Full Show Podcast: 10 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
Morn in a good morning welcome to news Talks, ed
Vedum Jack Taine with you through to twelve o'clock midday today.
So my mum texted the family group the family group
chat last Sunday morning at about nine o'clock, and she
said Happy Mother's Day everyone, and I had that feeling
about just I felt like my heart's skipper beat, like
just this this kind of panic, you know, the old

(01:06):
sweat that feeling. Anyway, Mum, of course had got it wrong.
She'd just been kind of confused by all of the
advertising that always comes with Mother's Day. But if you
want to avoid the feeling that I had last Sunday morning,
now is the time to act. And if you haven't
got your Mother's Day plans sorted for tomorrow morning, we
have a great little tip for you. Before ten o'clock

(01:27):
this morning, we are making no fuss sticky buns, a
delicious recipe to treat your mum tomorrow morning that I
will share before ten o'clock. And then I've got a
number for you this morning. One hundred and ninety one million,
forty one million, seven hundred and thirty seven, one hundred
and ninety dollars. What would you do if you had
to spend that much money in the next twenty years.

(01:49):
You might think, oh, that sounds easy giving away two
hundred billion dollars. I think only a hunch. I think actually,
it's a whole lot harder than you might imagine. But
that is the challenge that Bill Gates faces. He now
says he wants to give away all of his money
everything over the next twenty years. He does not want
to die a rich man. So we're going to tell
you a bit more about that after ten o'clock this morning.

(02:11):
Right now, it's eight past nine Team the center of
the world. It's a funny concept, really, because on a
planet with more than eight billion people, the world's attention
never settles on any one event or any one thing
for much more than a moment. Most of the time,

(02:32):
you would probably argue that the world's attention is kind
of divided and scattered. It takes an historic moment something
really big, a really truly significant event. To tone those
eight billion sets of eyes to one point, and to
be there in person to actually experience it for yourself

(02:56):
is to be an eyewitness to history. I met a
guy who was on his oe in Europe in nineteen
eighty nine when he woke up one morning and heard
that maybe something was stirring. He hustled to a train station.
He traveled and ended up with his photograph in the
New York Times tearing down the Berlin Wall. Truthfully, I

(03:19):
can't compete with that. I never tore down the Berlin War,
but by the nature of my job, I guess I've
been fortunate to witness some reasonably significant events firsthand. So
I sat there as Pope Francis addressed the General Assembly
of the United Nations. I've seen presidential inaugurations in the US,

(03:40):
so Bama speaking on the mal I was there in
the room in twenty sixteen when Donald Trump strode into
a Philadelphia arena and formally accepted the Republican nomination for
President of the United States. And something tells me that
despite our kind of geographic isolation, New Zealanders are good

(04:01):
at sniffing out big, historic moments. It's kind of in
our nature. Don't you think it could be a regal moment,
a royal wedding, or a funeral. I suppose it could
be a tragic event, something like witnessing the nine to
eleven attacks. Sport can be a good one. I saw
Leo Messi score for Argentina at the opening game of
the twenty fourteen Football World Cup. That was special. And

(04:24):
I was sitting on the finish line when Usain Bolt
won the one hundred meters at the Rio Olympic at
Rio Olympic Games. Sometimes I think it takes luck, Sometimes
it takes money. Sometimes it takes an exclusive kind of
privilege that almost none of us will ever have. Take

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a papal conclave. There might be one point four billion
Catholics on the planet, but only those cardinals who were
in the room once the doors shut will ever truly
know what it was like to be part of that conclave.
I mean, just being outside in Saint Peter's Square would
have been an incredible experience. The moment that everyone looked

(05:07):
up to the chimney and saw the white smoke crazy,
But then imagine being inside. If you were to divide
the number of Catholics worldwide. By every man in that room,
there would be more than ten million Catholics for every
individual cardinal, and yet only those cardinals will know what

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it's like to be there in person, to see the
votes tallied, to hear the new Pope choose a name.
The world's attention might have been focused on the Vatican
waiting for the smoke, but for this moment, only a
tiny few with Air one hundred and thirty three eyewitnesses
to a moment.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
In history Projectiam.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
The reason I mentioned this is because after ten o'clock
this morning, our feature interview is the only New Zealander
to have been in the conclave, one of those one
hundred and thirty three privileged cardinals, his very first conclave,
and John Ju, Cardinal John Ju is going to be
with us right after the ten o'clock news to talk
to us about that experience, to explain what it was

(06:13):
like once the door was shut, what conversations were the
cardinals having, what food were they eating, where were they sleeping?
I wanted a warn of those little details, So Cardinal
John Jue with us as our feature interview from Italy
right after the ten o'clock news. Kevin Milne will get
us underway next. Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine.
I'm Jack Tame. This is news dog zedby.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
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Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, here's one. Blair has sent me a note to
say Jack, I was there with the procession for Prince
William and Kate Middleton when they get married. I hate
to say I wasn't invited to the official ceremony itself,
but still to be there standing as the procession went
by felt like a real moment in history. Yeah, if
you've got one, send us at by all means. Ninety two.

(07:05):
Ninety two is the text number of the morning. You can
email me like bleeded jacket Newsboroks. He'd be dot co
dot nz. Right now it is sixteen minutes past nine.
Kevin Milne is with us this morning. Killed kevinker Well.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I don't know what these occasions I don't know that
have been to anything that fantastic, but those in the
Westminster Abbey just minutes after Princess Anne married that other
fella turned out to be. And the how we got
in there is quite amusing because there was a queue

(07:39):
going for miles and nearly a couple of Keywi mates
over there. We were right up at the church door
almost and there's a group of men taking out a
grand piano. Oh, so we said, do you want to hand?
And so we so we gave them a hand and
then walked back into the into the abbey with them

(08:02):
and were there quite good.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, classic thing. It's way. You should always have a
Hiver's vest in your backpack, you know, so you're going
always slip it on at a convenient moment. I just
feel like he was a good at kind of needling
their way into historical moments or witnessing them. So yeah,
it'll be, you know, I'm sure there'll be some good
examples this morning. Anyway, Kevin, a very special email was

(08:27):
sent to us which piqued your attention.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, we've said, the gray email from a listener. It
was sent to you, of course, and you forwarded it
on to me for me. The letter represents the rewards
of remaining on a show for a long long time.
Here's the listener's email, which i've abbreviated approximately eighteen years ago,

(08:51):
in his regular Saturday morning slot on ZBB, Kevin explained
he had kept a record of the particularly amusing things
his kids said or did and the joy of looking
back and remembering. He recommended well it. So I took
them up on the idea with my son, who was
three years old. This week, I handed over the Humble

(09:15):
Exercise Book to my son at his twenty first birthday party.
His reaction exceeded all expectations. So thanks for the idea,
and I too commend keeping such a record to anyone
with young children, anyone just like you.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, thanks for that listener, for his delightful message, and
for being such a loyal listener over nearly two decades.
And so I have to ask you, Jack, have you
started recording the key moments and roomies like.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Ah, yeah, you know, I need to get a riggle
on in that department. So I haven't yet, Kevin, for
either room or for MANI I need to do a
bit of job of recording things. Of course, you can
get a bit lazy because with our cell phones these days,
you can just snap a photo and think, oh, that's
that right. But I wonder if I wonder if there
may even be a digital version for those of us

(10:11):
who you know, just think that, oh, digging out a
scrap book every now and then or digging out an
exercise book every now and then, there's going to be
a bit of a pain. But I'll tell you what
I have done is over the last couple of years,
I have recorded myself talking about significant things in my life. So,
for example, during the COVID lockdowns, I think after the

(10:32):
first big nationwide lockdown, I sat down and just recorded
myself talking about it for half an hour, and I
saved that little audio recording because I thought, oh, this
will be useful for someone's social studies project in about
fifteen years time. And the same thing after Marney was born,
I just I sat down and kind of recorded myself
just explaining, you know, the kind of story and what

(10:53):
had happened and how it felt and all that kind
of thing, and saved it away. But yeah, I think
it's a lovely idea. The problem is that with the
speed of modern life, it's easy just to kind of
let that stuff fall by the wayside in the moment,
you know.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, So it's a bit old fashioned. My advice incidentally,
just for those that wouldn't have went around eighteen years ago.
Was somebody to get an exercise book, drill a hole
through the top left hand corner of it, so you're
going to attach a pen or a pencil or something.
To buy a piece of string and keep it in
the kitchen to capture all those magic moments in your

(11:28):
children's growth. I now have one further piece of advice
regarding this, use a separate exercise book for each child.
We did notes on all our four kids in one large,
hard covered notebook, which you'd think was a pretty good idea.
We now have to hack it apart. If we had
to give each of our kids their own little life story.

(11:53):
I mean, maybe it's better just holding on to it
as one piece and a bit of family history that
somebody keeps. But I think, actually, no one book for
each kid.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's a nice idea. We've done one other
little thing we've so with money's you know, the first
couple of months we have just we took some of
the photographs of her meeting various family members and that
kind of thing, and we've printed that off into a
little book. You know, because we used to do it all,
you know, when babies were born and stuff, you'd always
have a kind of a photo book or photo album,

(12:26):
and so we've done a wee version of that. I
think that's a lot easier in the digital age. But
I love the idea of an exercise Kevin. I think
it's a real Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah, there must be a digital way of doing that.
And I agree that the old exercise book is pretty
old fashioned. Yeah, but at least that's uh. There's no
mucking around with it, and it actually provides possibly a
better end product. Yeah, it does than unraveling, you know,
pouring everything out of your out of your computer.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's spoken like by someone who clearly hasn't seen my
handwriting before, Kevin. That's my goodness, I can't read it myself.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
Son.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Hey, thank you so much for that. Have a great weekend,
given and we'll catch you very soon. And thank you
very much for your text and emails. Here you go.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Privileged to have been at the inauguration of Nelson Mandela
and then again at later meetings with him in Pretoria. Man,
that that is amazing. That's truly. That is like an
historic moment, isn't it. If it's gonna be in the
history books. In three hundred years time, then you know
it kind of meets the threshold. Ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us some message this morning,
Jack at Newstalks b dot co dot m dead, It's
twenty two pus.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Nine getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on news talks edb oh.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Gary's picked us a note, so Jack, good morning. My
mom and dad kept a record of costs made during
my life from being born until my twenty first. Then
they totaled it all up and presented to me on
my twenty first. That was a shock, but so good.
Oh my gosh, Gary, I hopefully I'm hoping that they
didn't ask you to repay them. Gary, they'd be a
weave it rough on you. Twenty first. Gary's just trying

(14:01):
to enjoy himself, have a nice evening, and he comes
to the bill two ninety t her. If you want
to lock us the text message this morning, our sport
Andrew Sabil is here with us this morning morning, sav.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Morning Jack, Can I can I?

Speaker 7 (14:14):
Can I recommend that you, as a tip invest start
investing in fridge magnets.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Oh okay, yeah, Now.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
If you haven't already got any because you will be
getting a lot of pictures in the coming year.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yes, pictures that you have no idea what they're of.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Yes, but they look fantastic because your child has done
them and they need to be stuck up.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, so I got one of these. I got one
of these picture frames where you can kind of hang
it on the wall, but then you can lift it
up and you can put the latest picture in the front.
Have you seen those before? Yeah, they're quite handy, so
you sort of can fine it. But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Some stuff just can't be digitized.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
I think there needs to be you know, Yeah, there's
odd the odd picture that you need to touch or
feel or see properly on a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Anyway, I always I remember this amazing art curator who
and who was the kind of head of the Cristis
Art Callerie for a while, Justin Pattens's name, and he
used to get his kids' pictures and then he'd turn
them into t shirts so he'd like digitize the image
and then get them printed, and so he'd go around
everywhere wearing his kids are as a tea shirt, which
always thought was quite a cool idea. A great Yeah, anyway, Hey,

(15:21):
so let's talk Super Rugby first. This morning, I was
talking about the Warriors in a couple of minutes because
they are on the brink of amazing achievement given the
start of this season. But start with Super Rugby. Massive
game tonight. But let's begin with the Blues. Drewer last
night and a pretty emphatic result.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Yeah, the Blues are up twenty two nil at halftime
in Suva. I thought this was a real banana skin
game for then, given they have to win each game
now to have any chance of making the playoffs, they
went back to their game playing really from last year,
where they just rumbled the ball up constantly, took the
Fijians on up front, didn't play too much expensive play

(16:00):
in really steamy and wet conditions. Yeah, so I think
they did well because a lot of teams have lost
up there. A real night game which helped them a
little bit, but still very very humid, sticky, slipbery ball.
So I think the Blues did well. Their next challenge
is Mowana Pacifica, which is not easy at North Harbor

(16:20):
Stadium next weekend. That game it will pretty much be
a virtual knockout. I think whoever loses, that has probably
gone from the playoffs, so exciting times over the next
couple of weeks, and then the Blues host the Warritas
in Auckland, so still a chance. Just talking to some
super rugby circles. Despite the season the Blues have had,

(16:41):
most teams still do not want to face them and
would not want to face them in a knockout game,
so that's still dangerous.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I think so too So Chiefs Crusaders Tonight Crusaders
week off a bye.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Yeah, Crusader's offer bye.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
Chiefs got fear few points stuck on them by the
Hurricanes in that second half last week.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Should be a good one. I think it's a clear
evening in christ Church.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
I think the game's sold out, the firs time in
about two and a half sold out a game in
christ Church. Great for the competition, great, great for the
Crusader They're obviously playing some very good football back to
the old selves. The Chiefs still have the firepower to
I think it would be an upset in christ Church.

(17:26):
Whoever wins this I think will pretty much finish top
Last night, the Queensland Reds beat the Warritar so the
top four is pretty much decided Chiefs, Crusaders, Brumby's Reds,
But tonight's game, I think we'll go a distance to
cementing the number one spot.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Let's talk about Warriors then, so are very close right
to have their best ever start across ten games in
their history, which I know is kind of a funny statistic,
but like I say, when you think about how we
were feeling after that Vegas game.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
The world collapsed on the strip, didn't it? In that
first week they've done very well. I think, let's not
forget the last few weeks. They've been without James Fisher, Harris,
They've been without Roger t Vasischik and a few other
key players, so they've done remarkably well. I think the
defense has been a real weapon of the years and

(18:22):
championships in contact sport a one on defense, So that's
a big positive for the Warriors. The six and two
win tonight against the Dragons seven and two they've got
I think the Raiders away in Canberra next weekend, which
is a stiffer challenge than the Dragons. Win that and

(18:42):
they'll be eight and two, which is just outlandish. I
think everyone is just winning them for them to slip
up this Saint George game tonight is tricky. No one,
no games are given in the RL, but you'd think
on current form the Warriors.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Should do it.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too. Hey, I don't know
if you've logged into Instagram this morning. I know you've
spent a lot of time curating you The reason I
mentioned it as Hayden Wild has just posted a bit
of an update. So five broken ribs, a hairline for
the sixth rib and his scapula is absolutely smashed. He
said he has done a lung lung damage as well

(19:19):
in some stitches in his hap. The good news is
that he's able to return to Belgium for his recovery
and some surgery, so he is back there now. Yeah yeah,
but yeah, Like it's great to see him on his
feet in his post, but I think it's going to
be a long road to recovery after that accident in Japan.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
And what a horrible way to do it.

Speaker 7 (19:39):
He was sort of away with the feries on his
bike in Tokyo and rode into the back of a
rubbish truck.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean yeah, looking up and seeing that must
have been going It must have been going really fast.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
He would have been going at a fair clip too.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, probably just straight into it. And no, you know, yeah,
rubberstruck not very forgiving.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Famously, as you know, in Japan, there's no cars on
the road. There's just rubbish trucks.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yes, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so really good to see him
up and about. But is pretty clear from that update
this morning that has rode to recovery is not going
to be a short one. Hey, thanks so much, Sev.
We'll catch again soon now. Sporto Andrew Saville Jack love
the idea of recording funny things. You could say, I
wrote them down in the back of their plunket book.
While recording these special events electronically is likely to be

(20:25):
the modern way. I think it's even more special for
your kids to see your handwriting when they look back
in the future. And for me, seeing the handwriting of
my parents, who have both passed some time ago, brings
back wonderful memories. Yeah, that's true, Grahams's Jack. My wife
did a wonderful thing with all the paintings that were
brought home after they came down from the fridge. She
kept them and then wrapped all the birthday presents for

(20:45):
birthday parties that the kids got invited to and it
always went down a tree. That's a very good idea, Graham,
that's an excellent idea. And I like recording the funny
things you kids say too. Rumy said to us the
other day because he speaks Mardi and English, and he
was reading the book here here, which is about an animal,
the here right hi, and confusingly it's it's because the

(21:08):
kid's book, you know, there's lots of kind of alliteration
and tricks with language and stuff, and so the book
was called here here, but it was h ere it's
the first word, and then here the animal h are
is the second word. And of course he read it
as maldi, so he said herey, Harry, and I was like, no, no, no, no,
no, no no no, this one's English, not hey Harry, it's

(21:29):
here here. And even though those words sound exactly the same.
That is one of the great things about English. Totally
confusing at the best of times. Twenty seven to ten,
we got your film picks on news talks. He'd be next.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
And I'm just one.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Ah. That's Rihanna Reri. She was at the met Gala
this week looking glam She announced baby numbers I think, Yeah,
she's with Asap Rocky A yeah, look at me keeping
up with the things.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
She announced that she is pregnant with her third child
when she was at the met Galla this week. Lord
was at the met Galla as well, and she has
announced a world tour for some new music, although I
said that the world tour is not quite a world
too because it doesn't include New Zealand yet, so hopefully
she's happy to include that at some point. Right now,
it's twenty four minutes to ten. Francesca Rudkin, our film reviewer,

(22:34):
is here this morning. Kilda.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
Hello, we have.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Two movies to talk about this morning. Let's begin with
one that is streaming at home at the moment. This
one's on Prime Video. We'll have a listened to another
simple favor.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Emily, how are you here? I'm getting married to old friends,
new beginnings and.

Speaker 10 (23:00):
Not getting poisoned.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Dan So the stars Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick. Blake
Lively so one of these exercides of slightly controversial at
the moment. Ey, Yes she is.

Speaker 10 (23:18):
And Anna Kendrick was asked what it was like to
be working with her again. And Andrew Kendrick, who was
both very dry and sort of slightly sarcastic, both on
screen and oscreen kind of went ah, yeah, you know,
I didn't really say anything, which was quite funny. Look,
this is a sequel to A Simple Favor, which was
a twenty eighteen comedy that kind of took everybody a

(23:40):
little bit by surprise. It was a lot of fun,
but it was also kind of bonkers. It was sort
of a little bit psychotic and a little bit erotic,
and I don't think anyone was quite expecting this from
these two, but it worked. And Kendrick played Stephanie Smothers,
and she was a widow and a mummy blogger and
she kind of gets caught up in this very glamorous

(24:00):
life of one of her son's friends' mothers and Emily
played by Blake, and she sort gets caught up and
it all just dead turns a little bit nuts, and
there's lots of sordid secrets that come out, murder hookups,
all sorts of things, and they've obviously decided to return
back to this little story here. And at this point,

(24:24):
Stephanie is writing books. She's sort of a bit of
an experted true crime and solving true crime, and she's
trying to get on with her life. And then Emily,
who is wonderfully overdressed as always, saunters back into her life,
and she's whisked away to Italy to be the matron
of honor at Emily's wedding to a mob boss. And
then off we kind of go. There's all these sort

(24:44):
of twists and turns. You know, often, Jack, when I
talk to you about sequels, I say, do you look
you know you don't need to have seen the original.
I think you need to have seen the original, because
even if you haven't seen the original, this is still
quite a hard film to keep up with an unset
what's going. So we're both on both screening on Prime.

(25:06):
So I watch the first one before you watch the
second one. It might just make a little bit more sense.
The vibe is still here. There's this strange connection between
Emily and Stephanie. It's a bit bonkers, but it's it's
just all a little bit less, and that's probably because
we know what to expect. I really love Kendrick. I

(25:29):
love her sort of snacky, honest narrations through this film,
everyone else seems to be oblivious to the madness going on,
and it's almost like she's kind of winking at us
at the audience, going, I know, isn't this nuts?

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Isn't this crazy?

Speaker 10 (25:43):
So I really love her character.

Speaker 11 (25:44):
But look, the film is probably regardless of sort of
plot and twists and all my things, this film is
more about the gorgeous Italian setting, the outrageously good wardrobe,
and frivolity.

Speaker 10 (25:56):
You know, this is a sit down on a you know,
at the end of a busy weekend and just enjoy
some escapism. Also starts this time around Alison Jane and
Elizabeth Perkins as well.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah, very good. So that's another simple favor that's
on Prime video and next film is showing in cinemas
at the moment. Let's have a listen to the wedding banquet.
I have a pro prosil you marry me an LP
for Liz to grow a bag, right me, my honor.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
We're having a man it's for the cars.

Speaker 12 (26:28):
We're helping to get a couple set together.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Okay, that's the wedding banquet starring Lily Gladstone. Tell us
about it.

Speaker 10 (26:37):
Yes, so this is a film about family expectations, cultural identity, queerness.
It's really it's solid, it's very well put together. It's
got a lovely cast, and I like the fact that
kind of looks at how messy life can be. But
some people might be going, oh, the wedding banquet. I've
seen this film before, and yes you have. This is
a remake of Ang Lee's nineteen ninety three film by

(26:57):
director Andrew On, and he has worked with the original
co writer James Seamers to update the story to kind
of bring it into twenty five. You could say it's
not as funny as the original, and maybe not as
emotionally hard hitting as the original, but there are some
really lovely, sort of subtle laughs to be had here,

(27:20):
and the film goes out of its way. I suppose
it's very easy with the situations that you've got going
on in this film, that you could turn them into,
you know, you could get easy laughs out of it,
and in a way, it's almost like the film has
gone out of its way not to do that. I
personally would have loved it a little bit more humor,
because I think the cast is really good and could
have gone there, but they've kept it quite serious.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (27:44):
The Gladstone, Joan Chen Bao and Yang. They all appear
in this film, and it kind of captures how society
has changed since this first film was released, how we've
become more accepting excuse me, about sexuality and family structures. Right,
And maybe while the first film spoke to the shame
of being gay a little, but this one moves the

(28:05):
story on and at the generations kind of letting that
shame go. So you've got this loving lesbian couple, You've
got this gay couple. The lesbian couple want to have
a baby. The gay couple want to get married, and
Men needs a green card, and it's all there's all
these sort of little complications, and so they Men decide
to marry Angela. So they decide to have a sham

(28:27):
wedding basically, and this is this is so that everyone
can get what they want. You know, Angela can get
money for an av yes, Men can get a green card.
But then Men's grandmother comes from Korea, and she comes
they comes from a very well known Korean family, and
she expects the wedding banquet and she expects, you know,
everything to kind of, you know, be perfect Edits not

(28:49):
quite so much. So yeah, no, it's lovely and it's solid.
I think I'm going back to that original film, which was,
you know, such a breakout film for ang Lee and
so funny and had that sort of emotional element to
it as well.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, so you know, no, but pretty good, nice, yeah, right,
So that's the wedding banquet that showing in cinema is
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minutes on news Talks he'd be no fuss, sticky buns

(29:50):
just in time for Mother's Day. These are really really
easy and incredibly delicious if you're looking for a simple
way to treat mum. Tomorrow sixteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
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Speaker 2 (30:08):
That'd be fourteen to ten food time her new stalks
Vy Nicky works out cookers here with us this morning, Gelda, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:16):
What I know.

Speaker 13 (30:17):
It is indeed food time. I need to I'm also
standing in a in a fairy terminal about kitchen fairy
with the result of today's recipe in my handbag.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Oh, I come transporting one day ahead.

Speaker 14 (30:31):
Of Mother's Days.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
So very good. Okay, it sounds a bit weird. No,
it doesn't sound weird at all. We love you a
bit of in situ. That's fine. If you're not in
the kitchen, you're in a faery terminal, and that's it's
totally fine with us. We're making These are no fast,
sticky buns, so really simple sticky buns. If you want
to treat them tomorrow morning.

Speaker 13 (30:49):
Yeah, I mean, look, they are, They're absolutely fantastic. This
will be my first Mother's Day without my beloved mother.
So I decided that I would make one of her
recipes for our family. And yes, it's her no fuss
sticky buns. It does still require yeast, which means they
do still require a little bit of right, but honestly
they're super simple. I whipped up a batch last night

(31:10):
in between watching Ransom Canyon, my latest favorite easy watch.
I know, yeah, don't judgement, all right, So here's here's
what I do. I take a round cake tin twenty
three centimeters or so, line it well with baking paper,
making sure that it comes up the size, and then
I kind of make the syrup to go on the
bottom of the tin, which ends up on the top

(31:30):
of the buttons. I melt together half a cup of
brown sugar, three tablespoons of butter, and four tablespoons of
maple syrup and sort of si of that till it
all all the sugar dissolves their jack, and then pour
most of that into the base of the tin.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Right, and then let's start on.

Speaker 13 (31:46):
The buttons and a small jug.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
We want to.

Speaker 13 (31:48):
Activate the yeast, so I use two teaspoons of active
yeast granules and one cup of warm milk. And I
sometimes think people think warm is really tempered. It's sort
of just a little bit warmer than tempered, I say,
And one teaspoon of sugar and mix all of that
together and it should froth after about five to seven minutes.
If it doesn't have any discernible frothing going on, then

(32:12):
really you want to kind of abandon it. And maybe
you're yeast as old, or maybe your milk was too
hot and it killed the yeast or whatever, because this
is the beginning of this rising process. But anyway, should
work out a treat and then in a large bowl,
large enough that you can sort of need or mix
the mixture in the bowl, put your flour in salt,
and I've used three cups of plain flour and I've

(32:33):
used half a tea spoon of sea salt. A the
whisk the yeast with one egg. Once that's become frothy,
and plan into the dry ingredients. And then Jack's super simple.
I just mixed it, mix it all together with a
knife with a butter knife, and I just keep mixing
and mixing and mixing till you've got a lovely, sticky dough.
And then once that's all sort of started to come together,

(32:54):
you want to add in some butter. And you want
to add in about one hundred grams of really soft butter.
And that's the hardest part of this recipes. Get butter
just kind of softened up in this cooler where add
it in a tablespoon at a time, just mixing it
around with that knife of yours until it all sort
of comes together. Then I just leave that mixture. I

(33:16):
cover it with a sort of damp tee towel, leave
it in a really lovely warm place for about sixty minutes,
and it should almost double in size. Okay, and now
you're ready to make your buttons. Super simple. Roll out
that dough into a big rectangle about twenty by thirty centimeters.
Brush it with some melted butter, maybe two tablespoons of
melted butter. Sprinkle over that third of a cup of

(33:37):
brown sugar, three teaspoons each of mixed spice and cinnamon.
You've mixed those together. Sprinkle that over, and then really
add anything you like.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
I added some.

Speaker 13 (33:47):
I add some walnut pieces and some raisins, but currants
would work that sort of thing. Roll it up like
you would have pin wheel scorn, and then chop it
up into about ten ten little buns and put those
on top of that beautiful syrup in your cake tin,
cut side up, done, and you just leave that to
sort of rise again for just this time about forty

(34:10):
five minutes. Whack the oven one hundred and ninety degrees
fan bake and bake it for thirty five or forty
minutes until they're all sort of golden and lovely. Tack
them out of the oven, and then turn them out
on a plate so that that so you sort of
upside down them, if you know what I mean, so
that that syrup is beautiful and glistening on top, and
you've got these gorgeous, freshly made, brioshy type buns. They're sticky,

(34:32):
they're gorgeous. I always have them with loads and loads
of butter on them because I can't resist. And I've
made mine the day head because that's that's a bit
to do tomorrow morning, before this day. So make them
today and then tomorrow. Just give them a little.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Reheat back in that tin, yeah right.

Speaker 13 (34:50):
Spray spray the top or and maybe even flick the
top with a little bit of water, and that will
just freshen the buns up a little bit, and they
probably just need about sort of eight minutes back in
the oven and then syrups will syrupy again. The bread
component is all beautiful and freshly baked, and they're really
lovely thing to have for Mother's Day. I think everyone
elsy them with a good cover.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Could you make the dough tonight and just leave it
until tomorrow morning? So that might be an option too,
write Yeah.

Speaker 13 (35:16):
You absolutely could.

Speaker 9 (35:17):
You could make it.

Speaker 13 (35:17):
You could make the dough when you haven't filled it,
and you just need to get up a little bit
early to sort of bring that back to room temperature
before you roll it out. You're absolutely right. My last
tip for the morning too, is I never cut these
buns using a knife because it sort of collapses the
spiral effect. I take a little bit of dental floss
and a length that you sneak under the roll, and

(35:40):
then you sort of cross it over and pull it hard.

Speaker 9 (35:42):
Yeah, get the most amazing cut.

Speaker 6 (35:44):
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh what a clever idea. Oh that's so good.

Speaker 13 (35:48):
Yeah Mum taught me that one.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, very very clever. Hey, thank you so much, Nicky.
We will let you get on the ferry and catch
you again soon. But love that recipe so We'll make
sure Nicki's no fuss sticky bun recipe. Just some time
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we are going to take you to Italy, to the Vatican. Actually,

(38:03):
Cardinal John Due was one of the one hundred and
thirty three cardinals from around the world who was there
in the conclave the moment the votes were tallied and
a new pope was selected. It was the first time
that John has been at a conclave, and what an
incredible thing to experience. So we're going to catch up
with him right after the ten o'clock news. Hear a

(38:25):
little bit about the process. I want to hear some
of those little details though, you know here the logistics
around the conclave, how how they all manage, how are
they all feed What sort of conversations are the cardinals
having in between the votes. He's going to be with
us very shortly. Plus, if you're looking for something good
to watch this weekend, you're looking forward to maybe just
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Viva edip Papa. The chance could be heard before his
name was even announced over Saint Peter's Square. Robert Francis
Prevos has become the two hundred and sixty seventh Pope,
and we'll be do as Leo the fourteenth. Of course,
New Zealand's Cardinal John Due is at the Vatican and
took part in the conclave that selected Pope Leo, and

(39:51):
from Italy. He joins us this morning. Calder John, Welcome to.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
The show, Cure Jack, thank you very much, thank.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
You for being with us. First of all, I suppose
the obvious question tell us about the new Pope.

Speaker 15 (40:05):
JACKI he is a very lovely person. He's well educated.
He's had great experience. I was born in the United States,
but spent quite a long time working as a missionary
in Peru, and in recent years has worked here in
the Vatican and what we call the Congregation for Bishops

(40:28):
are responsible for bishop's appointments and all sorts of things
to do with bishops all around the world. He's very
calm and measured. He was very calm when his name
kept coming up yesterday. Everyone was sort of looking at him,
and he was just sitting there with a little smile
on his face, and when he was asked for accept

(40:51):
the election, he just stood up and said in Latin
that he did accept. And from there on, really he's just,
as I say, just been very natural. He greeted the
thousands of people in the square. We had time to
greet him ourselves at one stage yesterday afternoon. So a
lovely man, and I think we'll do a very good job.

(41:13):
Is as totally over fourteenth.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
This has prepped a funny question, but is it obvious
that people want to be pope?

Speaker 15 (41:25):
No, it's not. And if it was obvious, I don't
think he'd get the votes. There was no one who
was obviously the area out of one hundred and thirty
three in the conclave that you would think actually wanted
to decope. I'm quite certain of that. Do you know

(41:46):
no one would really look for a role like that
for themselves. No one, And I don't think that no.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
So sorry to interrupt you. No one sort of openly
campaigning or anything like that.

Speaker 15 (41:59):
No, no, absolutely not. And it's actually it's not that.
It's not allowed as part of to sort of lobby
for yourselves at all. It's not permitted.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
So tell us about your experience of conclave. I know
you probably get asked us every day, you know, I
think many of our listeners will have seen the film,
But tell us about your experience. What was it like
to be there for that, you know, for that incredible moment.

Speaker 15 (42:27):
It was an incredible moment, well more than a moment, actually,
the whole sort of process from the time of Francis's death.
I got here just a few days after his death
and was here in time sort of funeral, and by
that stage the meetings of cardinals had begun, and we
had about ten days of meetings, not necessarily every day,

(42:53):
but most of the days between the General and the
started the conclave. And in those meetings, this is all
part of the process. In those meetings we were able
to anyone had the opportunity to speak, and we're encouraged
to speak about the kind of person they thought should
be elected as the next pope, the kind of issues

(43:16):
that the church is facing today, the issues that the
pope might need to speak on, speak up about it
in terms of world issues. You know, he needs to
be someone who's politically astute and as a world leader,
as Francis showed us he was so all that was
part of the lead up, and that of course was

(43:38):
all set in the context obviously of prayer every day,
and also included nine days of masses of prayers of
mourning for Pope Francis. And then when we moved into
the actual conclave, we we all gathered in what's called

(44:02):
the Pauline Chapel, very close to the System Chapel, and
processed and quite solemnly to the singing of the Litany
of the Saints and calling on the saints of the
plast to be with us and to guard us, including
of course past popes, and then saying a very beautiful

(44:23):
Latin him calling on the Spirit of God to lead us,
and then the process began. So it was an amazing
I found it a very amazing thing to be sitting
in the System Chapel looking around at, you know, the
beautiful artwork and architecture and thinking what this is what
we hear about? It was all very calmly done and

(44:46):
very well organized in the way that we wrote a
vote on a name I have a little card, and
then processed up quite an order of precedence from the
times that we had been appointed as cardinals, and of
course that took quite some time each each time there

(45:07):
was a vote, because there were one hundred and thirty
three of us, we saw an oath that we would
be truthful, that we would do a vote to the
the best of our ability, that we thought this is
what God was asking of us to do. So it
was all set in that context and I very amazing.

(45:30):
I think we all found it a very privileged moment.
And of course it became clear that the Cardinal Prevos
was going to be was getting the numbers. It became
quite an emotional time. And well, I found it an
emotional time when he when he accepted and then was

(45:56):
led out to a room to be dressed in the
in the papal robes. You know, I suddenly had a
tear in my eye about how emotional the whole thing was,
and that he came back into the Sistine Chapel, we
had a little time of prayer together with him, and

(46:16):
then we all had the opportunities to go up and
greet him, and as it were, sort of reade our
allegiance and so a few words to him. I said
to him that I'd had the habit of playing every
day for perfluences, and I would continue doing that for him.
But then he thanked me, and I think he knows
that he needs the prayers of the world. So at

(46:37):
a very emotional time. After that, we were we followed
him out of the Sistine Chapel and through one of
the big, magnificent halls at the Vatican, and he was
led out onto the central balcony the logier of Saint
Peter's and some of us were privileged enough to get

(46:58):
out onto the balconies either side of Saint Peters. And
that was the most amazing experience to hear the roar
of the crowd as he as he appeared, and the
chanting as they started chanting viper, you know, along with the Pope,
the the two bands at the bottom of it out

(47:18):
in the St. Peters Square with guards were the air,
and you know, just a huge crowd of people chanting
and singing, and then he gave a blessing and said
a few words. I couldn't quite pick it all up
because of the echoes, and he was speaking, and he
spoke in Italian, in Latin, and in Spanish, fluent in

(47:42):
English too, obviously, but he didn't use English at that stage.
So he has a very emotional time and in a
very privileged time.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
It sounds profound, John, That sounds sounds like just an
extraordinary thing to experience. So when that, when it became
clear you say that that he had the votes and
that he had been elected pope? Did the cardinals cheer?
Do you clap? How does? How does? How does it work?

Speaker 15 (48:09):
In that moment, as it became clear that he had
the votes, there was immediate applause that he had reached
that number. The voting hadn't quite finished, but he was acknowledged.
He stood up and just acknowledged, and then the voting,
the counting of the votes, and the names of a

(48:29):
few others were ready out, and then it was clear
that he had the numbers, that he was elected pope.
So the Cardinal President, as it were, of the of
the conclave process, then asked him if he accepted the
electionist hope, and he just said in Latin except that

(48:51):
he does accept. And then he was asked what name
he wanted to be called, and he just said Leo.
So it's a while since they've been a pope Leo.
Last one was prot Leo the Great, and then yeah,
that was he was. He was Pope.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
He's got to have a name ready to go, as
it were, Yes, and.

Speaker 15 (49:16):
He must have been thinking of that over the large
you know, the tree, as his name was becoming more
and more, obviously was thinking of that what he would
be called, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
And and so John, do you and I know you
don't make your vote public, and of course we respect that,
but but do you and the other cardinals talk amongst
each other about who you're planning to vote for as
the process unfold? Is that something that happens, you know,
kind of you know, publicly within the conclave.

Speaker 15 (49:46):
In those in those ten days of meetings, that happens
more where you might chat and say, what do you
think of so and so? Or do you think he's
got the qualities to see what's what what it takes
today to be pope? And of course some of the
cardinals you know that better, so you've check a bit

(50:06):
more with some of them. So you do talk about
who and obviously it's it's all part of the secrecy
of the conclave. You do talk about who you think
might be the right person. And I could just see
that he was so calm, and calm already was a

(50:29):
word every time you looked at him. He's just taking
everything just so gradually, and from what I knew of him,
I thought he was going to be very good.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
You know, we and those of us who work in
politics have noted that of late, there are a few
elections that have been influenced by Donald Trump. You know,
look at Canada and Australia within the last couple of weeks.
Do you think there's any argument that this is a
Trump election in a way or a Trump influenced election.

Speaker 15 (51:00):
Not at all, absolutely not, no, No, it's the cardinals themselves. No,
not at all.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, but obviously there are so many things they need
to consider, so so so John, when you're when you're
there again, this might seem silly, but for those of
us on the outside, just such a fascinating process. Can
I ask just a couple of really simple things, and
especially in those meetings beforehand and throughout the whole process.

(51:26):
Where do you stay?

Speaker 8 (51:27):
So?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Where are you sleeping? What do you eat? And what
do you speak? What language do you speak?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Well?

Speaker 15 (51:36):
Okay, where do we start? I stay at a at
a Vatican's kind of a Vatican guest house. Usually stay there,
which is just outside the Vatican that belongs to the Vatican,
right at the end of the big street that leads
right up to Saint Peter's. I stay there, and during

(51:56):
those days of meetings, I had to walk up big
long Street every day and battle with journalists as we
tried to get into the into the hall we were
going to the meetings, and that was a couple of times,
a couple of times a day. We met through the
morning and then had a break, went back to our
places for lunch, and then started again. Sort of mid

(52:20):
us nuns till seventy them, so stay at places like that,
Some stay at if they belonged to a religious order.
Leo is an Augustinian, so they had a place here.
So some august Yes, which would stay at the Jesuit
place in different places. And then we had decided as

(52:41):
part of the meeting, we decided on the date of
the start of the conclave, which was the seventh of May.
So on the sixth of May we were all asked
to come to this place called Sump de Marta, which
is right in the Vatican and where Francis actually lived.
And Saint de Marta is a guest house where many

(53:04):
people who work in the Vatican live here permanently. They
are all asked to move out while we come in
sort of conclave. Ah, And so Sant Demata is completely
dedicated to a conclave over these few days, right, And
I'm still here at the moment. I will move out
later today. And it's within the Vatican. We were able

(53:27):
to walk over to the system chapel if we wanted to.
There were minibuses for those who didn't want to walk over.
What do we eat same as anybody? Were any beautiful
Italian foods?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah? I mean, you know, like I said at the start,
it must be, you know, be a profound experience to
be there for for what is a kind of you know,
indisputably a significant historical moment like that, and to be
the only representative from New Zealand in that conclave. So finally, John,
what shall we expect from this pope? Do you think,

(54:02):
knowing him as you do and having had a couple
of moments and knowing the kinds of conversationations that have
happened behind closed doors, what do you think the rest
of the world can expect from Pope Leo?

Speaker 15 (54:14):
I do believe that he will. While we were very
clear that we weren't voting or looking for a copy
of frances I do believe that he will continue some
of Francis's initiatives which were important for the Church and

(54:35):
for the world, and he will immediately go into conversations
with some of the Vatican cardinals, in particular to look
at the kind of things that they believe needs to
be addressed. He will come up with his own issues

(54:56):
as Francis did, and put some issues on the world stage,
for example human trafficking and climate change and the point
of refugees. You know, he might come up with something
else which is of international significance and which is to
do with people's lives. Yeah, it might surprise us with

(55:17):
as Francist Di dif from time.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
To time, Yeah, when do you get to come home?

Speaker 15 (55:22):
And I was saying, it's a little it was a
little bit difficult because we didn't know how long the
concave would take and when you made a book to
ticket for. So I heard this morning that the official
inauguration of Leo is on the eighteenth of May, So
I will stay for that. It's a little distance away
that I've got no great urgency to need to get home,

(55:43):
So I'll stay for that, and then make arrangements to
come home after the organation or inauguration on the eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, well, well, look, thank you again for spending time
with us. We really appreciate it. Good lucky week and
a half or so, and you will look forward to
seeing you in your bank.

Speaker 15 (55:59):
Thanks very much, Jack, all the best.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Just so good to be speaking with Cardinal John Due
after a pretty amazing couple of weeks, and it sounds
like a pretty impressive couple of weeks still to come
live with us from Italy. This morning, right now, it
is twenty four minutes past ten. You're Jack Tame. This
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if you if you missed it, he came out and
said that he does not want to die rich. So
it's his plan over the next twenty years between twenty
forty five, between now and twenty twenty forty five to

(56:50):
give away all of his money. So the Bill and
Melinda Gates Foundation is going to give away all of
its money. At the moment they kind of, you know,
they they're kind of spending into perpetuity. But night they're
going to give it all away. The same with his
personal wealth, going to give it all away. And it's
actually really complish to try and do that. So our
textbook's going to be with us very shortly with the

(57:10):
plan as it stands for Bill and his billions as
well as that. We're in the garden and Rude climb
Pass is talking cluster flies this morning, which I know.
Those are the ones that kind of go to like
if you've got like a spare bedroom or something like that,
and you kind of don't go in there every now
and then, and you go in and they kind of
got like a slightly golden color. That's how you distinguish

(57:31):
between those and different sorts of flies. Anyway, he's gonna
hopefully give us some tips on getting rid of those
at our place very shortly. Right now. The it's twenty
eight past ten, which means it's screen time time. Tara
Award is here with her three picks for this week.
Cail does Tara good morning. Okay, let's begin with the
show on TVNZ plus tell Us about poker Face.

Speaker 12 (57:50):
Yeah, poker Face is back for a second season, and
this is a really fun, quirky crime thriller series. It
stars Natasha Leon. She plays an amateur sleuth called Charlie Kale.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And Charlie is.

Speaker 12 (58:01):
Not your typical TV detective. She works in a casino
in Las Vegas, and she has this unusual ability and
that she can always tell when someone is lying. And
in season one, her best friend is murdered and Charlie
uses her special lie detection skills to work out who
the murderer was. But when her own life becomes in danger,
she has to go on the run. And so every

(58:23):
episode of poker Face is its own self contained murder
mystery with different characters. It's one of those case of
the Week shows, and Charlie is continually on the run
across America trying to escape these crime bosses, and she
keeps stumbling over these very strange crimes that only she
can help to solve. And so it's having fun with
that traditional crime thriller setup. It's got this great retro

(58:47):
seventies eighties feel to it. It's funny, it's stylish, and
because each episode has different characters, it means the show
can tap into this amazing list of guest stars everyone
in season two, from Melanielynsky to Cynthia Arriva to Steve Bruscemi.
And I really like it because it's a crime drama
that doesn't take itself too seriously and it's just something

(59:08):
light and easy to put on and just be entertained by.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Right, Okay, that's poker Face Steven z Plus on Disney
Plus Suspect.

Speaker 12 (59:16):
Yeah, this is a new four part British drama that's
just come to Disney Plus. It stars Russell Toby and
Emily Mortimer and it's retaelling the events around the death
of Jean Charles Minionzez in London back in July two
thousand and five. And John Charles was from Brazil. He
was working as an electrician in London when he was
mistaken by police as a terrorist and he was completely innocent,

(59:38):
but he was shot by police as he boarded the
tube on his way to work. And this drama looks
at the events before and after the shooting, and it's
almost a drama of two different parts. The first half
covers the July terrorist attacks in London, the bombings on
the Tube and the events that led up to the shooting,
and it really builds up that atmosphere of fear and
panic and chaos. And the last two episodes are about

(01:00:01):
the aftermath of the shooting and the police response, the
sort of the inquiries into the mistakes they made and
the misinformation, and it really holds the police accountable for
what they did. And so that half the show felt
quite different and a lot more focused. And I think
this is covering a lot of ground to give the
whole picture. So it's not perfect. It's not always an
easy watch, but it is very compelling. I watched all

(01:00:22):
four episodes in one something yesterday. It's well acted and
it's one of those dramas that will shock you and
make you mad and sad all at once.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Oh nice, Cool, that's Suspect. That's on Disney Plus on
Apple TV, plus another season of a show I love
long Way Home.

Speaker 12 (01:00:38):
Yeah, a new travel show with some old friends. This
is the latest travel documentary series from Scottish actor Ewan
McGregor and his best friend Charlie Boorman, who over the
past twenty years they've made several TV shows about riding
motorbikes around the world together. It started with long Way
Round in two thousand and four, which was then riding
from London to New York. There was long Way Down,

(01:00:59):
which was going through Africa, and then most recently long
Way Up through South America. And this week we got
long Way Home Home, which is you and Charlie jumping
on a couple of vintage motorbikes and riding through Europe.
They start in Scotland. They are going right up through
Scandinavia up to the Optic Circle and then back down
through Europe. It's about ten thousand miles all up, and

(01:01:20):
this is just a very mellow, soothing trip with two
best mates who are living their best lives on these
old bikes. So they're a lot older and wiser than
the first time they did this, which gives them a
different perspective on things. And it's almost like a slow
TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
There's two episodes.

Speaker 12 (01:01:37):
It's not in any hurry. And because it's an Apple show,
you know you've got these beautiful aerial shots of them
riding through Europe. It's just a gorgeous show to watch
and one just to kind of relax into.

Speaker 8 (01:01:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Nice, really looking forward to that. Thanks Tara. That's Long
Way Home. It's on Apple TV plus, Suspects on Disney
Plus and on TV and Z plus, poker Face. Everything's
a plus, isn't it. My goodness, all those shows are
beyond the news talks 'db website as well. If you
want to watch along at home. Thank you for your feedback,
Jack a greater if you really enjoyed that. Jack, I'm Catholic,

(01:02:08):
never sick of listening to how the conclaves work. It's
a very very old tradition. How about the smoke, very
exciting and of course the next pope, thank you for
that ninety ninety two. I was going to be very cheeky.
I one last question, just I do find the logistics
of it all fascinating. I wonder because the cardinals will
wear those robes. I wonder as the you know, the
conclave can go for ages. Is there a special process

(01:02:29):
for like dry cleaning and that kind of thing. Well,
I'm being one hundred percent serious. I would love to know.
You can send us a message If you like, you
can also email me Jack at Newstalks EDB dot co
dot Nz twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
This is colle A.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
So this is Chaos and the CBD. Not literally, it's
the name of the group. They're actually brothers Louis and
Ben Helica hale Ley started making music but age has
got like two thousand and eight. But they have flown
incredibly under the radar, which is funny because or in
New Zealand at the very least, which is funny because
they're honestly one of our biggest international exports at the moment.

(01:03:37):
So these days Louis and Ben Chaos and CBD are
based in London. They've been there for about a decade
or so, and they work on the kind of club
scene throughout Europe, you know, as chances are you probably
hear them playing in Ibiza or some of the UK's
big house and underground clubs. What's crazy about them, though,
is that despite having made music together for quite a

(01:03:58):
long time now and being so in demand, Chaos and
the CBD have never curated their beats into an album
format before until now, Until now. That's what they've just done,
and it has a whole heap of Keyweek inspiration going
into it, so it's not quite as like Pumped Up
and Clubby as what they've released previously. But we're going

(01:04:19):
to have a bit of a listen this morning. Our
music review Atestelle is going to be in before midday.
She'll pick out a couple of songs to play for
you from Chaos and the CBD, so you can have
a bit of a listen now. Texpert is in next
it's twenty three to eleven on News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
He'd be putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the
mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 16 (01:04:36):
The third year in a row, the New Zealand Rugby
Union's lost money, what's the plan? Mark Robinson is the
inz our boss. When does you stop losing money?

Speaker 15 (01:04:43):
Well another question could be, you know when we said.

Speaker 16 (01:04:46):
Out how about we do all my question, when do
you stop losing money? Where I was working to order
a break even or better position replacement for any awsome
terms of dolls.

Speaker 15 (01:04:55):
Look, the properties of different aren't mat Actually.

Speaker 16 (01:04:57):
Have anybody that you can announce this year?

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Well that's what we're working on, and we're working on
so you don't.

Speaker 16 (01:05:02):
I'm just trying to work out how is to get
an international name to get on the front of an
All Jersey and whether or not it's slim pickings.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Out there and is really strong.

Speaker 16 (01:05:10):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain drove of the Larne News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Twenty two eleven. Bill Gates says he'll go broke to
make the earth better. I'm not sure that Bill Gates
definition of broke is the same as my definition of broke,
but our Textbert Paul Stenhouse is here with the details.

Speaker 14 (01:05:28):
Gold to Paul, Yeah, when you're the fifth richest person
in the world, one percent of your fortune that you'll
be left with is still quite a large sum of
money pack but he plans to give away ninety nine
percent of it over the next twenty years. So he's
got a foundation. You've probably heard of it, the Gates Foundation.
He's already pumped one hundred billion dollars into that foundation,

(01:05:49):
which has been doing some really incredible things around health
and development of poorer nations around the world. But he
wants to basically pour everything into it. And wants them
to go all out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
He does not.

Speaker 14 (01:06:05):
Want the foundation to be around for a long time.
In fact, he has given it a date that it
will close. He said, December thirty one, twenty forty five.
It needs to be gone. This is not going to
be a legacy thing. I want my legacy to be
spending the money, not continuing it on. So they expect
to be spending with his fortune kind of appreciating over
the next twenty years and whatnot, another two hundred billion

(01:06:28):
dollars on three things, which I think these three goals
are pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:06:34):
The first one, they want no mum or child or
baby to die of a preventable disease. They want the
next generation to grow up in a world without deadly
infectious diseases. And thirdly, they want to bring hundreds of
millions of additional people out of poverty and put countries
on a path to prosperity. I think that's something we
can get behind.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yeah, I mean yeah, in principle, there's always this kind
of ethical debate, right, like, is it is it a
bit of no? Well, I mean is it? You know,
should and I mean Bill Gates has leaned into this before,
you know, should billionaires be allowed to exist? Should should
it be on Bill Gates and his philanthropy and a
foundation that carries his name to be doing this stuff?
Or should global governments be doing this? I mean, it's

(01:07:15):
I don't know if I necessarily have an answer to that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:17):
Okay, Can I give you one? Can I give you
one argument against that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Okay? Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:07:21):
They have spent in a way that no other agency
or organization has been able to. They have been able
to spend and focus resources to eradicate polio from Africa.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
No, it's amazing.

Speaker 14 (01:07:32):
What an incredible success story.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
None. Well yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, Well, I think
you probably don't hear about the UN successes in quite
the same way as you hear about their failures. But
I take your point, And I mean it's a classic
like who's more efficient the private citizen or a government? Right,
That's the kind of thing. And I suppose the fact
that the foundation is not going to be existing into perpetuity,

(01:07:58):
you know, it does make a difference in that equation.
So when he says he's going to like give it
all away, what does it mean for his personal wealth?
So the foundation is going to close, but Bill's still
going to have a pretty nice place, right, He's not
going to be kicking it in a cold, leaky, two
bedroom rental.

Speaker 9 (01:08:13):
Oh, you know, he'll be fine.

Speaker 14 (01:08:14):
He's going to have, like, you know what, something close
to a billion bucks probably still is one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Percent okay, Yeah, he's not going to be dying broke. Yeah,
he's not going.

Speaker 14 (01:08:24):
To be dying broke. Maybe you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
All relative, isn't it. Yeah, but I do.

Speaker 14 (01:08:27):
I do like that he's just pledging to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Give it away, Yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:08:31):
He quoted in his blog where he talked about it
Andrew Carnegie's line. He says, who said the man who
dies this rich dies disgraced, so he doesn't want to
be disgraced.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah that is that is pretty cool. Yeah, no, I
like it too. At the very least, Bill Gates always
makes me think with the stuff, Ah, it's You're going
to be very interesting to see how this unfolds and
how they go about spending that money, because honestly, it's
pretty challenging to actually try and find causes where you're
not just burning money, where you're still you know, using
it in a productive and purposeful way. I think will

(01:09:01):
be a real challenge. Thanks Paul, appreciate your time, of course,
textbit paul' stenhouse this morning. I'll get to moorrow your
feedback in a few minutes. Ninety two ninety two if
you want to send us a message this morning. Right now,
it's sixteen to eleven Our Master Somalier with his pick
for the week.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Next a little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and beepret
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Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Be the only money governments have is money they take
off hard working people. I'd much rather Bill Gates pay
for it than the government steals my hard earned money,
says Ralph. Well, I don't think. Yeah, I'm not suggesting
the government steals your money, Ralph, I expose the question
is whether or not having a system that allows an
individual to accumulate two hundred billion dollars two hundred thousand

(01:09:45):
million dollars and the kind of interests of our species.
I'm not sure if I necessarily have an answer you
sa nover that, but thank you for that. Fourteen to
eleven Our Master Somalia. Cameron Douglas is here this morning.
Good morning, Good morning, you were the Decantor World Wine
Awards of all places, So what are the Decanta World
Wine Awards.

Speaker 17 (01:10:04):
The Decanton World Wine Awards is the largest wine competition
in the world. It's been going for thirty years. And
my job is the regional chair for the New Zealand
Wine Selections, so I chair a panel and we get
to take about three hundred and eighty wines from New

(01:10:24):
Zealand over five days and find the best. So it's
a wonderful competition and a huge privilege to be able
to represent New Zealand at this awards.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Not a bad gig for you, Cameron, Let's see, Honust.
I mean there'll be a few more than a few
people burning with envy this morning, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:10:44):
And I also get to be in London, which is great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah yeah, ah, very good. Will you pick for us
this weekend? Is Anudorf Titty Teddy Pinot gree for about
twenty seven dollars, So tell us about this wine.

Speaker 17 (01:10:55):
Well. Nudoff is a brand that has certainly gone with
respect over the last forty years in New Zealand, and
that comes from a place in Mounts in the Motory
Hills where there is a huge amount of sunshine. They've
got great drainage in the soil. And because pinogrea is
a semi aromatic grape variety, it gives us this sort

(01:11:17):
of wonderful draw when you first smell the wine and
intrigue and it makes you go, hmm, I wonder what
the swine's all about. And so you smell it a
bit more and you taste it and you go, now
I'm getting it. It's got all of this sort of
Asian pear red apple even brown and bosque pear flavors.

(01:11:38):
And for some people they get a little bit of
quint paste as it tastes in.

Speaker 15 (01:11:41):
There as well.

Speaker 17 (01:11:42):
And one of the distinctive things about Nelson wines, or
two distinctive things, is great natural acidity and the white
spice component that comes through in penigree that's made really
well as a reflection of sight and vine age. So
this is a really delicious wine for people to get
their lips around.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Superb. So what would you eat with this? Do you think?

Speaker 17 (01:12:08):
Well, I've had you know. One of food pairing is
a hobby of mine, and what I found seems to
work best with wines like pino gree is a just
drink it on its own, but if you are going
to have food with it, then think then foods like
this richer white flesh sashimi. So if you have snapper

(01:12:28):
sashimi and pinogree, it works really really well. If you're
not into raw seafood, then something like a Waldorf salad
that's got a slightly creamy dressing to it and fresh
walnuts and pinogreet actually work rather well together, or something
like flounder.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, oh yep, yeah, okay, And tell us about the vintage,
because twenty twenty four was a pretty stellar season for
you know, for vineyards right across the country, right.

Speaker 17 (01:12:53):
Yeah, it was throughout New Zealand. It was a gift
from nature to say sorry about twenty three. Twenty four
is or was a vintage that really delivered an even
growing season. Flowering was great, although in some kind of
parts of the country it wasn't so great, but flowering
overall was very good, and that gave us an abundance

(01:13:16):
of fruit, ripe fruit at volume that we could make
some spectacular wines from really good vintage.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Do you know, I remember when I was living in
New York and I used to pop along to the
musket Room, which was that incredible New Zealand restaurant Michelin
Star restaurant with Matt Lambert behind the cock, you know,
leaving the kitchen, and I think you were involved in
and I remember seeing Noidorf wines listed at the Musket Room.

Speaker 17 (01:13:45):
Yeah, it was a great pleasure to be able to
list wine like that in New York. And yes, you're right,
we got a Michelin Star four months after being open.
And Barbara and Matt has moved on from that point
in time and they now run the large Bar group
under the Rod and Gun umbrella here in New Zealand.

(01:14:06):
So yeah, Greape Food comes home.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Ah, so good eh, Hey, thank you so much, Cameron.
That does sound fantastic. So Cameron's wine for us this
week is a Neudorff Titdy Titty Pinot Gree twenty twenty
four from Nelson. You have a wonderful time at your
Decanter World Wine Awards and we will catch in a
couple of eggs.

Speaker 17 (01:14:24):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Gardening with still sharp free autumn upgrades on Still's best sellers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Rude Climb Past is in the garden for us this morning,
talking clusterflies, which is the sort of thing that most
of us would be disgusted by, but of course Rude
is a little bit delighted by as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Good morning, sir, Good training Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:14:43):
You do realize that the clusterflies were in discovered by
talkback callers on Newstorg ZB in nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
No, are you serious, there you go?

Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Yeah, absolutely. I was working for the Ministry of Anger
and Fishheads or METH whatever they call themselves, and we
got these complaints of these funny little flies that were
coming in the North chore. That was a nineteen eighty
f and we went out and the had a look
and found oh gosh, it's the new species, the new
to New Zealand. That's the cluster flight from Europe basically,

(01:15:13):
and it came in probably on some cargo and ships
and things like that. Yeah, it was I won't forget that.
It was really cool fun because I was just working
at METH for the first year or so and there
we went. That was great fun. But those flies are
actually quite lovely if you see them. They're very common
in the South Island, by the way, and probably also
common in the cooler places of the North Island. So

(01:15:36):
I thought I'll just there's a lot of that stuff
on the on the on the website, so you can
read it all. I know that all the time in
the world. Gorgeous fly, golden hairs on its on its back.
It's beautiful actually, size of a blowfly, that sort of thing,
and a parasite of earthworms.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Oh really, it lays.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
Eggs in earthworm burrows, and then the maggots basically killed
the earthworms. It's not any any major thing for the
earthworm population, doesn't seem to be, you know, sell them
that much. But then comes this time of the year
and all the adult cluster fliers are getting together. They
work together a little bit like that Vatican stuff, you know,
they work together. They stick their fingers opposite. This is

(01:16:19):
where we go, and they put an pheromone trip into
this hole, the hole where they go into somebody's house
or under the house or in the ceiling, and that's
where they will be for the winter. And yeah, it's
cool stuff. But the problem is they've got this sticky
phaeromount which is quite rubbishy, stent and nasty and all

(01:16:41):
it and smells like buckwheat honey. And it's really hard
to control those things. And I know you probably haven't
had them in Auckland where you are, but if you
try to get rid of them, all the stick and
stuff and grime will stay everywhere. So here is the
best way to go about it. It's an oily material
of course that they leave anywhere on the services. But

(01:17:04):
if you get a residual aerosol from Safe Works. We've
talked about this before. Safe Works is a company that
is aerosol cans that we designed for aircraft sprays and
things like that, long lasting, you can actually get rid
of them without causing too much extra mess for yourself.
That's really what it's about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Okay, Yes, you just get the aerosol can. Very good
and it's Safe Works with an X. Isn't it like Safe.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Work at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the US okay now.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
But honestly it's the way to go about it, and
you'll find you will be able to stop them from
going in and out because the pheromone will be basically
toxic by then then they won't get in.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Oh very good. Hey, thanks RhoD appreciate that boy to
welcome through climb past in the garden with the cluster
fliers for us this morning after eleven o'clock on Newstalk.
Z'd be our book reviewer has read that amazing sounding
book by the New Zealander who used to work as
a sceniory at Facebook. So she's going to tell us
about careless people, plus the latest read from Isabelle a

(01:18:02):
Yen Day and as well as that, we're going to
listen to new music the first day of album by
Kiwi Muse those chaos in the CBD. Looking forward to
that news Us next time. It's almost eleven. I'm Jack
Tam and this is News Talks.

Speaker 14 (01:18:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
So Marie you good morning. If you're just turning us
on this morning, we've missed you. Thanks for joining us. No,
it's lovely to have you with us this morning on
News Talks. He'd be Jack Tame in the hot seat
through the midday today too. What I'm keeping a pretty
close eye on this situation in India and Pucket. I
know it's been kind of simmering away over the last
couple of weeks. The latest news overnight is that all

(01:19:12):
of the New Zealand cricketers and people adjacent to New
Zealand cricketers who are in India and Pakistan for the
various Indian and Pakistani cricket leagues at the moment, have
now left the country. And that includes the commentators who
are over there as well. I've left both countries. Yeah,
includes the commentators who are there as well. I actually,

(01:19:33):
just before COVID, one of the last things I did
before COVID really took off around the world right at
the end of twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, was traveled
through that region and my brother and I, in fact,
I spent New Year's Eve twenty twenty, by which stage,
of course, I suppose COVID was already affecting various countries.
I spent New Year's Eve twenty twenty in Mumbai, so

(01:19:54):
you know, the thirty first of December twenty nineteen hours
in Mumbai, and then in the days afterwards, my brother
and I went up into the Punjab and we kind
of traveled around a little, but we went to Amritza
and had a wonderful time there, and then we did
that kind of amazing thing. You might even remember it
from I think Michael Palan did it years ago, and

(01:20:16):
it's sort of become a bit of a mainstay of
travel shows. We went through the Waigar border, which is
the border in the Punjab region that kind of separates
Amritza from Lahore. Both of the cities are sort of
ten to fifteen k's away from the border as it stands,
but there was a real kind of central point and
partition and it's just like an incredibly lively, vibrant, rich

(01:20:42):
part of the world to travel through. And you know,
when you travel through Lahore and you realize that all
of these people, I mean, in some cases are still
speaking the same language on either side of the border.
They might be speaking Punjabi. They have so much in common,
so much shared history, so much kind of shared culture,
and yet there are these incredible divisions that exist today,

(01:21:03):
in this anim animosity that exists today between India and Pakistan,
largely as a result of the way in which that
partition went ahead. It's just so sad. It is just
so sad. And you know, I'm obviously hoping that things
in the next few days in Kashmi are able to
kind of simmer down a little bit and that the

(01:21:24):
tensions ease a little bit. But there's not much in
the world right now that can be a great cause
for optimism on that front. So you know, I really
hope that we can see a day when things are
a little more stable and when Indians and Pakistanis and
Punjabis can freely travel between those countries. It's no big deal.
That would be wonderful to see. Anyway, before a day
on news talks, he'd be We are going to play
some music from Chaos in the CBD. These two Kiwi

(01:21:47):
brothers have been making a really interesting kind of I
don't want to just call it dance music, but kind
of electronic urban music for the last fifteen or twenty years.
But they've only just released their first album, which is
interesting because they've got a massive following overseas. The band
is called Chaos in the CBD. So we're going to
play you a couple of songs from their new album

(01:22:08):
before midday. We'll have your book picks for this weekend
as well. Right now, though it is ten past eleven,
Jack were Sutherland's secondly coore psychologists from Umbrella Well Being
is with us this morning, Calderdogle, Curder Jack, how are you.
I'm very well, thank you. Hey. A few weeks ago,
interesting are you and I were discussing adolescents that that
amazing Netflix series. And then this week, of course, the

(01:22:32):
well A National MP has put forward a member's bill
that would that would effectively ban social media for under
sixteen year olds. But there's a new report from the
Classification Office that actually looks at what young people are
being exposed to online, which is fascinating.

Speaker 18 (01:22:48):
Yeah, yeah, fascinating and to be frank quite quite frightening
as well. And you know that that that they had
they spoke to about ten groups of young people so
that stage.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
Between twelve and twenty five.

Speaker 18 (01:23:02):
And look, it was incredibly common, almost universal that they
had and counted what the Classification Office called extremely harmful content,
and that's things like you know, graphic real world depictions
of violence and cuilty to animals, amongst other things.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
They won't go through the whole list because it's.

Speaker 18 (01:23:20):
A little bit stomach turning, but you know, this was
I guess that the message was that young people are
seeing really distressing content online. Now I do want to
say it's not just social media that there was a
variety of ways at that sener, but it was a
real eye opener, I think, and would be probably a

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surprise perhaps to many, particularly parents, about the content that
young people are actually seeing, not not always intentionally.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Well, and that's a key point, right, A lot of
the time it was actually unintentional that they came across
the stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:23:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was you know, it
wasn't Sometimes people searched it, you know, they would hear
something and search it and then go, oh my god,
that's horrible. But sometimes it just sort of turned up
and their news speeds, or somebody messaged them with it,
or or they saw it on a friend's device. So yes,

(01:24:15):
a lot of it was just unintentional that they hadn't
searched it out. It just it just appears, and they
suddenly were exposed to these really distressing sort of images online.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, and you can't unsee it. It's like it must
be pretty affecting, especially for young people.

Speaker 18 (01:24:31):
Yeah, and some of them used that to them, you know,
they said, look, some things you just can't unsee, and
they use words are horrified and terrified and probably you know,
depending on what they've seen, there's that there's a real
risk of some of them probably developing things like ptsd
as as a result of that, or of seeing something,
particularly if it's real you know, it's real life, so

(01:24:51):
it's you know, it's quite it's quite sobering. I think
that the what's out there and what our young people
have been often inadvertently exposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Do young people know what to do if they come
across the stuff like do they feel like they can
tell parents? Do they feel like they can you know,
the parents feel like they can try and tell the
platform or you.

Speaker 18 (01:25:12):
Know, well that that that's they're They're often unsure. That
was one of the findings is that they were often
unsure about.

Speaker 17 (01:25:20):
What to do.

Speaker 18 (01:25:21):
They were worried that if they told a parent, for
a teacher, then that the immediate result would be right,
you know, give us your phone or your device, you're
not having that anymore. And they didn't, you know, the
message from them was that that they didn't want that
they didn't and they weren't often confident about reporting it,
you know, to a platform, because it seemed for many

(01:25:43):
of them quite a laborious process and it wasn't really
clear that it would work. But they did say they
wanted to have. They wanted to be able to have
open communications with trusted people in their lives when they
had come across it, and and to be able to
And I guess it's respecting the fact that they're developing
into adults to be able to be supported and figuring

(01:26:07):
out what to do. So rather than having parents or
adults jump and removing things immediately, it was like, actually,
let's try and knuck this out together, and let's give
you the skills that you can use next time you
come across it, you know, because it does sound like
there will be next time. So yeah, so it was
a sort of a more nuanced thing that they were

(01:26:27):
really asking for, not not. And I think the danger is,
of course, if things are removed immediately, then it just
you just I'm not sure that that will necessarily stop it,
but it's likely to push the behavior underground.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Yeah, so they.

Speaker 18 (01:26:43):
Might see it, but then they won't tell anybody about it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah, that's the thing, because a natural impulse from a
parenting perspective will be like, wow, all right, we'll just
gotta you know, we're just gonna have to keep you
off the interinet for the rest of your life. Here yeah, yeah,
I agree.

Speaker 18 (01:26:58):
I think it is a really natural impulse as parents
that if you know, if our kids have seen something
that's really upsetting and distressing, truly want to protect them
from that. But I'm you know, and I can see that,
I can see the argument there. But I firstly, I mean,
if you banned them from social media, you probably are

(01:27:20):
not not actually going to fix the whole problem because
it wasn't always on social media. And then what are
you going to do? You're going to are you going
to ban the internet? You know, a you're going to
ban it for a sixteen year old. It's literally in
the air around us. And so I'm not, you know,
I understand that desire, but I'm not one hundred percent
sure that it would be the would actually be the

(01:27:41):
best thing. And you know, and we do want to
keep those communication channels open for the young people so
if they do see it, they can come and tell someone,
because it's super important, you know, to be able to
not want to hold that in if you've seen something
really distressing, be able to have somebody safe that you
can go and sort of be stress and unwind with
and let them know and just just you know, share

(01:28:02):
that with somebody, so it's perhaps take some of this
thing out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, I think that's the thing. The nuance is the key,
the key thing when it comes to the parents' response,
you just want to and try and have some nuance there.
What do you think of the banning under sixteen from
social media idea?

Speaker 10 (01:28:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:28:18):
I'm mixed about today. I mean, I like, I understand
it and especial if you're being exposed to difficult stuff.
On the other hand, we know that a lot of
social it's a big source of social contact for a
lot of young people, particularly in minority groups or who
are perhaps geographically remote, that it's a real source of

(01:28:41):
social connection. And I know the argument will be, well,
we grew up with it. You know, we didn't have
the Internet when we grew up.

Speaker 7 (01:28:47):
But you know that's I know that.

Speaker 18 (01:28:49):
And I grew up in that area era too, and
it's like, well, we still made friends, but we're not
in that era anymore.

Speaker 17 (01:28:55):
That's history.

Speaker 18 (01:28:56):
And I kind of get the sentiment, but I just
worried that it won't actually be as effectives as people
would like it to be. Be interesting to sit, you know,
to trace Australia and see what's going to happen there
because they you know, they have effectively done that and
so be interesting to see how they go. But I
I worry about the policing of it. What I would

(01:29:19):
say is i'd support I definitely support, you know, social
media companies from having having continuing to improve the content
that that's on their platform and kind of put it
back on them and say, hey, look, you know, if
you are going to have a make money from this,
can you at least make sure that it's not harmful
to people? You know, and maybe there's a separate platform

(01:29:41):
front of sixteens or something. I don't know, but but
but you know, I'm in favor of certainly putting the
emphasis on those social media companies to be continue to
police things even more strongly than they are now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Yeah, such a tricky one. Hey, thanks so much, Google.
We really appreciate your dialing inside as always of course,
just google something and they're from Umbrella Well Being in
a couple of minutes as travel correspondent, and he has
whittled down a list of his top five star dining
destinations in London, so he will share those with us
right now. It's nineteen past eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours, Where the world is yours
for now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Our travel correspondent is Mike Yardley. Mike, am I right
in thinking that Christ you just sold out for the
Chiefs Crusaders game this evening.

Speaker 9 (01:30:27):
I think it's sold out in October.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
That's amazing. I think is it like the first time
it's been sold out for ages?

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
I mean, I'm sure to come and it opens next year,
will sell out immediately. But yeah, so good to see
that's going to be that's going to be a thrilling
game tonight just after seven o'clock.

Speaker 9 (01:30:44):
As a Crusaders fans, very quickly, Jack, I'm so pleased
to see not just d Mech back, but one of
my favorite rugby players of all time at the moment,
Wall's to ts. So good to have them back on
the field.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Yeah, he's at fource A like just as he's like
a little hurricane on the field.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Yeah, no, that's going to be an amazing question to night.
So very much looking forward to that. But we are
turning our tea and a little further afield this morning.
Five star dining destinations in London, and few cities in
the world do afternoon tea or high tea quite like London.
So where is the ultimate place to partake in this pastime?

Speaker 9 (01:31:21):
You really can't beat the Ritz, Sorry and Jack for
a timeless tea times splurge, And it is a splurge
because it's seventy nine pounds per person the Ritz, I know,
but the splendor of that setting, the Palm Court Salon
is quite the place to stuff your face. Yeah, and
you've got lots of British classics. You know, your Scottish

(01:31:42):
smoked salmon samis, your fluffy scones with Cornish clotted cream. Interestingly,
the thing about the Ritz apparently they are the only
UKK hotel that has a certified tea master and his
sole job is to travel around the world to various
tea plantations to source their loose leaf teas. Wouldn't that

(01:32:03):
be a gig?

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Yeah? Yeah, that's tough, tough life. Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, yeah,
it's spinny, but it's like you've got to do it once, right,
I feel like that's the thing with the Yeah. So
just down the road on Piccadilly, what about Fortnam and Mason.

Speaker 9 (01:32:16):
Yes, for over three hundred years, this is the high
end grosser and tea merchant, a real regal London main
state up currently actually got two royal warrants from both
the King and the Queen, which is quite unique. But
the Diamond Jubilee Tea cellon is where you will go
for afternoon tea here really popular. The thing about the menu,

(01:32:37):
just the teas alone. They have got ninety two tees
on offer in their menu, which is insane. When it
comes to the food, quite inventive. They've sort of switched
things up a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
So.

Speaker 9 (01:32:48):
A really big hit at Fortman Mason for the high
t is lobster scones with cream cheese and cavia topping.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Why not Jack, Okay? Lobster scones with cream cheese and
kevier Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, why not? Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:33:06):
I mean is it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
It's a bit creative that I'm into it for What
about high tea with a difference? What's happening at the Shard?

Speaker 9 (01:33:12):
Well, particularly if you're traveling with kids, I would say
for something really whimsical, head to the Shard for a
seriously high tea. At Britain's highest skyscraper, Aquashard Restaurant, they
serve up a Peter Pan afternoon tea, so your kids
will feel like they have been transported to Neverland, gazing
over the rooftops of London. All of the tasty morsels

(01:33:37):
are story Bok themed and they're all stacked high on
this Captain Hawk Pirate Ship tea stand complete with tinker
Bell biscuits jack tape. So with the tinker Bell biscuits,
you'll have a suitably costumed waitress who sort of pops
up at your table and sprays your biscuits with an
edible gold glitter. Your little princess will love that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
For the ultimate British lunch, a Sunday roast, What can
you expect you? It's a Dorchester.

Speaker 9 (01:34:05):
Oh my goodness. This is a feast at the Grill
by Tom Booten at the Dorchester. So you've got to
go famished because you will not need to eat for
a week. And I had a number of people warn
me about this, but man alive, did I stuff myself.
So you get this roasted Hereford beef served with braised shin,

(01:34:27):
stuffed Yorkshire pudding, horseradish cream and the most insane procession
of bowls bursting with glazed carrot, seasonal greens, dup fat
potatoes and colieflower cheese. I could have gone there alone
for the couliflower cheese jack soft Gowey, highly addictive and
apparently the secret is to slightly roast the collie and

(01:34:49):
the cheese should be greir and cheddar. Grey air and
cheddar cheese, absolutely the ultimate comfort food.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Oh, how good is Tom Booton and ethic chef?

Speaker 9 (01:35:01):
Yeah, so he is creating quite a wave in the UK.
He's only thirty one, but he's con it did one
of Blighty's red hot chefs, shaking up Britain's old standards.
Before I had the roast, my starter was one of
Tom's cheese and onion donuts with grape chutney, unbelievably delicious.

(01:35:21):
And for dessert, Tom sort of worked up that British
love affair with rhubub so he does this rhubarb pie
paired with rhubarb and custard ice cream, and he tops
it with tarragan, so you get this sort of subtle
aniseed flavor. But as I say, go hungry to the
Dorchester because it is a five star food coma.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Speaking of the celebrity chefs, what about dinner by Heston Blumenthal?

Speaker 9 (01:35:48):
Yes, you will find this two star Michelin restaurant in
Amandarin Oriental, so it's just across the road from Herod's.
But if you're looking for a super special dinner splash
in London, I reckon this is the one for dinner.
Heston has touched up a trove of really historic British
recipes rich back centuries. So my starter was a meat

(01:36:11):
fruit from the sixteenth century. This is like a chicken
liver parfait, shaped like a mandarin covered by a mandarin
orange jelly. So it's hey smooth, it's earthy, and obviously
you get that citrusy sweetness as well. My name Jack
actually hails from seventy to nine AD from a Pompeii cookbook.

(01:36:35):
It was duck and turnip, so it was like medium
rea duck meat with a butterly soft turnip pure and
then a sprinkling of black truffle. And you want to
add to that a side of Heston's triple cocked chips,
which are just so good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
Yeah, wow, this is amazing. It sounds pretty good for
a reci be that's that old, you know, I'm sure
the tastes over time.

Speaker 9 (01:36:56):
What about the dessert, Well, yes, at Heston's at the
Mandarin Oriental, my top tip would be to order up
an ice cream or some tape side theaters. So what
happens is the waitress wheels out of trolley with a
hand cring to mixer and she fuses liquid nitrogen with
vanilla custard and you get this dramatic cloud of missed

(01:37:18):
a pair of pub table instantly creating a seductively smooth
ice cream. The whole idea of this is this is Heston's.
We salute to the English frozen dessert pioneer. I'd never
heard of this woman, miss Marshall. So she apparently popularized
the use of liquid nitrogen in the kitchen over a

(01:37:38):
century ago.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Yeah amazing, Okay, yeah, that's us.

Speaker 19 (01:37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
I mean, it wouldn't be a kind of Heston restaurant
if there wasn't some liquid nitrogen in a foam and
in a smoke or something. Right, Okay, this is very cheeky.
I thought this morning I would add one other little
recommendation if you are amenable to that, and that's for breakfast.
So long longtime listens to the show might remember that
my favorite author of all time is AA Gil and

(01:38:05):
the kind of brilliant British food and travel and TV writer,
and he published a whole book called Breakfast at the Wallsley,
which is about the Warsley restaurant, which is like this
kind of very traditional, you know, very London high street
kind of restaurant. Yeah, very fancy. I'm just going to
read you a couple of the couple of little things

(01:38:26):
from their menu. I looked it up this morning so
I could share them with you. So you could start
off with a half a pink grapefruit, wash it down
with prunes and orange and ginger, which is pretty tasty.
And then maybe for a hot breakfast you could go
with the fried haggers and duck eggs with a whiskey sauce,
the bubble and squeak with wild mushrooms, or maybe the
grilled kipper with mustard butter, which is all just so

(01:38:49):
like so British. Don't you think you had me at
the whisky sauce. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not. I mean
it's not like an everyday meal for me, but yeah,
I just think there's something special about it. So if
you were looking for a breakfast option in London, I
would recommend you whipped down to the library, you read
the book Breakfast at the Walls Lee, which is a
book by AA Gil all about having breakfast there, and
then maybe you go and enjoy some of his favorite

(01:39:10):
dishes as well. So there you go.

Speaker 9 (01:39:15):
It's really good.

Speaker 18 (01:39:16):
Jack.

Speaker 9 (01:39:16):
He is so sadly most as an age god.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
Yeah, yeah, I remember we had him on the show
once before he died, only a few months before he died.
It was just like I still reflect on that as
like an absolute career highlight. It was such a such
a pleasure to speak with him. So anyway, we will
make sure all of your superb recommendations are up on
the News Talks. He'd be website and catch you again
very soon. Mike Hardly our travel correspondent. The easiest thing

(01:39:40):
to do for everything from AS Show is just to
go to the News Talks. He'd be dot codon indeed
Ford slash Jack. We make sure everything from AS Show,
all of the books we recommend, films, Mike's travel tips,
all of that stuff goes up there once it's been
on the radio. It has just gone eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Thirty, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
team on News talks.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
'b that on the Sacks is Kiwi jazz ic on
Nathan Haynes and that song is from Chaos and the CBD.

(01:40:28):
These are the Kiwi brothers who've been making music for ages.
Because I don't know how to define it is kind
of you know, maybe urban jazz is that urban jazz
is that is it too much of a stretch. Anyway,
They've got a brand new album, their first ever album.
So we're going to listen to a Deeper Life and
we'll play you a couple of other songs before midday.

(01:40:48):
Right now though is twenty six to twelve on News Stalks.
He'd be Jason pine Is in after midday with weekend
Sport and looking at Grayson Wiki's eligibility, which is going
to be a fascinating subject for New Zealand netball fans.
Piney because she has had a pretty good run of
things playing for her Sydney t Yeah indeed, hey Jack Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:41:08):
Generational player, isn't she and clearly a massive part of
the Silver Firm's success or otherwise as we all know.
Because she's elected to play her netball domestically in Australia,
she's ineligible under the current rules to play for New
Zealand this year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
She dumb dum dum, dumb dum, dumb dumb.

Speaker 19 (01:41:27):
You will not get an argument from me. She says
she wants to play. Coach Dave Nolin told her wants
her to play. Even Jenny Wiley, the CEO, say year,
we'd love to play. The fans I'm sure would. The
only people who seem to be having any doubts about
this are the board of Netball New Zealand. So I'm
going to get the chair on this afternoon and find
out where we are. Matt Winnoet is the chair of
Netble New Zealand. Look, I think you know we all
understand the fear that if they say yes to Grace

(01:41:48):
Wiki then they risk or run the risk rather of
a whole bunch of other players. And you know what,
we'll leave the am Z at prem as well and
go and play somewhere else. I actually don't think that's
a risk. I don't think it's a real thing. Grace
Wiki is an exceptional player and I just can't see
that there are too many others who would be cherry
picked by Australian team. So let's face it, already have

(01:42:09):
a very strong domestic getball competition, Like, I just don't
see you downside to letting Grace Wiki play for the
Silver Funds this year. I can't find one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
No, I like you say, it's just a slippery, slow argument, right,
and we've had it in the past from Network. I'm
just astonished that they still kind of have this eligibility
rule in place. I mean, maybe maybe when you speak
with the chair they can explain to us something we
don't understand at the moment. We should go an open
mind it. But I just like you say, it's not
like Australia's desperate for netball talent, correct, And you know,

(01:42:40):
I mean the mere fact that Grace wants to play
over there is presumed because the standard of players higher.

Speaker 19 (01:42:45):
Yep, she wants to improve yourself, which is the commended, commended,
rewarded even And you know the funny thing is Jack,
that it doesn't work the other way. The Australian players
who play over here are eligible for the diamonds.

Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:42:58):
It's yeah, anyway, well we'll unpack this with Matt one
of day. Dig Wilson's gonna chep on this as well.
And then and then Jack, I mean the Crusaders any
chance against the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Yes, what.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Very droll, A bit too easily on that, didn't I like?
I just I just I know, just like Coil, I
know here on the back of my necks have stood
unstantly and I reacted, Okay, yeah, game be a great game.
Yeah I cannot wait for that. It sold out as
well tonight.

Speaker 19 (01:43:31):
Yes, so good. And look, these are these are the
games that we get excited. Look, I'm unlike you. I
don't have any skin in this game, so I can
just watch very very interested bystander. Look, I think you know,
the Crusaders are clearly favorites. They're at home, they're playing well.
You know, a win tonight would go a long way
towards securing top Spottom. You know, the Crusaders. You know
what it makes you wonder about last year, doesn't it.

(01:43:54):
I know they were missing a couple of players and
that sort of thing, But talk about an outlier, you know,
in terms of Crusader's recent history. And full credit kudos
to Rob Penny in the playing group for turning this
around one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
I mean this time last year we were all saying, oh,
this's definitely been gone. At the end of the season
if not before, you know, it's amazing. It just kind
of shows how sporting fortunes can change, you know, just
just in such a short window. Sounds like a great show.
Thank you, sir. Looking for at this after know Jason
Pine with us right after the midday news on news
Talks EDB with Weekend Sport before midday, we'll play you

(01:44:26):
that Chaos and the CBD album. Next up, We've got
your book picks for this weekend, including this incredible kind
of expose of Facebook's top leadership by a New Zealander
who used to call herself a Facebook executive twenty two to.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Twelve, Saturday Morning with Jack Team Fulk Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
EDB nineteen to twelve. Sarah Wynn Williams, the New Zealand
former executive of Facebook, made headlines worldwide when her book
Careless People was published, but of course she was banned
because of legal action from doing any publicity around the book.
Now our book reviewer Katain Rains has read Careless People.
When she's with us now ko to Catherine Morning Jack,

(01:45:09):
So tell us about it.

Speaker 10 (01:45:11):
So, look, it's.

Speaker 8 (01:45:11):
Really interesting, as you say, Sarah One Clark she's a
former Meta Facebook employee, and she talks very much in
the beginning of her book, actually she's attacked by a shark,
and it actually kind of explains a lot about her
as a person in the way she was right was raised.
And she really describes herself as an idealist, and that's
kind of worth having in the back of your mind
when you're reading this book, because she's this theory of

(01:45:33):
trying to change Facebook from the inside. And so she
spent from twenty eleven to twenty seventeen essentially working in
global policy for Facebook, and she gives readers a very
behind the scenes look at what it was like working
for Meta and people like Mark Zuckerberg and Cheryl Sandberg
and Joel Kaplan, and she talks very very much about

(01:45:55):
how toxic that workplace environment is. And then she looks
at Facebook's global dealings and their desire to have an
app available in every country and the process that entailed
them to throw that and she naively, I think, thought
that Facebook was doing it for good in the world
and the power of connectivity, and she talks much more

(01:46:16):
she gets through the book about how Facebook really lost
its way and grows corrupt and careless about its impact
on people, particularly marginalized people across the world. And I
do think a little bit about how Sarah's kind of
responsibility in this, and you know, this was a job
that she really wanted and she really wanted to help
shape the policy and the company into something good. And
I think that really comes back to sort of how

(01:46:36):
she sees herself as an idealist. And it's it's fascinating
reading and you know how so many people in the
world now are just careless out for themselves and you know,
that battle of egos and greed and desire for more power.
And so I think she probably reflects what a lot
of ex employees have spoken about some and veiled references
a lot of people anonymously, and she's chosen ready to

(01:46:58):
come out and write about that experience and how social
media has completely changed in the place that we're in
with social media now, and how it affects our lives
and the impact that it has on you know, people
my age, but also you know, you look at how
the impact it has on kids that have really grown
up with us. So I think she she writes a
really interesting, you know, kind of thought process behind this,

(01:47:20):
And I think it's kind of an interesting point to
throw in the mix when you're looking at social media.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Yeah right, okay, cool, I can't wait to read that.
That's Careless People by Sarah and Williams. You've also read
My Name Is Amelia del Vaillier by Isabelle Allende.

Speaker 8 (01:47:34):
So this is set in Chile in the eighteen eighties
and Amelia Develle doesn't have the most or especially start
really in life. Her wealthyacher Chilean father abandons her mother,
Wally Welsh, before she's even born, but Molli remarries, and
Amelia really regards her stepfather as her real father in
a sense, and it's his encouragement and with her desire

(01:47:55):
to write, and she starts out writing these dime novels
which are published under the name of Brandon Price, and
it's him that kind of really, you know, sets that
like that light of writing in her. And then eventually,
when she grows up, she persuades a mister Chamberlain it
the Examiner in San Francisco, to take her on as
a journalist and she's offered the chance to go to
Chile in eighteen ninety one when civil war is brewing,

(01:48:17):
and you get this real first person narrative, and it
gives the real feeling of a memoir, and you meet
the people she meets along the way, and the acquaintances
and interesting characters, and the story of a journalist, and
the descriptions of the place like San Francisco and New
York and Santiago almost feel like you're right there. And
the description of the events and the people in the
political censure situation, and the fact that as a journalist

(01:48:40):
in eighteen eighties that's almost unheard of. Soe this read
this picture of this very strong woman, deeply connected with
her family and culture, and it has a wonderful sense
of time and place. And the translation from its original
Spanish is superb. And if you love Isabella Lende then
you will absolutely want to read.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
This fantastic Okay, that's my name is Emilia del Valler.
And Careless People by Sarah and Williams is Catherine's first book.
Both of those would of course be on the website.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
This this cherlay does it remind you of anywhere The
song is called or Tucky. It's by Chaos in the
CBD You featuring Fin Reese. Stele Clifford has been listening
to Chaos in the CBD's first day album, A Deeper Life,
and she's with this good morning.

Speaker 20 (01:49:38):
Yeah, something a little different for us, with a bit
of a chill. I think maybe I'm just trying to
cling to summer.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Yes, like a sunny this album.

Speaker 20 (01:49:47):
Actually, Chaos and the CBD kind of is like you're
like a slow Sunday, brewing the coffee, reading the paper
when you didn't have to do things before nine because
you didn't have small humans.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
In your Yes, it's sort of an irony because you
hear Chaos and the CBD and you're anticipating some like
either hip hop or death metal or something. You know,
you're expert some chaos and madness exactly.

Speaker 20 (01:50:09):
And so the name of them is like quite a
different thing of where this album is. And I think
because some of their music, look, they have been on
that house House e beetha kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Party zone, haven't we all right?

Speaker 20 (01:50:23):
But I think also they're kind of part of the
chill zone, you know, the calm down I think that
they actually supplied the music for the comdown one of
the one of their co left, so this is the
first time on their music and it's also their debut album.
So they've been doing this for like over a decade,
but this is the first time they've put a body
of work together into an album. So this has got

(01:50:44):
a lot of featured artists, one being Nathan Haynes, which
is pretty awesome, and so he plays sex on one
of the songs, He's in another one with his help
write and all the rest of it too. He's actually
playing at the Stables and Mutterkhana tonight if anyone needs
a little drive somewhere north. I saw that on the
bathroom door when I was at a wedding there in

(01:51:04):
the week. But he's one of those artists that kind
of pops up a Nathan Haynes that people do some
cool work works, and.

Speaker 9 (01:51:11):
I think.

Speaker 20 (01:51:13):
Absolutely and this album is a bit of that too.
Actually it's yeah, it's clever, and it's kind of because
I don't know if I've necessarily listened to a lot
of house music, but this is one of those ones
that you can easily just either you're needing a bit
of a daydream and a chill out, but there's also
enough of a beats to not completely make it sleep,
you know. Like they sort of said they wanted this

(01:51:34):
album to be something that actually makes us all to
slow down a little bit, take a breath, take it easy.
They're really embraced because these guys have been living over
in London, I believe for like the last ten years,
but definitely well and truly entrenched in their Keywi upbringing
on the north Shore in Auckland, and so this has

(01:51:56):
got quite a lot of ambiance of beautiful birds the ocean,
like it really takes you to a place, and I
think that's quite clever when you then still also have
these really rhythm that sounds and beats and instruments that
go through your music. They've also named a lot of
the tracks, which I think, because they're quite big on
the international scene, will be interesting for an international audience.

(01:52:17):
Or tucky tongue bed or crossing. One's called Marlborough but
more like the Siggi's. It's about like the Siggis as
opposed to the Just to make sure you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Know some Marlburg Blue all had.

Speaker 20 (01:52:33):
One of those uncles used to make you go the
dairy get those And actually Louis who he's said about
this that it is a real love letter to home
for them, which makes me think maybe they're a bit
homestick and they need to come back and sit on
a beach and listen to some birds and stuff. But yeah,
I think it's going to be a really interesting thing
for an international audience to hear some of these tunes,
I think. So it starts with an opener that just

(01:52:56):
it's called down by the Cove, and it's exactly that.
It's not this tranquil hypnotic start or tucky features finnres
so little shout out there to the Kapri horror Fenal
in mates. But it's got a somber beat underneath, and
again I think that's the thing you'll find. You'll be
able to chill out with this album. But again it's
still got that rhythm you know when you walk into

(01:53:17):
like a cool gallery or a cafe, you know those
kind of tricks come on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
No, I'm teasing. It was merely intimating that I'm knowing
the corner. Do you ever have time to go to
a call a cafe? But no, I know exactly what
you mean.

Speaker 20 (01:53:30):
Yeah, like it really it's kind of a cool scene,
and it's it's really kind of actually, it gave me
a real excuse to sort of just relax and let
go a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
So I'm going to throw out a genre that I
haven't heard anyone reference in about twenty years, urban jazz.
Do you remember that urban jazz? It is kind of
like a little bit dancy, a little bit jazzy, a
little bit like kind of dancy, you know, like, yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:53:54):
Actually, you know what, that's actually probably a really good
way to put it. It's got the ambient stuff, it's
got a bit of soul jazz. Some of the featured
singers probably bring a little bit of that as well. Yeah, true,
So yeah, urban urban's to put it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
I mean, I hadn't listened to the album, so I'm
very much putting ways. But the way that you're kind
of describing this confluence of different musical genres, I think.

Speaker 20 (01:54:14):
Yeah, I think I think it probably is there, I think.

Speaker 12 (01:54:16):
And also just.

Speaker 20 (01:54:17):
Embracing that real sort of energy that summer in the
sun breezer. Yeah, if you're needing to embrace a bit
of that this weekend, and maybe this is your your
good one for that. The track you're going to play
after this is called Tears, and it features Saucy Lady,
which I just I love her alter ego names Ladder.
She is a funk soul artist, so you know that

(01:54:39):
urban funk soul thing definitely sort of exists with her.
She really is embracing that seventies eighties era her style
and also her voice. But it just goes so good
with what they've created on the track with her, So
maybe this is where they're heading. Like some more featured
artists bring some extra sort of layers onto it, you know,
some boys stuff, but there's also lots of instrumental.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Yeah, so you've got the voice sometimes and then other
times that there's no kind of there are no yeah
right yeah, and.

Speaker 20 (01:55:07):
You know sometimes people are wanting to album missing along,
so it's probably not that so much.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
No yeah, no, no no. That sounds great though. Okay,
so what did you give it? A Deeper life by
cows CBD.

Speaker 20 (01:55:16):
I've really enjoyed this. It's an eight out of teen
form boys.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Yeah great, it sounds like a good little weekend listener reckon, Hey,
thank you so much. As Telle, Like I said, we'll
play a little bit more in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
A cracking way to start your Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Saturday mornings with Jack Day and vpure dot co dot
ins head for high quality supplements, News Talk sa'd be wash.

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
And just like that, another morning together is done. Thank
you so much for all of your messages throughout the morning.
On News Talks, head b Jason Pine is behind the
mic this afternoon with Weekend Sport. Looking at the Grace
Wiki eligibility situation for everything from our show, go to
the website. Find us on Facebook by searching Jack Tame Massive.
Thanks to my producer Libby for doing all of the
difficult stuff and just letting me talk smack. We're going

(01:56:00):
to leave you with chaos and the CBD. The new
album is a Deeper Life. This song's called Tears. I'll
see you next week.

Speaker 21 (01:56:25):
Shut stop that fu Shure.

Speaker 17 (01:56:46):
Jess gets stop.

Speaker 21 (01:56:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
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