Full Show Podcast: 09 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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B Yard and New Zealo. Good morning, welcome to News

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this weekend before ten o'clock, including a new one from
the Burtons looking at a mister Burton. So I'm going
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daughter of Richard Burton, Cate Burton, is the woman behind
that film. And then after ten o'clock this is going

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to be a real treat Australian idol legend Guy Sebastian
not only with us, but with us in studio, not
only being interviewed, but performing for us as well. So
really really looking forward to that. Right now, it is
eight minutes past.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Nine, Jack Team.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
So years ago when I first moved to New York,
I think, what was it like twenty started twenty twelve,
When the end of twenty eleven started twenty twelve, I
spent my first year living in a railroad apartment above
an Ecuadorian fruit shop on Second Avenue right, And to
be honest, it was a It was a character building experience.

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I went weeks without heating or hot water in winter,
and my windows had almost no effect whatsoever, and keeping
out the ceaseless sound of trucks thundering past my bedroom
en route to restock the city. And when I first arrived,
they had just started construction on the Second av subway

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a few blocks from my home, and the project at
the time was hitting a few speed bumps. Bedrock turned
out to be a whole lot deeper than anticipated, so
they needed to send the tunnel a whole lot deeper
than anticipated. A worker nearly died after being stuck in
waste deep slot on site, and what was supposed to
be a controlled explosion sent rocks flying all over a

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busy Manhattan intersection. Curiously, the second AB subway in New
York was first proposed in the nineteen twenties, which Wikipedia
no doubt reliably tells me was about the same time
time that plan is first mused over the possibility of
the morning side deviation a train tunnel in central Auckland.

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Stage one of the Second AV subway was a three
point two kilometer tunnel. The Central rail Link is three
point five k Second AV ended up costing more than
seven billion dollars. The Central rail Link blew out, however,
many times, but at last check was just under six billion.
The weird thing about a big underground tunnel development is

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that most of us never fully appreciate the scale of
the work. It's obvious, I suppose, But even if you
live and work in the city, while you get used
to a few cones and traffic delays up above the ground,
you have no real perspective about the extraordinary activities happening
somewhere beneath your feet. It's different to a big stadium,

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or a skyscraper or even a road. It all happens underground.
Orkland Transport has this week released its updated transit map
with the CRLs stations. Apparently they've done sixteen hundred test
runs on the new Central Rail Link so far. So
they've run trains more than five thousand kilometers KA tie

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as a bluff two and a half times. They've been
driving trains at seventy kilometers an hour directly underneath Auckland CBD,
and at no point have I felt so much as
a rumble or a shudder. I reckon. Actually, the vast
majority of us up top have been absolutely none. The
wiser and the kid and me, who briefly considered becoming

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an engineer and even volunteered to spend a school holiday
touring the Littleton Tunnel can't help but think that is
pretty cool. After riding along on a VIP tour yesterday
with all of the politicians and the movers and shakers,
Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown was in vintage Wayne Brown form.
Was it? The mayor was asked it was a ride

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in a train. He said, we don't want excitement. Well
maybe not, but look, guilty is charged. Maybe it's the engineering,
Maybe it's the people watching. Maybe it's the broader sense
of you know, this is kind of sense of momentum
and life. But whether it's a tube in underground or
a subway, I love a bit of subterranean mass transit.

(05:31):
You know you are a nerd when you're less excited
about the opening of New Zealand's first ikea than the
transport connection that you're going to take to get there.
It's funny. After years of construction, the second av subway
opened in New York two weeks before I moved back home,
and one of the very last things I did on

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my last few days living in New York City was
ride a loop, not because I had somewhere to be,
but because I just wanted to see what all of
the fuss and money and effort had created out of
sight underneath my feet. Let me tell you I cannot
wait to do the same thing here soon. The Team

(06:13):
ninety two. Ninety two is our text number. If you
want to see me a message this morning, don't forget
that standard text costs apply. You can email me as
well if you like Jack at Newstalks ZEDB dot co
dot NZ. We will analyze the Warriors' choices and this
ridiculous test the black Caps versus Zimbabwe. That as much
as I love test cricket and I love test cricket.

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I'm finding very hard to get too excited about our
sporto is going to be here. So next up, though,
Kevinmilon will kick us off for our Saturday Morning together.
Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack, Tam,
It's Saturday morning. This is News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Talks EDB, sixteen minute past nine on Newstalks ZB. Aaron
on the email this morning says Jack, I'm with you.
I have a sort of childlike wonder when it comes
to writing a on a subway. Took New Zealand long enough,
but glad that Auckland is finally getting there. So twenty
twenty six they reckon the CRL is due to open.
Not sure when in twenty twenty six. Usually it's best

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to set one's expectations later in the year when it
comes to these kind of things. Ninety two. If you
want to send us a message, Jack, CRL is achieving
its goal. I want to ride it. I love the
London Underground and honestly I'm going to bring up a
mate when this opens. Sadly no chance of passenger rail
from New Plymouth at the moment, though, is Harry. Yeah,

(07:39):
thanks for that, Harry. Seventeen minutes past nine, Kevin Milner
is here this morning, killder Kevin Jack.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I'm pleased that you were so positive about that work
that's been done on the subway and your wonderful city.
It's one of those kind of really positive things that
can be totally overlooked because you can't see it, and
there's enough bad stuff going on that to celebrate some
wonderful engineering feats.

Speaker 5 (08:07):
I feel great about it. I'm pleased you've done it.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, it's funny. I saw Nicola Wellis yesterday. She was
one of the you know, one of the VIPs who've
got a bit of a tour, and she said afterwards
that she said, you know, somebody, how's it feelings? She said,
you know, it feels like it'll be familiar to any
New Zealander who's written in a subway around the world.
And I was like, exactly, exactly. It's twenty twenty five,
it's taken us this long, but we got there.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's I just yeah, I think I think, I think
it's fantastic. So I can't. I can't wait to go
on it. I mean, there is something I don't know.
It is kind of childlike. I think Aaron's right on
the email, you know, it's something that that's kind of
there's a bit of wonder that comes from from going
in a big kind of engineering, from experiencing a big
engineering project like that.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I remember going through the Waterview Tunnel for the first
time and being like, oh, this is a bit fancy.
So yeah, yeah, anyway, I'm I'm I'm great.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
You haven't lost that jet given everything that you've done
and everything that you get to see. Yeah, and you
know the incredible busy lives that you lead, that you
still get that childish pleasure from smallest well they're not reached,
they're not at all smallest things in this case, but yeah,
that you get that kicked from it.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, no too, right, So, Kevin, you're off to a
special event in christ Church tonight.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, the Sathinoon. I flow down to christ Church for
a very special event and in a way, a very
christ Church event. It's the one hundredth anniversary of the
Sat Beads College Old Boys Annual Dinner, and I'm the
guest speaker. Oh coincidentally, my late uncle Ralph, my mother's brother,
would have been at that original Old Boys Dinner one

(09:43):
hundred years ago.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
He was the secretary of the first SIMP Beads Old
Boys Committee.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
I've never really been into old.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Boys or past pupils events, so I had a very
unsuccessful time at some Beads. Academically anyway, like really bad,
failed most of my exams. What made it worse was
that my too old older brothers had been stars before
me at the same college. So when after five years
I finally walked out the college gate with just school Sert,

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I kind of didn't want to look back. Not that
my failure was the college's fault. I just wanted to
move on. Now, nearly sixty years later, I'm invited back
to be the guest speaker at the one hundredth Old
Boys Dinner that includes presenting annual prizes to twenty twenty
five three most successful old boys in sport, culture and business.

(10:38):
And here I am the guy who is the bottom
of a class left without school sert handing out the awards.
I don't mind admitting Jack, it means quite a lot
to me. I suppose it says something about life. A
Hay should never let lack of success at any particular
time in your life get to you. Your luck and

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change sometimes remarkably quickly. You've just got to remain nimble enough,
positive enough to allow that to occur. And that happens
to be the theme of most speech tonight.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Jack Ah, so good, Kevin. How special not only to
be welcome back, but to be invited back for the
one hundredth, yeahniversary, that is it's not one hundred and fourth,
it's not the sixty second. They said, this is the
one hundredth. We're going to need someone really extra special tonight.
Let's get the former bottom of the class. Yes, right,
that's right, Yeah, lovely, Ah, it's going to be really special,

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do you know, Kevin? It is a bit of a
weekend of anniversaries, right, So you're you're you're celebrating the
one hundredth anniversary. It needs to go. Yeah, so today
being what the ninth of August is the ninety ninth
anniversary since one Zedb's very first broadcast, you believe, Oh wow,
so there you go?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, crazy a ninety nine years since our very first broadcast.
I was a bit surprised. To be honest, I didn't
think we were that old.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
No, So there you go.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
Nine years.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think it kind of melded, it got because at
one stage, and I'm old enough to remember this z
B and the national program, we're basically with the same.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, radio you didn't have a whole massive range of
different stations like we do now, and you know all
the everything mix things up too, But yeah, there you go.
They have a wonderful time tonight. Kevin.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I'm sure you will. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. But
we look forward hearing how it all goes. Yes, thanks
a lot, very good Kevin Milne with us this morning
here ninety nine years since one's edb's very first broadcast.
So apparently it was the ninth of August nineteen twenty six,
which was a Monday, and they broadcast for three hours
from seven pm, so it was once a week on
Monday nights. And back then, of course, like radio was

(12:44):
the technology of the day, it was the kind of
shiny new toy that everyone was, you know, talking about.
Apparently people used to dress up to listen to it,
and you know, you think about the kind of iterations
and changes that z B has gone through over the years.
I think it was eighty seven in which Paul Holmes
first started broadcasting and you know, are you waking up

(13:07):
the nation? Talkback started playing a bigger role, and so
twenty twenty five, Newstalk's 'B is now number one in
Auckland and across New Zealand. From breaking news to unforgettable interviews,
the station has kind of, you know, gone from strength
to strength over the last ninety nine years, so amazing. Really, Hey,
thanks for feedback, Jack, lovely to hear you this morning.

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Please tell me how the trains have been put in
the tunnels or the tunnels open at one end. Well,
I'm no expert, Donna, but I believe because they linked
to britam Art, they can kind of the state that's
where the station's you know, they've got various junctions and
things and they can kind of get in and off there.
But yes, they do have to think about that when
designing the tunnel.

Speaker 9 (13:46):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
It sounds like you are the new Central rail Link ambassador. Well,
I'm just a bit peeved, to be honest, that I
didn't get the invite so everyone else seemed to be
riding along yesterday all the cabinet ministers or the counselors,
the mayor was there not Poor old Jack though, gonna
wait until twenty twenty six, like the rest of the plebs,
never mind. Twenty three past nine on Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks EPIT.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Jerry me Peter's upset Jet. You've just identified you because
you think you're better than the rest of us pleebs. No,
I don't, Peter. I am a pleb. I'm a pleb
and proud. I'm a plub waiting and waiting and waiting
for his first trip in the Central rail Link. Thanks
for your message. Ninety two ninety two is the text
number if you want to send us a message. This morning,
twenty six past nine and time to catch up with
our sport. Oh Andrew Sevel Who's what this is? Morning

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to sev Jake?

Speaker 10 (14:39):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I'm very well, thank you. You know what I thought
when the black Caps had this series with Zimbabwe, I thought,
you know what it is, zimbabwere But it's test cricket
and one cannot complain about about any test cricket. It's
test cricket that I can probably watch three or four
hours of before heading to bed every night. But I
gotta be honest, it has just been silly. It's just ridiculous.

(15:03):
You're what will five hundred and four hundred runs ahead
right now in the things? I mean, it feels like
if the black Caps really wanted right now, we could
score a thousand.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. Look, the one big.

Speaker 11 (15:14):
Positive is that it leads players who may have been
struggling with form get their eye in, doesn't it Devin.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Conway his first century more in four years?

Speaker 11 (15:25):
I think something not that the black Caps play on
the Test cricket these days, Nickels.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
That's the positive is that it's.

Speaker 11 (15:32):
Yeah, it's I mean, we have it's above where bowling
attack is even even even up to first.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So here's what annoys me exactly. So these are barb
wing players I don't even know. But so so this
is a look. Again, one shouldn't grumble too much because
it is Test cricket, but you have Australia England and
what was maybe the most thrilling end to a Test series.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
In many many years.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Couldn't even watch it in New Zealand, couldn't even watch
it Sky I didn't have it, No one had it.
So frustrating having to watch the highlights of some some
bootlegged YouTube account and and instead we're treated to the
black Caps pouring eight hundred runs on Zimbabwe and you
get there's so few people there you can sort of
hear the individual birds crowing in the background. It's like, oh,

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this is just silly something, all right.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
You know, that was an amazing series between.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
It was incredible and I would loved it.

Speaker 11 (16:26):
Every match, Every match was riveting. There was a bit
of ill feeling between the teams and yeah, yeah it's again.
You can't turn down test matches these days, No you can.
There's not a lot of them for a country like
New Zealand. But yeah, the there needs to be something
done about zimbabwe status, probably as a test cracketing nation.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Anyway, We're probably don't lose the game now after all that.

Speaker 11 (16:53):
You know, it gives it gives the black Caps batsmen
a confidence boost, that gives the bowlers or you know,
a couple of new fast bowlers into this team.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Gives them a chance to experience something different, I suppose.

Speaker 11 (17:03):
But you're not not not not great for not a
great standard really.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Anyway, Hey, Richard Waringer re signing with New Zealand Rugby
back in time for the Rugby World Cup. Maybe not
hugely surprising, but it's gonna be interesting to see how
this plays out. What did you make of his decision?

Speaker 11 (17:20):
It was always touted to happen, wasn't it, And there's
no there's no denying that. The All Blacks trying to
get him back this year, but negotiations fell over between
in Zidara and Tashiba, his Japanese club.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
In fact, they didn't get very far at all. My
understanding is but so no great surprise.

Speaker 11 (17:37):
Look, Jack, I'd be very very surprised he under the
rules he has to play NPC next year, like Lester
Fanganuku having to play for TASM before he becomes eligible
again for the All Blacks. But I'd be very surprised
Number one, the way the injuries are happening in Super
rugby nowadays, and the injury tolls all round, I'd be
very surprised if Mauonga doesn't see any action in July,

(18:01):
August September next year. You've got the Nation's Cup beginning,
which is quite an exciting time for rugby.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Three different nations will come here in July, three.

Speaker 11 (18:11):
Different test matches across those weeks, and then you've got
this big tour to South Africa. So I'd be very
surprised a Richie Morgan it doesn't somehow get game time
in the All Blacks, whether it's injury, whether the rules
are tweaked a little bit. That has then led this
week to the big discussion again the old chestnut, should
the All Blacks be allowed to pick players from overseas?

(18:32):
I say still no. I think you've got to concentrate
on Super rugby, make that product.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
As best as it can be. Although the fact.

Speaker 11 (18:39):
Now Australia is going to pick players from overseas is
not great for Super rugby. But I think as far
as New Zealand's concern, they need to focus on Super rugby,
having all their stars play and Super rugby, which attracts attention,
attracts interest because I think the moment you start picking
from overseas, there will be a flood of players leave
and the domestic competitions will suffer because of that. I

(19:01):
think it's probably inevitable somewhere down the track, but at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
No, yeah, it's good. Yeah, yeah. I tend to agree.
I think with you on that one. Warriors Bulldogs hal
us nine.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yes to.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Big opportunity to win to stop the slide.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Yeah, it's the Bulldogs and Sydney.

Speaker 11 (19:19):
They lost to the massive upset last week against the
West Tigers Benji Marshall's team.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
That was a great performance for the Tigers.

Speaker 11 (19:25):
So the Bulldogs will be hurting and they haven't lost
too many this season. The Warriors, I think two wins
out of the last six, which just happens to be
around the time that they've suffered quite a lengthy injury
list and some key players around. I think James Fisher
Harris is back tonight off the bench, which is good
to see. Yeah, tough for Simon in Sydney against the Bulldogs,

(19:46):
that's sure. Apparently apparently the Bulldog's officials believe there'll be
more Warriors fans tonight the Olympic Stadium. They've done some
special ticket deal for Warriors fans and they wouldn't be
surprised if it's like a home game for the Warriors.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
WHI would be good for them.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Hey, bad news, this is this is a disaster.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Cooking or baking coming out.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
No, no, no, So Phil has just texted me to say Jack,
the England India tests were on ICC TV for free,
no dodgy workarounds, all legit. Such a good watch.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Phil.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
We were you six weeks ago with this information? I
wish i'd know, and I honestly a three number of people.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
What's seven of the world something for free on television exactly?
It was on the internet.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I wish I'd known that before the series finished.

Speaker 11 (20:34):
Yeah, maybe you can watch the full replays now every
day of every test match.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah yeah, anyway, all right, you ever got weekend say,
we'll catch you very soon. Our support Andrews Sevil there
before ten o'clock. We've got that delicious Moroccan spice, lamb
and pumpkin recipe. It's one of those you know, the
thing with your Moroccan cooking, you often have that little
hint of sweetness, right, and so along with all of
the various Moroccan spices, they've got a few prunes in this,

(20:58):
which I think is just going to be beautiful. You got
to fry them off first, but yeah, we'll give We'll
give you that recipe before ten o'clock. If you're looking
for something letsious to make it your place. This weekend.
Next up, our film reviewer has her movie picks for
this weekend. Right now it is twenty eight to ten.

Speaker 12 (21:14):
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now I've seen a thing.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
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no take Dennis, So then somebody we leving.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
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Speaker 12 (21:30):
Why the cub, tell me burn why in the club?

Speaker 13 (21:36):
Tell me.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
What in the club? What?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
H versus Guy Sebastian. He was the og Australian Idol win.
I think it won first one eighth. It was a
fir Yeah, it was definitely the first Australian Idol winner.
That was a wee while ago now two thousand and three, gulp.
But I'll tell you what. Guy has had an incredible career,

(22:02):
released no end of albums or album after album for
album banger after a bang after banger. But as well
as that, he's kind of kind of a meta experience,
gone from being a contestant and winner of a reality
TV performance show to then being a judge on a
couple of the biggest ones, the likes of X Factor. Obviously,
so he's going to be with us after ten o'clock

(22:24):
this morning. Not only is he going to do an interview,
but guy has offered to perform in studio, which is
just so good of him. So really really looking forward
to that when he joins us after ten. Right now
at is twenty four minutes to ten and time to
talk movies. Francesca Raykens our film reviewers, she's here this morning,
killed her.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Before we rip into things, I'm not sure if you've
just seen the news this morning, but very sad news
out of the US. Jim Lovell is the or was
the ninety seven year old commander of Apollo thirteen, and
news from NASA this morning that he has died after
a pretty remarkable life, so at the age of ninety seven.
So he was. He was Tom Hanks's character in the

(23:03):
Apollo thirteen movie. Yeah, no, I hadn't caught the news. Sorry,
you wondered where I was going with that.

Speaker 14 (23:08):
Yeah, yeah, always, thank you for keeping me in four.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I feel like that's how we Yeah, like most of
us engaged with Apollo thirteen and the amazing stories obviously
through the movie. Right to hang on which character?

Speaker 7 (23:21):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Okay, yeah, so yeah he was. He was Tom hanks
character Jim love I reminded of the Apollo thirteen mission. Anyway,
two different films to talk about this morning. Let's start
off with a little bit of a listen to a
movie showing in cinemas at the moment. This is Weapons.

Speaker 15 (23:36):
Missus Gandy's room was totally empty. And do you know
why because the night before, at two seventeen in the morning,
every kid woke up, got out of bed, walked downstairs
and into the dark and they never came back.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Oh, I don't know, friend, chis any film that has
a speaking in a creepy voice makes me feel nervous.

Speaker 14 (24:09):
Look, I know how you feel about horror films, but
occasionally a horror film comes along that you should definitely
check out. I mean, this year we've had incredible films.
We've had Sinners, which was absolutely fantastic. You know, people
are really pushing the boundaries with horror films these days.
And last year even four films were nominated for Oscars.
Four horror films were nominated for Oscars, So you know,
people are really kind of elevating this genre. And this

(24:33):
is one of the This is one that you should
probably is worth catching. It's quite quite a young guy writer,
director Zach Krieger, and He has done a couple of
films sort of is in collaborations. But his first film
that he sort of wrote and director was called Barbarian
and it did very very well. And if you're a
fan of that film, there is a little cameo of

(24:55):
a star from Barbarian turns up in this film as well.
When he wrote the script, it was highly sought after.
Everybody wanted it. Hills Company wanted it, everybody wanted it
ended up at Newline and look, it's just it's I
really enjoyed it.

Speaker 16 (25:10):
You heard the premise.

Speaker 14 (25:11):
It's that simple, and that's what I love about it.
He's picked something really clever, and many kind of the
whole film was just sort of unpicking this.

Speaker 16 (25:18):
He gets straight into it. At the beginning of.

Speaker 14 (25:20):
The film, we learn what has happened, and we know
this has happened purely from people's home security systems. They
picked up children leaving their homes or running past them.
And these children left their homes, they ran kind of weirdly.
Their arms were out like they were airplanes, as if
they were into some kind of trance, and off they go,

(25:41):
and that's really all we know. And the film kind
of kicks off it kicks off about a month later.
The police have no idea where these kids are, they
have no idea where they've gone. They've been searching, they've
been investigating, and they've been investigating two people in particular,
because from this class there are only two people left.
One is one other kid, Alex he was the only

(26:02):
kid who turned up at school that day, and their teacher,
Miss Gandy, And so there's a lot of investigating that goes.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
On with them.

Speaker 14 (26:09):
Surely they must have known something, Surely they must know
the kids. We're planning something, you know, where have they gone?
So they're very much in the limelight. And the film
starts by looking at Miss Gandy, and then it unfolds
in chapters and each person we get sort of each
person's point of view of what's been going on in chapters.
So I think sometimes when you use different chapters and

(26:31):
different point of views to tell a story, it can
be a bit clunky. But what I loved here, and
what's really clever, is that each chapter reveals more about
the story, twists and turns, keeps it going. It's quite unpredictable.
And then finally kind of this villain arrives and interestingly
this up to now, there's some really good jump frights

(26:54):
that will catch you. And you know we've talked about
I'm terrible and I'm always jumping in my chair at
these things, even though i know they're coming.

Speaker 16 (27:01):
But it's kind of more of this building tension.

Speaker 14 (27:05):
It's just weird and creepy and there's tension builds and
it's quite psychological. The final at though, just goes total
black comedy. It's like the director's gone, Okay, I've.

Speaker 16 (27:16):
Freaked you out, you're all but tense. Let's have a laugh, and.

Speaker 14 (27:18):
It gets quite absurd and quite fun and you finally
sort of find yourself laughing at this film's angrowth.

Speaker 16 (27:25):
So look, they've done a really good job. I yeah, No, it's.

Speaker 14 (27:28):
Pacey, it's a bit unpredictable, it's well shot, well crafted.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Yeah, good fun.

Speaker 16 (27:33):
If you're like a horror.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah with them, Well it sounds like you really enjoyed it. Okay,
that is there is weapons, so that is showing in cinemas.

Speaker 17 (27:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I still think I'm just gonna need a bit more
of a nudge friendshiescap. But I'm like, you did a
very good sell this morning. Yeah, no, I know you
did well. Next up. This is also showing in cinemas
and let's have listen to mister Burton.

Speaker 6 (27:53):
I want to be an actor.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
To be an actor, you will need to move in
certain social spheres.

Speaker 6 (28:01):
In it to your most.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I would like you through screen. Okay, tell us about
mister Burton.

Speaker 14 (28:16):
This is a film by Mark Evans and it stars
Harry Laughty. If anyone has watched Industry and you google
Harry Laughty, you'll know you'll be very familiar with this
young man. And he is exceptionally good as a young
Richard Burton. So this is the film of really Richard
Burton's formulative years in Wales, and we learn about his upbringing.

(28:37):
He came from a very poor family. His mother had
died when he was young. His father basically just didn't
really have room for him at his house, didn't look
after him.

Speaker 16 (28:47):
His sister took him.

Speaker 7 (28:49):
She brought him up.

Speaker 16 (28:50):
He was kind of always getting in trouble.

Speaker 14 (28:53):
But he had this English teacher, Philip Burton, because of
course he was he was Richard Jenkins, and he had
this English teacher who just you know, kind of recognized
that he was quite bright. And he had to leave
school to get a job and things. But then the
teachers sort of took him under his wing a bit
and said, look, I can find a way to bring
you back into school. And this relationship began which lasted

(29:15):
their entire lives, and in fact, Philip Burton ended up
taking in Richard. He was a huge lover of the theater.
He got him involved in acting, he had taught him
everything he knew. He got him a scholarship to Oxford
for six months. He really gave him this start in

(29:35):
life to go on and become one of the greatest
actors of all time.

Speaker 16 (29:39):
So we're seeing.

Speaker 14 (29:40):
What I liked about this film is that it is
a different period. We've seen a lot of films about
Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor and his hell raising and things.
But here you see this young man from this incredibly
difficult background works so hard to try and get to,
you know, to make something of himself. But at the
same time, there's a lot of pride there, there's a
lot of shame, there's a lot of self hate, you know,

(30:01):
there's a lot of other things unfolding here.

Speaker 16 (30:03):
I think this is quite special.

Speaker 14 (30:04):
This film cool hebe Jones, Leslie Manvil also start and
Harry LAUTI and I think together they've coated something amazing.
And actually this is the first time that Richard Burton's daughter,
Kate Burton, who was also an actress, has participated in,
or shown or even watched a film about her father,
and she thinks it's very special as well. And she

(30:26):
actually joins me on the Sunday session tomorrow to talk
about her father and the film.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, oh that sounds great, Okay, looking forward to that.
Thank you, Francisca. So those films once again, mister Burton
and Weapons was the horror film that Francisca told us about. First.
We'll have details for those movies up on the news
Talk ZB website in a couple of minutes. That delicious
sounding Moroccan spice lamb and pumpkin recipe for you right now.
It's called it a ten.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Saturday Morning with Jack team keep him a conversation going
through the weekend US.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Talk ZEDB Thursday minutes, the team on news Talks EDB
if it's just one of those weekends, will you think
you know what?

Speaker 14 (31:05):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I actually don't think I want to leave my living room.
I'm going to stay planted on the couch. After ten
o'clock this morning, we've got our screen time segment three
shows that you can watch or stream at home that
we're going to recommend, so stick around for that. Right now, though,
it is time to catch up with Rows of Flanning
and one of the two Raw sisters who's with us
this morning, Kilder.

Speaker 17 (31:24):
Good morning.

Speaker 18 (31:25):
How are you, Jack?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm so well. Thanks. You guys are in Melbourne in Australia.

Speaker 18 (31:29):
Yeah, we're in Australia.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
How good. What's what are you doing? Are you just
getting some slightly warmer weather or so? I know you're
in Melbourne probably is probably colder than here.

Speaker 18 (31:37):
Yeah, no, it's actually really cold here. We're here doing workshops.

Speaker 17 (31:41):
We had one last night and then we've got a
big community event this morning.

Speaker 18 (31:45):
What's over We've got about a hundred people coming.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh my gosh, look at you guys. Just take it
out of the world. Don't worry about that.

Speaker 18 (31:52):
Yeah, no, it's awesome to be on the ground over here. Actually,
we've always talked about coming here, but we're here so good.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well, regardless of where anyone is, I think we can
all do a little bit of warming up this weekend
and you have a fantastic recipe to do just that.
This is a perfect midwinter tweety little dinner, slow cooked
Moroccan lamb with pumpkin.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yes, yeah, so.

Speaker 17 (32:16):
I've actually been making this heap and it's freezer friendly too,
so make a big batch free some pull it out later.

Speaker 18 (32:23):
So what we do is we add some oil into
our You want a deep.

Speaker 17 (32:28):
Like a casserole type dish, like a Dutch oven situation
kind of yeah, like a Dutch oven, such a one
with a lid.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh yeah, okay, could you do?

Speaker 18 (32:39):
Yes, I do. You can chuck it in the slow cooker.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Nice, okay, very good, all right.

Speaker 17 (32:43):
So add your oil and add your red onion, so
just thinly slice that up. You can add a brown
onion if you want to, add a carrots, some garlic
because we've got four garlic clothes.

Speaker 18 (32:54):
Crush, chop, and then we add.

Speaker 17 (32:56):
In some tomato paste, some freshly grated ginger, cumin seed, smoke, paprika,
all the spices, guys, ground tumeric, cinnamon, chili flakes. So
if you've got a little bit of a kroky throat
like me, perfect for those sides, because.

Speaker 18 (33:15):
You're getting lots of goodies in there. And obviously if
you don't have any.

Speaker 17 (33:19):
Of those spices, that's totally fine. You can add something
else or leave it out. And then we've got some prunes.
So what we do is we kind of fry those
off for a couple of minutes, and you fry them
off until you start getting all those like yummy flavors
coming through the smells. And then you add a can
of tomatoes. We've got two cups of vegge stock.

Speaker 18 (33:39):
In there, but you could use beef.

Speaker 17 (33:41):
Stock, chicken stock, whatever you fancy. And then this is
the fun part, adding in your lamb shanks. So we've
got four lamb shanks that we have on the recipe there.

Speaker 18 (33:51):
But if you don't have lamb shanks, I've done it
with some.

Speaker 17 (33:55):
Dice beef before or dice lamb, and that's absolutely delicious.
If you are a vegetarian and you don't have lamb
or red meat, you can add in the can of
chickpeas or butter beans or lentils.

Speaker 18 (34:08):
It just won't take as long. So we say allow
the lamb shanks to simmer.

Speaker 17 (34:14):
For about two and a half three hours. If you're
obviously doing chip peas, you'd do it for about thirty minutes.
But that's all in the recipe if you're wanting to
do that. We're also adding in some pumpkin so again, potatoes, cumera,
sweet potato, whatever you want to call it. You can
add that into similar it away, and honestly, it just

(34:35):
makes the whole house smell so delicious.

Speaker 18 (34:38):
And while that's cooking, I like to make.

Speaker 17 (34:39):
Up a little wee herbi lemon millet mit. So we
cook up some millets, and millet's just a glutien free grain.
It only takes seven minutes to cook one of mug
on my favorite grains that we'd like to use, but
you can obviously use anything else.

Speaker 18 (34:52):
Cook that up and then we.

Speaker 17 (34:54):
Just fluff it up with the fork, toss through some herbs, lemon,
zest and juice, extraversion, olive oil and almonds, and then
just put some of that in your bowl. Top it
with your we you know, lamb casserole, pumpkin deliciousness, and
you've got yourself a winter warming meal.

Speaker 18 (35:13):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It sounds so good gutting a crowd or a week night,
yeah yeah, And I mean you could quite easily double
it if you've got a big cast role dish or
something like you could experiment with all sorts of different
cuts I reckon as well. Absolutely, just as you're describing it,
it just I feel like I can smell it already,
you know. It's just like one of those dinners that
it's just going to make the whole house smell so good.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (35:36):
Absolutely, We've we've been using a lot of first flight homes,
first light homes, first light farms. Such a great range
of slow coach meats. We actually did They've got like
a box slow coach box which we dabbled in and
that was yum.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh that sounds great. Okay, Look, we're going to make
sure that recipe is up on the news talks you'd
be website. Hey, your podcast is going game buses at
the moment, eh.

Speaker 18 (36:02):
How Yeah. We love the pondy it.

Speaker 17 (36:04):
It's a great time smug on it of our ketch
up the potty Yeah yeah, the potty No. There's yeah,
some really great, great episodes that we've done. One of
our really popular ones about how to build a cost
effective pantry. A lot of people I think, you know,
food and cooking well as time consuming, inexpensive and that

(36:25):
you need every every ingredient out there, but you can
actually do it in a really cost effective way.

Speaker 18 (36:30):
So if you haven't listened to it that one, go
and listen to it right now.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Oh so good. Hey, thank you so much, Rosa. We
really appreciate it. Having a great time in Australia. Don't forget.
Of course, you can hear more of the Two Raw
Sisters on their podcast. You can get incredible recipes through
the Two Raw Sisters app as well, and that slow
cook Moroccan lamb and pumpkin recipe, like I said, will
be on the News Talks. They'd be website.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
know Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
That'd be Hey, thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
For your feedback of this hour. We've had heaps of messages.
I'm glad that I'm the only one who's really excited
about the prospect of Auckland's Central rail Link opening. I
think the latest we have on the opening time is
that it's going to be sometime next year, but I
think probably safe to assume that it's going to be
the latter half of next year. Peter sent me an
email to say Jack totally agree regarding Auckland's Central Rail Link.

(37:21):
It is many decades too late, but better late than ever.
I like you will be queuing up to ride on
it nice and early. Do you know, Peter that I'm
actually such a nerd when it comes to this kind
of thing that my friends and I used to play
a game online where you would design subway systems that
don't exist for cities around the world. So like, we

(37:41):
go online and design a whole imagine a subway system
for christ Church and be like, oh, imagine if this existed,
how cool would that be? Anyway, Yep, there's a reason
it took me until I was about twenty years old
to get my first girlfriend. Peter Margaret flicked me not
to say jack. Regarding Test cricket this morning, Those India
England games were utterly fantastic at the last hour or
so of the series. On the fifth day of the

(38:03):
Fifth Test. I don't think it was the fifth day,
but the last day of the Fifth Test was the
most tense and exciting cricket I've ever seen. The reason
it was so exciting, well, one of the many reasons
even if you're not a cricket fan you can probably
appreciate the drama in this is that an English cricketer,
the last batsman in his team, trying to stop his
team from losing the game. Came out to bat with

(38:23):
a dislocated shoulder in a sling. So he had a
dislicated shoulder right in the sling, put a jersey over
the top, came out with all the pads and was
preparing to bat. The reason I tell you is because
after ten o'clock this morning, it has inspired our doctor
to take a closer look at dislicated shoulders. He's going
to explain how you get them and what to do
if there are things you can do to avoid getting

(38:44):
them again in the future. As well as that, of course,
our feature interview right after the ten o'clock news Australian
idol legend Guy Sebastian performing with us in studio. News
is next. Though it's Saturday morning, I'm Jack tam on
News talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with
Jack team news talk ZEB.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Out of the.

Speaker 12 (39:10):
Stars and his calm Power of the World with some.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
Hundred times.

Speaker 12 (39:26):
Began and Guys Sebastian is an Australasian icon.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
His career has been extraordinary. From winning the first season
of Australian idol back in two thousand and three to
carving out a place on the charts mentoring the next
generation of musical talent as a coach on the Voice Australia.
Guy has been in the spotlight for more than two
decades and now he is embarking on a new chapter
with his tenth, Yes, tenth album. It's called one hundred

(39:57):
Times Around the Sun and Guy Sebastian is with us
in studio No Less Kilda.

Speaker 19 (40:02):
Welcome, thank you, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
It is great to see you here in person. And
it has been a big few years. Right, One hundred
Times around the Sun took five years.

Speaker 19 (40:11):
Yeah, like four in a bit years, four and a
half years. To way too long? Too long?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
No is it too long?

Speaker 10 (40:16):
Though?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
This is the thing because you wrote gazillions of songs
before whittling them down into the select few that made
this record. So talk to us about that process.

Speaker 10 (40:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (40:26):
Look, I love writing. I'm writing every day. I might
not finish ideas every day, but constantly hearing chord progressions
and melodies and always putting little things into my phone
and so I'm constantly creating. And when it comes to
an album, I think early on. You know, I was
on idol, so won the first idle two thousand and three.

(40:47):
I think it sort of makes you.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Feel like it just makes me feel so old, Yes.

Speaker 19 (40:52):
I mean I was twenty one. Then, don't do the math.
If people are watching, don't.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
You look great?

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
You've got just as energy because you're always forty three now.

Speaker 19 (41:01):
Yeah, but just loving the writing process and the creative
process more than ever, I think, just because I've honed
in on all those skills of production and engineering and
musicianship and you know, writing lyrics and so it's it's yeah,
it's something that is a mentality that I had to change.
I think I felt this pressure like don't take longer

(41:22):
than a year, or you're going to.

Speaker 7 (41:24):
Like forget.

Speaker 19 (41:27):
Disappear, you know, become like disappeared to obscurity. And and
then there's like the pressure of doing the right thing
by fans. You know, you don't want to make them
wait too long? What is too long? And so I
used to have that kind of mentality govern a lot
of my my process, whereas obviously I get older and
navigating being a dad and everything else, and yeah, I

(41:51):
just got to this point where like I don't want
to release anything until I am stoked with it, Like,
I want to love every song. I don't want to
filler on there. I want every song to be great.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
So do you find yourself sick and gissing there?

Speaker 15 (42:02):
Though?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
If you don't have a kind of endpoint, is there
a danger that you get into a bit where you're
always like, man, that song's ninety eight percent on point.
But I just want to just give it another couple
of weeks in case something comes up.

Speaker 19 (42:14):
And I can give it a huge danger, massive danger.
I think that the thing I always try and remind
myself of, which can be difficult, is that an album
is a snapshot in time. It's a piece of art
that reflects those that time. Yeah, and you've got to
be comfortable with that and then just hit you know,
go like and go all right, that's it. Yeah, I'm
closing off the project. I'm probably going to wake up,

(42:36):
you know, in a few weeks and hate this lyric.
So I think that's one of the best things about
creating art is you do look back in your cringe,
and that's a healthy thing. It's a healthy cringe because
you know you've moved forward.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I mean, I don't want to to, you know, blow
your trumpet too much. But it sounds like this is wisdom.
What you're describing as wisdom having first of all, the
confidence in your own kind of creative capacity to know
that actually you don't need to put these arbitrary limits
on yourself. You don't need to say, you know, I've
got to have this out immediately, I've got to prove this.
People are going to forget me. You don't have those

(43:10):
kind of concerns. But also you can look at a
piece of work and go, you know what, inherently there
are always going to be things that I'm not every
day of the week one hundred percent satisfied with because
it's a snapshong time. That is wisdom to being able
to look at a piece of work like that.

Speaker 19 (43:27):
Yeah, And when it comes to art, I think a
lot of the way we look at things is it's
not necessarily better, it's just different. And so so there's
there's certain elements of a like as a producer, sounds changed.
I swear by the month you might use a snare,
and in the in the nerdy production world that snare

(43:49):
is now dated like literally weeks. Lady, You're like, oh,
what it still isn't from that sample batch, and so
you're just got to be happy and just move on.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
So you said you write every day and you do
it on your phone. Are you writing lyrics or are
you hearing something and then recording it as a it's
memoy you? Are you humming to yourself? How does that work?

Speaker 19 (44:09):
It's very interesting looking at I love looking at other
people who have songwriters. I love looking at their voice
notes because very interesting. It'll be mainly melodies, and I
might be with on my piano, I might be on
a guitar. I mean, I could play you some some
things off my phone. If there's someone out phone, I

(44:31):
think I left it out there someway something. But it's
generally just things that are that pop into my head.
I've always been so mind blown by that pro like
like where Sometimes I'm like where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Me?

Speaker 19 (44:45):
And and sometimes it's good and you're like where did that?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
That sounds great?

Speaker 19 (44:49):
But like battlescars, for example, I was driving down the
one oh one in LA and I just heard this
melody in my head. I had to pull over before
I forgot and record it before I forgot it. So
I've pulled over I've hit record, and I started actually
singing the words.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
Is battlescar, I just don't look fade gonna change.

Speaker 19 (45:13):
And so then I'm you know, I just resumed my
drive and I get to where I am, and I
pick up my guitar and start playing some chords and
and then I listened to the voice note and I'm like, oh,
I sung battle Scars. That yeah, that actually that really works.
So it was different to when I'm actually really kind
of feeling and processing something and I'm writing intentionally with

(45:34):
lyrics that I need that are coming from an emotion. No,
this was like I just started singing the words about
I wasn't thinking about war or being damaged or trauma
or anything like that. Yet the words battle Scars came
out and then it ended up being the biggest hit
in my career, and I'm I'm David Letterman, and like
it went platinum in the US and from it from

(45:55):
a little random idea while I was driving. So I've
always been just so fascinated where did that come from?

Speaker 7 (46:02):
You know?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Why did that visit me?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
You know, I'm Malcolm glebwell head the theory where it
was like genius comes in two forms. One is where
someone just works and works and works and works and
works and works at their craft their entire career, you know,
dedicate sixteen hours a day their entire life. And another
is like you're like sting. You just wake up in
the area, like every breath you tag and it's like

(46:25):
it took for four minutes and there you go. I'm
you know, going to sell you know, fifteen million of
those records or whatever. And it kind of yeah, it's
either like incredible dedication to an art or just like
this kind of wave of the kind of inexplicable, an explained,
unexplainable genius.

Speaker 19 (46:40):
Which yeah, nature versus nurture.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 19 (46:44):
And I've got an eleven year old who I know
there's things that he is doing at eleven I can't
teach that, no one could teach him. He's got this
instinct like he's he gets emotional when he sings, and
he he does these runs and these scales and these
tricks that are so unbelievably musical that like I know,

(47:04):
adults can't do like adults musicians can't do the same thing.
And I'm not being one of those dads that are
just like gushing about my kid.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
He's really good, he's going to be.

Speaker 19 (47:16):
But Archie is actually he's really musical and really got it,
really great instinct. And but but you know, some may say, well,
genetically he's you're a musician and you're an artist. He's
he's he's a Sebastian. So but it's actually such a
combination of the you know, one huge thing is I

(47:36):
grew up in Salisbury and Adelaide, this tiny suburban Adelaide,
So it wasn't necessarily conducive to oh, dream big, you know,
you can be anything you want. It wasn't necessarily that
sort of culture, especially back then. Whereas for my son,
he just watches his dad on I'm on TV singing
I'm on tour.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Here's my dad.

Speaker 19 (47:56):
He's just like with Oprah and now he's just met
the Pope and they're like, he's watched these big moments
in my life and it's like, oh, yeah, that's not
that's a possibility.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, you know, and yeah, I.

Speaker 19 (48:08):
Think being able to dream that big and feeling like
it's it's achievable is half the battle. But then also
just the practice every single day. He's got that fire
that I had as a kid. He would come home
from school and I swear six hours later he's still
singing and practicing little runs and things like that. So
you know, I think it's the hours that people didn't

(48:29):
see that sting put in. Yeah, yeah, to be able
to pick up the you know, the guitar and right
like half read like you've.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Got you've got to you've got to buy a ticket
if you want to win the lottery. Yes, yes, exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah,
that's such a good point. Look, we are so delighted
to have you in New Zealand. Congratulations one hundred times
around the Sun. And you're going to perform for us,
which is a real treat.

Speaker 19 (48:50):
I'm going to strip it back a little bit. I've
brought my keyboard player in and this is a song
that I released not too long ago, a few weeks
ago from the new album called Maybe, and I've got
Jacks here on keys He's Jacob's a beast on Okay, sir,
thank you, bro, You're ready.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Here we go.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
I know they see you should take it home.

Speaker 19 (49:29):
When you're not looking this wedding, you find some month
it's worth you while.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
Try to stay patient. But how could I? How could I? Oh,
all I know is I'm done, not allie.

Speaker 12 (49:43):
I can't help an if I keep falling head on
the feet, you make a mess out of me.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Oooh, don't want to leave it up to me it
Give me a moment, I'll take a cad. I know
they say that.

Speaker 12 (50:00):
Good things come to those who are wake by, But
I'm hold it.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
The bar got paid up. I've never begod and weed, and.

Speaker 12 (50:12):
I know they say their good things come to those
who wick.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Why Bood I'm holding the bie got paid off. Don't
want to die with you waste to chase. I won't
let you go slipping through my hands. That's why I'm
moving past wanta. Look, I'm already making plans to beat
your man. Oh, all I know means I'm telling them

(50:38):
all in.

Speaker 12 (50:39):
I can't up he of fiky, falling head on the feet,
make a mess.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
Out of me. Oh, don't want to leave it up
to me? Give me a moment, I'll tea can. I
know they say that good things come to those who
are wick.

Speaker 12 (50:59):
Why bood I'm holding if I got paid off?

Speaker 6 (51:05):
Never be good? He waited. I know they say that
good things come to those who wait.

Speaker 12 (51:13):
Why Bood, I'm on good if Fine got plaid off.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
All I know is I'm done. I'm all in. I
can't help it if I keep folding head of the Thief,
you make a mess out of me. Pooh, don't want
to leave it up.

Speaker 12 (51:31):
To lay give me a moment out saegad. I know
they say that good things come to those who wait.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
Why Wood, I'm on good.

Speaker 12 (51:43):
If Fine can't play up payway, they haven't been good.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Wait. I know they say any good things come to
those who wait. Why Wood, I'm older and Fine con't
clean up.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
That was incredible. Thank you so much. That was I've
got like chills up my spine. Guys, that was incredible.
Thank you. Yeah, congratulations on the new album, and thank
you so much for being here. We really appreciate it
having me a great chat. So good that is Guy Sebastian.
His new album is one hundred Times Around the Sun.
Right now, it's twenty past ten. You're with Jack Tame.

(52:34):
This is News Talks.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
He'd be star.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
You're Weekend on the Right Way, Saturday Morning with Jack
Daim News Talks IV.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Twenty three minutes past ten on News Talks, edb Jack,
amazing tune. Jack. That was a wonderful interview, an unbelievably
fantastic song. Jack, wonderful interview. As for that raw singing,
simply amazing Jack. Listening to that interview with Guy Sebastian,
I just want to say, after watching him as a judge,
et cetera, he is such an encouraging and decent person.
The music world is just so lucky to have him.

(53:05):
Best wishes in kindest regards, Thank you so much for
those messages. I've got to say, you know, sometimes, like
I've been working in this business for a long time now,
and sometimes you meet, you know, pretty high profile people
have had really interesting careers, and it's not that they're
divas necessarily, but you can tell that they're sort of
just going through the motions a little bit. Guy Sebastian

(53:26):
is so nice, Like off the here, he is just
so nice. While we're faffing arounding all the microphones ready
so that he can do his performance in studio, all
that kind of thing, I was like, I'm sorry, this
is is to take a few minutes. He was totally fine.
He and I were just yarning away. He was just
an absolute joy to meet. So yeah, it was a
real a real pleasure now before eleven o'clock on Newstalks,

(53:47):
he'd be We're in the garden, and even though things
are a little bit chilly all around the country right now,
our man in the garden says, there are a couple
of things you can do right now. Get planting right now,
strawberries for example, right now. So he's going to give
us his tips on that very shortly. Right now, though,
it's time to get your screen time picks for the weekend.
Tara Walls, our screen time expert. She's here with her

(54:09):
three shows to recommend this week. He Tara, good morning.
Let's begin with a show streaming on Netflix. Tell us
about Wednesday.

Speaker 16 (54:17):
Yeah, this is a new season of Wednesday, which is
Netflix's very entertaining remake of the Adams Family story, directed
and produced by Tim Burton. And as soon as I
say Tim Burton, you understand the vibe. This is a
supernatural fantasy series with a very dark sense of humor
to it. It stars Geno Otaga, and Or Tager and
Catriine Zita Jones, and it's told from the perspective of

(54:39):
the Adams family daughter Wednesday, who is sent to boarding
school and has to use her special powers to solve
a murder mystery, and it's one of those shows that
it brings all the things you remember from the original
Adams Family sitcom, the same characters, the same quirks, but
it still feels fresh and modern. There's lots of special
effects here. It's set in a contemporary world, and I

(55:01):
think that's why it's been such a hit for Netflix.
It's a great mix of the old and the new,
and that probably pulls in lots of generations to it
as well. Tim Burton adds his gothic, creepy acetic to it,
which elevates it as well. But this is a show
that's having fun. It's sharp and dark and funny. It's
a fresh twist on a murder mystery series. And with

(55:22):
Tim Burton behind it, you know it's going to be
quirky and a good time.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah. Superb Okay, that's Wednesday. That's on Netflix. On Neon
tell Us about Outlander.

Speaker 16 (55:31):
Yeah, this is Outlander Blood of My Blood, which is
a new historical drama and it's a prequel to the
series Outlander. Outlander is a very popular show. It's I
think it's eighth season is coming out next year, and
it's based on a best selling book by Diana Gabaldon.
It's about a nurse called Claire who visits Scotland, accidentally
travels back in time to the eighteenth century, and falls

(55:52):
in love with a guy called Jamie Well. This new series,
Blood of My Blood is made by the same team
and it tells the story of Jamie and Clear's parents,
So it's set a generation before Outlander takes place, but
it's very similar to Outland itself. It's still set in
scott still has two different timelines, one in the seventeen
hundreds and one in the nineteen hundreds, and there's two
love stories at play here, so it's not really doing

(56:14):
anything different. It's a bit of time traveling, a bit
of romance, a bit of historical drama. But it will
feel very familiar for Outlander fans. It is supposed to
be a standalone show, so you could start watching this
if you haven't seen Outlander before. It does throw a
lot at you in the first episode, just because it's
setting up so many characters and storylines, So I think
this is one particularly for Outlander fans. They'll be very

(56:37):
excited about this. It's fun to see those familiar characters
pop up in a younger form, and it keeps a
beloved story alive in a slightly different way.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah cool, Okay, that's Outlander, Blood of My Blood. And
also on Netflix Stolen Heist of the Century.

Speaker 16 (56:56):
Yeah. One thing you can rely on Netflix for is
a really strange and unusual and very bingeable true crime
documentary that might go to on a lazy Sunday afternoon.
And this Netflix latest true crime documentary is no exception.
This is Stolen Heist of the Century and it's about
a diamond heist that took place in two thousand and
three and the Diamond district of Antwerp. The thieves broke

(57:18):
into a vault and took millions of dollars in diamonds,
but pulled it off without setting off any alarms or
raising any suspicion. It seemed like the most impossible of crimes.
And so this documentary talks to a lot of people
who were involved, from the detectives trying to solve the case,
to one of the thieves themselves who was the mastermind
behind it all. And there's a bit of you know,

(57:39):
you're not sure who to believe? Can you trust everything
that's been said here? And just so many twists and turns.
It's a very slick watch, drops you straight into the
story straight away, and it's not trying to do anything
too fancy. The story itself is so weird and wonderful
that that's enough to kind of carry the show along.
So yeah, one of those stranger than fiction tales. Lots
of twists and turns, lots of unusual characters and told

(58:02):
in a really entertaining way.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Fantastic. Okay, cool, that's Stolen Heist of the Century. That's
on Netflix Wednesday. Tim Burton's Adams Family drama is also
on Netflix, and Outlander Blood of My Blood. That one
is on Neon. All of the shows will be up
on the News TALKSB website. Jack Guy Sebastian was the
best radio I have heard in months. Fantastic says die

(58:25):
Think You Die ninety two ninety two. If you want
to send us a message this morning, it's just coming
up to ten.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Thirty, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News TALKSB.

Speaker 9 (58:40):
My life is brilliant, My love is pure. I saw
ananga of that Adam show. She smiled at me on
the subway.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
She was with another man.

Speaker 9 (58:57):
I want you some sleep one night because.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I've got come on, you know the words.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
You're beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Oh my goodness. We'll turn it back the hands of
time this morning. You see, we've noticed a bit of
a trend, right. Anniversary tours are increasingly growing in popular popularity.
It's you know, an anniversary tour is like a tour
when a band gets back together to celebrate a significant milestone,

(59:28):
or you know, an anniversary of a legendary album. So
there are two big twentieth anniversary tours that are heading
New Zealand this year. This weekend, block Party Land to
perform their debut album, Silent Alarm in a twentieth anniversary showcase.
And yes, James Blunt will be here later this year
for a twentieth anniversary rendition of his Back to Bedlam album,

(59:51):
which features hits like you Are Like Your Beautiful, you
are beautiful Anyway, it just kind of made us think
a little bit, right, if you turn back the hands
of time twenty years, what did two thousand and five
sound like? It turns out the two thousand and five
was a bit of a cracker in terms of music.
Our music reviewer Stelle Clifford has been going through it

(01:00:14):
as well, looking at all of the hits, all the
albums that were released in two thousand and five, and
she's gonna join us before Midday to Day to walk
down memory lane a little bit and give us her
top picks the best albums of two thousand and five,
the best albums that you will not believe are now
twenty years old. So I'm really looking forward to that.
In a few minutes though, we're going to catch up

(01:00:34):
with our Textbert and it has been a big twenty
four hours or so in the world of technology. Chat
GPT five has just been released. As the name suggests,
Chat GPT has been released in different iterations, so they
have different models of chat GPT and open Ai, which
is the company behind chat gpt, has just released chat

(01:00:54):
GPT five. They say it's better than ever and I've
put it to the test this morning, right, So I
went to chat GPT five and I said, give us
a paragraph on Saturday Mornings with Jack Thames. Sell us
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame. So here's what chat GPT
five had to say. Okay, there is something utterly electric

(01:01:15):
about Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame. It's that perfect blend
of warmth, wit, and inspiration that kicks your weekend into gear.
Imagine easing into the weekend with Jack's calm, assured voice
guiding you through the issues and stories that matter. Always sharp, thoughtful,
and just a touch playful. Whether he's unpacking a hardheading interview,

(01:01:36):
spotlighting and under the radar story, showcasing a musician, or
sharing a lighthearted anecdote that just sticks with you, Jack
makes every minute feel homie yet stimulating. By the time
his show wraps up, you're not just up, you're uplifted, curious,
ready to savor whatever the weekend has in store. I

(01:01:59):
know what you're thinking. Chat GPT five, get your hand
off it, putting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
The tough questions to the newsweaker the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
The increase yet again of kids leaving school with literally
no qualification sixteen percent had nothing zervid seamos assaciet Education ministry.

Speaker 10 (01:02:14):
I think the education systems become less appealing because you
don't have a knowledgeable adult standing at the front telling
you stuff that feels like if you miss out, you're
missing out on something valuable. And that's because of the
erosion of the curriculum. But I think it's also true,
while absolutely critical to run the government education system, well
we need alternatives. And why it's surprised you to know
my version of that is charter school. If you set

(01:02:35):
up a school with flexible fundents, same money and so
you guys need to do something different, then I think
you can start to fix some.

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
Of these problem right back Monday from six am the
Mic Hosking Breakfast with Rain Drover, Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Twenty three minutes two eleven on Newstalk ZEDB. Jack, did
you mum write that review? Very droll? No, that was
Chat GPT five. It has just been released by open Ai,
their latest GPT model. Paul Stenhouse is our text Burton.
He's been looking into it, Hay, Paul.

Speaker 20 (01:03:06):
Yeah, it's good at creative writing, they say, Jack. I
tend to agree, wouldn't you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I just reckon it's maybe a bit over the top,
like just needs to tone things down about in that
case about seventy percent.

Speaker 20 (01:03:16):
They also say that they've managed to get it to
you know, you know, hallucinate less or make things up less.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Okay, but I don't know.

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
Based on what I just heard you read out, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Believe Yeah, I walked into that very good.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Well, they say that it is a little less sycophantic
than some of the other GPT models, and I'm not
convinced that it is in my case necessarily either. But
never mind. So what does it mean that chat GPT
five is here?

Speaker 8 (01:03:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
I mean so.

Speaker 20 (01:03:43):
Sam Outman, who's the CEO of open ai it called
it like a steff change. He referred to it as
you know when your iPhone got the retina display or
your Samsung got one of your high definition screens, and
you looked at it and you went, WHOA, this looks incredible,
and then you looked back at your old iPhone and thought, man,
did I how did I look at this?

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:04:03):
How did I see all these little dots and pixel
on the screen? He thinks that once you've used chat
GBT five you would never want to go back to
four or any other iteration.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
He says, it's just better.

Speaker 20 (01:04:17):
They say that it feels a little more human.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
They say it is.

Speaker 20 (01:04:22):
Apparently great at creative writing and also coding as well,
that two of the things that it's been kind of
trained to do and do well. But I think one
of the things that most importantly it's done and I
don't know if what you read out says this or not,
but they've trained the.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Model to fail, and fail.

Speaker 20 (01:04:41):
Graciously because some of the issues with chet GBT four
was when you actually got it to start doing tasks
and it couldn't solve those tasks. Especially in the coding world.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
It just took shortcuts.

Speaker 20 (01:04:54):
So if you were trying to get it to return
something from a database and it couldn't figure out how
to do it, it would just return you the same value
every time and hard code it, which obviously isn't what
you wanted it to do. It also sometimes would lie
about finishing things.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah right, okay, and so that's not good.

Speaker 20 (01:05:10):
So they've been really working to make sure that it
actually fails and when it can't do something, it tries
to say that it can't do something, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
Which is which is what you can probably want.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
It to do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Right, Okay, that's good. I mean that sounds good. I
saw an example they were doing where they were they
were basically putting in text prompts into the AI bot
and asking it to make games, and it seemed to
be pretty good at that, which is, you know, which
is impressive. But whether or not I suppose it's you know,
that much better than the last gptwo model. Will wait
and see. So so chet GPT though and and open

(01:05:41):
ai are probably still the leaders when it comes to
chatbots by some significant margin, right chat GPT is absolutely
huge at the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I mean they have.

Speaker 20 (01:05:50):
Then they released the numbers this week seven hundred million
weekly users, which is just an astronomical number. In his writs,
that's getting interesting when you're if you're interested.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
In the business aspect of this.

Speaker 20 (01:06:03):
They have five million paying business users, four million developers
utilizing the API, so that's a little bit of an
interesting ratio with five million paying customers seven hundred million
weekly users.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So no surprise.

Speaker 20 (01:06:18):
The company is not yet profitable.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
But some other numbers they mention.

Speaker 20 (01:06:22):
It plans to raise from venture capitalists forty billion dollars
this year, so they obviously need the cash and they
but they are on pace to pull in revenues of
twenty billion dollars by the end of the year. So
you have to kind of do some maths. If they
need forty million forty billion, they're going to have twenty
billion in revenue.

Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
They must be spending.

Speaker 20 (01:06:45):
A ton of money and as you go through and
use these new models, especially this new Chat GPT five,
if you've never paid for Chat GPT, you've probably never
come across a thing called reasoning, which basically is where
the AI starts to talk to itself a little bit,
and so it's spent some time thinking. But of course
that actually makes it kind of more expensive because it

(01:07:07):
needs to go back and use more tokens and use
more computing time and all of these things. So I
can't imagine their costs.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Are going down anytime.

Speaker 20 (01:07:14):
Yeah, but I think there's a lot of people who
use it daily weekly who can't imagine now a life
without it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, yeah, too right. I mean I use it in
all sorts of you know, different parts of my life now.
It is amazing. It often just it just needs a
week tweak from time to time, right, Like it's kind
of always eighty percent there in my experience and just
needs a wee kind of human you know, component, just
to see I like.

Speaker 20 (01:07:41):
That, Yeah, so do I I like that it's not
too perfect, No, kind of helps refine and then I massage.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a good way to think about it. Hey,
thank you so much, Paul, Paul Steinhouse is our text
bit before eleven o'clock We're in the garden. Next up, though,
our doctor is here with his thoughts on how best
to avoid dislocating your shoulder. News you can use on
Saturday mornings on News Dogs. He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Away to kick off your weekend. Then with Jack Saturday
Morning with Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Team News Talk V four to eleven on newtil ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yes, Test cricket fans would have delighted in the drama
of the Final Test between England and India. In the
last session, English cricketer Chris Wokes walked to the crease
with a dislocated shoulder in a sling. He came out
to bat. Fortunately he didn't really have to actually do
any batting. Well unfortunately for his team that lost the game.

(01:08:35):
But it was a moment of drama, a moment of courage,
a moment best avoided if possible, and doctor Brian Betty
is here with his advice on doing just that. Kilder,
Brian kiro Jack, nice to be Here're nice to be chatting.
So what is the shoulder discasion? That start with the basics?

Speaker 21 (01:08:50):
Yeah, yeah, so look, look, the shoulder is the most
mobile joint in the body, and it's called a ball
and socket. So the top of the upper arm has
got a ball on it and it fits into a socket. However,
the socket isn't quite deep enough and it has to
be supported by tendons and muscles. So occasionally the ball
can come completely out of the socket, and we call

(01:09:11):
that a dislocation. Now commonly it dislocates forward, so the
ball comes out forward. Occasionally it dislocates backed back, and
we call that posterior. But it's it's a very very
significant injury if it occurs.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yeah, it's really nasty. And often often the problem is
that once you've had it, you kind of more susceptible
to having it again, right again, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:09:34):
So yeah, so so if it happens once, it happens again.
Often that's the case.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
So my brother has disicated his shoulder, oh I don't know,
three or four times, quite a few times and needed
surgery and stuff. But I remember he did it the
first time playing rugby, and then the second time he
was going for a run and he got swooped by
a magpie and he and he thrust his hand in
the ear as you do kind of reflexively and disicuted

(01:09:59):
his shoulder. It was an absolute fiasco. Yeah yeah, anyway,
So aside from being swooped by a magpie, how do
they happen? What are the signs?

Speaker 21 (01:10:08):
Well, look, generally it's an accident or trauma that causes
a dislocation. So it's some sort of force on the
shoulder that allows the socket the ball to pop out
of the socket. Now, now examples of that are you know,
falling from a ladder and you grab onto the ladder
and hold and wrenches the shoulder, it pops it out.
Sport is really really common. So as we saw with
Chris Wokes and your brother's example with rugby, often a

(01:10:30):
collision in sport or falling onto an outstretched arm will
pop it out. And I suspect that's what happened with
with Chris in his game car accidents. Obviously, direct trauma
is the other thing that can actually cause it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
The other thing you.

Speaker 21 (01:10:43):
Tapped into is some people have very very flexible shoulders
and they can actually dislocate with the simplest thing, so
rolling over in bed or stretching up to put out
the washing that the shoulder can pop out. And I
suspect what happened with your brother is because he'd had
a couple of dislocations. The tendons and muscles are a
bit weak, and that magpie sweep and he puts up

(01:11:05):
his arm, bang out pops the shoulder. And in those situations, yeah,
you do need surgery to try and try and fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Weak muscles. I think that'll be the weak muscles my brother. Yeah, situation. Yeah,
so what do we do about it?

Speaker 8 (01:11:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:11:18):
Look, I mean if it happens, look, it tends to
be incredibly painful. You're not able to move the shoulder.
Occasionally there's numbness down the arm. So and if you
look at the shoulder, you can see that on one
side there will be a bulge where it's popped out
or a depression where it's it's gone backwards. So, look,
if this happens, you need to see a doctor straight away,
either at an urgent care clinic, at your GP or

(01:11:38):
at a hospital. Will generally organize an X ray to
make sure there's no fracture or anything. Then you'll you'll
generally get some sedation so you relax, and then we'll
just give the shoulder of a attraction to try and
pop it back in. Now, generally once it happens, you
need to be in the sling for one to two weeks.
And that's actually what happened with Chris Wokes when he
came out to do to bat at number eleven. He

(01:12:02):
had his shoulder and a sling, so that just just
stops it moving around void listing for about six weeks,
and it can take up to three to four months
to be fully fully back normally using your shoulder, and
you often need quite a bit of physio to strengthen
shoulder and make it work again.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Okay, yeah, it's tricky a and you know, like I say,
you can sort of feel quite susceptible there for a
wee while. Afterwards you can tear the cartilage and all
that kind of thing. But it looks really nasty, so
very much best avoided, thank you so much. Brian. Doctor
Brian Betty is our doctor with us this morning after
eleven o'clock on Newstalks. He'd be our travel correspondent is

(01:12:37):
in this week he is taking us through some of
his top treats and treasures in Edinburgh, one of those
cities that he reckons you've got to go back to.
You know, there are some places you travel to in life,
you're lucky enough to travel to and you think, you know,
this has been amazing, but I probably only need to
come here once. Edinburgh is a city that he's gone
back to a few times and has just every time
delighted him with something new. So he's going to give
us his top tips for visiting Edinburgh after eleven o'clock.

(01:13:01):
Right now, it's ten to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Garding with still sharp one hundred bucks of free except
the reason selected chainsaws.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Hey Minnesota, living on news dogsb you with Jack taime
root climb passes our men in the garden, Yoda Roote
Kyoda Jack.

Speaker 8 (01:13:16):
I loved the little comment you got from one of
the listeners about the railway stations.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Oh yeah, I'm a I'm a big fan. I love
a bit of infrastructure, but a bit of mass transit
subterranean infrastructure is certainly my cup of tea. And you've
you've put me in a note this morning to say
that actually, if we want to get a good sense
of how to complete a rail network, we shouldn't be
looking to infrastructure. We should be looking to a slime mold.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
That's right.

Speaker 8 (01:13:42):
I just thought that is such a good story.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Slime mold if you like.

Speaker 8 (01:13:48):
Cellular creatures that live in in companies there for like
in large machine things whatever, they live there they themselves anyway.
But what they do do is they eat. They eat
oat flakes, for instance. And what some people have done
in Tokyo was they put a net of Tokyo on

(01:14:09):
the table and on every place where they wanted a station,
they put an oat flake. They put a colony of
slime molds in the middle in the main station, if
you like, and see what would happen. And these blinking
things without a brain literally copied the Tokyo railway system

(01:14:29):
with including very much improved systems of getting there better,
quicker and shorter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah, oh, that's amazing. It's incredible, right, Like they've worked
out the most efficient way between those different stations, or
you know, the most efficient way to build a network. Yeah,
it's incredible, incredible.

Speaker 8 (01:14:47):
That's there. You go anyway. I just want to tell
you because this is good fun. Then you can check
it on the website again.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
So tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
When was it not usually thinking about like doing a
whole lot in the garden except for crossings and hoping
for things to get warmer and drier. But there are
actually a couple of bits and pieces we should be
getting onto.

Speaker 8 (01:15:06):
Yeah, and I was getting sick of it. You O, gosh,
it was cold again last night.

Speaker 16 (01:15:10):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 8 (01:15:11):
And then I thought, hell's bells. Strawberries. I usually plant
them a bit earlier than this, and I thought this
was something that because you get a very negative way
of looking at and I thought totally forgotten about it.
So here you go strawberries. You can plant them now, honestly,
and they actually they actually would like a bit of

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a frost fry area, so that quite important. But we
have many cool varieties and if you want some of those,
usually the Zealand Gardener will give you the latest varieties
and so on and support. You can read it all
in there. But kamar Rosa is my favorite here in Canterbury.
It does really well on the hills but also on
the on the on the flats, and it grows quite quickly.

(01:15:55):
Coming coming o real, coming, oh real, Spanish, this is Spanish actually,
And and then the short day varieties as well, like
almost Seascape and sandri Andreos. All these things are now
available at your gund center. And I just wanted to say,
please don't forget because I don't know about you, but

(01:16:17):
I love the strawberries there linking brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
So I just this is a bit cheeky. I just
left mine out and they still seem to be alive.
They still they're still doing. I've got some straw, but
the straw is kind of critical. I probably should have
had straw down earlier to be perfectly, but the straws
quite quite critical for the frosty areas.

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
Right there are the straws important to actually keep them
developing fruit often.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Soil.

Speaker 8 (01:16:43):
That's number one, of course. Yeah, no, that's absolutely that's correct.
You've got it right. But the other thing you could
could have could have done is leave them in the ground,
but take the runners off, and those runners, if you
plant those further up, will become new plants.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah right, yeah, that's great.

Speaker 8 (01:16:59):
So that's another way of doing it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
Ex So next year we're extraally and I most really
put a note in my die. And then there is
this thing called rubib. Now I don't mind rubab. I
like it with my with all my stuff, the crumbles
and the fruity bits for breakfast and all that sort
of stuff. And but here you go, these things are
actually very tolerant of a bit of frost. They don't
mind a bit of frost. In fact, I saw them

(01:17:24):
in Mongolia in the desert where the intertime it's women.
It's twenty oh yeah, it's cool. Actually I also find
weather there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
You made you there, yep.

Speaker 8 (01:17:35):
After non New Zealand variety, but the Gondwana variety, the
god variety. Edwin YESIXA no NPI no please, no, no,
no anyway, but that's the other thing. So good ever,
look at that. This is a good time to look
after you, RUBYB and you'll get them going, make no mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
All right, sir, you have a great weekend. We will
catch again soon. Rude climb past in the garden for us.
After eleven o'clock on News talks HEB, we are going
to tell you about an amazing New New Zealand book
called The Unlikely Doctor. News is X though it's almost eleven.
I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning of this his news
talk z be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Saturday Morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US Talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Good morning if you're just turning on the radio this morning.
Great to have you with us. Jack Tame in the
hot seat today through to twelve o'clock. Hey, you remember,
or a few months ago now, we interviewed Alan Bates,
he of the sub postmaster scandal fame. You know, the
guy who headed up the incredible effort from subpostmasters across

(01:19:06):
the to get some sentilla of justice after they were
done wrong by the Post Office and various other organizations.
We've got a little bit of an update for you
this morning. So one of the sub postmasters who was
in the amazing BBC drama about it all, Lee Castleton,
he is now suing the Post Office and Fujitsu, which

(01:19:26):
you remember was one of the big companies involved with
it all, for more than four million pounds in damages.
You would recognize Lee Castleton if you've seen this series.
He's one of the kind of central subpostmasters and he
went through a terrible, terrible time. He had a legal
battle with the Post Office that was pursuing him over
twenty five thousand pounds that they said had been taken

(01:19:49):
from his branch or was missing from his branch. They
blamed him. It was two thousand and seven. He had
legal insurance at the time, so he had some kind
of legal cover at first, but that quickly ran out
and he ended up representing himself in court and was
landed with a bill for three hundred and twenty one
pounds in legal costs. He couldn't pay it, of course,

(01:20:09):
in the end he had to declare bankruptcy. It was
the only civil claim though that the Post Office brought
against a subpostmaster, and so it was quite a high
profile case. He had just an appalling time for years
and years and years. But then, of course once the
truth came out, Lee was one of many subpostmasters who said,
you know what, actually I want more than just an apology.

(01:20:33):
I want justice and I want damages. And so he
is now suing the Post Office and suing Fujitsu for
more than four million pounds. So we're going to make
sure we keep you up to speed with that because
it really is just an incredible story and kind of
an ultimate David versus Goliath story. So we're very much
on team Lee in this instance. Before Midday on News
Talks B, we're going to turn back the hands of

(01:20:54):
time back to two thousand and five, twenty years ago.
I don't know if you can remember where you were,
but there's a very good chance you're going to remember
what you were listening to for whatever reason. Two thousand
and five was kind of a stalar year in terms
of amazing music that was released. And our music reviewer
has gone through her favorite picks from two thousand and
five because twenty years on, it turns out a lot

(01:21:15):
of the artists who are producing chart toppers in two
thousand and five are now touring the world with anniversary tours.
So she's got her top picks for us before midday.
Right now, though it is ten past eleven, Jack Team,
and we're talking sustainability on news talks. He'd b this
morning as we do at this time every week. Evie
Kemp is in with us this morning, counter ev Kyoto Jack.

(01:21:39):
Winter I can feel a little bit drab, to say
the least, and we often end up kind of reflecting
that feeling in what we wear over winter. I mean,
I'm a real fashionist. Eve One knows that. But just
to break things up, I'm wearing particularly drab colors this morning,
black black, black, dark green and black. So there you go.
But you've got some tips this morning on some styling tips,

(01:21:59):
some sustainable styling tips on zujing things up a little
bit over.

Speaker 22 (01:22:03):
Winter, I do, and I'm your opposite this morning, I'm
wearing a very brightly colored padded jacket and pink dress
and red.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Tights, So very good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Okay, well, yeah, it's keeping warm, well, I mean keep
you warm, but also maybe bringing a little bit of
a little bit of brightness and otherwise exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:22:23):
Yes, yeah, I mean we know we have we have
the issue with shorter days, darker days, and generally just
feeling a bit down, and it's just so nice to
use your winter wardrobe to inject a bit of personality
and life like, not just for yourself, actually just walking
around when you see someone wearing a lovely bright jumper
or hat or coat, it just does boost your mood.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah, no, totally. So the most sustainable way to do
things is obviously to use what you've already got. What
are some of your top tips on utilizing and maximizing
stuff you've already got in your wardrobe?

Speaker 22 (01:22:57):
Yeah, well, I think it's about firstly layering things that
there's there's things you can actually wear all year round,
and especially in a lot of row. You know, our
wea there isn't two extremes, so we can put some
good Marino layers on underneath or on top. I like
to wear summer dresses, but I might wear a big
chunky sweater over the top and use it more like

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a skirt. That might not be something that's so much
that you would do jack, but.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 22 (01:23:27):
Never know, you no, absolutely not. And also then just
sort of working with what you've got in terms of
having a bit of an audit and seeing is this
stuff that you could have altered to fit better or
things that you could repair, Especially when it comes to footwear,
you know, if you've got quality boots and shoes, it
actually really is worth going and getting them fixed or

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almost having a little tune up before winter, and they'll
see you through and then they'll see you through for
another few years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
It's also just it's just deeply satisfying. There's something about
doing that. Like even like I had some shoes I
thought were getting a bit old and tatty, and then
I just wind of got them re sold and it
just obviously made a difference in terms of the shoe.
So I felt so virtuous.

Speaker 11 (01:24:08):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:24:09):
I know, I'm laughing because I'm like, I'm exactly the same.
I'm almost like I want to walk around and say like, yes,
that's right, I did get these shoes resource.

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
So what kinds of pieces do you reckon probably have
the most kind of longevity.

Speaker 22 (01:24:23):
Well, I think it's like things like coats, shoes, boots,
really good quality netwear as well, those kind of things.
They're not necessarily so much as sort of a trend
based item. They're things that you can really you can
express your personality, but they will last years and years
and years decades even.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Okay, hot fashion take here. I reckon knitwear has just
come back in the biggest way. And this is not
anything particularly new, Like I'd say there's been around for
at least five years, maybe longer, but I reckon there's
a little window there when itwear wasn't very cool and
it's just come back, and like knitwear is properly cool,
is it?

Speaker 16 (01:24:59):
Oh it's so cool?

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:25:01):
Yeah, No, you're so right, and you're right with the
timeline as well. But I don't think it's going away.
And there's all these amazing ness is doing really creative things,
and of course, you know, wool is in our DNA
here in New Zealand, so it's just a really cool
way to keep warm. But it's also something that you know,

(01:25:21):
you could actually get a bit crafty yourself. You know,
it's kind of like chop wood. It will keep you
warm twice or whatever they're saying is kind of the
same if you you pick up the needles and you
get yourself a scarf or something.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
You know, yourself, if.

Speaker 22 (01:25:34):
You thought you were virtuous getting your shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Yeah, So if you do have to go shopping, op
shops are a good place to start.

Speaker 22 (01:25:42):
Shops are amazing, you know, like there's just so much
good clothing already out there, and if you just sort
of shop with a bit of an eye to what
will really last and what you'll really enjoy, and also
perhaps even what you could repair or refurbish, then you
can find some real gems, especially on items that otherwise
would be really really expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Are there other options I've seeking hand shopping.

Speaker 16 (01:26:05):
Oh, there's so many op.

Speaker 22 (01:26:07):
There is online here, We've got trade Meet, We've got
designer wardrobe, there's great consignment stores you sell more designer items,
places like recycled Boutique or Perl Call. We have Encore
and Tatties. And then also even just sort of local
markets or swap events stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Yeahs are a bit of a thing now they've become.

Speaker 22 (01:26:28):
A Yeah, you just have to be willing to get
rid of some things at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Yes, yeah, yeah, No, my wife is a big fan of,
like of popping onto design of wardrobe and seeing what's
going and yeah, so it's obviously good and besides the
like the bold and beautiful you reckon that. One of
the keys to seeking hand shopping is looking for those
bits that actually might need a little bit of work,
but something manageable and you can turn it into a

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bit of.

Speaker 22 (01:26:53):
Magic exactly, like stuff like a bobbled sweater. But if
it's beautiful one hundredercent wool, you know, get it, debobble
it and give it a nice wash and some shampool
wool soap and it will just come up like new. Yeah,
you know, things like that, things that will that just
need a little bit of care. But you look for
quality and natural materials generally.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Okay, So most sustainable way to do things is not
to buy anything seekind most is to go seek in hand.
If you do have to buy something brand new, how
can you stay kind of mindful of shopping sustainably.

Speaker 22 (01:27:29):
Well, we do have a lot of great brands here
in New Zealand, brands like Koto Mile, people who are
producing great sustainable clothing that will really stand the test
at a time. And the nice thing about when you're
buying quality is not just for yourself, but actually if
you do decide, you know, maybe you change size or

(01:27:51):
your style changes, but because it's quality, you could even
on sal it later, so it doesn't then go to landfill.
It it continues to live a life.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Yeah, oh fantastic. Hey, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
Ev.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
We really appreciate your time this morning. Where can people
find you on the social media channels?

Speaker 22 (01:28:06):
I am on Instagram mostly and I'm there at ev
Kemp and my website is evkemp dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Easy. Hey, thank you so much. That is Ev Kemp
with her sustainability tips for us for getting through the
dreariest and drudgerist, drudgist drudgiest parts of winter. I got
there ninety two. If you want to send us the
message this morning, our travel correspondents in a couple of minutes,
I've just got to share this text with you though.
It came through from Mark during the during the news

(01:28:32):
bullets and so before eleven o'clock. We were talking about
disslocating your shoulder, and I was explaining how my brother
has had the misfortune not only of dessicating his shoulder
on several occasions, but of dissiccating it while going for
a run when he was swooped by a magpie and
so he reflexively raised his arm in the air to
protect himself from the magpie. Turns out a very similar

(01:28:53):
thing happened to Mark. Good morning Jack. I desicated my
squat out my shoulder when I fell backwards playing squash.
Next time, though, I dissicated it when attacked by seagulls
went out for a run in Parwanui. Honestly, Mark, you
and my brother could form a little it is. I
hope you can see the funny side of things, but
it is really painful from all accounts. So I hope
that your shoulder has managed to remain and socket in

(01:29:16):
the time since right now, at seventeen past eleven on
news Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Travel with Wendy Woo Tours. Where the World is yours book?

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Now, Mike Gord, he's our travel corresponding. He's here this morning.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
Hey, Mike, good morning Jack.

Speaker 23 (01:29:29):
Are you going to be coming live from Alaska this
time next week.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I know, how amazing. I love how So you're just
referencing Donald Trump and his impending meeting with Vladimir Putin.
Interesting that they're meeting in Alaska. Yeah, I mean it's
kind of like halfway for both of them.

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Actually I wonder what the time? What the flight time
from Moscow to Alaska is? Anyway? Have you been to
Alaska and you've been to Alaska?

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
I have.

Speaker 23 (01:29:56):
I'd love to go and do more. I haven't been
to Anchorage and I haven't done What did you do
a few years ago? Was it the dog's sweating or something?

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
I covered the idea to rod in Alaska. There's a
New Zealand team who were in the iditod sled race.
And actually I did go dogs leading in Alaska, which
was very cool. You have to say the thing about
dog sleating not a very comfortable way of traveling.

Speaker 7 (01:30:19):
It would be my how are we could imagine?

Speaker 21 (01:30:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Yeah, but but but amazing. And actually, the thing I
remember most about Anchorage, apart from it feeling like a
big mining town, is I had a an incredible reindeer
breakfast burrito or nice. I still think about that thing.
It was like three days worth of calories and it

(01:30:43):
was just it was amazing. I was cold, and I've
been out filming all night and I finally made my
way back to this place and made my way back
to a diner and had like a raindeer reindeer breakfast burrito,
and I was like, yeah, this is.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
Yeah, I highly recommend Dancer. Yes, Britson blazon the works.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
I suspect that I suspect that Vladimir won't be won't
be indulging in a breakfast read. Who knows, Yeah, who knows. Hey, Anyway,
we're turning our attention to another top spot this morning.
You've got your top treats and Treasures in Edinburgh, and
it is one of those special cities loaded with intrigue
no matter how many times you visit.

Speaker 23 (01:31:21):
Right, totally, Jack, It's beauty is rugged, not shiny. I
think that's part of the attraction. It's a brooding sort
of place, imposing. I reckon Edinburgh is the movie set
of your dreams, and it's one of those cities where
that oft described phrase hidden gems really is so true.

(01:31:42):
They're just everywhere, so many stories spilling forth from the cobbles.

Speaker 7 (01:31:46):
So what I love about Edinburgh, and I've been there
a few times since.

Speaker 23 (01:31:50):
I always come away with a few more surprises, you know,
as if I have just sampled a few more secrets,
and it's just one of those cities that you can
just nibble on time and time again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Yeah, for sure. There's quite a lot of dark history
in the city though.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
Oh man, so much.

Speaker 23 (01:32:06):
And I reckon one of the biggest stains would have
to be Edinburgh's past hysteria for witch hunting. So if
you find yourself waiting to get into Edinburgh Castle, you'll
be standing on Castle Esplanard where the military tattoo is
held right now actually every August, and on that esplanade
check out witches. Well, so this is like this big

(01:32:28):
cast iron fountain and it's on the site of where
they reckon. Somewhere between three hundred and five hundred women
were burnt at the stake on that exact site. So yeah,
back in the day, of course, they were first taken
to the lake and if they didn't drown, they were
determined miraculous, so they must be a witch. So then

(01:32:50):
they were taken to Castle Esplanade and burnt to death.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yes, so there's definitely there are a few flaws in
that testing system around there, to say the least, but
it's a huge three to five hundred. I didn't realize that. Yeah,
it was that many. A lot of Old Edinburgh's now underground, right,
can you go subterranean?

Speaker 23 (01:33:09):
Yes, I was thinking of you in the city rail
link Jack, and I'm with you, subterranean rocks. The old
town in Edinburgh is stacked like a pancake, literal.

Speaker 7 (01:33:20):
Layers upon layers of civilization.

Speaker 23 (01:33:22):
So one of the really cool encounters is to venture
underground into Mary King's clothes. This has just got so
much history, this little pocket of underground Edinburgh. The thing
that blew me away is they reckon the locals that
this was one of the worst places to be in
the seventeenth century when the Bubonic plague swept through, because

(01:33:45):
virtually everyone died in Mary King's clothes. Those that survived
were treated by a plague doctor called George ray and Man.
He would slice off the top of the victim's saw
and then jam a red hot poker into the wound
to cauter horize it. So it was a really aging technique,

(01:34:07):
but it actually proved to save people's lives. So that's
the sort of anecdotes you will glean when you're down under.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Yeah, you don't want to think about that too much.
So do you go for the best city views.

Speaker 23 (01:34:21):
This is a really good insider's tip that I got
off a local. So chances are you'll strike some grizzle
todays weatherwise in Edinburgh. Good place to go the National
Museum of Scotland. Say hello to Dolly the Sheep and friends.
But then take the lift to the seventh floor of
the museum because that opens out onto the rooftop terrace.

(01:34:43):
And I mean, Edinburgh's got some great viewpoints, right, But
to be slap bang in the middle of the old
town seven stories up with that starling three point sixty
vantage point. Man, it's got the medieval rooftops, the bustle
below you can see Arthur's seat backdropping the whole city.

Speaker 7 (01:35:02):
It really is a special spot.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Good So the new town is home to all of
the Georgian architecture. A where's the best spot?

Speaker 23 (01:35:09):
Yes, Charlotte Square is stunning, so this is a masterpiece
in historic urban planning with all those Georgian townhouses around
the square. But it's sort of like a little microcosm
of Scotland's best and brightest. So back in the day
you had Alexander Bell living at number fourteen, Lord Lister

(01:35:30):
of Listerine fame at number nine.

Speaker 7 (01:35:33):
JM.

Speaker 23 (01:35:33):
Bowry aka Peter Pan frequently stayed at number seven, and
number six is the ten downing Street of Scotland, home
to the country's first minister. So Luminary's Hello Charlotte Square
is very much like the epitome of living, breathing history
in Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Oh yes, the city's got no shortage of historic pubs.
Any top piece you can share.

Speaker 23 (01:35:57):
A couple of quick taps. I would go to Deacon
Brodie's tavern on the Royal Mile. And I didn't realize this,
but Deacon Brody was the inspiration for Robert Loward's Lewis Stevenson's.

Speaker 7 (01:36:08):
Jeckel and Height.

Speaker 23 (01:36:09):
So Brody was this acclaimed carpenter by day by night,
a recidi as to Burglar. He basically broke into all
the wealthy houses that had been working on earlier in
the day and it just went on for ages. When
he was executed, apparently it was one of the most
biggest turnouts for an execution in Edinburgh when they decided

(01:36:31):
to knock him on his head.

Speaker 7 (01:36:33):
So all that history is told of the pub.

Speaker 23 (01:36:36):
And then also on Candlemaker's Row, you've got to check
out Grayfire's Bobby's Bar. This is like a shrine to
Edinburgh's most famous pooch. So the story goes Jack that
this dog stood vigil and slept at his owner's grave
for fourteen years after his master died, and now he's

(01:36:58):
laid to rest next to his owner's grave in Greyfriars Churchyard,
which is very close to the namesake pub. Disney actually
made a film about the Bobby, So yeah, that's a
great spot for a dram or two.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
And what's the must do for fans of the royals
in Edinburgh.

Speaker 23 (01:37:15):
We'll definitely taken on board to her of the yacht Pretannua,
which is permanently birthed at Ocean Terminal and Leath.

Speaker 7 (01:37:21):
It's access all areas. That's what I think blows people away.

Speaker 23 (01:37:24):
The ship was left in situ after it was decommissioned
and you can explore every nook and cranny, the state
reception rooms, the Queen's bedroom left exactly as they were
and I love this. You can even see Princess Margaret's
numerous cigarette burns.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
She was quite careless.

Speaker 6 (01:37:42):
I don't think his.

Speaker 23 (01:37:43):
Sister would have been very impressed. But there's just another
stirring slice of Edinburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, ah, so good. That sounds amazing. It's been years
years since I've been to Edinburgh, but you hit the
nail on the head. It feels like one of those
cities you can go back to time and time age.

Speaker 16 (01:37:55):
Na.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Yeah, oh sounds so good. Thanks Mike. All of Mike's
treats and treasures in Edinburgh will be up on the
news talk c'd be website before midday. We are looking
at some of the top albums from twenty years ago.
Feeling a little bit nostalgic on news stork Zibbe this morning.
So our music reviewer has gone and picked out her
favorite records from two thousand and five. As well as that,

(01:38:17):
we're going to tell you about this amazing new book.
It's called The Unlikely Doctor. It's by a guy called
Tim Motti Timoki, and he has had the most extraordinary life, right.
He's experienced gang life in prison, but has made his
way into being a doctor in his fifties. So our
book reviewer is going to tell us a little bit
about tim Mouti, Timoki's story and the Unlikely doctor when

(01:38:38):
she joins us very soon. Right now, it has just
gone eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Thirty, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
I'm sorry, hi, Digrass.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
This is the Kuys, the Chiefs, twenty years old. Every day,
I love you less and less. We're gonna look at
some of the top albums and top songs from two
thousand and five with our music review very shortly right
now though twenty seven to twelve after midday. Of course,
Jason pine is in for Weekend Sport this weekend and
Steve Hanson kicking off the show this afternoon.

Speaker 24 (01:39:32):
Piney and d Jack Here's looking forward to getting his
unique insight into the big sports story of the week.
Richie Moore Wonga is coming home. He will be here
midnext year. He'll place some NPC and then be available
for blit Uslow Cup and of Year tour and then
all of twenty twenty seven of course, which includes the
Rugby World Cup. So Steve was an All Blacks coach.
He's now coaching in Japan. So yeah, because it's a

(01:39:54):
good deal for New Zealand rugby. It's a very good
deal for Richie Mwonga from what I can see, he
gets the chance to kind of parachute in I guess,
play a World Cup and then if he wants to
go back to Japan and earn some more YenS. So look,
there's a lot of layers to this. How's Boden Barrett feeling.
How's Damien McKenzie feeling. How's Richie Mounger himself feeling? Because

(01:40:14):
it feels, as I raised, it's got all his eggs
in the basket and the Muwonga basket. Really he's you know,
made no secret of the fact that he that that
Richie Moonga is his quarterback, as he's called him. So yeah,
there's there's a lot to unpack when it comes to
this deal.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Yeah, it is very interesting, isn't it. Like you just
think about the psychology within the team, like you know,
for the remainder of this season, the start of next
year as well, like you know, so much of coaching
and I think Scott Robinson would be the first to
say this. Especially his ethos around coaching is around building
culture and you know, managing different personalities and expectations and

(01:40:52):
all those kinds of things. So you can't imagine that's
pretty tricky, absolutely, you know, for it to be this
overt that the parachuting, and you know, tricky for Moonger
as well as the others.

Speaker 24 (01:41:04):
I think for like, I wonder like if you bote
him and bot em Barrier strikes me as a very
level headed chap but he must when he get when
and if but when he gets picked to wear the
ten jersey against Argentina and against South Africa later in
the year, I wonder if even a small part of
him thinks to himself, looks across at as coach and
thinks that guy Raiser would prefer somebody else to be

(01:41:24):
wearing this ten jersey, not me.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure it does. But man, look
maybe that's a good maybe, maybe that's a great motivator,
you know, for a lot of ani. But yeah, it's
a very intriguing kind of you know, psychological you know situation,
I suppose, and one for which I'm sure Steve Hanson
will have lots of insights. So how you feel about
the warri is chances tonight?

Speaker 24 (01:41:46):
I'm very nervous about this game. I must say it's
a big game. Penrith won again last night. That's nine
in a row for them now, so their early season
trials and tribulations long for god and they're into the
top four now. So for the first time since Round six,
the Warriors could finish a weekend outside of the top four.
If they lose tonight, they will look it's I'm great

(01:42:08):
news this morning. James Fisher Harris's back. That is a
big boost to this team. He'll lead the side and
you know his influence on this team is absolutely crucial.

Speaker 14 (01:42:20):
Ye don't know, Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
All, Yeah, and take of breath.

Speaker 24 (01:42:27):
It would be huge if they could go there and win,
not just because it would break out, you know, a
two game at home losing streak, but beating the Bulldogs,
who are also a top four side. We'll have designs on.
It feels to me, Jack can I said this to
you last week. I think that Penrith will be in
the top four, So will the Storm, so will the Raiders.
One other team will be and tonight's game between two

(01:42:47):
of those contenders, the Worries and the Bulldogs, might go
a long way towards the siding which of those two
was actually there at the.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
End, totally agree, well said, thank you, sir. Looking forward
to this afternoon. Jason Pine will be with us for
weekend sport right after the twelve o'clock news. Steve Hanson
his first guest this afternoon, taking your calls no doubt
as well. Right now it is twenty four to twelve.
We've got your book picks for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Next Saturday morning with Jack Team fulk Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News talks'd be twenty one to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
On News Talks. He'd be Katherin Rains as our book reviewer.
She's here with her two recommendations for us this weekend. Hey, Catherine, Jack,
really looking forward to the details and your thoughts on
this one. Tell us about the Unlikely Doctor by Timorti Timoki.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
This is just really.

Speaker 25 (01:43:32):
Interesting and fascinating and a completely different life that I know.
And so starting where he is now, he's just graduated
after six years at med school, which he graduated at
fifty six, and he's working at as a house officer
at Minimal Hospital. But actually where Timahoe starts in the
first six years of his life is almost idyllic compared

(01:43:55):
to the rest of his story, and he's raised by
Alders and his family, and he describes them himself as
almost the best years of his life because when he
was born, his mum wasn't ready to be a mum,
and he goes to live with his choru, and we
need to his mum decides to take him back, and
he ends up with her and her partner, and they
were dysfunctional and substance abuses, and he's beaten mercilessly, really

(01:44:18):
by his stepfather, you know, almost up to three times
a week. And so by the time he turns thirteen,
he's a really broken man and he's acting out and
he doesn't care about anything or anyone, and he feels
like he's really not meant to be anything. And around
that time he starts sniffing petrol and glue and he

(01:44:39):
ends up in trouble and boys homes and becomes embroad
with gangs and finds himself behind bars, and then he
finds his moment in Waikia in his twenties, and he
realizes at that point the next time he ends up
between bars, he won't be leaving and he gets out
and he's still acting up, and he has these incremental

(01:45:00):
moments of changes, he describes them, and within a year
he's left the gang and he's getting some work and
after fifteen years of kind of living in Australia, he
comes back to New Zealand with the plan to be
a paramedic in study medicine. And then, because you know,
life's full of ups and downs, he finds himself on
a manslaughter charge following an incident with a man on

(01:45:21):
Dominion Road late at night where he had been working
at a drug and alcohol were with dilgertation center part time,
and he tells the story really interestingly. He says, because
he's mari and because he's poor, and because he's got history,
they charged him with manslaughter. And it's really interesting to
read in the book and it covers it in a
lot more detail. But the lawyer's lawyer essentially comes back

(01:45:43):
and says to him, I'll get three and you get
three and a half years if you plead guilty and
that other than that, they're just going to go for
the maximum. And he's like, but I haven't done anything.
And the easiest thing for him to do is except
that for something he didn't do, and he he's in
the end, he's found not guilty, and it's actually revealed
in this time that the police made the decision to
charge him without consulting the Crown Solicitor, and it's now

(01:46:06):
claim that he's lodged with the way Tanga Tribunal. But
he talks a lot about the barriers that have been
placed in front of him and also the potential of individuals,
and the real message in his story is about being
poor and classed in a certain way by society. And
it's a really eye opening story and I think every
New Zealander should read this, and I think it makes
you really think about people and their potential.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Sounds incredible, Okay, great, So that is The Unlikely Doctor
by Tim Molty to Morkey. There's going to be a
movie as well, I think, Catherine.

Speaker 25 (01:46:36):
It sounds what a life, yeah, and it doesn't tell
itself in the way of a Hollywood story because it
just there's the things that happen and he really yeah,
it's just you know, now they you know, and go
to medical school in his late forties and he's now
a doctor and you know, I mean incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah, all right, Okay. The Unlikely Doctor by Tim Hawlty
tu Mourchy is your first book next up something completely different,
but Noah, none of the is fantastic. The Stars Are
a Million Glittering Worlds by Gina Buttson.

Speaker 25 (01:47:07):
It is a set across a fifteen year period and
said in Guatemala and Australia and New Zealand, and it
kind of includes our recent history of the global financial
crisis and the COVID lockdowns. And the main character, THEA,
is really running from her past and sort of friendships
and tragedies along the way. And the story begins with

(01:47:27):
a tragedy and you're not really explicitly told what it is,
and it creates this mystery that's kind of always there
in the back of the story, and it's the secret
that drives her and keeps her moving from place to
place and drifting and never really finding peace and all
of these things that have been unset in her life

(01:47:47):
for so long. And she meets with Chris as this
man that she thought she could have the possibility of
having more than a friendship with until he kind of
introduces her to his girlfriend Sarah, and despite this, they
all become really good friends. And this friendship's played out
in San Pedrow and a Quamalon town on the sure
of Lake Italian, and it's easy to imagine the place.

(01:48:09):
It's beautifully described and this energy and their friendship and
the culture and the way of the life. But there's
all these elements to their friendship and those kind of
toxic bits with things left unsaid and guessing what secrets
the other has and how can they trust each other,
And then tragedy rewrites life again. Anthia finds herself in
Tasmania in a relationship and testing her and these unanswered questions,

(01:48:34):
and it's really a book about how our past catches
up with us and becomes a central part of change
and this grief and mistrust and it's a really interesting
but you can always feel the kind of vibrancy of
these different places and these different worlds that she lives in.
It's through very well told story.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Nice Thank you, Catherine. So Catherine's picks this week The
Stars Are a Million Glittering Worlds by Gina Buttson and
The Unlikely Doctor by Tim Morty Timurky. Both of those
books will be up on the News Talks. They'd be
website giving the.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Inside scoop on all you need to know Saturday Morning
Jack Team News Talks at the.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Wow That's block Party. They're playing at the christ Hips
Town Hall tomorrow night, playing at Auckland Spark Arena on Tuesday.
It is twenty years since they released their debut album,
Silent Alarm. That song is called Banquet A Stell Cliff
at our music reviewers here this morning, and we're doing
things a bit differently, Estell. We're celebrating two thousand and five,

(01:49:47):
turning back the hands of time.

Speaker 26 (01:49:49):
Yeah, all the albums that are turning twenty this year
block party.

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
Do you know?

Speaker 26 (01:49:52):
They cracked it when they gave one of their singles
to friends, Ferdinand lead Men. He shared it with a
BBC one radio DJ who played it like just put
it straight on. Oh my gosh, she's did so much
trouble if he did that now, And then everyone was like,
well they they are amazing, and it sort of took
off from there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Isn't that funny? It feels like the last kind of time,
the last period of time on which you could be
discovered that way, don't you think?

Speaker 12 (01:50:16):
I know?

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
Right?

Speaker 15 (01:50:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:50:17):
Absolutely, And it started pushing things online like that's when
people started doing some of the online releases. But yeah,
such a cool way to sort of get noticed, and
so why not. Twenty years sounds like a really long time,
but when I say two thousand and five, it doesn't
sing that long.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
Weird anyway, I feel the same way.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:50:36):
Oasis currently on the reunion tour, mostly doing songs from
What's the Story, But they did have a massive album
twenty years ago with.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
The important to Be There, You Go There, Yeah song
this is the song that Don't Believe the Truth is
the album?

Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 26 (01:51:07):
It was funny too because some of the reviews they
got back then was like people were comparing them to
the Beatles in the Kinks with songs like that. So
a massive tour for those guys as they relive there
are ninety two thousands moments.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
So that was twenty years ago. The Black Eyed Peeple
Monkey Business twenty years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:51:22):
Oh so I.

Speaker 26 (01:51:23):
Smashed that album. I could not stop playing it. It
was kind of controversial because some people didn't really like
Fergie becoming.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Partner Gone mainstream.

Speaker 26 (01:51:32):
Yeah, yeah, and look, it probably did get them a
little more mainstream with some of the radio heads.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
They were every week.

Speaker 26 (01:51:42):
As one of those ones where people are like, I
don't want to ever listen to it again. Actually, when
you go back to it, you're like, hello, my humps
hiparious so great with my heart. Yeah, and you guys
are going to we're going to play some of that
in a little bit. First of all, let's go back
to Gorillas. So this was a band doing that real
art pop trip hop. But the song on that album

(01:52:05):
that I love Demon Days is deare got a little
bit of that for you just to remember.

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
So good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
As soon as you hear that, you know you.

Speaker 26 (01:52:22):
And it was just something so different because it wasn't
even about it was about imagery that was cartoon and
something so different. They decided with that album not to
tour it but instead to do residency shows. So they
set up in Manchester for five nights and then in
New York for five nights, and they played the album
in its entirety, and they also had lots of the
featured artists came and performed with them, like De La

(01:52:44):
Soul and Nina Terry's mind blowing like so cool. So
we were doing that kind of music, but we were
also doing paramour kind of music. In two thousand and five,
so their album That's just We All We Know is
Falling Hailey Williams had actually signed to Atlantic Records. They
wanted her to be a solo pop artist. She's like,

(01:53:06):
I'm not the next Madonna, and so then she forms
the band and they take it away and become paramore
into incredible stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:53:13):
So yeah, amazing.

Speaker 26 (01:53:15):
There another huge one which I'm like, really this was
twenty years ago, Pushed the Button.

Speaker 13 (01:53:20):
Oh sugar babe, Yeah, well by By that feels like
twenty years to me.

Speaker 16 (01:53:31):
Maybe actually the sound of a day.

Speaker 26 (01:53:33):
Yeah, that song and ugly like they were, Yeah, yeah,
absolutely everywhere. So yeah, twenty years from Taller and more
Ways is the album.

Speaker 5 (01:53:44):
That that comes from.

Speaker 26 (01:53:45):
We've probably already a lot of people will be replaying
Fit Freddy Drop after DJ MO just recently passed away.
But based on a true story is also twenty years.

Speaker 16 (01:53:54):
Old this year.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Do you know what I was saying. I was saying
the week that move passed. I was saying, I remember
buying the album. I remember waiting for the day when
it was released, I remember buying the physical album. I
remember it in my bag and this like feeling of
being like, oh man, I just need to get home
so I can play this album. I need to get
home so I can play this album. I don't think
i've I've ever experienced anticipation for an album like that,

(01:54:17):
and it was so successful, right BBC World Widelessness voted
an Album of the Year in two thousand and five
it and it.

Speaker 26 (01:54:23):
Won New Zealand Music Award for Best Album. And it's
one of those ones you can still play now and
love so much watching them do that. They were in
Walkers on the Wellington Waterfront and they rode into the harbor.
Oh yeah, and that's where they made the music video
for Hope. So yeah, yeah, no, and especially you got
to see them so often, Like That's what I remember

(01:54:44):
about that album coming out, that they were so accessible
at the same time, so.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Yeah, as well as as well as all that extra
mentions Kaisa Chiefs, Coldbloy, Headaches and Why Judas pre Sead,
Angel of Retribution, Stereophonics, Love, Sex, Violence, other in Your Honor.
That was I mean, that was an absolute monster, Panic
at the Disco, The Strokes, Nickelback, Pussycat Dolls, Robbie Williams, Madonna.
It was an amazing year. How do you rate two
thousand and five?

Speaker 26 (01:55:09):
I love two thousand and five. I still love so
many of those albums you need to revisit them. So
let's just do ten out of ten and start spinning
some of those and you get stuff to the live
jags when they come block party like you say tomorrow
night and christ Oh so good.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Hey, thank you so much to Stella. Stale Clifford as
our music reviewer with us this morning seven to twelve.
On News Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Team News Talks at.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
B it is racing very quickly towards midday. On News Talks,
he'd be don't forget after twelve o'clock kicking off weekend
sport this afternoon Steve Hansen with Jason Pine. They'll be
looking at that decision to bring Richie Muonga back from
his stint in Japan just in time for the Rugby
World Cup. Thank you very much for all of your

(01:55:55):
communication this morning, your text and your emails. I love it.
I love you, I really do for everything. From our
show news Talks, he'd be dot coda on his z
ed Ford slash Jack is the best play to go.
Thanks to my wonderful producer O Libby. We're going to
leave you with one of these sounds of two thousand
and five, one of the ear worms of two thousand
and five. To close out the show this morning, this
is the Black Eyed Peas. Don't funk with my heart.

(01:56:18):
See you next week.

Speaker 8 (01:56:50):
You got mars l Do.

Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
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Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
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