Full Show Podcast: 06 September 2025

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I'm Jack Tame with you through the midday today, Big day,
Big day, Big day, Big day, I reckon. It only
happens a couple of times a year. Actually, you know
that feeling when you wake up on the morning of
a really seriously big Test match and you think, off,
for goodness sake, how am I going to get through
the next twelve or thirteen hours as I wait for kickoff?

(01:05):
My goodness, this is a big one, the biggest one
I reckon of twenty twenty five ar theis one hundredth
the All Blacks spring Box Eden Parks and I cannot
wait for that. We'll get our Sporto's thoughts on it
very soon before ten o'clock this morning. If you are
not yet sorted for this time tomorrow, you've just thought, oh,
my goodness, it's Father's Day. I need to get organized.
We have a fantastic little option a Father's Day tray

(01:30):
bake recipe it's really simple, really delicious. Basically, you toss
everything together, chuck it in the oven. Your dad will
be delighted. So we're going to share that with you
very shortly. Right now, it is eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Jack Team.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
You know how, when you're young, you sort of can't
imagine a point in your life when you're living with
physical limitations. You know, like, I mean, sure, maybe you're
not as strong as you'd like to be, maybe you're
not quite as quick or fit as some of your mates,
But for me, at least, the thought of a relatively

(02:04):
straightforward physical act being too difficult or too painful just
never crossed my mind. You sort of you know how,
when you're young, you sort of take health and dexterity
and mobility, general kind of limberness. You just take it
for granted, right. I remember as a kid, dad getting

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home from his football games. He would limp through the
front door. He would strap ice packs to both of
his knees and kind of splay himself out on the couch,
still in his grubby kit. And when you're a kid,
you can see that your dad's in pain, right, you
can rationalize that, but you never pause to wonder if
that might happen to you one day too. A couple

(02:48):
of years ago, I couldn't get past this. It's kind
of sharp pain in my left hip. I thought at
first that I'd pulled a muscle, and I went to
the physio for what was the first time in my life,
but a series of scans moved me quickly up the
food chain phizsio to I brought doctor to surgeon. One

(03:08):
of the specialists said I had the hip of someone
in their sixties, and it was probably only a matter
of time before I'd have to get a new one.
In the meantime, the best advice they could give me
was don't do stuff that hurts. Truthfully, I found that
harder than it sounds. Although I haven't played a single
game of squash in at least a couple of years now,

(03:30):
a weekly game of very average social football has been
the most consistent social activity in my life. And you
know what they say about men and how men just
have to be doing stuff together, Well, honestly, guilty is charged.
I don't want to just sit around and talk about stuff,
talk about my feelings. I want to be kicking something.

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I want to be kicking a ball and I'm convinced
there is something about physically competing, albeit in a lowly
social league, that does an awful lot of good for
the top few inches. What it doesn't do is much
good for my hip. I turn like a waning container
ship at the best of times, but the short twitch

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reactions required in midfield have not been aided by my
swiftly decaying cartilage. I picture it rotting away like a
paper bag and a puddle. Halfway through last year, I
started proactively taking painkillers before and after games. Sometimes I
struggle to walk normally for days afterwards. And look, I

(04:35):
know this isn't good, right. I know that I shouldn't play.
I know rationally that constantly agitating and inflaming the same
injury is going to cause me more problems down the track.
And if sometime in the future I can't tramp or
ride my bike or sleep without feeling pain, I'll be
furious with myself.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Quitting football has felt like a threshold. I've never had
an injury that didn't improve in my life. I've never
not been able to play something before, and then last
week I faced a reckoning. I visited a primary school
and the kids encouraged me to sit with them on
the mat and pose for a photo. It was all

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like totally innocent enough, and you know how these things go.
You're sort of crossing your legs and sitting on the mat. Well,
it's usually the kind of thing that you give zero
notice to. You don't think about it until one day
you can't do it. Honestly, it was agony. I kind
of folded myself down as best I could, and yet
in the photo I don't even get halfway to the ground.

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My butt is on the ground, but my knees are
up at nipple height. I look like a capital X.
When I finished at the school, there was a text
waiting on my phone, who's in for football next season?
And most of the guys quickly replied, yep, ken yep, yep, yep,
I'm in two. When you're young, most of us don't

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imagine a point in life living with physical limitations. We
never asked when Dad started wincing as he reached for
his shoelaces. We didn't question why Grandma shuffles so much.
And then one day it begins. One day it starts.
You have to start saying no. Team ninety two ninety

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might know the name, you'll certainly know the face. He
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(06:47):
shift in his life, a massive career change. I'm not
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you a bit more very shortly, but he's going to
be with us after ten this morning. Next up, though,
Kevin Melne is back from his European sojorn. He's going
to kick us off for our Saturday Morning together right now.
It's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday
morning and this is Newstalk ZEDV.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
No better way to kick off your weekend then with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk ZAIDB.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
Hey, thank you for.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Your messages, Hayden swiping me. You note to say, Jack
totally agree with your opening comments. It is indeed a big, big,
big day, Rugby wise, massive day, massive game stags defending
the shield of course, and then I suppose once we
got through that the allbexes on afterwards, so that might
be worth a watch too. Thank you, Hayden Vo d
roll Jack, you give be the water boy for your
footy team until you get a hip replacement. Jack. Welcome

(07:41):
to our world US older people, lol, says Shane Jack.
I just had my hip replaced week five on one cutch.
Now get in there, says car who get it done. Honestly,
you will be a new man. Thank you for your messages.
I'm going to get to more of those in a
few minutes. Ninety two ninety two. What isn't the problem
with hips? Now that you know they've always said with
the hip replacement that like, oh, it's still going to

(08:01):
deteriorate and then you'll need another hip replacement. You can
only have a certain number of hip replacements.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
See.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
My problem is that I can walk in a straight line,
and I can jog in a straight line without any issue.
The problem is as soon as my hip starts doing
hippie things and going, you know, my leg goes off
to the side a bit or I changed direction quickly,
which is required in most sports. That's when I have
lots of problems. So anyway, please send in all of
your medical advice. It's greatly appreciated. Seventeen past nine, Kevin

(08:27):
Milne is back from his time in the UK and
with us this morning. Great to have you back, Kevin,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
Jack.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
I had a great time, absolutely superb time, well looked
after by our two boys who who took quite a
lot of time off work and their aim was to
keep mum and Dad happy and amused, and they certainly
did that.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Well.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
London is a city for that. It is a fantastic city,
isn't it. You feel it was one of those few
cities where you do feel like you're sort of in
the center of the world, you know, as a undernew
your power situation.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
Right, yep, yeah, it'd be my favorite big city in
the world. And we didn't actually do much on the
center of the set.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
You know.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
But we were at Shoreditch Way in the Old East End,
which is where my wife came from, and and that's
all flashed up now of course, and it's got terrific
restaurants and bars and stuff.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
We had a great time.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
But then I come back Jack to see that you've
gone into the advertising business, assume that you've seen that
you've been hoodwinked by the IP.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I have it. Sadly, it's not for the first time,
so yes, if you have, you happen to have seen
a video of me speaking with Christopher Luxen and both
of us speaking with very funny accents. I sort of
sound Cockney, which was interesting.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Well, I thought I thought more of the Actually.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's sort of not any one accent.
It's obviously a bit of a blend. But together we're
sort of shilling for some investment scheme. Please, it's a scam.
Don't give away any credit card details, don't give away
any money. It's not the first time, though, Kevin, I've
had the same thing before. Sadly, it's just like these yeah, yeah, yeah,
But Kevin, while you're in the UK, you went to

(10:09):
a Premier League football game, which would have been a thrill,
but it wasn't the football that ultimately provided the excitement.

Speaker 8 (10:15):
No, When Lindon and I were in London, our two sons,
Alex and Jake, took us to a Premier League football
derby west Ham versus Chelsea. The game was barely underway
when a loud mouth and the row behind us started
shouting abuse at some of the players.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
We put up with that until he started calling them faggots.
My son.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
Jake turned around and told the guy to shut up.
If he didn't, he had personally taken him by the
ear and walk him out of the ground. Jake laughed
later on say he must have got that expression from me.
He didn't know where it came from, but anyway, the
idiot kept up his homophobic sort of comments, winding Jake
up by then calling the players fairies. Jake again told

(10:58):
him to shut up. This time he stood up and
addressed the guy. The guy claimed there was nothing wrong
with the same fairies. Jake said, you know, exis exactly
what's wrong, and if you want to settle it, let's
go outside, or we can settle it right.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Here if you like.

Speaker 8 (11:13):
He he was magnificent Jack, he says his father. A
bit of context, Jake's brother, Alex, who was with us,
is gay, and Jake wasn't going to let this idiot
ruin his brother's knight. Meantime, Alex said head off down
the steps to talk to security. By this stage, people
around us more answered and Jake taking on this guy

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than the football itself. I was impressed that the vocal
support he got. Jake runs a bar in London. He's
a big, strong guy and he's experienced at dealing with trouble.
Next minute, Alex returns, followed by two large security guards.
They took the guy out. We never saw him again.
We were alieve Jake didn't have to deal with the

(11:55):
guy personally. But my heart swelled to see one son
standing up and supporting the other and the gay community
in general.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
In fact, I've seldom felt more proud of them. My boys.

Speaker 8 (12:07):
They're at that game. West Ham lost five to one,
but none of us cared. We dropped them to a
nearby Italian restaurant, poured out the wine and celebrated.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Family.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Oh that's so so special. Given to see your son
stand up for your other son like that, What an
amazing thing, and what a relief that things didn't descend
into fifty cuffs, you know that would have that word
for the thing that the day for everyone. But to
see the guy dealt to by security, I think is
you know, it's a great outcome, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
It is great?

Speaker 8 (12:38):
And they actually put out a warning before the games
over there. You probably have heard this where people have
told any of those sort of slurs, whether they be
racial or or against the LGBT community, people will be
removed from the ground and will not get in again.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
It worked pretty damn well the other night. They didn't
want to discuss it with them. As they got up there,
they told the guy come out with us, we'll talk
about it outside the ground.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
In the moment they bring them outlet they see you later. Yeah, yes, yeah, good,
I'm really pleased to hear that. Sorry about wist Ham though.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:21):
One of the things that amuses me about four crowds
is when you decide that's getting beaten, people just get
up and go.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
And there was a huge crowd.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
At the Italian.

Speaker 8 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah there was actually yeah, yeah, no,
it was.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
It was a great night out.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
But I know, you're not supposed to sort of teach
your kids to several things with their fists. But but
but Jake's a big boy, and and he has the
several things quite a lot in Yeah, and I felt
incredibly proud that he was taking such a forward leap
with regard to this dude who was an absolute prap I.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Thought you should. Kevin Hey, great to have you back.
We're really delighted to have you with us on Saturday mornings.
We'll catch you in next Kevin Meln with us this morning.
Thank you for all of your messages. Time for your
new hip, Jack, You'll be brand new, says Angelo Jack.
I heard that Hulk Hogan reckon he got through his
time in wrestling, his decades in wrestling because even when
wrestling and injured, he would train through his injury, which

(14:24):
he thought strengthened the supporting muscles even when one was
failing or had failed. He said, He's had so many
major injuries over the years that never got treated or
operator on, but he just kept on training. Crazy, yes,
but it worked for the Hulk, says Jordan. I'm glad
that you are comparing me to Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Jordan.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Clearly, clearly you haven't seen me on the football pitch,
so thank you for I'll get to more of your
feedback in a couple of minutes beforeteen o'clock. We've got
your movie picks for this week, including Ice Road Vengeance,
the latest one with Liam Neeson. So I'm going to
tell you about that very shortly next up, though, massive
weekend of sport. We'll get our sportos thoughts on the Abs,
spring Box clash.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Were getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning, It's Jack
Team on News Talks Ed.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Been awesome, sibling love, Kevin, be proud of your boys.
Great story from Kevin this morning, says Ross, thank you
for that ninety two ninety two. If you want to flick,
it's a mess. It's just coming up to nine thirty
on your Saturday morning. It's hard to know where to start.
What a weekend of sport. I'm going to start with
results though this morning. Andrew sevel is our sport. And
how about Aaron rat Lafe.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Yeah, yeah, fantastic result for her and her long time
doubles partner Gabbye Debrawski winning their second US Open title
this morning in the early hours, So yeah, fantastic for
her at the moment. Not often got the player with
New Zealand ties or strong connections win's a Grand Slam title,

(15:49):
so fantastic.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, it really is an amazing achievement at the moment.
Djokovic and al KaAZ are in their men's semi final
on center court at the US Open. And so at
the moment Alcaraz is up two sets to love, they're
in the third set. He's leading to one at the moment.
So I'll make sure I couldn't bet that year it

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could be. Yeah, we'll wait and see. Yeah, like I said,
we'll start with results. We'll leave the rugby to the end.
Are the Warriors? What a crazy game last night? Yet
another crazy game, the fastest try in NRL history, and
then of course they managed to lose, and of course
they now have to lose by one point.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
It's almost up there with the NFL player yesterday getting
kicked out of the game up six second second. Yeah, crazy,
It's been a crazy twenty four hours. Yeah. Look, the
Warriors seem to attract these weird and bizarre games, don't they.
Whenever the often playing It's golden port is something dramatic
happens like the bunker call a week ago. The fact
of the matter is I've lost to Manley. Was always

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going to be a stiffs of challenge because daily Cherry Evans,
a superstar halfback for Manley, was playing his last year
the game for the Sea Eagles, so they were well
and truly motivated. So now the Warriors will finish definitely
finished fifth or sixth and they will play either probably
the Hoosters next Saturday night in Auckland or Penrith on

(17:11):
Sunday afternoon in Auckland next weekend. So it is going
to be very very difficult for the Warriors to progress
through to the playoffs. But playing at home next weekend
they've got a chance.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Well and if anyone was going to pull it off, right.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
And I can bet your bottom you can bet your
bottom dollar, Jake will be something weird happened on the game.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
This is the thing. The Warriors are the Donald Trump
of New Zealand sport.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Like.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
The one thing you need to know is that you
should never make any predictions and that that's why.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
People keep coming that year after year. There is never
a dull moment of.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Course, of course, right, A massive game, massive game at
Eden Park tonight. Yeah, well this is You're not the
only one. We've had several Texan of faithful Stags fans
excited about the Shield challenge today. Do you want to
start off with that?

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Shall we start a fantastic day? This is what raanfy
Shield rugby is about, right, and the cargo will go
off today, there'll be a lot of buzz around the town,
a lot of buzz around the province. I'd imagine it'll
the ground at Rugby Park and then Viicago will sell
out close to it. There were great scenes there when
they played Otigo earlier in the season, so i'd imagine

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given it to a shield defense, the fans, the loyal
Southlanders will turn up and drive so that that's what
shield Rugby's about. And they've got a really stiff defense
first up against Canterbury who leave the NPC and they're
playing like the Canterbury team of old. So intriguing afternoon
aheading there then to eaton Park.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
To eaton Park art these hundredth the spring Box at
Eden Park. I bumped into you the hall, yes sir,
and I said, sav what do you think is going
to happen?

Speaker 5 (18:48):
He said, oh, mate, I think I've been asked in
the last twenty four to forty eight hours, I've been
asked one hundred times what's going to happen? And I
think I've changed my mind every single time, talking to whoever,
talking to people on the sideline at the Captain's Run
yesterday with the spring Box and the All Blacks around
town in the office. It is just a very very
hard game to play. I mean, look at the different strands,

(19:09):
the different angles. There's the thirty one year I'm beaten
record in Eton Park, the fifty test matches that the
All Blacks have one in a row. There Ardie Savvy
is one hundred. Then isn't it fantastic to celebrate Savi,
who's a fantastic player with a test match against South
Africa and his mate Sea Caleisi on Eden Park. It
doesn't get You couldn't write a better script, right, doesn't

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get much better than that. And then on the flip side,
you've you've got the spring Box who they've only there's
only two players in the spring Box squad playing tonight
who've played a test match on Eden Park. It's Sabeth
and Kalisi. There's a lot of guys in that South
African team. This may be their only chance it's beat
the All Backs on Eden Park because they in the
years to come, the South Africans won't be coming here

(19:53):
as much, and if they do, they might not play
in on Eden Park. So that's another strand you've got.
And then you look at the game and within the game,
the South Africans haven't been entirely convincing. You know, lost
to the Wallabies for goodness sake, that was park. The
All Blacks lost in their last outing to Argentina. So
both teams need to click. If the All Blacks click jack,

(20:15):
which I'd like to think will happen tonight because they
have to, they will win the game. But there's so
many other variables. How much will the spring Box kick.
Going to their trainings during the week, they were kicking
a lot, but maybe maybe that's a bit of a
razzie erasmus ruse. Maybe they will try to run the ball.
If they do, then that's when the All Black's eyes
should light up, because in broken play the All Blacks

(20:37):
will will get the better of them.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, it's going to be a fascinating contest. And then,
of course, in a couple of days time, Tuesday night,
we have the second leg of the soccer ashes. I
honestly thought, speaking of history being made, I thought last
night that maybe, yeah, they look really good like two
us of the game.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
They look excellent, which is promising after the return league here.
Hopefully the weather is better on Tuesday than it is
now in Auckland. That's another matter for the night. But yeah, no,
this team is really should given they've got more friendlies
later in the year. This should this team should really

(21:14):
be in top notch condition and combinations by the World
Cup next year. You know they they could go there
in surprise a little bit. And there's no doubt about it.
With more of the all Whites players playing in these
different professional leagues around the world, that team will get better.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I just I just feel like for most of my life,
the way that the Whites and New Zealand football teams
have had to play is with five defenders at the back,
all of them, all of them exactly. You know, they
could be they could be you know, bouncers in a
heavy nightclub or something, or you know, members of the
Hell's Angels or something, and they booted up the field

(21:50):
and hope for the best. And for the first time
ever we have these kind of creative midfielders. You are
technically quite gifted and it's just it's really exciting to
see for the New Zealand football So hope.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
Players waited out like so well yeah, well, crossing and
strike like Chris Ward and others who have a real
the real scent of goal. No it's year. Things have
changed definitely.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
All right, Hey, enjoy this evening. We'll be thinking of you.
On the sideline Andrew Savilasporto this morning, Don't Forget a Course.
Live commentary with Elliott Smith, Steve Gordon, Jason Pine of
The Allbacks. Versus South Africa is on News Talk ZEDB
gold Sport and iHeartRadio tonight. Tune in at seven o'clock.
Kickoff at five past seven, twenty six to ten. We're
talking movies next. Versus Charlie XCX. She's a huge star.

(22:53):
She wrote this song for the Barbie movie, but it's
since kind of taken on a deeper soiree into the
world of film. So this week it was announced that
Charlie x X is doing the soundtrack for the new
Wuthering Heights adaptation starring Margot Robbie and Jacober Lordie. Oh
my goodness, I watched the trailer for that. Wowser's there's nothing,

(23:14):
there's nothing kind of super explicit. It's just very suggestive,
would be my. There's a lot of like there's a
lot of sound, like a lot of like quick breath
and like you know that sort of thing. Yeah, anyway,
I won't go into too much detail anyway. Charlie XX
has also made her on screen debut at the Toronto
Film Festival in a film called Eruptzia. We've got a

(23:37):
pretty good reaction for a pop star turned actress. And
good thing too, because she has already shot roles in
six other features. So no doubt we're going to be
reviewing some Charlie XCX sometime soon twenty two to ten
on news Storks. He'd be time to catch up with
that film reviewer Francisca rud Can. Have you seen that trailer, Francisca, let's.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
Just call it.

Speaker 10 (23:54):
It's been described as soft porn.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Do you think I think that's a bit unfair.

Speaker 9 (23:59):
I think okay, it's been described as it's been described
as kind of fifty shades of gray.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yes, you know, there's a lot of sort of Yeah,
it's very suggestive, would be my right.

Speaker 10 (24:12):
Look.

Speaker 9 (24:13):
I love Mago Robbie and I love Jacob Alordie. I
think they're absolutely fabulous. I understand that people, and I
love Emerald phil I think she.

Speaker 10 (24:22):
Does brilliant films.

Speaker 9 (24:23):
There is an issue around the changes that she's made
to Bronte's novel. I think if you're a huge Bronte fan,
then you are going to have issue with some of
the choices of casting. But hey, why not stat the
hype now?

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Well, you know, anyone's talking about it. Maybe and maybe
if you're not a huge Bronte fan, then this could
be the film for you, you know, yeah, exactly. I
can't wait with you. Yeah, anyway, anyway, I did, yeah, yeah,
I may have stumbled across that trailer something out Anyway,
two different films to talk about this morning. These ones
are actually out at the moment. I don't think Wuthering
Heights comes out until next year. So let's start off
with the film showing in cinemas at the moment. This

(24:59):
is the Roses.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Do you do I do anything I do?

Speaker 11 (25:05):
You believe that's true?

Speaker 10 (25:10):
Everybody seems to see we hate each other.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I suppose sometimes I do hate you. Yep, we are done.

Speaker 12 (25:19):
Say well, we're done.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I just want the house.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Okay, that's the Roses. Couple of big names, Olivia Coleman
and Benetdicte Gumberbatch starring in this.

Speaker 10 (25:27):
One together, and that is the main reason you should
go and see this film.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
But absolutely, I mean I just love this too, you know,
I watch them, you know, read a phone book. This
is based on the nineteen eighty one novel The War
of the Roses by Warren Adler. If you're a certain age,
you will remember Danny DeVito directed an adaptation of the
starring Kathleen.

Speaker 10 (25:46):
Turner and Michael Douglas.

Speaker 9 (25:49):
At the heart of this film, there is a story
about a couple who are madly in love and then
life doesn't go so well and I don't cope with
it very well as a couple, and then they grow
to despise each other and they had this full on,
all out crazy war. And this film has been brought
into the current day. Benetet cover back to and Olivia
Coleman star as THEO and Ivy, and they are both

(26:12):
very committed to their roles and they're very funny and
they're very good at it.

Speaker 10 (26:15):
But there's there's this moment at.

Speaker 9 (26:16):
The beginning where they flash back and they show you
they're meat cute.

Speaker 10 (26:19):
You know, how they met and.

Speaker 9 (26:22):
She's a chef in a hotel restaurant and he's a
guest and he stumbles into the kitchen and literally thirty
seconds later they're having sex in me in the fridge
in the freezer, and I'm like, I'm sorry, but I
don't think Olivia Coleman and Bennett comb back to act
like that.

Speaker 10 (26:41):
And so from the very fig I just had a
little moment they're kind of going, oh, it's a bit
of a stretch garden.

Speaker 9 (26:46):
I'm not sure I believe that, and the problem with that,
and I think that that is a little bit of
a problem with this film. Yes, I think that there
was a point where they love each other. Yes they
go to despise each other, but there's too long before
we get to the really crazy, all out war part
of this film, which is which is kind of what
we know the story for.

Speaker 10 (27:05):
Really, we spend most of the film.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Watching two people whose lives do change, and we watch them,
we follow them through a decade of dysfunction as they
allow resentment and anger and guilt and success and failure
to become between them. And it's a very slow and
toxic decline.

Speaker 10 (27:19):
And I think they did that because they.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
Were a bit worried about them going each other too much,
and then they tried to pull it back, and they're
sort of saying to us, hey, look, they hate each other,
but their love brings them back together. But actually even
their children.

Speaker 10 (27:31):
In this film are looking at them going please separate.
So I'm not so sure.

Speaker 9 (27:35):
It kind of convinced me of the same premise that
they loved each other and then they despise each other.

Speaker 10 (27:41):
I just yeah, And.

Speaker 9 (27:42):
Look, it really depends on whether it's a different kind
of escape from It really does depend on whether you're
in the mood to sit and watch a couple destroy
each other. Look, there are some amazing observations about relationships.
They are on the money about a lot of that,
and there's some great other coasts. Andy Samberg, Kate McKennon,
Elis and Janie is completely underused. She has this one

(28:03):
scene which she completely steals. Would have loved to have
seen more her. It felt like it was really edgy
and it had a good edge, but then they kind
of presented it to us as a glossy rom com
and it didn't quite work.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Okay, all right, So that is The Roses with Olivia
Coleman and Bennett Cumberbats. Next up streaming on Prime Video,
This is Ice Road Vengeance.

Speaker 8 (28:25):
Welcome aboard, Welcome my board, Mount Everest.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Here we come, keep driving.

Speaker 13 (28:38):
Kidnappers in Nepal, don't leave Witnessing.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Okay, that's Ice Road Vengeance starring Liam Neeson. Something about
Liam Neeson that I've started to notice, and I'm not
sure if this has ever come across your mind, Francesca,
is that he needs to star. Are a lot of
films in which someone is getting kidnapped or taken and
he needs to fight and kill people. That's just a
little bit, you know, you just I don't want to
call me a centophile.

Speaker 9 (29:03):
Yeah, he has done very well sort of creating this
new career for him, made mife. But look, we talk
about we talk about women who are you know, of
a certain age once upon a time. He brover a
forty Hollywood and want to pay attention to you, and
we see women in Hollywood have managed to create careers
and interesting characters and have this and so this is
sort of essentially what William's done as well. Unfortunately doesn't

(29:27):
quite pull it off in this film. And it's not
his fault. This film just does not have the money
to make it work. It's you might have seen the
original Ice Rod It was released I think twenty twenty one.
He plays Mike McCann. He is a truck driver. He
goes on this dangerous mission over frozen lakes that we're

(29:48):
trying to save some miners trapped in the mine. And look,
actually it was okay, it was quite good escapeism, and
the idea for this on paper isn't too bad.

Speaker 10 (29:56):
His brother has passed away. He really wants Mike to
scatter his actions at Mount.

Speaker 9 (29:59):
Everest, so off he heads to do that. He ends
up on this bus called the key We Express, where
the driver goes cured it and then spends the the
rest of the film talking in Australian slang, which at
that point I went, oh, okay, we've got a problem here.
And then there's a young man on the bus who
is kidnapped because there's a corporate that wants to build

(30:20):
a dam in his village, but his family is holding out,
and all of a sudden, it always strangers, for some reason,
desired to get behind this young man and go off
on this mission to try and save him and his
family's land and things.

Speaker 10 (30:32):
It just none of it really made sense. You don't
know why they're doing. The driving's great, like the driving.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
I don't know whether they use cables in Nepal to
allow vehicles to travel down icy roads, or whether they
use cranes to get them across. Gorgeous, but the driving
was great, but all the special effects are so bad. Look,
I was trying to find a really fun film that
you could sit and watch with dad, you know this,
you know, maybe tomorrow afternoon or anything on thurs Day,

(30:59):
And unless your dad has really bad taste in films,
it's probably isn't gonna fly. But you know, I do
love Lamblison, and I what I'd give it a whirl,
and it's kind of I actually sort of found it
highly entertaining for how bad it were.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, nice going. Okay, there you go, right, that'll be
a special one for dead then, thank you, Francesca. We
appreciate it. So that is Ice Road Vengeance. That's the
one starring Liamnis and that's on Prime Video. The one
with Olivia Coleman and Bennett Kumberbatches in cinemas now, that's
called The Roses. We'll have details for both of those
films up on the News Talks. He'd be website after

(31:34):
ten o'clock our feature interview Richard Armitage, star of The Hobbit,
star of Spook, star of heaps of TV shows. It's
going to be with us he's got a brand new
career as one of those velvety voices on audible podcasts
and audible audio books. And the reason we're speaking to
Richard is he's not just an incredible voice, he's now
an author. He's writing a special sort of book for Audible,

(31:56):
which they're now publishing as audiobooks. I'm gonna tell you
a bit more very shortly right now, though it is
fourteen to ten. Our cook is a next on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
He'd be Saturday morning with Jack t keeping the conversation
going through the weekend the News Talk.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Sa'd be thank you for your feedback. We've had so
many messages this how I've done a terrible job, a
dreadful job of getting to them. Jack loved the story
with Kevin this morning. A real proud dad moment.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
I had my right hip replaced four weeks ago. I
get my left hip replaced in seven weeks time. It's
life changing and pretty easy compared to a knee replacement,
something that I've had as well. We're thinking about, says Jason.
Thank you, Jason. Everyone does say that a hip is
better than an it's better, it's easier to have a hip,
replacement than a knee. I don't think either is necessarily easy,

(32:39):
but everyone says that for whatever reason, a hip is
easier than a knee. I think my problem is that
I'm sort of in the gray area, like I can't
comfortably play sport, like it caused me a lot of
pain and I'm hobbling for days afterwards. But I can
still jog in a straight line. So anyway, thank you
for that. Ninety two ninety two if you want to
send us a message, just so you know. In the tennis,

(32:59):
Carlos al Karez has defeated Novak Djokovic in three sets
in the US Open, that men's semi final. On news talks,
he'd be Nicky Wicks. Our cook is here with a
delicious sounding recipe. Such an easy recipe for Father's Day
for us this week, Niki.

Speaker 14 (33:14):
Yes, it absolutely is. And I do concur about the
body aches and pains. I want to replace them body.
This week I've had the.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Flu oh no, oh, I have felt.

Speaker 14 (33:26):
Like I'm ninety three. I can't tell ye, it's unbelievable.
So yeah, but there you go. There's a certain grief
when you realize your body is only feeling in one way,
But you know, learn to love it. Learn to love it,
not the pain. I think, get whatever you need to
do replaced as quickly as you can. That's my doctorly advice.
Father's tray bake. Yeah, I mean, in the past for

(33:46):
Father's Day, we've talked about mince on toast, which I love,
the bunkwheat pancakes filled with ham and cheese, which I
also love, homemade baked beans. But this tray bake I
reckon is one that almost anybody can cook from age
seven upwards. It's also great if you forgot that it
was Father's Day tomorrow and you haven't got much in
the pantry because basically we're using potatoes and onions and

(34:08):
making this gorge and eggs and we're making this lovely
tray bake. I love it because it means you can
really personalize actually your dad's taste. We're making a beautiful, beautiful,
big tray of crunchy potatoes with onion in there, some
curry powder in there, et cetera. And this is what
you do. Chuck your rathern on two hundred degrees celsius.

(34:28):
You want to par boil, which means boiling potatoes until
they you could stick a knife into them, but it
would sort of not fall off the knife.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yes, you know it's yeah.

Speaker 14 (34:42):
Exactly, well salted bought well salted water for potatoes, and
I like to use Agria for this jack. All those
lovely little pearlas are good as well. Those little boxes
of pearlas about five hundred grams you want for this,
it's going to serve about four of you when they're
cool enough to handle. Slice them thickly if you've used
kind of heart, if you've harved big agria or whatever,

(35:03):
or just crush them roughly, and I use the bottom
of a co feed up or even a masher. You
want to sort of crush them down, because we want
lots of surface area, because we're going to put a
beautiful big splash of olive oil all over these on
a big tray in a single layer, lots of salt
and pepper on them, and a teaspoon of curry powder
as well, which just I think it's because I love

(35:24):
keyguri for breakfast, so I sort of wanted that curry
thing or sort of mother in law eggs, that kind
of thing, you know, So spread them out, cut up
an onion, slice that nice and thinly because you want
this to roast up as well. Tumble, yes, all of
your potatoes net into that roasting dish and bake them
off for about twenty minutes or until they're really crispy.
You really want them crispy, and potatoes can take a

(35:47):
while to get there, so it just depends, really, it
depends so much sugar they've got in them. Once they
do start to look like they're cooked, Jack, you want
to make some little gaps in the potatoes, just push
them aside. So, yes, line your trate.

Speaker 10 (36:00):
You line your tray.

Speaker 14 (36:00):
I should have said that at the beginning. And then
you break some eggs. Let's say you're serving four people,
use four eggs, break the egg into the gaps. You
can break the yolks if you want, if you want
them a little bit more cooked, if you don't, bake
them for about ten minutes or until them they sort
of cooked them and you like them, and then serve
them alongside some bacon, maybe some chilizo sausage, maybe some

(36:21):
flaked smoked fish, maybe just chopped up avocado and a
decent amount of say, fresh coriander. If that's what dad's into. Good,
shut me, lovely, parsley and it's just great. You just
have big scoopfuls of this on a plate, you'd just
be you know. I think they would make a dad happy,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
I think this sounds fantastic. I reckon a little bit
of fresh parmeso just for the umami, you know, cheeky
on top.

Speaker 10 (36:44):
I'm with you. I'm with you.

Speaker 14 (36:46):
A bit of saltiness there, DAPs of sour cream if
you want a little bit of that action or yogurt. Yeah,
this is the thing. Use it as a base and
then toss whatever else you like. In the summer, I'd
be putting salsa on it.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Maybe feah tomato, you know.

Speaker 14 (36:59):
Yeah, it's a good eat.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I love a good k bait. Yeah, no, that sounds amazing.
Thank you, Nikki. I will also note that in the
New Zealand Herald's canvas this weekend you have two other
options as well, smoked fish buns and a sausage and
egg pie. So there is no excuse for not making
a delicious little treaty breakfast for your dad for Father's
Day tomorrow. Thank you so much. That recipe for the
Father's Day Trade Bank. We'll be up at Newstalks NB

(37:22):
dot co dot NZ. Right now it's seven to ten.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
know on Saturday mornings with Jack Team News Talk V.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
If it is damp and cold and you're part of
the country and you're looking to kill a few hours
before the rugby tonight, good news. After ten o'clock on
Newstalk ZB, we've got our screen Time segment where we
recommend shows to watch or stream at home, and we're
going to tell you about this new show, The Paper.
It's made by the same creators as the US version
of The Office. A lot of hype around the show,

(37:54):
so we're going to tell you a little bit about
that after ten o'clock this morning. And remember back in
the day, like turn them back the hands of time here,
how radio plays were a big thing. Well, we're sort
of in a like back to the future kind of
situation in the world of media because with the increasing
popularity of audio books, Audible, which is the biggest kind

(38:15):
of audiobook company in the world, has realized that actually
there is a vast, vast market and interest in really
good audio stories, and it means that instead of just
getting people to read out normal novels and books. They
are deliberately writing books to be heard as audiobooks rather
than to be read with the eye if you follow

(38:38):
my drift anyway. One of the guys heading up that
effort is Richard Hermitage. He's the star of The Hobbit
and Spooks. He's been in all sorts of amazing TV
shows and now he is focusing on writing and reading
audio books. So he's our feature interview. News is next
though it's almost ten o'clock Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tamed.
This is News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Cranking.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack team
Newstalk zb.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
After a lengthy career in Hollywood and beyond as the
star of blockbusters like The Hobbit and the revered BBC
series Spooks, Richard Armitage has pivoted. The actor known for
his brooding scowl, has turned his hand to the written
word instead. Richard's second novel has just been published. It's
called The Cut, and Richard is with us this morning.

(39:49):
Kilderkoderh very good, thank you nailed the Kilda spoken like
someone who's saying for the first time in their life.

Speaker 15 (39:59):
Yeah, yeah, it is great to be speaking with you.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Thank you so much for your time. I'm going to
start with a really basic question. Can you just give
us a little bit of context you tell us about
the cap.

Speaker 15 (40:11):
So The Cut is my second novel. It was inspired
by a real conversation I had in the cemetery, and
it it's the story of a group of teenagers at
their graduation from high school. They're in celebration mode. One
of the girls tragically dies and one of her classmates

(40:34):
goes to prison. And then in the present day, a
filmmaker comes back to that village to make a found
footage horror movie. But the horror movie is not quite
what it seems, And that's me trying not to give
spoilers away.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
No, you did very well. I mean I think I
think you probably heard all of us at the moment.
You see this is inspired by a real conversation I
hate in asymmetry. Yeah, yeah, it sounds well. I mean
it does sound slightly macab, but yeah, yeah, I think
you've nailed the bell and noting and not giving too
much away. Talk to us then, about this kind of

(41:11):
process you've been on over the last couple of years,
Because obviously storytelling is in your blood. But you have
seen a bit of a professional transition of sorts.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I have.

Speaker 15 (41:21):
And it's interesting because I've worked a lot with Audible.
I've been narrating a lot of other author's incredible work
and quite a diverse range of work. And then Audible
ask me if i'd be interested in writing a crime
thriller of my own, and I immediately said yes. And
then they talked about ghost writing, and I absolutely said no, no, no,
If I'm going to write this and if I'm going

(41:43):
to narrate this, these are going to be my own words.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
And it's amazing.

Speaker 15 (41:46):
I hadn't quite realized how many kind of stories I
had plotted somewhere in my head, and stories that kind
of leap out of things like a.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Conversation in a cemetery.

Speaker 15 (41:58):
But yeah, the books are Audible audio first, so they're
written for audio, and then the print version is like
a bonus extra that I never expected.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
And so how different is the writing process for a
book that is designed to be listened to rather than
a book that is, you know, initially designed to be
read with ice.

Speaker 15 (42:19):
Well, the way I work on it is to visualize
it as a as a piece of cinema or television,
and then I write it down in as sort of
visceral way as I can, focusing on dialogue and how
it sounds rather than what it looks like. So for example,
I don't need to say he said with his Scottish accent,

(42:40):
because the man you're going to hear the Scottish accent.
So it's slightly more pared back, and I'm kind of
leaning into atmosphere and I'm working with order but at
the moment on book three, and we're trying to get
in a bit more soundscape. So it's a sort of
immersive experience at first.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
It's interesting, it's almost it sort of harks back to
the good old days of radio plays and that kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Right exactly.

Speaker 15 (43:01):
And I've I did an adaptation of Clarissa with Alison's
Stedman years ago, and I miss radio plays. I mean,
I don't think any or I mean, I guess people
don't really listen to radio plays so much anymore. But
audio books have become a massive industry.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Of course, it's a phenomenon in such a such a
pleasurable way to kind of, you know, weave a bit
more storytelling in your life into your life. So do
you think that, like, what, don't take this the wrong way? Well,
what an audible se in you when they came to
you and said, would you like to write a crime thriller?
And this is what lead to Geneva right at your

(43:41):
first book. Yeah, Like, did they know that you would
be able to pull this off? Because it's quite I
mean it's quite a yeah, it's quite a complex skill.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah. Well I didn't know I could pull it off.

Speaker 15 (43:54):
I'd never written anything longer than an essay from my
English A level, but I had written biography of character,
and you know, we did it in incrementally. So they said, look,
send us a story outline, send us to some of
your writing before they actually approved it and contracted me.
But it turns out that I do have a half
decent turn of phrase.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
And I think I've picked that up from working on.

Speaker 15 (44:18):
As I said, other audiobooks, but also screenplay, just just
you know, looking at adaptation and looking at listening to
a lot of producers and directors and editors and what
works and what doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I think I've got a bit of a toolkit now.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yeah, I mean it's funny though, with a screenplay, I
suppose when you are creating a story, and whether it's
a whether it's a showrunner or a director or a
DP or whatever, they are storyboarding and visualizing how a
story is going to look, and then they are creating
that visual whereas the process for you is that you

(44:56):
are visualizing how a story might look, but then using
only words and sound to create that image.

Speaker 15 (45:03):
Right, Yeah, I storyboard book really in my head.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
That's what the outline is. It's I mean, it's not.

Speaker 15 (45:09):
Pictures necessarily, but it's definitely the same the same process.
I mean, at the moment, I'm working on a character
who's a journalist and it's a way of sort of
unraveling the story for the listener. But there's a problem
with it at the moment because I'm bored with this
character and I had to work out is why am
I struggling to write this character? And I thought to myself, well,

(45:34):
how would you deal with this if you were an actor?
A dealing you know, trying to play this role that
is terribly tedious. And I realized that I hadn't thrown
enough obstacles in her path. And these are the things
that you pick up as an actor, Like a scene,
something has to happen in a scene in order for
it to be interesting. So yeah, I'm playing all of
those rules.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
So do you think this is a new genre of
thoughts in the stories specifically written for audio books rather
than novels that have then been read out on ere
or adapted into audio.

Speaker 15 (46:07):
I think if you ask Audible that question, they'd say absolutely,
because you know, the marketplace is very competitive. You know,
lots of people are now broadcasting audiobooks, So anything which
comes to the platform as an original is you know,
a great piece of ip. So but I'm very grateful

(46:28):
to Audible for believing in me.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
So yeah, is it? What is the process like when
you have to get into the both and record a
whole book? Is it quite a daunting experience?

Speaker 15 (46:37):
Well, in a way. They say to me, You've got
to have the finished manuscript before you start recording, and
I'm like yeah, yeah yeah, But then when I get
in there, I'm like, oh, that doesn't sound very good,
and I need to correct. There's a bit of flex,
you know, because sometimes things sound very different.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
When you actually get in there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Of course, if you're doing real time eat it sometimes.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm doing that.

Speaker 15 (47:01):
And what's lovely is listening to because you often there's
more than one reader, and listening to another reader read
your words, and realizing how skillful actors can be when
they make it sound better than it looks on the page.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Yeah, And how about the actual kind of logistics of
getting in a booth, protecting your voice to the point
that you can read out and entire novels worth of content,
and then do it again several times over in your case,
how do you find that.

Speaker 15 (47:31):
It sounds like the easiest thing in the world to
sit down in front of a microphone and read nine
and a half to ten hours of story. But actually
I think the concentration getting it absolutely correct. And I
have a problem because I'm quite a mobile person. I'm
quite physical as an actor, and so I'm constantly being
told by the sound editor in the other room, like,

(47:52):
you can't You've got to sit still, you can't jump
them down, you can't wave your arms around if there's
a fight sequence, stop punching the mic. So because I
tend to start acting it out and it's really hard
to just sit there very still and focus on the voice.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
And presumably, I mean presumably you make the little eras and
scuffs and things from time to time, and you have
to go backwards and correct things. But there must take
a lot. I mean, I'm just thinking, I'm reading my
eight year old Famous five at the moment, and I
can barely get through a paragraph without you know, confusing
you know, dick and to me or something like that.
It must it must actually take a lot of concentration.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, I do quite a lot of prep.

Speaker 15 (48:30):
I'll do a couple of passes on a book and
I'll mark it up very clearly so that you know,
you don't stumble, especially if it's really long sentences. But yeah,
you can, you can correct it and it will all
come out perfect in the end.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
How how do you feel about this form of storytelling
versus all of the on screen stuff, or versus all
the on screen stuff that you've done over the years.

Speaker 15 (48:50):
Well, I mean they're all feeding each other and what's
really amazing And I haven't quite got to the to
the realization of it yet, but both Geneva and The
Cut have been optioned for adaptations, So you know, the
dream come true would be to be on set on
the very first day of filming of Geneva or The
Cut and just think I created this story, I'm the

(49:12):
architect of this and now I'm stepping into my own universe.
So yeah, it's amazing, but it's I do have a
very vivid visual imagination, so creating the world that I'm
going to write about has always been quite easy for me,
and I thank Peter Jackson for that, if I'm honest.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yes, segue.

Speaker 15 (49:32):
Yeah, when we were working on The Hobbit and we
work on a pure green screen set, he would come
in with his amazing childlike imagination and start describing everything
that we were seeing around us, And of course I
was triggered by that, but I realized his attention to
detail is everything.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
So yeah, ah, fantastic. How do you reflect on that
experience film in the Hobbit?

Speaker 15 (49:56):
It was amazing, And you know, one of the things
I really remember is the guy and I've forgotten his name,
but the guy who sculpted the prosthetic for Thorn's face,
because we did I think they had to do about
fourteen or fifteen different sculpts, and he told me that
he had earplugs in every day and he would listen

(50:16):
to ten or eleven audiobooks a week while sculpting this face,
and that's when I thought, oh my goodness, this is
a this is a really useful tool storytelling to the
man who's sculpting Thorn's face. So I think about him
every time I sit down in front of a microphone. No,
it was a life changing experience for me. I left
my heart in New Zealand, fell in love with the place,
started looking at the possibility to live there.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Complete, Richard, We'll take you any day.

Speaker 8 (50:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I have a theory about qwi's though.

Speaker 15 (50:45):
I always think, you know, they're desperate to travel the world,
and then they they do, and they go all over
the planet and realize what they were missing, that the
world is a bit of a shithole and I'd better
go home pretty quick.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Yeah, there's there's some like t s Elliott quite or something.
The more you travel, the more you actually come to
appreciate the place you're from, I think, and that yes,
in New Zealand. Dos. Yeah. Yeah, Look, congratulations on the cut,
and thank you so much for giving us your time.
We really appreciate it. And like I say, I'm sure
we will gladly take you anytime, Richard.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I will come back in a heartbeat. Please, we can
do it face to face.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
We would love that. Thank you so much, Richard Armitage.
He is the author of the cut. We'll make sure
all the details are up on the news Talks. He'd
be website before eleven o'clock. On news Talk, he'd be
some brutally honest money advice. Our personal finance expert is
in with three top tips, and he's swearing it's going
to be brutally asked. He says, sometimes we talk too
positively when it comes to personal finance, we talk too optimistically.

(51:47):
He's not that he's necessarily talking negatively this morning. He's
just going to be frank. He's going to cut to
the chase with three really useful tips. So he's going
to be with us soon. As well as that, I
will explain why Mark Zuckerberg is suing Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah,
details on that very shortly. Next up, though, your screen
time picks for the weekend. It's ten you're with Jack Tame.

(52:07):
It's Saturday morning. This is news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
It's no on your weekend, Off the Right Way Saturday
Morning with Jackdame, News Talks B.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Jack really enjoyed watching Richard Armatis and the Hobbit. Great
to have you him on the show this morning. Thank
you for that ninety two ninety two If you want
to send us a message this morning, it is twenty
three past ten, which means it is screen time time.
Tara Ward joins us every time this week. Every week
at this time, I got there with her three shows
to watch or stream at home. She's with us now

(52:39):
killed Atara, Good morning. All three shows are on tvn
Z Plus this week. So let's begin with The Paper.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (52:48):
This is a new mockumentary sitcom that comes from Greg
Daniels and Michael Coleman, who of course made The Office US,
and so this is a spin off from the Office.
It's set in the same universe, if that makes sense.
The Office US was a documentary about the Dundlar Mifflin
Paper Company, and twenty years later, those same documentary makers
have returned to find out what happened to the people

(53:09):
who work there, and they follow a trail that leads
them to the Toledo Truth Teller, which is a once
glorious Midwestern newspaper that is now failing terribly. It shares
its office with the toilet Paper part of the business.
The toilet paper is the only thing making enough money
to keep the newspaper going. A new editor in chief
arrives to revive the newspaper with a team of volunteer reporters,

(53:32):
some of whom are more experienced at selling toilet paper
than finding breaking news. I didn't think I'd say toilet
paper so many times on the radio before.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
But here we are.

Speaker 11 (53:40):
So this is a satire about media. But if you
like The Office US, there are lots of similarities here.
Same kind of workplace comedy, same kind of awkward interactions
and quirky characters. Donald Leson stars in this. British comedian
Tim Key is in this as well. He goes full
David Brent playing a strategy manager. It's a smart and

(54:01):
warm kind of sitcom. Feels very familiar. You know, if
you have watched The Office, this will feel very familiar.
And I think it gets better as it goes on
and just becomes a bit more comfortable with itself.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
Okay, cool, So that's the paper. Next up, tell us
about in Flight.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (54:15):
This is a new British crime thriller and it's about
how far one mother will go to protect her child.
It stars Catherine Kelly, who plays a flight attendant whose
nineteen year old son is arrested and imprisoned for murder
while he's on holiday in Bulgaria. He claims he's innocent,
but we're not quite so sure, And back in the UK,
his mother, Joe, is targeted by a gang of criminals

(54:37):
who blackmail her into smuggling drugs across Europe during her
flights as a way of ensuring her son's safety in prison.
If she refuses to smuggle the drugs, he'll be killed,
and so she decides to do it with the help
of a colleague and starts to realize that a lot
of other people have been pulled into this corrupt world
as well.

Speaker 7 (54:56):
And this is a.

Speaker 11 (54:56):
Drama that pulls you, grabs you straight away from the
opening minutes and doesn't let up on the grip the
whole time, which I found to be a little bit
exhausting and a bit bleaker times. But if you like
a tense, almost claustrophobic kind of thriller that doesn't waste
any time and isn't over complicated and is quite dark,

(55:17):
I would definitely recommend this. It is far fetched, but
almost in a good way, and that you can just
kind of fall into it completely and not have to
think too hard about it.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, okay, cool. So that's in Flight and last, but
not least, Bay of Fires.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (55:32):
This is a second season of this darkly funny, quite
unusual Australian mystery drama. This stars Rachel House, Stephen Curry,
and Martin Dusseldorf, who plays this high flying Melbourne CEO
who suddenly has to drop everything and escape to Tasmania
with her children. She's trying to avoid being hunted down

(55:53):
by an organized crime cartel who's looking for her business partner,
and the police send them to this tiny Tasmanian town
called Mystery Bay under a witness protection kind of scheme.
And it's a town where the low are very suspicious
of any newcomers and it's a very much a kind
of a fish out of water situation. But there's a
lot more going on in this town than first appears.

(56:16):
And I started watching this back in twenty twenty three
when season one came out, and I wasn't sure about it.
Sometimes it doesn't quite get that balance between comedy and
drama quite right. But I kept going and started to
really enjoy it. It almost feels like a scanty noir
drama with all the forest and the mist of the
Tasmanian mountains. It's beautifully shot, but it's also got this

(56:36):
really dry, dark Australian humor in there as well, and
some mystery and crime chucked in there too. So this
is a show that won't give you all the answers
at once. It's going to keep you guessing and keep
you on your toes, so you have to have some
patience with it, but it pays off in the end.
It's over the top, but in quite an intriguing, delightful
kind of way.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah right, Okay, that sounds interesting. So that's Bay of Fires.
Tara's other shows, The Paper and In Flight. All three
of those shows are streaming on TVNZ Plus and we'll
have details on the News Talk'd be.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Website getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on News talksb.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Jill fingers crossed. Summer is going to be upon us
before we even know, although around many parts of the
country today it's going to feel a whole whole hole
long way off. Gearing up for the season, two major
festivals have announce their lineups this week. You got Homegrown
and Electric Avenue Homegrown is a bit of a Kiwi staple.
It's made its home in Wellington for the last eighteen years,

(57:54):
but of course next year it's going to be making
the move to Hamilton for the first time. And Electric
Avenue has just kind of exploded in size over the
last few years. It is now the biggest feest in
the country, surpassing the likes of Rhythm and Vines. It's
based in the O three in christ Church. It runs
over two days and the lineup announcement featured the very

(58:15):
special surprise that Split Ends are going to reunite for
an incredible, hotly anticipated performance. Seventy thousand people. You heard
that right. Seventy thousand signed up for the presale, so
no doubt there is going to be a massive crowd.
Our music reviewer Estelle Clifford is going to be in

(58:36):
perform mid day to run us through some of the
acts we can see over the summer and let us
know who she thinks are going to be most worth
the watch. Don't forget as well if you are in
Tarmiqi Makoda as in the electorate. If you are registered
to vote in the Tarmiqi Makodo electorate today is the
day of the Tarmaqi Makodo by election. I've got to

(58:56):
say it is not a great day weather wise, to
say the least. Hopefully this is going to favor the
All Backs when they run out on Eden Park this evening.
But if you are Tamaki Makoto today and you haven't
yet cast a vote, your registered to vote, today is
the day to do it if you wish to do so.
Twenty eight to eleven you're with Jactame on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
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Speaker 4 (59:58):
Twenty five to eleven on Newstalks EDB You're Jactame through
to midday today. Time to catch up with our TEXTBT
Paul Stenhouse and Paul this is very confused. But Mark Zuckerberg,
he of Facebook fame, is suing Mark Zuckerberg and would
you believe it's over problems that Mark Zuckerberg's having on Facebook.

Speaker 13 (01:00:17):
Yes, but Mark Zuckerberg is being sued by a Mark
Zuckerberg who lives in Indiana. So the one who is
suing the Facebook founder is known as Mark s Zuckerberg.
The one who runs the giant social media company is
Mark E. Zuckerberg. And Mark s Zuckerberg has been around

(01:00:39):
for significantly longer.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
In fact, he's a lawyer.

Speaker 13 (01:00:42):
And I think he said he's been practicing law since
Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook fame was just in nappies. So
what's going on, you ask, Well, you can probably guess
Mark Zuckerberg has a bit of a hard time, especially
on Facebook, because Mark Zuckerberg's account keeps being suspended and

(01:01:02):
shut down because people think he is impersonating a celebrity
aka Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of that very platform.

Speaker 7 (01:01:09):
But he is not Jack.

Speaker 13 (01:01:10):
His real name is Mark Zuckerberg, and he is a lawyer.
And this is what he says. Okay, this is a
real case. He says that when the account is suspended,
obviously it's annoying, but it's not that it's the problem.
The problem is there is a breach of contract because
at one point he had paid eleven thousand dollars for
some advertising and that was improperly taken down and I

(01:01:34):
don't think the contract was fulfilled because when they suspended
his account, it also suspended his ad account.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
You see.

Speaker 13 (01:01:42):
Ah, So apparently this has been going on quite some time.
His frustration is, you know, been mounting. And Meta now
says that it has reinstated of Mark Zuckerberg's account. It
has been disabled in error, and we appreciate mister Zuckerberg's
continued patients on this issue and are working to try
to prevent this from happening in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
I'm on Mark Zuckerberg's side with this one. Oh same here.
I don't know what you think. I mean, it would
be very interesting to see who the court favors, but
I reckon Mark exactly might come out on top. Actually
it would drive you Natze. Do you have anyone who
has how many Paul Steenhouses? Are there?

Speaker 13 (01:02:21):
Very few?

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
Actually there's do you know?

Speaker 13 (01:02:22):
There's another two Paul Steenhouses just in christ Jurse.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
Okay, so there's more.

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
It's very weird.

Speaker 13 (01:02:28):
At one point one of the Paul Steenhouses. I was
a painter and painted my parents' house. So my parents
were at a checked Paul steenhouse that I really should
have nabbed.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
That's pretty cool. Let's good. Are there any Paul Steenhouse
texperts out there or are you the only? So? So
far as I know, there are two Jack Tames that
aren't me. So there's one Jack Tame who's out like
a university lecturer in the UK, and the other Jack Tame,
confusingly is a journalist. But here's the thing, Jack Tame

(01:02:59):
the journalist. It works for the National Broadcasting Corporation of
Papua New Guinea and lives in the Western Highlands and
part for New Guinea. And I don't think I'm giving
too much away when I suggest that Jack Tame of
Papua and New Guinea looks very different to me, Like
there's no confus if we walk into a room. There's
no confusing me and Jack Tame. There might be if
you compare our work, but there is no confusing us

(01:03:20):
in person. So there you go. Funny how these things
work out.

Speaker 13 (01:03:24):
Hey, he doesn't do probably very well on the SEO?

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Does he well?

Speaker 7 (01:03:27):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
On the Search engine optimization? Matt Mate, Well maybe not.
Maybe you never know. Sometimes I get a notification on
Twitter or something like that saying oh, you know, you're trending,
and I was say, oh, okay, and I'm trending in
the western highlands of Papua New Guinea. Hey, open ai
is coming for LinkedIn.

Speaker 10 (01:03:44):
Yes.

Speaker 13 (01:03:44):
So open ai is the company behind chat GPT and
they have got a new head of Applications. So that's
this woman's job is to basically think of all these
different ways to be coming up with new things that
you can be doing with their technology. And what they're
going to be doing is creating what they're calling the
Jobs Platform, and they're going to be used AI, their

(01:04:07):
own AI to be matching employers and job seekers together. Okay,
but where they're going to start, I assume start, maybe finish,
I don't know, but where they're going to start at
least is they want to find people who have got
AI skills and they want to match those with companies
who want people with AI skills. Obviously, they're recognizing the

(01:04:29):
fact that the world is changing, jobs are changing, They're
potentially may be less entry level jobs and some jobs
may disappear. So they're also going to work on a
certifications program so that you can do these certifications show
that you're AI certified and then sort of make yourself
available for work on this job's platform. But it's really

(01:04:49):
interesting what chat GPT is going for because they you know, they're.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Not stopping no with just this with the chatbot.

Speaker 13 (01:04:57):
Kind of piece, right, They're also looking at a web browser.
They're also looking at a social media app. And the
woman who I said is the one who now runs
the applications team. She she was the former head of Facebook,
so when Facebook really large and Instagram and what's that.
She was the head of Facebook, so she knows a
thing or two about social media. So just very interesting

(01:05:20):
to see where this company's going. You know, it's interesting.
I feel kind of bad for some of these startups,
right because there are a lot of startups in the
AI space at the moment who are trying to solve
some very niche problems and then you hear something like this,
It's like, well, no, there we go open, just took lunch, Sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
About it all right, Hey, thanks Paul, appreciate your time.
That is te expert Paul Steenhouse, not to be confused
with house painter Paul Steenhouse. Before eleven o'clock on Newstalks
he'd be. We're in the garden and we're talking like
in this morning. You know how if you're going to
that like on the base of trees and that kind
of thing. Sometimes on other plants you see a bit
of like and gather over time. Our man the garden

(01:05:57):
is going to give us all the details and let
us know if there's anything we need to look out for.
Next up, though, our personal finance expert with some brutally
honest money advice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
No better way to kick off your weekend than Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
That'd be seventeen minutes through eleven our news Storksai'd be
time to catch up with our personal finance expert. E
McKnight is here from Opie's Partners this morning. Good morning,
Great to be here, Jack, Great to be speaking with you.
Although I'm shaking in my boots this morning. You have
brutally honest advice, brutally honest money advice for kiwis who
want to get ahead this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 16 (01:06:36):
I often try and be very encouraging when I'm on
this show, but someone reached out to me and said, oh,
keep be a bit more brutal. Tell us what you're
scared that we might get offended at. And so I've
come up with three things and I think are brutally
honest that people really need to know. And I think
the first thing when it comes to money is that
you are not destined to be wealthy, which sounds quite

(01:06:58):
quite sad and shocking, But the thing is a lot
of us have this patron in our heads about what
our lives are going to be like, and you almost
feel some like it's destined to happen. The truth of
the matter is wanting to be wealthy or to have
a batch or a nice car is not going to
make it happen. And I read a really interesting study
recently out of the University of New York, and it

(01:07:20):
found that even if you really really want something, that
only explains about twenty percent of whether it's going to
happen or not. Because even if you really want something,
we get distracted, or we give up when we're bored,
or it gets a bit hard. And so the first
thing is, you know, even if you want a lot
of money, wanting it is not enough. We've got to
do some other things to make it happen. As obvious

(01:07:42):
as that actually sound Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
I mean that Actually that is a very good point, right,
because a lot of us kind of you know, have
these kind of loose dreams about the kind of lives
or lifestyles that we want to have. But actually breaking
down the kind of steps that you need to go
through in order to get there is, you know, is
something that many of us wouldn't necessarily do. So that
does make a lot of sense. Well, it's another bit

(01:08:05):
of brutal advice you've got rus.

Speaker 16 (01:08:07):
Well, if you really care about earning more through your job,
it doesn't actually matter how valuable your skills are. That
matters a bit, But what really matters is how rare
the skills are. And I think a lot of people
do not focus enough on this. So the way I
always think about it is, how is it that you
can have two people who both go to university, they

(01:08:28):
study for four years, but a decade after they graduate,
one of the moon's call it ninety thousand dollars and
another earns one hundred and ninety thousand dollars, like an
extra one hundred thousand dollars. Because that is the reality
of what happens. And if you think about, say a
teacher now teachers have such an incredibly valuable job to do.

(01:08:48):
They are raising the next generation, and everybody would say
that is an incredibly valuable job for society. And yet
after a few good years in the job, some of
them end up on about ninety thousand dollars and a
lot of us would say, oh, that's not much for
that hard job that they do, that valuable job that
they do. And yet if you look at some people,
not everyone in the bank, but some people who work

(01:09:11):
for the bank and sit in their spreadsheets, they could
earn one hundred and ninety thousand dollars, and all of
us would say, would you really miss it if you
didn't have an extra spreadsheet person sitting in the bank,
And yet they earn so much more. And what I
want keVs to focus on is not just how valuable
the skill is, but how rare is it. There are
a lot of kids who grow up wanting to be teachers.

(01:09:31):
There are not many kids who grow up saying I'd
love to sit in a bank with a spreadsheet. And
so don't just think about how much demand there is
for your skill, but how rare the skill is as well,
Because if there aren't many people being actuaries or any
of those boring jobs. Then it's much easier to get
businesses to bid your salary or what you get paid up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Yeah, that's a very good point. And then you know,
I think you make a really good point around teachers, like,
no one's disputing the value of the job, right, but
it is. It's the scarcity thing, and you know, it's
at the end of the day, it's a kind of
a you know, a kind of the rules of supply
and demand. Said listen, and I suppose to be people
who say, well, actually, you know, I'm not like, the

(01:10:13):
reason I work isn't solely to make money. But the
truth is, to go back to your first point, if
you do aspire to a certain life or lifestyle, then
at some point you do need to address the income
side of things. And then that brings you to your
third bit of brutal advice this morning.

Speaker 16 (01:10:28):
Ed, which is that most people are not going to
make a significant amount of wealth through their work, and
so you've got to find ways to build wealth outside
of the job you do. Because I know, for most
Keywi's listening, you go to work, you get your pay,
you spend most of it, and often there's not that
much leftover, and so a lot of us are not
going to get rich through our jobs unless we're CEOs

(01:10:50):
or we are those bankers with the spreadsheets. So we've
got to think, how are we going to build wealth
outside of work? Now, the obvious answer is investing, and
you can do that in lots of ways. I'm a
property guy, but you could invest in shares or build
businesses or a lot of a lot of other ways.
But if we are investing effectively, we've got to take
money that we would otherwise spend today and use it

(01:11:11):
to buy properly or shares or something else. And that
can be hard and boring. So you've just got to
have it in your mind, why am I doing this
because I need to build wealth outside my work?

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Once upon a time I had a conversation with a billionaire,
as you do, like just a very casual conversation. It
was very very interesting, and one thing that this person
said to me was, you don't get rich working for
someone else. And so if that is something you do
aspire to, if you aspire to great riches or to
a certain kind of life and lifestyle, I think at

(01:11:41):
the end of the day that the way that most
people might get to that level of wealth is not
through being an employee. It's through being an employer.

Speaker 16 (01:11:51):
I think that's definitely the case for a lot of
people personally. I've found that myself.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Thanks you, Timed, appreciate it. Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners
with us this morning after eleven o'clock this morning. Oh,
really looking forward to this. We have a brand new
book from friend to the show, Lee Child. No it's
not a Reacher book. I know what you're thinking. And no,
he's been doing those where we are now. Of course,
his brother's doing a few of them instead. This is
the first ever autobiographical collection that Lee Child has released.

(01:12:19):
It's called The Stories Behind the Stories. Our book reviewer
has read it this week. She's going to give us
all the details as well as that our travel correspondent
is in traveling to an amazing part of the world
this morning, Brattislava in Slovakia. So he'll be with us
after eleven. Right now, it's ten to eleven. We're in
the garden. Next on news talks, he'd be gardening.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
We're still show up. Dollars are selected still tools for Dad.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Rude Clive pass is our man in the garden. He's
with us this morning. Hey rude, hey.

Speaker 6 (01:12:47):
Jack, have you got lichens on your plants?

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
I've got lichens, lichens on the on the trunks of
my trees. And yes, my trees do remain or you
remember the benefew dramas with the trees at my place.
But for example, the Bohodakawa has lots of lichen on
the on its trunk. So yeah, but I already think
about it. Ah, It's one of those things you sort
of know, Yeah, unless you actually slow down and observe it,

(01:13:11):
you often kind of just glance by and don't even
notice it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Well, that's that's one of the things. The other thing
is that I've actually started looking at these things at
night with a UV torch. I mean it's just I mean,
just making this up because this is what I do. Sometimes,
go outside, you got your UV torch on, and you
look at the lichens, which are always gray gray blue
or greeny gray blue type thing. Right, But when you

(01:13:37):
look under UV, suddenly one of them will turn orange, yeah, right,
and another one yellow and another one blue. It's just bizarre.
So they've they've kind of interested me for the last
few years a little bit, but recently, of course Julie,
Julie's got this magnolio which is full of this stuff.

(01:13:58):
And it was, of course like, what are we going
to do about this? This doesn't look good. The plant's
not doing well, not enough flowers. What can you get
rid of that?

Speaker 7 (01:14:09):
Well, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
You know, so I started looking into that sort of
stuff too, and then realized that that those lichens, of
course they're not by the way, they're not plants at all.
They are a completely different group of great jokes Christians.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Yeah, so do they use photosynthesis or how do they
how do they get energy and restore energy? And how
do they grow?

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
Well, first of all, they're made up of say two
or three different things fungus, a fungus, a blue green
algae or a cyanobacteria, and sometimes the third one is
a yeast. And the cold thing is the fungi are
basically the ones that can store water, right. The algae can't.

(01:14:56):
They quite often dry out. So what the fungus does.
It says, you know what, here's some of my water.
And then the algie says, you know, you know what,
not a big deal. I can do photosynthesis, and I'll
send you some sugars from my photosynthesis if you give
me water, and the same with the yeast that comes
in there as well. So basically, what you're looking at

(01:15:17):
here is basically a fabulous collaboration of two or three
different creatures that live on the trunk.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
So to be totally clear, is it a standalone creature?
Is it like in a standalone creature? Is it a
living thing or.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
Is it just no, Yes, it's a living thing, but
it's made from three different partners. If not that, it's like,
are you go, yes, exactly, So we'll talk about We'll
talk a little bit about it in another in another episode.
But for instance, in the Netherlands, we did not have
many likens because there was too much pollution in the air.

(01:15:55):
And the reason is very simple that the likean can't
stand that pollution and therefore is not very common there
on the tree trunks.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
That's what I know about, and that's how I learned
everything on forestry too. But anyway, so Julie says, look,
this is this is it? I said, well, look, but
these things work together. She says, yeah, But don't you
see this plant looking really silly. I said, yes, it
does a little bit, but you have to remember that basically,
the funny thing is that it's not that the plant

(01:16:25):
is invading the tree. Now, it just lives on top.
It doesn't it roots in the trees or anything like.
They just sit there on the branches. And it's basically
because maybe the plant that we planted is not in
the right place, so it gives you fewer leaves more light.
And then the liken says, that's a place where I

(01:16:49):
want to live.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Amazing, that's really interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
That. Yeah, it's really neat.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
It's really neat. So for instance, I've got a whole
lot of pictures as you can see there, for instance,
lichens growing on people's roofs, but also licens growing on
a really old car window.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
It's I believe, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
I've got a window with some liking on. It probably
needs a bit of attention. Actually, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
And here comes the nicest thing for the next time.
That name of dead liking is sexy, pavement like and sexy. Yeah, Nandy,
I know you'd love this. You have to wait, I'll
do it another day.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
I don't know that I never heard the term sexy
in pavement next to each other like that. But anyway,
I have a great again, wrote thank you Rode climb
Us in the garden for us after eleven o'clock our
sustainability expertism with tips on more sustainable travel. It's almost
eleven o'clock. News is next on News Talk d B.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
US Talks B.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Good morning, Welcome to game day on News Talks EDB
seven o'clock to anight. Of course we're gonna have coverage
of the All Blacks versus the spring Box at Eden Park.
I have not been this excited about a rugby game
in a long time. I reckons this is the last
World Cup. Honestly, it just feels like this is a
momentous kind of moment for Scott Robertson's All Backs. Don't
you think Eden Park? That thirty one year unbeaten record

(01:18:39):
on the line. Some great moments, some unconvincing moments in
the All Blacks season so far, a rugby championship in
which it feels like any team could beat any team
on their day. Ardie Savia playing his hundredth test. There
is so much to be excited about so cannot wait
for kick off this evening before midday on newstalk s EDB,

(01:19:00):
we are looking at a brand new book by this
guy called James Grant. A few year ago, James Grant
was working in the TV business, kind of in the
healthy in days of television. He was working on a
show called Prime Suspect. If you were tuning in last
Saturday morning on news Talks, here'd be we were speaking
to the author of Prime Suspect. Of course, Linda la Plante,

(01:19:21):
legendary dor yeurn of crime fiction in the UK, joined
us and she was reflecting on her career. But one
of her big breakthroughs was on a show called Prime Suspect.
So there was this guy, James Grant working on Prime Suspect.
He worked on a whole series of other shows as well,
things like The Jewel in the Crown, a show called Cracker.
He worked for Granada TV for years and then one

(01:19:44):
day he was made redundant. And when he was made redundant,
instead of looking for another job in the TV business,
maybe he saw the writing on the wall, he decided
he would have a go at writing novels instead. Of course,
James Grant is not how you know him. You know
him as Lee Child, and before midday we are going
to take a look at his brand new book. It
is not a Reacher book. This is a the first

(01:20:07):
auto biographical publication that Lee Child has ever published. It's
called Reach of the Stories Behind the Stories. Our book
reviewers read it, so she's going to give us the
details before midday. Right now, though it is nine past eleven,
be hard to catch up with. Our sustainability commentator Kate
Hall is with us this morning. Calder Icade, Well, Jack,

(01:20:29):
this morning, we're looking at travel and how you can
try and be a bit more sustainable, not only in
your travel but with the things you're doing at home
while you travel, which I know sounds a bit confusing,
but actually there is some really simple stuff you can
do to make sure you're obviously consuming less energy at
home when you're not at home. So let's start off there.
I didn't know this did anything, but you reckon actually

(01:20:49):
switching off appliances at the wall is worth it?

Speaker 17 (01:20:53):
Yes, yep, there have been studies done. Obviously, it depends
on the footprint of your home and all of that
as to how much you are actually saving. But switching
appliants off. I think it's also a good piece of
mind as well. You know that things are running and
just and can't be running, you knows less likely for
things to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
So I've become quite obsessed with my power bill lately,
basically because it's utterly obscene over the winter because we
have some we we still have pipe gas at our
place for heating, so don't get me started on that anyway.
But we were away from home for a couple of
weeks and I found it, like really interesting to see
how much energy we were still consuming when no one

(01:21:31):
was in the house. I was like, it was as possible.

Speaker 17 (01:21:34):
Yeah, it's still a lot. I mean it is hard
for your fridge and freezer, but if you are away
for you know, a really like a month or something,
it can actually be in your best interest to get
rid of all the food, pass it around to friends
and family, and actually turn it off. Yeah, because yeah,
especially you said over winter and get into the summer months.

(01:21:56):
And also then it's it's not on your mind as well.
If something were to happen, you know, the power goes out,
you're not wasting all that food, You're not there to
kind of salvage it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
Yeah, that's a very good point. Yeah, because that's a
terrible that, I'm sure, like you know that, that terrible
feeling getting back from being away from home and realizing
that actually the freezer has been unplugged for four days
and you had meat and ice cream and everything's kind
of you know, a warm glob at the bottom. No
one needs that. What what about packing? How do you
think about packing sustainably?

Speaker 17 (01:22:26):
Well, I've always been quite a light packer, and I
think that's great too, because you're not carrying around, you know,
a whole lot of unnecessary stuff. And then especially if
you're fine an aeroplane or in a car, the heavier
the vehicles, the more coveron emissions. And I just find
it practical too.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
That's interesting. I am am principle one hundred percent support.
That's my favorite writer, AA Girl who used to just
travel around, you know, the world. He was an amazing
travel writer. He swore that he would never travel anywhere
with checked and luggage. Also, he was always like, I've
just got just one bag and you know, like a

(01:23:06):
few of c centrals in there, and if there's something
I really need when I'm away, then I'll be able
to pack that. I mean, I'm sure he made, you know,
some exceptions for the Arctic Circle and things like that,
but yeah, yeah, and he just reckoned that was the
way to travel. There is something, Yeah, there is something
quite nice about, especially if you're going to multiple places

(01:23:26):
as part of a trip, about not having to fat
around with giant suitcases and stuff as well.

Speaker 17 (01:23:31):
It just makes the whole trip so so much easier,
you know, transporting yourself to and from busses and planes
and trains and you know, in vehicles. And you're right,
you can actually if you need something enough, you can
buy it when you're there. And I guess that can sound,
you know, slightly controversial, because for me, if I were

(01:23:51):
to forget my toothpaste or toothbrush, you know, I've got
my resual toothbrush and my toothpaste, but I haven't. When
you're focusing just on the essentials, you're more likely to
bring those and if you buy it once, you know,
it's not the end of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So what about the travel itself.
Are you going to tell us that we have to
take e bikes everywhere?

Speaker 13 (01:24:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:24:11):
Yeah, yeah, never go anywhere and.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Just take either it's going to be a journey to Australia. Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:24:18):
Yeah, Actually, my dad's a windsurfer and I always thought
one day I want a windsurf to esplain it. Anyway,
I'm not gonna I'm not going to suggest you do that.
Because there are there are ways to off your flights.
That's really great if you are flying. I'm actually traveling
to Prist Church for the first time with my baby

(01:24:38):
and I'm looking at, you know, okay, what things to take,
and I've offed it my flights. When you are there
at like in the city, when you're traveling around taking trains,
if there irony, especially if you're not in New Zealand,
then it's more likely you can find trains looking at
direct flights instead of lots of little ones is also yeah, yeah,

(01:25:00):
slightly better, and busses too, So before you go, I
find it really helpful to investigate those things first because
then you're not in a situation where you know you're hungry,
you need to get somewhere, you're just going to jump
in a cab that you've actually researched and looked at things.
And honestly, when you're in a bass or a train,
you often see things or good.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
No, if you weren't going to say that, I was
going to say it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Like, the thing about taking public transport when you're traveling
overseas is that it's a big part of the adventure.
I just need I never understand why people don't want
to ride in a train or a subway or a
bus or whatever, because the people watching in these things
is amazing. You always get to experience something new and
exciting and fresh that you wouldn't have experienced otherwise. Yeah,

(01:25:48):
I just I think it's an absolutely vital part, especially
if you're traveling somewhere interesting, of getting to know the place.

Speaker 17 (01:25:54):
Oh totally, Actually you're sitting with locals, you know, you're
not just observing things. Yeah, from kind of the out.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
It's allic, isn't it. It's authentic? Okay? Yeah, yeah, no,
I absolutely love that. I reckon it's one of the
great joys. Actually, I always set myself a film in
a new city, especially, I always set myself a challenge
when I arrived to try and understand the public transport network.
You know, that's cool.

Speaker 17 (01:26:18):
I love that especially, I think as a New Zealander
when I'm somewhere else and there's great train systems. It's
so novel as well, like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Yea, yeah it does yeah, yeah, yeah it is. It
does feel well, although this time next year, hopefully once
the central rail links open, will feel slightly less novel.
What about drink bottles? The reason I mentioned them is
that one thing I've noticed recently and lots of international
airports is increasingly airports have a refill your own drink

(01:26:48):
bottle kind of station, like even in places I wasn't,
you know, like I was in Central America recently and
I was surprised to see that there were places you
can you know, like an El Salvadore, there are places
you can fill up the drink. But okay, yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:27:02):
Everywhere, yep. So packing kind of like a little travel
pitch of I have cutlery like a little collaps or bowl,
my water bottle. I take a water bottle that has
felters and sterilizers and other places too. That's water to
go have. They're right, which have it all throughout India
with those, So kind of like a little kitch that

(01:27:24):
when you're going away, you switch off your clianss, you
have your trainsport ready for when you get there. You've
got your little kind of reasonal items kit, which, to
be honest, I take with me everywhere I go, you know,
even if I'm just going out for the day, So
just make sure I take that or bulk up with
a few more items and when I am actually in
the place too. You're talking about getting you know, amongst

(01:27:46):
the locals of transport, focusing on supporting local with the
places you're eating and staying. I think of probably like
one of the biggest things, because if you're going somewhere,
you're voting with your money like every day, and you
can either choose to support all the big chains like

(01:28:06):
don't really care about you, yeah, and aren't really part
of the place, or you can choose to give back
by supporting local and like you know, actually, yeah, voting
with your money that way.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Yeah, that's such a good message. Hey, thank you, Kate
really appreciate it. As always, you can find Kate all
on social media. She's on all of the good channels,
I suppose, just so ethically Kate and her name will
pomp right up. Oh here we go, Jack. We've just
installed smart switch is around the house and cut our
daily electricity usage by twelve kilo hours per day. We

(01:28:39):
turned off the microwave printer to USB charg's, TV, laptop
power supplies, et cetera. Is Derek, Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
Derek.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Ninety two ninety two nine two nine two is the
text number if you want to send us a message.
This morning, we are continuing the travel theme in a
couple of minutes. Our travel correspondent this week is traveling
to Bratislava in Slovakia. He's with us next travel.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
With Wendy wo Tours.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Where the world is yours for now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Twenty one past eleven on New stork'd be. Our travel
correspondent is Mike yard Lee.

Speaker 7 (01:29:07):
Good morning, Good morning Jack. I have an inquiry into
the race about refillable water bottles.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Oh please.

Speaker 7 (01:29:15):
Now, just a consumer advisory note here. I'm a big
fan of refullables. I always travel with one, but I
have seen so many people, when not boarding the plane,
hoist the overloaded carry on into the overhead bin and
the bottle falls out like an unguided missile and clout someone.

(01:29:36):
So take your bottle out before you hoist your bag up.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Very good, take you. I also think that people forget
that that bottles can be pressurized very easily and some
of your issues. If you don't do up the lid
very well and then mid flight, all of a sudden
you notice that the luggage compartment is leaking onto you,
that can be a bit of an issue as well.

Speaker 7 (01:29:53):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Hey, I was mentioning El Salvador to Kate, so El
Salvador sound Salvador is one of two places that kind
of sticks in the back of my throat. The other
is Botislava and Slovakia because they are two cities that
I've traveled to that I've never set foot outside. And
so I've been to I've been to San Salvador to

(01:30:14):
the airport, but I've never set outside of the airport.
And I've been to Slovakia. I've been to Brettislava, but
I only passed through Bretislava on a train, so I
think I was I must have been training from from
Budapest to Budapest to the Czech Republic, maybe yeah, and
so you know, kind of going up there by the
Danube and maybe maybe tracking the western border of Slovakia.

(01:30:38):
But I've never never set foot outside the train in Bratislava,
and I just remember crawling through the city that terrible
feeling like it looks so beautiful and inviting and thinking, well,
I'm just gonna have to come back. So anyway, I'm
glad you're focusing there this morning, because you've got lots
of fantastic little tips for breezing through Bretislava. And there
is a kind of geographical quirk about the Slovakian capital.

Speaker 7 (01:31:00):
Right, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm happy to be stood
corrected here, Jack, But I think Brattislava is the only
capital city in the world which is surrounded by three
countries which you can actually see with your own eyes.
So obviously Brattislava is the capital of Slovakia. But to

(01:31:22):
the west you have got Austria, like about thirty minutes
away by train, and then you've got Hungary to the east.
So like when you're standing at say Bratislava Castle with
a bit of a perch, with a bit of an
aerial view, you can see those countries from downtown Brettislava.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Because na, yeah, Vienna must be is super close, right,
Like that's just it just up the Danube, that's right.

Speaker 7 (01:31:50):
Yeah, I think it's a forty five minute train ride
from Vienna.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
Yeah, okay, and then and then the Danube continues down
into into Hungary, and so that's sort of there's a
little there's a little dog leg, isn't there that it
comes from right near the border. Yeah, oh, that is
very ye.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
But it's also a reminder that obviously, given its position,
it's been a bit of a punching bag for numerous
imperial powers over the centuries as well.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
Yeah, yeah, well, yes, there's certainly a fair the history
in that part of the Well. So what communist relics
grab a lot of attentionon in Barslava these days.

Speaker 7 (01:32:23):
Well, obviously there's plenty of brutalist tenement blocks still foresting
the city, but there are two particular landmarks which I
just find extraordinary. The first one is the Ufo Tower.
So this was perhaps the Communists' greatest contribution to Bratislava's
street scape, and it's on the southern bank of the Danube.

(01:32:46):
The Ufo was a futuristic statement tower that they built
in the sixties. In fact, I don't think it was
finished until the early eighties. It took forever to be
knocked off. But it's the tiniest member of the World
Federation of Great Towers, which does include Auckland skytower with
this UFO tower. This is such a cool thing. So

(01:33:07):
you've got this shuddering elevator, ride up to the rooftop
and there you can see Austria in Hungary. And the
other hand me down, which I think is just so weird.
The Slovak State Radio Building. This is the most bizarre
Soviet architectural statement. It is an upside down pyramid descending

(01:33:30):
into a massive concrete bunker. God knows what drugs that are.
Architect was on. It is the weirder site.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Yeah, okay, amazing. So where should you head if you're
in the old town?

Speaker 7 (01:33:43):
Yes, the old town is such as Hartstealer I recom
It's one of the best old towns in Eastern Europe.
It's fully pedestrianized and you just want to linger there
because it's a showcase of the mastery of Slovak town
planners from about the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. And somehow
they jam packed a whole city's worth of churches and

(01:34:04):
shops and palaces in us into a handful of blocks.
You know, it's really compact. It's like a bon bond
and just a tangle of twisting, cobbled streets, with all
of these pastoral hued eighteenth century buildings, really really cool
and very contemporary. You know, it's not just a living museum.

(01:34:25):
It's got a real good, vital energy about it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
There's the good public art.

Speaker 7 (01:34:31):
Yeah. In fact, I reckon this is part of the
seduction of the old town and it was very much
a Bratislav post communist era, wanting to sort of shake
off that long shadow. So they spent megabucks on lots
of perky art installations, but quite grandiose in places. But

(01:34:54):
I reckon the best of the lot. As Kummel, he
is this road worker peering out above the pavement from
a manhole, and the whole thing is rendered in bronze.
He was actually beheaded as shortly after he was installed
by vehicles inadvertently driving over him. So he's now got

(01:35:15):
a man at work roadsign next to him to help
with the self preservation. But it's that kind of quirky
humor in their streetheart that just speckles Brattislava.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Oh well, how about this. We got an email just
before you joined us saying Jack, Brettislava is an amazing
place to visit. We were really taken with the outdoor sculptures,
many of them, and bronze. I hope that Mike talks
about it this morning, So there you go. Paul will
be very pleased with that. You clearly have similar tastes.
Are there some hospitality highlights you'd recommend?

Speaker 7 (01:35:45):
Yeah, Well, first of all, if you don't want to
share Brettislava with Stagdo and Hen parties, avoid Brettislava on
the weekend because it is a European hotspot for Stagno's
and hen parties. But a couple of tips. If you
head into Bratislava Castle. On the main road to the castle,
there is this very cool called Carba Bar. It's actually

(01:36:08):
more of a cafe than a bar. But what I
like about it is it's part hipster and then part
retro Soviet. You know, it's got that sort of vibe
to it, with a lot of memorabilia from the era,
and it's all housed on the ground floor of a
communist era apartment block. Very cool little place. The muster

(01:36:28):
try Slovaki and dish would have to be halushki, which
are those KNOCKI like potato dumplings, smothered and melted sheeps,
cheese and fried bacon, not exactly Michelin star material, but
cheap and cheerful and very satisfying.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Yeah, what about coffee and cake any go tos Ah.

Speaker 7 (01:36:48):
Yes, there is this place called Conda Conde Torre Cormuth,
and it actually turns two hundred old two hundred years
old next year. This Cafe Jack is like walking into
a Rococo jewel box. The wall and selling frescoes are unbelieving.
The ball, the carvings, the porcelain, the antique furniture. It's insane.

(01:37:11):
But best of all, the cakes. They are all steeped
in tradition from the Austro Hungarian Empire, so you're sort
of eating what the Habsburgs were eating a couple of
centuries ago, Swans shaped shoe pastry buns, which are just
pumped with caramel cream. They look too good to eat,
but I did. And then you've got to nibble on

(01:37:34):
things like dough bosh torta six layers of chocolates and
butter cream. And the berry stacked rum cakes are really
good too. I could spend all day yeah, contact.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that might be. I might have to
bump that up to the very top of the list.
I think the place is to go, And what about
the Museum of Vita Culture. What's so appealing about it?

Speaker 7 (01:37:56):
Oh, this is the funniest thing. So I thought, oh well,
I'll go and learn about the history of Slovakian wine.
But it actually doubles more like a booze barn, because
in the basement it's like dating with wine. If you
want to, you can pay thirty uro and you can
taste your way through seventy two wines and one hundred minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
Seventy two characters that aren't you, Yeah you are, but
I mean you don't have to go through all of them,
but you can if you want.

Speaker 7 (01:38:27):
You can have seventy two wines in one hundred minutes.
So I wonder if host Responsibility might have skipped over Slovakia.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Yeah, yes, yes, very good. It sounds amazing Here clear
sisplicness of text. Mike to say, Jack really loving walking
down the Buttslava memory Lane this morning. We were there
in twenty nineteen and everything Mike says just makes me want.

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
To go back.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
So there you go. Very cool, Thank you very much.
We'll make sure that all of your tips for a
breezing through Buttslava and Slovakia are up on the news
Talk CD website. Don't forget before mid day today our
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(01:39:07):
first ever autobiographical collection from Lee Child. Just after eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
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Speaker 18 (01:39:24):
You got to know, You to Know, I understand twenty
six to twelve on news Talk zed B.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
It's not even midday. In the band The Kingslander is
already doing its sound checks today. It must know that
Jason Pine is behind the mic after midday, counting down
to the All Blacks versus the spring Box Piney and
already plenty of atmosphere seven hours before kickoff.

Speaker 19 (01:39:56):
I know Jack coming to the Kingslanders through Kingsland, of course,
the suburb that Eden.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
Park is in.

Speaker 19 (01:40:02):
Already there's a real buzz around a lot of people,
a lot of all blacks Jerseys, people looking to get
their luncheon nice and early, and yeah, coming to you
from the Kingslander on youw North Road this afternoon between
twelve and three.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
Man, I don't know about you.

Speaker 19 (01:40:15):
I can't remember a Test match that's had more excitement, anticipation,
hype around it in the in the week or so
leading into it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
Yeah, yeah, very much. So what are the components that
you are going to be most closely watching tonight?

Speaker 7 (01:40:28):
Oh chah, I think the start.

Speaker 19 (01:40:30):
I think you know this, as I say, so much hype.
So which of the teams is able to have a
cool head in the first ten or fifteen minutes. You
don't necessarily win the game there, but you can go
awey way towards losing it if you're not careful. Also,
the physical battle. You know, we talk about how we
want to see expanse of rugby, but I get the
feeling that the spring Box will go back to their
DNA of hard men, you know, running the ball hard

(01:40:53):
and hitting even harder.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
The all blacks have to combat that.

Speaker 19 (01:40:55):
But I would like to see, you know that the
chance for some of these outside backs, the likes of
a Will Jordan, to break the game open. Perhaps it's
just so hard to pick jack. It is such a
coin flip this game. Both sides you know, you look
at the Man for Man and probably actually South Africa.
Probably man for man, you would say, certainly a more
experienced team, but does that mean they're a better team.

(01:41:16):
And then there's the eden Park factor of course as well.
Nineteen ninety four as an awfully long time ago the
last time anybody emerged from Eden Park victorious against the
All Blacks, So that's there too, and the small matter
of Arlie saves one hundredth games. So a lot of
layers to this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
Looking forward to it very much, looking forward to it.
Of course. Jason Pine, Elliott Smith and the team are
going to have live coverage of the All Blacks versus
South Africa this evening seven o'clock. The coverage starts Newstalk's
He'd be Gold iHeartRadio as well, and yeah, the cover
starts at seven. I think the game kicks off about
five past seven, so make sure you stick around for
that before midday. On News talks 'B we're getting excited

(01:41:56):
for the Summer Music Festival, They're not that far away.
Some big announcements for the lineups at Electric Avenue and
Homegoing this week. Next up, though, your book picks for
the Weekend twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
For all the things that Lee Child has written over
his incredible career, all of the amazing Reacher adventures, he
has never yet published an autobiographical collection, that is, until now.
Reacher The Stories Behind the Stories by Lee Child is
the first of Katherine Rain's Our Book Reviewers Picks for
this weekend. Hey Catherine, Morning, Jack, So tell us about it.

Speaker 20 (01:42:39):
So Lee Child was made redundant from a BBC in
the early nineties, and so the book actually opens on Monday,
September the fifth and nineteen ninety four, and he's at
home at the dining room table writing the first chapter
of his book, and he gives it to his wife
and actually asks the very innoxious question should I continue?
And she said, yes, I like it. So these are

(01:43:02):
all of the tales of the Reacher novels, and it
describes the cut up, behind the scenes and why the
books turned out the way that they did, and he's
got and he notes about it and what he was
inspired by the context not only of what was going
on his life, but the world outside the books. As well,
and so it starts from nineteen ninety nine's Killing Flour
all the way to twenty nineteen's Blue Moon, and it's

(01:43:24):
that book Killing Floor that he's you know, was his
debut novel and it went on to be a pretty
big hit. And it was originally entitled actually bad Luck
in Trouble, which went on to be his eleventh novel.
And he talks about working with Tom Cruise and that
whole Hollywood experience and Persuader was his He loved Alistair MacLean,

(01:43:45):
so it was really, you know, kind of about writing
like him and that sort of thing, and you know,
reflects on actually how sixty one hours is his favorite
of the Reacher novels, and you know, he credits a
lot of success with the professionals around him, his agent,
his publishing teams, and above all his family. And then
actually the book ends with Lee Child with a short

(01:44:05):
story called a Better Place, which is a Jack Reacher story.
So for all fans, you get a little taste of
Jack creature again with Lee Child on this book.

Speaker 4 (01:44:12):
Oh super Okay, that's the stories behind the stories by
Lee Child, because his brother has been writing the last
few Lee Child adventures.

Speaker 20 (01:44:19):
Yes, I think the last five, yeah, is it five?
They write it, they wrote a couple together, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
I think it's the last hand. Yeah, yeah, where.

Speaker 20 (01:44:27):
Andrew's kind of written them all on his own. So yeah,
and it has put a bit of a different spin
on it. But I still like I still like the tail.
I still like Jack Reacher, and yeah, he has a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
Of a different spin, but it's good. He has an
amazing thing too, where he because you know, he came
on the show and we talked to him about it.
He was saying, you know, when he writes, he does
that thing where he just he doesn't like map out
a story arc or anything like that. Right, he doesn't.
It's not it doesn't look like a mass murderer's leer.
We have all of the bits of string and kind

(01:44:57):
of fragments of bits of paper pinned to the walls,
and everything's connected. Nothing like that. When he writes a book,
he just writes a page, and then he just writes
the next page, and he thinks, oh, yeah, that was good,
and then just right it's the next page. Barey goes
back and deletes anything. It's just amazing how his brain
works when it comes to storytelling. So very much, and
he crafts.

Speaker 20 (01:45:15):
The story that makes a lot of sense, and yeah,
and then yeah, it is incredible because most most writers
don't write like that, you know, with how you described it.
So yeah, it's an incredible way that he does it.
So I think it's his TV background that helps to.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Yeah, for sure, absolutely see TV is good for something.
The Stories Behind the Stories by Lee Child as your
first book. Next up tell us about Frosty by Mark Winterbottom.

Speaker 20 (01:45:39):
So this story Mark Winterbottom starts in a very poor
suburb of Sydney and dune Side and then ends up
at the racing of kind of Mount Paran Armor. And
you know, Mark Winterbottom didn't come from money, and actually
where he gets his start is he actually wins raffle
for a pee wee fifty motorcycle and that kind of

(01:46:00):
got him hopped on on motor racing. And then he
has this crash and his mother decided that his motorcycling
career was over, but actually he could go kart racing.
And the book actually talks a lot about his relationship
with his mother, June, and the bond that they had
and you know that's created between them, but particularly when
his parents' marriage starts to dissolve and June was actually

(01:46:21):
diagnosed with breast cancer when Mark was only four, and
he ends up as her main support, accompanying to chema
therapy sessions until she sadly passes away in twenty eleven.
But her struggle with cancer shapes his childhood and his
character and his connection with his mum's really strong. But
actually it's almost the opposite what it is, the opposite
with his father, who is incredibly strange from his father,

(01:46:44):
who was a speedway racer guy called Jim, and he's
never really spoken about it publicly, and he speaks about it,
I think quite candidly in this book, you know. And
the fact that they never reconcile before his father's death
in twenty twenty from leukemia. So yeah, it's a kind
of interesting person that Mark is is shaped. But then
of course there's the motor racing and he won ten

(01:47:04):
Australian cart championships, twenty five state championships, and then because
he moves to Formula Ford and he wins Bathurst in
ty thirteen alongside Kiewe Stephen Richardson. He won the twenty
fifteen Supercars Championship. But actually he also talks about the
politics of the supercars and what went on behind the scenes,
and he's pretty candid about his racing life. He certainly

(01:47:24):
doesn't shy away from talking about people. He talks about
the people that really helped him, but he also talks
about his rivals, particularly Mark Larkham, you know, with his
exit from the TV Stars team in two thousand and five,
his rivalry with Jamie Wincup. He really sort of saves
a lot of his chat about Craig Lownds, who really

(01:47:47):
gets some sharp critique, and their battles in twenty fourteen
and fifteen, and then of course this is very recent
exit from Team eighteen.

Speaker 7 (01:47:54):
And the book has lots here.

Speaker 20 (01:47:56):
Whether you're a Mark Winterbottom fan or not, it's got
lots about motor racing and full performance and some really
good stories. And I think I think those motor racing
fans we'll find some good things on the.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Spot, and I can tell that you are one of them, Catherine,
I am, yeah, I know. No, it's very good. You're
full of surprises. That's great. So that is the Stories
behind Sorry. That is Frosty by Mike winter Bottom. Your
first book is of course the Stories behind the stories
by Lee Child. Both of those we'll be on the
news Talk z'd be website. We're counting down to the
summer fifty season. Next a couple of big announcements for

(01:48:28):
lineups in the New Zealand festivals our music reviewers, then shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to know.
Saturday morning with Jack Dame News Talks Be.

Speaker 13 (01:48:40):
Can stop Believe in London, Bred.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
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Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
What section pay dock down.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
Until the lights Well just oh that's the greatest. By
six sixty, we're counting down some top kiwee bands this
morning on news Talks edb as the lineups for New
Zealand summer festivals for twenty five twenty six beginning to
be confirmed music via Style. Clifford is here with us
this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:49:19):
Hello Lo Moderna.

Speaker 21 (01:49:22):
I have been sideline football and my raincoat and I
am ready to shed that skin and embrace summer.

Speaker 4 (01:49:28):
Right yep, yeah, I think we all are speaking for
all of us this morning.

Speaker 21 (01:49:31):
Yeah, exactly, you've been out there this morning. Now we
want some good gems to get us through into the festival.
Vibe six sixty of course, I mean that just sounds
like summer. It sounds like a festival as soon as
your crank cup their music.

Speaker 12 (01:49:44):
They are one of the bands.

Speaker 21 (01:49:45):
Who have been confirmed for Homegrown, of course in its
new home of Claudland's Oval and Hamilton and the Mighty
Tron next year away from Wellington, and that is going.

Speaker 12 (01:49:56):
To be massive.

Speaker 21 (01:49:57):
The other huge festival that's been announced this week is
Electric Avenue.

Speaker 5 (01:50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
It's got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and
bigger A yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:50:05):
And I love that it's in Hagley Park in christ Urch.

Speaker 21 (01:50:08):
I love it gives people an excuse to head down
south and maybe tag it on to the end of
you finishing summer holidays and then you get back into
it with a two day festival so that you can
pre register now too for pre sales, which happen pre
sale's open on Wednesday. I think it's going to I
think this is going to sell out pretty fast because
the big headlining act is Split Ends Amazing, so celebrating

(01:50:29):
their fiftieth anniversary, they're headlining this and I think producing Libby.
When her and I were having a chat earlier in
the week, We're like, they're not just going to headline this,
are they I don't want to start a rumor or
anything or any huge expectation on them, But if you're
going to bring all the band back together.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Yeah, I mean, think of all the practice that needs
to go in, right.

Speaker 21 (01:50:52):
Yeah, maybe they don't practice at all, Jack, maybe that
maybe get up on stage and go for it after
fifty years of having these tunes in their heads. I
don't know, but that is going to be spectacular. It
is the full band who's.

Speaker 7 (01:51:03):
Going to be there.

Speaker 12 (01:51:05):
I just think that's that's going to be a very
big crowd there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
That's interesting totally.

Speaker 21 (01:51:10):
Yeah, it's huge at the festival's two way like that.
It kind of covers a lot of generations when it
comes to the music, and I really love that. So,
I mean you've got split ends who definitely go over
decades since the seventies, and then you've got the streets
and basement jacks as part of that festival. I mean
that's kind of like your nineties sort of into the

(01:51:31):
two thousands.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
Yeah, don't you know those guys, I can't I.

Speaker 21 (01:51:36):
Seriously seen that on stage that if they don't perform there,
I'd be very very surprised.

Speaker 12 (01:51:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, much like Kasha being there.

Speaker 21 (01:51:45):
Like that's quite an exclusive exclusive to the New Zealand
version of Electric Avenue.

Speaker 12 (01:51:51):
How did they do that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Variety? Because it's over two days now, right, yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:51:57):
Two days, so you've got to have your wits about you,
can I please give us some advice here when it
comes to today festivals. Don't pre party on the Thursday. Yes,
I know you're going to be fizzed that your people
are all coming together and they'll probably come together on
the Thursday and you'll go hard from Friday morning.

Speaker 12 (01:52:13):
Don't don't pre party my advice.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
My advice is don't wear your new pair of Doc
Martins or not those either.

Speaker 12 (01:52:20):
You need the ones that you've had for twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
Years exactly exactly. They need to be well.

Speaker 21 (01:52:24):
Worn in you know, actually you know the thing you
should wear to a festival, and I get that on
the top half you might not want to rock it,
but active wear because if at least not on the
top half, we're your most comfy of sneaks. Because happy
feet are dancing feet and you will be able to
stay standing for a long period of time if you're
wearing your most comfy of sneakers. So don't even worry

(01:52:46):
if you're sneening it like if you're doing the sign
foul jeans and sneakers, don't who can clean because you
lean into it. You want to survive these two days,
so don't party till you get there. Where your comfy
sneakers or you're very worn in docks like you say.
Also a bum bag or fanny pack, whatever you want
to call it, because that's hands free fun man. You
don't have to be worrying about where your cards, where

(01:53:08):
your phone as it all goes in where you go
to use the portaloo is it put up? No worries,
You're not going to drop anything. We shouldn't be dropping it.

Speaker 12 (01:53:15):
So those are the mustaves.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
Can we know who's playing Rhythm and Vines this year?

Speaker 12 (01:53:21):
I do know that, and I just slipped my mind
now actually.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
Yeah, I'm looking at now. So who's going to be
playing dece Between? Oh yeah, I mean Rhythm and Vines
is like they're so cool that I don't know who
they are.

Speaker 7 (01:53:34):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:53:34):
It's one of those kind of coming of age festivals
too over the New Year. So at some stage in
your life, if you haven't had a Rhythm and Vines,
you should definitely make the trip to get into that
camping vibe and go and do it because it'll be massive.
What's kind of cool Tho was a lot of those
key we bands are following those gigs around, which is
quite fun for.

Speaker 7 (01:53:53):
Their may.

Speaker 12 (01:53:55):
Like I know ones like Sums of Zion.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:53:58):
See, those kind of guys on the homegrown stage will
be really great. You've got the Jordan luck Bend coming
in and then Ray and you're wicky and villainy, so
it kind of mixes up just that reggae dubs sound,
but you've got some of that meddle and rock.

Speaker 4 (01:54:13):
O home bro music's coming to rhythm.

Speaker 7 (01:54:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
Nice.

Speaker 21 (01:54:19):
See that's also why they release tickets now because it's
before your Christmas present.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
Yeah of course. So who's your top pig to go
and see?

Speaker 21 (01:54:27):
You have to see Split Ends, yes, and you have
to see Kasha. And I know she's like a free
spirit now and doing her own music, But if she
doesn't do TikTok, I would seriously cry, yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
She's got to do that. She could, she must be
allowed to write, yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:54:40):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah if she doesn't do that, But I
just think that it's amazing that she's going to be
part of that festival, so I wouldn't want to miss
seeing her.

Speaker 7 (01:54:48):
And then.

Speaker 12 (01:54:51):
Isn't that so weird?

Speaker 21 (01:54:52):
Like what a weird collection of artists to see? And
then yeah, Dacks project. When you see those guys live,
huge energy and there's something cool about someone who sings
and plays sex ifone at the same time. When you
actually see that physically live away from the recording music,
soun's pretty magic to see.

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
Yeah, so good. All right, have a wonderful weekend. Thank
you so much of Stelle. Stelle Clifford with her top
picks for the summer festivals that haven't so far. Six
to twelve on News talks.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
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Jack Team News Talks B.

Speaker 4 (01:55:26):
Jason Pine and the team are standing by at the Kingslander,
just down the road from Eden Park as they preplan
to count down to the All Blacks spring box kickoff
this evening. My goodness, it is going to be a
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he'd be or have live coverage from six o'clock this evening,
kickoff just after seven o'clock go the AB's. I feel

(01:55:47):
quietly confident I don't want to say that too much,
but I feel like yep, especially given it's Artie hundredth.
We're going to be there tonight. Thank you so much
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You can find everything from Mashow of course at newstalks
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