudkin has two film picks for us this week,
kicking off with Pike River, which is hit New Zealand cinema. So, Francis,

(25:08):
let's have a listen to that.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
There were thirty five miners down in the mine, so
I don't know exactly.

Speaker 9 (25:13):
What's happened at the moment.

Speaker 10 (25:15):
There's been an explosion at the mine.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
What happened up there?

Speaker 10 (25:21):
We need to make sure the recovery is safe, recovery
all the men are dead.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I had the great privilege of seeing this a couple
of weeks ago. Francisca has been to see Pipe River
as well, so tell us about the film.

Speaker 11 (25:36):
I'm so excited to talk to you about a film
you have seen.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
First for everything.

Speaker 12 (25:41):
Eh, yeah, Hey, if I'm ever talking to some if
anyone from overseas is ever asking about the New Zealand
film industry. I say, look, we've got a pretty small
film industry in New Zealand, but we generally make films
that matter and we tell stories that need to be told,
and I think with Pipe River, this is a really
good example of that. This story has been told from

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the perspective of those close to it, from the you know,
the perspective of the families, and an awful lot of
time and research went into your learning about their experiences
and what it has been like since this tragedy in
twenty ten, and in particular, in this film, we followed
the story of two remarkable women, Sonya Rockhouse and Anna Osborne,

(26:26):
and how they just basically refused to give up the
fight for justice for the men that they lost in
the mind. And you know, I know that you've spoken
to them as well, and I hate the privilege. I'm
hosting a couple of q and as with them at
the moment at screenings, and you know, last night they
were saying, everybody has an opinion about Pipe River, and

(26:47):
everyone likes to share that opinion with them. They everyone's
a mine, expert Jack. You know, everyone's got an opinion
on when we should get the men out. We shouldn't
have always kind of things, and they said, what we
wanted to do with this film was just to lay
our story out for people to actually see what why
we've been doing what we've been doing. And you know,
they have been incredibly hard and what they have achieved

(27:08):
is really remarkable. And I think that that is what
this film does. It kind of shows us this story
from a perspective that none of us, you.

Speaker 13 (27:19):
Know, had access to. I think it also conjures up
for me. It conjured up an awful lot of emotion.

Speaker 12 (27:26):
I mean, I've seen this film a couple of times,
so I've cried both times, but I've also laughed because
it's also an uplifting and at times funny film about friendship.
It's about the tragedy, It's about anger and loss and
a tragedy that should never have happened. But it's also
a very uplifting film jack about friendship and about advocacy
and what you can achieve. I hope that you how

(27:49):
did you find it? What emotions did it? Because it
also it brought up when I left, I found a
lot of shame as a New Zealander that we have
done so little for these families. There has been no
accountability whatsoever. But what happened to twenty nine men who
went to work one day and never came home?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I think that was That was one of the defining
feelings I had watching the film, And I said that
to Anna and Soniel when they were with us on
the show a couple of weeks ago. It feels like
the story is unfinished and that there is this grave
injustice that has not been corrected or attended to or

(28:27):
addressed sufficiently in my view it and that is the
sense you're left with. So most films when you watch them,
have a sort of conclusion that feels like, well, you know,
we've kind of, you know, everything's kind of tied off.
And the sense I got with Pike River is that
the story hasn't yet been finished. And I hope that
this film will, you know, will stir a similar kind

(28:51):
of response in a lot of New Zealanders who will
see this as the injustice it is because for those
of us who haven't been directly affected, you know, the
truth is that over time, life goes on, the will
keeps turning, right.

Speaker 12 (29:04):
Yeah, And I think we all collect we all remember
that we heard about Pipe River. I mean I think
collectively as a nation, we held our breath and we.

Speaker 13 (29:13):
Held on to that hope.

Speaker 12 (29:15):
Yeah, we were promised, you know that we were you
know that these men could be Okay, look Jack. As
far as the craft of this film goes, it's absolutely stunning.
Melanie Linsky and Robin Malcolm are It's just a masterclass
in acting. The sound editing is brilliant, The cinematography is beautiful.
There are just haunting shots of the landscape which you know,

(29:35):
you feel the weight of that landscape on these men
who are still underground. The costume, the makeup, the art department,
you know, everything has been thought through really thoroughly, and
it gives a sense of authenticity of what the small
community was like and things. So, you know, as far
as you know, the production of the film as well,

(29:57):
I think it's it's been made to a high standard
and made but a huge amount of respect and sensitivity.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, well said, Well said, And I think a really
important film. I hope everyone goes to see Pike River
that is showing in cinemas. Now. Next up a film
that is screening on Netflix, something completely different. This is
a House of Dynamite.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Approximately three minutes ago we detected an ICBM over the Pacific.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
Current flight trajectory is consistent with impact somewhere in the
continental of the United States. If we do not take
steps to neutralize our enemies now, we will lose our
window to do so.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
D D.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Dan Right, So.

Speaker 13 (30:44):
This is Katherin Bigelow.

Speaker 12 (30:45):
I really like Catherine Bigelow is a director Point Break Zero,
DAC's thirty, the hurt Locker. She is really good with
tension and drama and thrill. She can just, you know,
she just can bring all this together and take you
on an incredible sort of ride and journey and things.
House of Dynamite. It was written by Noah Oppenheim. He
was a former NBC news chief and he also wrote Zero.

(31:06):
People might have been watching that on Netflix as well,
starring Robert de Niro, and this film describes nineteen minutes
in which a missile has launched from somewhere in the Pacific.
We don't know who has launched it. It is packed
up by a US Army base in Alaska, and then
we kind of follow what happens. It's flagged to the
White House situation room and everyone else that needs to know,
whether it's analysts or national security agents or you know,

(31:30):
the military and things.

Speaker 13 (31:31):
Then everyone's kind of on a zoom. We're all in
a room together, and I'm.

Speaker 12 (31:33):
Thinking, Ah, this is perfect. This is so careful, Bigelow Territory.
She's going to put us in a room and she's
going to amp up the tension. This is going to
be a great ride. I can't see what she does here.

Speaker 11 (31:42):
And I also thought of was like, good, where is
this going?

Speaker 12 (31:44):
Because this missile is only going It's not going to
take very long to go up and come down, right,
So I was thinking, where's this film going. As it
turns out, Jackie goes back to the beginning, and we
go back to the beginning a couple of times, and
we see this same story told through different points.

Speaker 13 (31:56):
Of view, and I'm going to be honest with you,
I was a little bit.

Speaker 12 (32:00):
Disappointed by this. I found it very unsatisfactory, basically because
I did not get enough information each time, or you know, yeah,
more of enough information each time we went back to
the beginning to feel like it was adding to the story.
I think what she is trying to say here, jack
and in light of and I think this was a
very good This is sort of added a new spin

(32:23):
to this film and light of Trump treating to rest
out nuclear testing.

Speaker 13 (32:26):
I think what the.

Speaker 12 (32:27):
Message here is saying is that the decision makers in
a moment like this, in a nuclear strike need to
be the best position, knowledgeable and trained people in the
room possibly to make that decision. So that does resonate
a little bit more, maybe in light of you know,
as I said about the sight of the world and things.

(32:49):
But I love her, but I just I did not
find this sound fine.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Okay, yeah, interesting, Okay, that's like you say, she's an
amazing director usually, so yeah, maybe this is a rare
miss from Catherine Bigelow. So that's a House of Dynamite.
And Francesca's first film was Pike River. Pike Rivers and
Cinema's The House of Dynamite is on Netflix. All the
details for those films will be on the news talks
he'd be website, Jack. I agree with you one hundred percent.

(33:13):
I'm a cat lover. I own a cat. It is
completely unnecessary for a cat to be killing three birds
in a night. The fact that it hasn't eaten them
shows it's not killing out of hunger. It's killing for
a game. It's something to do to pass the time
in the night. A bell doesn't helt much at night,
as birds sometimes don't hear them. Birds aren't nocturnal, they're
sleeping in the end. At the end of the day,

(33:36):
cat owners just need to be responsible and keep their
cats inside at night. Thank you for that. Ninety two
ninety two is our text number if you want to
send me your message. Twelve to ten. Our cook is
in with her recipe for the week next.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Saturday morning with Jack d keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US talks.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
He'd be ten to.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Ten now Cook. Nikki Wix is in this morning. Good morning, yeah,
cure Jack. Well, you've pulled off a miracle of sorts.
You've managed to get the trades around at your place
and they're staying there.

Speaker 14 (34:04):
I know, I know tradees. The local trades confessed to
me that they don't mind doing work at my place.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
And I wonder I'm not surprised bit at that I.

Speaker 14 (34:14):
Still like to hold on to this tradition of cooking
for tradespeople. And one of them confided in me that's
sort of six seven years ago.

Speaker 15 (34:22):
When he started his.

Speaker 14 (34:23):
Apprenticeship, it was still common practice to get scones and
teen things.

Speaker 15 (34:27):
He said.

Speaker 14 (34:27):
That's drastically dropped off, he said, So I like to
keep it up. So look, I've been tuning out sort
of pizzas, using raps for a base to make them
quick and easy. Frying rice I did one day a
decent sandwich. You cannot go amiss with a decent sandwich
needs to be well seasoned. It needs to be stuffed
full of all of the good stuff. I've been baking

(34:48):
this that the other. I have a particular cake tin
that I always say to who he was working here,
that will have something in it for you that have
with a kappa. And this or last week it was
a blueberry and lemon loaf cake jack and it was
a winner.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Ah, sounds amazing, Okay, So run us through it all right?

Speaker 14 (35:05):
So do oven goes on one eighty degrees in line,
And I've got quite a large loaf tin because oh,
I'd tell you what trades. People can eat a lot.
Briefly in a food process, a pulse some sugar and
lemon zest. I use one hundred and ninety grams of sugar,
or if that's about three quarters of a cup plus
a little bit of cast of sugar, two good tablespoons

(35:27):
of a lemon zest, and you just sort of, you know,
sort of pulse it so that it becomes kind of
like damp sand, and it stops the lemon zest in
getting caught around the beta. When you do this next stage,
which is to cream the butter and the sugar, and
I've used one hundred and fifty grams of softened butter.
Make sure that's really light and fluffy, and start adding
in your three eggs, one at a time, beating between

(35:48):
each one of them. Don't worry if it curdles a
little bit. This cool weather will bring that on sometimes.
And then a little bit of flour, ninety grams of flour,
half a teaspoon of baking powder, and one hundred and
ten grams of almonds. The almonds give this cake of
real richness. They're full of protein, so they're a bit
more sustaining. And just putting in all of it in flour,

(36:08):
so I love to use that. And then I also
use about a quart of a cup of lemon juice
or sort of whatever I've got out of the lemons.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
That I zested.

Speaker 14 (36:16):
Mix that all together. You don't want to overmix it. Lastly,
I dust some blueberries and I've used about one hundred
and fifty grams of blueberries. Dust those in a little flour.
It sort of stops them sinking to the bottom, but
not all ways.

Speaker 15 (36:29):
So there you go, fold.

Speaker 14 (36:30):
Those through our batter and scrape that batter into the
loaf tin. I usually line my loaf tin just to
be on the safe side, and I cook that about
forty five to fifty five minutes or until a skewer
comes out, just a few crumbs kind of clinging to it.
And then when once it's kind of cooled down, I
just make one of those lemon drizzle icings for it,

(36:51):
half a cup of icing sugar or thereabouts, and just
make that into a running icing with a little bit
of water and some lemon juice and drizzle that over
the top so that it's quite thin. So that's not
like some silly cupcake with a huge big amount of icing,
but it's just just enough. And it's very tart as well,
which is quite lovely. Yeah, And it's just look a
loaf cake is wonderful. It's practical, it's easy to cut,

(37:11):
it's easy to eat, it's all of those things. So
I've had no complaints yet.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Well, I bet you haven't. But I'm worried, Nikki, I'm worried. Well,
I mean, think about the incentives here. What incentive do
the trades have to finish up their work in a
timely fashion? I just know that. I bet there hasn't
been a project that your place that hasn't had a
time overrun by a few days.

Speaker 16 (37:31):
You know, I always get it.

Speaker 14 (37:33):
I always get a cost up front for this reason, Jack, Jame, I'm.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Not very wise.

Speaker 14 (37:38):
I came back to the beach the other day with
three vans on my lord and I went, that's an
expensive lawn because I had, you know, a plumber and
electrician and the lovely building.

Speaker 15 (37:47):
It's a small job and it involves all.

Speaker 14 (37:48):
Of them, and they've been doing a great job.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
So I'm very happy.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Oh good, I'm glad to hear it. Thank you so much, Nicky.
Nicky's amazing sounding trades blueberry and lemon loaf cake recipe
will be on the news talks. He'd be website six
minutes to ten.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Inside scoop on them all you need to know Saturday
morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
At b.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Two TV shows have me so excited okay. Number one
is maybe my favorite New Zealand TV show has just
returned for a brand new season. If you haven't seen it,
my goodness, get to TVNZ plus and make sure you
watch Educators. It is so good And in our screen
time segment after ten o'clock, our screen time expert will
give us her thoughts on the new season. It's just

(38:31):
such a funny show. And as well as that, of course,
The Chase New Zealand is about to launch and right
after the ten o'clock News and Hegety Aka the Governess
is going to be with us. She has recorded a
couple of episodes. Paul Henry is hosting The Chase New Zealand,
so it is going to be really good to catch
up with Ann and ask her about her experience. News

(38:51):
is next. Note it's almost ten. I'm Jack Taman. This
News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Cracking.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Team
News Talks at.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
B and Hegety Aka the Governess is a friend of

(39:31):
the show and beloved member of the Chase. She dominates
TV screens every night with one of the best win
rates of any Chaser. And now Anne is going to
be on our screens in a brand new Kiwi version
of the TV phenomenon. Yes, The Chase New Zealand premieres
this week Monday night, seven thirty on TV TV one

(39:52):
and TV and Z Plus. And Anne Hey aka the
Governess is with us this morning, Kolda and welcome back
to the show.

Speaker 13 (40:00):
Thank you very much. Indeed it's actually the evening.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Here, yes, yes it is. Indeed, nothing gets part. It
is so good to be speaking with you, and to
be speaking with you once again. I mean last time
you were on the show, you know, we talked a
little bit about the incredible impact that The Chase is
head around the world. But what does it say to
you that the show is now so popular you're bringing

(40:25):
it down under?

Speaker 13 (40:27):
It's absolutely great. I mean I've known for some years
that the British show is really popular in New Zealand.
I think it's watched by about two thirds of the
population in any given week, which is fantastic. I believe
that Jacinda Arden even mentioned it to Boris Johnson a
few years ago. You know, our countries have so much
in common. We both love The Chase, and I suspect

(40:49):
that Boris doesn't actually watch The Chase who had no
idea what she was on about.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
So I could imagine Boris being a fan of the
Chase or fancying himself as a chaser, don't you he
might do.

Speaker 13 (41:04):
I mean, there's a certain demographic in the UK that
is more likely to watch it, and it's not really
Boris's demographic, right, but loads and loads of people, you know,
obviously do watch it. We're getting around. We still get
around three million viewers a day here in the UK
on at five o'clock in the afternoon, when you know,
which is not a baud you consider an awful lot

(41:24):
of people are still traveling home from work. So and
I've always you know, as I say, I've known for
years how popular the British show is in New Zealand.
So it's absolutely brilliant. They finally decided to make a
KEYWI version. That's excellent.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Can you distill a magic? Why do you think it's
so popular?

Speaker 13 (41:41):
It's just a really good format. It took them some
time to work out the format, but you know now
that they have it actually, you know, really does work.
And people can pick up the show, you know, as
they're coming in from work and they can just look
and they see you know where we're out, how many
seats have gone, how much money there is in the pot,

(42:02):
and it's easy to follow. I think that's what people
like about it. And there's the opportunities. There are opportunities
to be funny, as opportunities for the host to be
funny and the chasers to be funny. And you know,
no two shows are ever alike.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
So how does the New Zealand version compear from your experience?

Speaker 13 (42:21):
I think we've made a really nice little show. It's
it's only we've only done four episodes because these are
special was going out in prime time rather than you know,
the five o'clock show that we do here. But I
would love it if it took off and I got
invited to come back to do more. I think, you know,
I think I think it actually really worked.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Well, Oh that's good to hear. What did you think
of the host?

Speaker 13 (42:47):
I wasn't sure what I was going to make of him.
I've read a bit about him, so I was a
little wary. And then we actually Easter and I actually
met him for dinner and he was absolutely delightful and
he was just really good to work with. I had
a lot of fun working with.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Him, the real real character, isn't he.

Speaker 13 (43:08):
I found it was very easy to take the mick
out of him, and he enjoys having the mick taken
out of it, and you know, I can, I can
just sort of make him thoroughly uncomfortable, which is huge fun,
and he really sort of plays up to it. So
it's great.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Actually, oh that's really good. Yeah, No, he's He's the
absolute perfect host. As soon as they announced the Chase
was coming, everyone in New Zealand's like, oh my godness,
that's so great. We were saying who's going to who's
going to be hosting it, and when they announced it
would be Paul, oh my goodness. But the whole country
was absolutely delighted. So I'm pleased to hear that. And
without giving too much away, have they tailored the questions

(43:44):
specifically for an Antipodean audience and content?

Speaker 13 (43:50):
They're more sort of general knowledge questions, but there is
quite a bit of specifically New Zealand stuff and is
and I think perhaps not quite expecting that, and we
had to get up to speed quite fast. So I'm
going to be you know, if and I really hope
this happens, If the show come back then you know,
I'll be doing sort of quite a lot of deep

(44:10):
dives into into New Zealand topics and learning how to
pronounce things.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yes, yes, I can imagine. Next tricky. So how did
you go about trying to study New Zealand?

Speaker 13 (44:23):
My first part call tends to be Wikipedia. I tend
to look things up on there and then sort of,
you know, follow links to find out other things. I've
only ever been to New Zealand once, which was in
twenty seventeen, I think when I visited Auckland, and it
was lovely and everyone was lovely to me, So you know,
it'd be great to go back.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (44:43):
But you know, even if you don't go back, there
are a lot of things that you can actually learn.
So yeah, I mean I learned, for example, that I've
always said Samoa and Samoan and apparently New Zealand is
some more and Somemon or something like that.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah right, I'm like, okay, got to remember that. But
and are you trying to, like, do you have a
strategy for trying to learn dates or trying to learn
key historical figures in New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (45:12):
I've never really had a strategy for learning anything it's
always extremely haphazard. I just sort of follow what interests
me and then I'll have to sort of, you know,
try and learn more stuff, certainly about your sports teams,
because I always have to learn more stuff about sports
teams and yeah, not really my sort of thing, but

(45:33):
obviously you know, Kiwis do love their sports, so I'll
have to do that a bit. More about your history
and your geography and where places are. Like I said,
I've really only ever been to Auckland, right, and that's it.
But yeah, and so reading a lot.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
You basically go on to Wikipedia and then do you
go down a bit of a Wikipedia rabbit hole? Do
you just sort of get onto a thread and then
and then click on a link through there and then
click on another link.

Speaker 13 (46:00):
Basically, yes, a lot of Wikipedia surfing. And I know
people say, oh, you can't trust Wikipedia. It's fairly trustworthy actually,
certainly on sort of technical things. I don't think it's
actually going to start giving me the wrong date for
the Treaty of White Tangia or.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Anything like that.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's funny. I mean, I hope for your
sake that we do have lots more at New Zealand shows,
because if you've had to study our entire history, geography
and every captain of the All Blacks going back to
the Originals, then you know there's a lot of information
that's probably not going to get a whole lot of
use in unless.

Speaker 13 (46:35):
Yeah, I mean, you never know what might come up
in a quiz, and especially you know, I do do
international quisine. I take part in the I couldn't take
part in the World Championships this year because I was
actually filming in Sydney at the time, but you know,
I try and do that. I try and do the
various I'm part of an online quiz league that has

(46:58):
that's mostly Americans, so I try and sort of learn
American stuff and it would actually be very useful if
there was a question on New Zealand. The Americans wouldn't
know and I would, so you know that's going to
be useful.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
So do you notice a difference when you're quizzing with
people from around the world, or indeed when you're when
you're filming the Taste New Zealand, do you notice a
difference in not the intelligence levels, but in the in
the recall of people from different areas.

Speaker 13 (47:26):
I think the Brits, especially the English are an advantage
because we do have this quizzing culture. You know, we
go out quizzing. I mean, I'm going out to a
quiz in about what's the time? About an hour and
a half, right, And I'm also I would normally do
a quiz tomorrow, but I'm not so I tend to do,

(47:47):
you know, quizzes at least twice a week, and that
kind of keeps your brain really fresh. And I think,
you know Australians that perhaps are not doing that sort
of thing, maybe as a disadvantage, but you know, I
certainly haven't noticed that either Australians or New Zealanders are
less intelligent. It's just they don't quite have our quiz

(48:08):
in culture. But I mean Isa, for example, he did
take part in the World Championships and I think he
came up that fourteenth or fifteenth, which is fantastic out
of the entire world. I mean if I had, if
I had taken part, I would be aiming to be
in the top hundred, and I would not guarantee that
I would be because there are so many good quizers
out there, and clearly, you know, is is really one

(48:30):
of the best.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
And so when you're going tonight to the quiz. Is
it at a pub? Is it like a pub quiz?

Speaker 13 (48:37):
It is in a pub, It's not. So there are
two things. There are pub quizes where you probably have
the same sort of thing, you know, where where teams
have funny names and there are lots of teams, and
there are lots of rounds, and there's a music round,
and there's a picture around and things like that. That's actually
not what I'm doing tonight. What I'm doing tonight is

(48:57):
a league quiz which we've taken place in a pub.
But it's just two teams obviously to each other. My team.
My team is as the catchy name of Farnham Common
Social Club, and we're going to be playing the Swan
in fact, it's the Swan a because there's two Swan
teams and we are playing at the Swan in fact.

(49:18):
So the idea is to beat them, which we sincerely
hope we will.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Yes, I was going to say, because I can imagine
if you were just turning up to a sort of
a you know, like a random Tuesday night pub quiz
with you know, a few colleagues who had had a
couple of beers and were eating some you know, wedges
and things, and you turn up but sort of hardly
really people must well, okay, we're really competing for second here.

Speaker 13 (49:43):
Yeah, I mean the thing is that actually the top
quizzes didn't generally not that great on pub quizzes. It
doesn't always suit us. I'm really not great on picture quizzes,
for example. Interest we can't recognize people, right, so you know,
we would not necessarily a bit an advantage for something
like that. And the thing tonight, I mean, I will

(50:07):
probably be the most useful member of the team.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
But not by much.

Speaker 13 (50:12):
And last year we did win both the Cup and
the league, but that's only because our main rivals had
a split and their best player left, so we kind
of came through the middle. But I don't guarantee that,
you know, we'll actually defend it.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Well, speaking of drama, should we expeak to a bit
of drama with the New Zealand Chase? I hope, So
don't give too much away. We don't want to know
if you won or last night.

Speaker 13 (50:43):
But you know, you know what the chase is like
and the final chase certainly you know that they they
have been setting decent targets, targets that have beaten me
in the past, targets that have beaten me in the past,
and you'll just have to watch and see what happened.
But you know, certainly I was taking nothing for granted.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, well, look, we are absolutely delighted and honestly and
we would love to have you here for a whole
lot longer. So if it does turn into a longer series,
we would we would welcome you with woken with with
with open arms. And even though you say you're not
suited to quiz teams, we will take you with my
team any week. Good luck this evening. You up on

(51:22):
that good luck and we look forward to seeing you
again really soon. Thank you so much, Bendy, thank you.
That is a Hegety aka the Governess from The Chase.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I love that show so much. I love and so
much and I am so excited about The Chase New
Zealand premier years Monday night, seven thirty pm, TV one
and TV n Z plus Now before eleven o'clock on
news Talk zed B. My goodness, stocks for Nvidia, the

(51:53):
world's biggest chip maker, just keep going up and up
and up. It's hit a new record this week. It's
become the first company to be valued at five trillion
US dollars. That's the market cat for a video five trillion.
Just a reminder, a trillion is one thousand billion, and
a billion is one thousand million, So five thousand thousand millions.

(52:16):
That's how much much video is worth according to its
market cap. I mean, it's just fantastical stuff, isn't it. Anyway,
we're going to get our textperts thoughts on that. What
will it actually mean for the state of the AI race. Plus,
we're in the garden where a man in the garden
is looking at some colorful native plant options for your place.
Right now, though it is twenty past ten. Screen time

(52:38):
picks for this week next.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Not your weekend Off the Right Way Saturday Morning with
jackdam News Talks Evy Morning.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Jack says Mark, I love the chase too. Have you
ever noticed that competitors involved in comedy in any way
are often the cleverest and most successful. That is a
very good point, Mark, I wonder why that is. I
wonder if actually being quick and being able to recall
things like if there's a little like quality in there
somewhere that makes you good at comedy and make whatever

(53:12):
whatever it is that makes you good at comedy, makes
you good at quizzing as well, makes you good at
general knowledge as well. I think you're right. I think
there could be something in there, Musis Jack. Imagine doing
a quiz and she turns up in the other team.
You just concede defeat immediately, wouldn't you, Or you concede victory,
wouldn't you? Yeah, I think you would. Muzz. I'm not
sure that I buy it when Nancy, she's not good
at pub quizzers necessarily, It's going to be so interesting though,

(53:34):
isn't it, Especially when it comes to that final chase,
seeing the chases up against New Zealand contestants, when there
are New Zealand themed questions. You know who was All Black?
Nine hundred and seventy eight GOLP can't wait for that
seven thirty Monday TV one, tvn Z plus the Chase
kicks off. If you want to send us a message,
ninety two ninety two is our text number. At screen
time Time, Tara awards our screen time experts. She picks

(53:57):
three shows for us every week. It's a given Tara
that we're all very excited about the chase, so we'll
put that to the side for the time being to
tell us about Down Cemetery Road.

Speaker 11 (54:07):
Yeah, this is a new crime mystery series starring Emma
Thompson and it's not often that Emma Thompson does television,
so just seeing her name in the cast list were
a big yess from me for the show. Another big
yess is that this series is based on a book
by Mick Heron and adapted for television by more when
At Banks and they are the same people behind the
TV series Slow Horses, which is one of Apple TV's

(54:29):
best shows, one of the best shows on television. So
if you are a fan of Slow Horses, Down Cemetery
Road is one for you as well. But Emma Thompson
plays Zoe, who's a private investigator and who's contacted by
a woman called Sarah who's played by the wonderful Ruth Wilson.
Sarah is having a dinner party one night when there's
an explosion in the house next door and the young
girl who lives Sarah is injured and afterwards, Sarah tries

(54:51):
to find the girl at the hospital and also goes
to the police, but she realizes that there's some kind
of cover up going on about what actually caused the
explosion and what has happened to the young girl, and
she becomes obsessed with finding out and contacts Zoe to
to help her investigate what's going on. And there's another
storyline that runs through this that involves some bumbling agents

(55:12):
at the Ministry of Defense who are trying to cover
up the explosion and who definitely don't need Sarah and
Zoe poking round to expose their incompetence. I really enjoyed this.
Emma Thompson, as you would expects, so good in this.
Ruth Wilson is brilliant as well. They make a wonderful
team together, and there's lots of that same dry, biting

(55:33):
British humor that you get in Slow Horses. It's Apple TV,
so it looks beautiful and stylish, and it's filmed in Oxford,
so it has this gorgeous historic backdrop. Lots of twists
and turns and lots of tension, but just one of
those shows that is just a joy to watch.

Speaker 13 (55:48):
You know.

Speaker 11 (55:48):
It's well acted, it's well written, it's just great TV.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Fantastic sounds really good. Okay, so that's down Humetry road.
It's on Apple TV Plus on Neon. Tell us about it,
Welcome to Dairy.

Speaker 11 (56:01):
Yeah, look, I took one for the team this week.
This is a new horror series that's just come to
Neon by the book. It's by Stephen King. And you know,
supernatural horror is not really a genre of television that
I'm instinctively drawn to, but there has been a lot
of hype around the show. It's made by HBO and
it's a prequel to the movie It, so it's the
origin story of the evil clown Pennywise. It takes place

(56:25):
in the nineteen sixties and the town of Dairy and
Maine against a backdrop of the American Civil Rights movement
and the Cold War, and it's about the horrors that
take place when a new couple move to town just
as a young boy goes missing, and lots of bad
things happen afterwards. And you know, this is everything I
would have expected from a Stephen King horror series. It's dark,

(56:46):
it's creepy, it's gory, it's stressful. I mean, if this
is your genre, you're probably already all over this. It
tacks all the supernatural horror boxes. It's honoring the films
and books that have come before it, So I think
fans will enjoy discovering this early early chapter in the story.
But if you want something to make the heartreaate gar

(57:06):
this weekend, I would give let's.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Agard Okay, fantastic, So that's it. Welcome to Darry. I'm
glad you did it, because it's not going to be me.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (57:14):
When I was thirteen, I had a sleepover party for
my birthday, and you know, I was sort of thinking, oh,
I'm a teenager and I very you know, very important
and mature and independent things. And I asked my dad
to rent out it the original and I think it
was an ra eighteen film, so I'm surprised he did it.

(57:34):
But for whatever reason, he didn't read the cover of it.
He got hit the clown and we sat there and
watched it, and I don't think any of us, any
of me or my mates who all had the sleepover,
had a moment's sleep that night. We were so terrif again.
I still just remember being like petrified, and I was
all looking at each other being like we're having fun, right,
and it was like no one was having fun.

Speaker 11 (57:56):
So we're never coming back to Jack's exactly.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, I'm glad you watched it, and I don't have
to last, but not least honestly, this is my favorite
New Zealand show. And I know that sounds crazy, but
I just love the show so much. On TVNZ plus
tell us about the return of Educators.

Speaker 11 (58:13):
Yeah, this is one of my favorites too. This is
a Educators. A new season drops on TVNZ plus today.
This is the unscripted comedy series created by Jackie Van Beek,
Jesse Griffin and Johnny Bruff and it's a satire about
what goes on behind the scenes at a fictional New
Zealand high school which is staffed by teachers who you
don't really want looking after your children. That they are

(58:34):
not very likable, they make terrible decisions and they behave
in some very questionable ways, luckily for us, with some
very funny results. And the comedy and this is quite
dark and awkward and may not be for everyone. But
what I really love about Educators is that it's unscripted.
These actors and comedians are improvising their way through every
scene and it is just such a delight. The cast

(58:56):
is so good and skilled and everything is unpredictable. And
this new season season four has some amazing guest stars,
Takeaway Teti, British comedy legend, Julia Davis, and Julian Barrett
from The Mighty Boosh. So I love that season four,
just as strong, just as funny, just as uncomfortable. I'm
so glad it's back, and all four seasons are up

(59:17):
on TVNZ plus SUPERB.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, it's a tame family favorite that when I come
from a family of educators, and sometimes the jokes like
cut a little close to the bone, you know, it's like,
oh my gosh, I know this is a comedy, but
that's alarmingly real, too true. Yeah, okay, So Educators is
on TV and Z plus it Welcome to Derry is
on Neon Down Cemetery Road is on Apple TV plus.

(59:40):
All of those shows are on the News Talks dB website.
It's ten thirty.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 17 (01:00:06):
If you wants.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Oh my goodness, I love that song so good seventeen
years ago that came out. It's this crazy Florence Welch.
Of course is her name. I reckon I'd recognize that
voice anywhere instantly in a moment. Florence in the Machine
is the name of the artist, and Florence in the
Machine could reasonably claimed to be I think the most

(01:00:42):
consistently successful British artist of this generation. Her influence on
modern pop is everywhere. Florence and Machine's music has been
sampled by Kendrick Lamar and by Drake. She's collaborated with
Taylor Swift and Lady Gaga, being hailed as an inspiration
by Beyonce. Don't you worry about that? Her music's often
interlaced with themes of paganism, of witchcraft, of references to

(01:01:05):
centuries old mystic and fittingly, Florence in the Machine's latest
album has been released on Halloween. The album's called Everybody's
Scream and our music reviewer is going to be in
with his thoughts for former day to day. We'll play
a couple of songs as well as that after eleven
o'clock on news Talk zb Our sustainability expert is a

(01:01:26):
few months into motherhood. You might remember that when she
was expecting, she was thinking about her different nappy options
and she wanted to do her very best not to
use any disposable nappies. As well as that she decided
she would try and teach her new baby elimination communication,

(01:01:46):
which is basically when you try and tell your baby
when to go to the loo. So you hold the
baby over the loo and you try and you try
and communicate to the baby when to go to the toilet.
So after eleven, given she's a few months into motherhood.
Now Kate, our sustainability expert, is going to give us
a bit of an update on how it's all going,

(01:02:07):
whether or not she has used any disposable nappies, and
if anything else is tripped her up. I want to
have a carpet to looking at their place. Twenty five
to eleven, our texperts here next.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mic Hosking
breakfast Since of satisfaction.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Oh very much? So you care? You say?

Speaker 18 (01:02:25):
Eight eight percent? Eight eight and a half percent. There's
a pretty good turnout from out from a Shielders that
gave us the thunder up and endorsement that we had
another right direction.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
The road shows that you did. Was it always eighty
eight percent? Or did you have to work hard?

Speaker 18 (01:02:35):
Oh no, we had to work hard. I mean, if
I go back to when the announcement was first made.
You know, there's a few questions out there you should
expect from from a farmer.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Shielders they had a lot invested in this company, and.

Speaker 18 (01:02:43):
So you know, we needed fifty percent to have But
we came out really clearly and send you know, fifty
cent's not good enough for us. We were on a
decent endate, which was up. The conversation around whether we
should be in consumers been on our agenda for call
it twenty years, if hooking.

Speaker 9 (01:02:54):
If I'm honest, back Monday from six am the Mic
Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
ZB twenty two to eleven non news talks, he'd be.
It's a bit of a week of mixed fortunes to
some of the tech companies in the world. So at
the same time as Amazon has announced it is firing
fourteen thousand people, in Vidia has become the first company
in the world to hit a market cap valuation of
five trillion dollars five thousand billion US dollars. Our textbook,

(01:03:26):
Paul Stenhouse no doubt has a big slice of that pie,
and he's with us this morning.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
He was a very small slice. I will say I
was very lucky. I have got a ten teny.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Size of that pie.

Speaker 8 (01:03:37):
But it has done very well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:03:39):
I think my investment in it is up eight hundred
or nine hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Percent almost just incredible. Yeah, Okay, I mean I turned
like a dollar. You gotta sell, Paul, you gotta sell
I reckon that bubbles pop and sometimes soon come.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
On seriously, right, I mean like so just well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Just fantastical like it just come on. Yes, Yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (01:03:57):
Mean we talked about this just three months ago when
it was the first company to hit four trillion dollars,
and in three months it has now hit another trillion
dollars in so it's a quarter up in three months.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Is just crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
And when you start to put some of this into perspective,
it's just it's eight point three percent of the entire
sm P five hundred, So of the five hundred largest
companies that the index tracks, it's eight point three percent
of them, which means if you're like me and hold
some of those low cost kind of index funds in
your retirement account, you certainly feel every effect, the good,

(01:04:31):
the bad, the ugly when it comes to in Vidia's
market moving up and down. But the five trillion number, Jack,
I have to come back to it. I had to
do some I had to look at some other companies
to think to see how it compares. Okay, if you
take the top nine pharmaceutical companies in the world, it
is worth almost double those top nine companies. If you

(01:04:53):
take the top eight global oil companies, combine them all,
it's worth about one point five times that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
Now let's compare it to something a little closer to home.
How about New Zealand's government debt of one hundred and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Eighty two billion.

Speaker 8 (01:05:07):
Right, it is twenty seven times greater than New Zealand's debt.
There's just a staggering number.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, it is. It's crazy. It's just Yeah. But one
of the things you say about AI, like have we
had the results from AI to justify this kind of
valuation for the company that makes the chips that drives AI.
I mean no, the market would say ye, yes, I'm
sure the market would yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It

(01:05:41):
just feels like, yeah, I mean, who knows where these
things go, right, you know, we'll be sitting here in
three weeks. We could be sitting here in a very weeks
saying like, wow, there's been a crazy stock market crash
and the bubbles burst, or we could be sitting here
at being market that he has become the first company
with forty to be worth seven trillion dollars. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
I mean it was three months ago that it hit four.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yeah, like now is it five?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Crazy? Okay? Oh Amazon, fourteen thousand jobs are gone. Yeah.
What does this mean for the state of the company
and what kind of jobs are going?

Speaker 19 (01:06:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:06:14):
All corporate jobs. So this I they hire another staggering
number of people or something like close to a million.

Speaker 20 (01:06:20):
People around the world or something just unbelievable. That sounds
like it might be too big of a number, but anyway,
huge number of people. These are all people who work
in their corporate offices. These are desk jobs, as are developers.
This is hr this is facilities, this is not people
who are working in their warehouses.

Speaker 8 (01:06:39):
Huge number of people, massive ripple effects across just every industry.
And they're not done either. The guidance they put out
was that they were going to get rid of thirty
thousand jobs. So this is fourteen, So they're expecting another
sort of fourteen fifteen thousand jobs at the start of
next year. They've said that they are trimming some of
the fat from their big COVID hiring spree. They said

(01:07:00):
that they are doing some of the lean into the
AI tooling. Again, just staggering numbers, right, you let go
of four teen thousand people. The severance payments are expected
to be one point eight billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:07:12):
But I mean, look, it didn't have too much of
effect on the market when they made that announcement that the.

Speaker 21 (01:07:18):
Day was relatively flat.

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
But their AWS or they did their earnings call just yesterday,
I think, and stock popped. AWS is doing huge things.
Stocks up this week seven percent alone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
So.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
I don't think the market minds that they just lost
fourteen thousand people. But yeah, yeah, wow, wow, wow, I
think I think the Fed. I don't know, if you
saw the news this week the FED lowered interest rates
over here, then they you know, they've kind of put
out their guidance would there be potentially another cut before
the end of the year, and they said, well, wait
and see. They saw that number and that was a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Little shopping to them. Yeah, yeah, I'm not surprised. Have
very quickly done the maths. So five trillion, right, if
you were earning a dollar a second, right, one dollar
every second, it would take you one hundred and fifty
eight thousand years to get to five trillion. Just incredible,
not so thanks so much, big number. Paul Stenhouse is

(01:08:15):
our texpert in the money by the sounds of his
Shear portfolio as well seventeen to eleven on News Talks
at be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
No better way to kick off your weekend then with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Talks at B.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
At that time of year where many of us are
feeling a little bit a too e, we're experiencing sneezing,
congestion all sorts, and sometimes it can be a little
bit unclear as to whether or not you've got a cold,
or whether or not you've got hay fever. So we
thought we would catch up with our resident doctor, Brian Betty,
who's here with the details this morning. Killder Brian oh

(01:08:52):
cire Jack, So what's the difference? I know that seems
potentially obvious, but sometimes when you're experiencing these things, it
actually isn't. What's the difference between a common cold?

Speaker 22 (01:09:02):
It can be very difficult to tell sometimes, and especially
this time of the year when we've had actually eight
viral season with colds and flues. That's run right into
spring and also that time when we start to get
the pollens in the air that causes the hay fever.
So yeah, it can be different. Different are difficult to
work out. So basically the difference is hay fever is
an allergic reaction, and so the allergy to pollen or

(01:09:23):
dust in the air or pets. So when it gets
windy and the flowers are out pollinating, we tend to
get it the common colds and infection and it's caused
by a virus, and the virus is off is rhinovirus,
so it's very very different in terms of what it does. Now,
the key difference is hay fever tends to come on suddenly,
so it can last for a day, for days or weeks,
and it's often accompanied with frequent sneezing, rare dichy, watery eyes,

(01:09:49):
and itchy throat and nose.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
But there's no temperature. Now, the common cold comes on.

Speaker 22 (01:09:54):
Gradually over a few days, usually lasts for five to
ten days, thick yellow nasal discharge, mild eyed irritation, and
less sneezing, and often you do have a mild temperature
and can it gets some muscle, so there are some
very very distinct differences between the two.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
And should how should you tell the difference.

Speaker 22 (01:10:13):
Yeah, Look, I think there's three critical things that the
time it takes to come on, when it comes on,
and it Now, look, if you have itchy eyes and nose,
think hay fever. Itch is the classic classic symptom. Now,
if you feel slightly achy and unwell, think common cold. Now,
hay fever does tend to occur more during spring, not

(01:10:35):
all the time, but during spring and certain times of
the year, especially spring, so it tends to be windy.
We've got the pollen in the year, and you know,
people out like mooweing lawns and they notice they get
all these symptoms coming on. Often with the common cold. Again,
you've been in contact with someone who's had a cold,
you suddenly start to get the symptoms. So again there's
another difference where the cold is spread from person to

(01:10:56):
person that doesn't happen with hay fever. So again there's
some very very distinct differences that start to occur.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
And how do you treat them?

Speaker 22 (01:11:04):
Yeah, very very differently. So it is important to know
the difference. So for hay favorite, it's important to try
and avoid the irritants. So again, if it's a windy
day and you know that pollen's going to trigger the symptoms,
keep your windows shut indoors on those windy days to
try and keep the pollen out of the house. And
if you've been outside my o in the lawns, come
inside and just change your clothes and shower and get
rid of all that that pollen stuff that maybe on

(01:11:26):
you causing the problems. We use something called antihistamines, which
are a tablet to stop the itch and sneezing, often
some eye drops and off some nasal drops just to
stop the nasal congestion. Now, with the common cold, antibiotics
do not help, and this is really really important. It's
a virus, so there's no benefit to antibiotics. Stay at

(01:11:48):
home because you don't want to spread it, because that's
what you do with coldsh you know, your parasminol, your
broof and to keep your temperature down and get rid
of those muscle achs. Often a bit of a nasal
spray for decongest throat lozenges and stay well hydrated really
really important and usually improves over a week better by itself.
So but staying at home is really quite important in

(01:12:09):
that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Of course, pseudo Epho Dream is now available in pharmacies.
I have had it, and look, I know that there's
a bit of controversy with it. It my experience with it
was that it worked and that it gave me a
short term relief, like quite big time, to be honest,
Like it was like I was like, wow, this is
actually this is doing it and it made me a
little bit jittery, like I could see how they make

(01:12:31):
me fam out of it, you know. I was like, oh,
I can see. It's like not the craziest link between
these two things. So yeah, but for a cold it did. Like,
my experience was that it did actually help, although you've
obviously got to be really careful and you know, following
the instructions of the chemists and that kind of thing, and.

Speaker 22 (01:12:46):
Yeah, look that's really important. Yeah, the city everysent's got
two sides to it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Yes, it works.

Speaker 22 (01:12:51):
It is actually really effective for decongestions and making you
feel better, but there's this other side to it where
you can feel quite energized and a whole lot of things.
So yeah, you need to talk to your fancist about
them and how you use it, and yeah, so it
is good to use, but you've got to use it
very carefully.

Speaker 5 (01:13:07):
I suppose.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Hey, thank you so much, really appreciate it. Doctor Ryan
VIDI with us this morning. It's team to a even.
We're in the garden, next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Gardling but still shops battery system kits. Get a second battery,
half fries.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Rude climb past as our men in the garden Kyota.
Good morning, sir, how are you. I'm very well, yeah,
very well, thank you. It's the time of year where
if you're looking for a little bit of color in
the garden, you've got a couple of little options on
the native front that could add a bit of pop.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Yeah, that's right. I'm looking at the moment the Princeship
and the tree in front of me. It's the old
cherry tree that exactly finished almost. It's flowery and people
love these things. But I thought, you know what, we've
got so many good New Zealand endemic trees. I love
that work endemic. It only occurs in New Zealand. Number one,

(01:14:02):
I've got a it's not a real tree, it's a
shrub in this case, and it could be a client
metroceedros Carminia. It's actually closely related to the Puruta Kawa okay,
and it is unbelievably beautifully red at this time, gorgeous.
I think you know, if you really want something that
is standing out of this town of the year, yeah,

(01:14:24):
get yourself a Metrocedro's Carminia. It's called the Crimson rata,
so it's actually like a rata tree, right, But it
doesn't always climb up, and it depends on whether you
take it from a cutting or whether you take it
from seeds. And if you take it from cutting it
becomes a shrub. Where you take it from seeds, it
climbs up your house.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
I was there, Yeah, very good, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
Number two Cofi. Everybody knows cobai a. Yep, you got
one of you get one at home as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
I wish we did, we don't. I mean, I just
know that's why I've got the still got the bird
feeders out, just to bring in the two in the
and the Toho and things, because I mean, the cor
fire is the snaps favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
It is absolutely and you got it and that's it ERTs.
It does all the right stuff. You got it in
one that's exactly what it's what. It's child be about.
There's a third one I've got here, and it's rulin
Bekia estoni. That's a real endemic too. Ruland Beckier is
one of those genera if you like it only really
gets gets going in New Zealand native plant. Of course,

(01:15:29):
it is quite common around Katerretti Spit, you know where
it is of course in Canterbury, yep. And it has
this wonderful zig zagging system of branches which which looks
quite weird, but it actually makes the bush really really dense.
And then in the winter time it's kind of this

(01:15:50):
really strange dark brownie orange color as well, so it
changes its color. It's just amazing. Rule becky ass and
I always goot plant arion right right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
New Zealand nice, Okaykia, have you heard of that? I'm
not sure?

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Yellow one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Yeah, I think I think I recognize the photograph. I've
looked it up and I've got the photograph here you've
sent through, so I think I recognize it from that,
but I haven't heard of it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
Okay. It's also endemic also if you like the New
Zealand plant, only in New Zealand, but here comes the thing.
As an entomologist, this is what I do with this
O the year. I go to the Karakia and there
are hundreds of native bees swarming around these flowers. That
yellow is tracking them like anything, and those little bees,

(01:16:38):
those tiny little native bees are sucking their nectar and
taking it back to the to their own little home
for their offspring. It's just it just gives you this
wonderful feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Of yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
And then finally hot Pito, which is of course a
peppetrine yep through the wintery Colorado and it tests these
amazing colors of leaves with red and yellow and orange
and also of color. If you really want to see
the best places, as far as I'm come to, where
you can see this, you go to the kitlings. That's
where you fall in love with.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Fantastic Hey, thank you. We'll make sure that we put
them up on the website, and we'll put the photos
up as well, so everyone can have a bit of
a look and imagine what it might look at their place. Hey,
look like at their place. Thank you very much, sir.
Go Well, that is rude climb passed in the garden
for us this Saturday morning together after eleven o'clock on
Newstalks dB our travel correspondents taking a look at Deli.

(01:17:35):
Deli is exploding, they reckon in a few years actually,
it's going to become the most populous city in the world.
He's got some real delights in both old Deli and
New Deli that he's going to share with us. As
well as that. Our sustainability commentator on her experience trying
not to use disposable nappies with her newborn baby. And

(01:17:56):
we've got new music from Florence in the machine. It's
almost eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Tam. It's Saturday morning and
this is news Doorg zb.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through the
weekend us talks a'd.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Be you know, if you're just turning on the radio

(01:18:38):
this morning, we've missed you, but we had delighted you.
Here Jack Tames my name, I'm with you through the
midday today. We started the show this morning with a
little bit of a lament. So I walked down on
my front door, brighton Cherry this morning to discover three
birds had been ripped up and torn apart and left
on my front patio by one of the neighborhood cats.
I don't know whose cat it was. Don't know what

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cat did it, but I was the one cleaning it up,
and I this is the one thing I really dislike
about cats. See, cats have so many great qualities. They
can be such great companions, they can be such great pets.
But I really really hate that they kill birds, and
that they kill native birds. And it turns out I'm
not the only one who thinks that if you are

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a cat owner and you're letting your cat roam at
night and it doesn't have a bell or anything like that,
you are irresponsible and you are selfish. Jack says Marie
this morning. Our cats should be kept in their own property.
It's as simple as that. Another person on the text jack,
cats should all have bells on their collars. As far
as I'm concerned, I once cared for someone's cat for

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a few days, and during my time caring for them,
they brought home beautiful ducklings and birds from a golf course.
I was horrified when the owner told me they still
wouldn't put a bell on their cat's collar. I never
cared for the cat again. As far as I'm concerned,
it was just so irresponsible. I think this is the
thing I mean We all accept that people enjoy having

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pets and enjoy having companions, and that they do so
many great things, but it is your responsibility as a
cat owner, in my view, to make sure that your
cat isn't damaging the local biodiversity and environment. You have
to keep your cat inside and shouldn't be sending your
cat out without a bell on its collar at the

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very least in my view. So thank you for all
of your messages. We've had so many over the last
couple of hours on that, and I'll try and get
to a few more before mid day today. Ninety two
ninety two is the text number if you want to
send me a message. Right now is nine minutes past eleven.
Jack Dave our perform mid day. We've got new music
from Florence on the Machine. I love Florence. Florence Welch
the yes singer from Florence on the Machine. She is incredible.

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Just got one of those super powerful, distinctive voices that
the moment you hear it, you go ah, yeah, that's
Florence on the Machine. So we're going to play you
some of her new album, which is called Everybody Scream.
Before midday. There's a new book from Michael Conley that
I will tell you about very shortly as well. Right now, though,
it's time to catch up with our sustainability expert. Kate
Hall is with us this morning, Gilda and Jack. So

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your daughter is four and a half months old. I
feel like we are far enough through this journey, not
that you don't have a wee way to go still
to check in and see how your plan around nappies
and communication with your daughter is working out, because it's
fair to say that you took on a pretty brave stance.

Speaker 15 (01:21:31):
Yes, yeah, I mean I had high hopes and I
was prepared. I have some disposal nappies and I was like,
I'll use these if I need to if it all
gets too much. But I have done nappies since day one,
along with elimination communication. But yeah, I guess because I
was counting it up the other day and I have

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saved probably over a thousand now and it's only in
four and a half months.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Oh my god, disposal nap is from n okay okay,
So very quickly, before we get onto the nappies, how
is the elimination communication going.

Speaker 15 (01:22:06):
It's actually I'm on like currently a winning streak.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
So this is just a remind you of one. This
is when you you, you and your daughter basically communicate
and you hold her over the toilet, right.

Speaker 15 (01:22:17):
Yes, yep, So since day one, I've just offered the
potty to her, so like, yeah, a little potty or
over a toilet, or just to catch if you're catching
it rather than catching it in a nappy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Yeah right, So yeah, My.

Speaker 15 (01:22:30):
Winning streak at the moment is I've gone thirteen days
now without having to change a poo nappy. So that
means every time I've heard her make her little poos sounds,
or watch her face, or I genuinely just offer it
to her at normal times that people would want to
go to the toilet too, like when you first wake
up or after a meal, or if I hear her

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honey rumble. Yeah, so I have not I have to
just don't deal with as much poo.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
That's incredible. Thirteen days and four and a half months.
Good for you, k. Honestly, there's just I really like you.
That's amazing.

Speaker 15 (01:23:06):
Yeah, it's blown me away as well, like there's no
I don't know. I just sounded too good to be true,
but also sounded very natural to me when I heard
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
So well's how they I mean, it's how everyone else
survived right before before we had reusable nappies. Yeah, yeah,
and I'm sure there have been a few, you know, incidents,
but I.

Speaker 15 (01:23:26):
Mean, and there's cultures that still exist, Like it's not
really we call it elimination communication, but it's not. That's
kind of a fancy term that we called it in
this you know, but there's cultures who you can't actually
buy a pack of nappies there because that's just not
what they do. And the kids have like crotchless pants
and different things like that. Like it's it's actually the

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elimination communication as people's you know, standard way of doing things.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
And when you when you've nailed the elimination communication, as
you seem to have done, it means that reusable nappies
are an even better option, right, So talk us through
your reusable nappy journey.

Speaker 15 (01:24:03):
Yeah, so they it appairs really well together. Reason is
an elimination communication because you're not having to wash as
many So I yeah, I all of my nappies, most
of them are sick in hands. There's a great market
there for a secondhand reasonable nappies, and I guess mainly
it's about how to wash them and being familiar with them.

(01:24:24):
So I started learning about reasonable nappis like months before
Orchard was born, and just like putting them on soft
toysn't you know, practicing how to use them because some
of them do just feel like you use in a
disposal nappy. That's about crow, which is really cool. I'd
recommend that to people who are first starting out because
it's you know, you don't have to deal with all

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the little domes and everything, which could be quite overwhelming.
But yeah, we use I know, six to eight resal
nappies in a day, depends on how good I've been
with catching her wheeze. I mean poos now seem to
be dealt with. But yeah, how to wash them. I'll
take you through my washing routine because I mean that's
a really big one that freaks people out and feel

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overwhelming for when you know that is the extra step.
It is more work, Like I think some people go, oh,
it's so easy to just do it, but it's more work.
You know, at the end of the day, I have
had moments of oh my gosh, okay, so I have
to stuff most of minor pockets stuff an insert into

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a shell. And so that's something a task I have
to do, you know, in the evenings or it does
take my work, but honestly it means we've saved a
lot of money so we don't have to buy disposal
nappy and getting a whole lot second hand is great.
But when terms of washing them, I put them through
two cycles so they are very clean. It is very

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hygienic way of doing eppis I put them through a
hot like sixty degree wash first and then I put
them through a mainsh and because they're already washed, that
mainsh can also contain like orchards, clothes and the bits
and bobs and it's a fully degree wash and quite
a high spin as well, so you really get like.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
So you are really getting in there, right.

Speaker 15 (01:26:15):
Yeah, yeah, you really got to get there, and they
are there. I've taken that method of washing from Clean
Class Nappies Guide, which you can find online. It's a
really great like scientifically backed way of you know, cleaning
nappies and dealing with nappies. I've got all sorts of tips,
so that's really.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Helpful, fantastic. How do you have any brands given you've
done so much research. Any brands that you recommend.

Speaker 15 (01:26:39):
Yeah, I've tried about ten different brands. I'm going to
make a blog on it soon, but you know, I
say this, but I have I'm too busy changing the
nappies to write a blog about it. Yes, my favorite
brands as a clever we Fox, Sluffy Ducks and Kikola.
So they're all good. Most of them small New Zealand

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owned businesses too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
So yeah, the best sounds amazing. Well done. I mean,
I know it's a lot of work, and I know
that you know, there's probably been ups and downs, but
I just, yeah, I think it's really amazing what you've
been able to do. You guys, so long? May you
continue that? What is it a thirteen day streak so far?
I know, now we're all touching wood for you, you know,

(01:27:24):
like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but thank you so much.
You can find Kate on social media, of course, just
search ethically Kate. Her name will pop right up and
we'll put those brands up on the news storks. You'd
be website as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Our travel correspondent is Mike Yardley. He's here with us
this morning.

Speaker 16 (01:27:45):
Gelda, Good morning Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
You know, I have absolutely loved the last few weeks
as you've been taking us through your favorite parts of India.
And I remember a couple of weeks ago you were
discussing how Deli is absolutely surging on the economic front
at the moment. So just how big is it?

Speaker 16 (01:28:04):
Yeah, it's really hard to get hit around it because
the growth is so staggering. It's those middle class high
rise apartments mushrooming everywhere. That is just set in my memory.
But I think it was my guide with Wendy Woo
Tours check Gresh who summed it up best for me.
He said, Delhi is more than just a city, It's
a megalopolis. The metropolitan population of Delhi is now thirty million. Wow,

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so it's on track to becoming the world's most popular
city in about three years time.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
It is just enormous.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's staggering. I remember driving in the city
ones and driving for like two or you know, two
and a half hours from the center of Deli out
and still like still just being in a city like
just totally you know, it wasn't like, oh we left
at Delhi and then we were sort of in some
outskirt towns. It wasn't like going from christ Roots today

(01:28:59):
in the order or something like that. It was like, no, no, no,
You're still in Deli, still very much in Delhi. And
it's famous for its vast canopy of trees. Eh.

Speaker 16 (01:29:10):
I love this about New Delhi within Deli. Yes, So
on one hand you've got all those forests of concrete
and steel in the way of high rises, but then
that verdant canopy that is New Deli's calling cards. So
this is the more modern planned city within this city

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built by the British just over a century ago. And
for all the pros and cons of British colonial influence,
you'd have to say one of their great legacies was
the meticulously planned green cover for New Deli. So fanning
out from Connaught Place along all those long broad avenues,

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they just meticulously planted so many large specimen trees like
banyons and mangoes and pilkens, because they knew it was
a hot place and they thought this might you give
people a bit of cover from that fierce Deli heat.
My god, that was visionary when you think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Yeah, did you go to the monuments because there are
quite a few big ones day.

Speaker 16 (01:30:15):
There are so many to tick off because the city
is littered with just a trove of crumbling tombs and ruins,
so many that most of them not even on the
tourist map, and it can get tiring to do a
bit of you know, monument ticking and Delhi. But if
you're a first time into the city, I would suggest
there are two you really need to see over an

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old Delhi. Two Mogul era masterpieces. The imposing Red Fort
which was the Mogul seat of power for two hundred years,
huge big slab and sandstone. And then Jamma Mashad, India's
largest mosque. I absolutely loved this mosque, jack because it
was commissioned by Jahanov taz Mahal Fan talk about six

(01:31:02):
years courtesy of five thousand laborers to put up and
poor Muslim people. It's really really sacred this mosque because
within its hallowed walls lies the hair of Prophet Muhammad.
So a very special site for as well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Oh amazing, Yeah, did you go to India Gate.

Speaker 16 (01:31:23):
Yes, So this is back in New Delhi, very close
to that sprawling parliamentary conplext I've got, But yeah, Indie Gate,
it's sort of like India's answer to the Arc de Triumph.
It's such a monolithic beast of a thing, quite monstrous.
I don't think you would say pretty. It's nozing, but

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not pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
But yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:31:46):
Interestingly, it was designed by Edwin Luttians, who was the
master planner for the British of New Delhi, and it
is principally a war memorial and memory of the seventy
thousand Indian soldiers who laid down their lives during World
War One. But I did what the locals do, and
you hid down there at the end of day because

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it's beautifully illuminated after sunset and at twilight that's been
all the street food vendors and the ice cream they
lie in the area. And you've got those spawling lush
gardens around India Gate as well. So it's just a
beautiful part of town to end the day.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
And how wonderful. What about market time and Old Deli?

Speaker 16 (01:32:26):
Oh my goodness, I reckon this is the runaway highlight
of a visit to Deli. Plunging yourself and it is
a plunge into the chaos. The cannibal, the cauldron of
commerce in changiny Choc Deli's four hundred year old marketplace.
And I love how the spaghetti like tangle of street

(01:32:47):
wiring is still there, garlanding all of those pencil fin
lanes choked with people and cows. It's got all the
rough as guts function over form fields, singery dog. I
thought of you, Jack, because I thought, I'm sure Jack
likes Jillibbis I levy Jack, So yeah, a real street

(01:33:13):
food hero. The jellybamara like a deep fried spiral shaped
better dust and sugar syrup, a plate of those piping hot, crispy,
sticky jilletties that will keep you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Going all day.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Yeah, that keeps you going. The spice market is amazing
as well.

Speaker 16 (01:33:28):
Ah, one of the best I think I've ever experienced
in the world. And apparently it's Asia's largest wholesale spice market.
And I think wholesale is the key word because the
spices are so fresh, you know, it's an aromatic head
blast as you walk past all these bulging sand castle

(01:33:49):
like mounds of spice. And they sell over a hundred
types of spice in their spice market and old Deli.
I love how if your doored all too long. Outside
the shop front, chances are a trader will come along
with a huge sack of chilies or adam and pods
and sort of bump.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
You out of Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:34:10):
But if you want to stock up on some spices
and get them into New Zealand legally, a really good
place to go to is this really old shop called
Miha chand In Sons and they've been in business since
Victoria ruled the roost. So they have got packaged spices
pretty much one hundred spices by the way, They've got teased,

(01:34:32):
I've got saffron, and one of their biggest sellers with
international visitors is turmeric. There is no stopping that globe.
We'll love here. So yeah, they've got them all packaged up.
You'll get them through New Zealand customs as long as
you declear them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Okay, Oh that's really good to know. That's fantastic. Where
would you recommend staying in Delhi?

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:34:52):
I would say go for New Delhi because of that canopy.
It just feels, you know, like a lifesaver. But also
make sure you bag a flash hotel with a pool
because the pool really will be the life saber.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
Of all.

Speaker 16 (01:35:07):
I love how and you will recall this from your
time at the Games, the Commonwealth Games five star hotels
at three star prices in Deali. Yeah, So, for example,
I stayed at Senula Eros, which was just heaven. They
had the most enormous pool and one of my favorite
time well moments in Delhi was just marinating myself on

(01:35:27):
that pool, gazing up at the flocks of black kites
circling above.

Speaker 23 (01:35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:35:32):
And then you Hadritus Meckx swinging between the poolside Benyon trees,
much to the annoyance of the rose ringed parakeets that
were trying to miss. Only in New Delhi.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Yeah, ah, that sounds so good. I had. I mean,
I had amazing experiences of my time in Delhi, and
I was there. I was there both for the Games,
but also I went in by myself afterwards all my
colleagues had gone. I traveled around India, but and then
spent a bit of time in Deli myself, and I
do remember seeking a bit of refuge from the chaos

(01:36:05):
of Delhi and sitting down in a small sort of
green space on my on my first or second day
staying an old Delli and I was surprised by a
man who came up behind me, grabbed my head very gently,
cradled it, and in a swift action, inserted a needle

(01:36:26):
into my ear drum. And fortunately it wasn't a needle
that pierced the ear drum. But he was one of
these people who is a considers himself a professional ear cleaner,
and so without my explicit consent, he came up behind me,
saw a vulnerable ki We tourist and said, oh, there's
a man who's probably got waxy ears. And I tell

(01:36:47):
you what, he was right on that front at the
very least. And yeah, came up, snuck up behind me
and cleaned my.

Speaker 23 (01:36:53):
Ears for a few rupees. So yeah, that was It
was very assertive, I did think. But of course, once
you're sort of once your head's been cradled by an
Indian man and he's got various instruments tickling your ear drum,
you're not really in a position to push back.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
So yes, yes, yes, that was an experience. But my god,
it is I mean, it is an amazing city. It's
just you know, and I think you're I think your
point about finding a good place to stay. See I
reckon the way to really enjoy India if you're not
used to traveling in that kind of place. Is to
give you is to stay in a place where you

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can have a little bit of a reprieve from the chaos,
so that when you leave your accommodation, when you step
outside the front door, you're just going to be bombarded
by incredible sights and smells and all these kind of
sensory experiences. But having a place where you can kind
of retreat and you know, and rejuvenate overnight is really
really important. It means you actually enjoy the stuff during

(01:37:52):
the day a whole lot more. I reckon so very
good advice. Hey, thank you so much. We will make
sure all of your tips for exploring Delhi are up
on the news talks. You'd be website and catch you
again very soon. That is Mike Cawding and travel correspondent
ah Jus Libby has just told me that she had
her ears cleaned last week. There you go. I don't know.
I've done it as well. I've had it done before,

(01:38:14):
but only because one time I was presenting. I was
presenting TV and all of a sudden, one of my
ears just went whoop, and all of a sudden it
was blocked and I was like, oh my goodness, this
is Oh that's so gross. Since I had to have
an emergency ear cleaning, which was very satisfying. I'll tell
you what's dark, Libby. What's dark is getting into a
YouTube hole where you look at professional air cleaners. It's

(01:38:35):
a whole It is a whole industry. It's a whole
genre of different films on YouTube where they go and
these people who've never had the ears cleaned, and they
get the ears cleaned, and it's like, here's sixty years
of wax and debris. Anyway, leave you with that metal image.
It's just got to leve a thirty on News Talks edb.

Speaker 1 (01:38:59):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks edb.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Jason Pine is tapping his fingers away. That's music we bring.
It is so good day tune, so good. Flantorum Scene's
got a new album. If you listened to it yet,
I haven't. It came out yesterday. It's called Everybody's Scream,
which is very appropriate given it was kind of time
for Halloween. So we're going to play that in a
few minutes and no excuses for not tuning in. We'll
pick out a couple of good songs and play that

(01:39:42):
very shortly, and then of course you'll be in for
a weekend sport counting down to the All Blacks Ireland
kickoff tomorrow morning Soldier Field, Chicago, and Justin Marshall is
on the show.

Speaker 21 (01:39:53):
Yeah, Justin Marshall after mid day. He's been in Chicago
all week, just soaking things up. Question for you, Jack,
if the All Blacks don't win all four of the
remaining four tests of the year, how would we rate
the first two years of Razor's tenure as All Blacks
coach if they.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Well, I think you can only rate the performances on
the All Backs by performance, and I think you would
say that that's a mediocre result to say the least.
I would say, I would say below expectations. Yeah, I
think there's a note year criticism of him, but that's
the I think he would say the same thing.

Speaker 21 (01:40:27):
That's the reality. You're right, and I think Ireland is
probably the one. If you look at England, Island, Scotland, Wales,
you think Ireland, certainly in the last you know, five
to ten years, have been the team that we've struggled
most against so I'm so curious to see how they
come out tomorrow because they haven't played really together. They
had a couple of testama year, but they're missing eighteen
guys on the British and Irish lines to it, so

(01:40:49):
they haven't really played together as a full strength team
since March. So what'll be now November? So if you
haven't played since March, are you underdone or are you
absolutely fresh and raring to go? I guess it depends
on which way you look at it. I get the
feeling the All Blacks will will win the game tomorrow
and if they do that then I think that'll launch
them pretty well into the back end of the year.

(01:41:10):
I can't imagine us having too many problems with Wales
at the back back end of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
They've been pretty bad.

Speaker 21 (01:41:15):
England it twim will be tough in Scotland.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
I think it'll be a good Test.

Speaker 21 (01:41:17):
But yeah, I think most people would would be dissatisfied.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
If the All Blacks don't win all four. Yeah, I
think so too. Yes, I think that that's the reality
of things. Black Caps this afternoon as well. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 21 (01:41:29):
Yes, Skuys Stadium, it's what they call a dead rubber.
We've already won the series and England don't seem to
mess about with the bat in fifty over cricket and
it's been to their downfall both of the first two matches.
They haven't got past the thirty fourth over batting first
and New Zealand's chased it down. Okay, see Michael Bracewell
on the show this afternoon as we preview that one.

(01:41:49):
Also Jack, ten years to the day since we won
the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup? Is it really first
of November twenty fifteen here in New Zealand thirty one
October in the UK? Bodhen Barrett's sprinting away at the Yeah,
score that runaway try or that or that thatake ahead
try ten years ago?

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:42:09):
So Kiaren Reid is going to join us for a
wander down memory lane. What is he to remember of
that game?

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Often left?

Speaker 21 (01:42:15):
We've got a game this afternoon, how to go Media?
Lockland Brooks on the show and one of our rising
motorsports stars, Liam Skeet, So really impressive young man. Just
after one o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
Fantastic IF and Doubt and Motorsport they're all called Liam ah, well,
a good start to be a good driver. That's what
you call them, too, right, very good.

Speaker 16 (01:42:33):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
I I went to one of the All Blacks first.
I went to their first test at Soldier Field. So
I was the tvd US correspondent.

Speaker 7 (01:42:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Yeah, it was it twenty sixteens, the first year. Yeah,
I remember going there and I was there all week
with the team and going around and I remember I
went to the South Side of Chicago and I did
you know which is a predominantly African American neighborhood. And
I just went around and I asked people a very
simple question. I'd say, are you excited? Are you excited
to see the All Blacks?

Speaker 7 (01:42:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
And people were like, I'm sorry, I remember this one.
I said, excited to see the All Blacks? He said
the All Blacks and I was like, yeah, he decided
to see the All Blacks. And he's like, who are
the All Blacks? And I was like, it's the New
Zealand rugby team mate, come on, get with it. He's like,
you named your team the All Blacks. And I'm like, yeah,
it's like that that is an interesting name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, yes,

(01:43:24):
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She has read Proving Ground and she's here with us
this morning with her thoughts. Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 24 (01:44:06):
Here is a set against a background of la that's
just come out of COVID, and there's the wild fires
and it sort of adds this extra dimension to what's
going on in story. And he MEAs Mickey hal who's
also known as the Lincoln Lawyer, and he swapped his
criminal court profession for civil court and in this he's
suing this company called tidal Wave and it's an AI
company who developed this very realistic AI companion called Claire,

(01:44:30):
and Hayler alleges that it compelled a teenage boy, a
guy called Aaron Colton, to shoot and kill his former girlfriend,
and Rebecca Randolph is now in custody and the police
discovered and their investigation that he did this to please
his AI companion, who he's called Ren and how has
been hired by Rebecca's mother, a woman called Brenda, to

(01:44:51):
sue them to the company that created this this companion,
and she just really wants three things. She wants accountability
for their actions, action and what they're doing, and an apology.
And all company wants to do is offer a big
payout and her to sign a non disclosure statements. So
this has never talked about, so's she and Mickey Hatter

(01:45:11):
are really up against this mighte of Silicon Valley, and
Hayter's got to contend with these challenges to try and
deliver justice for her family and actually ends up being
his family as well. And you dive into this world
of artificial intelligence and the legal elements surrounding what you know,
this innovation that's changed the world so quickly and isn't regulated,
and given that speed of change, you know what we

(01:45:34):
should be doing, and of course there's tricks galore by
tidal Wave in the chairman Victor when to try and
stop the case from regressing, progressing this tampering and frightening
of witnesses, and Mickey, who's kind of deep in this
world of AI and doesn't really understand it, gets help
from this guy called Jack mclvoy who's a technical journalist.
But the level maneuvering that Michael Conley is so good

(01:45:54):
at was just intriguing, and it keeps you guessing as
to what going to happen next and how that you know,
kind of AI is changing our lives, and it's delivered
in that typical Michael Conley rollercoaster ride fashion and is
well worth a retail so good.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
Hey, guess what he's on the show next week. Michael
Chroles is our feature interview next week, So I'm really
looking forward to that because, Yeah, Proving Ground is an
absolute stonking read. Next up for us this weekend, You've
chosen Mad Mabel by Sally Hepworth.

Speaker 24 (01:46:22):
So this story follows Elsie when she's eighty one years
old and she's spent the last sixty years essentially in
solitude with her new identity and being quietly alone. She
lives on a place called Kenny Lane because the community
sixty years ago had branded her Mad Mabel, and she
was accused of a series of crimes in her youth,

(01:46:44):
and she was really that child that everyone looked at
when things went wrong, and when people got hurt or
accidents happened, it was always Mabel's fault. And so sixty
years on, she's very prickly, she's quite grumpy. She just
wants to live life alone. And beneath that sarcasm and
stubbiness is these secrets that she just doesn't want anyone

(01:47:05):
to uncover. And there's young Personfhone, who's the seven year
old neighbor who bounces completely into Elsie's life and refuses
to be shut out no matter what kind of Elsie
decides that she's going to do. And so this life
on Kenney Street is blowing. When one of her neighbors,
Immun dies and Mabel ends up finding him, and she's

(01:47:25):
considered a suspect in the public eyes, particularly when it
comes to on what her background was, and so she's
not anonymous anymore. And then two YouTubers contact her to
tell her side of the story, and that's how you
actually start to learn mabel story as she starts to
tell it, and it's moving and heartbreaking, and you get
these two alternate timelines. You know Mabel from the age

(01:47:47):
of three when her sister died of polio, and then
in the present timeline is Elsie at eighty one, who's
this quite charmingly grouchy woman who's slightly annoyed with people
and irritated. And the book at times is humorous and
at times sad, but it's Elsie is just this really
intriguing character and fantastic character that really gets under your skin,
really want to see what happens. And it's well, we're

(01:48:08):
sitting aside a few hours to hang out with with Elsie.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Yeah, great, Okay, that sounds that sounds really interesting, thank you.
So that's Mad Mabel by Sally Hepworth Proving Ground by
Michael Connelly as Catherine's first book. And like I say,
Michael is going to be on News Talks. He'd be
next Saturday morning is our feature interview. We'll have those
books up on the News Talks. He'd be website if
you want to read along at home as well. Right
now it is quartered to twelve new music from Florence

(01:48:33):
in the Machine next giving you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
The inside scoop on All You Need to Know Saturday
morning with Jack Dame Youth Talks, It'd.

Speaker 17 (01:48:41):
Be the street Lights Bursday us back on the street Lights, first.

Speaker 19 (01:49:00):
Set up, Never be great, health against things really gets
to be the time, it's money, be nice to be

(01:49:26):
a man, caring music just because we can't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Ah, that is so good, because that is so good?
Do you know I really do. I'm not just saying this.
I get the little like shiver up my spine when
Florence gets into her oppa re just to like that.
It is just it is like kind of soaring and
majestic and everything else. That is one of the greats
by Florence and the Machine from her new album Everybody Scream.

(01:49:55):
Chris Schultz has been listening and as with us this morning,
Good morning.

Speaker 10 (01:49:59):
Jack, I feel the same way right that that voice
is just it's even better on this album. It's she sounds,
it's more mature, it's deeper, but she's hitting higher notes
like it's fuller. There are moments like that all through
the album where she just hits you like these songs
sort of build slowly, often with like little grungy chords

(01:50:20):
or little guitar chords, and then it just ererupts into
the soaring anthem. And these are built for light live shows.
Like if you've seen her live, she that's her spot,
that's her play, has like communal kind of gut howls
with her crowds, and she gets down in the crowd.
She often spends a lot of time just out in
with the fans performing, and these songs are.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Belt for that.

Speaker 10 (01:50:44):
There, Yeah, it's the album.

Speaker 5 (01:50:45):
It just.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Like I think, if you think about and I'm using
this term loosely mainstream pop, okay, but if you think
if you think about the prominent artists of the last
fifteen or twenty years, I would put Florence Welch in
the absolute top echelon for singers whose voices you recognize immediately.

Speaker 13 (01:51:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
There is something about her voice that is just like,
I don't know what it is, but you just you
hear it, and whether it's on her music or anywhere else,
the moment you hear it, you're like, oh, there's Florence.
There's Florence.

Speaker 10 (01:51:16):
I think you're right, but you know, she's not a
pop star. No, not Yeah, she's headlined Glastonbury. Yeah, she's
worked with Taylor Swift, but you wouldn't say she's like Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
No, no, no, she's not kind of syrupy and it's
not yeah yeah, yeah, you're right. She's kind of grungier
or there's a mora alternativepecially on this album.

Speaker 10 (01:51:34):
So this is made with Aaron Dresner, who made Taylor
Swift slash Through not the most recent album of the
last three ones Folklore ever more in torture Poets, the
acoustic emotional albums, this is the guy you turn to
when you want to make this kind of music. There's
also an incredible story behind this album. She had there's

(01:51:55):
a story in The Guardian. She's only done this one
big interview about it. She had a miscarriage in twenty
twenty three, went on stage afterwards, was feeling a bit
woozy and went home and then only because a doctor
made her go and get a scan did she find
out that she was kind of hours away from really
serious consequences nearly killed her.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Geez.

Speaker 10 (01:52:16):
So this album is about that. There's a lot of
like which he howls. One of the lyrics is like,
you know, I'm Back from the Dead. There's a lot
of like just like kind of like really primal kind
of shrieks, almost like she's dancing around a cauldron, yelling
into the forest sort of thing. It's that kind of album.
She's really going for it. The other the other really

(01:52:38):
interesting thing to note is she's wrestling with fame on
a lot of these songs because she thought about giving
it up, and some of the lyrics are quite direct,
like I can't give it up because I love like
her places, those live shows, that's where she wants to be,
she needs to be.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Yeah, that line, it must be nice to be a
man and make music just because you can. There's so good.

Speaker 10 (01:52:59):
A every time I hear that, it's so great.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Yeah, so okay, So so in terms of this versus
previous releases, is it you Reckon? It's slightly grungier, slightly darker,
and leaning more into the kind of pagan around the
cauldron thing than ever before that.

Speaker 10 (01:53:20):
Definitely I think too. She's she's meeting this moment where
female artists are really stepping up and just letting it
all hang out there that you know, you look at
Lord's Virgin. She stripped herself back and found this new
version of herself that you know Lily Allen's album last
week where she just you know, did this brutal ride
through her divorce. This is very of the moment, and

(01:53:44):
I think that's why it feels punchier because she's she's
being more personal about it. This is this is real.
You know, this happened to her, and this is what
the album's about. You know, she the closest she's come
to making life is the closest she's come to losing
her own life, and she's come out with this incredible
album about it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
So yeah, it's quite I'm so looking forward to listening
to this, you know, like this is really sounds like
a bit of me, to be honest. I just I
love her music. I think she's amazing. I've seen her
live as well. She's just Yes, she is incredible. So
what did you give it?

Speaker 10 (01:54:18):
I'm going to give this eight out of ten. And
I also fingers crossed. Yeah for a live show down here, Wilson.
I want to see a spark Arena, full house, out
in the crowd. I want to see these songs live.
That's where they're meant to be played.

Speaker 4 (01:54:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
Nice, Okay, So everybody screen is Florence and the Machine's
new album will play a bit more in a couple
of minutes. Pick up one of those big powerful tracks.
Chris Schultz, of course, is on substack. His substack is
called boiler Room. You'll be able to find that and
we'll be back in a couple of minutes. Right now
at seven to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
dam News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
Right oh, I'm handing over the studio, the baton, and
the microphone to Jason Pine for weekend Sport. In a
couple of minutes. He is counting down to the All
Blacks Chicago test tomorrow morning with Justin Marshall and Karen
Read on the show. Thank you very much for your
company all throughout this morning. Really appreciate it everything from
our shows on the news Talks, he'd be website. Thank
you so much for all your text and emails throughout

(01:55:16):
the morning as well, and to my wonderful producer Libby
who got her ears clean for the first time last week.
Sounds like a great experience, but really appreciate for her help.
We're going to leave you with Florence and the Machine
her new album is Everybody's Scream. This is Sympathy Magic.
I'll see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Take it, Jimmy have.

Speaker 11 (01:55:46):
Come on, I can take it, Jimmy Have.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
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