Full Show Podcast: 03 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
A, he just overcooked it, just slightly overcooked it. Good morning,
New Zealand, welcome to news Talks. He'd be Jack Taye
with you through the midday. Got as got my eyes
on the Formula one sprint qualifying in Miami, and yeah,
Liam Lawson has just made a little mistake in sprint
qualifying to this morning, so he's been eliminated basically going

(01:06):
into a corner slightly too hot. Just had to do
the thing where slammed on the brakes, went too wide
through the corner, meant that he ended up coming fourteenth
I think in sprint qualifying. So he made it through
the second round of sprint qualifying, ah, but won't be
progressing any further for the sprint race in Miami this weekend.
So a bit of a shame there. Looks like his
teammatee Isaac Hadjar did just qualify. He's currently sitting in

(01:27):
tenth going into sprint qualifying three. Anyway, I'll keep you
up to speed. Ha see what I did. There were
the very latest out of Miami, as Formula one continues
this morning, and we have a big show for you.
So nineteen eighty was the you might remember this that
six men stormed the Iranian embassy in London. They took
twenty six people hostage, and the whole thing played out

(01:48):
in front of the world. There were extraordinary scenes as
the British Sas stormed the embassy and attempted to free
the hostages. After ten o'clock this morning, our feature interview
is an author who usually focuses on spy novels, so
writing fiction. His name is Ben McIntyre and he's written
this increase compelling story and a piece of nonfiction journalism

(02:10):
about the Iranian embassy Seed. She's going to be with
us after ten to give us all of the details,
so many little bits of information that have never been
made public about that before, so looking forward to sharing
those with you before ten o'clock. If you are looking
for a bit of a sweet treat this weekend, a
dessert that at the very least has one of the
best names in the business. Drunken bananas hmm, boozy Drunken

(02:31):
Bananas is our recipe of the week that we will
be sharing very shortly, one of those recipes that's super
easy to make if you haven't been to the supermarket lately.
You just got a few bits and bobs lying around
the house, So we'll give you it to you very shortly.
Right now, it's nine minutes past.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Nine, Jack Team.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Honestly, I was kind of I was taken aback by
how long it had been since I'd last come to town.
It's amazing how time creeps up on you like that.
You know, one minute you're at Grandma and Granddad's place
every few months, knocking around with your siblings. The next
you're going through Granddad's draws picking him a bag of

(03:08):
his most precious possessions, and the next you realize it's
three years since you even drove down his street. State
Highway One was an absolute shocker, a shocker. I was
driving the old straight line heading south from christ Church
Rolliston Dunsandal, Rakaiah. The storm was fierce. There was surface

(03:30):
flooding and the rivers were up, which obviously made things worse.
But some of the potholes, honestly were so large they
could have swallowed the irrigators that usually crawled the paddocks
on either side of the road. Those irrigators have brought
a lot of prosperity to mid Canterbury, but not so
much on Grandad's street. His place was an old state

(03:53):
house on what Dad always called the wrong side of
the tracks, and given the main trunk line cuts right
through the middle of town, it's a literal thing in Ashburton,
Dad reckons. The family moved in in about nineteen sixty seven,
a two bedroom place clad in a shocking baby blue,

(04:15):
an eighty five square meter state house on a nine
hundred and something square meter section. They don't do property
like that anymore. The Tames had arrived from UK a
few years earlier. Migration had cost Grandma and Granddad basically
everything they had. By the early nineteen eighties, on his

(04:36):
limited income, Granddad had saved up and for twenty one
five hundred dollars he bought the house from the government
as a home for life. He spent his working life
slowly chipping away paying off the mortgage. The quarter acre dream.
Granddad always had an amazing garden, you know. He kind

(04:57):
of always made the most of all of that space.
The nine hundred square meters of backyard. There were vegetable beds.
There were like fruit trees. That was this massive compost
heap flowers out the front of the house, a big
hudder kicker bush. We used to play games of hide
and seek and go home, stay home, before retiring inside

(05:18):
for luncheon and tomato sauce, sandwiches, ugh and vegetable soup.
At home, our parents didn't really put salt in our food,
and it was always a thrill to eat a hot
lunch prepared by someone less concerned by cholesterol readings. The
neighbors back then were mixed. I remember Granddad telling us

(05:39):
once that if we hit the tennis ball over the fence,
it was probably best just to get a new one.
I doubt the police were strangers to the neighborhood. Inside
I used to curl up in Granddad's lazy boy and
read Grandma's gossip magazines by the fire. On the times
we stayed over, I read old Biggles stories that Grandad

(06:02):
had lying around. We'd all get covered in labrador fur,
and they had a faux grandfather clock in the living
room with a mechanism that filled every silence. Granddad lived
in that house for fifty five years. He raised his
sons there. He lost his wife there. When it finally

(06:25):
came time for him to leave, my cousin found his
war medals secreted away in one of his drawers. When
I came round the corner, the rain was pelting the windscreen.
It took just a moment to get my bearings. The
little place next door was gone, a similarly vast section

(06:46):
where once there was a humble cottage, It was now
filled with a tidy row of modern units. But there
was Granddad's. Some of the baby blue cladding was missing
on the front of the house. The hudder keke and
the flowers at the front had all been ripped out.
I'm sure the veggie patch out the back is done,
but the us was still there. Tired, yeah, but still there.

(07:11):
Nothing lasts forever. I can't say with certainty when I'll
be back, but I know one day I'm going to
come around that corner and Granddad's place will be gone too.
Jack Team, it's ninety two, ninety two. If you want
to send us a message this morning, Jacket Newstalk's heb
dot co dot inzed is the email address. If you
are going to send me a text. Don't forget the

(07:32):
standard text cost supply. You know that we're going to
catch up with our sport. I very shortly get his
thoughts on that Blues performance last night, the Warriors chances
this evening as the A League regular season comes to
an end. Next up, though, Kevin Milner is here with
his thoughts and memories of Sir Bob Jones. Right now,
it's fourteen minutes past nine, It's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame.
This is news Dog's Edby.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's no better way to kick off your weekend then
with Jack. Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and bep youwart
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Speaker 3 (08:03):
Hey if your message, Jack, so many memories for us,
All of news Yland had its finest Cislin. Yeah, I
mean it is. It's always funny. You get kind of nostalgic,
don't you looking back. I mean just look just look
at that. An eighty five square meter house on a
nine hundred and something square meter section. It is you
know that's what That's a true quarter acre, right. I
just remember as the kid, it was fast like Grandad's section.

(08:25):
Just felt so big. Yeah, you can kind of get lost.
It just meant that Hide and Seek was always so
much better, you know. Anyway, ninety ninety two, if you
want to send us a messages this morning, please do
tell me if you drive that stretches stay I one
more regularly than I do between ash Vegas and christ Church,
tell me, please assure me that the potholes aren't usually

(08:47):
as bad as they have been this week. I mean,
obviously there's been so much rain, right so those potholes
are pretty enormous. But my goodness, I just couldn't believe
the state of the road. I could not believe it.
I'll get to more of your feedback very shortly right now, though.
Kevin Milne is with us this morning, Kelder Kevin Jack.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
I've got very warm memories of Asberton as well. My
oldest sister lived there when she got married. Noturs to
go down to the state. But I tell you one
thing I remember so much that you were the envy
me for I once went to the Ashburton domain to
see the MCC cricket team.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Wow, really was that?

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (09:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
They were playing some Canterbury side with the MCC side
with glittering names. Yes, touring New Zealand and Ashburton was
one of the places that they are. They played a
test matching or.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
At least feature match. Yeah four days or.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah yeah four day game.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, no, how good. The Eshburton Domain A, it's a
it's one of those, you know, like fantastic you know,
sometimes you get them in parts of regional New Zealand,
like really really amazing public space. I always just loved
the flying Fox at the Eshburton Domain. Always had his
flying Fox, you know, like one of those proper ones
that probably wouldn't pass the health and safety laws these days.
But yeah, anyway, given you have been reflect you over

(10:06):
the last twenty four hours or so on the life
and times of Sir Bob Jones.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, Jack, As you know, when you work in television,
you've got to expect some criticism, some nasti reviews. But
the king of the Nazi review was Sair Bob Jones,
who died yesterday. One review of a Fairgo story i'd done,
I've kept. It's a bit of a classic. It refers
to one of the best stories I ever did on Fairgo.

(10:32):
Actually it ended up in the courts all the way
up to the Court of Appeal and Fairgo won it
that Bob didn't like it. Bob's review was lengthy, and
here is just some of the lines from it. It
appeared in Wellington's Dominion newspaper headlined would you buy a
Fairgo used car? Story? It begins one of the worst

(10:54):
examples of defamatory television journalism abuse I have ever heard,
shamelessly ignorant and grossly unfair. According to the smug mediocrates
who present this show, this was an example of moral
and ethical turpitude, demanding nationwide exposure. This bumptuous shower at

(11:18):
Fairgo knows nothing about commercial practice. According to these buffoons,
this was a one off revelation.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
That they discovered.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
It was a disgrace. It was unjust, ignorant, unbalanced, defamatory
and in my view, a crime against decency. It was,
in one word, sleazy. The program has a lack of
balance and has witch hunting tendencies. So Bob en that
with fairgoes a row of smug, supercilious and ignorant talking heads.

(11:54):
It's garbage. This program should be closed down smartly. Anyway,
that was way back in nineteen eighty eight and Fairgo
continued successfully for another thirty six years. I later got
to know and quite enjoyed so, but I had some months.
If you remembered the review, he said he didn't, but
Bob Jones will be remembered as a terrific writer. Jack

(12:18):
Wellington already feels all the more gray for its Patsy.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, it's funny, I.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
Can.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I can tell you that similarly, Bob Jones was no
great fan of mine. However, I actually had I actually
went and saw him a few years ago. It was
very interesting. It was just before COVID. It was like
literally about a week before the COVID lockdown in New Zealand,
and that's when, you know, senior government officials were kind

(12:46):
of not really considering the prospect of lockdowns or anything
like that. And he said to me, he watched this.
This whole country is going to be locked down in
a week or two. The global economy is going to
be totally disrupted, all of the supply chain is going
to be a massive issue. You just wait in New
Zealand's going to need support from the government all these things.
And then, of course, about three days later he just
proved to be one hundred percent right. But you know,

(13:07):
I know there are some people, you know who have
you been upset by comments he's made over the years,
And certainly he's he's not been a shrinking violent when
it comes to, you know, saying what he really thinks.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
But yeah, it's not about As long as it's not
about you, it can be most enjoyable reading some of
his pieces.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, you feel like this, you know, like he's such
a character, you know, you sort of feel like the
character like that couldn't quite exist in the modern age anymore,
you know, which is which is a bit of a shame. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
I gave the speech at Marry Soaper's seventieth birthday a
couple of years ago, and we were chatting, Bob No,
were chatting beforehand, and I give him a speech and
he saiden he suddenly lets out with your bloody ugly
milkah and you learn but you learned that he didn't
mean it.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just all part of the fun. Yeah,
a very good Hey, thanks Kivin. You have ever got
weekend and we catch again really soon. Kevin Milne with
us this morning right now, there's twenty three minutes past nine.
You would use talks.

Speaker 8 (14:05):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talk SEDB.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Thank you very much for your messages this morning, Peter says, Hi, Jack,
I found your story about your granddad's house for removing
this morning. It is nice to reflect on the sacrifices
and graft of older generations who have helped set us
up for our lives today. And Jess. Jess says Jack,
it's nice to know that as the world changes, we
still get to hold on to memories, so even if

(14:37):
your granddad's house changes, you'll still have those to reflect on.
Thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two is the
text number if you want to send us a text,
or you can email me like Es did. Jacket Newstalks
b dot co dot NZ. Time to catch up with
our Sporto Andrews, Savil and sav I've got my well,
I've got one eye on the F one sprint qualifications

(14:57):
in Miami. So Liam Lawson didn't make it through to
sprint qualifying three, made a bit of an error, fortunately
didn't put the car into the wall. It was one
of those moments that looked just for a second like
it over cook things and he might you know, have
some real issues. But yeah, unfortunately knocked out in sprint
qualifying two this morning.

Speaker 9 (15:14):
Yeah, so he's ended up what fourteenth. I think he'll
start in the sprint race tomorrow morning. Interesting to see
that this young driver Antonelli for Mercedes his pole position.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, he is his first ever poll so nineteen ridiculously
drive his license.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Yah.

Speaker 9 (15:33):
Yeah. But as long as I think Liam Lawson.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
He's eighteen, he's eighteen.

Speaker 9 (15:42):
He's getting younger as we speak. I think as long
as Lawson keeps just chipping away, doesn't put it into
the fence like I think someone else and one of
the other younger drivers did today, and keep his nose
clean and races. You know, there's always a chance you're
starting twelve thirteen, fourteen that you get into the top ten.
Sprint races are a little bit more tricky because they're

(16:04):
so short. This is his first time in Miami. It's
quite a bizarre track. It's actually in the car park
of a football stadium, the Miami Dolphins NFL Stadium. So
all these new sorts of challenges and pressures for Lillam
Lawson every week it seems to be more intense pressure
isn't there. But that's formula one for you.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, it is. Well, look to see how it
goes over the weekend. Obviously a bit of action to
come there over the next forty eight hours or so,
so hopefully things are all right. What do you make
of that Blues performance last night?

Speaker 9 (16:33):
I thought it was pretty good. I thought the force
and patches were okay.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
The Blues.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
Certainly not back to what they were last year, but
there were glimpses and the good thing for them is
that they scored a bonus point victory. They're into six
for the time being. They're still four and seven on
the season. If they win their next three, which they're
going to have to, and probably pick up a bonus
point or two, they'll end up at seven and seven

(17:03):
for the season, and that could still well be enough
to make it into the top six. I know Jack
that each win or a performance like that will reinstall
some confidence which I think has been lacking. I think
there's some players in that Blues team who are all Blacks,

(17:23):
who just appear to be still off kilter a little bit,
still getting back to their best, So that may well
happen in the next few weeks and I can assure
you that other Kiwi Super Rugby teams especially are not
rating them off and still fearful of what they can
muster on any given day.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
So do you what was funny last night? The last
couple of minutes, you know how the Blues and they
had the bonus point. I know, all I had to
do was run the ball out. They had possession and
then this problem was series and tried to kick it
and then miss to kick it.

Speaker 9 (17:59):
Out of miss the ball and then I thought, oh no,
this could be. This could sum up the Blue season
the force of scoring. The Blues will lose their bonus point.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And then they'll and then they'll miss the playoffs by
a bonus point.

Speaker 9 (18:09):
You know, So they got out of dodge or they
got out of a fairly empty park with the points right.
Caine's Chiefs Tonight, huge game in Wellington, replay of that
semi final from last year where the Chiefs did them.
The Chiefs are number one at the moment and then
next week, whatever happens this weekend, it's going to be

(18:29):
one v two Chiefs Crusaders in christ Church, which will
be an intriguing match as well.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, very much looking forward to that. Warriors looking
looking pretty good for the time being. All things have
started well, We're gone very well over the last couple
of things. We got there up at the trick.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
Tricky game in Brisbane. This is the Magic Round. I
saw some of the games last night. Fantastic atmosphere. This
this magic round has worked a treat in the NRAL.
Rugby's Magic Round was a complete disaster in Melbourne. That's
not happening again. But the Rugby League ones worked a
real treat the last few years. The Warriors will will
probably the home team, yeah, given the huge support they

(19:10):
have in Brisbane and Queensland. Playing the North Queensland Cowboys
Tricky tricky game. Cowboys in a similar position to the Warriors.
They're sort of flying under the radar a bit. They've
been playing well the last few weeks, so a decent
assignment for the Warriors and Auckland lift see tonight. Fifteen
games without a loss and that would be if they

(19:30):
can win beat Western United on the outskirts of Melbourne tonight,
that would be good momentum heading into the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, very good. All right, have a good weekend, sir.
We'll catch you soon. Our Sporto Andrew Saville there coming
up very shortly. We get film picks for this week,
including that incredible looking documentary with Marlon Williams What's it
called Our Rua, which is the documentary that kind of
follows him making his latest album. From what I've seen

(20:00):
in the film, it looks amazing. So anyway, our film
reviewers Ben to say that she's going to give us
her thoughts on that very shortly. I think you very much.
Few messes, Jack, regarding potholes, Sorry, but there's absolutely nothing new.
Nearly all South Island highways are exactly the same and
have been for a number of years. Jack. I went
to see my mother on Thursday. The news reports were
reporting sink holes on State Highway One, and they weren't
far wrong from what I noticed. All the potholes and

(20:23):
shrapnel were from recent reseiling, from previous patch up jobs.
Is what we've come to expect this, Michael. I mean, look,
I was driving in the middle of that storm, and
so you know, I wasn't I was kind of in
Selwyn for a little bit, but then driving south in
the storm, and like I've driven in some like developing
countries that have better roads in state Iowan. I mean

(20:45):
it was in the middle of the storm, right, so okay,
Like obviously it's going to be all of those things
are going to be heightened, and the potholes are going
to be worse than they would usually be. But I
think to have the scale of the potholes as they
were this week, they needed to you needed to already
have a road that was in you know, kind of
a serious state of disrepair. That would be mine alisis anyway,

(21:07):
not knowing that much about about road ceiling, you know,
I hadn't been raining for hadn't been raining for five
days or anything. It was, you know, it was it
was part way through the storm. But my goodness, I
just cannot believe how bad the road was. Anyway, Jack
enjoyed your comments this morning and your memories with your
grandma and granddad. My nana and granddad always had the
horse racing channel on the radio, a glass of beer

(21:27):
on the kitchen table. They were great to me. Yeah,
It's funny how you have these little memories of little
details like that day. Like for me, it's like stuff
like you know, like Grandad had biggles, you know in
his house. I could read Biggles as a kid anyway
ninety two. If you want to send us a message
twenty seven.

Speaker 10 (21:42):
To ten, make them all monocle cold.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Oh ah, that's gorgeous, isn't it? That voice? My goodness,
that's O Dura by Marlon Williams. Of course, New Zealand
Music Month has officially begun. We're in May, gulp, which
means that as well as his new album, we have
a brand new documentary from Marlon Williams. To kick us off,

(22:25):
Francisca Rudgin, our film reviewer, is here with us this morning.
Cold to Francisca, good on. You have been to see
our rua Two Worlds that's showing in cinemas at the moment,
So tell us about it.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Ah.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
Look, that was filmed over four years.

Speaker 11 (22:41):
As you mentioned, It follows musician Marlon Williams as he
writes and records his first album in Todail.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
It's a hugely personal project for him.

Speaker 11 (22:50):
Jacket's the story of identity, connecting with his culture, reclaiming Israel,
and as an artist and as a man, finding his
place in the different worlds that he exists in. And Look,
Marlon Williams is a very charismatic warm, talented person. If

(23:10):
you've ever interviewed him or sent him a concert, you know,
he really is very charismatic. But I think interestingly, director
Ursula Grace william realized that you couldn't just rely on
that when it came to making a documentary about the
making of an album and Malon he didn't want a biopic.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
He was like, I'm not ready for that yet.

Speaker 11 (23:31):
You know, I don't want that, but she kind of
recognized that probably, you know, for artists, it's really interesting
watching the creative process.

Speaker 7 (23:42):
But if you want to engage people in a film
and a broad audience in.

Speaker 11 (23:46):
A film, it has to be there has to be
an element of kind of entertainment there. So she's done
this really amazing job.

Speaker 7 (23:58):
I think of.

Speaker 11 (24:01):
At first putting Malon Williams into context. So at the
beginning of the film we kind of cover off his
career to date, his personal journey.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
But along the way we.

Speaker 11 (24:12):
Return to see his family home and hear about his upbringing,
and hear about his parents and he was very close to.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
And the influence that they had on him.

Speaker 11 (24:21):
And then he's kind of in his early thirties and
he talks a lot about the fact that touring has
already taken a toll on him, and the nature of
life is very transient, and I think in a way
he wanted to ground himself, even though he knows that
his life may not lead him to sort of, you know,
living a very grounded life.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
That's kind of where.

Speaker 11 (24:38):
He goes on this journey. I think the music is
wonderful in this film. The cinematography gives this journey gravitas
and beauty.

Speaker 7 (24:48):
The editing, though, I think is really excellent. You know, they've.

Speaker 11 (24:51):
Created a very pacy, engaging film. They keep the energy up,
they get the right amount of music and heard the
right amount of talk, the right amount of just observation
and things. So I think it's a very thoughtful, beautiful
film that's going to really appeal to fans. And as
you know, I'm a huge fan of Marlon's beautiful voice.
But he's got this massive international audience, so I think

(25:13):
we'll be fascinated to learn a lot more about him,
and then then there's all these people who are going
to be introduced to him as well.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
So yeah, no, I was. I thought I found a
really moving experience.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
What did film?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Oh great? I cannot wait to see it. It sounds fantastic. Okay,
So it's Marlon Williams a which means two worlds. Next up,
something commletely different, a new all star Marvel movie. Let's
have a little bit of a listen to Thunderbolts.

Speaker 12 (25:44):
Let's talk facts.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
The Avengers are not cunning?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Who will keep the American people?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
See? Ay, you got some pleasing to me. I love
that guy.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Okay, there its Thunderbolts. Since Marl tell us about it,
Reggie's good.

Speaker 11 (26:11):
So this is another film in the Phase five sort
of period of Marvel cinematic universe. So these are films
and TV shows that have been released between twenty twenty
three and twenty twenty five middle of this year.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
But to be honest with you, it's kind of been
a bit of a mixed bunch. There's been The Ant
Man and the Wasp, Quantum Mania, there was The Gardians
of the Galaxy.

Speaker 11 (26:30):
There was a Captain America film, Brave New World that
was released in mid February that no one knows about.
They didn't screen it. There was doesn't seem to be
any hype about it. No one really knew about it.
I don't know how well it's doing it at the cinemas.
I'm sure that you know, there's been a bit of
word abouth around it. But it's really interesting at the
moment with Marvel that they're not making any huge efforts
to show these films, to screen them to you know,

(26:52):
to promote them in that way. Normally they would have
a screening for us. It might only be a couple
of days before, but they'd be building the hype.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
They want people to promote it, talk about it.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
And Thunderbolts kind of came out of the blue as well.
It's like, oh, here's another Marvel film, but no one's
talking about that.

Speaker 7 (27:06):
They're not promoting it. Really, there's not a lot of
hyphen It's like, why not because this one isn't too bad?

Speaker 11 (27:12):
Because because when they don't do screenings, Jack immediately you go, oh,
it's no good, and that's generally in the past why
studios don't do screenings.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
But look, this one's okay.

Speaker 11 (27:23):
It as dressed up as a breath of free share
but turns out to be a pretty predictable Marvel flick
I did enjoy that.

Speaker 7 (27:31):
It's a bit edgy, there's a darkness to it. There's
an existential crisis.

Speaker 11 (27:34):
They are trying to put some substance into this film.
I don't know where the younger audience is already going
to watch all their heroes have existential crisis, but you know,
maybe it will appeal. We've got a bunch of heroes
who are actually anti heroes. They're kind of like failed
heroes who clean up the messes in the background. They're

(27:54):
not front facing, as they say in the film. They're
the kind of hugely disposable ones in the background who
are very talented at what they do, but they don't
have the kind of the glory roles and things. And
Florence Pugh leads the bunch here, and she's absolutely excellent.
She's fantastic. She really drives us. She plays Jelena, who
is the black widow's sister. You've got White Russell in there,
who's John Walker. David Harbor plays her father, a Lexi.

Speaker 7 (28:18):
He's in there as well.

Speaker 11 (28:18):
They're drained by the ghost Taskmaster and also Sebastian stands
Bucky and they all kind of come together. They find
themselves in this room. They're all sent on missions to
annihilate each other. They realize that their boss, Valentina, is
trying to get rid of them all. So they all
team up together kind of come back to the real
world and realize that Valentina has most accidentally created this

(28:43):
godlike superhero who has the potential to take over the world.
But it's a very lonely, not very stable, unhappy man
who actually becomes a bit of a baddie, and so
they all sort.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Of come together to try and prevent him.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
The story in the world.

Speaker 11 (29:03):
So it starts off really interesting, Jack, and you're going, oh,
I love this, Yeah, I love the fact that they're
all a bit different in it, and they're not you know,
call them perfect and everything. But then it kind of
folds into the second half. It kind of action wise
and story wise, it kind of becomes a pretty predictable
Marvel flick, not as funny as it could have been.
I think there was actually too much banter between the cast.

(29:24):
It really wasn't needed. You do become fond of them
by the end of the film. I mean, I think
there'll be another one, and if they can keep surrounding
Florence Pugh with some good people and maybe just shorten
out and sharpen up the script a bit, then actually
this this particular branch of the franchise might fly.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, okay, well, yeah, it's not for me if I'm
on a hundred percent of a franchise, But you know what,
I'm sure it will still do all right at the
box office. They don't usually lose a whole lot of
money these Marvel films, which tells us why there are
so many Thank you. So that's Thunderbolts and Marlon Williams
our or is the first film franchise could hold us
about two worlds. Desiree just flip me not to say Jack,

(30:03):
I saw the Malam Williams docco yesterday, absolutely stunning. His
voice is perfect for singing Interdi or Maudi. What a
beautiful soul. And then Desiree uswe wrote this, she said, swoon.
I'm sure you're not the only one feeling that way, Jack.
Marlon can sound very Elvis, like when Elvis is singing ballads. Yeah,
there is something the richness of his voice that has

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Speaker 3 (30:39):
Tell you what if that Marlon Williams film has kind
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about this new TV show called Choir Games that follows
two different choirs right competing in the Choir Games, two

(31:00):
very different choirs, people from very different lives, So one
is from New York City, the other is from Kaitaia,
and the whole series kind of plots the characters in
these two choirs and the worlds that they come from
coming together to compete in the Choir Games. It's such
a lovely idea. So anyway, we're going to tell you
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(31:20):
segment this morning right now, though it is thirteen minutes
to ten. Very much looking forward to this week's recipe,
Nikki Wax reckons that this is one of the easiest
recipes possible. It's a perfect recipe for when you don't
have much or anything in the house, and it has
one of the best names in the game drunken bananas,
Nikki drunken bananas. Yes, I just love this.

Speaker 13 (31:43):
I have been making this dessert since I reckon I
was about fourteen and babysitting, and when you were babysitting,
people always had sugar butter bananas in the house and
perhaps a little bit of booze. Now I didn't drink
booze at that age, but I would put a little
splash of their brandy or rum in these because I'd
seen Mum do it with crapesyzets, etc. And it is

(32:05):
just the ball. It is one of those things that
you know if you don't have. So The background to
me bringing you this recipe this week is I was
up in Kaitaia last week, or actually just out of
there at a hipata, hence my absence on the show,
and I was cooking for a bunch of wonderful surfing
women and I hadn't planned to do boozy bananas. But

(32:27):
on the way to the venue there was Honestly, I
felt like maybe I'd gotten lost and ended up in
Thailand or somewhere, because there was this roadside stool selling
bananas and I was like, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Where I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I just think it is the only part of the
country where they can grow bananas. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 13 (32:43):
It is because it's warm and subtropical enough. So I
brought some bananas. But not only did I do it,
but the other nine people on the retreat also all
did the same because as they came past the so
we had a lot of bananas. So I decided, okay,
self sourcing, putting no caramelized, boozy, drunken bananas years and
everybody loved it. And this is why, because within ten

(33:04):
minutes you have got this on the table from start
to finish. So look, I peel and slice the bananas
into about two to three six slices. You kind of
want them to stay quite big so they don't get
too mushy, and you want probably a banana and a.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
Bit for each person.

Speaker 13 (33:19):
So four people, four large bananas. These were little, kind
of lady fingers, so we did a few more. You
want to melt say three tablespoons of butter and four
tablespoons of brown sugar in a pan, and just do
that until it starts to bubble, which is just a
few minutes, and you don't want to let it go
too far. Squeeze in the juice of a lemon. It
kind of just tempers that kind of sugariness. Jack like,

(33:41):
we want these to be carameized, but sometimes it can
be a bit cloying, and a little pinch of salt
is great bringing in that kind of salted caramel element.
I suppose throw your bananas in the pan after that
sauce is kind of bubbling away, and then cook it
until they are softened but definitely not mushy. And these
particular little lady fingers from up in Northland were just

(34:03):
perfect because they tend to be just a little bit
hard in the middle, which was perfect for this dish.
You can add three tablespoons or a splash or whatever
of brandy or rum or the host. For us it
had macedamia rum, which was absolutely amazing. I don't know
how that worked, but it was amazing, and let the

(34:24):
sauce bubble away fro another one to two minutes. Essentially
you're cooking off the alcohol to that so it's safe
for kids, et cetera. Safe serve these caramelized bananas and
little bowls or glasses. I put a dollop of either
softly whipped cream, although that tends to disappear quite quickly.
You can have a ball of ice cream, or sour
cream is a really great one. Again, you don't often

(34:46):
have fresh cream, or you might not have fresh cream
in the house, but sour cream with just maybe a
teaspoon of brown sugar in it is just the most
amazing flavor. And you'll find that that doesn't kind of
disappear so quickly with the heat of the bananas, and
it's it's just divide. Yeah, And it's one of those
desserts Jack where people think you've got.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
To an awful lot of trouble Heavens.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, everybody loves that. It just looks amazing. I reckon
not I reckon serving this with a little scoop of
hokey pokey ice cream. Actually, you know, just because the
hockey poke it ward would work with the kind of caramelization,
don't you think, just as a little and it gives
you a little crunch as well, just a little crunch
going off with the softness of the bananas.

Speaker 14 (35:24):
Oh.

Speaker 13 (35:25):
I love that ideas.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
Or maybe some little you.

Speaker 13 (35:28):
Know, toffee nuts or something like that.

Speaker 7 (35:31):
And hey, look, I've got a sister.

Speaker 13 (35:32):
In law who's from Martinique and she does the same thing,
but with pineapple, and she puts a little bit of
all spice and cinnamon in it as well. She flaes
off little slices of pineapple exactly the same sort of
other ingredients. And it's also really amazing. So it's very tropical,
it's very yummy. It's very warming for winter, these kind
of cooler nights we're started to get.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
So, you know, you got a sister in law from Martinique.

Speaker 13 (35:55):
I've got a sister in law from Martinique, you know.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Okay, yeah, that's she.

Speaker 13 (36:00):
Went Martinique, France, New Zealand met my sister and there
you go, Mary Heaven.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
That's amazing. Okay, yeah, so.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
She lives there.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
They live in New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (36:11):
And when when she made this with pineapple, I was
a bit like pineapple as you did that. It was
amazing and great with a little bit of all spice
and cinnamon. It's now one of my dad's favorite desserts too,
with the pineapples.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, they do, you know if they speak, they still
still speak French and Martinique or is it oh.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
I could ask you that.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I mean and French of course, obviously.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
I think they use the Euro. I feel like they
use the Europe because it's like a yeah, it's always
hard to keep up with exactly what the status of
the you know, you know, because what they called the
French antils, right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (36:45):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Oh look I'm going to ask some of those questions.

Speaker 13 (36:49):
I should know those things.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Okay, very good, Well, yeah, thank you so much. We'll
make sure that amazing sounding recipe for drunken bananas is up.
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You haven't seen potholes until you drive these secondary roads
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probably true. And the problem was I mean, look, I
just I don't want to overblow it too much because
it was like a really bad storm. I think what
did they say christ Church had that it was the
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(37:36):
in Selwyn, kind of just south of christ Church, I
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going to have some impact. But my point was that
with the potholes that I was driving along on State
Hoe one, some of them had to have already been
there for a while. That was so that was so
big and so deep. Perhaps I'm being unreasonable there, but
thank you for that. Ian. After ten o'clock, right after

(37:58):
the ten o'clock news, we're going to catch up with
British author Ben McIntyre. He's written all sorts of spy
stories over the years, but his latest work focuses on
the nineteen eighty siege at the Iranian embassy in London.
So six guys took twenty six people hostage. They were
in there for six days until the British sas with
the eyes of the world on them, went and broke

(38:20):
it all up. You had guys repelling from various things,
breaking through windows, arms drawn of course, so he's going
to give us the inside story of the Iranian embassy siege.
It really was an extraordinary event, and he'll be with
us right after the ten o'clock news as well as
that if you're looking for something good to watch this weekend,
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He expertly unravels complex historical events, explaining sharp subplots and
side characters, while artfully deploying dry humor to make the
stories he tells come to life. His most recent nonfiction

(39:54):
work is The Siege. It's a story of how in
April nineteen eighty six men stormed the Iranian embassy in
London and took twenty six hostages for six days. Ben
is coming to New Zealand for the Auckland Writers' Festival,
and it's joining us this morning. Kaldo, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (40:10):
It's delightful to be here. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
We are just so thrilled that you are going to
be here for the Writer's Festival very soon. But I
wondered if we could start by talking about your latest work, Besiege.
You have written about all sorts of interesting subjects over
the years, from Kim Philby to the to the rogue heroes.
How do you settle upon a subject like this?

Speaker 15 (40:32):
Well, this is one I've always wanted to write because
I was seventeen when this happened, and it was the
most dramatic thing I've ever seen on television. It was
an incredible sort of dramatic, real life performance. It broke
into the snooker, which we were all glued to, you know,
it was an incredible moment, and so I've always wanted
to write about it because it's one of those stories

(40:53):
that entered mythology very quickly. It became a sort of
story of sort of sas daring do and kind of
you know, fighting against the odds. And you know, actually
that the story itself is much more complicated that it's
much more interesting. It's a much more dense and conflicted
story about individuals really and about characters and personality.

Speaker 14 (41:15):
So I've really enjoyed writing this one. It's been great fun.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, it's a remarkable the amount of detail you're able
to extract from all sides of you know, of the crisis.
But just to remind our listeners, can you just give
us the basic outlines of the hostage crisis? What happened?

Speaker 14 (41:32):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 15 (41:33):
This was in April nineteen eighty, the US Embassy hostage
crisis was still going on in Tehran, and six armed
gunmen burst into the Iranian embassy in London and took
twenty seven hostages. They were young Arabs from a part
of Iran. They were actually deeply opposed to the Ayatola's regime.

(41:57):
They were bankrolled by Saddam Hussein. This was an Iraqi plot,
a deliberate attempt to destabilize the Ayatola and the Iranian regime,
and it led to this astonishing six days standoff between
the gunmen inside that building and the police and eventually
the essays on the outside. I don't want to give

(42:20):
it away for your readers, but the final denumr moment
of this story is extraordinary. When the essays end up
assaulting the building in a full scale, full military.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Assault as cameras watch on. I suppose is one of
the kind of critical moments, right, This is one of
those moments when you know the full capacity of the
essays is there for the world to see.

Speaker 15 (42:46):
That's right, And you know, the ESAs had never really
been heard of before this.

Speaker 14 (42:50):
I mean, it was still.

Speaker 15 (42:50):
A very secretive organization at this point. And of course
we're kind of used to this now it's a live
rolling news to seeing things happen in real time. This
was filmed by the television cameras as it took place,
and in nineteen eighty that was completely unprecedented.

Speaker 14 (43:06):
I want to ever see news relayed this way before.

Speaker 15 (43:09):
I remember it as a seventeen year old watching these
kind of black clad figures ab sailing down the outside
of this building, throwingly explosive inside, armed with machine guns
and then attacking the building. I thought it was a film.
I thought that accidentally they'd moved across from the Nigga
to a film. But so it's a very significant moment
and it had a dramatic impact on Margaret Thatcher's premiership.

(43:34):
You know, in a way it set the tones she'd
only been in power for a year by this point,
and it set the tone for the rest of her
premiership in many ways, her relationship with the military at
the Falkland Islands conflict, all of this in a way
starts from this event.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I was gonna say, is there an argument to be
made that the Falkland's conflict might have been avoided, or
at the very least that missus Etcher might have had
a different approach to that conflict had this not happened.

Speaker 14 (44:02):
Yes, I think you can make that point.

Speaker 15 (44:04):
Many in the Essays do I mean she believed that
she had forged a particular relationship with the military, and
the Essays played a very important role in the Falklands
and so yes, I mean, I think some of her
kind of you can see it now these days there's
rather gung ho attitude towards both terrorism and indeed towards
international conflict was born on this day in May.

Speaker 14 (44:29):
It was for May when this thing really came down.

Speaker 15 (44:33):
So it was very important for her, I think, and
she alluded to it throughout her premiership with great pride.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It's some more broadly being I mean, your subjects in
your various different roles and with various different heads. Your
subjects have always had a kind of boy's own quality
to them, you know, whether it's the British Intelligence services
or the likes of the essas. What do you think
has driven your personal interest in and in conflict, in

(45:02):
intelligence services and spying and that kind of thing.

Speaker 14 (45:05):
Well, I love those kind of stories.

Speaker 15 (45:07):
I mean they are, yes, they're boys' own paper in
a way, they're kind of you know, they're incredibly exciting
and adventurous and all of.

Speaker 14 (45:13):
That is wonderful. But actually when you dig.

Speaker 15 (45:15):
Into those stories, they're often much more fascinating than simply
stories of daring do because these are really stories about
what ordinary people do in extraordinary situations. And that is
absolutely true of the Iranian embassy seeds. There were twenty
six people inside that building. None of them got up

(45:37):
that morning expecting they were going to be thrust into
this terrifying drama. And a lot of the story is
really about how different people respond to terrifying situations they
can't control. And in that is the story of war,
that is the story of espionage. That is, in a
way the sort of secret story behind all conflicts is

(45:58):
how do individuals react when it really comes down to
the wire, and I think that's probably what has always
interested me.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
One of the individuals who doesn't necessarily cover themselves in
Gloria and not for the first time in the siege
is Prince Andrew, who rushed down to the embassy almost immediately.

Speaker 15 (46:18):
This is one of the more absurd aspects of this
story that I knew nothing about before I started writing it. Yes,
I mean, but the one moment when the police commissioner,
who was in charge of the whole operation actually lost
his temper was when Prince Andrew, then the kind of
young helicopter pilot, demanded Nate, insisted that he'd be allowed
to come down to police headquarters and witness the siege

(46:42):
in operation. He was told in no uncertain terms, and
indeed in terms that one didn't usually use towards royalty,
that that was not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yeah. You obviously have forwards really strong and trusting relationships
with people who either have been or are still in
pretty secretive worlds. So how do you go about nurturing
those relationships, whether it's in the intelligence agencies or with
special force and soldiers in the like.

Speaker 14 (47:11):
Well, it's difficult.

Speaker 15 (47:12):
But that said, everyone in the world wants to tell
their story, and that goes for people in the secret
world as much as anyone else. Really, they may be
kind of prevented in a way by convention and in
some cases by law, but they're basically human interest in instinct.

Speaker 14 (47:30):
I think, to tell our own narratives.

Speaker 15 (47:33):
So I've been very lucky over the last thirty years
I've met lots of people from this world. I could
not have written this book without the cooperation of the
Ministry of Defense in the UK. The SAS is not
supposed to talk about operations. Ever, that's a kind of
a firm rule. In this occasion, After a certain amount

(47:53):
of badgering from me, they agreed to allow the people
directly involved in this operation to talk about what had happened.
And that's really never happened before, and so I was
hugely grateful for that.

Speaker 14 (48:05):
It allowed me to talk to these people who.

Speaker 15 (48:08):
And there aren't that many of them still alive, who
had actually witnessed at first hand what happened in the
closing eleven minutes of Operation Nimrod, And without that, I
think this book would have been impossible to write, because
that really gave me the kind of warp and weft
of what that experience felt like. So yes, I mean
those personal relationships are absolutely crucial to writing narrative nonfiction

(48:32):
like this.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Do you ever worry that, you know, people in those
kind of positions of secrecy but also power are trying
to you know, they're put up the facad and say, oh,
you know, we never tell our stories, never tell us stories. Okay,
all right, Bean, will tell you our story, and it
just so happens that we look fantastic out of us.

Speaker 14 (48:50):
Well, you make a very good point.

Speaker 15 (48:52):
I mean, you know, spies and special operations people like
to tell those stories. When those stories reflect well on them,
they're much less willing to do.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
So.

Speaker 15 (49:00):
You know, if Operation Nimrod had failed, I don't think
the Ministry of Defense would be anything like as Keen.

Speaker 14 (49:06):
It wasn't that Keen anyway.

Speaker 15 (49:07):
But you know, to to sort of share the story,
one has to be a bit careful of that. I mean,
I'm always a bit nervous and a bit tentative about
dealing with sort of official bodies, because you know, this
is not an authorized book. I mean, it's different from
Sas Rogue Heroes, which I wrote before, which was an
authorized history of the SAS, and when I started that project,

(49:29):
I made it absolutely clear that while the SAS was
allowed to have an opinion about the manuscript, it did
not have editorial control.

Speaker 14 (49:37):
In this case, it's even firmer.

Speaker 15 (49:39):
They had no control over what I wrote in the
end at all, and to their credit, they really didn't
try to. There was only one or two elements of
what they call contemporary capability. I thinks that would still
be done today that were done in nineteen eighty and
as your listeners can imagine, there are a precious few
of those.

Speaker 14 (49:58):
There were a few of those.

Speaker 15 (50:00):
Where they said, look, please don't put that in the book,
because you know you don't want to, you don't want
to enable the other side. And look, I'm not in
the business of helping terrorists do anything.

Speaker 14 (50:09):
So I was perfectly happy to do that.

Speaker 15 (50:11):
But it's surprising in a way how little control really
they both have and can have over a project like this.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
You know, am I right and thinking? When you were
a student you were approached about potentially joining the intelligence citizens.

Speaker 15 (50:26):
Yes, this is one of the reasons why I've made
a hopeless spy. Is I've kind of revealed this supposed suit. Yes,
I was approached by by six and I went through
just the initial stages of recruitment. It became pretty clear
pretty quickly to both sides. I think that I was
really not I was not the type to make a
good spy. I like to reveal secrets. I don't really

(50:49):
like to keep them. That's why I've had that's a
only time, you know, as a journalist and as a
book writer, kind of digging into the secret past. So yeah,
I was briefly touched and or tapped up, as they
say in the UK parlance.

Speaker 14 (51:02):
But it was clearly never going to go anywhere.

Speaker 15 (51:04):
But I think it did leave me with is a
kind of residual fascination with the secret world. I think
there's a there's a story to be told about the
secret world in which a non fiction writer can write
about true stories in a way that nonetheless feels like fiction,
and that's almost unique to the spy world.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
The narrative nonfiction. Right, it's a yeah, yeah, how does
the approach work? Do someone just look? You call it tepic?

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Is it?

Speaker 14 (51:30):
I mean, it's it was literally the old fashioned way.

Speaker 15 (51:32):
It was my last university in Cambridge a nest of spies,
they say, and I was just approached by one of
my lecturers who said, you know, there are certain people
I think you ought to meet.

Speaker 14 (51:44):
I mean he never.

Speaker 15 (51:44):
Actually said what it was I was going to do,
but I was perfectly clear what was going to happen.

Speaker 14 (51:48):
And I went through a couple of interviews.

Speaker 15 (51:49):
But but and I did it more really out of
sort of curiosity.

Speaker 14 (51:53):
I think I slightly wasted their time. But it's you know,
it's I.

Speaker 15 (51:58):
Mean, my contacts in that world are always quite amusing
about They all know that I that was sort of
at one point.

Speaker 14 (52:06):
Briefly kind of mentioned as a possibility.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
What do you think, I mean, your fascination is shared
by so many people, including me. But you know, obviously
the nature of espionage in the secret world, as you
term that has massively changed and continues to change as
technology evolves in that sort of thing. What do you
think is something that people misunderstand about the operations or

(52:32):
capacity of intelligence services.

Speaker 14 (52:36):
It's a very good question.

Speaker 15 (52:36):
I mean, I think a lot of people assume today
that the whole of intelligence takes place digitally, that really
this is now a story about intercepting telephone messages, texts, emails,
that it's all taking place in a kind of cyber world,
and to a considered extent, that is the great development
of modern espiona. You know, it does take place up

(52:58):
there and needs a lot of it, but not all
of it, because human intelligence is as important today as
it ever was, in fact arguably even more important.

Speaker 14 (53:09):
You know, knowing.

Speaker 15 (53:11):
Who your enemy is, being able to put a face
to him or her, being able to talk to people
in crowded bars and work out whether they are telling
you the truth.

Speaker 14 (53:23):
That is still, I would say.

Speaker 15 (53:25):
The essence of all espionage, and without it, cyber espionage
doesn't work.

Speaker 13 (53:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Well, being we love your work. We love all of
your work, including the stuff that we've also seen on
TV and at the cinema. We're delighted that you are
going to be appearing at the Auckland Riders Festival and
AOK forward to hearing from me very soon.

Speaker 15 (53:46):
Well, I'm thoroughly looking forward to it, and indeed I
have a special guest in Auckland, which is one of
the participants in the Sas Embassy Siege and New Zealander
will be joining me on stage for that event, which
I'm thoroughly looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
That's going to be so special. Thank you being so.
Bean's going to be in New Zealand speaking at the
Auckland Writers Festival, which begins on the thirteenth of May,
and of course there's more information and tickets available at
writers Festival dot co dot nz. Before eleven o'clock on
News Talk ZB, we're going to take a closer look
at what the tariffs in the US are going to

(54:21):
mean for Apple. This has sort of been a bit
of a back and forth, but now that things have
settled at least for a week or so, like Donald
Trump hasn't changed the tariff policy in a few days,
we've got a bit of a better steer on what
it's going to mean for what has been the world's
most popular smartphone maker. Apple reckons it's still going to
cost them more than a billion dollars, but our Textbert

(54:42):
might give us a few insights on what it could
mean for New Zealand, so he'll be with us very shortly.
Next up, though, your screen time picks for this weekend.
If you're looking for a good show to watch your
stream at home, three fantastic shows to recommend. It's twenty
two pas ten.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday mornings with JAFTA
and vpewer dot co dot inz for high quality supplements.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
US Talk said, Lynn has locked us a note to
say she remembers the whole siege really well and remembers
PC Yvonne Fletcher, who was the police officer who was
sadly killed in that extraordinary event. Thanks that text, Lynn,
ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us
an message this morning, Jacket new Stalk dB dot cot
On indeed is the email address. It's twenty five past ten,

(55:28):
which means it's screen time time. Tara Ward is our
screen time experted as her job to give us three
shows each weekend to watch your stream at home. Hey Tara,
good morning. Okay, you got three cracking recommendations I reckon
this morning. So let's begin with the show streaming on
Neon tell us about Choir Games.

Speaker 12 (55:48):
Yeah, this is a really heartwarming new four part documentary
series that drops on Neon from tomorrow, and it's about
two choirs as they prepare for the World Choir Games,
which were held in Auckland last year. One of the
choirs is a youth choir from New York City which
is made up of teenagers who have had a tough
life or who are struggling a bit. And the other

(56:08):
choir is from Katya and as much smaller and very
much a local community choir. So it's following two very
different groups on their journey to the games. But what's
wonderful about this series is that you see the similarities
between the two groups and the way that singing gives
people in the choir a purpose and belonging in a
sense of pride. We watch them practice, we get to

(56:32):
know the singers, we see them compete, and you get
to understand why singing and why the choir is so
important to them. And there's something about watching people sing
together that always makes me feel emotional, and this documentary
series is channeling that. It captures that emotional power of
people coming together from all walks of life, all corners

(56:52):
of the globe. It's directed by Leanne Pauley, who also
made the Top Twins Untouchable Girls documentary. She made the
Valerie Adams documentary. So we're in really good hands here,
and I think because it's got those links to us
here in New Zealand with that wonderful choir from Tire,
that just makes this even more special and relatable. It's
just a really lovely, uplifting series.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Great. I cannot wait to see that. So that's quiet Game.
That's on Neon from tomorrow, streaming on Netflix. Tell Us
about the Four Seasons.

Speaker 12 (57:22):
This is a new comedy starring Tina Fey and Steve Carrell.
It's a remake of an old film by Alan Alder,
and Tina Fey has remade it and written it with
a couple of other writers from thirty Rock, So you've
got some really good comedy bones here. And the show
is about three married couples who have been friends for
a long time for instance, college, and who meet up

(57:44):
four times a year for a weeknd a way together.
One of the couples decides to divorce after twenty five
years of marriage, and the series is about the fallout
fallout from that separation as the dynamics and the group
shift between the friends and family and lives change and
those sort of long howled, unshakable relationships and friendships begin

(58:04):
to change over the next twelve months. It's a very
gentle warm kind of comedy, not necessarily that laugh out
loud kind of humor, but it's more sort of about
the rye observations about getting older and relationships changing and
trying not to have a mid life crisis but having one. Anyway,
eight half hour episodes, this would be kind of a

(58:26):
very pleasant binge watch on a Sunday afternoon kind of show.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Yeah. Nice, Okay, cool, that's the four seasons. That's on
Netflix and on Apple TV plus Currem.

Speaker 12 (58:35):
Yeah, this is a very lively, opulent French drama. That's
just that on Apple TV Plus. It's about a real
life figure called Antonine Karame, who was effectively the world's
first celebrity chef back in the early eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
He was French.

Speaker 12 (58:50):
He was born into poverty, but adopted by a baker
and became a talented pastry chef. He made these incredible
architectural cakes and desserts and wrote these best selling cookbooks.
He became very famous in a demand and ended up
cooking for Napoleon and so in the show, Karame is
a bit of a rock star. He's got swagger, he's

(59:11):
got sex appeal, he's a bit of a rebel. The
show does take a few historical liberties. He ends up
being a spy for Napoleon and the show but you
kind of just go along with it because it's that
kind of show. It's it's set in the eighteen hundreds.
It feels very modern. It's very sumptuous and beautiful. You know,
it's a bit of a romp. It's a bit of fun.
If you love food and cooking and the stress of

(59:33):
a big kitchen, this has got all of that. If
you ever wish the beer was set in revolutionary fronts,
you know, this is all your dreams come true. It's
over the top but kind of wonderfully.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
So okay, Well, you're very generous, Tara, because I called
it karem, and you've immediately called it karame and you've
very quietly not corrected there, which is generous of you.

Speaker 12 (59:54):
Well, I too called it kareem until I watched the show,
and then that's how they pronounce. I'm with you on
that one.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
I'm just hope this with French as the trick. Yeah,
they can be. They can be even when you're in
the broadcasting business. Hey, thank you. It does sound great.
The show sounds interesting, so thank you for that. Karra
May is streaming on Apple TV plus, the four seasons
is on Netflix, and Choir Games is on Neon from tomorrow.
It's ten thirty you with Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
EDB, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
He is one of our most treasured musicians, Sir Dave Dobbin.
I probably don't need to tell you that he has
always basically won every single thing possible from countless New
Zealand Music Awards, Opera and Aria Awards, Lifetime Achievement War Awards.
He's been knighted as well. Yesterday he released this it
is Slice of Heaven Paradise version. He released it to

(01:01:12):
coincide with the fiftieth anniversary of New Zealand's official music charts,
but it is also funny enough coinciding with the announcement
that he will get the band back together, The Dudes,
that is, for a very special one off performance at
Auckland's Town Hall as part of the Winter series. I
could believe this. Dave Dobbin has never played at the
Auckland Town Hall before. What anyway, He's going into a

(01:01:36):
bit of a deep dive into his extraordinary back catalog
for the show. So our music correspondent the Stelle Clifford
is going to join us perform midday with more details,
and we're going to take a cheeky guess at what
Deep Cuts might be on the set list when he
performs at Auckland's town Hall. Here's the funny thing, A
funny relationship I have with this song back in the day.

(01:01:59):
I mean obviously a classic, right if not the classic
in New Zealand. So back in the day, I was
for a brief and glorious window of my life, a
weddings and twenty first DJ. So when I was about
I think I started when I was about seventeen or so.
It was kind of one of my first gigs and

(01:02:20):
literally gigs. So I would go round in Canterbury and
I had this kind of speaker setup that just squeezed
into the back of my Honda City, my first car.
You had to pack it just the right way otherwise
I couldn't get the speakers and the lights in there.
And anyway, I go off to usually twenty firsts around
the place, sometimes school disc goes, sometimes weddings as well,

(01:02:40):
and no matter what the event was, I always ended
the night. The last song of the night was always
Slice of Heaven because I always knew you, I mean,
you'd have people up on the dance for way, then
I would be partying away and I always finish things
with Slice of Heaven. And to this day, twenty years on,
anytime I hear that song, it takes me back right
twenty five to eleven. Our texpert is the next you

(01:03:00):
with Jack Tayman. This is news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Putting the tough questions to the news bakers. The mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Back to this business of our economy.

Speaker 16 (01:03:10):
As a chief economy Sharon Solna is back with all
these companies that are abandoneding guidance now because they have
no idea what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Does that make life more difficult for us?

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
All?

Speaker 16 (01:03:18):
Well, it does make it more difficult for them in case,
I mean the actual direct tariff on our ten percent
on twelve percent of very exports really of their goods experts.
It's not a game change of the economy, but for
some individual companies, of course it's a very big deal.
But the main channel through which you could be effected
the slower growth, including in China, support partners and texting,
our commology classes and exports more generally, but also that

(01:03:40):
confidence channel.

Speaker 9 (01:03:42):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk z.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
B twenty two to eleven. Paul Stenhouse is our texpert
end is here this morning, Hey, Paul, So, Apple has
given a few more details on the US tariffs and
its strategy to try and keep iPhones and macbox and
that kind of thing as cheap as possible.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Well, remember they filled up a plane jack to try
to get as many iPhones into the United States as
possible when these tariffs were first talked about, and they've
now said in their latest earnings call that basically your iPhone,
if you're buying it in the United States in the
next couple of months, will be coming from India, right,
while your iPad, mac Apple Watch AirPods they're going to

(01:04:27):
be coming from Vietnam, right. And so basically the rest
of the world is going to be getting the output
of the China factory. Right, So they're going to take
all that product that they typically make in China, send
that around the world, and in the USA it's going
to get its.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Own special products.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
But it's really interesting to note though, right they say
that if nothing else about these tariffs change, because who
knows they could change. They seem to change daily. The
current estimate is that it will cost them just for
this one quarter nine hundred million US dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Whoa, okay, so yeah, crazy, like one point New Zealand's yeah,
my gosh billion, yeah billion.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
And so you know, they also are putting out their
guidance their investors saying that because again nothing changing, Yeah,
imports going forward will actually be exempt from the tariffs
because Trump put in that that carve out for semiconductors
and electronic goods and things like that. So this is
sort of like the one quarter where Apple is going
to have to eat it at nine hundred million US dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Yeah, that's amazing. I just imagined logistically, because obviously all
those companies are pretty advanced and their you know, production
strategies and all that kind of thing. Just imagine trying
to change all of the logistics for your production and
exports effectively overnight as they've had to do. So, Yeah,
it'd be very interesting to see how things unfold, be it,
and I suppose for the time being, unless you know, unless,

(01:05:57):
unless there are other big changes and changes between our relationship,
New Zealand's relationship with China trading relationship then basically ies
and MacBooks and everything is still going to be the
same price, just as expensive as they've always been in
New Zealand. And whether or not they're cheaper or expensive
relative to products bought in the US, I suppose depends

(01:06:18):
on whether or not those policies change. So yeah, hey,
Meta is working to make WhatsApp AI chats a little
bit more private.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Yeah, Privacy obviously front and center when it comes to
just you know, sending information up to the cloud, right,
and so as you're sending more and more personal data
and having conversations with your AI agent, obviously that's important too.
And so Meta is basically calling what creating what they
call private processing. So what effectively is is that when

(01:06:49):
you start having your chat with your AI agent, it's
working in your own little say Jack Tame bubble right. Effectively,
it's running like you know, it's own software in the cloud.
You know, it's not doing it in something that shared.
Thus saying that Meta what'sapp. Because Meta obviously owns WhatsApp
or any of their third parties, they can't see what's
going on, So that's going to stay completely private to you.

(01:07:10):
It is optional though it's in the process of being
rolled out, and when it does get rolled out for you.
You'll actually have to go in and select to use
private processing private mode. But it's interesting because Apple's doing
this too. Apples strategy is a little bit different. They're
going to try and do as much processing as they
can on your device, which is why your new iPhone
has these, you know, especially design AI chips, and then

(01:07:31):
they go to the cloud and go into private mode
only when they need to where Metas strategy is, we're
going to do everything in the cloud, but hey, we're
going to try to keep this private where we can.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Yeah, very good, Okay, Hey, thanks, Paul, appreciate your time.
That is our texpert, Paul Steenhouse. We're in the garden
before eleven o'clock right now, though it's eighteen minutes to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and bepwured
dot co dot nz for high quality supplements use talksb
it's got.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
It to eleven on your Saturday morning, and we're talking
personal finance with Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners this morning
and has this thing called an economists pay Routine and
alternative to budgeting that will help you budget, which seems
counterintuitive that he's here this morning.

Speaker 18 (01:08:14):
Hey, ed, great to talk Peter Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah, great to speak with you. So run us through
your steps here, because this is really cunning. Basically that's
fair right, a way to budget without budgeting.

Speaker 18 (01:08:25):
Well, the trouble is, if you ask pretty much any
New Zealander how do you get better with money? Everybody
would say got to do a budget, and probably ninety
nine percent of your your listeners, except for the accountants
out there, would probably be saying, yeah, we should budget.
But most people don't except for those accountants. And so
despite the fact that we all know we probably should

(01:08:45):
be keeping better track of where our money's going, most
people don't. And so I think, rather than telling you
to do something that you're probably not going to do,
just start automating your money. And what I mean by
that is put it into some buckets. And probably the
best system I've seen comes from Australian guy called the
Barefoot Investor. And what he basically says is take sixty
percent of your pay. It doesn't matter how much you

(01:09:07):
get paid. Everybody can do the sixty percent of the
pay that's going to be on what he calls your
blove account. So just every day standard living, your rates
and all of that stuff you've just got to pay for.
Right then we take a small amount of it, call
it ten percent. That's just for your little splurges, and
you should just automatically transfer it. And you can set
this up automatic transfer across to an account called your

(01:09:29):
splurge account. That's for your coffees or your movie tickets,
anything fun you want to do over the weekend. We
can have a little allowance as well that he calls smile,
that'll be ten percent. That's for your holiday savings. Will
say that it's to birthday presents. But here's the really
important one. We want to also be automatically transferring twenty
percent of our pay whatever's left over, that's going to

(01:09:50):
be our fire extinguisher. Now we can use that to either.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Well are you there ed? Oh sorry here, yeah, we
lost you for just a second. How so go It's
called a fire extinguisher account.

Speaker 18 (01:10:04):
The fire extinguisher. So we can take twenty percent of
our pay. We're going to put that against credit cards
or personal loans any high interest here or also savings
and or property or investments or shares whatever it happens
to be, and that's how we're going to get ahead financially.
And the main thing I encourage people to do is
automate their money so they don't have to think about it.

(01:10:25):
Because if you've got to think about a can need
to transfer this amount of money into into a movie budget,
orm coffee account, and I've got to transfer twenty percent
into savings and investments. You have to make that decision
every single week or fortnite or month that you get paid,
and it's really important if you automate it, you only
have to make that decision once. So I often encourage people,

(01:10:46):
whether you want to invest in shares, whether you want
to invest in property, set up that account and just
make it an automatic habit so you don't have to
think about it every single time. Now I do this
myself my accounts, and if I logged into an ASB
account and showed you today, Jack, they are called blow,
they are called smile, they called spillurgs, they called fire extentisher.

(01:11:07):
And this has changed my money life. I used to
be horredic with money, and as soon as I started
using a system like this, that has completely changed. Because
I'm not one of those people who is going to
have a spreadsheet and account for every single dollar of
where it's going to go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Yeah, I think you're really onto something here. My sister
does exactly this. Her and my brother in law have
this where they have the different accounts and just everything's
automated and so, like you said, they're able to kind
of keep on top of things and they engage with
their money, but it's all automated, so they're not at
the start of every month kind of meticulously going through everything.
And it just seems like it's a really kind of
effective mechanism. And also there's a simple way of just

(01:11:44):
taking advantage of the benefits of, you know, banking in
a digital world day, Like it's easy to set up
an account called a splurge account, it's easy to set
up an account called a fire extinguisher account. This isn't
too complex.

Speaker 18 (01:11:56):
Yeah, And the thing is, you get some funny looks
when you go and apply to get a mortgage. But
it's really interesting the people who do this. They give
you a little smile when they they look at what
your accounts are called and they go, oh, I know
what you're doing here. And one other fascinating thing there
was A really great study I always talk about comes
from the University of Chicago and what a guy called

(01:12:17):
Richard Saylor came out with this idea that mental accounting matters.
And what he basically said is, look, you could come
up with a spreadsheet, you could particulously decide where every
cent and dollar goes. But what works almost exactly as
well is just having these little mental rules of thumb.
Now you don't have to use the one that our
I outlined today. Another common one is fifty thirty twenty,

(01:12:41):
Fifty percent of your money goes to needs, thirty percent
goes to once, twenty percent goes to long term savings
or paying down debt, whatever the numbers work out for you.
I encourage people to speak to their partner or to
themselves if that single, and just be like, okay, what
are those percentages going to be? Set up? Those three
or four accounts have some different cards for them potentially,

(01:13:01):
and just automate that money so you can start keeping
it on top of it. Now, if you want to
go whole hog and come up with a spreadsheet and
budget it to your as far as you can to
your heart's content, that's perfectly fine. But this is a
really practical easy way that people can get get started
and five or ten minutes logging into their banking app.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Love your work here, fantastic, Thank you so much. That's
Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners with us. This morning. We'll
put all of his advice up on the website. Of course.
Right now it is ten to eleven. We're in the garden.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Next gardening with steel shaft free autumn upgrades on Still's
best sellers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Rude Climb pass is here with us this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Kilder, Good morning, Jack. I'm not in the garden today.
I'm at coh Order Perk in Perpetoytoy. What do you
think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Very good? What are you doing there?

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Well, when you get sowing people and kids coming for
walks and doing all sorts of stuff, we're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Just once in my life. I'm not hoping for this
to happen, but we're going to call you and we're
going to say, rude climb passes in the garden and
you say you're going to say, no, I'm in a
large I'm in a multi story concrete car park or
something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
I think that's happened once. Remember, Yeah, No, it wasn't anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Yeah, been a bit of a wild week nation wide
with the weather. But it is this time of year,
of course, that we need to start getting organized for
a few bits and pieces in a few months time.
And you're just going to run us through some of
those things we should be prioritizing.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
Well, that's one of the things. And we talked about
it yesterday last week, and that was the peach leaf curl,
and we talked about the fact that that becomes obvious
in spring that six months away, and now is the
time that you have to do something to get that
peach leaf curl under control or do it stop it
from doing anything nasty to your pitches at the moment.
And we talked about it last week, the double gloss

(01:14:54):
of copper right now when the leads are starting to
fall off, because what you're doing is you're actually getting
rid of the spores that are causing the trouble in
sprint time. And you do it once and then three
weeks you do the second time. In the way you go.
But the question I got after our talk last week
is does the copper spray debilitate the peaches and the nectarines,

(01:15:15):
but as well and I said, no, they're not. They
don't because it has no hassle. If you spray copper
on an established leaf of a pitch, you have trouble
because the leaf usually basically burns today not because now
just before they drop the leaves, who cares, they're going anyway, right,

(01:15:40):
And that's it. So here's another thing, and this is
the thing that especially in the North Island, people are
really peeved off about, and that is that the wonderful
creature that is that each your citrus or actually bores
into your citrus. It's called the lemon tree borer. Yeah,
it can do quite a bit of damage to your images,

(01:16:02):
to be quite honest. And as I said, Nelson Glenn
and North, let's up stuff. But here comes to thing
a lot of people don't realize with the name lemon
tree borer that it is not an introduced species of
beetle of a long warn peotle. It has been near
all its loft. And I reckon that creature was eating
all sorts of native trees at this station, boring into

(01:16:24):
native trees and still does. But I reckon when the
citrus was literally taken into a museum by Sharmock Kemp
Charlotte Kemp and keedry Kenny in eighteen nineteen. I reckon
all the lementary borers were literally applauding on the stone
storn wall because they had finally something decent to eat,

(01:16:46):
and honestly they did. They got right into it. This
is the thing because they love to lay their eggs
on naked one that has been proved. For instance, you
can do that in the spring and summertime when the
borer are around.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
But no, there are no borers at the moment because
it's in autumn time. Now it's the time to literally
prune your lemon trees, your sitters trees without that extra
and so so this is the adventure tifting prune.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
And now that's means said, you don't have to deal
with later on and get all these rubbish things going on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah, very good, Hey, thank you so much. Enjoy your
time in Papaty.

Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
I might certainly do this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Get you soon, Yeah, catch you very soon. That is
rouge climb pass. Not quite in the garden for us,
but the next best thing. This morning, right, it is
just coming up to eleven o'clock on news talks, he'd
be after eleven. Our travel correspondents. Well, he's been enjoying
all sorts of exotic locations of late. He's going to
take us all on a trip to Buddhapest, which is

(01:17:51):
a very very interesting part of the world at the moment. Well,
Hungary is very interesting part of the world. So yeah,
looking forward to hearing about that. Our music reviewer is
here as well with her thoughts on Dave Dobbin's upcoming
show at Auckland's Town Hall and what tracks might dig
out of the archive. He just has such an incredible
back catalog to choose from away. I wonder if we'll

(01:18:12):
put a few surprises in there, so she'll give us
her thoughts on that. It's almost eleven o'clock. Don't use
its Next you're reject Tame on News Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Saturday mornings with Jack Tam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend with bpure Dot cot on in here for
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Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Used Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
More you know, if you're just turning on the radio
this morning with Jack Tame through the twelve o'clock on
News Talks, he'd be Election Day in Australia today, Oh
too hot. The like politics in New Zealand can be dramatic,
with politics in Australia is tic. It's going to be
very interesting to see how things unfold today. So obviously,
the polls are suggesting that Anthony Albert Easy and his

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Labor Party are in a stronger position than they have
been for quite some time. I mean a lot of
people are putting this down to the kind of Trump
phenomenon that seems to be benefiting center left politicians that
are currently in government. Anyway, you can look at Canada
and you can look at Australia and say that both
Mark Carney in Canada and Albanese's Labor have probably benefited
from the Trump presidency so far. I think they've probably

(01:19:37):
also benefited from what's been a pretty poor campaign from
the Liberals and from Peter Dutton in Australia so far.
So how things likely to do unfold today, Well, the
polls close at six pm Eastern Time in Australia. That's
when they begin closing, and obviously they remain open for
a few hours after that to allow for the West

(01:19:58):
Coast for voters in Western Australia to cast their ballots.
They have had early voting open for some time in
Australia so far. However, for whatever reason, the rules in
Australia mean that they can't count those early votes until
the polls close. They are, however, allowed to prepare some
of those votes, so the polling workers can go and

(01:20:19):
get the millions of early votes that have already been cast.
They can prepare them like they can unfold them, but
they can't start counting them until the polls close. So
there's that little curiosities about election election rules and election
laws in Australia. So they can start unfolding them at
four o'clock. It means that they will be able to
process the votes faster than the votes that have been

(01:20:41):
cast today or the ballots that have been cast today,
but it's still it's not like, you know, six oh
one Australian Eastern time. They're immediately going to have immediately
going to have the results. Of course. The other thing,
the other kind of dynamic at play in Australia is
that they have a preferential voting system. So you come
in and you say, you kind of list your candidate.
It's one by one. You say, this's my favorite, there's

(01:21:03):
my second favorite, there's my third favorite, and they have
compulsory in Australia, which also means the results are a
little bit different than you might expect in other countries
where there are bigger demographic qualities at play. So you
can say, for example that oh, well, this politician or
this party, this platform might be popular with younger voters,
but then younger voters don't necessarily vote in the same

(01:21:25):
numbers as older voters. The non voting factor isn't quite
the issue in Australia than it might be in other countries.
So anyway, all of that is to say, fascinating day
in Australia today. I got lots of mates over there
who are very very keenly watching those results and they
sort of turn it into an event. You know, they
have a sausage. You know, everyone goes and cast their
ballot and then gets a sausage to celebrate election day

(01:21:47):
and celebrate democracy. So yeah, looking forward to the results
coming in tonight. It seems pretty likely more likely than
not that we would have a result by midnight New
Zealand time, but it might be tomorrow until the exact
shape of the government becomes clear, especially if they need
to form a coalition or it's a minority government or
something like that. Anyway, coming up before a day on

(01:22:07):
news talks, he'd be We're going to catch up with
our music reviewer Stell Clifford, who is looking at Dave
Dobbin's back catalog and trying to pick what the master
is going to be playing when he plays this one
off show at Auckland's town Hall next month. Cannot wait
for that as well as that. Our travel correspondent is
taking us to Hungary and a few of his highlights
in Buddapest this hour. Right now, though it is ten

(01:22:30):
past eleven, Jack Team time to catch up with our
sustainability commentator Kate Hall is with us this morning looking
at her top tips for a sustainable Mother's Day. Gelder Kate,
good morning. It's always a bit tricky. I you know,
my well, mom says she never wants us to spend
crazy amounts of money on her. Everyone says that, don't
they But nah, I think I think Mum's legit about that.

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But actually coming up with a few sustainable options for
Mother's Day is you know, a nice way to mark
the day, show mum you love her, remember her on
a special day, but also, you know, do what's maybe
right by your bank account and right by the earth.
And you've got a few little top tips for us
this morning. So let's start off with your eco friendly gifts.

Speaker 19 (01:23:10):
Yeah, so if you're I'm all about experiences and time
because I think actually mums do actually mean it, you
know when they say don't spend money, because time is
usually the most scarce resource for us. You know, they
literally they miss us. They want to spend time and
do something together rather than be thrown another scented candle.

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But if your mum is someone who does like things,
well maybe there's something that she particularly needs. Three of
my kind of favorite sustainable gifts that I've seen around
the place. There's washbags made from well here in New
Zealand by Honest Wolf, and you get them even embroidered
with that your mum's names and it's pretty, that's pretty lovely.

(01:23:53):
Nuin socks so they're possum socks. They're so my favorite
during winter, I know that my mum loves a cozy
pair of socks and a loyal workshop. Leather wallets made
by women who are taken out of the sex traffick
king district in India and have great jobs making all
these wonderful leather goods. So those are three kind of

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main items that for me. When I was looking around,
I was like, yeah, these are these are handy, they're useful,
they're personable, they're made sustainably. But I do have a
directory ethically Kate dot com where there's like all of
these different I was just looking through it this morning,
inspiring myself with gifts to think, yeah, like what these
are all the sustainable brands in New Zealand that most

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of them have like different Mother's Day kind of sales
and stuff too. So if you if you're going for
a physical gift, think about those types of things and
then don't you don't need to wrap them or get
wrapping paper anything. Just use a there's so many beautiful
scarfs at second hand shops, or if you have kids,
use their old kind of paintings that they bring home

(01:24:57):
from from kindy or whatever, or get them to you know,
scribble on a scrap piece of paper and it can
look pretty beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
I'm always a fan of you know specially I mean,
my mum is such a keen gardener. But like flowers
or plants are quite a quite a nice little option too.

Speaker 19 (01:25:16):
Totally and I love that you say like plants, because
you know, flowers and a bundle that's really lovely and
especially if you get it from somewhere it's locally grown,
but it's also not you know, it's kind of not
going to last super.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Long, so very extensive, yeah, can I know.

Speaker 19 (01:25:33):
And a pot plant can actually sometimes be cheaper, you know,
like if you went to a local kind of nursery
and got a plant and I just added something special
to it, like an little woven thing around the part ure,
just just something that's probably actually cheaper than you know,
like an eighty dollars bunch of flowers that may last

(01:25:54):
seven days. So that's yeah, that's a great one too.
But like for me, my mum, she really is about
the outdoors and would love to be outside and doing
stuff with her family. So that's more about like, hey mom,
for Mother's Day, we'll take you on a bushwalk, make
a picnic. You know, maybe that's where you spend your
money is on like the lovely food, and you're putting

(01:26:16):
time and thought into it. And I think these days, especially,
you know, people just throwing money at it, buy a
nice card and like move on. But actually mothers there's
such a and mother figures in our lives. Yeah, they
deserve to just if you can prioritize them and prioritize
your time, that can mean just the entire world.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Yeah. Yeah, And like you say, like it's an experience,
you're kind of creating a memory there as well, which
as always so special. If you are getting together and
doing the kind of bushwalking picnic thing, you would obviously
want us to be using, you know, not avoiding plastic
pates and heaps of rubbish and that kind of thing.

Speaker 19 (01:26:54):
Totally. Yeah, it would be ironic if you were to
sit out in a bush walk on a picnic and
then have a whole lot of rubbish around you have
to take home, So it is easier and also lighter
if you are walking through a bush to Yeah, some
simple containers reuse if you're reusing a reasonable plastic bags,
a plot bag, those can be really great. They're really

(01:27:15):
light and you can wash them use them again. So yeah,
think about what you're taking or your items. And reasonable nepkins,
which I just love. I think they're so much more
classy as well. That's what I'll be doing for my
mum is having a brunch and yeah, reasonable netkins, just
normal plates and all sorts of things. But if you
are having a bigger gathering I know some people do

(01:27:37):
for Mother's Day, get together with a whole bunch of family,
then yeah, think about that as well. I you know,
you can get knives and forks and plates and all
sorts for you know, fifty cents at up stops if
you do need to cater for a bigger range of people,
And that can actually save your money in the long
term too. If you just have that stash of things,

(01:27:57):
you're not having to buy disposals all the time for
big events.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Yeah, that makes sense. And like if you are seeing
mama car even just doing something digitally or seeing like
a video message or something be quite nicely totally. Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:28:08):
I love it when you know people maybe overseas, right
or maybe mums in another country and actually, yeah, creating
and thinking about a clever video to put together maybe
with your siblings or like the rest of your family,
that could be such a laugh and something that she
can keep and keep looking at rather than a card
that just says something like happy Mother's Day, move on it. Yeah,

(01:28:32):
it can show again, it's showing that time and thought
and I think ye, especially these days people are just
running around so kind of busy that that really, yeah,
shows how much you love your mum.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Ah so good, Hey, thank you very much. Kay, appreciate that.
We'll put all of your tips there up on the
newstalksz'd be websites so people who are scrambling for Mother's
Day next weekend can get themselves sorted. And of course
you can find Kate on the social media platforms. Just
look up ethically Kate and you'll be able to track
her down. Jose took me an interesting email to say, Jack.
I was a volunteer worker for the family Christmas Lunch

(01:29:04):
that Auckland City Mission used to do at the Auckland
Town Hall. One year, I reckon it was about nineteen
ninety five. Dave Dobbin performed on stage while lunch was
being served. I think Big Wronger was another performer at
the time, so not quite a paid concert performance, but
close enough. Dave also came to Puck, a tour island
resort with the Dudes and performed the weekend that the
island hosted the Auckland Boat Show in nineteen eighty eight,

(01:29:27):
which was a memorable concert by the Master So Okay,
So we thought Joseph that Dave Dobbin had never played
the Auckland Town Hall. So I wonder how never that
never is. You know, maybe there are a couple of exceptions.
Maybe it's like never played the Auckland Town Hall in
a paid concert, or never headlined a concert at the
Auckland Tatle or something like that. We'll have to double check,

(01:29:47):
but thank you very much for those memories. Ninety two
ninety two is our text number if you want to
send me a message to this hour, or you can
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Speaker 14 (01:30:07):
With Windy Woo Tours Where the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
World is yours for Mike Hadley's our travel corresponding. He's
here this morning, killder, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
You know what a jack. I'm gazing out at Mount
Haut through my window at the moment, and you would
think mister Whoopy has gone berserk, because the whole spine
of the Southern Alps has got quite the snow coat.
But the well, are we the food of May for
God's sair. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
I was going to say very early for first, you know,
for heavy snow, but I'm not surprised after this week.
So I was sort of in your neck of the
woods on Thursday and you know, you know, yeah, well no,
I mean it was actually I was, I mean, always
delighted to be in Canterbury, but I was driving. I
was driving the stretch from a state hiow one from
christ Rich south and you know, when you're usually heading south,

(01:30:55):
you've kind of got nothing really on your left hand side,
but on the right hand side, like you say, you've
got the spine of the Southern Alps there. Yes, of course,
on Thursday, in the throes of the storm, I couldn't
see anything, get loads to see out of the window,
but it was, according to the car thermometer, six degrees
and the rain was falling very heavily. So I was
looking out that right hand driver's side and thinking, you

(01:31:16):
know what, Okay, maybe I can't see the Alps right now,
but something tells me they're getting to be getting a
fair bit of snow in this storm. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's particular. Please hear there are some upsides given what
have been over the last few days. Anyway, we are
turning our attentions slightly further afield this morning to put

(01:31:37):
a pest in Hungary. And it is a very very
interesting place to be right now, not only for historical
reasons but for modern political reasons. Is Victor Auburn's influence noticeable?

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
It's unmistakable. Yeah, it's been over a decade since I
was last and brought a pesta, and all Ben's nationalist
stripes are just ever present in the city. So the
thing I really noticed a couple of weeks ago the flags.
There's just these huge Hungarian flags at every turn, choose monuments,
all sorts of splashy patriotism, just pervading Buddha pest. The

(01:32:13):
money spent check on lighting up every landmark building in bridge,
edging and crossing the Danube is astonishing. It's like Disneyland
after dark. And Budapest. He's Europe's longest serving prime minister.
He cleared Bapest of beggars. They are persona on grata.
But I think his most extravagant splash has been on

(01:32:36):
rebuilding the historic power base of Hungary, the Castle District,
which is on the hills of Buddha. All of that, well,
a lot of it was destroyed in World War Two,
but it's now one of Europe's biggest historic reconstruction zones.
It is just epic.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
How much is he spending on the restorations.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Then, such a good question. No one really seems to know.
It's a closely guarded secret. The total price tag, well
you just just pick a number. But currently the building's
currently being worked on. They come with a cost of
three billion dollars, so I mean you can you can double, triple,

(01:33:16):
quadruple that figure for the total price tag. But it's
just extraordinary. So this castle district, it was previously like
the power base of the the Habsburgs when Austria and
Hungary got together. My guide, I think my guide summed
it up best. As we sort of walked along all
of these buildings being stored and reconstructed. My guide said,

(01:33:39):
Auburn has an edifice complex, which it was such a
great term. But yeah, under under the Habsburg monarchy, Jack,
many of these castle fountains actually frothed with wine. No
word as to whether that's been reinstated.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
I guess we'll find out. My goodness, Yeah, that's amazing.
I mean, this is you know, an extraordinary Yeah, that's
part of the has an extraordinary recent history, and there
are some pretty sobering World War iiO history on the
banks of the Danube.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yes, Hungary was a Nazi puppet before the Soviets called
the shots post war. But just down from the Hungary Parliament,
which is another beautiful building from the nineteenth century, the
Schue Memorial man alive sixty pairs of bronze shoes and
they're all in different shapes and sizes, and they just
scattered along the edge of the river as if the

(01:34:34):
owners of these shoes have just stepped out of them.
It's in honor of the thousands of Hungarian Jews who
were forced to remove their shoes before being shot on
that site, and the reason being the shoes were actually
a really valuable commodity during the war, so as their
bodies floated away in the river, their shoes were being sold.

(01:34:55):
And the simplicity of the Schu Memorial, it is profoundly moving.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Yeah, I remember seeing it there, and you know, I've seen,
you know a few kind of memorials and things around Europe.
I reckon that stands out as one of, if not
the most kind of affecting memorials today. I can think
of degree throughout that part. Yeah, it really is, you know,
it really is affecting and moving. So yeah, totally your
suggestion there. Did you try Hungary's locallysterol pork.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Well, it sounds like a contradiction in tombs, doesn't it.
Locally stroll porky pig and very high on Omega three,
this one in Hungary. So yes, autra Felgutu went out
to a place called Sheeeesel Winery on the outskirts of
the city and their specialty dish is munga Litzer pig.
So this is a locally strolled pork from a heritage

(01:35:47):
breed of Hungarian pigs. And I've become the toast of
a lot of gourmet restaurants in Europe. But the most
unusual pigs they have really wally coolly here they look
more like overgrown sheep than than pigs. And the mungo
litzer is a lot darker than regular pork. It looks

(01:36:08):
and tastes more like beef. It's cured and smoked and
super tasty and very good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Apparently it is that he is not you know, it's
not lacking.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
No, no, no, no at all. He just put a bit
of paprika on it and life.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Is good on how old. That's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Well I loved this one. Reject. She's was started by
a German migrant family in the nineteenth century and the
great grandson, Conrad she still he runs it today. But
he told me this great story about how during World
War Two his grandfather had his best friend who was Jewish,
and his whole family in giant oak barrels at that

(01:36:49):
winery to save their lives from the essays. And then
about twelve years later, after the Communists took power, the
winery was nationalized, but the Jewish friend's son had become
a lawyer and actually convinced Hungary's leader to return the
winery to the Shecheesel family. Isn't it the most amazing story? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Yeah, okay, So what else is or where else is
good for some sort of quintessential tastes and buta pests.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Well, you may recall the big central market in town,
so this is like grazing heaven, and it's still just
the go to for a taste of budapests. So there
are still hundreds of food stalls. Most of them are
actually selling peasant dishes as they call it. You know,
your goulesh soup and your langos, those fried flat breads,

(01:37:39):
which probably is actually Hungary's best known street food. I
reckon around the world Paprika, the spicy anca to all
Hungarian cuisine. You will find it everywhere. I do love
those paprika sauces, and I was very impressed to see
despite the cost of living around the world, you can
still get bangers and a beer combo at the Central

(01:37:59):
Market for about three New Zealand dollars. Oh yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
The price is right nice. What about the ruin bars?
Are those sort of thing?

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
They are a Budapeste signature, so basically they're making use
of derelict buildings and there are still a lot of them.
Just a few blocks back from the Danube, I went
to Taqueria, which was formerly the storage depot for Hungarian railways.
I tried a pinky jack, which is a grape fruit
vodka shot, and then I had one of the highly

(01:38:27):
flammable plumper linkers, which weighed in forty four percent alcohol.
Just the one did the trick.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Yes, my goodness, was there any sweetness in.

Speaker 10 (01:38:38):
That No, no, no, really, yeah, very totally.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
It sounds like an adventure though, thank you. And yeah,
like I said, i'd love to go there. You know,
this moment in time, I think it's more than a decade,
it's but yeah, I would absolutely love to go right
now because it's a very interesting place. Thanks so much, Mike.
We'll make sure all of Mike's tips for trekking through
but a pestra up on the News Talks, he'd be
website before midday, some music and some picks from our

(01:39:06):
music reviewer as to what Dave Dobbin might choose when
he performs his one off show at Auklands Town Hall
coming up shortly. We'll have your book picks for the
weekend as well. Right now, it's eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Thirty, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team.
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Twenty seven and twelve. On News Talks, he'd be Jason
pineer Is behind the mic this afternoon with Weekends Sport.
He's with us now, Hey, Piney Killer Jack, I'm Rix
and I f C. Hey how a the Hi?

Speaker 10 (01:40:01):
Oh my goodness, aga into Wellington on private jets probably
new July. Yeah, let's this is quite cool. Look, Wellington
Phoenix have had a forgettable season. I'll wrap it tomorrow yep.
But yeah, if we've got Wrexham to look forward to
in July, that's a nice little boost for fans of
football in the Capitol. Yeah, very much so.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Aukland FC have their last game of the regular season
this evening. So just talk us through the playoff kind
of process, because I mean, I know the Phoenix have
made to the playoffs a couple of times before, but just
just run us through how things are like you to
go for the next couple of weeks. Obviously things are
a bit result dependent in terms of opponents and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 10 (01:40:39):
Indeed they are. Yeah, we don't yet know who Auckland
will play, so by finishing in the top two, which
they are guaranteed to do now, they will skip the
first week of the playoffs, that is next weekend. When
three plays six and four plays five, those are straight
knockouts and the winners go through to the semi finals
to play Auckland FC and whoever finishes second. Now in
the semi finals they are home and away, so Auckland

(01:41:01):
FC will travel away to whoever it is and then
host them back at home on Saturday, the twenty fourth
of May. It's an aggregate across the two legs. When
that and you're into a one off grand final, which,
if Auckland make Auckland will host. We don't quite know
where yet, could be Eden Park, could be going media.
But so basically they are three games away from lifting

(01:41:21):
the A League Championship to go with the A League Premiership.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Yes, right, So regardless of what happens tonight in their
last regular season game, they will definitely have a home
and away semi final and they'll be playing the winner
of the what of the fourth of the fifth sixth playoff?

Speaker 10 (01:41:38):
Well, it all depends on who comes through in the
Yeah three play six and four places five? Okay, three
six and four passe five So the lowest yeah, the
lowest ranked advancer. So let's just say for arguments, take
three beat six and four beats five. Then Auckland would
play whoever the fourth place team is the lowest of
the ones who advanced to the semi finals.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Right, Okay, but if yes, okay, that makes sense, it
is somewhat confusing.

Speaker 10 (01:42:06):
It is, and I think we probably because there are
still see positions two, three, four and five are still
up in the air, as our positions and pretty six
and seven. So yeah, I mean we could go down
a very hypothetical rabbit hole. Jack, I reckon we wait till.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
There. I think there might be a bit more sensible.

Speaker 10 (01:42:26):
How do you feel about the Chiefs, Gaines, I'm feeling
excited about it. We've had a terrible week in Wellington
weather wise, as you've probably seen, but today has dawn's
really nice and fine, and the forecast is good for tonight.
I think it's a season of finding game for the
Hurricanes the Chiefs. Look, I think we can probably quite
safely lock them into the top six. The Hurricanes are

(01:42:47):
in a group of teams who still have some work
to do. Look, I'm really excited about some of these
matchups tonight. The Chiefs have been excellent all season. Even
without Damien McKenzie tonight and Antonin Lennart Brown, they're still
a pretty formidable rugby team and Wallace a Titi of course,
making his return last week off the benches. Off the
bench again tonight, Urricanes, though beating the Brumbies and Canberra

(01:43:09):
last weekend for the first time since twenty seventeen. They've
got a couple of good players back to Billy Proctor
and others. So look, I think you know, game of
the round for sure, looking forward to seeing how it
plays out to nice.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
What do you got for us this afternoon? Rugby League Royalty.

Speaker 10 (01:43:24):
Jonathan Thurston's on the show this afternoon, looking forward to
Jennida about the Warrior heads over here.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Oh he's here already. That's that's really on the Warriors.

Speaker 10 (01:43:33):
Are they taking notice of the Warriors on the other
side of the Tasman? I mean they're five and two,
it's their joint best ever start they take on Actually,
ironically enough, Jonathan Thurston's former team, the North Queensland Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Tonight. Yeah, magic round. So JT's on the show.

Speaker 10 (01:43:48):
Speaking of Australia, they've made a decision around Wallaby's coach.
Lea's Kiss will take the job, but not until after
next season. Super Raking finishers, so is fourteen month is
going to be enough time for lez Kiss to get
the team ready for the home World Cup Drew Mitchell
on that and after midday to day, I want to
try and unpack what's been a pretty unfortunate week for
New Zealand's National Basketball League with the Indian Panthers situation.

(01:44:13):
Where does the blame lie, if there is any blame,
and will this, perhaps, you know, deter you organizations like
New Zealand Basketball and others from innovating in the future.
I hope it doesn't. I hope they just say, look,
this one didn't work. But we're going to unpack all
that after midday as well.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Jack, nice, looking forward to it. Thank you, sir. Jason
Jen with us right after the twelve o'clock news on
News Talk ZB. We've got some Dave Dobbin for you
before then, and next up your book picks for this
weekend twenty two to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
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EDB twenty to twelve on News Talks EDB. Katherine Rains,
our book reviewer, has two pecks for us this weekend.
Two great reads. Get a Catherine, Good morning Jack. Okay,
let's begin with the Good Mistress and Tannin.

Speaker 17 (01:45:00):
So this story centers around three women and they're at
a man called War's funeral, and Juliette sort of never
planned to be Rory's mistress, but she fell in love
with him and then he died and she always thought
that he would leave his wife, and so at the funeral,
she's standing at the back and not really quite sure

(01:45:20):
where she should be. And then there's May. She's this
incredibly celebrated novelist and life looks to be really perfect
for her, except that she has this very passive, aggressive
husband and two teenage sons and her mother's ailing, and
so her success to her starts to feel really hollow,
and she doesn't quite know where she's at. And then
she has an affair and she discovers the secret and

(01:45:41):
her life starts to unravel. And then there's Erica, who's
Rory's wife, and Rory knew things about her that no
one else knew, and so she's got these questions that
she doesn't really want to know the answers to. And
the weird thing is is that she ends up being
friends with Juliette, who's not who she expected. And so
you've got these set of characters who are really messy,

(01:46:03):
who make these choices and decisions, but they're interesting and
they're quite vulnerable as well, and their secrets and misunderstandings
and how their past decisions have influenced their lives now.
And yeah, it's an interesting read, not a heart and
soul in it, interestingly.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Enough, Yeah okay, yeah, right, So that's The Good Mistress
by Antien And you've also read The Other People by C. B. Everett.

Speaker 17 (01:46:22):
So this story has some really unique characters and voices,
and it really moves quickly, so after each shep you
really want to know what's happened next. And it's quite
dark and quite twisty, and one of these sort of
locked room thrillers, a bit Agatha Christie like. So ten
people wake in this mansion surrounded by things from their homes,
and then their doors are unlocked and they go down

(01:46:43):
to the dining room and they meet other people and
they're suspicious and they're confused, and they don't know why
they're there, and they don't know how they got there,
and they don't know what they have in common. And
then they're told by this woman that a girl's been
abducted and they've got to find her in the next
twelve hours, and then they all start dying one by one,
and so everybody's a suspect, no one's safe, no one

(01:47:03):
can work out why they were chosen. And so you
get these different characters telling their stories and alternating chapters,
and so you get this really atmosphere that's quite dark
and claustrophoe because the characters move around the house and
they encounter sort of dark rooms and trap doors and
heaving corners, and it's quite strange as they encounter things
from their homes and they begin to forget life outside

(01:47:24):
the house and they lose that sort of sense of
time and reality, and as a reader you're finding that
really unsettling as well. So there's a twist at the end,
but yeah, it has that quite creepy darkness along with
him as well.

Speaker 7 (01:47:34):
It's psychological thriller.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
Yeah right, It does sound like an interesting little journey.
So that's The Other People by C. B. Everett. Catherine's
first book again was The Good Mistress by Ann Tiernan,
and we'll put both of those book titled up on
the Newstalks He'd Be website. So Dave Dobbin has announced
he is doing a one off show. We think it's
the only show he's officially ever done in Awkands town Hall,
but that maybe up for debate. Might have to get

(01:47:58):
the lawyers onto that one. Anyway, It's a one off
show in which he's going to be delving into his
some classics from a part from the past, all sorts
of different musical eras. As he comes up with the setlist.
We're going to tell you a bit more about the
show in a couple of minutes, and our music reviewer
is going to have a guest as to what he
might choose to play. It is this coming up to
quarter to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Twelve, giving you the inside scoop on all you need
to Know Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and bpuwre dot
co dots for high quality supplements, use talks.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
I'd be while waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
You're waiting for mister some.

Speaker 8 (01:48:36):
Calm.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
Oh you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Know call me.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
You don't need me to tell you who this is.
Sir Dave Down of course, has announced he's going to
be playing a one off show with his band at
All Constant Hall and just over a month is here
happening very soon actually as part of the part of
the Winter Series, and he's promising to go into his
back catalog to find out some old favorites of his

(01:49:16):
alongside all the anthems such as Loyal music of via
Stelle Clifford is here with us this morning. Hey is
Stelle embracing the Dave Rave?

Speaker 13 (01:49:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:49:26):
Oh I love that. Yeah, no, I know it is great.
It's fantastic news.

Speaker 20 (01:49:31):
As and I'm like, he's called it selected songs for
this gig and I'm like, how yeah, you even go
through his catalog.

Speaker 21 (01:49:39):
But if Loyal isn't on there, I mean that's an
absolute crowd pleaser.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
I feel like it's going to be on there. I
feel like it might be on therell. I think he's
going to mix things up, right, He's going to do
the back catalog stuff, but as well as some of
the anthems, yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:49:50):
Yeah, and and town Hall. He's never played in the
town hall before. It is also the thing where you're like,
he's played outside it, yeah, helps stir.

Speaker 21 (01:49:57):
Up riots and it's true being inside.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
So yeah, yeah, well yeah, there has there has been
some debate this morning, so so one of our listeners
wereecons that Dave might have played a song there as
part of like the the Orkan City Mission and knowing
only five or something like that. Anyway, I'm sure they've
been inside the building before. It's not like he's been banished.
But anyway, yeah, yes, yeah, So.

Speaker 20 (01:50:20):
Loyal comes off his So that was released in eighty eight.
That was off the album of the same name, Loyal,
which was actually his debut solo album, even though he'd
been in music for over a decade by that stage.
Because remember the back catalog that kind of is his,
but also some other people's as Originally he was.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
In the Dudes, Yeah, of course, and then he was yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:50:41):
Yeah, and then some of those songs are quite still
synonymous with him, I think, you know, because he's then
performed them as a solo artist. So he had a
huge bit head log before it even started doing his
own material. But Love You Like I Should was on
that Loyal album, Oh yeah, duge, and those were the
ones that were really getting him on the music charts too,
So Slice a Heaven of course, from a Dog's Tail,

(01:51:04):
Foot Rot Flats, those were like in the charts for weeks.

Speaker 21 (01:51:08):
And weeks and weeks weeks.

Speaker 20 (01:51:09):
He was one of those artists where he had three
top ten songs on the New Zealand Charts Wow for
a period of time in the late eighties, so he
was kind of like everywhere a is doing his own thing.
I went on a real I went back onto one
of my absolute favorite album albums of his, which is Twist.

Speaker 21 (01:51:27):
Okay, so that was like mid nineties.

Speaker 20 (01:51:30):
He actually wrote some of those songs alongside Neil Finn. Yes,
and I'm pretty sure he's mentioned it a few times
before that. That was a real good game changer for
him and helping make what that album was. Yeah right,
I'm just gonna put it out there that I actually,
now that I've re listened to Twist, I actually think
that's one of my all time favorite albums. Really, like

(01:51:51):
not just Dave doncon In albums, just such a great album.
Emma Puckey was one of the guest vocalists on that.
She did heaps of the harmonies for him, and she's
just their voices just go together so beautifully. But I
think his voice was.

Speaker 21 (01:52:08):
Really good on that. Yeah. Yeah, his writing and his
lyrics are just so good.

Speaker 20 (01:52:13):
Naked Flame dawned on me and then this one, which
everybody knows language.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Oh yeah, good fine, I'll just played this for a
little bit just yea.

Speaker 18 (01:52:26):
When I needed I couldn't same time.

Speaker 21 (01:52:37):
So it's a classic.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
It is such a classic. It's called a moving song
that day, and.

Speaker 20 (01:52:42):
That whole album is if you if you sit with that,
like if you want an album this weekend to really
just blast loud and sit with the lyrics, is a
fantastic album for that any Crimer of course a diversion.
He then did that tour like a year or so later,
maybe it was a couple of years later where he
had Bitgronger and Tim Fern on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Do you know that was my first even live show?

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
It was yep, together in concert live was my first
even live show. I was thirteen. Yeah, I think I
got tickets for my birthday. I think my parents have
got me tickets for my birthday. Went with my dad. Yeah,
they're like.

Speaker 21 (01:53:14):
Jeah, you need to play guitar and on your skills.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 20 (01:53:20):
So, I mean even just colabs like there and then
the albums that have come out from him, This is
a huge catalog for him to go back into and
just so.

Speaker 21 (01:53:28):
Many that actually when you hear again, like they.

Speaker 20 (01:53:30):
Might not be the ones that got the main mainstream
play but there's those songs that you're like, that's right,
because you can sit with the whole album of Dave's
quite easily, you know, I just really enjoy it. And
then people have taken and done their own versions of
those albums. So yeah, I can't even imagine how he's
putting the set list together, but I think it's Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:53:48):
Also on the album.

Speaker 20 (01:53:49):
Welcome Home, I mean, oh yeah, album on the on
the tour surely has to be the show.

Speaker 21 (01:53:55):
He might do it in the Mary yeah stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 21 (01:54:00):
Might do that as well.

Speaker 20 (01:54:00):
If you want to jump forward it, I need to
have some twist stuff. I need to have some foot
rot flats music.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
P Yeah. Yeah, I think that'll be there. I feel
of courtiously optimistic. You'll be satisfied in there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:54:11):
Pre sales right now, so Live Nation pre sales are
on until Monday and then around eleven am on Monday
mornings when general ticket sales go on. I know this
CenTra because it's on the Auckland Town Hall. But it
is worth catching up with your best daies in.

Speaker 21 (01:54:24):
Auckland for sure. A weekend, yeah, make this.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Your not a weekend. It's a midweek concert, I think, right.
Some of it. It's on the Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's curious Wednesday, Yeah, Friday. Okay, So tickets general tickets
are so pre sales are now Monday tickets going south
for everyone. And it's for June fourth, which is a Wednesday.
It is definitely going to sell out. Yeah yeah, yeah,
you'd be lucky if they're ey tickets left by Monday.

(01:54:49):
I reckon, Hey, thank you so much to stell you
get a rigg along and yeah, I think I think
if he's struggling to whittle down the list, then maybe
he can employ you for your advice on that front,
because I reckon, you get the blend just right. Steale Clifford,
our music reviewer, will pick out a good Day song
and play it for you in a couple of minutes
as we continue the Dave Dobbin Rave This Morning seven

(01:55:09):
to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
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Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Oh that is us for our time together this Saturday morning.
Thank you very much for all of your text and
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going to be with you this afternoon for weekend sport.
You're counting down to that very exciting Cain's Chiefs match
this evening. Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby for doing

(01:55:41):
everything difficult for me this morning, holding my hand, guiding
us through morning together as she always does. Newstalks EDB
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For now, though, we are going to leave you with
Sir Dave Dobbin ahead of his concert at the Auckland
Town Hall next month. This well, I reckon, This might

(01:56:03):
just make the cut. You ought to be in love.

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