Full Show Podcast: 11 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
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(01:04):
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it's panel shows, whether it's a sketch comedy, there's just

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something about British humor that has that extra little bit
of magic. Anyway, you know, the show the Traitors that
we had here that Paul Henry was hosting. Well, the
Brits are doing a celebrity version of the Traders and
just wait until you hear who they've got lined up
for it. So Stephen Fry is going to be on it.
Alan Carr is going to be on it. It is

(01:46):
going to be absolutely hilarious. Our screen time expert has
seen it, so she's going to give us all the
details for where you can see the British version of
the Celebrity Traitors. After ten o'clock this morning, our feature
interview is a Kiwi museoh making waves. His name is
Sam Cullen. He's going to perform live in studio, so
really looking forward to that. Before ten o'clock, a delicious

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very soon. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Check team.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So the All Whites were playing Poland yesterday in the
build up for next year's Football World Cup. I saw
about half of the game and although we ultimately lost,
my main takeaway was that we looked all right. We
looked all right. Maybe not quite ruthless enough in front
of goal. But we looked all right. You see, all
whites teams of old would have faced potential humiliation in

(02:41):
a game against Poland, like you know, seven or eight
goals down, but not this team. So yep, it was
a defeat, but a one nil defeat. I think we
left where our heads held high. Anyway, for whatever reason,
I was also struck during the game by one of
the challenges that led to a yellow cart in the
way in which the players reacted. Now, to be clear,

(03:05):
there was nothing special about this tackle, right, That wasn't
a particularly unique moment or anything like that. It was
a heavy, clumsy challenge, but one which happens in every
top tier football game, and you know, probably every Sunday
League Gold Noldies Master's forty plus social game as well.
So the tackle came in the ref blue is whistle

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and in a moment, players from both teams immediately crowded
them out. And I just don't get it. I don't
understand why football, of all sports, lets players rush the referee,
getting right up in their face to theatrically plead innocence,

(03:50):
or insists that an opponent should be more harshly sentenced. Sure,
the rule state that players can be penalized for descent,
but it happens so rarely. It is such a rare
event that you see a football referee actually penalize a
player for pushing the line too far. Instead, you see
players rush the ref all the time in top level games,

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and sometimes half a team will run it. It can
take minutes to restore order. And I get it. I
get that sport is emotional, right, but it's a curious
exercise to compare what football will generally allow players to
do to referees with other more violent sports. So in
rugby there is absolutely no way that referees would stand

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for it. There is a very clear process. If you've
got a problem, your captain is welcome to bring it
up to the ref But if any other players push
the line too much, they risk being penalized, and most
players get it pretty quickly. And American football, you know NFL,
it is even more extreme. If you give much more
than a yes, sir to one of the officials, you'll

(04:58):
be penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct, or in many cases, you
just be kicked out of the game. You'll be ejected.
That's it, and they have tried similar things in football.
They've had a couple of trials in recent years. They
looked at a blue card option in which referees could
sind in players for dessent, so if you got too lippy,

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you'd be sent off for ten minutes. They looked at
rules where only captains could approach referees, but so far
it hasn't been adopted in the top leagues with the
most money, the most viewers, and the most influence. Apparently.
One of the concerns is that cracking down on player
treatment of referees will suppress some of the emotion in
the game, and of course emotion makes it fun to watch.

(05:43):
But I don't know, I don't know, I reckon. By
being so loosey goosey and allowing ten or a dozen
players to all get up in the ref's face at once,
they've ended up incentivizing histrionic behavior, you know what I mean.
Think about it, right, If a player makes a heavy

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tackle and knows that they are probably in the wrong,
they now have to go up and scream and yell
and stamp their feet and make a massive scene at
their supposed cruel treatment because they know that the other
team will be making just as much of a scene
trying to get them punished. It's kind of like an
arms race, right. You have to match your opponent's outrage,

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and that only incentivizes more and more and more drama.
It only incentivizes the whole team to rush over to
the referee. Football is, as far as team sports go,
near perfect in my view. It is such a wonderful sport.
It is beautifully simple. The barriers to entry are basically nonexistent.

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The scope for creativity and flair is vast. But if
there is one way the beautiful game might be improved
just a little bit, I reckon it's the way that
players treat the referee. Jack two two is our text number.
But if you want to send us a message this morning,
Jacket Newstalks hedb dot co dot nz is my email address.

(07:11):
If you are going to flick as a text, don't
forget the standard text costs supply and yes, the news
this morning or late last night. Rather, Donald Trump is
not winning the Nobel Peace Prize at least this year.
And I know you might be wondering what I think
about that. I mean, well, first of all, you have
to say in the last couple of days. He's made
a hell of a sprint for the line. So he

(07:32):
might not have been the favorite for the Nobel Peace
Prize a fortnight ago, but certainly the events of the
last three or four days might have improved his outside chances.
I just think, you know, as with everything, the proof
of the pudding is in the eating. And when it
comes to this peace plan, I reckon the really complicated
stuff actually won't be the hostage and prisoner exchanges in

(07:57):
the next few days, or the Israeli forces partially pulling out.
I reckon the really difficult stuff will be a bit
down the line, so like the the questions about how
they manage Hamas disarming, what they do about like running
Gaza in the West Bank, and who should govern it.

(08:18):
I reckon that stuff will be really tricky, like what
will happen when there are inevitable skirmishes or attacks or
fighting in the future. How will all parties react to that?
But but but but but but all that being said,
I just don't think anyone could say that this week's
news is anything but good for Gaza, good for Israel,
good for the Palestinian people, good for the world. I

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think it's really good. And you know, it's taken far,
far too long to get to this point. In my view,
the scale of the destruction and the and the civilian
deaths has been just totally grotesque. But by the sounds
of things, Donald Trump and the White House had a
meaningful role to play in brokering the ceasefire, so fair

(09:01):
play to them too. It might have come too late,
but it is still improvement on where things were a
week ago. So fair play.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk Savy.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Jack says Teva soccer is the only sport to have
multiple actors who are better than Hollywood stars. I don't
know Tva. I actually don't think that. I think they
do a lot of acting, but I don't think they're
very good at acting in football. That's my thing. But
you know how it used to be the thing that
if I moaned about all Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood, and there's
still a bit of that in football, probably a bit
too much of it. But I just I reckon this

(09:42):
is actually lower hanging fruit, like an easier change. The
thing is that when they come up, when they rush
the referee. They get right into the ref's face, like
sometimes they can be fifteen centimeters away. It would just
be totally unacceptable in most other sports. I just don't
don't really get why it's still okay in football anyway.
More of your feedback in a few minutes. Ninety two.
Ninety two is our text number if you want to

(10:03):
send me a message. Kevin Milne is whether this morning
kelder Kevin.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
I would have thought the football authorities, if they wanted to,
could just come down really hard. But they don't seem
to want to. I remember this fast over diving, and
they were going to penalize anybody that was considered to
have tried.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
To They do they do, They do penalize, and they
call it simulation, which is a very Now it doesn't happen.
It doesn't happen that much. I reckon they've toned. I
reckon diving in football has toned down a little bit
because TV coverage is so good now that you can
really clearly see if someone's been properly clipped and everything else.

(10:48):
There's still too much. There's still too much diving. But no,
they could, they absolutely could cut They could crack down
on this if they wanted, and they have done trials
in the last few years they have done trials. So
the governing body for footballing rules have done trials to
try and get people to give the reffs a bit
of a easier time, and then they decided not to introduce it.

(11:10):
Apparently the big leagues don't want to introduce it because
they think it sucks the emotion out of the game.
But I just, yeah, I reckon.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
It's oh, there isn't it.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yes, but you can see how it's a kind of
an arms race, right, so the moment both teams Russian.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
It's just yes, I totally understand that there's a very
good analogy.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Yeah, But you know, if the authority is going to
say it takes the emotion out of the game, then
basically they're saying, we don't care if the players confront
the referee. It's all part of the fun.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Would you say that the emotions been taken out of rubbing?
I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't, so, I just I
think it's I think it's silly anyway. A couple of
quotes from famous people this week, Keven, have surprised you
of it.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
A couple of great quotes came to light this week.
The first wasn't actually spoken this week, but emerged in
the coverage of the death of Jane Goodall, who taught
us all about primates in the wild. Jane Goodall had
been as if it were true that chimps were not
her favorite animals. She said, no, they're not. They're too
much like humans. So I love some and dislike others.

(12:15):
My favorite animals are dogs. You can't get any more
unconditional love than from a dog. Her quote reaffirms everything
I know about dogs, Jack. I love them. Their faithfulness
to their owners is immeasurable. If there's no heaven for humans,

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there must surely still be a heaven for dogs.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
They're brilliant.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
And that leads me to the second quote, which is
even more surprising in my mind. This from Queen Camilla,
who up to now I've kind of dismissed, but when
asked for her reaction to the death of British author
Jilly Cooper, the Queen of England had this to say,
I joined my husband the King in sending our thoughts

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and sympathies to all Jilly Cooper's family, and may hereafter
be filled with them. Possibly handsome men and devoted dogs. Jack,
can you imagine Queen Elizabeth ever officially mourning any woman
with the line made her hereafter be filled with impossibly

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handsome men and devoted dogs. The dogs, maybe not the men.
Queen Victoria surely wouldn't have any previous Queen of England
for that matter, I don't think would have made that comment.
Good on Queen Camilla, I say she's bringing Royalty into
the modern day. For centuries, I think ever since Eve,

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women have dreamed of a heaven filled with them possibly
handsome men. Finally Royalty has dared to mention it.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Jack Ah so good. Yeah, I saw that quote from
Camilla as well. I was, Ah, she's even seen out
on the official light. Yeah, Stationary.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Yeah, it's such a lovely release. Really, it's such a
breath of fresh air. Absolutely, the Royalty they can sort
of talk like the rest of us.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
So did you see how Jane Goodall released her final comments?

Speaker 5 (14:21):
No?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
So well, The key is that she didn't release her
final comments. So she'd done an interview and made some
comments with a kind of final message to the world.
But the instructions with these comments and with this interview
was that it wouldn't be released until her death, which
was a very interesting exercise, and one as well if
you're Jane Goodall were not not so well for others.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
But you know, isn't there some shows somewhere in Britain
or the United States where they interview all these people,
famous people, and and none of the interviews are released
until they die?

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
And the basis of it is you can say what
you're like because you'll be dead when this goes to air. Well,
you've got to hope it will be.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I mean, that's a great idea for a show. Idea
for a show, although I suppose it's very hard to
regularly schedule it, isn't it. You say, every Tuesday at
seven thirty on TV one, we're going to be watching
you know, messages from beyond.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Right, they'd have to be running it at the moment.
They've been running interviews that were that were filmed about
sort of the nineteen.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Eighty Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
They might be sort of some lean paces, wouldn't they. Yeah, Yes, yeah,
I thought it was. I thought it was quite a
nice idea, and how amazing. Jane Goodall loves dogs so much. Hey,
thank you so much. Kevin, have a great weekend and
we'll catch again very so and Kevin Milm with us
before ten o'clock. Scarlet Joe Hanson has just released a
new film. And I know what you're thinking. Our Scarlet
Johanson's in every second film these days. Well, the thing

(15:46):
about this film, the thing that makes it a bit different,
is that she's directing this film. It's her directoral debut.
It's called Eleanor the Great, So our film review has
been to see it. She's going to give us her
thoughts on that very shortly. Right now, it's twenty five
past nine. Our Sporto is a next on News Talks.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
EDB getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks Evy.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Harry's got some strong views Jack football. Hollywood's ought to
be an end of game like a red card immediately
and if you crowd the ref game over, call it off. Yeah, well,
I mean that's pretty extreme, but yeah, I mean I
certainly think a support some stronger sanctions Harry. And Harry says,
like Donald Trump puffing for a Nobel Peace Prize, it's
just not something you're supposed to do. So on the

(16:38):
Nobel Peace Prize thing. I've had a couple of texts
in saying, Jack, how dare you suggest that Donald Trump
shouldn't have got the Nobel Piece Prize. That's not what
I said, but you said it. After all, the Nobel
Peace Prize nominations closed in January. Need I remind you
that Donald Trump is very much the one who's been
pushing to get the Nobel Peace Prize this year. So

(16:58):
January thirty first would have been just a few days
after he took office as president. Did he do anything
in the twelve months prior to that to deserve the
Nobel Peace Prize? I'm not sure. He did say that
Ukraine that war would be ended in twenty four hours.
Obviously that's continuing anyway. So Donald Trump called the winner
of the Nobel Peace Prize, the Venezuelan opposition leader and

(17:20):
congratulated her, and she has publicly thanked him for his support.
But get this. In responding to the news about the
Nobel Peace Prize being awarded this morning, Vladimir Putin released
a video in which he said this award has lost credibility.
Donald Trump then posted the video of Vanamir Putin saying that,

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and said thank you to President Putin. These are fun,
I mean, just insane times in which we live, are
they not. I mean, if you'd written this as like
a TV comedy ten years ago, the editors would have
thrown it out and said, I'm sorry, this is too much. Anyway,
I'll get tomorrow your feedback. In a couple of minutes.
Our sporto here is here with us this morning. Andrews

(18:05):
savil Ki old, good mornings there, Jack.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
Yeah, we are living in another reality, aren't we Never
mentioned it is just bizarre.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Kind of bizarre. Yeah, anyway, Hey, what do you think
about footballers crowding the ren?

Speaker 7 (18:17):
I heard your comments. Look, it should have been stamped
out a long time ago. Football administration, starting at the
top with Fever, have allowed it to go on far
too long at all levels. And obviously, like a lot
of things, Jack with kids sport and a lot of
Pearans referee in the lower grades. But then you're talking
teenage grades and a little bit higher. What kids see

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on TV they tend to mimic, h or what they
see at the top they tend to mimic. So that
sort of stuff carries on in club play needs to
be needed to be stamped out years ago. And sometimes
you even see players not pushing referees, but getting very
close to touching them or very close to physically confronting them.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
So we've got a couple of TVs in the studio, right,
so we keep an eye on the global headliness on
the shows are going on. And I just switched it
over to Germany playing Switzerland and a Football World Cup qualifier.
The Germans are currently up four nil, so there's five
minutes ago, so you wouldn't expect that the result of
the game is in any question at this point. And

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one of the Swiss players has just been penalized and
you know, just just for a foul. There's not a
it's not an actual penalty, and he is, I reckon
his face was no more than fifteen centimeters away from
the ref just snarling at the rope like It's the
sort of behavior that would be totally unacceptable in an
office or anything like that. You never begin allowed to
get away. It would be an immediate h R complaint,

(19:43):
and yet it's just it's just kind of part and
part of the game. In fact, if we weren't talking
about it, I wouldn't have even noticed him doing it.

Speaker 7 (19:49):
You know, that's right there, the irony with the Swisses
of the normally neutral Yes anyway, hey NBC quarter final weekend.
Hey just just on that with how many times do
you see players crowd around rugby refrees, very very real.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
No they don't, yeah, because they know they get they
know they get penalized. I mean look at NFL, that's right,
which is you know, such a such a physical sport,
and yet if you if you swear in NFL, you
you risk being sent off.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yep, yep, and I know.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
You often see posts on social media from soccer or
football people saying this is how you treat a referee,
and often it's a rugby union clip.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Right anyway, anyway, White Ferns will we Oh sorry, it's
not Switzerland. I don't know why I said sorry. It's
because they're read well, they're not play in the Germans,
so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Same same thing but different.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
The White Funs have finally won a game at their
Cricket World Cup, which is good to see. They still
pretty much need they still pretty much need to win
every game remaining to be assured of making the semi finals.
It's a it's a good good format round robin, everyone
plays everyone else and then it goes into straight semi.
So yeah, went over Bangladesh. There's still some concerns act
that the top order just isn't firing. Yeah, two, twenty

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odd or fifty is not good enough at this level.
They really need the big three, Baits, Divine and merely
Kurda all fire at the same time. That hasn't really
happened yet so far at the tournament. Hopefully they'll run
into some kind of form over the over the next
week or two and the white fence and carry on
winning big games coming up against England and India.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, I hope they can a bit of momentum,
especially in that dominant performance last night. It was a
good thing. NBC quarter Final weekend, Otago, did you come
onto the Shield? Did you see? Did you see the
game last night? It was just I saw about twenty minutes.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yeah, twelve tries, seven of them were scored in the
second half. I mean again, it proves what sort of
quality of attacking football you can have under a roof
in Dunners.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
But I think that's a bad quality of defensive football
you can have.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
It was it was a bit like Harlem globe trotter
at all on stage.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
The Otago rapped by twelve to fourteen points, and I
thought game over. And then all of a sudden, Whitekata
has a bite back. I thought it was going to go.
I settled, settling in even more into the couch jack
because I thought it was going to go to extra time,
and then all of a sudden, Waitkato, with a thirty
seconds to play, boot the ball away down Otago's throat penalty. Eventually,

(22:20):
and young cam Miller, who I think was a bit
of a star for the national under twenty team a
few years back, played a bit for the Highlanders, had
a pretty good season with this rejuvenated Otago team. He
steps up from fifty odd meters on the angle, didn't
even hesitate stepping up, grabbing the ball, saying I'll kick this,
and he nailed at forty four to forty one. The
final result of that's if that's the way the rest

(22:42):
of the MPC Quarter of Finals is going to go.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Look out thriller, great stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah yeah, absolutely all right, enjoy games this afternoon and
the scening. We'll catch you again soon. That's our sport.
Andrew Savil, don't forget before ten o'clock. Our cookson who
recipe this week is an asparagus and cheddar for tata.
Sounds absolutely delicious. A little bit of a New Army
kind of thing in there as well. So she's going
to share that recipe with us very soon. We've got
your film picks for the weekend next right now, twenty

(23:06):
five to ten. That's nice. Say. It's Billy Martin. She's

(23:28):
from Yorkshire and she's heading to New Zealand Eary next
year for a special performance in Auckland. You might remember
in July our music reviewer brought Billy Martin to our attention.
Certainly for me it was the first time and she
gave her album dog Heed a ten out of ten.
She reckoned it was fantastic. I've listened to dog Ed
once or twice now too, I reckon it's amazing. So

(23:51):
really really exciting to have Billy Martin coming to New
Zealand very soon. Hey, thank you for your feedback, Jack.
Regarding football, getting up as close as they do is
not acceptable in any circumstances. To me, it gives other
generations permission to behave in the same way. I absolutely
loathe it. Yeah, this is the thing I think about
the most popular leagues in the world, and whether it's

(24:11):
international football or whether it's the English Premier League or
La Liga or whatever, you see it all across those
big leagues jam and even though referees do have apparently
sufficient scope to penalize players for descent, very rarely do
they actually do it. Jack red, card them straight away,

(24:31):
get them off. As far as I'm concerned, I wonder
if anyone disagrees with me, If anyone thinks that actually
it's good that players can get up in referee faces,
I would like to hear an argument for it. Ninety
two ninety two is our text number if you want
to get in touch. This morning. Francesca Rudkin, our film reviewer,
has two interesting sounding films for us this week. She's
with us now, good morning.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Good morning. Hey.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Let's begin with Scarlett Johansson's directorial debut. This is Eleanor
the Great.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I'm ninety four years old and I'm moving to Manhattan
for the first time today.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
That my condolences.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
What am I going to do here all day?

Speaker 8 (25:12):
Along?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Okay, that's Eleanor the Great? Tell us about it, Francisca, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (25:20):
So I don't think it's a huge surprise that Skeleton
Hanson has decided to go behind the camera. I mean,
she has been she grew up on film, since she's
been on them since she was a kid, and it's
lovely to see her kind of heading in a different
direction and new direction, because I think she's got a
lot to offer and she's picked a really interesting story here.
I think she's done some very good casting with June's

(25:42):
Squib who plays Elanor. And Eleanor is ninety four and
June Squib was ninety four when she signed on to
make this film.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And she lives in.

Speaker 9 (25:53):
Florida with her best friend Bessie played by Rita's Oha,
and they have been friends for about seven decades and
when their husbands died quite a while ago, they ended
up living together and they literally so cute. They literally
share a room together. They've got their single beds, and
they share their lives and they've sort of managed to
fill the grief of losing their partners by, you know,

(26:15):
this wonderful friendship that they have. And then Bessie passes away,
which just leaves this huge hole in Eleanor's life. And
this is very much a film about grief and loneliness,
and her daughter moves her to New York to be
nearer to her and her grandson. And when she gets there,
she befriends this young college student called Nina played by

(26:37):
Erin Kellyman, who was also really lovely in this role.
And she's a young girl, she's mostly been at boarding school.
She's come back to be with her father. Her mother
passed away recently, and she also is really struggling with
that loss. And so this is kind of one of
those interage friendship stories, and the two of them kind
of get together. Anne Law is fabulous. She is a

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very sassy, slightly acerbic New Yorker. She even at ninety four,
doesn't pretend to be anyone than who she really is.
And Nina's very kind of quite a lost young woman.
And they build this beautiful friendship and it's lovely watching
them kind of go out into the streets of New
York and and sort of, you know, had this time
together and things. But the relationship Jack is built on

(27:18):
this terrible lie. And this is where maybe the premis
gets a little bit shaky for me.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Eleanor.

Speaker 9 (27:24):
Yeah, so Eleanor accidentally ends up in a group at
the local sit of Jewish Center where she thinks she's
going to do a singing class or something, and she
ends up in this group of Holocaust survivors and Bessie
was a Holocaust survivor, and she finds herself sharing Bessie's
story but passing it off as her own, and so

(27:46):
a lot of these new relationships that she builds. This
is where she also meets Nina. She's a student wanting
to do a story on this, and so a lot
of these new relationships that she's found in New York
is based on this really terrible life. And I'm just
not sure if in twenty twenty five, I believe that
somebody would do that and would situate the lie as
long as that So it gets a little bit mess
see but look beautiful performance by Jones Squibb. I think

(28:12):
it's it's a it's a lovely reminder that actually none
of us are perfect, and that life is not necessarily
easier or more clear cut as we age, we still
make make mistakes and things. So it's a really ambitious
little data.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I think.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
I think some of it's really loving and really promising.
Just I just was found the premise is a little problematic.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Fair enough, Okay. That's Eleanor the Great directed by Scarlett Johansson.
So that showing at the movies right now. Our next
film is showing on Apple TV Plus. This is The
Lost Bus.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
It's another dry and windy day and Paradise.

Speaker 10 (28:46):
He's the old drivers or the situation avolving ponder rosa elementary.

Speaker 11 (28:52):
There are twenty three years a friend.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Is there anybody in the area? I can?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Okay. This has got some big names in it too,
Matthew McConaughey and America Farreira in The Lost Bus.

Speaker 9 (29:09):
Okay, so this is not a relaxing night in. This
is screening on Apple Plus.

Speaker 10 (29:13):
This is based on the truth story. You warning, Yeah,
this is based.

Speaker 9 (29:17):
On the true story of the twenty eighteen campfire. Is
the deadliest wildfire in Californian history. Eighty five people died.
Pacific Gas and Electric ended up playing about thirteen point
five billion in compensation took responsibility for the spar Kevin
McKay played by baccana. He is this guy who's returned
home to Paradise. He's looking after his mother. He's got

(29:38):
his fifteen year old son with him, who hates him.
He's really struggling to make ends meet, and this fire starts,
it's heading in a different direction, suddenly turns back the paradise,
and he has given this, he has given this up.
She's the only He's a school bus driver and he
is the only bus in the area where there are
twenty four kids who need to be picked up.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
And he has to make the decision going do.

Speaker 9 (29:57):
I go and save my son and my mum or
do I go and save these kids? And he goes
and saves these kids and ends up with Mary, this
teacher played by American Pharah, and the two of them
have to battle their way through the fire. It is terrifying.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
It is absolutely terrifying.

Speaker 9 (30:11):
Paul green Gas is an absolutely amazing job yet of
putting us in the middle of this fire. It is
so traumatic, but it is just a gorgeous story of
ordinary people doing a courageous thing.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
So well, we to watch.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Okay, cool. So that's the Lost Bus that's on Apple TV.
Plus Francesca's first film. The one director by Scarlett Johansson
is Eleanor the Great that's on at the movies and
both of those films, and all the details for those
films will be up at the news talks EDB website
and so no. The Intrepid British and Irish Film Festival
is back for its third edition. It's going to be
screening across the country from the twenty ninth of October

(30:45):
through to November nineteenth, and it's got an incredible lineup
of titles. Heaps of star power films featuring the likes
of Emma Thompson, Bill Nigh, Ralph Fines, so heaps of
really really interesting films. We've got tickets up for grabs.
So to be in the drawer for a double pass
to the Intrepid British and Irish Film Festival, go to
news talks 'b dot co dot nz slash.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Win Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going
through the weekend. Us talks ed be.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Thirteen minutes to ten on news talks ed be. If
you're looking for a creative little recipe, something season or
something delicious, snicky wax, our cook has the recipe for
you this week and she's with us now killed again.

Speaker 10 (31:29):
Good morning, good morning. Yes, it is the It is
the time for those beautiful green spears.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I love the spar Yes, yes, I love them.

Speaker 12 (31:39):
Are you a fan or.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Do you know what?

Speaker 10 (31:43):
I think?

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I've said this before when I was growing up my parents,
who are amazing each of them are amazing cooks. But
in my earlier years, I think that the way that
they made asparagus the sort of I don't think they
boiled it, but it sort of had a slightly stewed
quality when we heed it our place, and you'd you'd
be killing it and be like you'd be pulling the
individual strings of it, kind of flossing with its days

(32:06):
there afterwards. And so but then when I was about,
do you know what, I actually have this this kind
of seminal asparagus memory. I remember, for the first time
in my life having had asparagus that had just been
very very quickly roasted in butter. And I remember eating
it and being like, oh my god, that is not
how I've been eating asparagus. And I can remember where

(32:28):
I was. I can remember where I was sitting at
the table when I ate it. It was so delicious,
you know that is the moment?

Speaker 10 (32:33):
Was that in New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
It was it was actually I was I was staying
with a friend's grandma and Charleston on the south West coast.
I literally remember where I was sitting at the table.

Speaker 10 (32:44):
Great, I love it. I mean my life is full
of those food memories because you know, you do associate
them with where you were and who you were with
or whatever. Yeah, well that is the way to cook
them is not to murder them. They do go stringy.
And also your parents might have been I wonder if
they were also trying to save a bit of money.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think they probably were. And to be fair to
my parents, they have the way they cook asparagus now
as much come along closer to the.

Speaker 10 (33:08):
Line, that's right. I mean that was back in the
days when we also cooked avacada.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
We can forget it all right now.

Speaker 10 (33:13):
Look, I think asparagus goes really well with eggs, So
you'll often find sort of a nice poached egg, which
is not my stick at all on an asparagus. But
I've put it in a fratata here because I like
my eggs kind of a bit more cooked, as it were.
I think asparagus goes really well with fish. So it's
so grassy and light and kind of you know, I

(33:35):
don't know, it's just it's earthy, you know. But it
also is very gentle in some ways as well, so
you know it can be good with those sorts of things.
With butter, it's great as well. Make a niseeoise salad,
but put instead of green beans, you can use asparagus.
But look, here's this fratata, so dead easy ovan on
because I'm going to cook it on top of the
stove and then I'm going to throw it in the oven.
This fratata, you'll need a nice big pan, maybe twenty

(33:58):
six centimeters. We're using five eggs, five large eggs, so
this is easy going to feed sort of four to
six maybe even more people. Heat a good slot. I
use a total of about a quarter of a cup
of olive oil in this recipe. Heat half of that
in a pan and throw in a thinly sliced onion,
and you want to really cook that until it's beautiful

(34:19):
and kind of soft. You don't necessarily need to get
lots of color on it. I'm using two big potatoes
in here. This is definitely the way the Spanish do it,
so they'll put potato in a frittata, and I instead
of cook pre cooking the potatoes instead, I just peel
them and then I either slice them really thinly. I'm
not talking about by hand. I'm probably talking about with

(34:40):
a mandolip or. I chopped them roughly and put them
in a food processor and you polse it until they're
kind of chopped into tiny, little pea sized pieces. They
haven't gone to mush, but they are really small. Because
we want these to cook in the egg. Whisk five
eggs into a big old bowl, Throw in some rosemy
about two tablespoons of fresh rose brief you've got it.

(35:01):
Good teaspoon of sea salt and quarter of a teaspoon
of cracked pepper, so lots of sea in here. And
then add your potatoes into that and toss them really well.
For each tiny little piece of that potato is getting
beautifully surrounded in the egg.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Add in your.

Speaker 10 (35:16):
Softened onions from the pan, stir all that up to combine,
and then heat the rest of the oil in the
back in that pan, and then pour in that beautiful mixture.
Reduce the heaterd bit hea Jack. You don't want to
split the eggs, so reduce the heat to about, you know,
sort of low to medium I suppose for about ten minutes,
and it'll start to just cook around the edges and

(35:36):
then lay your asparagus. You can chop it off if
you like, but I kind of visual appeal of putting
the long speares all across the pan. It's just beautiful,
nice big half a cup of hated cheddar use a
really good New Zealand one. I'm talking maybe Carpety. They've
got a good age cheddar berries Bay something like that.
And then so put that on the tobaco for about

(35:57):
twenty twenty five minutes. It'll be set in the middle,
rest it for ten minutes, and then cut it up
into lovely big weages and serve it hot or at
room temperature. It's fantastic with maybe a chutney, maybe a
little salad on the side. But it's absolutely exquisite and
really highlights that asparagus. Yeah, it's great, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah. So how's the balance between the asparagus and the
chetah because the specially yeah, yeah, there's a yeah.

Speaker 10 (36:21):
Because it's nice and sharp, you know, cheer good. A
good age cheta is nice and sharp, and as I say, asparagus,
once cooked, kind of brings up a flavor. It's sort
of whole. I don't know, it's just weird. It holds
its own I always think of it. It's a little
bit like white bait. It holds its own even though
it's a delicate flavor, and I think sort of asparagus
is a little bit like that as well. You wouldn't

(36:41):
say that it's rich, so you can put it with
rich ingredients. You know, eggs are rich, butter is rich.
Potatoes are kind of clunky in their own way, kind
of big flavor.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, so no, it's beautiful.

Speaker 10 (36:51):
It's really lovely and nice little lunch or dinner or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So yeah, pretty good. Okay, Hey there you NICKI have
a great weekend. We'll make sure that asparagus and cheddar
Forratata recipe is up on the News talks'b website. Everything
from our show goes up there. It's really easy. You
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News Talks he'd be dot co dot nz Ford slash
Jack has everything from our show, so you'd be able

(37:16):
to find all of Nikki's recipes, including that delicious asparagus
and cheddar for retarta. Right now, it is seven minutes
to ten.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you need to
Know Saturday morning with Jack team the newth Talks.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
That'd been so many messages.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
No one is arguing, Not a single person is arguing
to allow football players to continue crowding the ref this morning, Jack,
I think they should have a rule in football whereby
players who are involved in the challenge and the captain
can go up and argue their case to the ref,
as opposed to the whole team all rushing up and
acting dramatically and that way, it might mean that they

(37:55):
can only really do it when there's real cause, when
there's a real case to try and argue. I agree
with you on this one. Thank you for that and Jack. Technically,
the Nobel Peace Prize period for twenty twenty five is
for actions in the period up to January thirty first,
twenty twenty five. So I've had lots of messages saying
that I'm being mean to Donald Trump about not getting
the Nobel Peace Prize. But for all of those people

(38:16):
who are texting me the dates for eligibility for the
Nobel Peace Prize, might I remind you that it's Donald
Trump who's upset about not getting it right. So for
those of you who are saying, well, they couldn't have
got it. He wasn't in office. Tell Donald Trump there,
because the White House has come out this morning and
said that it's a disgrace that he hasn't been acknowledged.
They say the Nobel Committee has put politics over peace. Anyway,

(38:39):
I'll get to borrow you feedback after ten o'clock our
feature interview, performing live in studio as well. Can we
muse Oh? Sam Cullen is here with us. It's always
ten o'clock. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning. This is
news Dog Zedvy.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Lui Team News Talk, Zippy.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Alone John.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
That is Kiwi muso. Sam Cullen just twenty five. He
has played the main stage with him and Binnes two
of the country on Some of Our Coolest Stages. Has
been working quietly behind the scenes to produce his debut album.
Sam Cullen's debut album is called Sam Cullen. It comes
out very soon. He's here with us this morning for
a bit of a chat, a bit of a cord

(39:55):
itdle and a bit of a whiter as well. Kildo,
good morning, Thanks having Oh, that's so good to see you,
and thank you for coming in person. Of course, So
so for any of our listeners for whom that was
the first Sam Cullen they've heard, I mean, first of all,
where have they been? But give us a little bit
of your story. You are from the Deep South.

Speaker 13 (40:12):
Yeah, I'm from a Viicrgo, born and bread and starting
in Wellington. I live in Auckland now. Have done music
my whole life. It's kind of all I know how
to do.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
How'd you get into it?

Speaker 13 (40:22):
I picked up a guitar at like seven, Mom and
dad guitar for Christmas, and I'd had a babysitter and
a school teacher that played music and class and stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, and that was your first instrument.

Speaker 13 (40:33):
Yeah, that was my first instrument, kind of my own instrument.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Well, but that's probably a good thing, right. So mom
and dad like because they didn't do the violin route,
they mercifully avoided the recorder.

Speaker 13 (40:44):
No, I did recorder. Oh okay, okay, yeah, I got
mum's through how on Saturday mornings doing a recorder a year.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Record is a useful way to learn to read music.

Speaker 13 (40:52):
Oh yeah, but it's not useful for much.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It's useful for driving the rest of the household completely
out there exactly. Yeah, So talk to us a little
bit about the process for this album. You've released a
couple of EPs, but you've been working on this process
for all we were.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Yeah, Like some of the.

Speaker 13 (41:09):
Songs on the album are probably five or six years old.
It's kind of been less of I'm gonna sit down
and write an album, but the last five years of
my life, these are like the best songs that I've
written and aren't released yet. Nice. So it's kind of
the theme through of like coming of age at injuring
adulthood and all that sort of stuff. So I'm pretty

(41:30):
proud of it. I'm excited to have it out.

Speaker 6 (41:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Nice. You're a rock Quest kid.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
I am.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (41:35):
Twenty eighteen was the first time I'd ever been in
Oakland for the National Final Rockquest.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (41:40):
How was that?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
It was good?

Speaker 13 (41:42):
It was really good. I'd done a rock Quest for
like five years leading up to that, so it was
in my last year high school. Nice to finally get
to the to that point.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
How reflecting on what that kind of process is like
and the fact that you can go in every year,
you can get notes on your performances and the kind
of music you're writing about. How valuable as rock quest
isn't institution.

Speaker 13 (42:07):
In your view, Like totally, I don't think I would
have had as much passion for making my own music, yeah,
as I did at that age, because it, like you know,
it obviously gives you a goal to work towards. But
also saying that your peers do the same thing in
your region or your area is quite inspiring as well. Yeah,

(42:28):
so we're super lucky to have them, Like, it's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And this is not a slant on Invocado at all.
We've been speaking off here and you know that I
have a real fondness for the deeps out, But I
mean that the truth is, when you're growing up in
a medium sized city, I can imagine that the opportunities
to go and play, to be exposed to different forms
of music and other musical communities can be a bit limited.

Speaker 13 (42:51):
Yeah, totally. I was pretty lucky though in that I
started playing in rugby clubs and pubs when I was
quite young, and you can't really you can get away
with that in regional New Zealand, but perhaps not so
much in the Vegas City. Well, I mean like I
was the first time I played in a pub, I
was like fift a case. Yeah, yeah, but so long

(43:13):
as you went drinking, No, no, absolutely not, but so
that and that and that respect like it was really good,
but you're totally right and you kind of got to
leave the But so.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
You're saying that the kind of benefit from being in
that community is that you can have live opportunities before
exactly perform live that you might not otherwise have a few.

Speaker 13 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
You have been performing live quite a bit over the
last few years as well. Do you usually play with
a band? Right?

Speaker 13 (43:44):
I do, Yeah, I do, Yeah, I got there's four
or five of us, depending on again.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So how has that factored into the album a lot.

Speaker 13 (43:52):
Because it's I've got a band selene on for their
own instruments, you know, like I can't play the drums
at all, so like my drama, I get my druma
to play the drums on the records, and then like
I kind of writing the songs a lot of bit
and thinking about the live show, but more now that
there's a band as well, which has been fun. How so, well,

(44:13):
I guess when you're putting a live set together, you
want kind of ebbs and flows, but some of the
songs have like longer outros where alive it really works
super well because you can let the guitar solo have
a take.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
As long as you are exactly yea, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 13 (44:30):
And some of the songs you're writing them in it's
like this is going to work really good live.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
You know you're right, But but are the disciplines different,
Like do you think of them as distinct things? Yep, totally.

Speaker 13 (44:40):
Some of the songs I pull apart a bit more
than they are and as they recorded versions, Yeah, you
might extend them or short and different bits, blend a
couple of songs together so you're not stuffing and being
like here's the next song.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you see that. It's been written
over five years. It's been a bit of a coming age,
coming of age kind of period. Early twenties is kind
of a kind of a golden time. But so do
you see a kind of three through the through the songs, Yeah, totally.

Speaker 13 (45:07):
I studied in Wellington after I left schol as well
for three years, so a lot of the songs came
from that period of my life where I met a
lot of my best friends and met my partner. Yeah,
things like that. So there's a order uni days in
this album.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, but in a good way. Yeah yeah, yeah,
well they reckon. It's the music you listen to when
you're like twenty two, that you'll listen to for the
rest of your life.

Speaker 13 (45:30):
So that's kind of what I'm feeling now, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, you've just played Going Global too, right.

Speaker 13 (45:36):
Yes, So what is it? It's a showcase run by
the Music Commission and Independent Music New Zealand where they
invite like international music industry over to do panel talks
for two days and they put on two nights of
gigs at Wami Bar. I'm can I a happy road?
Great and yeah we're like enough to perform and go

(45:59):
along to the showcases.

Speaker 14 (46:01):
Nice of that.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
So the idea is that you kind of you learn
a bit from the professionals coming in from overseas, but
you also hopefully have an opportunity to say you good
to a bit.

Speaker 13 (46:10):
Yeah, it's kind of it is like a Arts and
Crafts kind of.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Sure in a good way.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Once the album is released November seven, you guys give
me touring yep.

Speaker 13 (46:19):
Yeah, we turn the country which would be fun. There's
six six dates so far, up and down from right
from a Vicago all the way to the Auckland.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (46:29):
Excited to get back on the road.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
So good. All right, Well you're going to perform for
us this morning, so I will let you get yourself sorted.
Sam has brought his guitar and fantastic. We had a
bit of a sound check, so I will let you
introduce it.

Speaker 15 (46:43):
Sam.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
This is Sam Color and thank you so much.

Speaker 16 (46:46):
Thanks, Jack, appreciate it, Thanks for time. Let's called that
Somebody's you cheers. We love songs on the queer when
you're scared, the true and the truth is you need
somebody And maybe that's on, but it is you. Well,

(47:09):
I was standing on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, I'm just the.

Speaker 16 (47:12):
Water boy and maybe trying to buy time it suspectator sport.
Even if I could, I know that I would not
try to change it.

Speaker 17 (47:21):
Sing my own word, standing me.

Speaker 16 (47:25):
Throw it all the way and have another drink here
and taking another day, seeing your eyes on my fears
beyond this rampart and more. But it's hard to believe
when it's cold outside, hard to believe it. To get excited,
Colt it go but what I want.

Speaker 17 (47:46):
It wears me out, It'll wear you out, but don't
stop fighting all him or let a Friday I get
you down and the anger. Finding your passion, baby, that's
just finding yourself and love song ones who make cute

(48:07):
of its when you're scared of the truth. The truth
says you want somebody maf it that's somebody has you.
Can I find the language swallowing my pride every time
we manifest, I recon I'm a love too much bid

(48:28):
in this sanday Stelia. I think I'll either country.

Speaker 16 (48:33):
Well, you can have it your way.

Speaker 17 (48:35):
This happens every time down in the heartland. Yeah, the
boys are doing fine.

Speaker 16 (48:40):
Every night out and next morning spent on the fence.

Speaker 17 (48:46):
Yes, it's hard to believe when it's cold outside, hard
to believe to get excited, coltic covid of them.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
It wears me out.

Speaker 17 (48:58):
It'll wear you out, but don't stop fighting him. Order
the friday, get you down in the anger, Finding your passion, baby,
that's just finding yourself and love songs who make cuted
it when you're scared of the truth, and the truth

(49:23):
says you want somebody heavy That songbody has you. M
no glover the fire.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I need something old.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Blame me a song I like, but I like.

Speaker 16 (49:49):
Oh, I've been losing my face. I've been bloodied in
the fight, and I want to find home at DMD
of the night to see this.

Speaker 17 (50:06):
Uh, you forget my desire. It's so stupid when the
so much time.

Speaker 16 (50:11):
Man, claim me a love song, claim me that sound,
baby gold easy, turn this around.

Speaker 13 (50:18):
It's in my heart tonight. I got a hold on
this tongue.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
It's wear it up.

Speaker 17 (50:25):
Don't stop fighting, Dan, go let a Friday. I get
you down in the anger, finding your passion. Baby, that's
just finding yourself and love songs will make youndard when.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
You're scared of the truth.

Speaker 17 (50:46):
And the truth is you want somebody me that songbody
has you.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Ah, so good. Thank you so much, Sam, congratulations that
was amazing. Yeah, thank you, thank you. We really really
appreciate that. Sam Cullen. His debut album Sam Cullen self
titled This is out on November seven. We'll hit all
the details on Newstorks. He'd be website now before t
before eleven o'clock on Newstalks, he'd be we're in the
garden with the things you need to do now to

(51:29):
beat codling moth on apples at your place. If you've
got an apple tree, you'll know what a pain it is.
But our man in the garden has all his tips
on trying to thwart codling moth at your place. As
well as that, we'll catch up with our textburts and
berg changes coming to chat GPT that he will explain,
and next up it's our screen time segment including the
Celebrity Traitors UK, which I know has had a lot

(51:51):
of hype I think quite reasonably as well, and a
new documentary series with Victoria Beckham nineteen past ten on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
He'db no your weekend of the Right Way. Saturday Morning
with Jack daim News talks ah.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Bit of debate, bit of controversy on the text machine
this morning, Jack, that sounds like a young Johnny Cash,
says Simon Mark Brown. Well. Steve doesn't agree. Steve says
he sounds like a bit of a Neil Diamond. This
guy's good, says Steve Well another text he's brilliant, sounds
like a Bruce Springsteen. So we've got a cross between
Bruce Springsteen, young Johnny Cash and Neil Diamond.

Speaker 6 (52:27):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
James fit us to note as well, to say, Sam
is great, Jack absolutely loving this this morning, and Lee
says Jack, I really enjoyed that song, really enjoyed it.
I'm sitting at the train station carpety having a good listen,
soaking it up. Fantastic. Thanks Le ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send a semesterage jacket news to talk,
we see b dot co dot and said Sam Cullen
is the young Johnny Cash slash Bruce Springsteen slash Neil Diamond.

(52:52):
There you go. It's time to catch up with our
screen time. The expert Tara Ward has the tough job
of picking out three shows for watching or streaming to
recommend to us all every week.

Speaker 12 (53:02):
Hey, hey don't Tara, good morning and well thanks Jack,
very good.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Hey you got some absolutely cracking shows for us, so
let's kick things off. Were the latest one streaming on
Netflix a new three part documentary series about Victoria Beckham.

Speaker 12 (53:18):
Yeah, this is a new doco about Victoria Beckham, former
spice girl, married to footballer David Beckham and now successful
fashion designer. And a couple of years ago, David Beckham
released a really great Netflix documentary series about his life
and I came to this series expecting a similar kind
of approach, that it would be a nostalgia look back

(53:39):
at what is an extraordinary life in the public eye,
being in the biggest pop band of the nineties, marrying
one of the world's most famous footballers, and becoming extremely
influential in pop culture. But that's not what this documentary
series is. This is more about Victoria Beckham, the fashion designer.
It's filmed around the launch of her fashion show dur

(53:59):
in Paris Fashion Week, and it focuses on how Victoria
Beckham launched her own business and the struggles around that
for the last fifteen years, and it struck me as
being a very polished and controlled piece of television. She's
not looking back, she's looking forward and saying I want
to be taken seriously as a designer in my own right.
It does dip into her life as a pop star

(54:21):
a bit and touches on some of the awful treatment
that she suffered in the media over the years, but
it doesn't go into any real depth. People like Anna
Wintour and Tom Ford and even Longoria are in this.
They speak very highly about her, who work ethic is
mentioned a lot it's still an interesting watch. There's a
lot of behind the scenes footage, which I love, But

(54:42):
to me this felt more about brand Beckham than kind
of doing a deep dive into the nostalgic past.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, okay, and look still interesting enough. I mean she's
a absolute character, yes, controlled I'm not surprised to hear that.
So that's Victoria Beckham that's on Netflix on three now.
Tell us about Film Club.

Speaker 12 (55:02):
This is quite a sweet, understated British rom com that
was created by and stars Amy lou Wood, who most
recently starred in The White Lotus. And she plays a
young woman ev who is an agoraphobic. And Evie hasn't
really left the house in six months. She lives at
home in Manchester with her mum and her sister. But
Evie loves movies and every Friday night she transforms her garage.

(55:24):
She has a film club in there and invites her
friends over. And this is a rom comb all that's
a bit of a family drama as well. So when
one of Evie's friends, Noah, announces that he's moving away,
she starts to wonder whether there's more to their relationship.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Than just being friends.

Speaker 12 (55:40):
A great cast in this. Saran Jones plays Evie's mum,
and Owen Cooper, who played the young boy Jamie and
Adolescence he's in this as well. And it is promoted
as a comedy, but it's not really one of those
laugh out loud kind of comedies.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
It's sort of underplayed.

Speaker 12 (55:53):
It's more of a drama, I think, but very sweet
and warm and a very easy watch.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Oh nice, Okay, that's Film Club. It's on three now.
Also on three now, the Celebrity Traitors UK has just started.

Speaker 12 (56:05):
Yeah, I've been waiting for that one. This is the
celebrity version of The Traders UK. And if you haven't
seen The Traders yet, it's a fantastic reality series that's
gone all around the world, including here in New Zealand.
The Traders takes a group of people. It's like a
parlor game of murder mystery. There are secret Traders that
have to murder the other contestants without being discovered, while

(56:25):
the other contestants have to work out who among them
are the Traders. And I think the British make the
best international version of The Traders. And now they've done
a celebrity version which has just started on three now
and sometimes when you get a celebrity version of a show,
the names can be a bit dubious. But they have
pulled in some big names for this one, and I
think that speaks to the love that people have for

(56:46):
The Traders UK. Stephen Fry is in this, the wonderful
Alan Carr, actors like Celia Imriy, Jonathan Ross. The TV
present out lots of British comedians and actors. It's a
really intriguing bunch of celebrities and the challenge here, I
think will be is that these are very successful people
who are perhaps not used to being thrown into situations
that they're not in charge of, and essentially they are

(57:10):
raising money for charity. But The Traders a theater. It's
melodrama and it's a lot of fun. It's about the
psychology of how people behave and how persuasive you are
and can you really be a good liar and how
far will you take it? So don't be put off
by this being a reality show. It's really intriguing and
it's funny and I think the British just do this
so well.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Absolutely love it. Thank you Tara. So that's the Celebrity
Traders K It's just started on three It's on three
Now as well. Also on three Now. Film Club is
that British romantic comedy, and Victoria Beckham is on Netflix.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks'ble Lover.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Cut.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Jeff Tweety is frontman of American rock band Wilco. He
helped pioneer alternative country music in the late eighties and
the early nineties, kind of fusing punk energy with country roots.
He's now got over twenty studio albums if you include
his work with Willco, his solo project, and all of
his collaborations. And on his latest release, Jeff has worked

(58:45):
with his two sons. It is a big one, a
real whopper. They've created thirty tracks over three discs. The
album is called Twilight Override. Our music reviewer is absolutely
loving it and is going to share us share with
us a couple of tracks before midday today be fourteen o'clock.
I was moaning about football players way in which they

(59:07):
all complain to the ref the moment the whistle is blown,
everyone always rushes up to the ref and the sort
of histrionics and drama we are yet to find a
good argument for keeping the rules as it is. I
think they should crack down and it Wayne has took
me a note to point out that in netball the
only person allowed to speak with an umpire is the
team captain and all they can do is ask a
question and seek clarification.

Speaker 18 (59:28):
Of a rule.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
That's it. He reckons it should be the same for
all sports, so thanks for that way. Ninety two ninety
two is our text number if you want to send
us a message this morning before eleven o'clock tips on
trying to thwart the coddling moth at your place. But
our Textbert is in next with some big news from
chat GPT.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking.

Speaker 19 (59:50):
Breakfast, Hagi, what chance that this is over? There is
peace in the Middle East and you and I, for
the rest of our lives will never talk about conflict
in your part of the world ever Again.

Speaker 20 (01:00:00):
I would say almost none. Unfortunately, even if this agreement
is completely successful ending the war in the genocide and Gaza,
then we will have quiet around Gaza, and without any
substantial changes of that reality, without justice and liberations for
Palestinians across the land, we will just be back where

(01:00:22):
we started and there will be renewed violence in the future.

Speaker 19 (01:00:25):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Asking, Breakfast with
the land Driver, Defend and us Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Twenty five to eleven on news Talk ZEDB. Apps are
coming to chet GPT. I know that seems confusing because
if you're like me, you might have chet GPT as
an app. But basically they're turning from chet gbt just
being a tool into a platform. I know this is
all kind of jargony stuff. That's why our Textbert paulstine
House is here to explain exactly what this means. In Paul,

(01:00:54):
this is a big change.

Speaker 21 (01:00:56):
Yeah, this is a big change because it is showing
that chet GPT is trying to be so much more right.
It is trying to be a platform. It is trying
to be x experience. I don't know how else to
describe it, Jack, but it wants to be the thing
that you used to do everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yes, basically, I think that's the way to talk about it,
and it's going to be it's like the portal through
which you access the rest of the Internet. Think about
it like that, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:01:21):
And exactly.

Speaker 21 (01:01:22):
So we started out with directories like Yahoo remember those yeah,
where you like it literally was like the Yellow Pages,
and then we went into search with Google.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 21 (01:01:32):
And now this is sort of, yeah, the next big
leap where it all gets merged together. So you can
imagine a time when put on your put on your
imagination for a second. You're looking for a playlist, right,
so instead of just chat GPT giving you a random
list of songs and then you have to go into
your app and find them all. If it's got these
apps inside of chat GPT, you can ask Spotify, say

(01:01:55):
to create you a playlist for you that's good for
a run. Or you can say, I'm going to Paris
booking dot com app and I want you to give
me some results and I only want to spend this much,
and what the hotel would be here in the city
and blah blah blah blah blah. Basically, you can use
it to browse the Internet and do things for you. Yeah, now,

(01:02:17):
of course browse the internet not wide I I mean
it can browse the open browse.

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
The internet like that.

Speaker 21 (01:02:22):
But these specialist apps will mean you can do specialist things.
So it's worth pointing out that there are only limited
ones at the moment that are.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
Being in this sort of launch phase.

Speaker 21 (01:02:32):
They say more of them are coming later this year,
including in the US. The big retailer Target is also
a restaurant booking app over here called open Table. You
can be finding a restaurant for Jack and if we
go for dinner, be great, wouldn't it? And Uber so
you could even say like, hey, you know, if it's
Uber Eats or something, you're like, hey, I want Indian tonight,

(01:02:53):
Like find me the best Indian around and it will
just do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
I mean, so it seems to me, be your personal assistant,
that this is going to be Yes, it seems to
me like that there's a couple of really important dimensions here.
First of all, from a user experience, I can see
how this would be extremely convenient, right, Like if you
said that to use your holiday example, I only go
on holiday here, I only want to spend this much,

(01:03:15):
and like make me an itinery and say yes, I
like that, book it and it does it. I can
see how that's extremely convenient. Presumably, the trade off is
that you have to is that your data is being
shared with these big other companies as well. So if
it's booking dot Com, that is integrated into chat GPT,
then all of Paul Stenhouse's preferences are being feed into

(01:03:38):
Booking dot Com, so that Booking dot Com then knows
it about you as well. And then can I throw
one of the conspiracy to how do we know that?
If you say to chat GPT, what is the best
way to book a trip? Then instead of just giving
you the best way to book a trip based on
your preferences, it doesn't immediately say why Paul, you should

(01:04:00):
use Booking.

Speaker 21 (01:04:00):
Dot com, h exactly and you know what ads are
coming to yeah GPT right like by figuring out how
that's going to be. And that's I mean, that's the
Google Search model we started out by just you know,
you think, go back to those examples they gave. You
have a directory, you want to be the promoted one
in the directory, you pay a bit more in you're
at the top Google Search exactly the same. You want

(01:04:20):
to get the keyword, you get to the top. I
can imagine it's going to be exactly the same. Now
you do have to invoke this thing, so you have
to say, like, hey Booking dot Com do this thing,
or hey Expedia do this thing. And if you look
at their launch partners.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
They have got a couple of them.

Speaker 21 (01:04:35):
It will be interesting to you to your original point
of how much data does get sent, whether it's just
the data in that chat that you were having at
that time, and when you invoke Booking dot Com, say,
but they also have just integrated the ability to pay
as well with the chat GPT, so you could go
through the whole experience, say using Booking dot Com and

(01:04:58):
you've never gone through Booking dot com website, You've never
done anything on your phone. You have searched for it all,
you've browsed it, or you've selected your hotel, you pay
for it everything. The only thing you're getting probably is
your itinerary email to you and that's the only interaction
you really have with them outside of CHET GPT.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Crazy, it's gonna be so interesting.

Speaker 21 (01:05:16):
But it's interesting. It's interesting looking to it. The types
of companies that they've done for these launch partners. A
lot of travel in there, and a lot of personal
assistant type things like a lot of food, a lot
of reservations, a lot of you know that that type
of stuff, that kind of personal assistant type.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yeah, right, I read one other crazy little fact with
CHET GPT this week. So at the moment, the company
says that it's being held back from expanding as quickly
as it wants because it simply can't get enough computing power. Right,
So it's got lots of ideas for different ways to
use their technology and to integrate it into different things
and to launch different products, but they just can't get

(01:05:51):
enough computing technology and computing grunt. So they are doing
this massive expansion. They're spending a trillion dollars, that's right,
a trillion dollars, one thousand billion US dollars and building
all of these data centers and buying these readable computing chips.
But someone did the maths right on how much electricity

(01:06:11):
you would need in order to power all of the
different data centers that they're going to purchase with one
trillion dollars, Apparently, just to keep the lights on and
to power the computers, they're going to need at least
eight nuclear reactors. Like it is just crazy how hungry

(01:06:32):
these things are. So yeah, it is going to be Hey,
do you want to know something else interesting?

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Please?

Speaker 21 (01:06:36):
Can they can move markets? So they announced this week
that they were going to be looking at potentially buying
AMD or.

Speaker 14 (01:06:41):
There was some speculation I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Think they're going to be buying Aim, which is which
is a chip manufacturer.

Speaker 21 (01:06:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And stock went up instantly thirty eight
percent that day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Yeah, thirty eight percent. That's amazing because of the potential
of a deal. Yeah, incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Hey, thank you so much, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
You take care.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Watch the space keenly as we always do. That's paused
in house, our text spelling it out in simple terms
for us this morning, which we always appreciate on the show.
Right now, it's eighteen to eleven. Our resident doctors are next.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News talks. That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
It's really sad and scary news. Former England rugby captain
Lewis Moody has been diagnosed with motor neuron disease. So
he's just forty seven years old. But we wanted a
bit more information about MND and so doctor Brian Betty
is here with us this morning. Calder Brian, Oh, kil Jack,
What actually is motor neuron disease.

Speaker 11 (01:07:39):
It's what we call a neurological disorder, so it's a
progressive nerve disease. So basically what hammered happens, It damages
and kills nerve cells, especially in the spinal cord and
the brain that control muscle movement in the body. So
in effect, what happens is the nerve cells are damaged
and the brain can no longer connect or send signals

(01:08:01):
through to the muscles in the body, and the muscles
slowly lose the ability to function. So it's a devastating
disease and with with lots and lots of implications when
it occurs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yeah, why does it occur?

Speaker 11 (01:08:16):
Well, look, it's one of those things very familiar to
us in medicine that the exact cause is not fully understood.
So it's thought to be up to ten percent of
maybe genetic related, and that is the person's genes or
family history drive it, but ninety percent are thought to
be random with really no clear genetic cause. Now we

(01:08:36):
think there are several things that could be important. One
is an abnormal accumulation approtein in the nerve cells.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Which destroy them.

Speaker 11 (01:08:45):
There's possibly an inflammatory response that is the immune system
malfunction where the immune system turns on itself and destroys
the nerve cells. The other thing that's been wondered about
is whether there's environmental factors. So there's been some linkage
to things like heavy metals and pesticides, but again there's
no real clear evidence that's in fact the case, so

(01:09:08):
not well understood.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
And even for Lewis Moody, I mean, my immediate reaction
was is this as a result of being in a
in a really physical contact sport for a long time.
But even that evidence seemed to be mixed at the moment,
so that you can't sort of directly draw a line
necessarily just on that.

Speaker 11 (01:09:22):
Yet, Yeah, it would be very very hard to draw
a direct line with that to this condition.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
So yeah, no, no, yeah, very very poorly understood.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Well, what are the symptoms.

Speaker 11 (01:09:33):
Well, the problem is that initially it is incredibly difficult
to diagnose because there are very very subtle changes that occur.
So this may be a slight clumsiness in the hands,
slurred speech, or fatigue or tiredness, so that those are
pretty pretty nondescript. But as time goes on, the main
issue that tends to develop is weakness in the arms

(01:09:55):
and legs and hands and you gradually lose your ability
to use them. Now speech and swallowing can become very
very difficult, so speech, the power of speech, you start
to lose that and in particular breathing problems as the
muscles around the lungs weaken, and that can lead to
increased lung infections, pneumonias, things like that, which can be
very very difficult. The other thing is mood swings, slow

(01:10:18):
depression and can become a pronounced feature of it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah, which is understandable. I mean, I mean many of
us will associate mode of neuron disease with Stephen Hawking.
But can any treated at all.

Speaker 11 (01:10:31):
Unfortunately, it's incurable, so once the diagnosis has made there
isn't any real treatments available. Stephen Hawkins was actually very
very unusual, so he was diagnosed at the age twenty two,
but he actually died of the age of seventy six
because the average time from diagnosis to death is two
to five years. Wow, So Stephen Hawkins was incredibly unusual

(01:10:53):
in terms of what happened, and again not understood. It
was thought to be just a slower variant of the disease.
There are some experimental drugs that medical science is playing
around with, but again there's nothing really that's been landed
on at this point, so most of the treatment tends
to be supportive that that, you know, trying to improve

(01:11:13):
the quality of life. And I think Stephen Hawkins, he
had motorized wheelchair, he was able to communicate through a
through a language translator in things. So again it's it's
it's quality of life that becomes a critical thing as
time goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah, oh man, it's it's just such sad news about
Lewis Moody. But thank you very much for that. We
really appreciate your time and expertise. As always. Dr Brian
Betty with us this morning after eleven o'clock on News Talk.
He'd be our travel correspondent has just taken an incredible
trip to India and he's going to join us this
morning with his advice on people who are going to
India for the first time. It is one of those

(01:11:49):
all encompassing kind of sensual experiences I think going to India,
I mean, you can it's just a total bombard and
bombardment for your for for all senses, you know, a
kind of kind of sensory over overload and in some respects,
but you know, there's some amazing components to that that

(01:12:11):
he has some really simple tips for So if you
are considering a trip to India, he's going to be
with us after eleven with his top tips on there
rude climb passes in the garden for us in a
couple of minutes. It's eleven to eleven. You're Jack Taime
on newstalks.

Speaker 13 (01:12:23):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
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half priced.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Rude climb past is our man in the garden on
Saturday mornings. Got our good morning, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Cure Jack, Yeah, garden.

Speaker 15 (01:12:38):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I don't know if you know this, but it's really
all over the place now, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
It is all over the place. It's always all over
the place at our place. But yes, everything's just going gangbusters.
Everything's going gangbusters. It's going to be twenty two and
or on today they reckon so you know our place
then everything's growing. Is it going to be twenty four
and the three?

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Don't you worry? Ever since you and your friends left,
it's been great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Yeah, funny that it's our cold, cold heart. We're keeping
them below the average for so long.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yeah, you got it? Have you got apples where you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Are not at our place, not at our place.

Speaker 22 (01:13:16):
But.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Are growing up well the in laws.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
The in laws are Nelson and in fact, my brother
in law grew up on an apple orchard.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
So I'm all the is yeah, oh well they should they.

Speaker 13 (01:13:29):
I think they are on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Top of the coddling moth situation. Yeah, that's not the
first time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Codling moths are real braggers actually, because those things, of
course originated from places like what is it? We had
them a lot, but they're not where they're originally from.
I don't know exactly where they came from, but anyway,
in the in those orchards, that is their big gig.
Because these guys basically make holes in apples and it

(01:13:55):
looks awful and it tastes even worse. So I think
we better have a check about that. And the reason
is this is actually quite interesting. In the past, when
I started working with the Ministry of Anger and fish
Heads sorry meth, we used to use a lot of
really nasty chemicals on apples, carborrel, organophosphates, you name it.

(01:14:18):
And suddenly they found this lovely material called the medex three,
which is basically a material that kills the caterpillars as
soon as they come into developing fruit, and so I
want to have a little check about that, yeah, rather
than the asty stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:14:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
So at the moment the apples are flowering, some have
already finished because their earlier settlers, I suppose, and there's
also later ones coming up. And this is the idea
how this works. The virus that kills the caterpillar is
a natural virus that only kills the coddling moth, nothing else, right,

(01:15:00):
So that's that's quite organic, isn't it if you think
about it. So that's number one. Number two. The time
when the moths are flying is from now onwards, right,
And the very first thing they do is they find
a partner. They mate, and then the females are laying
their eggs literally on the tiny fruits that are forming

(01:15:22):
right now after flowering. And the tiny fruits in London
are called coddlings, hence the name codling moth. Right, So
that's important. So from now on we should start looking
at these sort of things, and instead of using nasty chemicals,
we can use the material that is that virus that
they found it's called granulosis virus, and especially putting bottles

(01:15:48):
under the name mad X three MDX three. I've used
it now for decades and it works beautifully. If you
do that at the right time, you can actually stop
those first little catapillars from getting into developing fruits and
will have clean fruit at the end of the season.

(01:16:09):
That is really important. I think, Well, do you reckon? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Sounds really good and it lots ones, right, I mean
you can you can just freezer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Yeah, well there you go. You you let you're read it,
have you? Yeah, if you put them in the freezer,
you can actually have that particular stuff. I know it's expensive, Sorry,
I know, but it will last for at least four
or five years if you put them in the freezer
and only take it out when you have to quickly
looted in your water and spray the spray the apple trees.

(01:16:38):
That is the way to go about it. So it's
actually and the second thing is what you can do is,
of course, if you find it too expensive, you share
it with your neighbors. It's the other thing. Yeah, you're
looking at one hundred and eighty dollars for a bottle. Yeah,
it's quite dear, but it works, and boy doesn't work,
so those are really important things. Keep it in the
freezer after use and it'll be easy to use next

(01:17:01):
year again mad x three.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
There you go, very good, Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

Speaker 23 (01:17:06):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
We't We've started a bit of a contest this morning, rude.
So if it's twenty two in Auckland, it's twenty four
in christ Church twenty six and Hastings says, mars, how
about that? Here you go twenty five degrees in Ashburton
right now. See I've always said that Hestburton was paradise,
but my goodness, hey that is how about it? Yeah,
you better get going if you haven't got your bazil

(01:17:27):
and now is the time. Thank you very much, Rude.
We'll make sure all of the details for that Medics
three is up on the news talks Hedb website as well,
so you can get your apple tree sat at your place.
After eleven o'clock we'll get a new book from Ken
Follett to tell you about sounds really good actually, and
a new album from Jeff Tweedy, the front man for Wilco.
So we'll play you a couple of songs from that
album very shortly. You have an hour if you haven't

(01:17:50):
yet voted in your local body elections, please go and
do it. No voting, no moaning, you know the rules.
An hour before the polls close. It is just coming
out to eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning,
and this is News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US talks at BRED.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
You know you were Jack Taime on News Talks. He'd
be great to have you with us this morning, I reckon, Well,
I know it was fifteen years ago that I first
went to India. I've been lucky enough to go a
couple of times in my life, but fifteen years ago
I went to the Delhi Commonwealth Games, which I'll tell
you was an experience for many for many reasons. But anyway,

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I went because I was working and went along with
TV and Z, and because it was the Comwealth Games,
and because there were a few security concerns, we were
given pretty good treatment. You might remember the Dali Conwealth
Games had all sorts of issues with not being ready
on time, like the athlete's village wasn't quite ready on time.
There all sorts of organizational issues Anyway, the games themselves
were great. I had a fantastic time, and we were

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put up in this opulent, like five star hotel. So
my first experience of India was actually my first experience
of staying in a five star hotel. It was really, really,
really fancy. I think the rationale was because there were
security concerns and you know, because we had to take
our own private security in and all of that, that
they put us up in a really nice hotel. So

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after two or three weeks staying in the super fancy hotel,
all of my colleagues flew home to New Zealand at
the end of the Delhi Colnwealth Games, and I decided
to stay on. And I remember leaving this five star
hotel in Delhi going to the Delhi Central Railway station
where I had bought about a fifth class ticket on

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a train that went across the country. And I remember
as all of my friends were texting me and colleagues
were texting me saying, Hey, we're at our departure gate.
We're about to fly back to New Zealand and see
you in a few weeks. This train pulled out of
the station in Delhi and I was in a little
carriage that had three bunk beds. I was on the

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top bunk, and the roof space was so small that
I couldn't sit upright on the bunk, so I was
sort of like I sort of had to manipulate my
body to get into the space. And all I remember
is that with the other five beds in my room,
there were about eleven people and four chickens. I was

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on the twenty four hour train across the country with
eleven other people and four chickens. And as we pulled
out of Deli, as the sun went down over the city,
I just remember all of these people burning rubbish for
fuel on the outskirts of the city. Was really, really amazing,
and I thought, Okay, yeah, I'm not in Kansas anymore.
I'm not in the nice, comfortable, five star hotel, drink

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from the tap anymore. No, this is going to be
a different experience. My experience of India is just that
it's the most extraordinary place. And I know that's hardly unique,
but from a sensory experience, everything is in the extreme,
so like the poverty is in the extreme, but the
beauty is in the extreme. The smells like nothing smells

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a little bit. Everything smells so intensely, whether it's good
or whether it's bad. Yeah, you see the most extraordinary things,
and in my experience, it's a kind of place that
just gets under skin, it just sticks with you. So anyway,
the reason I'm telling you this is because I remember
my first time in India incredibly vividly, and I know

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that it's a sort of travel destination that interests a
lot of people but also can be a little bit intimidating.
So our travel Crosspondent is going to be with us
before with his tips on traveling to India for the
first time. I reckon one of them is going to
be eat it if it's hot and don't touch it
if it's not. But he'll be with us very shortly,
so looking forward to that as well as that. Before midday,

(01:22:19):
we've got a new music a new album from Jeff Tweedy.
He's the front man from Wilco. He's done all sorts
of different musical projects over the years. He's got all
of Wilco's stuff, but he's also done some solo stuff.
Now he's written a new album and released it alongside
two of his sons. So we'll play you some of
the tracks from that album, Twilight Override. Very shortly right
now it is eleven minutes past eleven, Jack Team, we

(01:22:41):
learned something new on the show every week. Google Sutherland
from Umbrella Wellbeing is known to most of us as
our clinical psychologist who joins us every couple of weeks.
But I didn't know this. He has been poked and
plodded as a subject of the infamous Dunedin Longitudinal Study.
How about that, Doogle? What an amazing dream.

Speaker 22 (01:22:59):
Yeah, I'm trigued that you call it infamous. Well, yeah,
maybe it's famous, certainly infamous for poking and prodding me. Yeah, no,
it's yeah, I'm one of those. Do you know? It
was so common in my class when I was at
school that it was just you know, it was one
of those things, Oh where's you know, where's Wayne today?
Oh he's at that Dunedin study thing. Oh yeah, I'm

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going next week. So just just because of the cohorts
saying were everybody at school was always you know, when
it came that time of every two years to go
into the study, it was just sort of day after
day somebody was absent from school.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
A really dumb question is the Danedan Longitudinal study. Were
the subjects all in Dunedin.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
Yes, that's good.

Speaker 22 (01:23:42):
And I'll tell you another weird little fact here. My
grandmother was one of the original volunteers that went around
the writ around the maternity unit Queen Mary and Dunedan
and recruited mothers and their children. Were predominant mothers and
their kids to be in the study. So we've got
this weird family linkage back as well when my grandmother

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was the person doing the recruiting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
So wow.

Speaker 22 (01:24:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Well, the reason the reason I raise this is the
Dnedan Longitudinal Study and data from the study now suggests
that the number of New Zealand adults who in their
lifetime experience a major mental health problem could be as
high as eighty percent, which is an extraordinary figure. I mean,
I think the Ministry of Health says it's closer to
fifty percent or just under fifty percent, but eighty percent

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the data from the Deneede Longitudinal Study suggests it could be.
And given it as Mental Health Awareness Week, which has
sort of been everywhere this week, it is. Yeah, it
is probably even more prominent.

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:24:40):
Yeah, it's really interesting. When I'm talking to organizations and
groups of people are often you know, start with a
pop quiz around you know, what percentage do you of
people in New Zealand do you think will have experienced
a major mental health problem in their lifetime? And estimates
very wide, you know, wildly from thirty three percent. You know,
it's almost everybody, isn't it, depending on your definition. So

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but yeah, I think most people are sort of blown
away when it's eighty percent, and you know that the
need and data is from the needan study. Data is
probably a bit more better for one of a better
term than the Ministry of health data because it's just
more in depth and so more likely to be accurate,
I think. But people typically now go, yeah, do you
know what I reckon?

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
That's true?

Speaker 22 (01:25:23):
If it's if it's not me, it's it's my partner,
it's my mother, it's one of my kids. And the
idea really is that, you know, mental health problems are
not something weird that only a few, you know, a
small proportion of people experience. It's pretty much three quarters
or almost all of us. And so you know, the
more that we can all do to protect our mental health,

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the better, because you know it's going to be somebody
near to you if not you So, so the more
that we can do to talk about it, to keep
talking about it, to keep being aware of it and
preventing it, the better.

Speaker 6 (01:25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Absolutely, So You've got five tips for us this morning,
Five ways to well being for find our mental health.

Speaker 22 (01:26:01):
Yeah, and this picks up on the Mental Health Foundations,
you know, top up Together, which is their theme, has
been their theme for the week, and talking about the
five ways to well being, and the five ways to
well being are and brief. The most people know these,
but connect, be active, take notice, keep learning, and give
Now They're not just random either. There's quite a lot

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of research behind those as five sort of key you know,
key things that you can do every every day or
every week or just you know, very regularly that will
just really bolster and boost up.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Your mental health.

Speaker 22 (01:26:34):
So yeah, so for me, my my my favorite one
of these is connect, which is every third Thursday of
the month, which is a bit of a tongue twister.
Every third Thursday of the month that me and a
group of friends get together. We have Thirsty Thursday at
our local and you know it's just after work and
people drop in and you know, some people have a

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beer and some people have a you know, a soft drink.
It doesn't doesn't really matter. The idea is that, hey,
this is just a time just to you know, catch
up with each other, do life with one another, see
how you're going. And it's just I just look forward
to every month. It's just like, ah, yes, we got
Thursdayday this week, and it's just it's just super good.
And I think it's just you know, where you can

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be in a space with people where you can just
be yourself and just be sort of real and just
have good conversation. We don't always agree about everything. We've
got people from different political persuasions and we even have
an Australian in the group, so that's you know, we're
open to everybody. So yeah, so that that that's connected.
And I really love doing that. Yeah, being active. Get

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up every day. I'm up at six, usually up for
a forty five minute walk, fifty minute walk or so,
which is I didn't used.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
To love doing that.

Speaker 22 (01:27:48):
It's been a habit that I have worked on and
now I'm at the point where if I don't do it,
I kind of really miss it, and which which is
really good. Taking notice this week has prompted me to
sort of start up and mindfulness practice again. I've i
go on off mindfulness in terms of my practice of it,
not not as a fan of it. So I'm just

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just gently starting a bit more of mindfulness or returning
to mindfulness practice again, which is nice. Nice keep learning.
Number four, I use my wife for other than me
as an example. She's in the middle of a twenty
week today O course online and so every Tuesday night
she shuts yourself off into one of the one of

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the rooms and practices today and it's all you know,
full I version today. So it's just not allowed to
speak English during that time. I'm not allowed to interrupt
her unless I'm going to speak today, which I can't really.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Do, so I don't interrupt you.

Speaker 22 (01:28:44):
But again, it's that learning that's it's that really keeping
those those brain cells active, and it's keeping your mental
well being at the forefront.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
So you feel like you're progressing too, don't you. If
you're learning, even if you're learning slowly, you still feel
like even if other parts of your life are a
bit in a bit of trouble, then you know, you
feel like you're progressing in one area or something.

Speaker 22 (01:29:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing, and it gives you,
It gives us, gives often gives people that sense of
what we call mastery. So it might not be particularly
enjoyable at the time, but as you master the skills,
there is a real sense of pleasure or a sense
of achievement that people get out of that. It doesn't
have to be a language, obviously, it could be could
be anything. But I think that's that's that real sense

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of pleasure and mastery that you get from from learning something.
Now and what number five is give, give, Give, Give, Give,
give your time, give your efforts, give your energies, Give.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Your body to the longitudinal study.

Speaker 22 (01:29:42):
Yeah, give you actually, do you know what the last No,
not the last time, but two times ago when I
was down speaking of giving your body, Richie Pulton came
around and said, now we're just sort of we're just
floating the idea. We're just floating the idea just we
haven't decided on it yet, but would you think about
donating your body to the den study at the end
of your life? And it was like a very I

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was I was like, do you know what, Maybe I
maybe I will, maybe I'll do that, Maybe that will
be a lasting kind of lasting kind of gift for
one of a better term. But yeah, any way that
you can give. We know, there's lots of research that
shows that when people volunteer, particularly something completely unrelated to

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their work or their life, it's really really good for
the person volunteering. So the more that you can give, again,
it's a boost for your mental well being. So yeah,
think about those five tips and about what you can
do individually over the next week, just just to just
you know, just to do at least one or two
of those bolster up, and to bolster up you will being.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Oh so good. Thank you so much, doogle.

Speaker 22 (01:30:49):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
If you want to top it up yourself, you can
go to www dot m h a W. That's Mental
Health Awareness Week em AW dot NZ. We'll make sure
there's a link to that on the news talks he'd
b website as well.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
Travel with when you Will Tours Where the world is
yours girl.

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Travel correspondent Mike Yardley has tips on tripping to India
for first times this morning, and Mike, India is an
amazing place. It can be a bit of an intimidating
destination for some people, but you are fresh back from India.

Speaker 7 (01:31:21):
So how was it?

Speaker 23 (01:31:22):
Yes, I was listening to your reminiscing on the Commonwealth
Games deck and I have to say my latest encounter
was absolutely your classic convulsing sensory assault from the sublime
to the ridiculous. The thing that I've found really interesting, though,
was it's been fourteen years since I was last in India,

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and you can see the transformation to the country like
it's palpable. Things like road travel just so much faster.
Those major highway projects have slash journey time, although the
standard of driving behavior is still abismal in India. Oh
my god, they are the world's biggest undertakers, I reckon,

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it's just so random. New Delhi struck me as decidedly
cleaner than I recall from fourteen years ago, far ly
sliitter on the streets, although once you get out of
the big cities on the highway and the smaller towns,
those mounds of rubbish polluting the roadside are still depressingly
conspicuous and something which I think is really tragic.

Speaker 15 (01:32:27):
Jack.

Speaker 23 (01:32:28):
A lot of those wandering cows that people love seeing
because they're you know, so famously bestowed with sacred status.
A lot of those cows on the roadside actually succumb
to choking on plastic while foraging for food scraps, amongst
all those heaving piles of litter. So it was a
sad note.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Yeah, yeah, that is a bit grim, isn't it. It's yeah,
you see sort of humanity in all its extremes when
you're in India, right, And obviously poverty is one of
the things that many people are confronted by when traveling
in India. What was your sense is still very conspicuous.

Speaker 23 (01:33:02):
Yeah, particularly on the outskirts of New Delhi and around
by the airport, there were plenty of mothers and children
begging at those busy traffic intersections. I still saw quite
a few people blathely taking a dump on the footpath.
But that being said, certainly not on the scale that
I vividly recalled from fourteen years ago. And what I

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did not this, particularly around places like New Delhi Airport,
there are these forests of gleaning, new apartment house sprouting everywhere,
and I mean that's proof positive of the booming middle
class that has doubled in size in just twenty years.
I was looking at the World Bank stats, they reckon
that nearly two hundred million Indian people have been lifted

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out of extreme poverty in the past decade alone, which
is absolutely staggering. And yeah, the thing that really struck
me the swath of slums that I recall from fourteen
years ago. They have dramatically shrunken size. So that's a
real affirming observation, you know, to see that India is

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on a roll.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
So for the first time is what would you say
is the best way to get around?

Speaker 23 (01:34:16):
Yeah, well, there's lots of options. You could do the
budget train like Jack Taman did after the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Well, it was an experience I remember it to this day,
you know, So i'd taken a luxury coach.

Speaker 23 (01:34:26):
I don't think I would, Oh man, Yeah, I haven't
done the luxury trains in India and I know a
lot of people rave about them, like the Maharaja Express
and so forth. So that's a good option if you
are a first time I would definitely say get a
guide to do a guided to her. I actually went
to India with Wendy Woo Tour. It's our sponsor Amazing,

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So they do lots of options. You can do like
a big group guided to it. But I would actually
suggest you go with one of the private tours so
it's just you or your loved ones if you're not
traveling alone with a guide and a driver, and it's
still a really a audible way to navigate Indian And
what I love about this options you have complete flexibility

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over the itinery. You can optimize it to the max
to suit your preferences. So whether you're traveling alone with
a partner, of friends, family, Wendy, where will get you
sorted And it really is a good way to feel immersed,
you know, authentically with real India.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
And the Golden Triangle is probably the most popular route, right.

Speaker 23 (01:35:34):
Yeah, I would definitely suggest the Golden Triangle as the
best introduction because you see so many, you know, iconic landmarks.
You do get a real sense of big city, small
town and it's quite a compact touring route. So we'll
talk about some of those key destinations over the next
three weeks. But you've got the head swirl of old

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and New Deli, you've got the marvels of Agra headlined
by the taj and my favorite Indian city, Jpaw is
part of that circuit. In terms of of win to
go October to April is the best time to tour
the Golden Triangle with the wise because once you hit
May June all the way through to August, you will

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be battling forty five degrees plus and of course the
monsooners in full cry July August. So yeah, sort of
time it from now through to about April for optimum touring.

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
I remember in Gypaul because Jaipaul is the capital of Rajasthan, right, Yeah,
I just remember having the most incredible lassie and the
and the and the clay pots, lovely clay. Yes, it's
absolutely ridiculous, so good. What is the go with tipping?

Speaker 23 (01:36:49):
I think USA, maybe even think USA with great insistence
because it's not just recommended, but expected, if not imposed,
on your bill. Right across the service industry, so definitely
in restaurants and cafes for food and drink, it's ten percent,
no questions asked. And be sure to have a few

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rupees for the likes of porters, ritual riders, guides, taxis.
But generally you won't need a lot of rupees for India,
it's just for those little service charges. Generally credit cards
good to go wherever you go.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Yeah, I like that. I mean that that I think, yeah,
is totally reasonable, right, Like, when you're traveling through someone
like that and there's obviously big income disparities and stuff,
it's like, actually, yeah, not too bad. It's not exactly
none for being the most expensive place to travel anyway.
What about dellibelly? How do you dodge it?

Speaker 23 (01:37:42):
It seems to be what people fear the most about India.
I totally agree with you, Jack, when it comes to
street food, it's probably where you're most likely to come
unstuck if you don't use your scruples. So stick to
popular stores with high turnover. Always opt for freshly cocked items.
Do not go anywhere near uncocked ingredients. Steer clear of salads,

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be super cautious of water sources, always too spoiled or
bottled drinks. I don't know if I've got an ironclad constitution,
but I had no brushes with Deli Belly. But as
a precaution, I yeah, yeah, And that's both fourteen years
ago and just yeah last month, but definitely I added
a packet of amodium tablets mo toiletory bag. And the

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idea is, at the first sign of any tummy turbulence,
get some of those into you and you should be okay.
But yeah, thankfully I was all good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
Yeah, I managed to avoid it for five weeks the
first time I went, and in the second time I went.
I think actually the thing, the thing that caused me
most trouble wasn't so much the Deli belly, but was
the air pollution. And if you got the wrong time
a year in some parts of the air pollution can
be terrible. So have you got any other tips for us?

Speaker 23 (01:38:57):
Well, I would say definitely get a visitor visa for
India before you depart, because you will speed through the
airport arrivals process stress free. I couldn't believe ve how
fast it was a few weeks ago. You can apply
for a visa on a rival, but you don't want
to do that after a long flight from New Zealand
stuffing about in a queue for maybe two or three

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hours to deal with the local bureaucracy. So definitely get
that visa in advance. And finally, if you need to
use an Indian airline for any travel, particularly domestically, maybe
you're going down to Mumbai from New Delhi for example,
I would suggest you go with Indie Go. They are
now the nation's biggest carrier. Obviously, people had concerns about India.

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They had that terrible crash, you know, a couple of
months ago. But Indigo they've got super new planes and
a fabulous safety record.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Fantastic. Hey, thank you so much, Mike. We'll put all
the Mike's tips for taking your first trip to India
India for first timers on the news Talks Z'DB website
and Mike will be back with us over the next
couple of weeks to talk through some of those top destinations.
And it's just gone eleven thirty with Jack Tame. This
is Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
News Talks EDB. Just coming up to twenty five to twelve. Jack,
We backpacked in India for nine months in nineteen eighty three.
There were no plastic bags anywhere. The ones we brought
into the country to store our clothes and our backpacks
were valued like gold. The cows at the time did
a wonderful job of helping to keep the streets clean.
The most dangerous thing I saw a cow eat was

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a woman's bra. There you go, sure that it's better
to have them on the grass or the hay or
something like that. Thank you very much for vback ninety
two ninety two as the text number. Jason Pine is
with us on weekend spport this afternoon killed Harlo Jack
Mount Panorama. We get My goodness, are you a big
Bathurst guy?

Speaker 22 (01:41:13):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Not really.

Speaker 14 (01:41:14):
Motor Racing has never really been kind of in my
wheelhouse of the sports I absolutely love.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
But having said that, you can watch it, you can
appreciate it.

Speaker 14 (01:41:21):
I can totally appreciate it, and I can also understand
the attraction of it when you know this it's this
mess of what's six six point one you know kilometer
track that you can basically park up anywhere around and
watch the action and you know, chair on the Kiwis.
It's almost like a bit of a pilgrimage and I
think almost a bucket list item for Kiwi motorsport fans

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as well. Yeah, you know, it's so close to get this,
but like the Melbourne Grand Prix, you know, it's just
across the across the ditch. It's easy to get to
and I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Think most I know most most sports stands absolutely absolutely
have it on the bucket list. I was going to say, dear,
I say we use the I word. It's iconic. I think,
isn't it iconic?

Speaker 22 (01:42:00):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:42:01):
I think you can absolutely say that, and so many
iconic moments as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
I can't rememb who it was who hit the kangaroo
on the back straight doing about two seventy or whatever.
I think Craig I the most Australian thing ever, like, yeah,
just like Ozzie as you know. Anyway, Yeah, Beth, this
weekend fantastic, hard enough to win it once. Greg Murphy's
won at four times, one of our absolute greats if

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we're talking about iconic motorsport names. Greg Murphy is going
to lead us off after midday with a bit of
a view ahead to this weekend but also a look
at what it takes to do well there, and we'll
obviously be dipping in and out of Bathroos right across
the weekend. Nice and Joseph Parker's on the show this afternoon.

Speaker 14 (01:42:43):
That's right in London. He's there already just building towards
this fight against Fabio Wardley. The reward for winning this fight,
if he's able to do that, is that he kind
of puts himself next in line, if you like to
fight Alexander Alexander Yusik for the undisputed Word Heavyweight Championship.
So he's been building towards this, Joseph Parker. He's had
three good wins recently his last six fights.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
He's one.

Speaker 14 (01:43:07):
He is in really tip top shape as I understand it,
for this one. So how is he tracking with a
couple of weeks to go? And does he feel as
though if he wins that he does get the chance
to fight?

Speaker 22 (01:43:16):
You?

Speaker 14 (01:43:16):
Sick for that? For that big one? So yeah, Joe
Parker after one. Lots of other bits and pieces as well, Jack,
a bit of rugby, bit of football, some cricket, we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Try and come let you go? Can I just very
quickly put you on the spot. So I started the
show this morning with a bit of a rant, a
bit of a mude. So what do you reckon? Why
is it that in football, of all sports, players are
just allowed to go up and moan to the referee
and kind of get right in the referee's face, crowd
out the referee if they're unhappy with the decision. Why
are they allowed to do that?

Speaker 14 (01:43:43):
I think the answer to why they are is because
they've always been allowed to. It's it's never been clamped
down on the same way that it has in rugby.
You chat back to the rugby referee and you get
march ten meters straight away. Look, if they did that
in football, if they started issuing instant yellow cards, or
there was some sort of sanction for chatting to the referee,
then it would stop almost instantly. But it just seems

(01:44:05):
to be so deeply grained as this has also heard
you say the writhing on the ground that the slightest
suggestion of a of a contedy ankle.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:44:15):
Look, I love I love football, as you know, Jack,
I absolutely love it. But these two things, the you know,
the surrounding referees and the and the play acting on
the ground are two things that I simply cannot abide.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
Yeah, very good, All right, looking forward to the show
this us known Thank you, Sir Jason Pine with us
for weekend Sport right after the midday news. Before midday,
we'll play you a couple of songs from Jeff Tweedy's
latest album, Twilight. Override your book picks for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
He'd be nineteen to twelve. On news Talks, he'd be
Katherine Rains, our book reviewer, chooses two fantastic new reads
for us every week. She's here with their picks for
the weekend. Get it, Catherine one Jack. Let us begin
with Fly Wild Swans by Jung Chang So.

Speaker 18 (01:45:02):
Wild Swans, which was one of her first books, was
published back in nineteen ninety one, and it had a
real global impact and sold over thirty five million copies.
And it so told the story of three generations of
women in the twentieth century of twentieth century China. It
was her grandmother, her mother, and herself and then since
since then she's gone on to write some more books,
particularly a biography of mild the Untold Story. But in

(01:45:25):
Fly Wild Swang, she actually returns to her grandmother's birth
in nineteen hundred and the binding of her feet and
her marriage at seventeen to a warlord whose household she
escaped with her daughter and her arms, and that child
grew up to join the communist struggle against the ruling
com Tongue Party and married a fellow revolutionary who became

(01:45:46):
a senior official in the Communist victory at the end
of the Civil War. But then Chang's parents both lost
their faith in communism during the starvation in the early
nineteen sixties as a result of Males's earlier policies, and
they began this retreat from pological life, and it didn't
really save them from persecution during the Cultural Revolution. You know,

(01:46:07):
she covers that ground and Chung's kind of fourteen at
that time, and then you know, really when the book
ended in nineteen ninety one, China's gone from poverty to prosperity,
and you know, the world's second largest economy, and Chung
herself sort of talks about that and Wild Swan's being
banned in China, and she still went there and conducted

(01:46:28):
research for a long time, actually for several years because
that's where she was started to talk about her mild
biography as well in the publication of that in two
thousand and five. And then eventually she's sort of placed
under the surveillance and visas become more difficult, and you know,
she's usually accompanied by minders, and in this book she
really talks about China as that global powerhouse and that

(01:46:49):
impact of their lives on her and her mother and
Wild Swan's is really about that experience, and it's you know,
it's a really intriguing memoir, and you know, she has
this ability to bring together the Chinese history and politics
and really bring that to life in a very personal way.
And it's a really interesting story in a really interesting
you know what happened after the end of Wild Swans?

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Okay, So fly Wild Swan by Yung Chang is that book.
Next up, Circle of Days by Ken Folletts.

Speaker 18 (01:47:17):
So one of my favorite books is actually a much
older book of Ken Follet's called The Pillars of the Earth,
which is he just writes historical fiction so well, and
he's such a great story teller, and he has this
ability to make something very old and ancient come to
life in these very relatable characters. So in this he
imagines how Stonehenge might have come to be, and it's

(01:47:38):
told through the intertwining stories of herders and farmers and woodlanders,
and it paints this really interesting picture of prehistoric life
and the effort that it would have taken to unite
these divided tribes and the pews is something actually to
build something that was greater than themselves, and so you
introduced to these characters from each tribe and you follow
them throughout the story, and seef It and Joe are

(01:48:00):
central to the story. And see if it's a flint
miner and he lives in his brutal high but he's
blessed with this really great talent for what he does
and a very quiet resolve and personality. And then he
meets this woman nine who's a herder, and she opens
his eyes to this really different kind of life, you know,
one built on love rather than dominance. And then there's

(01:48:21):
jo whose Nien's younger sister, and she has this fascination
with priestesses and ancient knowledge. And so the whole herd
of community meets together on a quarterly basis where they
gather to trade and feast and participate. And then the
drought ravages the land and the tensions build and conflict simmers,
and then you know, Joe has this dream of building
this sacred circle to bring unity. And Follett's managed to

(01:48:44):
fill the story with these great characters, as I said before,
and some you like and some you despise, and he's
really interesting and explanations of how the stones perhaps came
to be and the world and society he imagines, and
I really like it. It's great ancient history and that
mystery of Stonehenge, and it's, you know, this simple but
powerful tale. It's a bit slow in places, but actually

(01:49:06):
slow on a reason and it kind of builds the
story and it really makes it working. At seven hundred pages,
it's not a small book, but I've found myself flicking
through it quite quickly, to be honest, because it's such
a great story.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
Great.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Okay, cool. So that's Circle of Days by Ken Follett,
Catherine's first book again, Fly Wild Swans by Yung Chang.
Will have all the details for both of those on
the News talk z'b website. New music from Jeff Tweedy,
he of Wilco Fame, in a couple of minutes on
News dog z'b.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
Know Saturday morning with Jack dam News talk z Bess.

Speaker 8 (01:49:47):
Stands a chance we get a coror in the pal.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
That is Jeff Tweety. The song is called Caught Up
in the Past. He's got a new album called Twilight Override.
James Irwin has been listening and is with us this morning.

Speaker 15 (01:50:29):
Hey, James, I have been Hi, Jack, I've been swimming,
not just listening. I've been swimming in this new Jeff
Tweety triple album, Twilight over Right, And I mean it's
a deeply human masterpiece. Thirty tracks, three discs, one big
emotional swing at the data side. I mean, off the
top of your head, Jack, I don't know if you
can think of any thirty track albums that are not

(01:50:50):
you know, not solid gold compilation hits.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Yeah, I'm sitting it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:50:55):
I'm thinking the White album and Beatles' heads will either
be texting in and going, yeah, it's only twenty eight,
you know, or thirty two. Maybe one at home, I know,
the minute Man's classic double Nickel on the dime. This album,
is it the album to save humanity? Possibly not, But
it's the kind of album that asks you to kind
of slow down, unplug spend some time. You don't just

(01:51:19):
throw this one on when you're you know, making toast,
all all the kids lunches, your book time with it,
like it's like that special family dinner. This almost needs
the old proper sit down with the stereo, not the
mono bluetooth speaker in the corner, but the old school,
get it set up in the garage with that warmth
and hum. Tweedy's gone big here and you can really

(01:51:39):
feel the effort. It's not just quantity, it's quality, and
it's kind of loaded up with emotion right from the
very first track, Tiny Flower wirl Cup are going to
wreck us that for me, kick Glow. It's glorious experimental
folk and in a way, you know, thirty tracks that
kind of feels like it's a vault clearing mission. But
it's not the old dusty vault left over kind of way.

(01:52:02):
This is already fresh, it's alive, it's overflowing. He's giving
us here everything all in one hit, warts and all,
instead of kind of you know, like the Princes of
State they drip feeted over ten or twenty years. This
is almost like going to the op shop finding a
Scorsese film director's cut on DVD and then going home
and watching all the outtakes and the extras and the

(01:52:23):
you know and the alternative you know cuts. Tweety's main
gig is a lot of people will know is fronting
the band Wilco. He's the guy behind seminal albums, Yankee Hotel, Foxtrot,
so he's I mean straight away, he's no strangers. He
huge ideas. But this is I would say, is his
most ambitious solo project yet, and it's not. At first

(01:52:46):
I was worried when it was thirty tracks. I was like, Oh,
this is just gonna be one of those rock star
flex but it's not. It's a real musical lifeline he's
given us here. He recorded it all at his Chicago studio,
The Loft, with a band that includes his son Spencer
and Sammy. So it's a big old family affair and
you can kind of feel that in the closen and

(01:53:06):
all the harmonies, in those fuzzy guitar licks, in the
whispered lyrics, and in a way it has parallels to
our own Neil Finn and his lad's limb and el
Roy here and Alterra.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
He's got that.

Speaker 15 (01:53:19):
I feel like there's that same spirit of, you know,
keeping it all close, keeping it family, keeping it musical.
Disc One eases you in ever so gently. It's all
acoustic textures, lyrical flashbacks, and it's got the signature tweedy
vocal half whisper, half sort of shrug. It's really intimate
and I feel like he's playing in my lounge when

(01:53:39):
I sit there and listen to it. This two Starters
starts to stretch it out a bit more. The arrangements
get a bit bolder. There's electric guitars, lad percussion, there's
fiddle and some synse. There's a track that I think
we're going to hear at the end called feel Free,
which I just think is gorgeous. It really stands out.
It's a slow building seven minute mantra that just is
kind of like a love letter to music, to creativity.

(01:54:03):
It's gorgeous. And then we get into buy Disc three,
things start to get a little bit wild, but not crazy.
He's got The first track of dis three is called
lou Reed was my babysitter.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
I don't think he was.

Speaker 15 (01:54:14):
I think it's part homage, part.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Sort of feet connection. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:54:18):
Yeah, it's a velvet underground style sort of jam. And
there's another track on Disc three that I love. Twilight
Override is just quietly devastating. It's just got something about
it that's just grabbing me lyrically. Tweety's all over the place.
He's like a fifty eight year old in that post
midlife crisis. So he's done it all. He's got rid
of the lifestyle lifestyle with the rockstar lifestyles. There's memories,

(01:54:42):
there's middle age weirdness, there's the joy of just making
music with the people he loves, and you can really
feel it. You can hear a closeness in the mix.
The harmonies are warm, but they're not perfect, and I
love that. You can hear some some harmonies and you're like,
that's not quite right, you haven't quite hit the note.
The guitar tones a little bit fuzzy acoustically, but it's
all really familiar for Wilco fans. You can hear. This

(01:55:02):
is one of the things I always love about records.
You can hear a cheer scrape in one of the
side and you can you can catch the creaking yeah yeah,
you can hear the heaving of that piano sustained pedal,
and it reminds me of the old you know, the
old primary school teacher belting out of tune in the
school hall on a slightly out of tune piano. It's
got that feel about it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
So what did you give it, James?

Speaker 20 (01:55:23):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:55:24):
Look, this is a solid If we're out of ten,
I can't remember out of ten or five is out
of ten. What are we out of Out of ten,
out of ten, I would give it for Wilco fans
and Tweety junkies, it's a nine out of ten. For
your average listener, it's probably a seven.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Okay, it does sound sounds really good. I'm into Wilco,
so that sounds like a bit of me. Thank you
so much, Jane.

Speaker 10 (01:55:42):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Twilight over Read is Jeff Tweety's new album, Twilight Override.
We'll have a bit more of a listening to a
couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
It's cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with
Jack Team News talks me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
We are just about done for another Saturday morning. Thank
you so much for your company and your communications. This morning,
Jason Pine has weekend Sport in a couple of minutes
for everything from our show, go to the news talks,
he'd be website. Thank you to my wonderful producer Libby
for doing everything for us this morning. We'll leave you
with Jeff Tweety. I'm back next week. Jeff Tweety's new
album is Twilight Override. This is feel free, feel.

Speaker 8 (01:56:23):
Free, spin around and get dizzy, do no.

Speaker 6 (01:56:35):
Persy, feel free, feel free, get yourself born.

Speaker 8 (01:56:49):
In the USA.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to news talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or
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