Full Show Podcast: 08 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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I have just been jiggling my strawberriesap and jiggling my strawberries.
I jiggle my strawberries every day at the moment. Every
morning when I leave the house, I jiggle my strawberries.
It's the last thing I do. I think we need
a better saying, though, I don't think that phrase strawberry
jiggling is quite right. You know the process though, when

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you go by your strawberry patch, you've got the straw down,
but you still just move the strawberries just a little bit,
just in case there's been any condensation or moisture overnight.
You don't want your strawberries developing bedsaws, you know, you
just want to keep them nice and fresh. So I've
been doing that this morning. And if the strawberries at
your place looking anything like the strawberries at my place,
which is to say, they're looking red, ripe, plump, delicious

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He has just combined two of his favorite characters from

(01:50):
his more than forty books, out of which I think
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that kind of involves some of the big questions of
the modern age around big tech, artificial intelligence, that kind
of thing. So he's gonna be with us after ten
o'clock this morning. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Jack Team.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It arrived in the hands of a waiter who moved
with the lightness and grace of a ballet dancer across
the restaurant floor. It had a fleshy color, a creamy
brown kind of hue, and it was inflated to the
size of a balloon, but the shape was slightly less uniform.

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Asparagus said the waiter prepared in this pig's bladder. I
don't know how many bladder based meals you've had in
your life, but that was a first for me. The asparagus,
i should say, the single spear of asparagus, was absolutely delicious,
although not quite so amazing that I personally felt compelled

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to give up roasting food in my oven in favor
of bladder cooking. From then on I was dining at
a place called Leven Madison Park. It's this extraordinary fine
dining restaurant at the foot of Madison Ave in New York,
just across the way from the flat Iron building Tom
Brady had his penthouse across the road. I once saw
Rupert Murdoch walking his dog in the park outside, and

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the food at ELP is almost as fancy as its neighbors.
As a winner of three Michelin Stars, Eleven Madison Park
is widely considered one of the very best restaurants in
the world. The Michelin Star system is certainly an effective
marketing tool. At the very least it has been with me,

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prehaps before I had kids, not quite so much now.
When there was slightly more dispendable income, I sought out
Michelin Star restaurants all around the world. So in New
York I went to the Michelin Star restaurant The Musket Room,
headed up by Kiwi Matt Lambert. I dined in Bilbao,

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where they have a higher concentration of Michelin starred restaurants
than anywhere on Earth. I've lined up early and eaten
at what was the world's cheapest Michelin starred restaurant, Dim
Sum in Hong Kong, and as much as anything, I've
treated eating at most of these places as an experience,
so a rare treat, not so much a source of

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nourishment necessarily, but as food for memories. As the Michelin
Star judges turn their attention to New Zealand's restaurants scene,
I just hope they don't come here expecting the absolute
finest of fine dining. And I appreciate that these days
they look at a range of different sorts of restaurants. Right,

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But for a few exceptions, the lardie dar isn't really us.
We don't do fussy, we don't do fiddley. We want
a more casual, relaxed style that kind of befits our culture.
Really good ingredients cooked well and more often than not,
designed to be shared. And it's funny as incredible as

(05:17):
my night was all those years ago at eleven Madison Park.
The single best meal of my life. Wasn't it a
Michelin starred restaurant. There were no white tablecloths. There was
no Somaliae curated wine list, no Old World New World.
It was in a tiny, legally questionable fire trap of

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an apartment in Paris that my best mate called his home.
I had flown in with another friend the day before,
and the three of us had gone for a long
jog by the sin to try and kick the jet lag.
On the way back home, we stopped by one of
the local farmers' markets and picked up some gooey cheese,
some tomatoes, some salami, and some baguette. We sprawled out

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on the floor of the apartment, still grubby and sweaty,
cutting off hunks of each and stuffing them into our mouths.
It was heaven. And that's the thing about the best meals. Ultimately,
the best meals are not made with the truffle moose,

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or the poached do Do's egg, or even the inflated
pigs bladder that's not what makes the magic people make
the magic check Team ninety two. Ninety two is our
text number if you want to send me your message
this morning. Don't forget the standard text costs supplies. Sharon
has gone really quick to say speak for yourself, Jack, Hey,

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on what part of what part am I speaking for
myself for Sharon? Maybe Sharon does do a lot of
cooking and bladders could be wrong there, Sharon, you can
email me as well, Jacket Newstalks, he'db dot co dot
nz is my email address. But fourteen o'clock this morning,
we've got your film picks for this week, plus our
sportos thoughts on the A League RB this evening, Aukland

(07:08):
FC taking on the Wellington Phoenix in their first clash
of the new season. Kevin Melon will kick us off
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minutes past night and I'm Jack Tamer's Saturday Morning This
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Speaker 4 (07:20):
Z'd be.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Be okay, He's not having it this morning. On the text,
he says, designed to share, designed to share anyone dare
pinch my chips gets their fingers cut right off. Jack,
You're right, fancy restaurants are a special experience, a rear
treat in our house. But like you, it's an experience.
That's the thing. You're not going for the meal, You're

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going for the experience. Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, personally,
I'm quite happy just having the more relaxed, the more
relaxed dining experience generally speaking. But yeah, well, once in
a blue moon and like every five years or something. Maybe, right,
it's a very very treaty. Two it is our text
number this morning, Jacket Newstalok said, beatt co dot and

(08:10):
he said, you know what I actually remember about leaving
Madison Park as well as the bladder obviously, because we
did that. I did that terrible mistake where we did
a wine match and I am not someone known for
his great drinking capacity at the best of times, not
a big drinker, and so we did the wine match,
and so by the end of the night it was

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I was sort of in a little bit of a
sideway state, and I remember going home in the taxi
and the last thing that did at the restaurant is
they gave you a jar of granola, So a jar
of cereal to take home with you, so that the
next day when you woke up, you could go back
and you could look at the menu and think, oh,
those are all the things we had last night, and
here's some cereal to start the day. And as I
made my way home in the taxi, feeling a little

(08:54):
bit wobbly, I ate the granola. So there you go,
most expensive dinner of my life, and I left hungry.
I'll get to bore your feedback in a few minutes.
Kevin Milner's here with us this morning to kick them
morning off together.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Get Kevin, get a jack funny story. Funny story.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Nice idea. Actually, they give you a granola and you
think about the place again in the morning. Yeah, that's
if you've held out that long.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well that's the that's the thing, isn't it. It's only
if you hold out that long. And apparently I didn't
on that occasion. It was it was kind of beautifully
it was, you know, beautifully presented, like it was this
lovely jar. Yes, and they you know, they had like
a little ribbon tied around it and everything, and I thought,
this is going to look great. Tomorrow morning if we
can get there. Ah, and we're not going to get there.

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I'm just a little bit peckish. But never mind.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
The only Metell place that I've eaten and was quite recently.
And then Hong Kong, right Cam's Roast Goose.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh yeah, I saw that was one.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, the goose was fantastic, but the everything else was
so wrong because it had a Metell and stay yet
to queue up outside before we get for at least
twenty forty minutes they said in the book an hour,
but we got a bit mogger than that, and the

(10:15):
service was really average. And you shared that you shared
tables with everybody else, which I don't like much. If
I were to say, what were the best meals ever
had they were actually around there? Do you remember a
guy at TV and there called Mike Valentine. Yeah, well

(10:36):
Mikey is a superb cook, And go round to him
and Caroline Menye's place for a meal and you'll be
still going out to any restaurant.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, Oh that's it. Like I say, though, I mean fundamentally,
it is people who make the best experiences, the best
dining experiences as far as I'm concerned, No matter how
good the food is, it is the people that make it.
But Kevin, anyway, this morning, you have been turning your
attention to the warming weather and to clothes lines.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yes, yes, that sort of. I don't know whether we're
getting into an early silly season, Jack, but it turns
out I'm a fan of clothes pegs. Last year I
got quite excited about these wonderfully colored plastic pegs called
mister Peg and the Peg family.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Do you know, I'm Jack, No, I don't give it.
It's not something I usually give a lot of attention
to him on us.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
There's only to be snobby about it, Jack. Their pegs
were smiling faces on them, right. I believe they used
to turn up at the bottom of laundry powder packets.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Sort of.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Maybe they still do now you can buy them online
as it were. Anyway, we had one of these pegs
in our kitchen for years. If any of the kids
got grumpy, Linda would bring out mister Peg. Her little
lecture went along the lines of if mister Peg can
maintain a smile despite being an old peg hung out

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to dry every day, then surely we all can. And
it worked. You couldn't look at the pegs smile without
your spirits lifting. But now I've found some other pegs
that make me smile. They're the original classic Kiwi Sunshine
spring pegs and bright yellow one hundred percent recycled plastic

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made in Hamilton. This PEG's been around since nineteen sixty
three apparently, but it's been repackaged and an extremely cheerful,
bright yellow pack. And what I like about the new
pack is it says on top still made here and
enz by a good bloke named Brian. In the small print,

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it tells us Brian's been making his well loved pegs
since he was a teenager. He did his apprenticeship manufacturing
pegs back in the early nineteen eighties, and over forty
years later, he's still making them. I rang up and
asked him if he is still doing it, and they
confirmed yes he is.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
Jack.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
I love a product that brings a bit of humanity
to its production. I'm not I'm not here to sell pigs,
but I say on your Brian, good boy, good on
your sunshine for helping us keep our laundry on the line,
especially here in well and windy Old Wellington.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah so good, Kevin, so good. I want to I
want to. I'd love to know a bit more about
Brian's story. How you got into Pegs in the first place.
Maybe just maybe just saw a saw a you know,
I saw an opportunity in the market. Kevin, that's right, Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
No, they're good. I mean the mister Peg and Pig family.
I ended up buying a whole bunch to them, and
they're one of the toys I play with my grandchildren
with because they come in two sizes. There's mister and
Missus Peg they're large, and then the Peg children they're
half sized ones. Yea, they all look the same, but
they they've all got smiles on their faces and they're

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all lovely colors and a joy to play with.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Ah, very good, idea. You've opened my you you've furthered
my horizons this morning, given in a way that I
wasn't anticipating necessarily.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Yeah, how do you keep the clothes on the line?
On that case?

Speaker 7 (14:18):
You must?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Oh, no, this is okay, hang of all steal yourself
with this given. Yeah, we don't hang clothes on the
washing line.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
Oh no, for goodness sake, you don't find you don't
find the practice we.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Have we have I've got a clothes horse. I use
the clothes horse. And then we've got and I've got
a dryer. Yes, because my wife says that if we
hang the towels on the on the washing line, that
they get all crunchy, and she doesn't like crunchy towels.
You know, Okay, it's not as obviously not good for
your clothes or for the environmental for anyone. Really, I've

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got a very efficient dryer, but we still use the dryer.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
So I reckon. I reckon. A good old clothes line,
particularly a rotary clothes line, says the world. There are
people living in here.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
That's true, that's true, that's absolutely true. No, I do
I agree with you. Is it a key we thing,
the roadary clothes line?

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, well it might be probably.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I feel like that feels like the sort of thing
is going to be a New Zealand invention. Anyway, Kevin,
we will let you go and enjoy the weekend. Thank
you so much. That's that's so good. Here you go.
Gilly's messages us to say, Jack, Kevin, they are the
only clothes pigs I've ever bought. I'm just sad that
you can't get the colded ones. Anymore brilliant sunshine pigs
is Gilly.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Josh reckons that vogals peanut butter granola clusters deserve a
couple of Michelin Stars, and someone on the text is Jack.
When it comes to Michelon Star restaurants, it's important to
get the balance right. We went to one in Santiago
as a special birthday treat. It was all theater and honestly,
some of the food was awful, but like Emperor's new clothes,
everyone was just saying loudly how wonderful it was. It

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was a memorable night and we still laugh about it.
Thank you for that. Only two and only two. If
you want to send us a message this morning twenty
five past nine, Our sportos are next on News Talks.

Speaker 8 (16:04):
He'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Evy, here you go all the advice, floods and jet
You've got to hang the towels on the line and
then finish them for five minutes in the dry to
soften them up. That's a good option. Actually, Jack, you're lazy.
It's very good exercise. Hang out the clothes on the
washing line. I agree with Kevin on this, and Jack,
you've just lost any green credentials. I'm not sure that
I have any green credentials too. Honestly, you can smell

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the difference between solar and wind dried clothes and those
using the grid. Ah. Yeah, that's that's that's fair. It
does if you don't get it right, especially if the
dry is not right.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
It does.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
You know, they can't. It can be a bit. This
is that like hint of moisture that can be frustrating
A ninety ninety two. We'll get to more of your
text in a couple of minutes. Our sporter Andrew Saville
is here with us this morning. Keild Usavia, do you
hand clothes on the washing line?

Speaker 9 (16:59):
I hang them on clothes horses, Jack.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Right, laugh, Okay, no, no, no, we do the same thing.

Speaker 9 (17:04):
We use that in the sun.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Ye.

Speaker 10 (17:06):
Look, I would never having having you guys having a
little one. I'd never I would never cast suspursions you're
using a dry because sometimes you just have to write.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
We do, I would say, have an abnormally high especially yes, yes, yeah, yes,
but I I.

Speaker 10 (17:24):
Know this sound this is going to sound bloody weird,
But I do find it quite therapeutic hanging washing up.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Do you like on a on a washing line or.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
On a clothes horse or whatever you call those gadgets.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't relate
to that at all. I find dishes. I find dishes therapeutic,
but I don't find.

Speaker 9 (17:43):
Doing dishes or unloading the dishwasher.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
I like.

Speaker 9 (17:46):
I like hanging clothes and getting the angles right.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Oh, I see, yes, it must be. You must be
a joy to live with.

Speaker 9 (17:55):
I know how to have fun mates exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Another wild weekend at this goodness. Hey, let's start off
with the All Blacks. It's sort of it's been really
tricky to know how much to read into that performance
last week. Obviously, in the fallout, some of the injury
concern is front of mine, but given the red card
early in the game kind of fundamentally shifted the dynamics

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of the of the match. Am I being unfair?

Speaker 5 (18:21):
No? No?

Speaker 10 (18:21):
And I think the Irish wire ordinary too compared to
their normal standards. They had a young first five playing
and I think he is struggling to get the grips
with test match football, so that that's a that's an
issue for Ireland and maybe maybe some of their players
are just a little bit.

Speaker 9 (18:40):
On the downward slide.

Speaker 10 (18:42):
Look, the All Blacks played really well in the last
twenty minutes, but the rest of the game sort of
meandered its way through.

Speaker 9 (18:50):
So yeah, it is.

Speaker 10 (18:51):
It's hard to get a fix on this All Black
team again, which has been the case under Scott Robertson raally.
One week to have a blinder, the next week they lose,
or the next week they play some fairly confused football.

Speaker 9 (19:03):
I think.

Speaker 10 (19:04):
I think the big positive in Chicago Jack was, like
all Black teams of old, the bench came on and
really added something and powered their way through a team
late in the game with superior fitness and umph off
that bent. So looking for that again tomorrow morning. Here's
a couple of Here's a couple of stats to maybe

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have Scottish fans nervous. The overall record at Murrayfield and
one hundred years of playing test matches there in Edinburgh
fifty winning record at home, Oh my god, which sums
up Scottish rugby plucky. The old term plucky is often news,
but quite often they don't win much. They've never won
the Six Nations, the last time they won that event

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was when it was a five Nations tournament in nineteen
ninety nine. And did you realize the Scotts haven't toured
here for twenty five years.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
Wow, it's staggering, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (20:00):
We seem to We seem to play them every second
or third year in Edinburgh. So look, all in all,
and given the injuries and given the few changes to
your Blacks team, I would be shocked if the Scotts
score their first ever victory against your Blacks. Yeah, they
thump the US last week, but your Blacks would have
put a hundred on that US team. Yeah, they've got

(20:22):
some good They've got some good players. The Scotts at
the moment that I think they're better than they were,
say ten or fifteen years ago.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
We used to beat them on average thirty forty points.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
That's not the case these days.

Speaker 10 (20:33):
They've got Finn Russell at ten who's well regarded. He's
quite unattacking first five. So if they can get enough ball,
they might threaten. But I just think it's all black team.
The way they finished that game in Chicago will have
boosted the confidence end.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
No, I totally I agree with that. Hey, the first
derby of the New A League c.

Speaker 9 (20:50):
Year is tonight and we were looking forward to this.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Same.

Speaker 10 (20:55):
I'm actually looking forward to Jack to see the women's
Phoenix team under the Priestsman, the controversial coach who coached
Canada and there was the drones buying issue at the
Paris Olympics and she was dumped and then she's come
back to New Zealand and got this top job, well
regarded coach I think on the football pitch. So the

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Phoenix had a flat season. Lastly, the women's team. They
are one of the key shop windows for female football
in the country, so I'm looking forward to seeing how
they go and then the big game. I think it's
about seven o'clock FC against the female I reckon there'll
be a bit of spice, a bit of bite in
this game. There's a few players in there don't like

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each other, a few former Phoenix players and FC that
want to prove a few people wrong.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Orten.

Speaker 10 (21:45):
They have done their best to fire it up during
the week. I think the Phoenix has been a little
bit quiet on that front. It's always good to have
a bit of niggle before a derby game.

Speaker 9 (21:53):
So looking forward to this.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah, yeah, it should be great.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
All right, sir.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
We will let you get back to your angles on
your clothes horse and catch again very soon. Thank you, Sam.
That is our sport of Andrew Savage. The All Backs
kicking off against Scotland tomorrow morning, just after four o'clock.
I think four ten am is kickoff and that match.
Thank you very much for your feedback. Jack, appreciate the
pig chat this morning.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Towels are hard because people use too much washing powder.
It's the residue that makes them hard. Use a smaller
amount of washing powder, then a bit of baking soder,
bit of white vinegar leaves clothes soft and clean and
you don't get the awful soap powder smell and Harry
says Jack. Dry towels on the line or anything else,
and then a few minutes in the dry just to
finish them off, to relax the fibers. Gives you nice fresh,

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soft towels. Advice from a laundryman, says Harry. Thank you
for that hard all floods in this morning ninety two
ninety two. If you want to send us a text message,
got a couple of films to recommend at our film
section next right now it's twenty six to ten, twenty

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three to ten on Newstalks, it'd be That's Benny that
songs called Cinnamon So Hot off supporting the tours of
global pop stars Olivia Rodrigo and Tate McCrae. She's just
released album number two. It's a nice little, nice little number,
isn't it. Hey, thanks for your messages, Jack says regarding
you comments on Michelin Star restaurants this morning, Jack, so true.
It is about the people and the moments and enjoying

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great food together. Yeah, that's the thing about really good meals.
They're kind of the vehicle for great memories with friends
or family. Like that's that that they're kind of the
door or the realm through which you you have those memories. Ah,
thanks for that. So ninety two ninety two If you
want to send us a message. Francisca Rudkins, she's a
big fan of Michelin Star restaurants.

Speaker 8 (23:53):
Don't think I've ever been to one.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Really, no, never. Is it the sort of thing you
would if you if the Michelin Stars. So they've got
the Michelon Star restaurants coming here there, so would you
look at the list of Michelin Star restaurants, And would
that affect that if I.

Speaker 11 (24:06):
Was traveling and there was one place I'd really wanted
to go, then I would try and book. I mean,
obviously a lot of times you need to book into
these places months and months in advance, so I might
pick one try and pick one place and do a
special meal. But I think when I'm traveling, it's often
more about the you're trying to find some.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Food.

Speaker 11 (24:24):
You're just trying to find sort of quite authentic, affordable food,
to be honest with you, That's the way I travel.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
But what about if it's in New Zealand. I think it's.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Fantastic for the our local sheifts. I think they're amazing.

Speaker 11 (24:33):
And if they're going to be recognized on an international
level and it brings more people into into our restaurants
and it gives them some you know, could then I
think it's great. Although I don't understand why it costs
six point three million to bring it here, but never mind.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yes, I feel like that'd be good to explore, Like
how do you get a job with the Michelin people? Like,
how can it be your job just to roll around
and do that? That seems like a nice little.

Speaker 11 (24:54):
Yeah, you know, without anyone knowing, without anyone knowing who
you are in harassing you or anything.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Right that.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Yeah. Anyway, two films for us this week, so we're
going to start off with one that is showing in cinemas.
This is Bogonia.

Speaker 7 (25:07):
Welcome to the headquarters of your Human Resistance.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
Where's my hair?

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Your hair has been destroyed to prevent you from contacting
your ship, watch ship, your mothership Dad to day.

Speaker 11 (25:25):
So have you are you a fan of your goss? Lantimos,
the Greek author of the Greek filmmaker, Sorry.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (25:31):
I think the favorite Poor Things, like a lot of
people watch Poor Things when it came on to streaming services.
I think I might have even been on TV set
at one point, and most people I know who started
watching it said I couldn't finish it.

Speaker 8 (25:44):
He isn't a quiet taste.

Speaker 11 (25:46):
He is a unique He's an auteur as opposed to
just a film direct So you know, he's got his
own vision in his own way of telling stories, and he.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Does be quite divisive.

Speaker 11 (25:55):
It can be quite divisive. He likes to mix comedy
and horror and tragedy. He likes his actors to perform
in quite a dead pan way, in quite a detached
and then there'll be these sudden moments of violence or absurdity.
Often it can be quite bleak, but he does. Look
he sort of depicts the human condition in society and
things in such a unique way. I'll always catch one

(26:19):
of his films. Some I love more like the ones
that he has co written written himself. I think a
really cohesive like Dog Tooth, The Killing of the Sacred
Deer and The Lobster. Huge fan of.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Oh I saw the Lobster.

Speaker 11 (26:29):
Yeah yeah, huge fan of. And then of course he
became very well, yeah no, this is the thing.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
He's weird.

Speaker 11 (26:34):
So and then he became very well known with The Favorite,
which started Olia Coleman and got all the Oscar nominations.
So that's sort of you know. Anyway, So he is
back with this new film once again starring Emma Stone
who appeared in Poor Things, and I think she is
just really proving how fabulous she is as an actress
and what she can do in things.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
This one's another is.

Speaker 11 (26:56):
A film which is a little bit quirky. Look, it's
looking at the division in the world today, it's looking
at kind of lone wolfs and conspiracy theorists and the
fact that we don't listen to each other there anymore,
and there's kind of corporate greed and vole. So we've
got this lovely character, Teddy played by Jesse Plemons, and
along with his disabled cousin Don they believe that this person,

(27:20):
Michelle Fuller played by Emma Stone, the CEO of a
large pharmaceutical pharmaceutical company, is actually an alien spy who
has come to Earth to destroy humans, and that she
is going to be able to talk to her emperor,
to her boss and a couple of days time when
there is a lunar eclipse and they kidnap her in

(27:40):
order to hold her, you know, to ransom that she
convinces the emperor not to destroy humans. So it's a
little bit nutty. It's a little bit fatty. He is
a factory worker. He works in one of her factories.
It's clear there's been a lot of trauma in his life.
A cop turns up to apologize for something he did
to him in childhood and he's very blaxed about it.

(28:01):
So there's some clear signs that, you know, he's had
a lot to deal with in his life. Michelle, on
the other hand, is great because at first she's she's
full on. She is cold and clinical, and she is
all about, you know, the company and making money. And
so she said, you know that the company had had
a bit of bad press about you know, that people

(28:22):
work outs and how horrible it was to work. So
she says, she starts this new memory, and she says,
it's okay, I would like you all to finish work
at five o'clock if you think you've deserved it, you know.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Like, So she's great.

Speaker 11 (28:33):
So she's really cold and Sele when she's kidnapped, she
realizes that she doesn't know what they're talking about, right,
and then she realizes that maybe the best thing to
do is just to go along with these two and
that will help her escape and things, and off we go.
And the film is really clever because our sympathies kind
of switch allegiances between these characters, you know, are we
kind of you know with Michelle or she maybe we
were deady now and all o ca. So it's really interesting.

(28:54):
But this film is all about the ending and that
you will either love it or you will hate it,
and it is polarizing people an awful lot. I thought
it was brave and audacious and the film needed it.
I loved it. But people are some people are absolutely
hating it. So you have to go and sit through
this quirky thing and make up your own mind.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
That's very interesting indeed, all right. So that is Bogonia
that's showing in cinemas at the moment on Netflix. This
is ballad of a small player.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Macau, gambling capital of the universe.

Speaker 12 (29:29):
Here card games can change your life in an insta.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
My name is Doyle, Lord.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Doyle, and Lord Doyle sounds awfully like Colin Taril.

Speaker 11 (29:46):
It is, That's exactly how it is. And I was
drawn to this film on Netflix because I went to
Macaw I think when I was a teenager in the
mid late eighties.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (29:55):
No, my parents like to take us to interesting places
and I can remember it very very clearly, this Portuguese
influence and the gambling and the small casinos and things,
and of course I wouldn't recognize it now because it
is the Vegas of Asia, and so I was.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Intrigued to watch this film.

Speaker 11 (30:10):
And we are set very much within the casino world,
and it's both glamorous and not so glamorous, and we
see this. We see Macaw through the eyes of Lord Doyle,
who's a professional gambler. He's hit rock bottom. He owes
a lot of money to a hotel, he's stang in
and casinos and credit lenders and things. But he believes
that you can't keep losing.

Speaker 8 (30:31):
At some point.

Speaker 11 (30:31):
Statistically he has to win, right, So if you can
just get that win, he'll be okay till the Swinton
turns up as Betty, a character I couldn't quite get
my head around. She's quite cartoonish and she's clearly chasing
him for some debts that he owes in the UK
as well. And it's pretty obvious from the beginning that
Lord Doyle isn't quite who he thinks and says he is.

(30:52):
So this all sort of unravels, But it's really the
story of a man who kind of at rock bottom,
sort of discovers he has a conscience and wants to
kind of do the right thing and redeem himself somehow.
I've got a bit lost in this film, to be
honest with you. I thought it was a overwrought. It's
very stylized visually. I got a bit sick of just
seeing Colin Farrell sweating a lot, you know, you know,

(31:14):
it was just it all just like everything had just
been pushed and I think that's what it's supposed to do.

Speaker 8 (31:18):
I think they're trying to push everything up.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
But he's a lost soul.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
Unfortunately, I just didn't really care too much for him.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Very good. That is Ballad of a small Player. So
that one's on Netflix. Bogonia is in cinemas now, and
all the details for those films are going to be
on the news talks. He'd be website.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
It is called a teen Saturday Morning with Jack Team
keeping the conversation going through the weekend US Talks.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
He'd be how about this, Jack, I won a holiday
to the Sunshine Coast after buying Sunshine Pigs a few
years ago. All expenses paid, Gray Holiday. Fantastic Jack. Sunlight,
says Amanda after using a stain remover, is guaranteed to
make stubborn stains disappear. Also, ultra violent light is antibacterial.
There we go. Everyone's got their tips this morning. Appreciate

(32:02):
it ninety two ninety two. If you want to send
us a message, Cook Nicky Wicks is here with this morning.
I'm sure She's got some thoughts on Michelin starred restaurants.
Good morning Nikki.

Speaker 13 (32:11):
Good morning Jack.

Speaker 14 (32:12):
Yes, big week, big week for our hospitality sector.

Speaker 13 (32:16):
I'd say, I mean it's a great thing.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah, I can. Our Brown made some interesting comed It's
just about the kind of pressure that can put on
on on chefs and restaurants, and I can I can
appreciate that. I can see how that would you know,
how that might influence you and kind of, you know,
wigh on you and hang over you. I remember talking
to Matt Lamb but about that, the kind of pressure
that comes with the expectations sometimes. But yeah, at the
same time, if it means that, you know, it gives

(32:40):
a bit of a boost to our hospital scene. I
think there's probably probably Yeah.

Speaker 14 (32:44):
And I have sat for so long that we have
such incredible dining in this country, you know, up and
down the length of the country, and our food really
does stand up there in terms of any of the
wonderful meals that I've had overseas. And I and I
feel as though it's great to have an international standard.
Whether or not that's the standard we want, I don't know,
but I think it'll be great. I also think that

(33:07):
if our chiefs can get their head around it, they
can control that sort of fissure themselves too, you know,
I think I think it's a good thing. I did
love what you said about us being free casual. So yes,
I have dined in a couple of Michelin Star restaurants,
one and Lyon and one in San Sebastian, and both
were very stuffy and you know, very sort of fine
dining in.

Speaker 13 (33:26):
The food was extraordinary.

Speaker 14 (33:27):
But I'm really looking forward to the fact that these
judges will see that New Zealand can bring that sort
of level of cuisine but in perhaps a more relaxed
which doesn't mean.

Speaker 13 (33:37):
As slack or you know, bad service kind of environments.
So yeah, I'm looking.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Forward to it.

Speaker 9 (33:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
So I've been jiggling my strawberries very very thoughtfully, because
we need a bit of term for that anything that's
got no ideas about that, you know what I mean though, right,
And when you move your storberries just a little bit
so they don't you do so, which means they and
they are just right now, like I reckon this afternoon,
I'm probably gonna have my first strawberries of the season.

Speaker 13 (34:01):
I love it. If you got them covered. So the
birdst Oh, I love it.

Speaker 15 (34:05):
I love it.

Speaker 13 (34:05):
God.

Speaker 14 (34:05):
Well, look you know, I mean I love strawberries, but
I think unfortunately they do appear on our shelves too
early to be really great.

Speaker 13 (34:13):
So I actually think that.

Speaker 14 (34:14):
Strawberries have got a struggle on their hands for popularity
because there's so many other great berries these days. And really,
strawberries get really good end of November December purely in
the shops. Until then, they can be a little bit
white on the inside, they can be a little bit chewy,
a little bit I don't know, it's a little bit
lacking in flavors.

Speaker 13 (34:32):
So at this time of the year, I.

Speaker 14 (34:34):
Am buying punnets of them, and I like to rather
than jiggle them, I pop them in a pan and
roast them.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Yeah, because that way, oh, it.

Speaker 13 (34:44):
Really brings the sunshine into them. It's great. So look,
you can you can either roast them or do them
on the stovetop.

Speaker 14 (34:49):
But the thing is, when you're cooking strawberries is you
want to cook them until they just slump a little.
You don't want to cook them to oblivion because they
sort of swell up and go very mushy. So roasting
is probably the safest option here. I don't know oven
on one hundred and eighty something like that. In a pan,
I've used a tablespoon of brown or white sugar juice
from an orange in there. You could use a lemon
as well, and then plenty of vanilla. I've got some

(35:11):
old old vanilla pods that I brought back years ago
from Vietnam I think declared them.

Speaker 13 (35:17):
Have them, scrape the seeds out and put.

Speaker 14 (35:19):
That in the pan with them as well, and oh,
it just really intensifies the flavor of them. I've given
you lots of different serving suggestions for these. I love
them spooned over breosh toast or on a toasted croissant
that's also been swiped with a nice big heap of
fresh ricotta in a bowl, of course, with some ice

(35:39):
cream that makes sense. But a lick of balsamic vinegar,
believe it or not, or a grind of black pepper
and some crushed haazelnuts is amazing.

Speaker 13 (35:47):
Those two flavors. Those flavors go really well with strawberries.

Speaker 14 (35:51):
Maybe fill some bought grapes or some homemade crapes with
these cooled strawberries with some chopped pistachios, but a Greek yogurt,
bit of whipped cream, and then I love to buy
a terrible sponge cake from the supermarket, or make your
own homemade bask cheesecake or sponge cake, but you know either,
or top it with a whole lot of beautiful whipped

(36:12):
cream or Musca pony and then put these, you know,
just spoon these beautiful, drizzly kind of cooled roasted strawberries
on top, and you've just got a winning dessert.

Speaker 13 (36:22):
So so many things you can do with.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Them, Jack, It sounds so good and very easy, very easy.
You could just that in no time, right, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (36:30):
Absolutely, and you won't be sorry.

Speaker 14 (36:32):
They'll just taste like you know, round about you know, January,
the strawberries are starting to jemmy just by themselves.

Speaker 13 (36:38):
But at the moment we've got to give them.

Speaker 15 (36:39):
A little bit of help.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (36:41):
Yeah, So you keep jiggling, and I can't wait till
you first take you know, you taste that first strawberry,
because it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Oh, I know, it's such a good feeling. Hey, Carol's
just text us to say she just put your strawberry
and vanilla shortcake in the oven. Tell you what this
would be good on top of that, wouldn't it My goods.

Speaker 14 (36:55):
To strawberry recipes and canvas today, So I'm all about
the strawberries.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Looks fantastic. Hey, thanks so much. We'll make sure that
recipe for Nicky's roasted vanilla strawberries is up the news talks.
He'd be websites. So if your strawberries are ready for enjoying,
like Minor, you can start getting into it seven to
ten on news Talks.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
He'd be giving you the inside scoop on all you
need to know Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Refreshing the strawberries, rotating your strawberries, reviving your strawberries. Now,
it's not quite right. Maybe I'm the only one who
does it. I just think I've had there's so many
bad experiences with my strawberries over the years where you
just leave them a little bit too long and maybe
they've got contact with the ground, there's a little bit
of moisture or whatever, and then they get a kind

(37:44):
of big rotten spot. So I've I've got a little
straw down and I'm going out each morning and just
just kind of subtly moving them just a little bit,
you know, kind of so they don't get bedsaws. I
need to find a bit of word for it. Anyway,
we'll get to more of your feedback after ten o'clock
this morning. As well as that, we're going to tell
you about this new show called The Heck. It is

(38:05):
a drama tells the story of the incredible phone hacking
story in the UK that I know is not just
fascinating for those of us who work in journalism, but
fascinating for people everywhere, given some of the names who
were caught up in that. And don't forget of course,
our feature interview right after the ten o'clock News this morning,
best selling author Michael Conley is going to be with us.

(38:26):
He has just from this amazing new book that talks
about some of the big problems that may be coming
down the line very soon with the likes of big
tech and artificial intelligence. So he's going to be with
us to tell us about his new book and tell
us about surviving the la fires because his neighborhood was

(38:46):
caught up in the fires. People he knew were caught
up in the fires. So he'll be with us very shortly.
It's almost ten o'clock. Bob News is next to you
with Jack Tame. It's Saturday Morning on News Talk Zed.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Be cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with
Jack Tame, News talksb.

Speaker 16 (39:29):
Mord Any.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
You were jac Taim on News Talk z'b our feature
interview this morning is author Michael Conley, one of the
world's most beloved thriller authors. He's created in depth universes
around well known characters like Mickey Haller and the Lincoln
Lawyer and Harry Bosh, and his narrative tellings continue to expand.
His new book, The Proving Ground sees how a team

(39:49):
up with a journalist to take on big tech AI
and uncover a whistleblower and hiding all with billions of
dollars at stake. Michael Conley is with us this morning, Kelder,
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Glad to be here.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
It is a great pleasure to be speaking with you
about The Proven Ground. It really feels like you have
taken on what is set to be the issue of
the time. So tell us how did you get interested
in artificial intelligence?

Speaker 17 (40:19):
Well, I think I have a history of being interested
in technological advances.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
And you know, for every great.

Speaker 17 (40:30):
Discovery and invention and move forward with technology, there's always
somebody out there who is looking to turn it against us,
you know. So I usually use my reporter Jack McVoy
that character to explore this stuff. And I've done the
Internet and DNA analytics and data storage datata and you know,

(40:52):
so AI was like kind of prime for me, I think.
And there was a couple of cases that really caught
my eye that made me, you know, say, yeah, I
know AI is going to change the world for the better,
but are we moving too fast or is there is
there you know, should we really understand what's going on
out there? And these involved young people being yeah, encouraged,

(41:17):
I guess is the right word, Uh, to do things
that were really bad, like harm themselves or harm others.
And uh, they they broken the news a couple of
years ago, and so it started there. And then in
the process of writing this book, things like this, we're
breaking in the news almost every week, and so it's
kind of become come to a head at the moment

(41:39):
and uh uh So you know, the proving Ground is
an exploration of it. You know, I don't want to
say it's didactic didactic or tells anyone how to think,
But it does you know, maybe uh raise a flag
and say, take a look at this.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Well, I think it, Yeah, I think it explores some
of the inherent ethical complexity that comes with the technology, right,
and so how do you how do you think about
that ethical complete with some of the other technological subjects
that you focused on in the past, because, like you say,
this is not the first time you've you've had your

(42:15):
eye kingly focused on the technology of the moment.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (42:19):
I mean, as I said before, I usually use this
journalist character that I've created, but this time where I
found out about these incidences were usually through the filing
of lawsuits, and so it struck me as something that
should be in Mickey Haller's court. And of course I
bring Jack McAvoy into it as a lesser character, because

(42:43):
that's what I've been doing with him in the past.
But yeah, it just seemed like the construct of a
courtroom where both sides have a say, you know, and
you can hopefully build some tension and surprises and things
like that. It just seemed perfect for that that stage,

(43:03):
that that square room, and it added A couple of
years ago, the last time I wrote about Mickey Haller
was in a book called Resurrection Walk and it ended
with him saying, I have to find a pivot. I
have to move in another direction, and so that it
played into that. And so the case in the proving

(43:24):
ground is not a criminal case. He's not defending anybody.
He's on the offensive. He's calls himself a public interest
lawyer now and so he finds a case and he
files it and it's against a big tech company. So
you know, it just all worked out perfectly. Not only
was this what's going on in our world the right time,

(43:47):
but it was also the right time in my fictional
world with this character or.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
With this characters. And this is what you were just
alluded to. So you have Mickey Holler and you have
Jack McAvoy, who are usually in their own worlds, and
I appreciate that it's to some extent the same kind
of fictional world. But taught me through the decision process
to get characters who have been isolated in series in
the past and then and then bring them together like this.

(44:15):
Is there is there ever any any tension there is
that is that ever you know a kind of you know,
is that a difficult thing for you?

Speaker 5 (44:22):
To do.

Speaker 17 (44:24):
You mean, like, did they take Jack aside and say, hey, look,
you're not gonna be.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're gonna be You're gonna be rolling
to Mickey's batman this time around.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah, not really.

Speaker 17 (44:36):
I mean I've been doing it, as you said, you know,
for other characters, and I just thought, you know.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Mickey is kind of in the new proving ground, if
you will.

Speaker 17 (44:48):
He's uh uh, you know, he used to knowing how
to cut corners and how things work in a criminal court,
but this is new for him, and I thought he
could have he should have, you know, some major backup,
and who else but Jack McAvoy, would you know. I

(45:08):
think it was very believable that Jack shows up and says,
I want to write about this case.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
But I think I can help you as well.

Speaker 17 (45:14):
Yeah, And it goes from there and Jack does do
some good work and gets a major get in this case.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I think.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
So as part of this writing process, you know your
community experienced those extreme fires. How did you personally feel
affected by seeing the scale of the devastation.

Speaker 17 (45:36):
I you know, if you live here and love the place,
it affected you. I mean, but it is a vast place,
so you know, I had some experiences with it. I was,
what do you call it, evacuated from this house where
I'm talking to you from. I had another house that
burned to the ground, you know, so it's hard not
to know someone who's affected. I mean, you know, I'm

(45:58):
involved in a couple of TV shows and literally dozens
of the people and the crews and in the cat
lost their homes, lost everything.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
I feel I was luckier than others.

Speaker 17 (46:11):
And then some people didn't affect at all in terms
of their home.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
And so forth.

Speaker 17 (46:17):
But if you lived here, it affected you because you know,
you knew it was a deep wound to this community.
And like I said, I don't think there's anybody who
doesn't know somebody who wasn't directly affected. I mean almost
ten thousand homes were gone.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Ye, so.

Speaker 17 (46:34):
Yeah, yeah, so it's had a deep effect. And that,
you know, in terms of me being a writer and
a writer who wrongly or rightly is kind of expected
to be a voice of LA I had to back up,
start over and put it into the story, but hopefully
not in an exploitive way, by in a way that

(46:56):
would kind of show Basically I tried to use one
person as a metaphor for the city, and what she
goes through is what the city's going through.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
How has it changed you A post speak of saying,
you know, such a developed city rendered so vulnerable to
mother nature like that.

Speaker 17 (47:17):
I mean, I think in some ways we've always known that.
I mean because we live in you know where earthquakes
could shake the whole place to the ground at any time.
So we know we're vulnerable. And it's a balance of
the beauty and freedom you feel here and but knowing
you know around the corner or at any minutes, things

(47:39):
can change. I mean, I don't know, it should try
to show. I mean, like this is a beautiful place.
I am so lucky I get to live here and
that's my window.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yeah, and uh and and.

Speaker 17 (47:49):
There's always been because of past things like major earthquakes
and we've had fires before, even riots, there's been a
built in resilience that you feel about this place. And
so even though this was quite devastating, you know, I
wrote an essay within a couple.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Of weeks saying, like, I know we'll be back. We built,
build back.

Speaker 17 (48:12):
That's what we do in LA And you know that's
a community thing that you know, it's not just la
if this happened to any place, you know, hurricanes in Florida,
which I have experienced with. You know, it's the it's
the human and this of it that that you know,
humans have some kind of ability to shake it off,

(48:33):
rebuild and move on.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
So Michael, you're just showing me the view out of
your window through your zoom link right now. It looks incredible. Yeah,
like you say, a beautiful part of the world. You're
listening to Jack Tame. I'm speaking with author Michael Conley
about the Proving Ground his latest book. Michael, you said
a few minutes ago that you think, on balance, AI

(48:55):
has some amazing present, some amazing opportunities to the world
that it's net positive. But how do you feel about
the state of AI regulation. This is the technology as
it stands, and the power that is concentrated within a
few big take barons in their companies.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the key, and that's usually
where I come in.

Speaker 17 (49:22):
You know, like I was writing about the DNA analytics
before the government had any regulation on it, and it
was like, you know, it was the wild West. Well,
the AI is now the wild West. You know, there's
no government oversight. So it's become this very competitive business
with billions of dollars at stake. And yes, they're the

(49:43):
advancements and improvements are especially in the fields of medicine
and so forth, are just just phenomenal. And overall this
is going to improve the world. I believe that. But
I just think, as Mickey Holler says in this, you
need more guardrails, you need more overwatch to make sure

(50:04):
some company trying to make a billion dollars off of
chat pot is not giving a chat pot coded by
thirty year old men to thirteen year old girls or boys.
You know, it's there's a lot of common sense that
hasn't come into play yet. And and you know, if
any if there's any flag raised by this book, and

(50:27):
I even hesitate to say that because it's a thriller
and I am in but it does explore, you know,
what's going on in society, but hopefully without me being
preaching about it. I mean maybe Mickey preaches about it
in is closing arguments, But you know, I just think,
come on, guys, think about what you're doing and what

(50:48):
you're whose hands you're putting stuff into.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, yeah, I will said, Hey, thank you so much
for your time, Micha, We really appreciate it. Congratulations on
the Proving Ground. I hope, given your prolific nature, that
you do allow yourself to put down the pin every
now and then and have a little bit of a break.
But yeah, it really is from so we really appreciate
your time.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Oh thanks for having me. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
That is Michael Connolly. The Proving Ground, the eighth book
in Michael's Lincoln Lawyer series is out now and all
the details will be on the news talks. He'd be
website now before we leven o'clock. On news talks, he'd
be We're going to catch up with our personal finance experts.
She has been comparing some of the big deals being
offered by credit card companies at the moment. There have
been some movement on the credit card front, and some

(51:32):
of them are offering what can sound like pretty seductive
specials and opportunities. But she just has a word of warning,
so she's going to join us with that very shortly.
Speaking of money, Elon Musk could be the world's first trillionaire. Yay,
so a textbook will tell us what that is going
to mean for his various big projects very shortly mixed

(51:54):
up though. If you're looking for something good to watch
from the comfort of your couch this weekend, it's our
screen Time segment, three shows to recommend for you to
watch or stream at home. Right now, it's twenty past ten.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with
Jack Dame News Talks EV.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Thank you very much for your messages this morning. Good
morning Jack, says David. Wonderful interview with Michael Connolly this morning.
I've read more than twenty of his books, which are
always riveting with contemporary issues worked in regards. Yeah, you're
gonna love this one, David. Thank you for that. Ninety
two ninety two. If you want to send us a
message this morning, it is screen Time time on your
Saturday morning. That's when Tara Reward, our screen time expert,

(52:36):
joins us every week with three shows to recommend for
watching or streaming at home. Get a Tara morning that.

Speaker 18 (52:42):
Good morning, Lee.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
It's begin with a new show on TV and Z Plus.
It starts tomorrow. It's called The Hack.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (52:50):
This is a new British drama based on a true
story about one of the biggest media scandals of recent Times.
It starts David Tennant and it's about the investigation into
the phone hacking at the News of the World, where
the newspaper hired private investigators to illegal hack the phone
messages of celebrities and politicians and people in the news

(53:10):
as a way of getting news stories. And David Tennant
plays Nick Davies, who's a journalist for The Guardian. He
gets a tip off about the hacking and digs into
this story and we see how the impact that the
story has on his life. But there's also a second
storyline that starts in the second episode, where Robert Carlile
plays a police detective who's investigating a murder cold case.

(53:33):
And the two storylines do feel quite different, but they're
going to come together at some point. And this is
written by Jack Thorne, who wrote Adolescents and Toxic Town,
so we're in safe hands here and he's injected a
lot of energy into the story. There's a lot of
breaking the fourth wall and talking directly to the camera
and some surreal elements, which makes what is quite a

(53:56):
big and complex and detailed story feel quite alive. It's
also got a great British cast, Toby Jones, Catherin, Kelly
Eve Miles also star lots familiar faces if you watch
a lot of British dramas, and a bit like mister
Bates in the Post Office. This is one of those
real life stories that will get under your skin and

(54:16):
make you mad and shock you. And David Tennant just
captures your attention straight away and just holds the whole
thing together.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Okay, that's the hack. It's on TVNZ Plus from tomorrow
on Netflix. Death by Lightning.

Speaker 18 (54:30):
Yeah, this is another show based on a true story,
but quite different and not a show I was expecting
to enjoy it. Almost didn't talk about this one today,
but I really liked this. I was really intrigued by it.
This is an American historical drama set in the eighteen
eighties and it's about two men. One is James Garfield,
who rose from political obscurity to become the twentieth President

(54:52):
of the United States, and another is Charles Gattow, who
went on to assassinate James Garfield. And I think why
I enjoyed this so much is because of the cast.
Matthew mcfatgen plays Charles Gattow, who is this shady figure
he's a liar and a gammer, and he decides he's
going to become Garfield's most trusted ally. And if you've
seen Matthew mcfagin in Succession, you'll know how good he

(55:14):
is at playing deluded losers, and he's playing another one here.
I just wanted him to be in every scene. And
Michael Shannon plays James Garfield, who was only president for
a few months before he was shot. And you've also
got all this political maneuvering going on in the background
and his party as well. With actors like Bradley Whitford
and Nick Offerman and Betty Gilpin. The cast is just

(55:36):
full of actors who know what they're doing and are
all just brilliant together. I came to this not knowing
anything about the story, and I'm really looking forward to
finishing it. There's only four episodes, but it's full of
style and energy and humor. There's a lot of really
great facial here in this as well. All these men
have really big, impressive beds, so they're really leaned into

(55:59):
the period detail of this. It's a great watch.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Okay, So that's Death by Lightning. It's on Netflix and
on three now, playing Gracie Darling.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (56:09):
This is our new Australian dark mystery series that stars
New Zealand actor Morgan O'Reilly, who is fantastic in this
as she is in everything. She plays a woman called
Jonie who is haunted by the disappearance of her best friend.
When they were teenagers, they were having a seance which
went wrong and her friend disappeared afterwards. Fast forward twenty
seven years and Joanie is now a psychologist living in

(56:31):
the city when there is another disappearance in the same place,
same family, same small town, involving another teenager who was
playing the game of having a seance, and so Joanie
decides to revisit the town and try and work out
what has happened and has to confront her past and
the loss of her friend. In a lot of ways,
this feels quite familiar. You've got your small town, you've

(56:53):
got lots of secrets, you've got a really compelling heroine.
But this is a bit more spookier and more haunting
than other Australian mysteries. It's not a horror, but it's
got a darker, more supernatural vibe to it. But bungeable,
very watchable, quite moody and beautifully shot as well.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Nice, okay, cool. So that's playing Gracie Darling. That is
on three now, Death by Lightnings on Netflix, and The
Hack is on TV and Z Plus. From tomorrow, all
of those shows will be up on the News talks
'd Be website. Hey, thank you very much for your
text and emails throughout the morning. We've had communications on
all manner of subjects, as we always do on Saturday mornings.

(57:30):
You know that we love variety on the show, and
I've had several messages which I really appreciate, congratulating me
on a new gig which you may or may not
have seen, that I am set to take up very soon.
So starting in a few weeks time, I'm going to
be reading the news a couple of nights a week
for TV one, so one News at six o'clock I
will be reading. Mazz has took me a note to say, Jack, congratulations.

(57:54):
I never really liked you at first, but like a
fine wine, I think we're both matured, and I think
we're both grown and to better people. Looking forward to
seeing you on the box Bore. Thank you, muz. I'm
going to choose to appreciate that message very much. And
for those of you who have sent me a message
wondering if it means I won't be doing the show
next year, good news. It was really really important to

(58:16):
me that I could still continue to be on Saturday
mornings on News Talks HEB. I love doing the show.
It's an absolute standout highlight for my week. So I'm
going to continue doing this show. I'm going to continue
hosting Q and A for TV one, and I'll be
reading the news a couple of nights a week. I
know it sounds crazy, but I have managed to kind
of structure my working week so that I can fit

(58:37):
everything in and still have plenty of time with the family.
In fact, I'm cautiously optimistic that I'll actually have more
time with the family than I currently do, so prove
of the puddings and the eating and all of that.
But yeah, really pleased and really appreciate your messages.

Speaker 2 (58:56):

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks HEB.

Speaker 19 (59:04):
Two days, it's going to be the day that they're
gunna throw it back to you. By now, you should
have somehow realize what you gotta do. I don't believe
that anybody feels the way I do about you now?

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Backbea the words down the street that the fire in your.

Speaker 17 (59:29):
Heart is out.

Speaker 19 (59:32):
I'm sure you've heard it of before, but you never
really had it out. I don't believe that anybody feels.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
The way I do about you now A damp bound
pick it down bound, but down man. All right, Oh,
you've probably heard this a fear bit lately, but I'll
tell you what. You're not hearing it as much as
the Aussies are hearing it right now. This is runs
through some numbers, so forty one shows, seventeen cities, thirteen
countries over five months, and estimated four million people have

(01:00:05):
attended the Oasis World Tour. And those are just the
ones who are lucky enough to get tickets. Fourteen million
people from one hundred and fifty eight countries tried to
get their name on a seat, all with the hopes
that the Gallagher brothers would stay friendly, well, stay amicable,
just long enough to make it to the stage in
their respective city, and that they have done. I mean,

(01:00:28):
there was a hell of a punt as far as
I was concerned. The moment they announced this tour, the
final gig of the reunion tour with Liam and Old
Gallagher is tonight in see me. Our music correspondent is
over there this weekend taking in the parker wearing crowds
and it's going to join us before midday for a
vibe check on one of the biggest world tours in

(01:00:49):
music history. It really is extraordinary. I had mates, like
a lads group who are there. They said to me,
We've got a ticket with your name on it if
you can make it, and I just I just thought
it might be a bridge too far, shimming up to
my better half and say, hey, I'm just gonna I'm
not going to pop over to Australia with the lads

(01:01:12):
to see Oasis. You'll be all good with the boys,
won't you just for a couple of nights. Yeah, maybe
not right now. Anyway, it does look incredible, So really
looking forward to catching up with our music correspondent but
for midday to get his thoughts on the Oasis world
to ahead of that final gig this evening in Sydney
before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden. Our man in

(01:01:32):
the garden has his tips on feeding your plants the
right stuff at this time of year is the weather
starts to heat up. Our textberts in in a couple
of minutes. Right now, it's twenty six to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Is Trent Tariff's a Supreme Court and the potential fallout
if you can't convince the justices. Bill Rynch is a
former United States Undersecretary for Commas for Industry and Security.
Would you expect the Supreme Court to rule against the administration?

Speaker 15 (01:01:58):
Hard to tell.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
My current thinking is yes, they probably will go against
the president, either five to four or maybe six to three.

Speaker 20 (01:02:05):
Okay, if they do, they are refunds going to be
the outworking or is that not real?

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Well, under the law they should be provided the administration
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Trump may not want to give them money back, but
if the.

Speaker 9 (01:02:17):
Justice's rule that the terrorists were illegally collected, they he'll
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Speaker 20 (01:02:22):
Monday from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a
Vida Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Twenty three minutes to eleven, non news talks. dB Elon
Musk is on track to become the world's first trillionaire.
That's one thousand billions and billions, of course, being one
thousand millions, it's extraordinary, isn't it. So Tesla's shareholders have
overwhelmingly approved his remarkable pay package. Paul stan House is

(01:02:48):
our text bird. He's here with the details.

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
It's a pretty penny, it really is.

Speaker 22 (01:02:53):
I mean, it's a similar number that you must have
been talking with the TVZ, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Jack famously famously you know, the New Zealand media, famously
wealthy at the moment, and a famously good financial position.
So yes, you can imagine. Yeah, okay, good, good to know.

Speaker 22 (01:03:09):
No, it's a crazy number, isn't it, Because it just
it's it's unimaginable.

Speaker 15 (01:03:16):
The guy's already worth five.

Speaker 22 (01:03:17):
Hundred million dollars and this is probably going to be
the thing that takes them to that trillion.

Speaker 15 (01:03:23):
I mean, he's got a bunch of.

Speaker 22 (01:03:24):
Other things in the works that will help take him
there too, But this pay package alone, this pay package
is worth a trillion.

Speaker 15 (01:03:30):
Dollars by itself.

Speaker 22 (01:03:32):
He needs to do a lot though, in order for
him to get that trillion dollars, and we're talking delivering
twenty million Tesla vehicles and a million robots. He has
to get ten million subscriptions to Tesla's full driving car features.
He has to get a million self driving robotaxis into
commercial operation. He's got to get four hundred billion dollars

(01:03:55):
in core profit for the company. And this is the
big one. He has to raise the valuation of the
company from his current one point four trillion dollars to
eight point five trillion dollars.

Speaker 15 (01:04:07):
So not exactly an easy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Task, no, no, okay, So yeah, there are a lot
of expectations. Nevertheless, if he pulls that off, he will.
I mean, it is just a fantastical kind of sum,
isn't it that you know that Networth? Hey, Australia is
going to force the big streamers to make Australian content.
Australia has been kind of out there and trying to
push back against some of the big digital companies of

(01:04:32):
the age. But this is an interesting move.

Speaker 15 (01:04:35):
Yeah, big time.

Speaker 22 (01:04:36):
They've been big on a bunch of these kind of things.
As you say, they really went toe to toe with
them about the newspapers as well and the access to
news content and paying publishers too. And so this one
is going to be focused on the biggest streamers around.
So if you just happen to create a streaming service
and trying to get off the ground.

Speaker 15 (01:04:54):
You don't have to worry about this, not that we're
doing that ourselves.

Speaker 22 (01:04:58):
But if you're the likes of the netflixes and the
Disney pluses and the Amazon Prime Videos, and you have
more than a million Australian subscribers, then you will be
part of this law or be looked at as part
of this law.

Speaker 15 (01:05:11):
And you need to spend at least ten percent.

Speaker 22 (01:05:14):
Of all of the money that you're currently spending in
Australia on content, or seven point five percent of all
the revenue you bring in from your astranding customers, whicheveryone
is greater, and that can be then spent on dramas,
children's TV, documentary arts, educational programs. There's no stipulation on
what percentage that needs to be. You just have to

(01:05:36):
actually spend the money. And it isn't the first time
this bill was actually brought about. Actually, Jack the Osies
wanted to do this back in twenty twenty four, but
they were a little concerned about the US presidential election
on what might happen there, and then they later feared
that Donald Trump could use it as part of their
tariff negotiations. He has been pretty hot on Hollywood foreign

(01:05:58):
films getting tariffs.

Speaker 15 (01:05:59):
I think you put one hundred.

Speaker 22 (01:06:00):
Percent on non Hollywood made or non American made, you
are films in the United States. So I'm sure that
this was part of their calculation.

Speaker 23 (01:06:10):
But it's a really interesting move, especially because there are
if you think about the New Zealand media landscape, there
are already provisions around, you know, local content and supporting
local content that Australia is taking to that next step.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Absolutely, I was fascinating. Hey, thanks so much, Paul. Paul
Standhouse is our expert with us this morning before eleven.
We're in the garden right now. It is nineteen minutes
to eleven. Our personal finance expert with a word of warning. Next.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News talks at me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
The weather is getting warmer, the strawberries are getting jiggled,
and what seven or eight weeks from Christmas, which means
that spending season is fast approaching, and that too means
that the allure of credit cards for many is stronger
than ever. Our personal finance expert, Lisa Dudson is here
with us this morning with a bit of a word

(01:07:10):
of warning, Lisa at this time of year.

Speaker 24 (01:07:13):
Morning, Jack, that's that doesn't sound like we're off to a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Good start, as you know, here to scold us. You're
just here to just to gently nudge us in the
right direction towards good decisions.

Speaker 24 (01:07:24):
Absolutely, so, definitely a tough time a year, right because
I guess, but particularly after the last couple of years,
a lot of us have been doing it fairly tough,
and you know, the bank accounts are probably a little
bit on the on the skinny side at the moment,
and I guess, you know, there is that temptation to
be getting out there and buying things for your holiday
break and for Christmas Day and for gifts, and then

(01:07:46):
wake up in January and I tink your credit card
bill and have a bit.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Of a shock.

Speaker 24 (01:07:51):
So I was trying to find a bit of a
balance to that, and I think that probably the best
way to do that is to give yourself a budget
and do a bit of planning on it, because I
think what a lot of us do is we're getting
a bit of a flat and we run around, you know,
and I'm all just a few days for Christmas, think
oh my gosh, you know what am I going to buy?
And you know you're often overspend and not think things through.
So it's just you know, it's a bit painful. I

(01:08:12):
get it, you know, but just sitting down and going, well,
what can I for forward? And you know, think about
who I need to buy for and what makes sense.
And the other really good thing that I think is
interesting is we buy a lot of stuff for people
that they don't really need or they don't really want,
because we feel that we need to give them a gift.
But what about a gift of spending time with them,

(01:08:33):
a gift of you know, babysitting so you know they
can get out with their partner. You know, what about
consolidating gifts within a family so you just find one
person family. So there's a lot of smart ways that
you can cut down, you know, your expenditure at this
time of the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Year absolutely, because honestly, I reckon that people are generally
on the same page with that. Like even in our family,
for example, we just go like, for because there are
increasing numbers of kids, right, and so we just say
instead of all the auntles, uncles and aunts giving you
a gift separately, or just do it like a combined
in something and it'll be like a board game or
something like that that everyone can play, you know, which

(01:09:10):
kind of makes sense.

Speaker 24 (01:09:12):
Yeah, totally. And then you get something that's probably a
little bit more useful, and then you know it's part
of me the GREENI and they says, you know, all
these toys that you know, the kids play for five
minute flat and then they landfall exactly. I don't think
it's particularly helpful either, but I think it. But they
also you know, you would have had a discussion in
your family and planned for that, right, So it comes

(01:09:34):
back to that planning and actually being organized, so you
know you're starting to deal with it now and not
week for Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Yeah. So for credit cards, that means, I mean, making
a decision like that will obviously mean a little less
pressure on your credit card than you might otherwise have.
But what are the kinds of things to just keep
an eye on heading into the silly spending season.

Speaker 24 (01:09:56):
Well, it's interesting with credit cards because I think the
first critic had came out by ANX and something like
nineteen eight off the top of my head, and it
was called your flexible friend, right, and the irian of
that kind of a news and you know, because they're
awesome because they are super flexible, but on the other
side of it, they're pretty painful when you don't have
the money to pay for it or you're paying a
twenty percent interest on it. And I think, you know it,

(01:10:19):
possibly a better way of dealing it with it is
actually saying, okay, well, my budget's five hundred dollars. Pick
a number, and you go to the ATM and you
take out five hundred dollars. It's in cash if you can,
and then you know you've got you got the tangible
cash to spend and sometimes a get with more challenging
spending it today than what it used to be with
everyone using cards or use a debit card, because there

(01:10:41):
is a lot of research that says that if you
use cash as opposed to credit, you spend about twenty
percent less.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Right, that's interesting, Ah, that's that's a lot less. That
is like twenty percent.

Speaker 24 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, well, but you know you take that over
the course of a year any more subsequently many years.
It's well, because you think about it. When it's cash,
it's like there's a physicality to it. Right, and it's
in your in your wallet whereas you happening, and these
days literally is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
A tap, right, so yeah, it's increasingly frictionless.

Speaker 24 (01:11:12):
Yes, yes, that's right. And then you know that has
a has a cost at the end of the day,
so you know, taking out cash, I think is a
really great way to manage it if you can do that.
But it really it just comes down to, you know, planning. Yeah,
you know, it's that kind of it's that kind of
boring word. Really at the end of the day, planning, budgeting,

(01:11:34):
being organized will just save yourself a lot of grief
in January. And then remembering that most people value time,
you know, gifts that don't need to be cost money, experience, experience, Yeah,
all that stuff is way more valuable than a lot
of the rubbish that we buy for each other.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Yeah, for sure, great advice.

Speaker 24 (01:11:55):
So those are those are my tips?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Yeah, very good. It makes a lot of sense. Thank
you they saying good to get a nice and nearly too,
just because what we should do is we should just
we should just clip this up and then repeat it
every three weeks leading up to Christmas, because it's especially
for those people who are freaking out four days before
Christmas and are trying to throw money at problems. I
think it's very very good advice. Lisa Dudson, our personal

(01:12:18):
finance expert, with us this morning. I'll get tomorrow your
feedback in a couple of minutes after eleven o'clock on
News Talks EDB, as well as taking you to Sydney
ahead of the final Oasis gig on their Incredible World tour.
Our travel correspondent is going to be with us and
he's got a few fresh takes in Singapore that he's
going to share. We're in the garden next though eleven
to eleven on newsdalgs EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Gardening with still Sharp's battery system kits get a second
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Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
A man in the garden is rude. Climb passed rude.
I started the show this morning by explaining that I've
just been jiggling my strawberries because the strawberries are my
place are looking excellent right now. But I've been going
out each morning just as I leave the house, and
you know, just repositioning them so that they don't get
too much contact with the ground or anything. I've got
straw underneath them, but just in case there's any moisture

(01:13:06):
andthing like that. So I've been looking for a new
term because I think jiggling strawberries doesn't quite work. So
Vicky sent me a note. She said it could be
strawberry jostling, which I quite like, Joslyn, Yeah, or just
turning your strawberries. Do we say? Is there is there
an official term in the gardening world.

Speaker 12 (01:13:23):
Not that I know of, but you you've got it right.
What I would say is I would put it onto
on dry what do you call it? Grass clippings or
something like that, So do not have to be in
contact with the moist soil.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
No, So I've got I've got pea straw underneath it.
I've put strawberry that doesn't ever contact. Yes, yes, but
it's still I just am kind of paranoid about it.
So I still go out there and just, you know,
just turn them ever so slightly, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:13:50):
Well, then your word would be pea strawing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yes, maybe peace strawing, peace strawing my strawberries, yeah, peas strawberry.
I don't know anyway, it is nice to see them.
I'm not sure how they are your places yet, but
we've had such hot weather in Auckland over the last
couple of weeks that I think they're just just the
first strawberries of the season, just coming through.

Speaker 12 (01:14:13):
Yeah, be careful though, don't get too hot, you know
what I mean, if you can handle that. But also
the point is that you need to have them literally
in a drier condition. Then, so the peace drawing is
not a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Yeah, very good. Anyway, you're focusing on feeding plants the
right stuff at this time of year, because.

Speaker 12 (01:14:31):
Yeah, yeah, first of all, I don't like the word
feeding because you don't feed your plants. I mean, gosh,
who goes out into the forest and feeds the trees?

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yeah, that's the whole point. So the point.

Speaker 12 (01:14:42):
But then again I get a lot of people on
talkback too that are complaining that there's not enough fruits
on the trees and all that, and how many breakfasts
do you have every springtime and so, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Exactly like that.

Speaker 12 (01:14:56):
So let's let's get into that. The plants they feed themselves,
that's what they do through photosynthesis, as we all know.
That's but what they do is that pick up all
the elements that the soil has. So yes, sometimes you
need to put some NPK into the soil depending on
what you're growing, of course, And basically what you're doing

(01:15:19):
is you make sure that there is enough of this
stuff that the roots can pick up. That's what it's about.

Speaker 15 (01:15:25):
That's the guts.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
So there's three types of.

Speaker 15 (01:15:28):
Some fertilizers that I could talk about.

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
You know, generally.

Speaker 12 (01:15:31):
Speaking, we talk about general fertilizer, which is NPK and
more or less the same sort of matter of numbers
NPK seven three six or twelve, four thirteen, whatever, But
it's always to do with a nice balance. But if
you talk about N, P and K, the N is

(01:15:54):
for making grass or green, you know, green material, the
P is for the root zone and health of the plant,
and the K is for potash, which is for basically
for your flowers and your fruit. So all these three
different things need a slightly different NPK ratio. I've written

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it down the on Libby's email thing. You can find
it in there. Potatoes has more K, so more in
the middle, tomatoes mere at the end. That's a rose fertilizers,
all that sort of stuff, And this is how you
go on. But what I tend to do is I
go for general fertilizer quite often. I use seaweete or

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seafood soop some that when forget stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:16:41):
But I use it.

Speaker 12 (01:16:42):
In a really light manner when I water the plants
in the tunnel house. And then what you do is
you add a little bit of potash if you want fruit,
you add a little bit of k if you want roots,
and a little bit of n if you want green material.
You know, that's that is. It's a very simple technique,

(01:17:04):
it is, and that helps you out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yeah, oh that sounds that sounds great. So I've been
using a lot of a lot of seaweed at home. Yeah,
not a lot. You know, you've got to be pretty
potent that stuff. Ah, but you know, absolut I know,
but it's it is tempting to I still have that.
I still I'm kind of like a child, you know,
I'm like more is more, But yeah, yeah no, but
I think it's already made quite a big difference at

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our place. So thank you very much for that route.
We'll make sure all of your tips are up on
the news talks he'd be website and you can access
those very shortly. Oh, here you go, Jack. The term
is to shuggle strawberries, says Rochelle muzz is Fondle. Now,
I'm not too sure that's right necessarily. Yeah, yeah, it
depends what you do you muzz you do you After

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eleven o'clock on News Dogs, he'd be, we'll take you
to Singapore and our travel single. We'll take you to
Sydney for the final Oasis gig. It's almost news time
though it's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Good morning, you're with Jack Taim on News Talks EDB
through to twelve o'clock midday today. If you're just turning
us on, it is great to have your company. I'm
counting down the ours to the first derby of the
New A League season, Aukland f C versus Wellington Phoenix tonight.
So they had three derbis last year. AFC came out

(01:18:56):
on top on all three games. So I reckon. I
don't know. I'm sure a statistician would say that there's
no way to do things, but I reckon the Phoenix
could be due to a vicary or at the very
least a better result right. And it's funny because as
a sports fan and as a football fan, you do
want to drum up a bit of not bad blood necessarily,

(01:19:18):
but you want to lean into a derby's rivalry. But
I still feel a little bit funny about the whole
thing because of course I'm an orkn FC fan, have
been from day one, was there for the first game,
Absolutely love it. But I have a real affinity for
the Wellington Phoenix. I mean, they have been there for
years doing the muhy and you know, they have for

(01:19:38):
the longest time been the only New Zealand team in
the A League, and so it feels weird to be
chairing against them. I love some of the individual players
in the Phoenix, So I yeah, still feel like I
can't lean into the derby with a sense of malice.
I can lean into it with a sense of rivalry shore,
but there's not the malice there for me that might

(01:19:58):
exist in some other derbies around the world. Anyway, We'll
take you to Wellington before mid day to day to
see how conditions are looking ahead of the This evening
before midday as well, we're in Sydney. Oasis are playing
their final gig of their incredible world tour. It is
just it has broken all manner of records. I would
love to I would love to see the surge pricing

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actually for a fas across the ditch for this weekend
because so many key Wes have headed over to Sydney
or Melbourne to see Oasis perform. Our music reviewer is there.
He's going to the last show tonight, so he'll give
us a bit of a vibe check on that. Right now,
it's nine minutes past eleven, Jack trying to catch up
with CLINICLESE psychologist Google Sutherland, who is with us this morning. Doogle,

(01:20:40):
you didn't get tickets to Oasis.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
Oh no, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:20:44):
I didn't even didn't even think about it.

Speaker 16 (01:20:46):
I wasn't the biggest Oasis fan. I've got to be
honest with you. I appreciate him, but I didn't. So
I think I was just a little bit. I just
missed their vibe.

Speaker 7 (01:20:53):
I think miss the thought.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Without delving too deep, you've pout in the right generation,
aren't you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:20:59):
I was.

Speaker 16 (01:21:00):
Look my big band, you know, lifelong Connor band was
the Smiths. Really so that says so much, And I
take no responsibility for what Morrissey does. Yeah, but you know,
for me, that was like the ultimate band ever and
nobody's ever lived up to them. I don't think so,

(01:21:20):
you know, I could sort of take all leve Oasis.
I definitely appreciate who they are and what they've done.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yeah, but yeah, well, I mean it would be actually
an interesting clinical study the brother's relationship, wouldn't it. I mean, so,
I I've got an I've got an interesting take on this,
given how how much they seem to hate each other,
the Gallagher brothers and have seemed to hate each other
over the years. I reckon the reason that they have
managed to stay together on this world tour is this

(01:21:48):
incredible psychological phenomenon called money. I'm not sure I.

Speaker 9 (01:21:56):
Entirely agree.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
Didn't that?

Speaker 13 (01:21:57):
Am I right?

Speaker 16 (01:21:58):
And thinking that they might have even said that that's
why they were going more or less?

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, they can only imagine how
much they would have made. Oh, I was good on them.
I don't know for a moment.

Speaker 7 (01:22:11):
But anyway, and they've only got one more show to show.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
If they can get through tonight, then you'd hope they've
made enough money that they probably don't need to do
any more.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
For the rest of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Absolutely, absolutely, Hey, you're bringing to us a new word
worth a fair amount on a triple word score this morning.
A fantasia.

Speaker 7 (01:22:28):
Fantasia.

Speaker 5 (01:22:28):
Yeah, look, it was, I was.

Speaker 16 (01:22:30):
I was just I came across it sort of earlier
in the week and it reminded me.

Speaker 7 (01:22:34):
You know, we had a discussion a month or.

Speaker 16 (01:22:36):
Two ago about prosopagnosia, which is where you can't recognize
other people's face faces.

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
And a fantasia is sort of related.

Speaker 16 (01:22:45):
In fact, some people with protopagnosia have it, but it's
where you can't see mental images. So, you know, most
of us, if they if I said to people you
know listening, you know, imagine what you had or remember
what you had for breakfast this morning, Remember what the
breakfast table looked like, most of us summon up a
mental picture of what that looks like, you know you,
And sometimes it's good quality, and sometimes it's a bit

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fuzzy quality, but it's a mental image in our head.
People with a fantastia don't have that mental image in
their head at all.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
They just don't.

Speaker 16 (01:23:16):
They just don't see in pictures. They they don't have
a they don't think in pictures at all, which is
quite surprising, and I think wud be quite it's quite
you know, quite a weird thing to discover that other
people do if you've never had this in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
And do they know why this happens, why some have
it and some don't.

Speaker 16 (01:23:35):
Oh, look, some people will get it after I do
get it after something like a head injury or some
sort of brain injury. And some people are just apparently
or seem to be just born with it. And they
these are people that when you know, people say, oh,
the mental image or the picture in my mind, that
they think it's just it's just a turn of phrase.
They don't think we're actually referring to a picture in

(01:23:57):
our minds. But because they've never had one, which is
very I just find it intriguing that you'd never have that,
and how I was going to how dull life might be.
But I'm probably being I'm probably being a disingenuous there.
But yeah, which it would change in life amazingly. I
think if you couldn't see in pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Yeah, right, Are there any upsides to it?

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Are there any upsides to it?

Speaker 22 (01:24:22):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:24:24):
It is I don't know if it's a it's an
upside it is it is associated with, or more likely
in people who are who are in kind of sciences
and it and those sorts of things. Yeah, and but
but there aren't two. There doesn't seem to be too
many advantages of not having it. It just seems to

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be the extreme of one sort of aspect of human
mind is that some people have. In fact, there is
a thing called hyper fantasia where where that's the other extreme,
where you where you see images vividly, it's very difficult
to almost distinguish those from reality, which will also be
a very interesting thing to experience too.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Yeah, right, man, I wonder how people even know they
have it kind of just say, well, I like, think
of a cheese toasty right now, Yeah, picture of cheese toasty,
and how delicious looks. Oh yeah, and if you can't
that you're seeing, then you know you've got Iteah.

Speaker 16 (01:25:25):
Essentially, I think it's it's it's realizing that that people
actually do see the picture of you know, as you say,
if you close your eyes and think of a cheese toasty,
then many of us will conjure up that image of
a cheese toasty. And sometimes it's photo quality, and sometimes
it's just like a vague sort of outline, but it's

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there as a mental image, and if you can't do
that then you probably don't see in pictures. There was
a big sort of there was about ten to fifteen
years ago. There was sort of a big growth in
it in the air or and people acknowledging that they
had it after an article was published and somebody went,
hang on, do you mean you actually see those and

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pictures because I've never had those at all. So it's
been a fascinating discovery I think for if you, if
you didn't, if you have a fancasty, have suddenly.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Gone, oh here we go the brain amazing, eh. But
it's just this is a brain wiring thing. It's just yeah, okay,
well we're just going to do it completely differently.

Speaker 16 (01:26:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And in the brain wiring they think
it could be nobody knows for sure yet, but they
think it could be that.

Speaker 7 (01:26:33):
You know that that.

Speaker 16 (01:26:33):
Actually it's related to when our brains lose connections in
the first three years of life. Our brains go through
this process called neuronal pruning, where you were almost like
you prune off the branches of a of a tree
that you don't need you prune off neur own neurons
in the brain that you don't need, and that maybe
you lose it then, and maybe that's maybe that's why

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many adults don't have as vivid imagination as kids, because
those those neurons, those brain connections get snipped off because
we don't need them as much.

Speaker 7 (01:27:06):
But it's a fascinating thing, the brain.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
It is. Yeah, that's very it's very Oliver sex of
you this morning.

Speaker 7 (01:27:12):
Yeah, thanks, I'll take that in.

Speaker 9 (01:27:15):
A good way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely fascinating. Okay, hey, thank you
so much. Google.

Speaker 7 (01:27:19):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Well you get back to brooding in a dark room
and listening to girlfriend and a coma or something like that,
and catch again very shortly. That is Keen Smith's fan
Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being Right now at sixteen
past eleven on news Talks Heed b.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Travel with Winni Wo tours Where the world is yours
for now?

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Mike Hardly is our travel will correspondent her Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Good morning, Jack.

Speaker 25 (01:27:46):
Congratulations on supersizing your weekend workload. Will you have like
Mondays and Tuesdays as your weekend?

Speaker 7 (01:27:54):
How does it all work?

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Basically? I so Saturday mornings I'm on news talks heads.
I'll go home, have lunch with the Faro, then come
down and read the news on Saturday evenings, and then
on Sunday mornings, I will present Q and A. I
will finish up work after Q and A. I'll go
home for the rest of my Sunday, and then I'll

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have Monday and Tuesday off. My wife will also have
Mondays off, so we'll have so we'll have Sunday afternoon
with the Sundays sort of from late morning and afternoon together,
and then Monday together, and then on Tuesdays, I'll look
after the baby while my wife goes to work, and
then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday days and the Yeah. So that's

(01:28:40):
the star theory. That's the yeah and theory. But we'll
see what happens in practice, you know. But I mean,
truth be told, it was I could, like sincerely making
making it works so that I could host the show,
host Q and A and most importantly actually have a
bit more time with the family at home. Was the

(01:29:03):
was the priority. So you will see how it all goes. Yeah,
good on you, Oh thank you. Yeah, no, I'm really excited. Yeah,
it's a real privilege. So looking forward to getting into
that in a couple of weeks, and you know, and
if I'm if I'm burnt out after a thought night,
then you'll be the first to know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:19):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Anyway, Hey, you are focusing this morning on a fresh
swing with Singapore, which is a wonderful spot even if
only for a couple of nights sometimes, and there's always
sort of new bits and pieces picking your attraction there.
But what's new at Gardens by the Bay?

Speaker 25 (01:29:38):
Yeah, quite the Kupjack Jurassic World. The experience has arrived
at Gardens by the Bay. So if you've been there before,
you'll think of those giant domed conservatories like Cloud Forest.
What they've done, and it started a few months ago,
is you've got the film franchise bringing its life sized

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animatronic dinosaurs into the Cloud Forest Conservatory.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
So as you.

Speaker 25 (01:30:05):
Wander around, casting your eyes over the seventy thousand plants
in that conservatory, suddenly you come face to face with
the t rex or a brachiosaurus or a comsognithice rearing
up and thrusting their might when you least expect it.

Speaker 7 (01:30:22):
It is quite absorbing.

Speaker 25 (01:30:24):
And if you're wondering what the hell a dinosaur was
doing there. There are about fifty species of plants within
Cloud Forest with lineages that reach back to the Jurassic Age,
you know, sort of like ferns and conifers. So that's
the tenuous link. But it really is quite spectacular how
they've done it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
Are the super trees still the kind of stars of
the show.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 25 (01:30:50):
It's interesting because Gardens by the Bay has cemented itself
as the number one visitor attraction in Singapore for over
a decade now. People just can't get enough of it.
The mega conservatories, the aerial walkways, and yes, then those
super sized steel trees. But around the clock the super
Trees grove, I just think it inspires a sense of

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awe and then come nightfall, the grove busts out a
very trippy choreograph to light and sound show. So that's
a great free spectacle that Gardens by the Bay dishes
up as well.

Speaker 5 (01:31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Nice, and Singapaure's got really distinctive neighborhood today, so where's good.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:31:33):
I've always enjoyed Chinatown because it's got super cheap shopping,
cheap peets, and fantastic architecture with all of those old
chophouses which have been restored and they sort of set
the stage for the whole scene. But another really cool
hit to check out if you haven't before, is Kempong Glam,
which sort of takes all of Chinatown's energies up a gear.

(01:31:58):
So it's a very pocket sized precinct and it was
once the seat of Singapore's first sultan. So it's anchored
by that unbelievably gorgeous golden domed mosque right in the
heart of Campoon Glam. And then all around the mosque
these little little lanes and roads with a lot of

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heritage heavy street architecture, a lot of old chophouses which
were all lovely painted, and a lot of them are
still home to really old businesses, you know, decades old
perfumeries and fabric merchants and lots of traditional cafes. So
it's just a really aromatic place to go.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Great, and that's home too. Harji Lane.

Speaker 25 (01:32:44):
Oh, oh my goodness, this is such a rock star street.
Harji Lane. It is actually more of a lane than
a street. It's like a narrow seam that you should
add to your stroll while checking out Campon Glam. But yeah,
originally I was fascinated by this. Originally this lane, Harji Lane,

(01:33:05):
it's the name was jest actually provided accommodation for Asian
pilgrims heading to the jaj In Mecca, hence the name
Haji Lane. It's now a hipster's hotspot with amazing boutiques,
indie boutiques, and then lots of really cheerful wal art

(01:33:26):
which has been constantly refreshed. So this is definitely where
Singapore is trenty young things go to shop and to
hang out. You want to go there early in the
morning because it is a narrow lane and as the
day progresses it just gets increasingly packed.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Yeah nice. What about some suggested food stops.

Speaker 25 (01:33:49):
Yeah, well, Campon glam Man Alive. You could just eat
yourself ridiculously in Campoon glam particularly if you like spicy
food and Middle Eastern influences. Just packed with gret eats.
Some of my picks on Busse or Row Street, Beirut grill.
Oh my goodness, the lamb Shanks, Jack. I love Lambshanks,

(01:34:11):
but there's just something very very special about favorite grooms Lambshanks.
They cooked them over charcoal. If you like marinated chicken.
The a Sheesh Talc is really good. And then just
around the corner on Beach Road the Coconut Club. I mean,
the name is such a great name, isn't it for
a restaurant, The Coconut Club, And yeah, a lot of

(01:34:32):
locals will go there for Lassi Nasi Lamark. The coconut
perfumed rice is just delivered with perfection, and very close
to that in Candahar Street. Chikiti is a very unexpected
Italian joint in Kempong Glen. But the reason I mentioned

(01:34:53):
this is because you've got to go there for a
slice of Neapolitan pie. It's this triple decked creamy custard
construction lad and chocolate strawberry and vanilla pannacotta.

Speaker 7 (01:35:05):
Oh my goodness, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Yeah, don't need to be told twice on that one.
Thank you, Mike. This sounds great. What about Orchid Road
is that still a bit of a tourist trap?

Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
It is interesting.

Speaker 25 (01:35:17):
Yes, it is stacked with glamorous shopping centers, which would
be the envy of, you know, any city in the world,
but Singaporeans give it the wide birth. They never shop
an Orchard Road, so it's totally good at tourists. The
only exception for the locals would probably be the glitzy
Ion Center, which from remembering is on the corner of

(01:35:39):
Orchard Road in Scott's Road. The reason the locals love
Ion is because it's got a really good hawker food court,
so that's.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Worth checking out.

Speaker 25 (01:35:48):
The other interesting thing about Orchard Road, though, Jack, is
it's home to Singapore's ice cream sandwich. So there's a
couple of old street carts which have operated on Orchard
Road for more than thirty years, and it's very very
much local flavors like Durian red bean, Yeah, sweet corn
ice cream which has served between slices of very pillowy

(01:36:12):
pend and bread made from pandanas, So yeah, give that
a go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Durry and ice cream would be all right, ice cream
not not necessarily not convinced it.

Speaker 25 (01:36:25):
That way, Yeah, I'd go with you on that. Yeah,
I just yeah, I find I find it a very
powerful flavor. So yeah, a little bit of dirry and
amongst a couple of slices of bread would be okay,
But that's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
If you're traveling with kids, Singapore's Yeah is just an
absolute knockout, a real family favorite.

Speaker 25 (01:36:47):
Definitely, Yeah. It's long been regarded as one of the
world's best. The interesting thing is adjoining the zoo, they've
got another attraction as such, called River Wonders, and it
beautifully showcases various ecosystems like the Mississippi River habitat. And
they've got an Amazon flooded forest complete with manatees, which

(01:37:08):
is one of my favorite mammals. But beast of all
Jack the giant panda forest. Oh my goodness. It's home
to Kai Kai and Gigia, who effortlessly work the crowd
day and day out, unsurprisingly for a lot of kids,
particularly Kiwi kids going to Singapore for holiday, drawling over

(01:37:29):
pandas the runaway holiday highlight. And then if you enter
that your dinosaurs and an ice cream sandwich?

Speaker 7 (01:37:36):
What more could you want?

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Yeah? Absolutely, Well maybe for it not to be a
Durian ice cream sandwich would be earlier exaction there. Love it.
Thank you so much, Mike. Those are fantastic little tips.
For more of Mike's advice on enjoying a swing through Singapore,
you can see his article on the news talks He'd
Be website and all of his tips will go up
there as well. It's just coming up to eleven thirty,
so before middayn News Talks, he'd be we are going

(01:37:59):
to go to Sydney ahead of the final Oasis gig
in their world tour. We'll have your book picks for
the weekend shortly too.

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he'd be there is the time that Jason pine will
be in taking over the mic for Weekend Sport this weekend,
and no doubt Piney is counting down the ours to
the first derby of the A League season for the

(01:39:04):
New Zealand teams. I reckon, Piney, this is just based
on absolutely nothing except that except that FC won all
three of them last year. I reckon, maybe this could
be the Phoenix's day.

Speaker 21 (01:39:18):
Well, I hope so from a resident of the Capitol's
point of view, jaies.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
They got three players out with injury.

Speaker 21 (01:39:24):
Actually it's about double that now. I had a lot
this morning, so it's not not the greatest prep as
far as they concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
But you might need to lace up your boots.

Speaker 21 (01:39:32):
Well, there's always a positive, there's always a positive. I
think the Phoenix have played well this season. They are unbeaten,
as are Auckland FC. And look, I just wonder whether
this is the Phoenix's best chance, probably since Darby won
last year, actually to actually win one of these things.
They come up against an Auckland FC side who, yes,

(01:39:52):
are also unbeaten, and yes, are at the top of
the table. But I'm not sure they have quite recaptured
their dominant form of last season. I think they're still
kind of finding combinations with some new players coming in
and haven't really yet hit their straps. Three goals and
three games jack, you know, you don't have to win
one nil, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
But they've only got three.

Speaker 21 (01:40:10):
The Phoenix, by contrast, have already scored five goals this season.
So there's one little metric. A nice day in Wellington,
bit of a breeze, but nothing which is going to
interfere with the football at all. We've got a double header,
of course, with the women underway and there a league
women's season at four o'clock against Canberra then the derby
at seven set to be a terrific occasion.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Yeah, no, I'm really I'm really looking forward to it. Actually,
I think it should be. Yeah, I mean it should be.
It should be like potentially quite even handed contests, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think it blows out. I don't think it
blows out on the sixth one last year, Jack.

Speaker 21 (01:40:48):
I feel like it's more like it's a one goal
win to either of the two sides. So just a
little stat for you. Auckland FC have never won a
game in which they've conceded the first goal, So that's
how important the first goal is for Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Interesting. Okay, good, so all backs, four am. We'll just
after four o'clock tomorrow kickoff at Murrayfield again against Scotland.
I think I feel more confident about the result in
this one, in that the All Blacks should get up
despite their injury concerns as well. I think so.

Speaker 21 (01:41:17):
I think the last twenty minutes last week gave us
great encouragement, didn't they. When you and I were speaking
ahead of the Island game, I think we were sort
of reasonably confident. But after an hour of that game,
I'm sure that most people thought, hey, this could go
one of two ways. The fact that the All Blacks
came over the top of Ireland like they used to
do in the old days was very promising.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
I like the side that's been named. Yes, Scotland will
be up for it.

Speaker 21 (01:41:38):
Murrayfield celebrating its one hundred year anniversary this weekend as well,
with all sorts of pageantry around that. But I just
look at the All Blacks and I think, look, if
they can if they can assert dominance a little bit
earlier than the sixty minute mark, I really think they
will be too good for Scotland. So yeah, like the side,
I'm looking forward to an early start tomorrow morning to
watch this one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 21 (01:41:58):
What are you planning for us this afternoon? Well, Brad
Moore is an interesting guy. He's been assistant coach of
the All Blacks and assistant coach of Scotland, so what
better man to talk about all Black spey Scotland. He's
with us after midday we'll take some rugby calls and
then after one o'clock we're onto the derby inside both camps,
but at Black camps as well. They're in Nelson to
take on the Western East tomorrow and on Monday. Mark Chapman,

(01:42:18):
who smashed it to all parts of Eden Park the
other night, is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
With us on the show too. Oh good, great looking
forward to that, Thank you, sir. Enjoy this afternoon, Enjoy
the game this evening Jason Pine with this Weekend Sport
right after the midday News. Before that, Oasis are in
Sydney and next up. If you're thinking for something slightly
quieter but probably with comparable levels of drama, Katherine Rain's,
our book reviewer, has her two recommendations for the week that's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Twenty one to twelve on news talks 'b. Okay, when
I say this, it's going to sound boring, right. It
is the story of Wind, the story of the remarkable
role that Wind plays in our life. If I give
you the title of the book, it sounds a bit
more dramatic, The Breath of God Odds by Simon Winchester.
But Catherine Rains, our book reviewer, has read it and

(01:43:11):
reckons it is pretty damn interesting. Good morning, Catherine, I do.

Speaker 27 (01:43:16):
You're quite right? And yes, but it wasn't a topic
that I thought that I would pick up a book
and read about. But I very much enjoy Simon Winchester's
writing and that was why I picked it up. And
in this he explains how wind plays a part in
our everyday lives, from aeroplane and car travel to natural
disasters that seem to be becoming more frequent and regular.

(01:43:37):
And you know, he sort of says, wind is this force,
of course, and it doesn't respect any national borders or
any vessel or structure in its path. And Winchester really
in this story takes you on this journey around the world,
and he stops in places and he talks about you know,
windriven tumble weed and how make me clever? Ancient mariners were,

(01:43:58):
and the technology behind wind turbines and the firestorms that
are generated, and then what happened during the Allied bombings
of places like Tokyo and Dresden. And he also considers
when he stops along the way, how different things might
have been had wind blown different directions. So, for example,
during the Chernobyl disaster, it was a prevailing southeasterly wind

(01:44:19):
and its effects were immediately detectable in Scandinavia. But if
it was during the spring and the westerlies were there,
it would have spread over Soviet territory instead, and potentially
might have been concealed from the world. And when Chester
starts in the beginning is kind of defining wind in
its consequences. And he also talks about this really interesting
event during the nineteen seventies through to the twenty tenish

(01:44:43):
time about the global stilling, terrestrial stilling, and meteorologists and
others could not work out why the average speeds of
the winds planets dropped more than two percent during these decades,
and he offers a really reasoned and compelling way of
why they occurred and the causes and the connections to
climate change. And you know what sounds like, as we
talked about in the beginning, a really strange subject to

(01:45:05):
write a book on, and it's really fascinating, and he
mixes in these personal stories and interesting people and places,
and he writes in such an engaging style. I can
guarantee you will be hooked and you will find yourself
reading this book because he tells it in such an
interesting way.

Speaker 17 (01:45:21):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
You've sold me, You've sold me, and I'm glad. I'm
glad that you have, because I'm sure there'll be some
people who say, oh, wow, really a story about wind,
But no, it does sound amazing. Okay. So that's The
Breath of God by Simon Winchester. Next up The Detective
by Matthew Riley.

Speaker 27 (01:45:35):
So for something completely different. This is a contemporary crime
novel and it's set in the deep South of the US,
and you meet this guy is not your sort of
typical hero. Is a guy called Sam Speedman, and he's
a private detective but he was also autistic. But he
uses those unique attributes to his complete advantage. His obsessive behaviors,

(01:45:56):
the deep concentration, the problem solving, and the immense patience
he has to crack cases. And when we meet Sam,
he's focused on one of these old unsolved cases and
it comes to light in this quite gruesome manner, And
for one hundred and fifty years, women have been disappearing,
and all of the investigators who when in search of
them from eighteen seventy seven to now have also disappeared.

(01:46:18):
And Sam just starts to uncover one dark it's secret
after another, and each kind of more harrowing than the last,
and you find yourself in the plains of Texas and
in the middle of Louisiana and in Florida and back again,
and you're these unspeakable crimes and some of the worst
people imaginable, and it gets deep into that those worst
bits of southern politics. And Sam's character is really unconventional,

(01:46:41):
as I said, and it just in it, but it's
told in his perspective, which really helps you understand sort
of his character and the perception of what he's thinking
because he's directly speaking to you. And then add in
that airiness of the swamp country and the world of
the rich and famous, and there's this conspiracy involving politicians
and judges and police and the mega wealthy at the
center of the book, and it seems really outlandish when

(01:47:03):
you're kind of first reading it. I read and events
kind of gives things a little bit more credibility, and
he pulls in references to actual events and real press conferences,
so every now and again you find yourself thinking, oh, yeah, okay,
but it's a really page turning read, and social commentary
about the US is really really interesting from Matthew Riley's perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Yeah, nice, okay, great, So that is the detective by
Matthew Riley. The Breath of God's by Simon Winchester is
Catherine's first book. All of the details for both of those.
We'll be on the news talks he'd be website. We
are in Sydney ahead of Oasis' final gig of their
world tour. In a couple of minutes, giving.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
The inside scoop on all you need to know Saturday
morning with Jack dam News Talks, the walk down.

Speaker 19 (01:47:51):
The kind of well we were we.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Would get in Hide.

Speaker 28 (01:48:00):
Sunday Well fine comedy, the last in a Champaint Superennover
and Sky Sam there you will find me coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
The least line, Hide in a.

Speaker 28 (01:48:21):
Champas Superenova, a champassed Souperenover sco fourteen to twelve on
News Talks, He'd be I reckon if you were going
anywhere in Sydney or Melbourne or Australia over the last few.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
Days, like any shot any more, any restaurant, you would
have been hearing that song. Oasis set to play the
final gig of their world tour this evening. Chris Schultz
is there in Sydney, Candy down the minutes to concert time,
give us a vibe check Chris.

Speaker 6 (01:48:58):
It's exactly what you just said. Yeah, the fans are
everywhere that dicked and hit the toe and band shirts,
Addie dash jackets, Addi dash shoes. They're singing the songs
I heard yesterday. Don't Look Back in Anger. I heard
it six separate times, including while I was eating my dinner.
A group of people walk past just singing it to

(01:49:19):
the streets. That's exactly what's going on. Everyone here seems
to be heading to these shows. It's captured the zeitgeist
of Australia. I want to say, not in the way
since Taylor Swift was here a couple of years ago.
It feels like everyone is aimed towards these concerts. They're

(01:49:39):
unified behind them and they're just so happy. These people
are so happy. They just have the best fans, Like
no one thought this was possible. You know, they haven't
toured here in twenty seven years, and they famously broke
up in two thousand and nine by storming off stage.
That show in ninety eight, by the way, that did
make it to New Zealand that tour. It was so

(01:50:02):
bad that yeah, Liam headbutted a fan arrested. He got
banned from Cathay Pacific for life. And then in Wellington
he played a kazoo instead of singing the songs. He
played a kazoo, had a fight with his brother backstage
a show notes so notorious, someone wrote a book about it.

(01:50:23):
So yeah, it just feels like this is the place
to be at the moment, which is why I've come
over for it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Good on you. I'm so pleased you there. I think
it's very much the place to be. And it's telling,
isn't it. I mean, as if we needed yet another example,
but the fact that they're playing Sydney, they're playing Melbourne,
they're not playing New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (01:50:44):
It's a real shame. You know, the energy that a
big band like this brings to a city. You can
just feel it right just walking around you see the fans.
And in Melbourne especially, these reports came out from bar
owners who were claiming the band had like saved the year,
you know that said things like, you know, post COVID,
the hospitality industry was in ruin and suddenly they were

(01:51:07):
taking in a week's worth of takings in a single
night because fans were all out enjoying themselves, you know,
out and he's filling these bars up until six am. Again,
like I guess pre COVID times. It's just that kind
of tour. I think too. You know, there's something about
the fact that these two brothers, you know, they notoriously

(01:51:28):
hated each other. They were so divided, they had so
many fights on stage over the years. You can't say
it was fake like it was. It was real. And
in this moment right the world's quite divided. There's examples
of it happening every day, especially in America, and here's
two brothers who've managed to pick up the pieces and
get back on the road. I gave this tour, this

(01:51:50):
show tonight. I gave that when I bought my tickets
a year ago, a fifty to fifty chance of happening.
But they've done it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Yeah they are, Yeah, yeah they have. It's amazing what
a motivator like tens of millions of dollars can be.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
I think Noel the reporter, Noel's taking one hundred million
pounds away from this tour. So yeah, they're doing Okay,
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
I mean, honestly, I didn't. They're good on them, you know,
good on them. If you've if you've done whatever you
need to do to have that kind of you know,
the support and level of fandom around the world, then
who could resent you for it? You know, I think
it's pretty amazing. So what is your just talking us
to your planning for the day, Then how's it? How's
it going to work?

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
I'm going to relax because tonight it sounds like it's
going to be pretty heatic. It's the biggest show I've
ever been to. I've never been to a concert with
eighty thousand people out of before. I think the biggest
thing I've been to is about forty five thousand. So
I'm going to rest up. Jack. I'm not going to
do a lot of walking because it's you know, it's
at a Core Stadium, it's out of town. Yeah, and yeah,

(01:52:49):
I'm going to try not to hear too many awaysis
songs like yesterday because that was blasting everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
I reckon just hydrate as well. I reckon lots of
you know, lots of and I and by that I
mean water because yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, just there maybe
a couple of bananas, bit of potassium in the system,
you know, like you're just going to need You've got
to pay some of these things.

Speaker 5 (01:53:13):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6 (01:53:15):
It's just that, you know, the fans they bring out.
I've been at a Liam Gallagha show before, and they
bring out this x PAC community who are having, you know,
the night of their lives. They're four or five drinks deep,
they've got to arms around each other, and they're singing
these songs. You know, they're playing exclusively songs from the
ninety seven ninety eight period, the first two big albums.

(01:53:35):
It's it's just, you know, they're making all this money,
but also they're making people so happy, and that's why
I think no one's holding it against them.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
No, no, of course, absolutely so. So do you reckon
this is it? Do you reckon they might do? Given
them made it through this, they might do another tour
in the years to come.

Speaker 6 (01:53:51):
There's too much money on the table, Jack one hundred percent.
They're doing more shots, for sure. I can't see this
being it. Money talks and nostyle is huge at the
moment too, you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Know it is especially with that generation. I suppose this
is the this is the first thing for that generation,
not the first thing, but you know, it really taps
into a generation who are probably feeling nostalgic for the
first time in their lives. You know, hey, it sounds amazing. Chris,
have a wonderful time tonight. I'm so envious and I
can't wait to hear all about it. But we'll be

(01:54:22):
thinking of you.

Speaker 6 (01:54:24):
Thank you, Jack, you appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Really look forward to it. Chris Schultz is in Sydney
ahead of the final Oasis concert tonight. You can see
more of Chris's takes on Oasis and the Vibe on
a substack. Boiler Room is the name of his substack.
We'll pick a good Oasis song just to play out
the hour and a couple of minutes. Right now, it's
seven to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
dam News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Be okay in a few minutes right after the midday news,
Jason Pine is going to be in for a weekend
sport on News Talks. He'd b but that is for
another Saturday morning together. Thank you for your messages throughout
the morning. Everything from our show is at News Talks,
head b dot co dot nz forward slash Jack. A

(01:55:10):
massive chure to my wonderful producer Libby for doing everything.
We're gonna leave you with Oasis ahead of their final
show tonight. Wish I was there, but this is live forever.
I'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
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