Full Show Podcast: 02 November 2024

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Good morning and welcome to News Talks ed V. Jack
Tame live with you this morning out of Washington, d C,
the US capital, Three and a half days from what
I think is probably the single most contentious election in
modern American history. Massive three and a half days, four
days here ahead as we count down to election day itself.
But before that, of course, we have a massive weekend

(01:13):
of sport. We've got the All Blacks taking on England
at Twickenham. We have the first hometown derby in the
A League. Can't wait for that, Auckland FC taking on
the Phoenix tonight. And hey, the Black HAPs dare I
believe they might make it three from three in India.
We're gonna look at all that very shortly. Plus we've
got your film picks for the week before ten o'clock.
Right now it is eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Team Who's gonna win? Ugh?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
How I wish I could tell you from here in
the heart of Washington, d C. I am happy to
be humble this morning. I really think that anyone who
says with supreme confidence or with a sense of certainty
that they know who the next president of the US
is going to be is honestly just blagging. I don't

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think anyone knows. But it's interesting. I have spent the
last week on the road, so I've been through parts
of Arizona. I've been through Georgia, New York, and DC,
from a Donald Trump rally in Atlanta to Kamala Harris's
closing argument in front of the White House. Now I've
spoken with African American voters backing Donald Trump, new migrant

(02:24):
voters voting for the first time, abortion rights advocates, business owners,
a cryptocurrency organizer, and a professor of constitutional law. And
I think one of the consistent qualities across all of
those people is just how exhausted people in the US
are by the whole thing. They are so ready for

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this race to be over. But here is what I
think could be the qualities that ultimately define the contest.
Number One, I reckon this is a massive one to
watch the gender divide so at the moment, there is
a sixteen or seventeen point difference between male and female
preferences in this election. More than sixty million votes have

(03:06):
already been cast, and given that we still have a
weekend here in the US before election day, it seems
very likely that more than half of voters will cast
ballots before Wednesday. And here's why that's notable. Of the
vote's cast so far, women are voting at much higher
levels than men. It's about fifty five percent of early

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votes have been cast by women, forty five percent by men.
A married couple who are really good friends of mine
experience this firsthand. So he loves Donald Trump. She absolutely
loathes him. They kind of just agree to mostly avoid
talking politics at home. But something similar must be playing
out in tens of thousands of American households. Donald Trump's

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strategy relies on turning out heaps of young men, hence
the bro podcasts that he's been doing, hence his attendance
at UFC Fight Night, the embracing of cryptocurrency, and Elon Musk.
And you'd have to say it is a risky strategy
in the young men belong to the demographic that is

(04:09):
most likely not to vote. But look, I've been doing
this long enough to know that Donald Trump has made
a real habit of bucking conventional wisdom in politics. Number Two,
the economy always factors in people's choices. But aside from that,
and aside from Donald Trump's character, there are two highly

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motivating issues in the selection. Number one is border security
and immigration, and number two is abortion access. If you
go to the rallies or you hear the candidates spect
Donald Trump absolutely hammers the border issue. Similarly, Karmala Harris
absolutely hammers reproductive rights. Both of those figure that those

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are highly motivating issues for their voter bases. And the
third factor that I think we should keep an eye
on over the next couple of days, or at the
very least keep in mind is the polls. Now, look,
I told myself in twenty sixteen that I would not
trust the polls in the US. Again, I told myself
in twenty twenty that I would not trust the polls again,
and here we are the problem is that the polsters

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don't release their modeling. So how do you account for
Donald Trump's support among young men if young men don't
usually vote in the same numbers as other demographics. If
people have misled polsters in the past by telling them, yeah,
they were supporting Hillary Clinton or they are supporting Joe
Biden when actually they were voting for Donald Trump, will

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they do that again this year? Or has that sense
of embarrassment or shame or whatever it was with Donald
Trump in the past. Is that a phenomenon that no
longer exists Right now? Kamala Harris is doing worse in
the polls than Hillary Clinton was doing at the stage
of the race, worse than Joe Biden was doing at

(05:52):
the same point. But is there a chance that the
polsters have overcorrected in their models? The election is this Wednesday,
New Zealand time, I reckon it is pretty unlikely that
we will have a definitive result on that day, and
it's going to take time before either Karrmala Harris or
Donald Trump is officially the president elect. But regardless of

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who wins, I think, sadly, having traveled around this country,
that the American electorate is going to remain is going
to remain bitterly, bitterly divided.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
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Sixteen minutes past nine on newstalk 'bu were Jack Tame
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I've put one thousand dollars on the fact that Donald
Trump is going to win on Tuesday, says Ben. So
there's been Ben is one of these people who's feeling
a whole lot more confident in making a call than
I am. I certainly would not be putting any money
on this race so far, Jack, really enjoying your reports
from the US. Feels like a really, really tense time.

(07:36):
How does it feel on the ground in DC? You
know what is interesting. I was here four years ago
for Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and at this stage,
right before the election, all throughout central Washington, d C.
Crews were going around boarding up all of the windows,
so all of the businesses, all of the hotels, everything
in downtown Washington, d C was boarded up ahead of

(07:57):
the election because they were expecting potential civil unrest. Now,
nothing eventuated in the immediacy of the election four years ago.
But it's interesting because this time round, despite what happened
on January sixth, after the last election, there is very
little in terms of additional security that's obvious for businesses.
So I think I've seen like two businesses that have
been boarded up, but apart from that, nothing at this stage.

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in the kitchen. Our cook for us this morning is
getting a bit innovative on her barbecue. She reckon, you
can make really really good barbecue pizzas. So I'm going
to tell you more about that right now. Though Kevin

(08:41):
Milne is with us this morning, more than a Kevin.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Good morning, Jack, I thought we should stick with the
with the US elections, actually, and rather than bore everybody
with my s in my opinions on the matter, it
would be much more important. I think they have more
of yours. And I've put together a few questions that
i'd just like to ask you on behalf of the listeners.

(09:05):
Are you are you happy to Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Absolutely absolutely, I'll do my best. I'll do my best,
all right.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
First one, is Trump's popularity still a mystery to Democrat
aligned Americans or do they now at least get why
he's so popular?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Okay, great question. I think many of them have a
better understanding of why people voted for Donald Trump in
the first place. And I think what's interesting to me
in this election is how much people are talking about NAFTA.
That's a name that might be familiar to some people.
That's the North American Free Trade Agreement that was signed
by Bill Clinton. Came into force thirty years ago, and

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it fundamentally changed the manufacturing industry in the US, and
that all of a sudden, it made sense for big
companies in the Midwest to send their factories overseas, send
their manufacturing overseas, and all of those middle class jobs
in the Midwest disappears.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Now.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I think for decades people basically forgot about the people
who had been working in those factories, and all of
a sudden, when Donald Trump was elected for the first time,
there was a bit of a aha, wake up moment
for lots of Democrats who are like, you know what, Actually,
we haven't supported the tens of millions of people for
whose lives are materially worse off than their parents' generation.

(10:24):
So I think democrats understand that. Now. That being said,
I reckon a lot of Democrats still don't understand how
Donald Trump supporters can reconcile some of his personal qualities,
some of his character qualities with his leadership. I think
a lot of people are still totally perplexed by that.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yes, yes, would you accept that Trump's popularity is still
a mystery to most New Zealanders who see him as
little more than a buffoon. I mean, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, good guy. I mean, I think if you were
a pole New Zealanders, a majority probably wouldn't support Donald Trump.
But I think you'd be surprised actually by the number
of Donald Trump support And you know, like there are
a lot of people who really support his policies, a
lot of people who think that you know, has trade
policies make a lot of sense. They think there's leadership
is strong, and you know, one of the most interesting

(11:18):
conversations I've had this week, I think is a view
that lots of Keiwis would hold as well. It was
with a guy, really educated guy who's supporting Donald Trump
because he said, this is the only president in the
modern era who hasn't had any major wars start on
his watch. And that's true. You know that that's totally true.
I think there are a lot of Kiwis who would
agree with that.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
You've sort of answered my next question really was, which
is have you talked to intelligent Trump supporters? You know,
good people and got any new insights from them.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, I mean to take my friend for example. You know,
first of all, there are lots of really intelligent Donald
Trump supporters, and I think that there's a real danger
for those people who who don't like Trump will find
him a bit of an odious character to you know,
compare Donald Trum supporters to garbage for example, or or
you know, or to try and you know, belittle them.

(12:13):
You know, I think talking talking to the really educated,
mind loving friend of mine who's a big Donald Trump supporter.
It just brought his fourth Trump T shirt the other day,
I think I think he was in a different information
ecosystem than me. That's one way I'd put it, delicately,
Like the places he was going for his media that

(12:37):
the friend circles he's interacting with, they probably didn't have
the same crossover or any crossover with some of the
information networks that I'm coming across. So yeah, I actually
think that, you know, people support Trump for a whole
range of reasons, and yeah, that does definitely include you know,

(12:57):
really intelligent, educated people who might just think that Trump has,
you know, for whatever personal qualities he might have, he
has really effect of policies and actually he's elevating the
US on the international stage.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Do you think that New Zealand media has explained that
well enough to new Zake.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, I reckon, I reckon. We haven't experienced the same
hollowing out of a manufacturing base. Like if you think
about the post World War II era in the US,
it was a period of massive prosperity, right because you
had all of this incredible manufacturing that took place, and
the baby boomer generation really benefited from that. Now, I
don't think New Zealand's ever had the same level of

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manufacturing base, but it's comparable to the UK. But think
about how the northern parts of the UK, you know,
areas like Newcastle, you know, have have seen so much
of their industry move away, and how there's been a
kind of a political and economic retaliation to that. I

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think fortunately we probably haven't haven't relied on manufacturing in
the same way, and haven't relied on industry in the
same way that the US and the UK, And I
would like to think that we've done a better better
job of kind of of helping different parts of our
economic based transition through change over the years than they have.
Over here.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, I suppose I was thinking about whether the media
had explained to New Zealanders why Trump is so popular,
so that we've got a kind of a round of
view of the guy. I mean. The last one is
at the Kingdom of Bling, the new Richard O'Brien satirical

(14:39):
musical all based around Trump. I mean, O'Brien hates Trump, and.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Of course it.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Went down extraordinarily well with the audience. But given that
there are so many intelligent Americans voting for him, there's
got to be much more to them. And I just
don't feel I've been confronted with why that would be
the case.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I mean, but there are definitely economic policies that a
lot a lot of Americans would agree with. And you know,
they always say that people think about their about their
you know, their hip pocket voters, right, they think about
their their paycheck first. And and you know Trump, I
was at as rally the other day. He starts off
by coming out same thing every single rally. He comes
out and says a simple question, are you better off
today than you were four years ago? And there are

(15:29):
heaps of Americans who would immediately say, no, I'm not.
And you can debate who's responsible for that, But I
reckon he really taps into that message.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
You've already touched on.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
In fact, made a big point of the genders abide
in the selection, given that Kamala Harris is an obviously
a woman and Trump's position on abortion rights, could an
increased female vote keep the Democrats on power?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, yes, I mean one of Donald Trump's big supporters
tweeted out yesterday that if men don't vote, Donald Trump
loses and Karmela will be president. I just think it's
really easy to understate or or to gloss over how
significant it is to have a sixteen or seventeen point
difference between the ways in which men and women are voting,

(16:18):
like there was just that's an historic difference, you know,
So something like fifty six to thirty seven percent men
versus women supporting Trump and supporting Kamala Harris, and I
mean that that is extraordinary. What would be amazing is
if Kamala Harris were to win that the extent to
which Donald Trump's past moves on abortion rights in the

(16:40):
Supreme Court ultimately cost him the presidency this time round.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Right, Okay, so I'm not going to ask you who
you think's going to win. But according to the experts
I've heard, Trump appears to be a very narrow favorite
to win the election. Just from the sort of the
experts point of view. I hear your view that you're
too hard to tell.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I don't think even the experts no given I honestly,
I mean I reckon the experts who are saying that
are saying that because they don't want to be embarrassed
by calling Kamala Harris the favorite and then Donald Trump
being the winner. I just think there are so many
different ways you can read this. I mean, you're looking
at the polls, like I say, it's so hard to
interpret them without the underlying modeling. I really think it's
a toss up.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, thank you very much, Jack. That's great information.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
My pleasure, Kevin. Great to chat with you. As always.
I'll get to worry your feedback in a couple of minutes.
All right, now, it is twenty six minutes past nine.
You're with Jack Tame. This is Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Just going up to nine thirty on News Talks edb
our Sporto. Andrew Saville is here and sav All backs
England twicken Am four o'clock and tomorrow morning and Boden
Barrett will be starting at ten. What do you make
the call?

Speaker 7 (17:57):
Yeah, Hi Jack, I hope all well, hope all's well
over there, Yet another bump weekend of sport got a
lot to get through. Yes, all Blacks tomorrow morning early
hours against England at Twickers. Are not a huge surprise
about Barrett playing at Tea and I think they see
Scott Robertson and Kosis Barrett is the more high percented
choice against these Northern Hemisphere sides. I wouldn't be surprised

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if he starts next week against Ireland and also against
the French. Damien McKenzie. I think he did well earlier
in the season under very very trying circumstances, under new
coaches and some new players and the team as well.
But Boden Barrett for these games. I wouldn't have minded
starting McKenzie because he gives you something a little bit
different the bone. Barrett will certainly steer the team around

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the park and then I'll bring mckensey on either to
fall back or ten later in the game, intriguing game
tomorrow morning Jack. I think the All Blacks, despite a
few losses, have improved from July when they played England here.
The English haven't played a Test since then, but they'll
be certainly knowing well, they'll know rather what to expect
from this All Black side under Scott Robertson.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
So h yeah or or less to be on top
of things Day one of the Third Test against the
black Caps until just a couple of overs of madness really,
But I mean, look, I said this last week. I
think I said it before. I dare not dream too
much when it comes to the black Caps, but then
not in a bad position.

Speaker 7 (19:24):
I think the runout of Coli late in the day,
it was a massive wicket. He's really struggled in this
series against the black Caps, which is not often you
say that in India. For at Coley, so two thirty
five from the black Caps eighty six four. That's it's
evenly poised. If the Indians have a big partnership tonight
they will They would reach that too thirty five, I'd say,

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and pass it quite comfortably sets up with the black Caps.
I think PTol is the key. No Mitch sat in
them because of injuries. So bet is the key in Mumbai.
If they can tweak out a few wickets early on,
then it's came on for the black Caps again. And
who would have thought that and the head us in
cricket that the black Caps could well have a clean

(20:09):
sweep of a Test series. And it's quite it's quite remarkable.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Just when we were thinking, like literally a month ago,
and they perform really poorly in Sri Lanka. It's just yeah,
that's amazing. This is a great thing about.

Speaker 7 (20:23):
Tom that speed gets thicker anyway. So Liam Lawson Formula one,
he's qualified for the sprint race tomorrow morning, doing a
great job again. So Yuki Somoda as teammate, finished outside
the top ten. Sergio Perez, the Red Bull driver under
all sorts of pressure, also outside the top ten. So

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Lawson has done a wonderful job again. And let's not
forget Jack that the Racing Balls car, they're not bad cars,
but they're not quite up there with Red Bull Ferrari McLaren's.
So Lawson is doing an outstanding job and a car
that's not expected really to be up near the front runners.

(21:05):
I wouldn't be surprised after this Brazilian Grand Prix, there
is a three week break. I wouldn't be surprised if
Red Ball makes a move, gets rid of pe Reason
and lifts Laws into that top team alongside Max for Saven,
which would be a staggering achievement.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
That would be huge. Yeah again that we don't we
dore not dream. Yeah, I mean, obviously the events of
last week were pretty remarkable for Lian Lawson. Why do
they do that with the Racing Balls team? Given given
their association with the Red Bull team, Why do they
have cars that just aren't quite as good? Why can't
they have cars that the same across the board? I

(21:42):
never understand that. Surely it's not money.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
Well I think I think it is to a large degree.
I think they pump a lot more money into that
top Red Bull team. They pump more money to their drivers.
Racing Balls has always been seen or Alpertur or other
names over the years, are seen as a junior development team.
That's why it was odd that they had Daniel Ricardo
and that team for a couple of seasons. So yeah,

(22:04):
it's it's it's just one of those just one of
those if one historical things that that teams know and
drivers put up with Rugby League tonight to Jack eight
o'clock Kiwi's Tonga Shawn Johnson's definite last game in New Zealand.
If they win or whoever wins, this game should be
a close one will play as failure in the final

(22:27):
of the Pacific Championship Series next weekend. Had the great
honor of sitting down with Mark and Luke Graham yesterday.
I know you had them on the show time ago
talking about Charco, the documentary that Luke has made about
his father. It's it's a great watch. I think it
comes out in Cinema's next Thursday. If you're into sport,
into league or just into watching a great documentary about

(22:52):
a legend of New Zealand sport on and off the field.
This is this is a great watch.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Talk about a humble man.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
He is remarked, Yeah, totally endorse that.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Enjoy the weekend, like you're saying, glassive weekend of sport
and NEWSBALKSB is gonna have live coverage of the All
Blacks versus England from Twickenham just after four o'clock tomorrow morning.
Thank you very much for your feedback. Jack came, Wow,
what has happened to you? A changed man? The best
well rounded, informative, non biased political discussion I had ever
heard you give. It's going to double check at that

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number hasn't come from my mum or my wife or
someone like that. Ninety two. If you want to send
us a message, you've got your film picks for this
week next. Right now, it is twenty five to ten
on Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 8 (23:47):
Screen.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
That is Lady Hawk. She's just she's done an amazing thing.
I think Lady Hawk, she's really kind of captured the
essence of eighties pop given a little twist and yes,
some extraordinary music. She is our feature interview after ten
o'clock this morning. She is going back to her first
ever album as Lady Hawk, and she's going to be
performing that live, so we're going to talk to her

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about that after ten o'clock. Very much looking forward to that.
Right now, THO, it's twenty two minutes to ten. Francisca Runken,
our film reviewer, is with us this morning.

Speaker 9 (24:23):
Morning that good morning.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Okay. Both of your films for us this week are
showing in cinemas at the moment, so let's start off
with the one starring Robin Wright and Tom Hanks. This
is here.

Speaker 10 (24:38):
Hey, Dad, they didn't meet Margaret.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Nice to meet from Laura.

Speaker 9 (24:42):
Nice to meet you, mister young.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know, if you like, you could spend the rest
of your night here.

Speaker 11 (24:56):
I just spend the rest of my life here.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Okay, that is here, tell us about it, Francisca.

Speaker 12 (25:04):
Okay. So this is directed by Robert Zemeckis and he
reunites with his Forest Gump cast, Tom Hanks and Robin
Wright in this film. And the gimmick here is that
the film is set on one piece of land which
then becomes once a house is built, one living room
of a house over decades, and we take a look

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at the different people who have lived in this house
and on this land. So we kind of travel through
time capturing all these historic moments. It's one locked off
shot inside this living room, Jack. And it turns out
I find that hugely frustrating to watch, probably because it

(25:52):
sets the film up as a piece of theater. It
creates a theater environment. So the cast, which is exceptional, amazing.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Names in this cast.

Speaker 12 (26:02):
They all have to act towards the camera, but of
course can't look at the camera. So it's like a
group of actors on a stage and they're all overacting.
There's fake laughing. It's just it did my head. And
there's nothing natialistic about this film at all. So they're
all performing while avoiding this camera, and you've got this

(26:23):
locked off shop. I hadn't quite realized how that locked
off shop can distance you from what is going on.
It made this film quite cold and really hard to
kind of interact with it, and I was just begging
for that camera to move. So I think because of
the setup, because of the way it's kind of designed.

(26:43):
This would be so cool if it was a visual
display in a museum kind of taking you through history,
but as a drama that we're supposed to sort of
engage and get this feeling for time and these historic
events and family and place and how generations have changed
but still say the same, all these really interesting ideas,

(27:04):
but it's just so for us straighting to watch. Thanksgiving
is coming up, of course in the US, and I
wonder whether it is kind of more to appeal to
that audience a bit of you.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
Know, being grateful for family and home and where we are.

Speaker 12 (27:18):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I just thought this was such
a waste of a great cast and just I mean,
we go through everything we have. We have a Native
American courtship, we have the the the Franklin family during
the Civil War. There's the inventor of the lazy Boy.
I don't know why he made the cut. And then
we sort of have this family, which is where Tom

(27:38):
Hanks and Robin Wright come in, and they use that
anti aging software they have that we've seen used in
films before Jack. So they play these characters very young,
grown up, but at they're just really just a very normal,
boring marriage. I didn't really get anything from it. So yeah,
I was just a bit disappointed in this little number.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
A glowing review, A glowing review of.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
That's a shame, though, because when I saw Robin write
and Tom Hanks, I was like, oh my gosh, that's
so exciting. Yeah, but in fact I was actually, you know,
I'm here in Washington, d C. I went for a
run last night past the Lincoln Memorial, you know, which
is the one that looks the reflecting Paul. And every
time I go past here, I think about Forest Gump,
and I think about that moment.

Speaker 9 (28:20):
She dives in runs up yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, but it sounds like it sounds like here doesn't
really have the same kind of iconic Well, yeah, Jack,
I think if you.

Speaker 12 (28:32):
Maybe, if you do really enjoy theater, then you'll enjoy
the film. That's quite a positive.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, okay, yeah, very good. All right, So that is
here that is showing in cinemas now also showing in cinemas.
This is a different man.

Speaker 13 (28:47):
What's your name?

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Oh hey, neighbor.

Speaker 14 (28:52):
People can be cruel, I imagic.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
This drug seems to have the potential to actually heal you.
The implications life changing, and I believe my.

Speaker 9 (29:07):
All.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Okay, that's a different man, tell us about it, Francisco.

Speaker 12 (29:15):
So this film stars Sebastian stan who is doing a
really interesting body of work at the moment. Most people
will know him as the Winter Soldier from the Marvel films,
and sort of after spending fifteen years in the Marvel
universe and getting those wonderful paychecks, it's given him an
opportunity to kind of pick some edgy independent films. And
he's currently starring this film and also playing Trump in

(29:36):
The Apprentice, which is on at cinemas at the moment
as well. And he is a wanna be actor, and
he has a condition that means that his face is
covered in tumors. He's got this very disfigured face, and
he gets the opportunity to join an experimental medical study
and he jumps at this chance because there's a possibility
he could be cured. It's incredibly painful process, but it

(29:58):
works and it transforms his appearance into a good look
and average guy. So he changes his name from Edward
to Guy and he gets on with his life. But
this is sort of a film that takes the lock
at the idea of identity and beauty and sort of
being your authentic self and being physically beautiful isn't all

(30:21):
sort of it's jacked up to be. He feels he's
lost his identity and this becomes really apparent when he
discovers his old neighbor who had a bit of a
crush on when he was Edward, and she has written
a play based on him, about a man who lives
with this disfigurement. So he goes and he says, I
have to play this part. So he gets the part,

(30:41):
only to end up losing the part to another gentleman
played by Adam Pearson, who is actually disfigured, so he
has this huge kind of crisis of identity. This is
out there, This is out there. It's a black comedy.
It's really edgy, it's very clever, really interesting things. It's
very unique. I love the fact that something a little

(31:02):
bit different and tackles a really interesting topic in a
different way. And Seas and Stand is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
U Okay, great, that sounds like a bit of me.
Thank you very much for that franchise, because so that's
a different man. Francisca's first film, the one with Tom
Hanks and Robin Wright, is here, and of course both
of those will be up on the News Talk's EDB website.
They're showing cinemas at the moment. So if you are
feeling like you just want to stay at home, you
just want to veg out on the caps this weekend
after ten o'clock, we've got our screen time recommendations for

(31:28):
this week, so the shows to watch and stream at home.
And there's this new show called A Remarkable Place to
Die that we're going to tell you about. It's a
New Zealand made murder mystery. You can probably guess where
it's set from that title. A remarkable place to die.
We'll tell you more about that very shortly. Food next though.
Quarter to ten on Newstalks EDB.

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You certainly can. God love technology when it works. Jack,
Absolutely love your content this morning. It is an absolutely
fascinating contest between Donald Trump and Karmala Harris. I'm back
in Krmala Harris. Don't understand how anyone could vote for
Donald Trump. Jack, My wife and I are huge Donald
Trump fans. Thank you for your comments this morning. I

(32:20):
feel like it's helped some other people to understand why
he is such a good candidate. There is one curious
thing I think with Donald Trump, and I've been asking
people about it this week, that if you put all
the policies to one side, if you put all of
the candidate's personal qualities to one side, one thing I
find really interesting and I always as ask Donald Trump's

(32:42):
abort us about it is democracy. Did they believe the
last election was fair because they went through all sorts
of legal processes here, and of course nothing has been
proven in terms of election interference. But Donald Trump continues
to claim that the last election was stolen from him,
and I think that if you put all of those
other things to one side, that that is still something

(33:04):
that I find it hard to reconcile, find it hard
to see how people can accept that. I asked my
maid about it the other day, the big Trump supporter.
I said, oh, do you think the last election was fair?
And when he answered, it became obvious to me that clearly,
again we are in different information ecosystems, and I think
that's one of the big problems here that people are

(33:25):
kind of in bubbles, both on the Democrat side and
on the Republican side, and there's just not much crossover
at the moment. Anyway, I'll get tomorrow feedback very shortly.
Now it is time to talk food. In our cook
nicki Wickx is with us this morning. Niki barbecue pizza.
I gotta be honest, I've felt a little bit nervous
about this one, only because barbecues don't usually get that hot,

(33:45):
do they?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
They do?

Speaker 15 (33:47):
So good morning, Jack, Yes, they absolutely do get that hot.
I mean, these days people have those hooded barbecues and
they're just like an outdoor kitchen.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
To be honest.

Speaker 15 (33:56):
And I have just got a new one, and I've
always cooked on an old one that didn't.

Speaker 10 (34:00):
Have a hood.

Speaker 15 (34:01):
But now my whole world has opened up to me
and now it's like this red hot pizza oven I
need it to be, which is amazing.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
That being said, though, the moment you lift the hood,
you lose all of the heat instantly, right, So if
you're running and then you lift it and it's okay,
it's going to take a couple of minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 15 (34:19):
But you know, pizza, according to Italian tradition, should only
take I think it's something like seventy seconds or ninety
seconds to cook. So I mean if we leave it
on for a bit longer, I think we're still winning.
So look, I've taken all sorts of shortcuts here, including
cooking it on a barbecue. You get that barbecue. Look,
you could use an oven for this, but were wanting
it to get up to about two twenty something like
that degree celsius. And what I've actually used, Jack, is

(34:42):
I've taken a large sort of Turkish pee day or
one of those lovely big flat breads I would work
for Kutcha. But you take the top crust off, so
that then it's kind of open for flavors. Hello, open
for business. You can turn that little bit of crust
into some of the bread crumbs, and then all I
do is spoon over a couple of big dollars, maybe
half a cup of cream fresh and you sort of

(35:04):
just spoon that cover off that exposed bread. Half a
cup of grated cheese. I use parnishan, but you could
use some grated mozzarella.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
No problem.

Speaker 15 (35:13):
This particular pizza, I.

Speaker 16 (35:14):
Decided to make fongi all things mushrooms that whole are
two cups of sliced mushrooms, but mushrooms, brown portabello ones
was beautiful, some sprigs of rose.

Speaker 15 (35:25):
We just toss all of those over that that sort
of cheese spread that you've made. Scatter over a bit
more grated cheese on top, some herbs, some good amount
of salt and pepper, a decent drizzle of olive oil,
and as you say, what that barbecue chop off and
then a lot of the ones with the hogs. They
have this extra rack kind of that's above the barbecue plates.
So the trick is to pop your pizza bread on

(35:48):
that doesn't have to go on a tin or anything,
because the bread's quite sturdy, and then bake it off,
leave it for about ten minutes, maybe fifteen. It'll be
bubbling the crystal.

Speaker 12 (35:57):
You know. It's like a deep dish pizza.

Speaker 15 (35:59):
I suppose you being in America made me think of it.
And then as soon as it comes out, I crumble
over some blue for this particular one, scatter over some
parsley and get into it. It's amazing. But of course
the toppings can be endless.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, of course no they can. Yeah, that sounds
that sounds superb. Thank you so much, Nikki. My parents
always do that, always cook big Turkish pda on the
on the barbecue, and I mean you can. There's no
such thing as too much olive oil and garlic as
far as I'm concerned. So whether or not you cut
the top off or not, you can kind of score
the bread as well. Cooking it in the barbecue makes
suuch a difference. So we're going to make sure that

(36:36):
Nicky's recipe there for her fungy pizza Bread on the
Barbecue is up and available on the news talks HEB website.
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Live from Washington, DC in the US. I've had a
pretty crazy week. Traveled last weekend from New York to Arizona,
to Georgia back up to New York, through Pennsylvania back
down to DC. So here of course ahead of the

(37:57):
US election Wednesday, New Zealand Time. Thank you so much
for your feedback. Jack, really enjoyed your comments this morning
and explanation of the Donald Trump phenomenon. I agree with you.
A big reason, Jack, is that the support from Donald
Trump comes from economic issues, especially industry and manufacturing. I
do reckon you know, a lot of Donald Trump's support

(38:17):
is going to lead to a major rethink for free
trade around the world, which could have massive implications for
New Zealand. Anyway, I'll tell you a bit more about
that after ten o'clock this morning, and some of my
other reckons and insights from being on the road here
some of the fascinating conversations I've had both at Krmala
Harris and Donald Trump rallies this week. After ten o'clock though,
our feature interview this morning is Kiwi music legend Lady Hawk.

(38:41):
She is going back and playing that first album of hers,
Lady Hawk, with all the bangers. She's going to explain
why very shortly. I'm looking forward to catching up to her.
News is next though it is almost ten o'clock. I'm
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Still still.

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What a jam. The year is two thousand and nine.
You turn on the radio and yeah, the moment you
hear that, you know who it is. That is Lady
Hawk of course aka Pitt Brown. She stormed to number
one on the New Zealand album charts with her self
titled debut and this hit song, and it led to
a s new of music awards, international tours, a couple

(40:03):
more albums in the years since. The thing about Lady
Hawk because she cleverly blends those eighties influencers with modern
indie rock, and now she is circling back to play
her entire debut album at the upcoming others Way Festival
in Tarmaki, Makoto, Auckland. Lady Hawk aka Pit is with
us this morning.

Speaker 11 (40:21):
Calda, good morning, Yoda, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
It's so good to be seeing you, and so exciting
to know that you are going to be playing Lady
Hawk as Lady Hawk. So you're going to be playing
your album as Lady Hawk, your first album. Why why
do you want to turn back the hands of time?

Speaker 11 (40:39):
It's been sort of a thing for me I wanted
to do. It's like, first of all, it's an anniversary.
I'm like fifteen years.

Speaker 17 (40:46):
I don't yeah, yeah, I mean it feels like two
years ago to me, But yeah, I just thought. I
knew I had a few tours and a few shows
coming up this year, and I thought, why don't I
do something special and do the first record front to back.

Speaker 11 (41:02):
There's a couple of songs on it that I'd never.

Speaker 17 (41:04):
Played live, but really, so yeah, I just of I
don't know why I never did, but yeah, so that's
been really nice for me to Well do.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
You have any sense as to Wade?

Speaker 12 (41:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (41:15):
No, some of them I think in my brain, Like
when that first record came out, I was always like, well,
I've got to play just the upbeat ones, you know,
oh yeah, slower ones no, because I always thought I
have to keep the crowd excited.

Speaker 11 (41:25):
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, now I'm like, I'm sure
they'll enjoy the slower ones. And actually, now that I
play these songs, I'm like, they're not slow at all.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
So yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Light and Shade anyway, isn't it. Yeah,
Light and Shade.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
So you've been playing because you've toured Australia this year,
right yeah, in the UK? Yeah right, so and you've
played this to those audiences. How do they how do
they receive it?

Speaker 18 (41:45):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (41:45):
So Stokeday, everyone's just like really happy and I love
looking out and seeing everyone singing along. And I know
it's a bit of a nostalgia trip for people, which
is which is awesome for me too.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Is it a nostalgia trip? I suppose it is, Like
you said, I like.

Speaker 11 (41:59):
That you're questioning it though, because it makes me feel better.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
I mean it's you know, you and I are of
a similar Ilken age, and I think young yea, yeah, exactly,
incredibly youthful, incredibly vibrant. I mean, describe to us what
your life was like then when when you wrote this
album for the first time, Like, take us back, what
was Lady Hawk's life at that point? Two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine, right, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (42:22):
So I probably wrote it. I wrote the record probably
two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, and then
it was the singles were sort of released in two
thousand and eight.

Speaker 11 (42:32):
My life over those couple of years was like the
build up was like this isn't actually happening?

Speaker 12 (42:39):
Is it?

Speaker 11 (42:39):
Like that was me every day like wait, these people
like my music. I just couldn't. Honestly, I was just
doing what I loved.

Speaker 17 (42:45):
And I every step everything that happened, I kind of
was in shock, like no one prepares you for anything.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, so I didn't.

Speaker 11 (42:54):
Yeah, it was it was. It was it was hazy,
you know, like everything was just happening so fast, and.

Speaker 17 (43:01):
Yeah, for me, I look back and I think about
that time, I'm like, I wasn't ready to be perceived.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I think that's what was interesting. What do you what
I mean by that?

Speaker 17 (43:11):
People that I don't know perceiving me in a way,
you know what I mean? Like that was a that
was something that I was like, oh my god. I
went from being you know, playing in indie bands and
being guitarist or whatever and just having loads of fun
and to doing this project which I put poured my
heart and soul into but I really didn't think ahead
just in case it did. Well, you know, I didn't

(43:33):
think that would happen, So I wasn't prepared. It's like
they need to give you lessons or something, or like
like you know what's going to happen, Like, oh, strangers
are going to be listening to your music.

Speaker 11 (43:43):
I'm like what, No, surely not.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, And did you find that, Like how did you
react to that when you realize that people were perceiving
it to you?

Speaker 17 (43:52):
I found it very difficult. Yeah, I it almost ended
my career, Like I almost stopped doing music. It was
so much for me to take. So after the first record,
I found it very hard and I sort of treated
them to myself and I was very close to giving up.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I'm serious, because people, I mean, the kind of cliche
is that people dream of international stuff and their wolves
being clad with Grammy Awards and all that kind of thing. Right, Yeah,
but it sounds like that first of all, wasn't necessarily
a motivator in any way, but also was kind of
a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 17 (44:32):
Definitely something I wasn't prepared for. Like I obviously wanted
to have success with my music. But something that you don't.
I mean for me anyway, I didn't imagine what it
was going to be like if that actually happened, if
the success happened, Because for me, it was like, oh,
it'll be you know, loads of people will play my
music on the radio, and people will love, you know,
buying my record and be listening to it at home

(44:54):
and stuff. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh,
hang on, they want to interview you for these magazines,
and then you're all of a sudden you're on TV,
and then all this other stuff comes along, and I
wasn't prepared for any of that. Yeah, I really wish
there was a crash course, you know that I could.

Speaker 11 (45:09):
Have gone through.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
What was it about it? Do you think that you
found unpleasant or overwhelming or unnatural?

Speaker 11 (45:15):
I just don't think it's ever been my personality. I
think I'm quite a.

Speaker 17 (45:20):
I don't know, it just wasn't. I'm not an extrovert,
and it wasn't. I know that people can't comprehend that, like,
but you're a musician, Like, how could you not be
an extravert? But I just I'm not, And I think
I was scared of people judging me you know what
I mean, Like that was the sort of low self

(45:41):
esteem maybe Kiwi side of me coming out, like, you know,
am I good enough to be here?

Speaker 12 (45:46):
You know?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah? And did you feel like that at the time,
like people were working Lohn?

Speaker 11 (45:51):
Yeah, yeah, I was super paranoid.

Speaker 17 (45:53):
But then it's funny because like you get older and
over the years of you know, I'm making my fifth
record at the moment, and I've had a cad and
happened through heaps, I.

Speaker 11 (46:01):
Don't just don't care anymore. Yeah, I really don't care.
It's great.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
It's refreshing at Yeah.

Speaker 17 (46:06):
Yeah, I have realized that now I'm just like I've
I don't think I've ever enjoyed music as much as
I do now, Like, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
It's like a liberation.

Speaker 11 (46:15):
Yeah it is. It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Isn't that funny? Yeah? See, I was reflecting on the
album at the time and knowing that you had kind
of just written music that you liked. It struck me
that it was really unlike some other musicians. I'm not
seeing to cast judgment or anyone here, but there was
nothing about that album that was calculating, like it wasn't

(46:38):
it wasn't you trying to be like, oh, I really
want to like find a niche and a sound. It
wasn't anything like that. It was just like, here's music
that I enjoy. Yeah, I'm going to make it. And
then perhaps because of that authenticity the success came. Yeah,
do you see that?

Speaker 11 (46:53):
Yeah, I totally think so.

Speaker 17 (46:54):
There was a real I was living in Sydney at
the time when I was writing the record. Well, when
I first started writing it, I was living in Sydney,
and there was a real scene happening there at the
moment that was really inspiring. It was like, I don't
know what it was, but it was like since it
was so cool and like I just loved going out
to parties with my friends and like listening to all

(47:16):
the music that was getting played was super eighties and
like yacht rock was really being you know, embraced in
like two thousand and six.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Explain whatcht rock is?

Speaker 11 (47:26):
Like Hall of Notes? Yeah, get your boat shoes on
saleen in the sunset.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think the eighties that maybe there was
there was something about that time that was kind of
you know, we were going back a couple of generations
and yeah, obviously it was a bit of a kind
of through line for you.

Speaker 17 (47:43):
Yeah, it just like it really hit and I felt
it was it sort of sit with my voice perfectly
as well, Like I could just deliver the vocal I wanted.

Speaker 11 (47:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I can't really sing any other genre.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
So you said that you're kind of enjoying writing and
performing music more than ever at the moment.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, And part of that's down to just not giving
a toss or anything. But what like if you compare
the way that you're writing back when you wrote Lady
Hawk to how you are writing and performing now, what
are the like, what are the differences? You don't care
as much, but what does that look like on stage
or in the studio.

Speaker 11 (48:17):
So I think I didn't realize I was any good
back then. I didn't know. And now I know I'm
a good songwriter.

Speaker 12 (48:25):
You know.

Speaker 17 (48:25):
Now I'm like confident and I'm comfortable saying that. I
used I would be felt so cringe. Saying that back
in the day would be like, oh my gosh, shame.
I just no way I'd ever say that. But now
I'm like, I'm actually confident in myself and I feel
comfortable and I know what I contribute to a songwriting
session as valuable. So I that's something that's been a

(48:46):
huge obstacle for me to overcome over the years.

Speaker 11 (48:50):
But it's just I don't know.

Speaker 17 (48:51):
I'm ten years sober as well, so I haven't drunk
alcohol for ten years, and that's also played a huge role.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Congratulation, thank you, yeah.

Speaker 11 (48:58):
My sanity.

Speaker 17 (48:59):
Yeah yeah, just just getting them mental health and check.
I think it's been really good for my brain and
actually made me realize my own worth, which I didn't
realize for many years.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Yeah, that's that's really profound.

Speaker 15 (49:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (49:16):
Yeah, it's been a it's been a pretty awesome journey,
and I'm just glad that I can That's something I
can also like show to my daughter, you know, like
she's only seeing this side of me, which is really cool.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
How does she feel about your Do you play around
the house and stuff.

Speaker 11 (49:28):
She's so proud of me.

Speaker 17 (49:29):
Yeah. She she'll come, you know, with me when I
play shows and she'll standside of stage and take photo
she's my photographer.

Speaker 11 (49:37):
I give her a job. I'm like, you get to
take pictures.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Okay, how old is she?

Speaker 11 (49:41):
She's shooting seven on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah, okay, Okay, So this is a that's kind of
a wonderful age because they're still like the innocence is
still there, no cynicism.

Speaker 11 (49:52):
She's just always so like eyes wide over.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Imagine what it's like for her, Like this is like
she will remember this even you remember what you remember
even for the rest of your life, and she'll remember
seeing you on stage. Imagine how like foundational.

Speaker 11 (50:05):
That's it's so exciting. Yeah, I love that she enjoys
it as well.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, So aside from being sober and kind of having
mental health stuff sorted, do you think that well, not sorted,
but in check and check. Yeah, yep. Do you think
is there anything else you look at over the last
ten years or so that you think has helped you
get to the point where you can say, you know what,
I am a good songwriter, I know what I'm doing here,

(50:30):
I belong here.

Speaker 9 (50:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (50:32):
It has been a really hard journey and I have
had some like really low points, but it's yeah, it's
I think it's seeing other people's belief in me and
the longevity of that, Like how long some people in
my life have believed in me and my music, and
some people I really respect as well as fellow songwriters

(50:53):
and musicians, and that's been something to me that's like, oh.

Speaker 11 (50:56):
Actually, maybe I am all right. You know, maybe I'm
not as bad as what I felt.

Speaker 17 (51:00):
You know, it's really easy to be self deprecating and
I was very good at that, but I don't do
that anymore.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, I'm so pleased to hear that. So can you
tell us about the other's way?

Speaker 11 (51:13):
Yes, I can.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
We've got to put all the details and stuff online
so you don't worry about that stuff. But just for
people who aren't aware of the festival and how it
kind of works.

Speaker 11 (51:21):
Yeah, cool.

Speaker 17 (51:22):
So it's a festival where basically music takes over K Road.

Speaker 11 (51:28):
So there's a bunch of venues up K.

Speaker 17 (51:30):
Road and there's just bands playing NonStop over the course
of a weekend, I think. And I'm playing at Double Whammy,
which I'm so excited. I've never played either of themis Yeah,
so it's exciting, and I know it's a very new
venue as well. This was just something I really wanted

(51:52):
to do as well, Like I wanted to do this
festival and it's really cool people playing it as well
that I'm quite excited about.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah, So it's really special too, because I think K
Road has had like a like a little rough period,
and there's still like lots of police signs and that
sort of thing on some of the on some of
the retail spots up there. But it feels like just
to me that it's just starting to turn a bit
of a corner and events like this are just so
good for that community. Yes, as a real vibrancy that

(52:22):
makes it.

Speaker 11 (52:24):
Yeah, it's really exciting. It's cool to be asked to
be part of that as well.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, it was really tough. Yeah, we are delighted that
you're going to be playing. We're delighted you're playing, Lady Hawk.
We can't wait for your new music. When do you reckon?
That might be?

Speaker 17 (52:36):
The aim is next year around October. It always takes ages. Yeah,
but but yeah, I've got some pretty awesome stuff cooking.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
So oh, I can't wait. So good to see you,
and thank you very much for your time. Oh, thank
you so much, Jack, Oh so good.

Speaker 15 (52:51):
So.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Tickets for Lady Hawk's show are on sale now via
mosh tics and we're gonna have all the details on
news talks He'd be website. Thank you very much for
your feedback, Jake love Lady Hawk, her music, has inspired
my music and my journey. Thank you, Congratulations on your sobriety,
Congratulations on your music, congratulations on life in generals is
Tom Hey, Lady Hawker, just want to say thank you

(53:11):
so much for your music. You are an inspiration to me.
You've helped me through bad times in my life. Really
appreciate it. That is so good. If you want to
send us a message, ninety two. Ninety two is the
text number this morning now before eleven o'clock, our Master
of Wine has his best buy pick for us this week.
As well as that, our text Bert has someone who
has no computer programming experience. He doesn't know how to code,

(53:35):
but this week he has used AI to do the
coding for him. He has used AI to build a website.
So how was that experience. He's going to be with
us very shortly. Next up, though, If you're looking for
something good to watch on the couch this weekend, our
screen time picks for this Saturday morning. Right now, it's
twenty one past ten you with Jacktame. This is Newstalk zedv.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Fly from the US.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
It's Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame with bpewre, dot, co,
Dot and Z for high quality supplements.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
News TALKSIB.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Twenty four past ten on your Saturday Morning with Jack
Taime on News Talks, he'd be in his screen time time.
Tara Reward is our screen time expert. She has the
very difficult and glamorous job of picking out great TV
shows to recommend to us A Tara, Good morning, Jack. Okay,
let's begin with a new series on Netflix, tell Us
About the Diplomat.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
Yeah, this is the return of one of Netflix's biggest
political thrillers. Season one came out last year and season
two dropped this week. This stars Kerrie Russell and Rufus
Sill and Kerrie Russell plays a diplomat who is reluctantly
sent to London to become the US ambassador to the UK,
and she arrives in the middle of an international political crisis.

(54:52):
There's a war with the Middle East looming, and she's
thrown into a very tense world of negotiation and standoffs
and political strategy, all while having to deal with being
in the spotlight in a way that she hasn't before
and a marriage that's falling apart as well. Her husband
is also a diplomat, but he's a bit of a
loose Cannon and he likes to insert himself into situations

(55:13):
and really complicate things.

Speaker 9 (55:15):
This is a very, very watchable series.

Speaker 8 (55:18):
It feels like a mix of The West Wing and
The Night Agent, and the cast is particularly strong. Kerrie
Russell is fantastic in this, but there's also Rory kaneer
Celia Imriy Allison Jenny joins the cast for season two.
There's a great mix of Australian and British actors, really
good pace to this. There's some humor as well, and
it's Netflix, you know, they pull you in with those

(55:39):
clippingers at the end of every episode.

Speaker 9 (55:41):
It's a very bingeable show, you.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
Know, if you want something that's not too serious and
heavy but is also intelligent and surprising and will take
you along for the ride.

Speaker 9 (55:51):
This is my muscy for the weekend.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Fantastic. Hey, when you say it's bingeble, is it bingeable
or are they doing like one episode every week? They're
doing that really annoying drip feed thing.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
I believe.

Speaker 8 (56:03):
I know season one is up now, I believe season
ten has dropped, but I'm not Tyler. I think you
can go for gold on this one.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah, Okay, that's really good. So that's the Diplomat that's
on Netflix, on TV and Z Plus from this weekend.
A Remarkable Place to Die This.

Speaker 8 (56:18):
Is a new local drama that starts on TVNZED one
and TVNZ Plus from tomorrow night. And if you're a
fan of shows like The Broken Wood Mysteries or One
Lane Bridge, you will enjoy this. This is a four
part murder mystery series that stars Rebecca Gidney and Chelsea
Preston Crayford, who are both, as you would expect, fantastic
in this. It's set in Queenstown, the title probably gives

(56:38):
that away, and it's about a police detective who returns
home to Queenstown. She moves in with her mum and
has to solve a series of unusual murders that keep
happening in the area. And as part of coming back home,
she has to also confront the ghosts of her past.
There's been some deaths in her family, there's some relationship
issues that she ran away from, and you know, as

(56:59):
with any good murder mystery, worlds are going to collide.
But I think one of the biggest stars in the
show es central Otago. The scenery in this is stunn
it does feel like they've made this with an international
audience in mind. This is the kind of familiar, easy
to watch murder mystery that will appeal to a wide
global audience. So if you love a murder mystery, this

(57:19):
is a well made, beautifully filmed drama. And the cast,
there's a really strong ensemble cast in this as well.
They really lift it up.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Okay, great, a remarkable place to die. So that drops
on TVNZ Plus from tomorrow. In on Prime Video Liones.

Speaker 8 (57:34):
Yeah, change in Tacker, But this is a new season
of Lioness, which is a big budget American action series
that stars Zoe Sordana, Nicole Kidman, and Morgan Freeman. And
it's made by Taylor Sheridan, who created big shows like
Yellowstone and Mayor of Kingstown, so there are some huge
names attached to this drama. And it's set during the
American War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan and Zoe's

(57:57):
Sildana plays a CIA operative who's the leader of the Lionesses,
which is this elite military team of women who work
undercover together, and the show is inspired by a real
US military program, so it's taking that well known military
world that we see a lot in films and TV
and giving it a bit of a twist by putting
a woman at the center of.

Speaker 9 (58:18):
The story who lives this double life.

Speaker 8 (58:20):
She's this assassin at work and then she has to
go home and live a normal life with her family.

Speaker 9 (58:25):
So in a lot of ways, it feels very familiar.

Speaker 8 (58:28):
It's a very big, in your face military drama, lots
of weapons, lots of violence, but then you've got this female.

Speaker 9 (58:33):
Tist to it as well.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
It is over the top and it's very American, but
also maybe sort of a guilty pleasure to watch and
escape into if you are a fan of those intense,
all action kind of dramas.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Okay, that's Liones. So that's on Prime Video.
A Remarkable Place to Die is on TVNZ Plus, and
The Diplomat is on Netflix and A double checked Tara,
so The Diplomat that they're not doing that annoying thing, thankfully,
They'll just put the whole thing online. So it is
definitely truly literally bingeable. You can watch all of the episodes.
You don't have to wait like we always had to
do it for the next time episode to come out

(59:07):
in a week's time. Thank you so much. All of
those shows will be on the News Talks. He'd be
website as well if you want to watch them this weekend.
It is just coming up to ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Tape
on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
It'd be it takes one to know one.

Speaker 19 (59:27):
And I saw you there, so I had seen you
all my love.

Speaker 14 (59:34):
I thank god.

Speaker 19 (59:35):
I've never man, never love, I've never wanted.

Speaker 14 (59:44):
All right, is so I don't.

Speaker 19 (59:46):
Again, lad and get away with a picture of you,
just to keep you safe.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
It is so beautiful, isn't it. This is Laura Marling.
She sort of sits in the cool slash indie music
category because of her ability to be fifteen years or
so into her international career, eight albums deep, and still
freshly discoverable to many people. One of those people, though,

(01:00:18):
is not me. This is about the only time I've
ever been able to say this is Saturday mornings. But
I saw Laura Marling. Oh, I reckon twelve or thirteen
years ago at Lame Ways and fell in love with
her music. There's something about her sound. It's really relaxed.
It's kind of instinctive, like all good proper indie musicians.
She's a great guitarist, She's got that amazing voice, and

(01:00:39):
she's been described as the closest artist her generation has
to a Joni Mitchell or to Patti Smith. Throughout her career,
though she has really intensely guarded her privacy, which distinguishes
her from many of her generational contemporaries, makes her a
bit of an international mystery, but you can learn little
bits about her about her and her kind of introspective songwriting. Anyway,

(01:01:02):
the reason I'm telling you all of this is she
is our album of the week this week. I just
released a brand new album called Patterns in Repeat. It
was written after the birth of her daughter, and it
kind of goes into all the ideas and behaviors that
we pass down through family over different generations. So I'm
really looking forward to having a bit more of a
listen to Patterns and Repeat. After eleven o'clock this morning,

(01:01:25):
We're going to get our music reviewers thoughts on that
as well. Thank you so much for your texts and
emails throughout the morning. So I'm broadcasting from Washington, DC
ahead of the US election, covering it over the last
couple of weeks, and we'll be continuing it for continuing
to cover it for a wee bit more. Dean has
sent me a note to say Jack, good morning. If
I were an American, I would be a Republican. I
don't like much of Kamala Harris's platform. I don't think

(01:01:47):
she's a great candidate. However, if I could vote, I
would vote for her over Donald Trump an instant, much
as I would have for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen
and Joe Biden in twenty twenty, because Trump is such
a dreadful candidate. In my view, the healing in America
will begin once Donald Trump is no longer running for
office and stops fanning the flames of what divides the nation. Well, Dean,

(01:02:09):
that presumes that he loses, and it also presumes that
whoever takes over the Trump is a movement after Donald
Trump isn't similarly unsupportable in your eyes. But yeah, that's
that's an interesting point. There are certainly lots of Republicans
or traditional Republicans in the US who you know, would
have always voted for that party, who feel they can't

(01:02:30):
support Donald Trump. In fact, they've got a name for
them now. An acronym Rhino Rino republican in name only,
So thank you for that message. Coming up before eleven o'clock,
we are in the garden. We've got your best buy
for this week from our master of wine. Next up, though,
our texpert has just built a fully functional, complicated website
using AI. So how was the experience twenty five to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Folds of the big names so wrong?

Speaker 20 (01:02:57):
The breakfast Boris Johnson. I had the best time with
him yesterday. I hooked up with him yesterday morning. I
just at the very beginning, I said, Lo, Lookrris, can
you can you like give us just thirty seconds on
the UK budget?

Speaker 10 (01:03:10):
You know, business is being how had I just got
a message from a children's learning business. It's being hammered
by these taxes on employment. It will crush enterprise. It's
it's a totally the wrong way for the country.

Speaker 20 (01:03:23):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast at
the rain, driver of the last News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Twenty two to eleven on News talk Ed b Paul Stenhouse.
Our text Bert has undertaken a bit of an experiment
this week. He wanted to see if AI could build
an app. He's put it to the test for us,
heal to Paul.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
Good morning Jack.

Speaker 18 (01:03:43):
I don't know if it was a good idea on no,
and it's a bit a frustrating experience.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
But I can say there is.

Speaker 18 (01:03:49):
A working app that I wrote zero lines of code for.
That's kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Yeah, that is amazing. Okay, So tell us about the
idea for the app or for your website, and then
explain to us how you managed to build it without
actually writing any code.

Speaker 13 (01:04:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:04:05):
So I hit this thought.

Speaker 18 (01:04:07):
Every time there's an election call, when each of these
networks makes a call, I thought, wouldn't it be good
if we could track that so that we could see
which network thinks we're going to have who as the
president of the United States. The election, of course, is
on Tuesday. And I took to an application that is
called Cursor, and Cursor is like a development tool crossed

(01:04:30):
with AI. So you can actually ask it things and
it will then create the code for it, and you
can commit that to your dev environment, your code, just
with the click of a button. It's incredible. So you
can say, give me a pigraph that shows X and y.

Speaker 14 (01:04:47):
It uses this is a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Variable that is a variable.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Push submit.

Speaker 18 (01:04:52):
It will give you back fully working code. And then
what he basically did is layered these on and on
and on and on. So you ask it to do
one thing, then you ask it to do another thing,
then you ask it to connect those two things, and
then you ask it to do something else. Yeah, it
does get rather complicated. It is not without headaches, it
is not without frustrations.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
But there is a working app.

Speaker 18 (01:05:14):
App checktam at all the calls, dot app, all the calls,
dot ap right now?

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Yeah, okay, you've already fortunately sent me a little previous
so I gave you joyed looking at it this week. No,
it's pretty amazing what you can do given you haven't
had to do any code, although obviously I haven't been
privy to the frustrations of all of the layering. But
what do you think this means for the future of coding,
Because for years now we've been saying, Oh, kids don't
need to worry about handwriting, kids don't even need to

(01:05:42):
worry about multiplication. All they need to know is how
to code, and they'll have a job for life.

Speaker 18 (01:05:48):
Yes, well, I think that's a bit that's changing, right,
So I think you need to know technical concepts. People
still need to be technical You still need to know
kind of what the tech is trying to do, and
what the concepts are and what the individual services are
that make an application on a website run. What you
don't need to do, though, is actually know how to
do the actual code language part. This runs on typescript.

(01:06:08):
I don't know any type script.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
AI wrote it for.

Speaker 18 (01:06:11):
Me, so I think that's really important, and I think
that just understanding the concepts, understanding how to talk to it.
One of the things I found this week Jack was
I really had to work out what context it needed.
Words are really important with AI, right, you need to
make sure you're really explicit, and the takeaway price.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Down It was really funny. You have to be spot on, Yeah,
absolutely spot on.

Speaker 18 (01:06:34):
You know, using words like overlaid versus above mean very
different things, and they can send you down a very
bad path. Now they're overlaid and above it kind of
sound reasonably similar and have a pretty you know, when
you have a bit of context, they mean something, but
in coding terms they mean something very different, and so
that can lead you down some bad paths.

Speaker 14 (01:06:52):
But I will say the takeaway I have is that
it really is about the.

Speaker 18 (01:06:56):
Power of communication. Funnily enough, the ability and the skill
to communicate explicitly, be clear, be concise, and also doing
some active life checking and clarifying what the AI is
telling you actually helps you create something.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Yeah, okay, let's see that's very interesting. Hey, I've got
to ask you, since you are in the US, what
is your pick for Wednesday this week?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:07:23):
You mean, so I think it's going to be and
who I want it to be?

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Because answers, well, who do you think? Yeah? So you
you I'm guessing here that you are not a Donald
Trump fan.

Speaker 14 (01:07:36):
That would be true. Yes, so are we voting?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I can vote over here now, yeah, I can vote.

Speaker 18 (01:07:43):
Yeah, yeah, so I'll be casting my vote for Kamala Harris,
but watching with anticipation. The problem this is, I think
I'm just going back to that last election where you know,
where it was him versus Clinton, and just the polls
were just so wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
And I guess I have no faith in the polls.
I faith that the election, but the.

Speaker 18 (01:08:03):
Polling, I guess is what I'm nervous about. So we'll
see the middle of the country's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
I think that's very wise. I think not. I mean,
Donald Trump himself has always said he never puts any
faith in the polls. I just think, you know, because
all of the polsters correct on new information, right so
over the last couple of elections that have undercounted Donald
Trump support heading into the election, and they might do
the same thing this time around. They might also over correct.
We just don't know, and we won't know until the
results come through. Thank you so much, Paul. What a

(01:08:30):
fascinating experiment. I'm going to give you Paul's website again
so you can go and have a look or his
app once again. I hope that he's managed to build
in plenty of capacity for the millions of hits. Maybe
he's got a good advertising framework in there as well,
so we can we can make sure that Paul is
sitting pretty. It's all the Calls dot App, So yeah,
all the Calls dot App. Will make sure that we

(01:08:50):
put a link on our website as well, so you
can see what Paul was able to build using only AI.
Right now, it is seventeen to eleven. You were Jack Tame.
It's Saturday morning on new stig ZDB.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
His week is ending. Your weekend is just studying play
from the US.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
It's Saturday Mornings with Jack Team with deep curured on
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Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Newstalk THEBB fourteen minutes to eleven non newstalks. He'd be
Bob Campbell, our master of Wine, has chosen one of
his best buyers for us, and it's a Taylor's Jereman
twenty twenty two charraz for twenty six dollars. Bob is
with us this morning, Koder Bob Cura Jack So tell
us about the Taylor's Jereman.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Well, I was cooking up some braised landshanks and I
really needed a big rich wine to sort of go
with a very big rich dish, and Taylor's is my
go to wine producer when I'm looking for a classic
Barossa style red. So I tasted this vintage of Yeremen

(01:09:56):
for the first time and was really really knocked out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Yeah, what does it taste like?

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Well, it's a very intense, tense sline that's sort of rich, ripe,
berry fruit, vanilla, black pepper, chocolate mocker. I'm get get
a bit carried away with my notes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Here, don't worry.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Yeah, please keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
It's the standout feature is a sort of lovely smooth texture,
really seductive stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah, Oh it sounds beautiful. So at twenty six dollars
you reckon it's really good value?

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Yes, I do. Yeah, delivers more bang for the buckland
just about any other red wine that I can think of.
I don't know how they could make a wine at
this quality at such a modest price.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I really don't, right, we can you pick it up?

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
Well? I hunted around and found a good wine company
in Auckland has it for twenty five ninety nine, Whisky
online in Auckland twenty five ninety nine, the same and
wine wine sale dot co dot m Z in Lower
Hut twenty five ninety nine. So Valentonians, I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Did that too.

Speaker 19 (01:11:08):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
I'm guessing that you made a good call and matching
it with your lamb shanks? Is that what you would recommend?
The kind of rich beast meals?

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
Yeah, any rich red meat sauce for red meat dish with.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
Will do.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
It did go well with the lamb shanks, but it
would go equally well I think with with you know,
just a steak on the barby.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Yeah, like a big roast lamb or something like that
might be nice as well. They do you reckon it'll
keep bob?

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
Do you know it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Is it best drunk now or could you cellar it
for a couple of years.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
It's good stuff now, but but it's going to get
more mellow with age and perhaps a little bit more complex,
which is a good thing, I think, so certainly, no rush.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Yeah, well that sounds great. Thank you so much, Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Bob's pick for us this week is best buy is
a tailor's Jarman twenty twenty two Charaz for twenty six dollars.
The details will be on our website. We're in the
garden next eleven minutes to eleven. On Newstorks, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
With steel Shop, don't wess their biggest spring sale ever.

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Nine minutes to eleven you rejectame. On Newstorgs, he'd be
rude climb passes our man in the garden.

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
Kilda, Rude, curida Jack. Are you all right there in
the USA?

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I'm doing very well, thank you. I've had the pleasure
and privilege of traveling around quite a bit this week
and to some quite different climates and environments. And it's
that time of year where on the East Coast at
the very least the leaves are turning and it is
just amazing, like in Washington, DC right now. Honestly, it
is just it is ridiculous. Like if you take a

(01:13:01):
no filter photo you chuck it on Instagram. You know
that people are just never going to believe that it's
real that the leaves are beautiful, those like golden and
red hues that you only see a little bit. It's
like everywhere as the main street of Arrowtown, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Yeah, exactly that, And that is exactly the point. There's
so many good spots in America that I find really
cool to use as an example of what we can
plant ourselves. You know, I know it's not native, but
there you are good ideas. Yeah, talking about planting. I'm
at the moment here in Cromwell or at Bennegburn and
we're planting with the Mokihi Trust, literally a brand new

(01:13:38):
if you like, habitat for all sorts of pollinators and
creatures like that, and so many kids, and it is
lovely to see them actually being interested in restoring au turoa'.
That's another so gardening man is on at the moment.
It's brilliant. So let's talk. Let's talk about the stuff
in the US. I decided to link with you and

(01:14:02):
see if you've seen any dog woods.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I don't know if I would recognize one, to be
perfectly honest.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
Dog woods maybe not a dogwood. It's a tree that
is very common in the States, and when they are
in the springtime, they are beautiful with the flowers, it's
just unbelievably beautiful. But in autumn they have part of
these wonderful autumn colors. So this is the thing. If
I go to the States, you know, when I was
in America or went to a headquarters in Silver Spring,

(01:14:33):
not far down the road from where you are, I
would see dog woods everywhere, and we end the end
planted them in our gardens in New Zealand, Julie and I,
and that was the exactly, Yeah, why not. You can
have those right here as well. So if you see
something that you really enjoy, get an eye naturalist photograph,
identify it and make a note.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Of what it is, and you can use it in
your own gardens because they have like the kind of
white flowers or the kind of pinky red flowers, right,
the different varieties.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
Exactly, Yeah, that's right. So that's one of the examples
that I got. Literally important if you like as an
idea from the US, and I know you've got the
same eye because she started off with that. It's so called.
Now Julie's Julie's favorite is another American thing. It's called Philadelphis.
I think it comes from Philadelphia, but it's another story.

(01:15:25):
Philadelphis is another one over those things that is absolutely gorgeous.
Right now in our hero at the back of the fence,
she wax it onto a fence, and I would put
it into as sort of an rather unruly hatch configuration.
But again, you can get them here at the garden

(01:15:45):
centers too, and it is one of those wonderful things gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
So it's kind of a it's kind of a climber,
right it's.

Speaker 12 (01:15:53):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
Exactly, but as an unruly fence or what do you
call it, As an an unruly vomp, you get it
as an as something that's stands out with its colors.
There's really what I was going to say. And then
for me so far, we talked a lot about white
and orange and all that, but I'm also a color
fan of blue, So there's a mechanopsis I'm into. Mechanopsis

(01:16:22):
is like an if you like an a plant that
comes up it's really hard to grow, by the way,
but it's got this unbelievable blue and I've asked Libby
to put it on the website actually because it's gorgeous.
But it has a couple of negative things. Very tricky
to grow. It's very difficult to sow as a seed.
I've had some success, but not that often. And it's

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very sensitive. And you split them up as well, and
you do that in the early spring, you know, which
is a bit late now, but this is the point.
You could put it in shade and no full sum
and you have wonderful and yours as the base of
it and everything will be honky doi great.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
The blue is so I mean, it's incredible. It's so intense. Yeah,
it's difficult to grow. It is probably not going to
do well well well at our place, but it is.
It is a really really deep and kind of intense blue.
It almost looks like a like a fungy kind of
blue or something, don't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
You think exactly exactly?

Speaker 15 (01:17:20):
Yeah, and it's blue.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, right, well that makes
sense once you see it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Okay, well, look we'll put that photo on the on
the website so people can go and have a little
bit of a look as well. Thank you so much, Rude.
Enjoy your time and beautiful Central Otago, won't you yep?

Speaker 6 (01:17:36):
Planting everywhere? Thank you and you have a great time off.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Well though, thank you. That is Rude climb past in
the garden for us on News Talks. He'd be coming
up to eleven o'clock. After eleven o'clock, we are going
to have a bit of a listen to Laura Marling's
new album. She Yeah, it's just an incredible kind of
has an incredible voice in an incredible way with songwriting,
quite a unique sound, So looking forward to playing some
of that as well as that. John Grisham has a

(01:18:02):
new book out, but it's not a typical Grisham thriller.
It's actually a nonfiction book really really fascinating subjects, So
looking forward to hearing a bit more about that. News
is next though there's almost eleven non news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
He'd be as the election heats up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
It's Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame with bpewer dot co
dot z for high quality supplements.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
News talks be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Mored in the Coota. You're with Jack Tame on News Talks.
He'd be broadcasting live out of the United States ahead
of Wednesday's US presidential election. If you are planning a
big day, like a presidential watch party or something, you
know how, as the results come in and you have
those amazing cable news networks doing all the big coverage things,
and you have the guy at the screen looking at
Maricoppa County, Arizona and all that kind of stuff, I

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should warn you a lot of the analysts here reckon,
we're not going to have a result on Wednesday itself.
That it might take a bit of time. Part of
the reason is that in Pennsylvania, for example, all of
the early votes that have been cast cannot be counted
until the day itself. So even though more than sixty
million votes have already been cast around the US, sixty

(01:19:35):
million votes, heaps of those won't actually be counted until
the day itself. It's not the same in every state,
you know how, Like every state has a different rule.
Some other states they will start early counting before election day. However,
in Pennsylvania, which is maybe the single most important of
all the swing states, they're not going to be starting
till the day itself. And remember four years ago when

(01:19:56):
Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump. It took several days before
that election result was actually finalized. Anyway, perform a dang
and tell you a bit more about my experience in
the UN over the last week or so, of my
thoughts going into Wednesday's election. As well as that, we're
going to tell you about this amazing new book from
John Grisham. Now usually he's writing fiction right, his thrillers,
but he's put together this amazing story or range of

(01:20:18):
stories looking at people who have been framed or wrongly
convicted of the most serious crimes, and they are amazing
stories like that. There was this mum who was like
doing late night laundry when she was an eyewitness to
the aftermath of a murder, and she came forward to
explain what she'd seen. She was a witness, right, she
came forward, But then she was convicted of murder. There

(01:20:40):
was another one where a guy's wife was murdered, even
though there were people who were alibis who saw him
at a conference like halfway across the state from where
the murder occurred, and yet somehow he was convicted of
the murder. He spent thirty five years in jail. So
John Grisham is fascinated by these cases, and he's got
a little compendium of stories for people who were wrongly

(01:21:03):
convicted or framed. I'm going to tell you more about
his book performed day now, though it is nine minutes
past eleven. Jack and Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being
our psychologists as with us this morning to Doogle.

Speaker 21 (01:21:17):
Good morning, Jack.

Speaker 22 (01:21:18):
Hey, we're both out of our usual comfort zones this morning.
By the sound of it. You're in the You're in
the US of A. And I'm I'm down in Calbourn
at the St. Michael's Church. Fear on the White Elephant
stare of all things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Oh the white elephants saw. So just give us a
run through. What sort of products are you hawking this morning?
What are you trying to shield to the masses.

Speaker 22 (01:21:39):
I've been trying to get rid of a couple of
electric knives. We've got, We've got we've got a porter
cot for for for a baby, and a couple of
lamps would would also be put. Plus a whole lot
of not particularly useful electrical equipment and a leaf flower.
That's the I think that's the top, the top thing
that we've still got it's a great leaf flower. If

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you're interested, I could always put your name on it
and you can send me the check once you get
back into the country.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
See, I'm not into leaf blowers. I'm I'm, but I'm I'm.
I'm always a little bit seduced by the idea of those,
you know, the suckers, the kind of the opposites of
the leaf blowers. They have the big bag. I've always
wondered how effective they actually are because I look at them.
I look at them on trade me from time to time,
and I have to We've got a little courtyard that
I always have to sweep up, and I always think, oh,
maybe it's time that I get a big sucker for

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the backyard.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
But I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
I haven't haven't pulled the trigger just yet.

Speaker 22 (01:22:31):
Well, you know, as you need a blower just in
the meantime, just let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
Anyway, it is a bit of a blast in the
past to have a white elephant stand, to be perfectly honest,
because most of the sort of secondhand buying and selling
goes on to Facebook, Marketplace or trade me these days.
So I'm glad to hear that you were you were
out there doing it although I can't imagine what the
what the demand is going to be like for one
electric knife, let alone two electric knives. I feel like

(01:22:58):
that was a fad. That's kind of that's you know,
that's gone the way of the old popcorn makers. You know,
that's just.

Speaker 19 (01:23:06):
You don't say that too loudly.

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
I'm going to sell them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
No, no, no, sorry, sorry sorry. It sounds like you've
had an amazing products and everyone should get down there
this morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah too, right, anyway, it looks
alb that's right, very good. So twenty twenty four has
obviously been a pretty difficult year for lots of organizations,
lots of businesses, and the economy isn't out of the
woods just yet. But you reckon now is actually a

(01:23:31):
great time to take stock of how the year has
kind of impacting on people within an organization with something
called a psychosocial risk assessment. So what on earth is that?

Speaker 22 (01:23:43):
No, you're exactly right, it's been a tricky year fort
I think most businesses and organizations in New Zealand, and
one of the hidden effects of that is the psychological
impact and the psychological harm that people can suffer at work.
And that's what we would refer to as a psychosocial risk.

(01:24:05):
So these are in a workplace that they don't necessarily
cause you physical harm, but they could cause you some
psychological harm. They can cause a physical harm as well,
but it's the things like, for example, bullying or a
high workload. Now that's not probably going to cause you
too much. You know, it's not like a slip, trip

(01:24:26):
or a fall. You know, it's not like a loose
cable or something like that. But it is a hazard
in your workplace. And I think now, if any organization
has been through a big change, now is a really
good time to stop and take stock of has that
change actually had a negative impact on the mental wellbeing
of your people?

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
And so how do you take stock? How do you
assess that?

Speaker 22 (01:24:48):
Yeah, look, there's no one single way. So there's first
I would say, in an organization, look at the data
that you've already got, so you know, look at things
like is there a particular area in your workplace where
there might be high levels of sick leave example, that
might be a suggestion. Are there people at work who've

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got lots and lots of annually going And I know
that from an accountancy perspective, that's not a great thing.
But also why aren't people able to take their annual lead.
It may be because they feel that there's too much
work to do. So you can look at the data
that you've got. You know, at Umbrella we do this
sort of stuff a lot as well. We're like an
independent external agency that would come in and help you

(01:25:33):
doing that. But there's no one single way but looking
at all the Sorry, the other key thing I should
say is make sure you talk to people at the
cold face. We often risk imagining what the work is
like without actually going and talking to people, and it's
crucial that you go and talk to your staff find
out about what is actually going on on the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yeah. The interesting thing about about psychosocial issues is that
or psychosocial hazards is that they don't just lead to
mental health problems, and I think that's the kind of
mental well being stuff is be pretty obvious. But they
can also lead to physical health issues.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Right, Yeah, they can.

Speaker 22 (01:26:11):
It's really interesting and it's often something that people overlook
and sometimes, to be honest, I sometimes forget about it too.
But those psychosocial hazards are one of the leading causes
of muscular skeletal problems and people it's from, you know,
think about the tension that you might carry in your
shoulders if you're stressed all the time. Also a contributed
to things like elevated blood pressure and heart problems, and

(01:26:34):
that's probably from being under chronic stress and having lots
of quartersole rushing around in your blood stream all the time.
So important to recognize that not only a mental effect
but also a physical effect on people as well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Okay, hey, very good now. I know you've got a
busy day obviously at the White Elephants standards a queue
of keen buyers lining up right now to barter for
those electric knives. But are you going to the Derby tonight?

Speaker 22 (01:26:57):
Google, I haven't got plans to tonight. I might well
go down to the pub and watch one TV.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Though, Doogle, come on, I would have thought, especially you
know what that that that wonderful Wellington Phoenix tradition when
they're up at eighty minutes right, you've got it and
you're part of the home crowd. You've got to whip
the shirt off and circle that round you. You know,
I would have thought that'd be your scene, doogle?

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
You know, yeah, well you're talking.

Speaker 22 (01:27:19):
You're talking me into it, aren't you really. My son's
just moved to Auckland or sorry, he's been in Auckland
for a few years, but he's just latched onto supporting
Auckland FC.

Speaker 21 (01:27:30):
So now we've got a bit of you know.

Speaker 22 (01:27:31):
Into rivalry within the family as well with the old
Wellington Yeah, it'll be a great match. I think it's
a great match.

Speaker 6 (01:27:39):
No, it will be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Hey, good luck this morning. We'll be thinking of you
and crossing our fingers for for lots of buyers whom
you can play off against each other and drive the
prices up at the White Elephants Stand. Dooglesodland from Umbrella Wellbeing,
we'll put all of his tips there for psychosocial hazards
and doing a bit of a check at your workplace
or organization up on the news talks d website. And
speaking of that local derby five pm this evening at

(01:28:01):
Sky Stadium in Wellington, Jason Pine is on weekend sport
and will no doubt he's salivating at that prospect. I'll
get his pick for who he thinks is going to
take out the first New Zealand d I think it's
not technically the first New Zealand A Derby. It's the
first derby of twenty twenty four between two New Zealand

(01:28:21):
teams in the A League. Because of course we have
had other teams in the A League as well as
the Phoenix in the past. Anyway, we'll find a more
succinct way of explaining that before midday right now. At
sixteen past eleven Travel.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
With Windy WU Tours unique fully Inclusive Tours around the World.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Nineteen past eleven Non News Talks, he'b our travel correspondent
Mike Yardley is I think, without a doubt the single
keenest Christmas fan on Saturday mornings on News Talks, he'd
b and given as the second of November. Given we
are what seven eight weeks out, that means the inevitable
of Mike's place. I cannot believe it, though, Mike, you've
really got the decorations out already.

Speaker 21 (01:29:03):
We're all object so I scared off the trickled face.
They thought that I'd just charged it in the calendar,
so they gave me the wide birth, which was a
good thing. But I'm very please check speaking of seasons,
I'm very pleased. Happy for all y'all. You've got a
chance to do some leaf peeping in the States. That's
so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Well yeah, I mean only only so much, but I
mean it's when you're traveling through the Northeast. I mean,
it's just amazing all of the leaves are turning, and
in Washington, DC at this time of year, it's extraordinary.

Speaker 13 (01:29:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
But I think they always say that the best kind
of leaf viewing or what do you call it, leaf
leaf peeping, Okay, leaft peeping. That's in kind of Maine
and Vermont had that part of the country, right, the
northeastern states in the United States. I honestly, it's it's
it's pretty pretty amazing everywhere. So just to be clear

(01:29:51):
that you've got all of the decorations out at your place,
I have.

Speaker 21 (01:29:54):
Yeah, it took me about three days, honestly to do
the whole house. But I've gone full of Mary days. Yeah,
three days, and I've gone like full Clark at Griswold.
So I've got like seven foot high snow. Mean, and
I've been on the team this year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
I have to say, Mike, you don't have the same
Christmas decorations every year.

Speaker 21 (01:30:17):
I add, I do a little bit of adding each year. Yeah,
It's about tragic, really, isn't it. I have a lot
of people checking on me, Jack, as you.

Speaker 13 (01:30:37):
Promised me that I was more than all the miles combine.
You must have had yourself change part back heathway through
the drive because your voice turned off exactly as you
passed my exits say, kept on driving straight and left
our future to the right. Now I have stuck between
my anger in the plane that I cared face and

(01:30:57):
ever Reese. Something even smoking weed is now in place,
and I am terrified of whether because I see you
when it rains. Talk told me to travel, but there's
COVID on the planes and a vermu. But it's the
season of the sticks and suck your mom. She forgot
that excess there. It's half my fault, but I just

(01:31:21):
start to play the victim.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
My drink how ah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
You see, this is what happens when you rely on
technology trying to do a show around the world. You're
focusing too much on Christmas. You're criticizing Mike for spending
too much on TIMU, and all of a sudden the
connection drops out. But we're back. Sorry about that, Mike.
So to be totally clear, you have different decorations every year.

Speaker 21 (01:31:42):
I do additions each year, so I've got my base.
So I've got my base. Christmas s take or and
then we just add to it, you know. But the titillation, Wow, yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Dear, good for you, Jack, I think so. If anything,
if you need to spend several days putting out at
Christmas decorations, I think we can safely agree that that
is probably a little bit of an addiction. Still, there
are many worse things to be addicted to. Now we
are focusing on Orange County, California this morning, and aside
from Mickey and Friends, what would top your hit list

(01:32:13):
in Anaheim?

Speaker 21 (01:32:14):
Yes, Well, given presidential politics is in full cry, I
was very keen Jack a couple of weeks ago to
check out another controversial White House residence legacy. So I
went to the Richard Nixon Presidential Library, which is beneath
the Anaheim Hills. It is the most beautifully designed facility.

(01:32:35):
The storytelling there is so absorbing, and I mean, obviously
they spent a lot of time packing the whole Watergate scandal,
but there were just so many aspects, so many threads
to his repertoire that I hadn't previously appreciated things right,
that cleaned the erect the wall on cancer, which a
lot of cancer specialists in the States they still attribute

(01:32:57):
his leadership on cancer treatment to you know, a lot
of the breakthrough treatments coming out today. So yeah, adding
Presidential Library.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
What were the big highlights?

Speaker 21 (01:33:10):
Well, Jack, as you would know, all presidential libraries had
those replica oval office facilities, which are very popular for
photo ops. I actually think the most popular selfie spot
at Nixon's library is to stand on the steps of
the Sakowski C. King helicopter, which is from where he

(01:33:31):
famously farewelled the nation on the White House South Law
and it's so cool to have that chop of there.
The most surprising feature you can walk through Nixon's childhood home.
This was the most incredible vision on the part of
the Nixons family. So they've got the century old house
on the grounds of the Presidential Library, and they built
the library all around the house. He and his wife,

(01:33:56):
Patricia Nixon. They are buried on site next to the
most sublime Rose Garden, which is actually one of the
most popular wedding locations in Orange County. And I was
here on a Saturday and there was this bags black Head,
California wedding taking place while I visited just meters away
from the Mixon Grave site only in Anaheim.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Hahah, that's peculiar. Oh how good though. So for a
change of scenery, how did you write Angel Stadium?

Speaker 6 (01:34:21):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:34:22):
Wow, yes, Well, of course the Dodgers they won the
World Series. But the other LA Baseball team the Angels,
and they were founded by gene Autry. Of here comes
Santa Claus fame. Angels Stadium as a ballpark with wow
factor Jack, because Disney took the reins from gene Autry
in the nineties and their imagineers just went crazy with

(01:34:46):
the stadium. So out on the main entrance you got
these two gigantic red baseball hats adorning the entrance and
inside the ground at the southern ends, this enormous artificial
mountain side completes with the cascading waterfall, and when the
Angels head a home run, the whole thing blows up
in fireworks. You're Disney took it behind the scenes tour

(01:35:07):
of the stadium and mannerlife the changing rooms. It makes
the player facilities at Eden Park look like a Super
eight motel, you know, compared to the rich Carlton Lax
at Angels. It really is an eye opener.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Yeah, ah, that sounds so good. So Orange County is
building like a whole new kind of downtown district day.

Speaker 21 (01:35:30):
Yes, So from Angels Stadium, it's a very close close walk,
probably five minutes to Honda Center, which is home to
the Anaheim Mighty Ducks the ice hockey team, and that
whole precinct between the two venues is being transformed into
this glittering new downtown for Anaheim and Orange County. They
call it o c Vibe, but just the sheer scale

(01:35:52):
of this project jacket's like something out of Dubai. There
are six billion dollars being spent on it, all funded
by a family called the Samueli family who made their
fortune as chip maker. So yeah, if you're heading to Anheim,
check out this downtown project. It's going to unfold over
the next few years. Most of it should be complete
in time for the Olympics in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Ah yeah, yeah, of course. Did you stake out some
good galleries?

Speaker 21 (01:36:18):
There are some really interesting fines.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:36:21):
So, like in contrast to the futuristic new downtown district,
if you're an Anaheim's historic art take call, we wander
through the Museo Museum. They do a really good job
just telling the backstory of Anaheim's roots, which, as the
name would suggest, Anaheim started as a German wine making settlement.

(01:36:41):
After they grabbed the land off Mexico and those vineyards,
they were decimated by a plague, so that's when the
Germans switched to Citrus, which of course gave rise to
the name Orange County, a very cool throwback to the
Orange Gribes era. Across the road from the museum Anaheim
packing House. This is such an amazing building. So it

(01:37:03):
was the old Citrus packing house back in the nineteenth entry,
and it's been revitalized as a really trendy food and porium,
kind of like christ Church's Riverside Market.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
N Okay to the south of Anaheim. Why is Costa
Mesa or is the California say Coast e Mesa popular?

Speaker 21 (01:37:22):
They so do well. If ever, you need a reminder
about the serious wealth in Orange County, Coast e Mesa
is another star specimen. So you've just got extraordinary statement
architecture here. It's like a sequence of art museums like Okma,
which has fantastic modernist and pop art. And then that's

(01:37:44):
all part of a necklace of venues with these dearingly
designed concert halls and theaters. I've got this gigantic pink
granite opera house with a massive stone art once again
looks like something out of Dubai. But if you like
your art and culture served up with bling, bling architecture,
coast E Mesa is a must sy fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Okay, Hey, thank you so much, Mike. We're going to
put all of those tips for touring around Orange County,
California on the news talks he'db website, and we will
eat you get back to your seven foot Christmas trees.
You're only three days deep, but you know, Mike, I'm
sure another three days won't hurt too much. But my goodness,
your place is going to be like a beacon by
the time how you've finished, Mike Hardleck, our travel correspondent

(01:38:27):
there before midday. We've got this new music to play
for you from Laura Marling, as well as that we're
going to tell you about the new book from John
Grisham that kind of is a little bit different to
the regular books that we would expect from the King
of Thrillers and it's just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
For getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on news Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
I believe it is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Twenty years now since the Black Seeds released their album
on the Sun and to mark the occasion, to mark
the anniversary, that've dropped this previously unreleased single. It's going
to be on a very special vinyl version of that album.
Such a good sound Day twenty seven to twelve on
your Saturday morning. Jason Pyne is taking control of things
on Newstoks. He'db after midday today and counting down to

(01:39:32):
the first ever derby between the Auckland FC black Knights
and the Wellington Phoenix Keunter Ponty Kilder Jack.

Speaker 23 (01:39:41):
Yes, it's a fine day in the Capitol. I can
report a bit breezy that won't surprise anybody. But yeah,
looking forward to five o'clock this afternoon, sky Stadium and
historic occasion and domestic football.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Yeah, what do we expect. It's very hard to kind
of gauge things. I mean, both sides have kind of
started the start of the season really strong, but it's
going to be really interesting to see from a kind
of fan and cultural perspective, just how much of a
rivalry were able to build up overnight.

Speaker 23 (01:40:05):
I think we're going to find a very very fierce rivalry,
but fierce in a good way, if you know what
I mean. This is all banter, nothing more than that.
And look the latest time hearing is where we're pushing
up well over twenty upwards towards twenty five thousand are
expected this afternoon. Jack, There've been some strong ticket sales
last couple of days. There are a lot of Auckland

(01:40:26):
f C fans in Wellington, a lot of blue and
black around the city that I've spotted this morning. Yeah,
it's gonna be quite the occasion on the pitch. Look often,
as you know, sometimes games don't live up to the
hype that it surrounds them. I think it might be
a bit cagy between these two bit of adrenaline, bit
of nerves. I don't think it'll be a four to
three more likely to be decided perhaps on one or

(01:40:47):
two moments of brilliant or the odd mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
But yeah, what an occasion I think.

Speaker 23 (01:40:52):
You know, when you think seven or eight years ago,
you know there there was a campaign to get the
Phoenix out of the A League. Now we've got two
teams and this derby is the biggest talking point of
the whole weekend on both sides of the Tasman. Yes,
so simply simply can't wait to get down there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
It's gonna be so good. So I was looking at
ticket sales for the next derby between the Phoenix and
auchand f seat in Auckland, and I think, honestly the
cheapest ticket was like three hundred dollars left, but basically
the tickets are all sold out. For goodness, yeah, so
clearly there's this huge demand it. This is so good
to see from the perspective of New Zealand football. Now
four o'clock tomorrow morning, of course, the All Backs taking
on England at Twickenham. What are your thoughts heading into

(01:41:28):
this game and how do you feel about Boden Barrett
at ten?

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:41:31):
Well, first first, but first, I actually don't know whose favorite.
I haven't checked any odds, but it feels as though
this is very even. England haven't played a test since
they were down here, so they've had what four months
without a game in that time. The All Blacks have
played a lot of tests rugby, tough test rugby. So
what's more important being match hard and or being fresh?
I guess we'll find out the twicken and factor always

(01:41:53):
difficult to go there and win a game of rugby.
As far as Boden Barretts concerned, I like the decision.
I like him at first five ahead of Damien Mackenzie.
I think Damien bring brings us some real value off
the bench, but I like Boden running the cutter from
the start. And of course you'll remember the last time
we played England was at Eden Park. He came off
the bench, Barrett and basically changed the game for us,
so he'll be looking to do that from the start. Look,

(01:42:15):
I really can't pick it one while or the other.
I'd be keen to know, and I'm going to ask
this question, but in an hour or so, what is
acceptable over the next three weeks, because you know, following
this only a six day turnaround for Ireland then France,
three of the biggest and most powerful rugby teams in
the world on their home patches. What is acceptable in
terms of wins and losses for the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
That's right, it's a big ask. It's a really big
it's also on the show this afternoon.

Speaker 23 (01:42:40):
Will Greenwood is going to lead us off World Cup
winning English midfielder from two thousand and three, lots of
stuff on the derby and after to Alicia Hoskin, double
gold medal winning peddler from Paris. She's going to relive
those wonderful days with us and lots of chances for
people have ever yearn and All Whites coach Darren Baisley
is in town for the derby. He's going to pop
in live to the studio just before three.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Ah, very good, Oh very much looking forward to this afternoon,
big show coming up, Thank you, Parney. Jason Fine will
be with us behind the micro Weekend Sport right after
the midday news on News Talks. He'b before twelve o'clock
some of Patterns in Repeat. That is the new album
from British singer songwriter Laura Marling. Right now it is
twenty three minutes to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and Bpurret dot Co dot
Nzen for high Quality Supplements US Talks NB.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
It's twenty one to twelve You with Jack Tame, on
News Talks EDB. John Grisham has a new book, but
he's doing things a little bit differently this time around.
Our book reviewer Kathin Rains is here with all the details.
Gold to Catherine. Good morning, Jack, So tell us about
Framed by John Grisham and Jim McCloskey.

Speaker 24 (01:43:48):
So this is all about true stories about wrongful convictions.
And obviously John Grisham's a well known author and he's
also a lawyer, and he's teamed up with this guy,
Jim McCluskey, who's the founder of Centurion Ministries and it's
a nonprofit organization dedicated to exonerating the wrong for the convicted,
and he's been working on that for about forty five years.
So in Old Doating chapters, they both present different cases

(01:44:08):
of justice miscarried, resulting in the unwarranted incarceration of ten
innocent people. And you know, they talk about how they're
rail raided into confessions after these interrogation nightmares and the
blind eyes cast by authorities who just overlook material that
would exonerate them because they determined they had their man.
And so they look at the why and the wear

(01:44:28):
of how each case and it's explained about you know,
the people who were responsible for fitting innocent people in prison,
and you know, some of those people ended up on
death row, and the prosecutors and judges and policemen and
some of these cases are actually still working, and some
of these incarcerated people are still in prison even though
there's proof that they're not guilty of the crime that
they wis him. So you get this deceit and corruption
that's found at every government level, and prosecutors that are

(01:44:51):
willing to go to any lengths to secure convictions in
the selections of jurors, particularly around CO and the particularly
around co's confessions using polygraphs, and they tell them that
they've failed and they hadn't.

Speaker 11 (01:45:03):
And then probably most prevalent in these.

Speaker 24 (01:45:07):
Jail house snitches who were relied to say anything and
just no credibility because actually they were getting their own
sentences and sometimes for murder reduced. And then there's on
the other side of this as well, there's the experts
who had done nothing in this field that they were
supposedly experts in other than take a very short course
and really don't know a lot about their subjects. And

(01:45:29):
probably one of the most compelling cases and there is
a guy called Cameron Todd Willingham, and he's executed for
allegedly setting fire that killed his own children, and only
very later does it become clear that the fire was
completely accidental, and the experts that wording about it believed
in faulty ars and science, and so it's really interesting.

(01:45:51):
And in some cases these perpetrators of the crimes actually
are key witnesses for the prosecution. So it's fascinating. And
the authors mclausky and Grishman aren't saying that this kind
of wrongful conviction is widespread, but what they do talk
about is really compelling and eye opening in some of
those grave injustices that just happen in the criminal justice system,

(01:46:13):
and really really fascinating look in cases.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Sounds great, sounds really really interesting. Okay, that's framed by
John Grisham and Jim McCloskey. You've read The Elements of
Marie Curry by Dava soble So.

Speaker 24 (01:46:27):
Dava Sober notes right in the beginning that Murray Curry
is one of the few female scientists that most of
us can actually name, and she was twice winning Nobel Laureate.
In what she achieves in her lifetime is immense, and
you know, Dava takes us back to Murray's childhood and education.
She was born in Poland before she moves to the

(01:46:48):
Suborn in Paris to further her studies, and when she
enrolls in eighteen ninety one, she's one of one of
twenty three female students among two thousand men to study science.
And her experimental work was always at the forefront of
her life. And she found love with her research partner, Pierre,
and they married and had two daughters, and she focused
on her work, but she always found time to give

(01:47:09):
back to her scientific community and particularly other women in science,
and that theme really flows up the book and other
stories that are here, and she talks about how Marie
and Peria collaborated on Marie's doctoral thesis and studying the
unusual energy excluded by uranium, and during their investigation that's
what they later term radioactivity, they discover the two new elements,

(01:47:32):
polonium and radium, and then it really upended everything scientists
understood about the material world. And her work shows that
atoms were not as they being believed invisible and the
funding bold room plots of our universe, and she's just
she was just amazing and what she created and the
scientific discoveries, but also this really focuses on the human

(01:47:53):
stories of the people and the work and her you know,
the people that she works with as well, and the
people that she pulled together in her labs. And it's
fascinating and it looks at that perspective of her work
and life and research and all the accolades, and it's
a very interesting look at one of the great minds
of science and how immense her contribution was and still
is to the way that we understand the world, and

(01:48:14):
particularly the periodic table mate. Amazing feature she achieved.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
Okay, great, but that is The Elements of Marie Curry
by Davis Sobel and framed by John Grisham and Jim McCloskey,
was Catherine's first book. Where both of those will be
on the News Talks EDB website. Of course, we've got
this new Laura Marling album to play for you in
a couple of minutes right now. It is sixteen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
Bringing a taste of America back to you in New
Zealand live from the US. It's Saturday Mornings with Jack
Tabe and we view it on Code on insid for
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Speaker 19 (01:48:53):
That I could bake it. My purk is still strong,
EZ can make it. Bless you so whoo Bushad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
That is Child of Mine by Laura Marling. Beautiful voice,
isn't it just incredible? She's got a brand new album
called Patterns in Repeat and Estelle Clifford, our music reviewer,
has been listening Yoda Kilda whatever.

Speaker 25 (01:49:29):
What a beautiful album. That song their Child of Mine
is how the album opens. It's actually the first song
Laura wrote after becoming a mum, and I think she's
really tried to think about bridging the gap before life
before she was a mom and then what life is
after that and the ever evolving home life.

Speaker 14 (01:49:52):
And mixing in the art at the same time. And
I just I love this album.

Speaker 25 (01:49:56):
It's a really good taste of that song there of
how the whole album is these really beautiful harmonies and
melodies that you feel like quite quickly you're already singing
along with it and feeling that you belong with the song,
which I think is a really beautiful indie folk skill
to have with songwriting, and you really fall into her

(01:50:18):
lyrics and you fall into her voice. This album has
no percussion, so it really yeah, it really is just
relying on the guitar and.

Speaker 14 (01:50:27):
Then there's harmonies.

Speaker 25 (01:50:29):
But there's also some songs that just have beautiful wind instruments,
like bringing in a basy tone with an obo and
sounds like that that you don't actually hear all that often,
but it just really beautifully goes with her voice.

Speaker 9 (01:50:44):
She recorded this in.

Speaker 25 (01:50:45):
Her home studio, surrounded by everything you do when you're
juggling creativity and far no life, and you actually get that.
At the start of Child of Mind. You hear her
chattering with her partner and her producer. There's like baby
gurgles in the background, and then the guitar strums and
she emerges into what it is that she's doing. So
it's very angelic and wistful at times, but not in

(01:51:07):
a like like you actually stay very tuned into it,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 14 (01:51:11):
Like she doesn't lose you along the way.

Speaker 25 (01:51:13):
I'm not always a big fan of interludes in an album,
but she has one halfway through end in brackets it
says interlude time passages and oh my gosh, the montage
of instruments and these really hypnotic rhythms. What a really
cool way to give us a music that does show
you how time progresses and moves on. I can't explain.

Speaker 14 (01:51:34):
You have to go and listen to it.

Speaker 25 (01:51:35):
It's right in the middle of the album, and yeah,
it's just it's a really really clever thing. I think
there's lots to love and this album is very intricate production.

Speaker 14 (01:51:45):
And again, she never even pushes.

Speaker 25 (01:51:46):
Anything, so there's nothing about her voice that you like,
you're waiting to go to these crescendos or anything like that.
It just kind of I don't think spew is the
right word, like spews out of you, like it just
it just comes out of her in this really beautiful, cruisy, authentic,
quite personal way. There's a song called Caroline, and it's

(01:52:08):
quite it's like being right there in the songwriting process
where actually some of the words are like and then
she says something like blah blah blah, like she's just
trying to fill the space, but she's just left it
as the song, which I guess is also what it's
like when you're trying to juggle family life and all
the rest of it. Sometimes things don't get finished. So

(01:52:28):
portraying that in a beautiful song. I think it's really clever.

Speaker 8 (01:52:30):
I love this.

Speaker 25 (01:52:31):
On her Instagram when the album came out, she said,
I hope, if nothing else, this album serves to represent
the possibility that the Pram in the hallway is not,
as it turns out, the enemy of art.

Speaker 9 (01:52:43):
Quite profound.

Speaker 25 (01:52:47):
But don't take that to heavily like The album is
still light and beautiful and pretty and very clever musically,
but also with her really beautiful lyrics about what life is.
She doesn't just sit with the whole just becoming a
new parent, but there's real beauty in what that means
and how that can change your life and what it

(01:53:08):
means to her as an artist.

Speaker 14 (01:53:09):
I think it's really beautiful. It's a great listen, sounds fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Okay, so what do you give it.

Speaker 14 (01:53:13):
I'm just going to go out there and give it
a ten out of Tendi WHOA.

Speaker 25 (01:53:18):
I've really enjoyed this album, and the more I listen,
the more I really feel quite in tune with this album.
And I think a lot of people, yeah, there's there's
just a lot of beauty in it, and I think
there's yeah, people should listen to her.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Okay, So I haven't listened to the album yet, but
this is one of the extremely rare occasions when I
feel like I was into this before. It was cool
because I was a Laura Marling fan from back when
she released I Speak because I can in.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
So I've been on the Laura Marling train for a
long time. But she's a real like Muso's Muso really
looking forward to this.

Speaker 14 (01:53:51):
She's clever and I'm going to give it to you.

Speaker 25 (01:53:52):
I think you've known her for a lot longer than
I have, and I've had to delve back into some
of her back albums.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
So go ye, there you go, there you go. Yeah,
look claim it when you can stop. Clock is right
twice a day, you know. Laura Marlin's new album is
Patterns and Repeat ten out of Tennisdale reckons it's word
thank you so much. As Stale. We will catch you
again very soon. We'll have a bit more of a
listen to Pattins and Repeat in a couple of minutes.

(01:54:18):
It's eight to twelve on news doorgs.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
He'db flve from the campaign trail in the US.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
It is just coming up to midday on Newstorgs he'd b.
Thank you very much for tuning in and spending your
Saturday morning with us. It has been a pretty remarkable
few days here in the US, and obviously things are
gonna get crazier heading up to election day on Wednesday.
So I'm going to be with Kamala Harris on election nights.
She's going to be here in Washington, d C. Donald
Trump is going to be at Marra Lago in Florida.

(01:54:53):
We're going to have a Q and a special on
TVNZ one tomorrow morning. Plus I'll be reporting for Newstalks
he'd b and one News throughout the week, and then
next Saturday morning something a bit different. Because of the
All Backs Northern Tour and the very as time zones
and that kind of thing, We're not going to be
with you next Saturday morning. That is because the All
Blacks are going to be taking on Ireland and exactly

(01:55:14):
the same time that we would usually be broadcasting, and
of course news Talk z'b is determined to make sure
you can enjoy the All Blacks with live coverage of
that game once it's underway, so we'll be back the
following Saturday morning. I'll give you a reminder before then.
For now, though, thank you so much for your messages
throughout the morning on New Stalks. Ed me to my
wonderful producer Libby for doing the tough stuff this morning.

(01:55:36):
Jason Pine is going to take you through the afternoon
counting down to the Auckland FC Wellington Phoenix Derby five
o'clock this evening. For now, though, we're going to leave
you with Laura Marling. This is her new song patterns,
Have a great Day, Hit.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
The full.

Speaker 19 (01:56:13):
And now the time is spad S's a flag?

Speaker 9 (01:56:19):
Only then can I see.

Speaker 8 (01:56:26):
A body?

Speaker 19 (01:56:28):
Sage Wheel.

Speaker 12 (01:56:33):
Was space.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
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