Full Show Podcast: 12 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
I blame the internal gutter. Honestly, internal gutters. They're more
trouble than they're worth. It was just it was one
of those classic things, right. I was sitting there last
night listening to what I thought was the rain on
the roof, when all of a sudden, I thought that
rain sounds awfully close. Drip drip, drip. This is one
of the costs of having they call a character home,

(01:07):
an old villa, a leak right in the middle of
our lounge. I'm pleased to report that the leak seems
to have stopped along with the rain at our place overnight,
and things are drying out a little bit in Tasman
as well. Of course, the Thames are largely Tasman based
these days. Mum and Dad sent me a text at
about three o'clock in the morning saying that the power
was finally back on at their place my sister's place

(01:29):
over the hill in bright Water. They seem to get
through relatively dry inside at least, although they've lost a
panel or two from the greenhouse. They've got a text
from the neighbors saying that that's blown over to their place,
so they'll be doing a bit of work in the backyard.
I'm going to make sure we keep you up to
speed with the very latest from the authorities regarding the
crazy weather. The good news is that the rain watches

(01:50):
and warnings have been lifted for the time being in Tasman,
which seems to have borne the brunt of the storm.
The worst of the storm over the last twenty four
hours are over the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
But.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Of a one hundred or so people I think spending
the night in alternative accommodation is that storm blew through.
So we'll make sure we keep you up to speed
with the latest this morning on News Talks dB, as
well as that before ten o'clock this morning, a Moroccan
spiced lamb pie recipe I reckon that'll go down an
absolute treat in those parts of the country that have
been the wettest stuff for the last twenty four hours.

(02:22):
And then after ten o'clock we are going to be
speaking with Grammy winner, five time Country Music Award winner
Marion Morris. She's just released a brand new album and
she's making her way to New Zealand. She's gonna be
with us as our feature interview after ten o'clock, so
I cannot wait for that right now, it is nine
minutes past nine, Jack Day, and last month, I'm sorry

(02:43):
to report we set a new household record at the
Tames Place. Blame the baby, the extra washing, the old house,
the cold weather, the dehumidifier and whatever whatever else. But
despite booking an hours of free electricity across the month
between the gas heating and the electricity to our place,

(03:03):
our family energy bill for June twenty twenty five was
the single highest bill it has ever been, five hundred
and forty dollars. Look, I know that relative to lots
of other families, we have no reason to complain. We're
pretty comfortable, right, But even so five hundred and forty bucks?

(03:25):
Are you serious? That has to change? But while of
course there are things that we as a family can
do to improve, I'm really aware that there are only
so many gains to be won from policing light switches
and shower times. I am seriously wondering about solar I

(03:48):
read this amazing article and this amazing set of stats
in the New Yorker magazine this week about the scale
and development of solar energy around the world. I've done
that really insufferable thing where I've sent the article to
one thousand people, knowing that about two of them will
actually read the article, and I share these stats with
you because they are amazing. Now, it's mainly big picture stuff, Okay,
so the kind of big industrial solar farms rather than

(04:10):
household solar. But a couple of these numbers absolutely blew
me away. So, first of all, solar power is now
growing faster than any other power source in history. Globally,
a gigawatts worth of solar panels is being installed every
fifteen hours on average, which means that if you set
a stop watch running right now, okay, right this minute,

(04:32):
you set to stop watch going right now, new solar
panels equal to the entire electricity generation capacity of our country.
So the entire electricity generation facity of New Zealand, new
solar panels equivalent to that will be installed and running
by midnight on Thursday night next week, exactly the same

(04:53):
thing the week after that. Exactly the same, and the
week after that, and the week after that, and the
week after that. Another fact, it took sixty eight years
from the invention of solar panels for the world to
install the first terra watt of solar generation capacity, so
that was twenty twenty two. It took just two years

(05:13):
to install the second terrawat of generation, and it's going
to take a year to eighteen months to install the
third by next year. The International Energy Agency, which is
not some big woffy lefty greenee pocket mulching organization, the
International Energy Agency says solar energy will generate more electricity
than all of the world's nuclear power plants combined. By

(05:37):
twenty twenty nine. Solar will do more than hydro dams,
by twenty thirty one, more than gas, and by twenty
thirty two more than coal. Globally, we are generating a
third more energy through wind and solar than this time
last year. It's crazy how fast this is accelerating. And
of course the Chinese are miles ahead of everyone else

(05:58):
on this, but even gas guzzling America is changing incredibly quickly.
And why, you might ask, are we doing it? Because
it's the right thing. Are we doing it because it's
the moral thing, the climate conscious thing we're all thinking
of Paris twenty fifty. No, no, no, no, no, none of that.
The huge surgeon. Solar is being driven by economics. Put simply,

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solar power is way, way, way cheaper than other forms
of electricity generation, and between batteries and solar panels, the
technology is only getting better and only getting cheaper. Ten
years from now. As reported in that article, the International
Energy Agency says solar power will become the world's main
source of all energy, So not just all electricity, all energy.

(06:45):
Solar is going to be number one. Now. Look, I'm
not naive about solar's limitations. I mean a few of
us need reminding, especially given the last couple of weeks,
that there are times when the sun doesn't shine so much.
And right now, in the depths of winter, when our
family's energy bill is at its highest, is the time
of year when solar panels on our roof top would

(07:07):
likely be generating the least electricity. But if I just
step back for a moment and think about sola in
the context of the whole year, it makes increasing economic sense.
In summer, I reckon I could wipe off a massive
chunk from our energy bill, and whatever savings I make

(07:27):
then can contribute to offsetting the bills in the middle
of winter. Look, all I know, or all I knew
when I looked at my energy bill this week is
at five hundred and forty bucks. The status quo isn't
going to be sustainable for our family. And rather than
debating if we will go to solar, the only question

(07:47):
for us now is when Jack tam ninety two ninety
two is the text number if you want to see
me a message. Don't forget that the standard text costs supply.
If you're going to do that, you can email me
as well. Jacket Newstalks, he'd be dot co dot indeed
is my email address. We'll get our sportos thoughts on
the all backs chances tonight. It was this time last week,
of course, I was saying that that before we moaned

(08:08):
about the quality of the French opposition and the squad
that the French had sent down under for these three tests,
we should make sure we win the test comfortably. Was
it all together convincing last week? So are they going
to turn things around in the cake tin tonight? Our
Sportos thoughts very shortly, Kevin Milnder. Next, it's quarter past nine,
I'm jactam, It's Saturday morning and this is news dog ZEDV.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
No bitter way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and bepewured on codet
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Speaker 4 (08:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I know, I know, I sound like I've drunk from
the call aid this morning, but honestly, some of these
stats just absolutely blew me away. I'm going to give
you one more from that article, Okay that this is
something I didn't properly appreciate or understand until this week,
and that's just how inefficient it is to create energy
by burning stuff. Right, So, to power a car by

(08:57):
burning petrol is only about thirty percent efficient, which means
that if you charge a car like an EV car,
they are about two to three times So it takes
two to three times more energy to power a car
with petrol than it does with electricity. Do you get that?
So a standard combustion engine needs two to three times

(09:20):
more energy to power it than an EV, which means
that obviously, if you could power an EV through solar,
you would have an incredibly efficient system heaps of texts Jack.
You do realize there's not a lot of solder generation
in winter, says Sharon. We've lived totally off the grid
for thirty five years, so I know we're talking about.
It's not the silver bullet you think. I don't think
it's a silver bullet, Sharon, especially in winter. But I

(09:42):
do think that solar could offset our energy costs in summer,
off set a little bit of the cost in winter,
and that we could put some of the money that
we spend on our energy costs in summer towards our
bills in winter. Jack. If we all went solder in
the summer time and generate heats of electricity, that would
allow the big the likes of Meridian to store more
water in the hydro lakes, keeping the price down and

(10:04):
supply good in winter, says shorn Morning Jack LJ. Here,
every new building in New Zealand should have solar heating,
no ifs or buts. Imagine how much it would help
the government if they didn't have to build more infrastructure
to be overcharged by the electricity companies. Ninety two ninety
two is our text number. If you want to get
and touch. Kevin Milon is here this morning, killer, Kevin Jack.
Have you got solo in my place?

Speaker 5 (10:25):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Have you got solar panels at your place?

Speaker 5 (10:28):
No?

Speaker 6 (10:28):
I haven't. No, No, you're on.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
The gorgeous Carbony coast, Kevin, there's no excuses. Come on,
that's right.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
No, that's true. Yeah, I just haven't got light you
up to now, I haven't been moved to do it. Yeah,
and I suppose at this end of my life, I'm thinking,
I mean, you're talking about ten years from now things happening.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I'm thinking, no, I'm not refuse to accept that for
a moment. You're you're, you're, you're as vital as I've
ever been. Kevin, come on, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
I'm thinking that my issue. They might ring a few
bells with listeners as well.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah. Well, interesting that you're also talking about energy is
slightly smaller batteries. You've been frustrated by cell phone batteries.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah, I'm wondering when we can get we can
get soldar batteries on our phones. I needed a new
battery for my iPhone eleven.

Speaker 7 (11:23):
Jack.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
It's over five years old, operating at only sixty five
percent capacity. An Apple replacement battery was going to cost
about one hundred and seventy five dollars, but a lot
cheaper than buying a new phone. So I went into
my local phone agents where I'd bought my phone in
the first place. We don't change batteries here, but we

(11:44):
can send it to the Apple workshop. I said, how
long will my phone be away? He replied two weeks?
I replied that's ridiculous, at which point the man might
have come back with a number of helpful responses, like,
if you take your phone into the workshob itself, they'll
do it for you much quicker. I don't know if

(12:05):
that's true atually, Jack, but it would have been helpful response.
Another might have been year two weeks is a long time.
We could transfer most of your day to day data
over to a loan phone if you like. Again, Jack,
I'm not saying they can do that, but that's what
top level mechanics or panel beaters do. If they need

(12:25):
to take your car for a couple of weeks, they
give you a loan car. The assistant, if you had
call him that might have even said, in a bit
of a whisper, it won't be a genuine Apple battery.
But there's the places down the mall that will sell
you an Apple copy, probably not as good as the
real thing, but cheaper, and they change it while you wait. Again,

(12:48):
I wouldn't expect to hear that, But if they've given
any of those three replies, I might still have bought
myn exsiphone off them. But all the Apple agent could
say was it is what it is, mate. I walked
to the other shop on the mall that sold the
non gen batteries. Yeah, my battery was replaced for one

(13:09):
hundred and twenty dollars, all done in the time. It
taught me to have a cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, it's such a funny system. May I've been frustrated
by exactly the same thing. And the thing I always
have to tell myself is that when you get to
the point when you need a new battery in your phone,
maybe after say two or three years, probably three years
of use, the resale of your value, the resale value
of your phone's probably not that great anyway, and so

(13:36):
just having a non branded battery probably makes economic sense.
Like I think, Okay, so I do exactly the same thing.
I go and get the I go to the shop
on the mall that has the non branded battery, right,
And so it means that when I go into my
phone and say, oh, how's the battery going, and they
say dinging ding ding, this is not an Apple battery,
and it's a bit frustrating, and it's sort of the
whole interface is designed to make you feel sort of

(13:58):
bad about the whole thing. But I always think, well,
my phone is so old and crusty anyway that it's
not going to be worth match. All I really here
about is the utility and if the if the battery
that I've got to replace it, it's out of warranty anyway.
So if the battery that I've got to replace it
works well enough, then great, I'll just stick with that.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Absolutely absolutely. Yeah, I'll tell you what that two weeks
I mean, I think I'd rather be without MYCA for
two weeks, yeah, than without my phone. That's ridiculously long
to change a battery. And I wondered to what extent
that is set like that so that people go, oh
the hell with it, I'll buy another phone.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, that's exactly what I think too. And can I
say that if you are considering a new phone because
you get frustrated with yours and you haven't had the
battery replaced before. It is well worth just going and
replacing the battery. You'd be surprised at how much batter
your phone sort of operates and stuff when it's got
a you know, and how much less frustrated you get
when you're not running out of battery. It help us,

(14:55):
help us one in the afternoon and recharging it some
times a day. It can, it can, ye, honestly, it's
it's like a lick of paint, you know, really makes
the whole.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
That's a good, great way of putting it.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, I'm glad that you are glad that you didn't
send it away. Thank you so much, Kevin ninety two,
ninety two. If you've got thoughts on that, Jack, I
went solar nine months ago, says Pete. Brilliant quality German
panels a Tesla battery. I don't think about how many
years it'll pay for itself, because it's already done that
by adding to the house value, saleability, the resale value.
Thank you for that, Pete. Heaps more messages for I'll

(15:27):
get to in a couple of minutes. We've got your
movie picks before ten o'clock, including the latest Superman film
and this film Head of State, which I think is
a John Cena and Idris Albert in it. Well, it's
got one of these ludicrous Hollywood premises in which I
think the US President and the British Prime Minister are

(15:48):
traveling on Air Force One when it's shot down behind
enemy lines.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Dun dun dan.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Something tells me that freedom is going to win. But
we'll get our We'll get our film reviewers thoughts on
that in a couple of minutes. Ursphorto is in next
twenty five past night.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on news talks.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
He'd be any eight minutes past nine on news talks,
he'd be our sport. Andrew Saville is counting down to
the All Backs second Test just after seven o'clock kickoff
tonight the Caketon in Wellington. Morning. Sav All, Jake, how
are you? I'm very well? Thank you? Are you expecting
an improved performance on last week?

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Ah?

Speaker 8 (16:30):
Yes, yes, I'm not only expecting but really demanding, urgently demanding. Yeah,
I know I said to you last week I saw
the French training in Auckland. The head of the first
Test and they went up too much. Well, they may
have been foxing because they certainly played well, but I
think the All Blacks and patches let them play well.

(16:52):
The All Blacks made far too many eras it was,
it was a typical first outing of the season. Look
to the All Blacks performance. I think in patches they
played with real pace and the handling was okay and
therefore they scored eyes. They held onto the ball for
periods of time, but otherwise they again made too many

(17:13):
handing erarors just panicked a little bit and trying to
take play that fast paced game. The kicking game was
off in large patches, a kick chase was off as well.
The one player that hasn't really been mentioned this week
who I think missing jack as Mark d'alia. Talia was
a real expert at the point chasing kicks and jumping

(17:35):
and regaining kicks when all seemed lost. You always seemed
to have this ability not only slipping the first tackle
but also coming up with the ball in unlikely situations
under the high ball. So I think they probably made
a mistake. That's the game they're looking at playing and
not selecting him. Yes, he's off to Japan later this year,
but he was still he was still eligible. The All

(17:56):
Blacks have made, you know, a few changes for injury
force changes, Patrick Tupelo two sort of swapping like for
light with Scott Barrett interested in the interested to see
rather how Billy Procter goes again at center. There were
a couple of defensive lapses, but I think he's clearly
better than that, and he's proved that for the Hurricanes

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for a number of years. And also Emoni Nudawah from
the Chiefs gets a real good opportunity on the right wing.
He was one of the form wingers of Super rugby,
only came into the All Black squad because of injury,
and now he gets a real good chance. He's had
other opportunities in the All Blacks fairly limited, I think
from memory a few years ago he was taken to
the World Cup and then didn't play because of a

(18:38):
back injury and came home early. So injuries have hampered
his performances on the international stage. So looking forward to seeing, hey,
here goes on the French side of things, more debutantes.
Ten changes. Overall, a lot of guys have never played
a game of rugby. Together in this team, so surely

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All Blacks with improvements can beat them and beat them well.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Is a real barbarians vibe, doesn't it that? Yeah, it's
a bit funny really.

Speaker 8 (19:11):
I think I said to you last week at the
training I attended in Auckland, five players turned up out
of a shuffle straight from the airport, didn't know where
they were. And I think three or four of them
are playing on tonight in Wellington fresh off that French
club final. So they may prove us wrong again. They

(19:32):
may quickly gain some sort of gelling quality together and
play well together. But surely the All Blacks again, who
have played a lot of there's a lot of guys
on this team. You started missing four or five key men,
but there's a lot of players in this team that
have played a lot of rugby together. So you would
expect once again for this side to win and win comfortably.

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English referee might have a bearing on things, and Wellington's
where they might also have a bearing.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Top text here, Sev, I'm not going to dwell on
this for long. A promise, Jack please remind Sev he
predicted last week an All Backs victory by forty points.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
I thought that'd stick well, they I think that'd stick
thirty or forty on them. They stuck thirty on on them,
but I thought they would win by thirty of forty exactly,
oh dear. And the conditions didn't they need them very
different obviously with the route, but conditions tonight might dictate
that it's not going to be a blowout like that.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
But surely with.

Speaker 8 (20:26):
Another week in camp, the All Blacks can put the
sword to this, this depleted French team.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah yeah, double heads and articles as well.

Speaker 8 (20:37):
Yeah, last Black Ferns tests before they head off to
the World Cup. It's come around quite quickly.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yes, so I thought.

Speaker 8 (20:44):
There was there was a year delay in the last
World Cup, of course, but that the World.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Cup yesterday, that that win and even part feels like yesterday.

Speaker 9 (20:53):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (20:53):
The World Cups rolled around quickly in England. So last
chance to hear the pipes for the for the Black
Ferns today. Ruby Twoey given a real good chance to
get back into this team of other Newish faces in
the squad, they should. I think the Aussies and Sevens
have troubled the Black Fund's recently been not in fifteen

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so they so their home team should have a fairly
comfortable victory there and then it's off to the World
Cup soon.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah no, I can't wait for kickoff tonight and both
those games. Thank you, sir, it's our sports Andrew several
of course, live commentary. The All Blacks in France will
be on newstalks. The'd be tonight build up from six
o'clock kickoff just after seven. Jack, we have solar hot
water panels which are great. The New Zealand government should
have more subsidies to encourage people to get sold. It'll
save money for all of us in the end. Jacket's

(21:41):
a no brainer. We're built a new house, put solar
panels on top. Right now, it's showers overcast outside. Our
solar is producing one point four killer watts. In our
house is using one point three killer watts with electric
underfloor heating, going absolute full board. Just do it. You
will be surprised at how good it is. One thing
you do notice with sola and this is like, isn't

(22:01):
it's nothing political? Like it doesn't matter if you're greeny
or if you're not or whatever. It doesn't matter how
you vote left right, blah blah blah blah blah, people
who get solo kind of come a little become a
little bit evangelical about today, like talking about how great
it is, especially if they've got the battery backup and
they can they can store it overnight. Thank you for that.
Ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us

(22:23):
a message, we've got your film picks for this week.
Next the French.

Speaker 10 (22:33):
Fast and Fast Bad j Glass Stampers, so the Jenny Blasting.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's Lord and Broken Glass. She has finally announced New
Zealand TOWO dates, so she's going to be heading to
the nine Tarmiki Makoda Auckland and the Three christ Jurge
and February next year. You can expect tickets will be
in hot demand for both of those shows. Jans flip
me a note. Jack, Can you tell me why Ethan
black At it isn't in the All Blacks?

Speaker 11 (23:08):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I can't, Jan, I don't understand it. You know that
I think it absolutely beggars belief. David Harvey should be
in there as well in my view, but never mind.
Twenty three to ten on News Talks, it'd be time
to catch up with Francesca red can Ow film reviewer
for her picks this week. Whatever, good morning. Let's begin
with the very latest and a long list of Superman

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films over the year. Over the years, this is Superman, Superman.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Is no Man.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Isn't it somehow become the focal policy and toe worlds conversation.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
I will not.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Except that dun't dun't Dan tell us about the new Superman.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
Right?

Speaker 12 (24:04):
Well, I think I took my sexteen yard this film,
and I think she summed it up really well. She went,
there is something for everyone, mum. There's a hot guy,
there's a cute dog who steals a lot of the
scenes perfect for the kids. There's lots of actions, there's
more than one superhero just in case you get a
book bought with Superman. There's geopolitics, they've got a good villain.

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There's a little bit of humor, and she's kind of right.
They throw everything at this film.

Speaker 9 (24:31):
I think over time, over the.

Speaker 12 (24:33):
Last sort of decade or so, comic book adaptations have
moved away from their source material. But actually I think
with this film they really embrace it. It does have
quite a cartoonish feel to it, and also it embraces it, kind.

Speaker 9 (24:47):
Of acknowledges its origins.

Speaker 12 (24:48):
A lot more like the graphics are very much like
the original sort of comic book graphics, and they use
music that we've heard before in Superman film. So they're
really kind of trying to read the old, celebrate its origins,
but present it to us kind of in a fresh
new way. You know, this is the beginning of the
DC Universe. So the DC Universe is going to be

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like the Marvel comic Universe.

Speaker 9 (25:12):
It's been set up and.

Speaker 12 (25:17):
Run by James Gunn and a guy called Peter Saffron.
So James Gunn is a director. You will know him
as the guy who brought us the superb Guardians of
the Galaxy franchise, and he's got together with Peter Saffron.
They are running this new studio, DCU, and this is
kind of a big film to come out of it.

Speaker 9 (25:36):
So we're looking at this going okay.

Speaker 12 (25:37):
Where they're going to take this because Jack, there's a
little bit of comic book hero fatigue out there, you know,
Marvel really kind of did really take it to as
far as it could and we all got a bit
like it's another comic book hero film. It's the same
as the last, very overblown, very much reliant on cgi la.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
La la la la.

Speaker 12 (25:55):
So what they're trying to do here is they're trying
to They've lightened it up a bit. It's not like
some of the darker kind of adaptations. It's light, it's fun,
it's entertaining. There is a lot going on, whether it's
within the story. We've kind of got these, you know. There's,
as I mentioned, geopolitical issue here. There's a Superman gets

(26:19):
involved in a foreign conflict, he gets in trouble for you,
it's government, he loses a battle for the first time,
he's got to repair a rip in the universe. He's
holding down a day job as well, Jack, you do
a lot of jobs. And then he's struggling to control
this dog Crypto, who is absolutely delightful. So there's all
that going on. But what they also do is that
they kind of show us that Superman's going through some
internal battles as well, and he learns a little bit

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more about.

Speaker 9 (26:43):
Why his parents sent him to Earth and what their intention.

Speaker 12 (26:45):
Is, and it's not what he thought. So suddenly he
too is thrown into sort of an existential crisis.

Speaker 9 (26:51):
He's like, what am I here? When's my purpose? Who
am I? You know? And he very much identifies as human.

Speaker 12 (26:56):
You know, he goes to all the same sort of
he feels that he lives his life and feels the
same sort of things as humans and things.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
So they've done a really nice balance.

Speaker 12 (27:03):
Here of providing you with what you expect, you know,
collapsing buildings and Metropolis falling over and all the action,
and they've struggling, you know, some extra superheroes at us,
because James Gunn loves an ensemble cast, so there's you know,
we've got a great little mix here of the Justice
Gang joining Supman. But then there's also sort of this
internal battle going on which kind of tries to give

(27:24):
the film a little bit of heart and things.

Speaker 9 (27:26):
I didn't get caught up. It didn't kind of tug
on me, tug on the heartstrings. I didn't get emotional
over it. It's two hours and nine minutes long. It
could have been two hours.

Speaker 12 (27:34):
That would have been perfect. It's good and it's refreshing.
It's not probably great, It's probably.

Speaker 9 (27:40):
Not in the top echelon of comic book.

Speaker 12 (27:42):
Heroes, but it's I'm really interested to see what they
do going forward with this.

Speaker 9 (27:47):
I'm interested. They've got my intention. I like what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Ok yeah, cool, Okay, so that's Superman that's showing in
cinemas at the moment. I add on Prime Video at
the moment, starring John Senna and Idris Elba have a
listen to heads of state.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's the Prime Minister, it's the president.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
For debut?

Speaker 9 (28:05):
Do it?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
What's that?

Speaker 7 (28:10):
Can't be good?

Speaker 11 (28:12):
That?

Speaker 13 (28:13):
Eit a minute?

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I have something to say.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Right over. This sounds like a cerebral watch Francesca.

Speaker 12 (28:21):
Look, I did, yes, I did not have much hope
for this. And actually, when I finished watching this film, Jack,
I thought they should have.

Speaker 9 (28:27):
Put this out on the big screen. Would have I
think it would have for me?

Speaker 12 (28:31):
Yeah, because no, no, But it embraces its absurdity and
it has a blast with it, and it's kind of
got inventive, and it's got some interestingly shot action, like
it's not a normal streaming film where they're trying.

Speaker 9 (28:43):
A big budget at it.

Speaker 12 (28:44):
But it feels a bit lazy, sort of made a
bit of an effort here, which sh took me by
surprise too. So it's an action thriller, a buddy flick.
John Senner is an actor turned President of the US.
Idris Albert is the Prime Minister of the UK. They
do not get on, they do not have a good relationship.
They decide to try and fix it by taking a
trip together on Air Force one to a meeting. An

(29:04):
Air Force one is shot down and they fell them
They find themselves in the Belarussian woods. Takes a while
to kind of click into it, takes a while to
get there, but these two work really really well together
and then they're sort of thrown in. They have sort
of thrown in some relevant agendas of the day. So
they're heading to a NATO meeting. There are speeches on

(29:25):
NATO's value as a peacekeeping force. They talk about the
idea that NATO has been holding up Europe and America
doesn't want to do that anymore. So they're sort of
looking at quite a lot of the political issues which
are taking place right now. So I thought you made
a bit of an effort. But yeah, the script's okay.
It is quite funny at times. The action's great as
I see, quite innovatively shot at times, and the two

(29:46):
were charming together. So for what it is, it's a
silly action comedy, but they kind of pull it off, okay, guys. Yeah,
so if you're looking for some If you're going, oh
my gosh, we've just got to be finally got the
end of the holidays, we've survived, and you just need
to crash this weekend.

Speaker 9 (29:59):
You got prime Yeah, give it a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's a bit of fun. Okay, Yeah, Like see here
I was being all kind of hoity toity about it,
but maybe maybe a bit of escapism and escapism done
well is actually the sort of thing we should be embracing. Okay,
thank you, Francesca. So that's Heads of State, that's on
Prime video. Superman is showing in cinemas and after ten o'clock.
If you can't be bothered leaving a couch this weekend
and you're looking for something good, we're going to tell

(30:22):
you about a new documentary you can stream at home
called Jaws at fifty. As the name suggests, it's a
look back at Jaws, the film, which is now fifty
years old, and the kind of various production issues, but
also the incredible social cultural impact that that movie has had.
I don't know, would Jaws have had more of a

(30:43):
cultural impact than any other film since I reckon There's
probably a good argument to be made that a had
day so anyway, we'll tell you about that after ten
o'clock this morning. In our screen time segment, Jack Ethan
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Morning Jack Great Shows, says Gary. Why don't the government
get all schools a subsidy to put solar panels on
their roots? There are big open buildings. They would save
costs for schools. There'd be a surplus to the great
to win for everyone. Please push the solution, Polly, says Jack.
In the UK, they've got solar panels a little charge
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(31:46):
She says they're absolutely brilliant. There's miserable weather up there
all the time in winter, less light than here, much
fewer sunny days, and yet they're generating heaps of electricity.
Thank you for that, Polly. I mean, this is the
thing about the solar technology, right, it just gets first
of all, gets cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and cheaper
and cheaper, and the technology gets better and better and
better and more efficient. So I think like a sol
a panel today, a domestic solar panel today has one

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fifth of the amount of silver that you needed for
the same solar panel in twenty ten. And so when
you think about all of the kind of and the
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lithium deposits that have been discovered in the last few
years are vast compared to what existed previously, which means
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Speaker 4 (32:48):
I'm solar powered. Solar powered have been for about four
or five years now. When I first got it, I
can tell you it felt so expensive to me. I
don't have a battery, so it doesn't store. But I'll
tell you what, as soon as I got it, I
couldn't stop grinning. It felt like the most obvious thing
in the world.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Really.

Speaker 14 (33:05):
I just it, honestly, just.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
I just wandered around my house for the next few days.
That's worn off, of course, otherwise for putting me away,
but I just thought this makes so much sense. It's
ridiculous that we don't capture the sunlight. Yeah, absolutely crazy. Yeah,
I think it's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Do I ask, what's a power bill for you in
the middle of winter today?

Speaker 11 (33:24):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (33:25):
Probably round two twenty something like that.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Pretty high guess as well?

Speaker 4 (33:30):
I run, okay, everything's electric. That's my car, that's my everything.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, okay, well, okay, so you've got a car and
a spar pole okay, and no battery. You should get
a battery.

Speaker 14 (33:41):
I think I should get a battery. I need the battery. Yeah, no, no, I.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Think I should get a battery. Definitely would be great
to have it stored. And especially yesterday because we had
a power cut, yes, and that would have been and
stead couldn't boil my kettle for my cup of tea
or to make my pies.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Okay, let's talk those pies. Moroccan spice lamb pies.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah, I'm in training. Actually, I'm in training freeding pies.
Because on the twenty fourth of July, as the announced
recently announced celebrity celebrity judge for the twenty seventh Bakl's
New Zealand, so pree wild that's me. I will be
oh fax somethud. It is a huge honor. So we

(34:20):
we've got five hundred that will be over five thousand
pies getting judged on, you know.

Speaker 14 (34:24):
And so I'm in training for eating them.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
So and I knew that you were just coming back
to our fair shawls, and I thought, what better than
a pie? So I've made you a Moroccan spiced lamb
pie and so good.

Speaker 14 (34:36):
And here's what I do.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
I just make up this beautiful, soft, tender lamb filling
by sorting some onions and some olive oil adding in
die slam.

Speaker 14 (34:44):
And I just happened to have two lamb rumps hanging
around in my.

Speaker 15 (34:46):
Freezer, so I defausted those.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
I used about eight hundred grams I suppose of lamb.
Because I had so much lamb, I decided not to
pad it out with anything like carrots or salary. But
you could if you wanted to kind of go a
little bit easier on the lamb content.

Speaker 14 (35:01):
Why would you.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
You could also put some lentils in there, but I
didn't do that there. I just went onions, lamb, cloves
of garlic, Oh so good. And then I threw in
a whole lot of beautiful spices that really kind of
have this heady a Roman and really reminded me of Morocco.
When I was there, I put one heat teaspoon of
turmeric power powder, and then one teaspoon each of coriander powder,

(35:23):
ground cumin, and paprika. I didn't use smoke create precreade
to use the hot one to give a little bit
of heat, and I used half a teaspoon of ground ginger.

Speaker 14 (35:32):
I also threw.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
In a cinnamon stick, but my cinnamon sticks are so
old that there was belly any flavor from the cinnamon,
So I do recommend using a little bit of cinnamon.

Speaker 14 (35:41):
That was still delicious.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
One teaspoon of sea salt, lamb love salt and you
don't want to sort of flavorless pie, and a quarter
of a teaspoon of white pepper, and four hundred grams
of crushed tomatoes. They all went into a pot, and
then I kind of topped up that pot till just
about covered with water. You could use stock as well,
but I didn't bother and I just cooked it away
for about an hour until everything was melting into each other.

(36:06):
Those onions have melted the beautiful lamb as and then
I kind of did a bit of a pulled lamb.
I just sort of I didn't really want chunks of it,
so I left a couple of chunks in me, but
I just kind of thought so that was sort of
you know, puled lamb.

Speaker 14 (36:18):
Shredded it a little bit, and then I just cooled that.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
And that's the key to making a good pie is
putting cool filling into a pastry case. If you put
hot filling in it melts the pastry straight away, and
you're bound to get a soggy bottom.

Speaker 14 (36:30):
On the pie.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
So look, I preheated my oven to one hundred and
ninety degrees and I popped a tray into heat, and
then I've got some lovely little old fashioned pie tins.
But you could use a Texas muffin tin.

Speaker 14 (36:42):
You could make one big pie whatever you like. Line
it with pastry, throw that cold filling in there. And
then I rolled out.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Very thin lids on it because I like to go
minimum pastry maximum filling, brushed it with eggsh and sealed
it well around the edges. A couple of slashes in
the top of your eyes always let a bit of
that air escape. I sprinkled over some beautiful little cuban
seeds and then I probably cooked them for about forty minutes.
They were delicious, absolutely and not aught time.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Amazing.

Speaker 14 (37:14):
Yeah, so I didn't even need to use any thickener
or anything.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah, because the lamb.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
And the fat sort of did the trick of that.
Do leave your pie for ten minutes for ease of
eating after this once. It's tricky, but yes, how many
hot pies have you You don't really enjoy the process.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I know yourself immediately.

Speaker 14 (37:34):
Yeah, yeah, pies, I love them.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I love amaz. Okay, well, we're going to make sure
the recipe is up at Newstalks headb dot co dot
in so everyone can cook along at home as well.
Thank you so much, Nick, and congratulations on your appointment.
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We've had solar panels no battery had them for about
ten years. In the peak of summer, we are selling
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over whatever we save using solar, so that's pretty decent.
Our low power months are ninety to one hundred dollars,
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Maren Morris is a country music superstar. She's a Grammy winner,
a five time winner at the Country Music Awards. She's
broken all sorts of records with the music. She's written
songs for artists like Kellie Clarkson and Tim McGaw and
she is entering a new era in her life and
career with her latest album, Dreamsicle. Maren is heading to

(39:44):
New Zealand next year to ride the country music wave
that's sweeping our nation and joins us this morning. Kilda, Maren,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (39:52):
That's good to be here. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, it's great to be chatting. You're sort of in
a kind of new era of life a little bit
with Dreamsicle. So tell us what is a dreamsicle and
what does a what is a dreamsicle? Kind of presimed,
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 13 (40:09):
I didn't even think about that. Y'all probably don't have
those over there. So a dreamsicle is like an ice
cream cone, and at least there's different variations. There's like
a cream cicle. But then in Texas where I grew up,
we were on a could a stack street, so that
ice cream truck would go by in the summertime and

(40:29):
I would always get out of you know, the hundred
pictures of options, I would get the dreamsicle. So, I mean,
that's been in my head for a long time, obviously
as like a nostalgia thing, like a childhood thing. But
I named the record after that because, well, there's a
song on the record called Dreamsicle that I wrote, and
it's just about you know, things that are you know, wonderful,

(40:52):
like are fleeting and we know that. But I think
just not mourning it too soon and just really being
present in the moment and enjoying what's in your hands. Yeah,
at that time is way more fruitful then trying to
like rush through it or like more that it's over
while it's still happening. Like I kind of fall into

(41:13):
that trap a lot. So it's just my own reminder
to myself to just stay present and enjoy like the
good and the bad things as they're happening, because it
all ends.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, that's such a good message and kind of a
universal message, right, like about trying to to be present
and observe that the multitude of kind of emotions and
things that you have in life. But I can imagine
that for someone like you, given how busy you are
and given all the directions you're being pulled in, that
must be really difficult.

Speaker 13 (41:43):
Yeah, I think when things are, you know, going well,
but you're also constantly you know, I'm always on the
road traveling or on tour, so it's like some days
I don't even know what city I'm in until I
step off the bus, and there's just there's a sort
of disorienting nature to that. But then also like the
tour will end or an album cycle will end, and

(42:03):
I'll be like that was fun, but I really like
it was all kind of blurring together because it's just
I'm not taking stock of each moment and some you know,
I think we all kind of are guilty of that.
That's a normal human experience. But no, I mean like
I'm so lucky and that I get to do this
thing that I love for a living. But yeah, it

(42:24):
does like it's a daily practice to just be appreciative
of it and be in the moment.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah. So the good news is that we have popsicles
in New Zealand, so we don't have cream cicles. We
have popsicles, which is kind of like an ice lolly,
I think. But but what does the Dream Circle have?
Does they have like the chocolate bars coming out or
is there like frosting that goes on top or something.

Speaker 13 (42:46):
It's actually like sort of an orange cream type of
ice cream.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
But controversial orange ice cream.

Speaker 13 (42:56):
I mean oranges and cream. Is it's a good combo.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
But I refreshing. I can see that. I can see
that it would be a refreshing option. And like you say,
you know, as a kid, you kind of you work
out what your favorites are pretty quickly.

Speaker 13 (43:12):
Yeah, you definitely like know what you don't like. But no,
for me, I don't know, I mean I love like
a popsicle for sure, But I mean that just like
felt so summary to me and very like reminiscent evocative
of like my hometown where I grew up in Texas.
So yeah, it's sort of like my I don't know,

(43:33):
maybe miss home for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah. I think the thing that's kind of noticeable with
Dreams to Called the album is that the sound of
the album is a little bit different, not in a
huge way, like you can still you can kind of
still see your your your roots coming through, but obviously
there's a bit of a different sound there. So how
do you kind of balance your natural inclinations towards what
might be deemed as a kind of country sound with

(43:57):
also wanting to blend in some other genres.

Speaker 13 (44:01):
I mean, I think that just comes down to, like, well,
I listened to so many different types of music even
so I think the way that I sing and the
way that I write my lyrics is very country leaning
because that's like how I learned to write songs. But
I really wanted to push myself with the sound of
this album, so I wanted to work with producers that

(44:23):
really challenged me. So that's like, you know, with Jack Antonoff,
Evan Blair, Joel Little, who's a New Zealander. Yeah, and
then like Naomi McPherson from Muna doing like cry in
the Car, Push Me Over. You know, there's a pretty
wide array of people that are getting these new feelings

(44:46):
out of me. And yeah, so I think it's probably
like sonically the most diverse record I've put out because
I worked with so many different friends on this project.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
And so that the kind of inclination that drives the
sonic changes that comes more from the producer influence, you
think than the different music that you're listening to personally.

Speaker 9 (45:07):
I mean, it's.

Speaker 13 (45:07):
Probably a blend of both, but I think I'm really
I think because I learned to write songs in Nashville,
and like the collaborative process is me like coming in
as a writer that even though we could be writing
about something I'm going through emotionally that day, I still
want to come in and collaborate and you know, share

(45:30):
the message with the people I'm in the room with.
So you have to leave your ego at the door
to get the best possible thing. And so I think, yeah,
just there's a lot of like humbling and like give
and take I do with whoever I'm working with, And
I think it's just it could be the weather that day,
it could be how I'm feeling, it could be the

(45:52):
combination of people I'm working with. But I mean every song,
every song is a different mood depending on all those variables.
So I think, like you're going to hear every influence
I have come out however I'm feeling. But also, yeah,
the producer, the other writers bring out a ton of

(46:13):
differences in me, and I think that's why I love,
you know, my sort of people I always come back to,
and I love writing with on every record. But then
also I like meeting new people and figuring a new
thing out about myself that maybe like I had not
accessed before.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, it's like a process of kind of unlocking these
other frontiers or something like that. So Joel Little is
a friend of our show, so he's been on before.
We love Joel Little in New Zealandia. I feel like
we plot every single like stage in his career. So
tell us about tell us about your experience working with y'all.

Speaker 13 (46:47):
Oh my gosh, I mean, he's just such a dream
and so kind and funny and like, you know, I
think the first time we wrote. I mean, I think
it was Cut, which is the song I wrote with
Joel and Julia Michaels and Julia is a duet on
the song. But I just remember he sent the demo back,

(47:09):
and obviously I'm well aware of his his work. He's
an extremely talented, successful writer, producer. But I was just
so blown away when he sent the Cut demo back,
and yeah, I was just like pleased. Any time you're
back in LA, I would love to get on your books.
And yeah, we ended up writing Too Good. I think

(47:33):
that next time he was back in the States, and
I just I'm obsessed with him. I love that he
takes my wacky ideas because Cut and Two Good are
very different from each other, even though Joel you know,
wrote and produced them both with me. But I think that, Yeah,
that's like the fun part is he is just game

(47:54):
for whatever I throw at him when I walk into
the session, and he just executes it brilliantly. Like it's
just he's so so talented and so like so kind.
Maybe it's a maybe it's a New Zealand thing you
were just really did on Earth Human.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I'd like to say that, But
I think Joel's one of a card definitely. It's amazing
the extent to which he gives back to musicians and
the kind of you know, underground music community in New
Zealand as well. He's done so much for up and
coming musicians in New Zealand. You toured with the Czechs,
who have actually also also been on the show before.
So how was How was that? I mean we think

(48:31):
of them as being kind of trial blazing and outspoken
in these defining figures within country music. How was How
was your experience?

Speaker 13 (48:40):
I mean incredible? We did Canada and Europe UK with them,
and I mean they're my heroes. Like I remember they're
from uh, North Texas as well. So like when they
put out that first album in like nineteen ninety eight,
I think it was like wide open spaces. I mean,

(49:00):
I obviously it was huge, but I was just so
that really like opened my mind to the possibilities of
you know, songwriting, of musicianship, because they're all incredible musicians,
like multi instrumentalists. Natalie's voice is just so like no

(49:21):
one else on this planet sounds like her. There's just
and then just the three of them together, I mean,
it's just such a powerful collaboration, and I just I
also love that they really champion songwriters like the Dicksie
or the Chicks are how I discovered Patty Griffin, who's
like one of my favorite artists songwriters heroes of all time,

(49:44):
and that's only because the Chicks recorded her song let
Him Fly. And so yeah, I just love that they
like truly love songwriters and they are incredible songwriters themselves.
But yeah, being on the road with them was just
such a dream. And they uh outside of their music,
their allyship, they're just going against the grain and sticking

(50:09):
like really just staying within their morals so powerfully, like
over decades. It's just such a testament to like what
they believe in and just what good people they are.
So yeah, it was definitely one of the most like
fun tours I've gotten to do because they mean so

(50:29):
much to me.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, yeah, they're incredible, like courageous women. It's yeah, I
can see that would have been so special. So I
think you were here in twenty eighteen right with Niale Horn.
I reckon when you get to New Zealand, you're going
to be like, whoa things have changed in New Zealand
in that country music here is so big right now,
Like it's crazy the kind of the kind of change

(50:53):
that's happened in just the last couple of years. So
I wonder what's your sceense, Like, do you have any
kind of thoughts or ideas as to why country music
is stretching so far beyond its original or roots and
connecting with different audiences at the moment.

Speaker 13 (51:11):
I mean, you'd have to tell me, like in New Zealand,
like what kind of country music is resonating?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I mean, so I would say country music in the
broadest sense, but even little things right like we've got
brand new like iHeart streaming stations that are focused on
country because there's such a demand for a range of
country music at the moment that maybe didn't exist, you know,
you know, say ten years ago. And I don't know
if it's the lyricism or the storytelling or something about

(51:43):
the musicality itself, but clearly there's like a growing audience
of people in New Zealand who might never have thought
they would ever listen to anything that could be deemed
to be country music, who are really seeking it out
at the moment. And I think, I mean the sense
I get is that it's happening and lots of places
around the world.

Speaker 13 (52:00):
Yeah, it's definitely like a popular or mainstream genre of
music because I mean, like when I was in junior
high school, even in Texas, it was a very small
group of like teenagers that would admit to listening to
country music, Like it wasn't considered cool at that time.

(52:21):
Like it's so different now. I think also with like
social media and younger people's access to it has also
made it this worldwide genre and not just something that
the States has. But now I mean, like I think
people crave authenticity and that's kind of the bedrock of

(52:44):
the lyricism and storytelling of country music. But it's also
like it's an incredibly diverse genre, and I think like
every you know, ten years, like there's some genre that
becomes like more mainstream. I feel like for you know,
a very long time, and still is it is like

(53:04):
hip hop and R and B and country like was
sort of waiting in the wings for a while, and
now it's like, you know, on charts that aren't just
dedicated to its own genre, like it's on you know,
mainstream charts. But no, I mean I think Yeah, it's
just and there's more, you know, collaboration, like artists sort

(53:24):
of like cross genre being on each other's songs, like
duets that crossover. Like I mean, this isn't a country song,
but I was a country artist when I jumped on
the Middle in twenty eighteen, and it brought a ton
of people to my work because you know, even though

(53:46):
I was successful in the States and like parts of UK,
like it wasn't you know, in Australia and so like
when I was boring with Nile, I think The Middle
had just come out and people knew that song. So
it felt like, okay, like it's introducing my work that's
been you know, predominantly country and on country charts to

(54:07):
the world through this like eight M pop song.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (54:11):
So yeah, I think music is just all around right now,
like extremely diverse and collaborative and you know, cross pollinated.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
That's a very smart analysis and a very very good,
a very good word for it. Look, we're so delighted
with Dreamsicle and so so pleased that you're going to
be headlining in New Zealand. I just hope that you're
going to carve out like a couple of days somewhere
so you can have a vacation while you're hear I
have some days.

Speaker 13 (54:37):
Off like buffering in between, but no, I mean I'm
so excited. I feel like when I was there last,
we had a day off and we went on the
ferry to like the vineyards the Windy Island.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 13 (54:55):
Definitely need to carve out a day for that because
that was that was a dream.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
It's all about being present, you know. This is that
you got to lean into the dreams ethos here.

Speaker 13 (55:05):
Yees, be present and your wine drunk.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Hey, it's such a pleasure to speak. I know how
busy you are, so we really appreciate it. All the
very best with Dreamsicle, and we cannot wait to have
you in New Zealand soon.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (55:18):
I can't wait to be there. I'm counting it on
the days.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
So good. That is Maren Morris. She is coming to
New Zealand. Tickets for her Dreamsicle tour are available through Ticketmaster.
We've got all the deats up at newstalkshadb dot co
dot in seed in a couple of minutes. If you're
looking for something good to watch or stream at your
place this weekend, a nice weekend on the couch. Good news.
We've got three fantastic shows to recommend in our screen
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Speaker 1 (55:44):
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Speaker 2 (55:53):
Jack loved your interview with Maren Morris. She's an absolute
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He'd be to our award. Join us at this time
every week with her three picks for shows to watch
or stream at home. Hey Tara, good morning. Let's begin

(56:14):
this morning for the show streaming on Netflix. From the
creator of the series Girls, tell us about too.

Speaker 16 (56:19):
Much and this is a new romantic comedy series and
as you say, created and directed by Lenna Dunham, who
is best known for her HBO series Girls, which was
a series about four women living in New York and
it was a very sharp, funny, brutal look female friendship.
And now Lenna Dunham has taken that kind of sensibility
to the rom com. This is about Jess, who is

(56:41):
in her thirties. She's living in New York and she
takes a new job in London to escape a bad breakup.
And Jess loves English rom coms, and so when she
moves to the UK, she expects her new life to
be something right out of notting Hill or love. Actually,
she meets a musician, they fall in love, and they
have to work through a lot of cultural clashes and expectations.

(57:03):
And the interesting thing about Too Much is that it's
based on Lena Dunham's own real life experience of moving
to the UK and falling in love with a musician
who she went on to marry, So there's quite a
lot of her own story woven through this. And it
also has this amazing cast Richardie Grant, Jennifer Saunders, Naomi Watts,
Rita Wilson, Andrew Scott. She's pulled in some real superstar

(57:24):
power here. But don't go into this thinking it is
a Richard Curtis film. This is funny and there are
moments of sweetness, but it's also quite blunt at times,
and there's always a bit of an underlying bleakness to
Lena Dunnan's work, and the characters can be hard to
like sometimes and you can feel that here. But if
you want a rom com with a bit of a
bite to it, this is definitely worth us.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
That's okay, cool, that's too much. That's on Netflix, on
Disney plus Jaws at fifty.

Speaker 16 (57:50):
Yeah, it's fifty years since the movie Jaws was released,
and this is a really fascinating documentary about how Steven
Spielberg made this movie and how Jaws changed movies forever.
This was the first ever big budget American summer blockbuster
that encouraged a real visceral experience for the audience, and
so the documentary talks to a lot of people who

(58:13):
were involved in the film, the actors and as well
as director Steven Spielberg, who looks back on what was
a really difficult film to make. It went millions of
a budget, It took longer to film than it was
supposed to. The boats sank while they were filming. The
shark didn't work eighty percent of the time. He thought
this was going to be the last movie he ever made.
It was considered to be a disaster until it became

(58:35):
a hit, and so it's amazing to look back from
where we are today, where we rely on CGI and
special effects, to see how they made this film and
how powerful the simplicity of it actually is. I don't
think I've ever seen all of Jaws. I think I
chickened out pretty early on, but I still really enjoyed this.
It's quite a niche, but it's a snapshot of time

(58:56):
about what was going on in American culture in the
nineteen seventies and the impact that the film had, particularly
on shark numbers. You know that Shark Hunting became a
huge after Jaws, and it was the first big blockbuster
movie that sort of changed everything for film. So, you know,
really interesting documentary.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, nice, Okay, looking forward to seeing that. It's yours
at fifty The Definitive Inside Story its on Disney Plus
and on tv Z Plus and YouTube. Speaking of anniversaries,
it is twenty years since Outrageous Fortune hit our screens.

Speaker 16 (59:26):
Yeah, twenty years today. This was Outrageous Fortune, the New
Zealand series that starred Robin Malcolm as the matriarch of
the West family, who were a career a family of
career criminals living in west Auckland who decided to go
straight and try and live an honest life, and it
was a lot harder than they thought it would be
and outrageous fortune captured our hearts in a way that

(59:47):
no other New Zealand show had done before. We hadn't
made anything like it. It was deliberately in your face.
There was lots of sex and swearing and bad behavior,
but it also had these characters that we recognized and
fell in love with, and it was funny to It
made us laugh at ourselves in a way that we
hadn't before. And so I've been rewatching it again twenty
years on and it still holds up. I mean, there

(01:00:08):
are moments where you think, well, you know, I don't
know if that would pass today, or that might not
work in twenty twenty five. But at the core of it,
it's the story about a New Zealand family who are
trying to be good, trying to get ahead, and that
still resonates twenty years on. So all six seasons are
on TVNZ plus. If you have friends and family outside
of New Zealand who want to watch SPP. South Pacific

(01:00:30):
Pictures have put all six seasons up on YouTube, so
every episode is up there. You can watch it wherever
you are in the world and just enjoy a bit
of classic New Zealand teleibision.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah, such a good recommendation, Thank you, Tara. So those
shows once Again, Too Much is the one by Elena
Dunham that's on Netflix. Jaws at Fifties on Disney Plus,
Outrageous Fortune is on TV and z Plus and YouTube
for anyone who's out of the country. All of those
recommendations will of course be on the news doalg 'b website.
It's just after ten.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on Newstalks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
B is a Beauty.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
Life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
There were whispers, there were whispers. In fact, even I'd
heard the whispers, which is saying something. But the whispers
and the rumors were all proved true last night when
Justin Bieber dropped an entire twenty one song album. His
album is called Swag. It's the seventh album from the
former tween idol Jbeebes, a title which he puts some

(01:01:52):
work into dropping. He was keen to adjust his image
from cheesy heart throb into a leading figure in the
pop zeitgeist. And there's no denying. He is a massive star.
He's a household name globally, but how well his music
stacks up to his reputation in a critical sense at least,
has always been debatable. His fourth album, Purpose was a

(01:02:13):
big shift towards justin finding his musical identity. That was
back in twenty fifteen, though ten years ago a lot
of people felt like he's kind of slid back into
more of a generic pop sound in the time since.
So we're going to have a bit of a listen
this morning. We'll save some time before midday, make sure
we have a little bit of a listen to a
couple of tracks from Swag so we can decide whether

(01:02:34):
or not it delivers. Our music reviewer at Cel Clifford
has been listening tirelessly to those twenty one albums overnight
so she can bring us her analysis of Swag. The
album will have that very shortly before eleven o'clock. They
were in the garden. This is the time of year,
depending on how things are at your place, when if
you are thinking about moving a sapling or moving a tree,

(01:02:55):
now's the time to do it. Much better to do
it now when water is abundant than in the middle
of summer, so our man in the garden is going
to give us his tips on doing that. Right now,
it's twenty four to eleven on news Dog Seed be
putting the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 17 (01:03:11):
It looks like Doc is going to do a u
turnover those lizards. They initially told mccray's mine in Central
Otago no, they couldn't expand ten thousand lizards might die.
But then after media attention yesterday, they've taken another look
at the application. Thamma Paultucker is the conservation Minister and
with us, is it going to be a yes?

Speaker 7 (01:03:26):
Well, that's the matter that Doc and Oceana worked on
at a very productive meeting. I expect that they're going
to progress that application very swiftly.

Speaker 17 (01:03:33):
Did you tell Doc to have another look at it?

Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
I found out about this matter, and I've said to
dot for what has happened here, but that in fessed up.
There was a miscommunication. They weren't clear about information requirements
and they declined it too quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Hither duplessy Ellen on the mic Hosking Breakfast back Monday
from six am with the land Rover Discovery on News
Talks dB.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Twenty one to eleven on News Talks here Bear Course
Newsalks TB is going to have live coverage of the
All Blacks vers France the second test in Wellington this evening,
but it's a double heat. You got the Black Ferns
and Australian. So Lee's took me a note to say, Jack,
where can I hear coverage of that game? Gold Sport's
going to have coverage of that this afternoon, So if
you want to enjoy the double head of both games
this afternoon, that is the place to go. Thank you, Lee.

(01:04:14):
I'll get to more of your messages about soul A
Power in a couple of minutes as well. We have
had so many texts and emails about that this morning,
but right now it is time to catch up with
our texpert, Paul Stenhouse is our man with the weekly
updates from the tech world, and Paul, it's been a
bit of a worrying week in terms of development for AI.
This week we've put acrossed another little threshold. The US

(01:04:35):
Secretary of State has been impersonated using AI.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Yeah, very worrying.

Speaker 18 (01:04:40):
I mean we've talked about this technology in the past
of it being available, you sort of can just take
clips of people's voices, right, and you don't even need
that munch You figure, like someone like Michael Rubio, who's
been around microphones for a very long time in uish politics,
You've got a lot of clips to use, and you
can upload the and you can very easily and quickly

(01:05:02):
create realistic sounding voices, complete less synthetically. And this week
news broke that his voice had been used and three
foreign ministers, a US governor, and a member of Congress
all received outreach from this fake Marco Rubio. Now something

(01:05:23):
was amiss, and I think they knew that, and obviously
this is why it was reported, but very scary stuff.
And they did it using the encrypted app Signal. And
why that's interesting to me is that if you're if
you're in the political circle, you would know that Marco
Rubio uses Signal for US government actions because he was

(01:05:46):
caught with j D Varnsenco talking about bombings on Signal
in a group chat. And so these foreign leaders or
other leaders in government got an account popped up on
their device and said, hey, this person wants to chat
with you, and on Signal you can see anything you
want as your username. So what they did is they

(01:06:06):
put in like Marco dot Rubio at state dot gov,
which you can type anything you want in there. You
could be Donald dot trumpet whenever you want.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
It to be.

Speaker 18 (01:06:13):
So they got this thing and it said, you know,
you've got a message from Marca Rubio. They got a
voice note from Marco Rubio, some of them got text messages.
You wouldn't know if it was him or not. Like
we're definitely at a point now where how do you
know that it is or isn't MARKA Rubio?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Do you reckon there's anything, there's anything that that we're
going to be able to do, like a kind of
verifying like a bona fide impenetrable, safe verifying process for
communications and things in the future. It's sort of hard
to imagine a world in which they'll design something that
will be that comprehensive.

Speaker 18 (01:06:46):
A yeah, and then how it's probably easy to foil, right,
like someone can just like mess with the signature or like,
I think that the thing that we're going to see
is this like end to end encryption type stuff where
you identify the device and you may be able to
identify the device by which someone is sending you something.

Speaker 15 (01:07:04):
Right, that may be the way we go.

Speaker 18 (01:07:08):
It's it's gonna be tough. I mean, you hear of
those crazy stories. I don't know if you've ever done
this in your journalistic training of hostile environment training and things,
but you hear of cases where high profile people have
certain words and phrases that they use if they were
ever to be taken hostage, or we have to be
in situations where certain phrases or certain answers to questions

(01:07:30):
mean or trigger certain things, right, right, And so I
don't know, maybe we're at the point where if you
and I are talking, it's like, hey, if we talk
about a particular thing, or I say, hey, how are you,
you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
The sky islahoma yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:07:45):
Or something weird, like yeah, the cat's really not well
at the moment, I don't know, like, oh, I know
it's Jack, the cat's not well.

Speaker 14 (01:07:51):
Like maybe we're at that point.

Speaker 18 (01:07:52):
I truly don't know. But yeah, the fact that these
people got this and you know, made it that far
is kind of scary.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
That's really intriguing, as it's going to be a huge challenge,
I think, and and like you say that, you know,
this is just the tip of the icebo. You can
imagine all the kinds of applications that this could be
used to to impersonate leaders or banks or whatever in
the future. It's going to be pretty concerning. Hey, Samsung
is exploring new wearables, so technology that will use AI

(01:08:22):
and could kind of replace smartphones or be the new smartphone.

Speaker 18 (01:08:27):
Yeah, they said this week that they're investigating a whole
range of things, and I thought the list was kind
of interesting. Honestly, Samsung does some really cool stuff. We
talk a lot about Apple and they are a big, trilling,
multi three trilling dollar company, but man, Samsung really does
push the mark whan. They've got like the folding iPhones.
Folding iPhones listen to me, the folding phones that you

(01:08:47):
know turn out into like a tablet. Very cool stuff
they are. They definitely lead the way. They're one of
the first with smart watches, and so now they're thinking
what could we do and they're looking at glasses like everybody.
But they're also thinking about AI enabled airrings.

Speaker 15 (01:09:04):
Which I thought was really interesting.

Speaker 18 (01:09:06):
Yeah, what do you like You've got like a little
kind of computer attached to you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
I'm not convinced by that way. It's yeah, it's more
like you.

Speaker 18 (01:09:12):
It's it's we know that close enough that it could
be used as a microphone. We could probably do some
interesting things with a speaker.

Speaker 14 (01:09:17):
It's interesting, interesting take.

Speaker 18 (01:09:19):
Also looking at watches, rings, we've kind of seen some
of that, but also a necklace. Maybe you could make
the necklace style show. I don't know if you've ever realized,
if you watch as much reality TV as I do, Jack,
that they've started to give reality TV stars on these
shows necklaces.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Oh, because I put the microphone once, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:09:39):
And you know so then it doesn't look like you're
watching like someone. But they've all got these kind of
somewhat ridiculous looking necklaces. Maybe that'll be what we all say,
kind of like Love Island style necklaces.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Well, given I thought that like smartphones would never catch on,
I'm probably not one who should be making any any
predictions about what technology is going to define our future.
But yeah, not personally convinced by either necklaces or ear
rings glasses. Yeah, but okay, we'll see. Thank you so much.
Paul Paul Stenhouse is our texpert. Right now, it's quarter
to eleven. Your wine pick for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Are looking for a good drop to enjoy alongside the
rugby this evening, Master sommelier Cameron Douglas is here with
his pick for us this weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Hey Cameron, good morning.

Speaker 19 (01:10:30):
Once again you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Have chosen a Thomas Barton Reserve Saint Milion twenty twenty
three for about thirty six ninety nine. So tell us
about this wine.

Speaker 19 (01:10:39):
Well, it's a hat tip in some respects to the
French rugby team today. Although I'm an all Black fan,
I wanted to show that we can have a wine
and enjoy with food that is from somewhere else for
a change. And I think listeners sometimes want to know
what reserve on a wine label means when they are

(01:11:02):
purchasing something, and it can mean one of two things
or both. And that is a wine maker's favorite blend
or more appropriately, a barrel selection. So it's a smaller
amount of wine and fewer barrels that they love the most,
and they call.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
It reserve, right, yeah, which makes sense. It's kind of
the reserve the very best of the best, right, So
what does it taste like?

Speaker 19 (01:11:26):
Well, it's a blend. It's a right bank Bordeaux wine
from Santa Million, So it's a blend of Merlow and
Cabinet Fronc. It's mostly Merlo these days. And it's a
wine of weight and richness. It's got that classic bouquet
of Doris plums and BlackBerry and all of these baking
spices from the use of oak, but a clove and

(01:11:47):
vanilla and what I call a hint of bacon oak.
And it's not like the oak taste like bacon. It's
just that some oak barrels throw a slight bacony type
character and that just gives us what we call complexity.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Nice. So what would you choose to eat with this wine?
Do you think?

Speaker 8 (01:12:06):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:12:06):
I tried the swine actually in France at the producer's
chateau last week, and I've had it here in New Zealand,
and so my food matches are based on what I
had over there and what I know I can work
with here. So that classic pork belly with apple sauce

(01:12:27):
and crispy skin with a little mashed potato is a
wonderful match. But if you like a shepherd's pie and
you're very deep into the winter mode still, then that's
again the little mashed potato on top. But it works
rather well with all those earthy flavors.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
In the pie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Rich food and something quite rich foods, you.

Speaker 19 (01:12:48):
Know what it is. But the you know, the weight
and richness of wine which this has, needs to have
a food pairing that has equal weight and richness. I
also have a vegetarian dish because I you know that
word simplicity with food comes great with vegetarian food, so

(01:13:09):
like as simple as only with lots of spinach and
lots of change. Bescher mal source works well too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Oh yeah, you won me over Cameron, as you always do.
Twenty twenty three in France was an interesting season too,
So how is that reflected in the wine?

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:13:23):
I did some research on the weather again just to
remind myself, and it was one of those classic vintages
where there was some inclement weather and it all depends
on what part of France and Bordeaux you were in.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
But it was really.

Speaker 19 (01:13:37):
Quite hot through July and August, and there was some
stressed vines we call them because they didn't get enough water.
But overall, really it was a decent harvest because they
had lower crops and they needed to be more selective
in what they were choosing for wine blends. And I
guess the proof really is and when you try that wine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Yeah, very good. Okay, so you've chosen the Thomas Barton
Reserve Saint Emilion from twenty twenty three as your wine
this week. We'll make sure that's the news talk'd the website.
You have a great weekend, you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:09):
Too, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Thank you guarding with still sharp one hundred bucks of
free accessories on selected chainsaws.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Rude climb past is our man in the garden.

Speaker 18 (01:14:17):
Hey, Rude, are you all right there?

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
I'm very well, thank you. Yep. Dry enough which is
given the last twenty four hours, last couple of weeks.
I'm pleased about it, although I go. I'm looking forward
to going home this afternoon, getting on the roof and
working out what happened with our internal gutto because there
was a leak in the all of the lounge. So
uh hurrah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yes, yeah, we had a check to somebody literally yesterday
about internal guttering. My goodness, you got to really make
sure she put those up right there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Oh so it's anyway, I mean, compared to lots of
other people, I have no reason to complain right now,
So no, no, never mind. Hey, we're talking transporting trees
this morning. This is one thing we've been debating at
our house because my wife has now decided that despite
it's despite the fact that it's absolutely thriving at the moment,
she maybe wants me to move our pomegranate tree. And
this is the timing year to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Yes, this is right, and what a clever idea actually,
because this is the time to do it, and to
do it because you got plenty you know, you all
have plenty of water coming in the future, and they
are kind of more or less dormant, and that is
the good thing about it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
So this is how you're going to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
First of all, you you you know, you have to
consider the size of your tree. If it's a small one,
and I don't think yours is that big yet, is it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
No, it's not too big. It's probably uh it's probably
almost two meters high from eds.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Okay, yeah, but you know, okay, well yeah, could be
she might need to help you out with carrying.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
It then, bit I think she's going to help me out.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
During sleepy time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, but yeah, anyway, yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
No, but there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
So the idea is basically you get first of all,
get yourself a drenching spade. Check That is still one
of my faith great ones. In the garden. There's a
good space. You can go deep, you can go narrow,
and it has an enormous if you like strength, if
you lever it up, if you like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
So long and narrow. There you go destination site.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
You make sure that your whole is going to be
as big as the one that you get it out of.
If not bigger, please because if you can make it bigger,
you will get extra drainage away from the roots in
the winter time. That is important to stop routots having
a problem with you.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
Okay. The other thing is that if you have.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
A larger place to put your tree in a new site,
you can also surround that with wonderful organic material, with
nutritious stuff if you like friable, loose material, and that
means that your plant will be very quick to reform
itself in starting in spring to say this is a
good place, I'm gonna grow bigger.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
Book, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Nice yeah, and that's good.

Speaker 20 (01:17:04):
And then you go on no, you go yeah, well,
all right, so you basically get when you want to
actually get the tree out of the ground, make sure
you get a big root ball, as big as you
can or as big as you can carry out of
the old side, so that you can move it and
disturb as few roots as you can.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
And that's why it's important to have that size really
and plant it now and do it and don't leave
it on, you know, drying out before you actually plant.
Do it not at the same time if you like,
stake it. If it's a windy site, that's important. And
then I usually put three or four inches of melch
over the root zone and keep it all good until

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it becomes really spring and summer.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah right, just make sure it still has plenty of moisture.
Is the absolute cape absolutely, Thank you sir. All right,
we'll catch you again soon. Root climb pass in the
garden for us, it is almost eleven o'clock. It is
Saturday morning. You with Jack Tamon. This is news Talks.
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
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Speaker 21 (01:18:14):
He'd ben't know if you're just surning on the radio,

(01:18:39):
going to have you with us this morning, Jack Tame
with you on news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
He'd be through to midday today. So Mum said in
the family chat that after about three and a half
hours of heavy rain yesterday at her and Dad's place
in Collingwood and Golden Bay, which is part of the
Tasman region sort of the top top left corner of
the South Island, the northwest corner of the South Island,
just before free Well Spit and three and a half

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hours they had about forty two mills of rain, so
more than a cent to meet an hour during the
heavy rain yesterday. Fairly substantial damage. Not quite as serious
as it might have been I suppose in some parts
of Tasman, but fairly substantial damage. Nonetheless, there are some
images on the news talks on the New Zealand Herald
website of some of the damage around Tarkica other parts

(01:19:25):
of Tasman as well, showing that roads that have been
washed away, parts of roads that have been washed away,
some slips in the region as well. I've got mates
out west in Auckland as well, who reckon that the
Henderson Stream is basically the highest it's ever been today.
It's the highest they've ever seen. It is all of
that rain water that hit the nine flushes down from
the why TARGETI ranges. Parts of all Tuta of course

(01:19:49):
reported flooding overnight, so I hope wherever you're waking up
today things are dry. Certainly the conditions look like they're improving.
But for the very latest you can go to the
New Zealand Herald website or newstalks hedb dot co dot NZE.
We've been talking soul of power all morning. It's yeah,
one of those funny kind of days. I suppose the
sun has been shining in lots of parts of the country,
but given my electricity bills, or the bills at our

(01:20:11):
place for electricity and gas, I think we're basically reaching
the point where we're going to try and get some
solar at our place. But there's a really good point, Steve,
flip me a note to say, Jack. Since solar is
the topic of the day, I've noticed that no one's
really been mentioning the cost of materials and installation and
when the actual return on investment comes about. That's obviously
what you need to work out before making the jump.

(01:20:35):
I worked it out and decided to hold off on
solar just a little bit longer until things get cheaper,
even though I would have liked to make the switch sooner.
Thank you, Steve. That's a very good point. The good
news is that there are a couple of calculators you
can go to online, so I think I went to
one called gen less, which I think is maybe run
by the government. Gen less, dot govt dot z, mysolar quotes,

(01:20:58):
dot co, dot m Z also lets you do it,
but basically you can go on and put in your
address and then it asks you a series of questions
about you power bells, so how much you're bank for
electricity at the moment. But it also asks about the
positioning of your house and the orientation of your house,
so which way the roof is facing, essentially the condition
of your roof and that kind of thing, to try

(01:21:18):
and work out exactly how much solar power you could
generate on your roof, and then it'll work out how
long it'll take from the capital costs of installing solar
for you to make your money back, so it'll you know,
and the whole series of factors. So at our place,
for example, we have gas power for or gat, we
use gas for hot water and for heating, so we

(01:21:42):
would make our money back a whole lot slower than
other people would, although honestly, doing the equations overnight, I
still think I still think we'd probably make our money
back in like probably seven or eight years, given the
cost of things at the moment. So there you go,
gen less dot dot GOVT dot NZ if you're looking
for that calculator right now. It is ten past eleven,
Jack Tatum. In the middle of July. We usually think

(01:22:04):
of July as being by July, but it also it's
also Plastic Free July, and it's almost fifteen years since
Plastic Free July was first launched. Rebecca Princeruez is the
founder and executive director of Plastic Free July, and she's
with us we're almost halfway through the month to talk
a little bit about how Plastic Free July is going
this year. Good a Rebecca, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 22 (01:22:26):
Good morning, Cyota.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Nice to be speaking with you. So can you just
explain exactly what plastic Free July actually is.

Speaker 22 (01:22:34):
Well, Plastic Free July is a moment to look at
the plastics in our lives. It's not actually about being
plastic free. That's impossible. I wouldn't be talking to you
on the phone now if I was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Plus one plastic free.

Speaker 22 (01:22:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just about choosing one or two
of the single use plastics, the items we use just
for a few seconds or a minute, a few minutes
and throw them away and finding alternatives. So like, you know,
choosing you remembering reusable coffee cup or refilling your water bottle,
or switching from liquid soaps to a bar soap. And

(01:23:14):
it's about, like I said, it's about not about being perfect.
It's about lots of people making small changes which together
adds up to a big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Yeah, that's a really good point. I haven't thought about
the soap one before. That's an obvious one. I use
bar soap because I just think it I feel like
it works better. But that's quite a simple one. So
what are some of the other simple ways that people
could could like reduce plastic use in their lives.

Speaker 22 (01:23:39):
Oh, look, there's so many ways that millions of people
around the world are reducing their plastic waste at the
moment in you know, in Alt Throw and New Zealand,
plastic bags have been banned. In other countries, people might
be focusing on the bags, skipping straws things that we've banned,

(01:24:01):
or taking reusable produce bags, cutting down on plastic food
wrap in the kitchen, storing food in containers or putting
a plate on top of a bowl, or using wax
wraps in the kitchen. A lot of people are trying out,

(01:24:22):
and there's been some great workshops in New Zealand over
this month of how to make your own body scrub
or deodorant or cleaning instead of having fifteen different plastic
bottles of cleaning products in our kitchens and our laundries,
just using things like bi carb and vinegar or lemons

(01:24:46):
that we can use the same materials that you can
often get refilled and use those instead. It's an opportunity,
I think, first of all, to make new habits. Like
we all you know, we all have a reusable coffee cup.
Many of us have five or six of those. They're
not reusable if you've left them at home in the cupboard.

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And even those paper cups normally lined with plastic or
have plastic lids and they end up in our landfill,
hopefully not as litter. But these are all just simple
changes that we can make and we know it makes
a difference. So last year, one hundred and seventy four
million people took part in Plastic Free July and together

(01:25:31):
avoided three hundred and ninety million kilos of plastic waists.
But you know the solutions, We always say like do
what you can with what you have where you are,
because you know, some people are very fortunate they can
buy a lot of their household products and foods in bulk,
whereas others don't have either those stores available or un

(01:25:57):
in a position to do it. So we say like,
look in your pantry, look in your fridge, look in
your bins, see what you can, see what you're using,
and then have a think about what you can avoid.
And we share lots of ideas on our website and
socials of what people are doing around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
So people can go to website by going to Plastic
Free July dot org dot org Robigga. Do you feel
like we're sort of like the plastic free movement is
gaining a bit of momentum at the moment that people
you know that people are kind of more into trying
to reduce the amount of plastic in their.

Speaker 22 (01:26:35):
Lives, oh, one hundred percent. And it's not just plastic,
like we also know, you know, when we're starting to
people starting to try and reduce their plastic, which is
often the first step, it's also about reducing overall waste.
So you know, instead of you need one avocado, you
go to the store, it's cheaper to buy four, which

(01:26:58):
is very frustrating when it's cheaper to buy four and
a plastic tray with plastic wrap. But if you only
needed one, chances are that the other four might you know,
go to waste. So there's that kind of parallel impact.
But we also like encourage people and share ideas, and
the comunity is doing things like you know, menu planning

(01:27:20):
from their fridge, using up leftovers, making a stock from
the veggies you didn't manage to finish up last week,
and love food, hate waste. It's got some great ideas
about you know, using leftovers, and it's you know, I
think plastic is almost the entry point. And when I
started this fifteen years ago, single use wasn't even a term,

(01:27:43):
and now there's so much momentum and so many stories
of course we've got to go. There's a lot more
that we can do, but you know, we have to
tackle this problem. Like we're coming to the point where
even even our clothes, which much of them are made
of plastics, with fast fashion, they're becoming single use, and

(01:28:04):
so many of our household items. So it's about it's
about finding alternatives, it's about being more mindful about reducing
our waste, reducing our footprint because the less we the
more that we can reduce and reuse and repair, the
more of an impact we're going to have, and the

(01:28:26):
less resources that we use, and the more that we
are mindful, the less overall resources are being extracted and
used and consumed right across the life cycle of these products.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Well it sounds great. Thank you so much, Rebecca. We
really appreciate your time this morning. Rebecca print Thrueaz as
the founder and executive director of Plastic Free July. You
can see more information at Plastic Free July dot org.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Travel with Windy wootours where the world is yours for now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Mike Hadley is our travel correspondent. He's focusing on Stone,
Hinge and Bath in the UK today.

Speaker 23 (01:29:02):
Hi Mike, Good morning Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
So if you are planning a UK trip, do you
reckon Stone Hinge is worth the visit ors a little bit,
you know, underwhelming?

Speaker 23 (01:29:12):
Well, previously I found it a real down there, and
the reason for that was in the past used to
be all of this rather constant road traffic clattering right
past the antiquity on the Soul's pre plane, and I
think people just thought this is real bad. So thankfully
that section of road has been rerooted. So now when

(01:29:33):
you go to Stonehenge you actually have to walk to
the monument across these fields. And it's so good because
Stone Hinge feels like it's been liberated, and you found
sense of solitudes so much better. And I've done a
really good job in recent years with the makeover to
the visitor center. So they've now got this awesome gallery

(01:29:54):
which does a really good job showcasing the life and
times of the Druids who built the stone Circle. Yeah,
about four thousand years ago. I only found out there recently,
jacked that the Druids they were only second to the
King and Queen, you know, in terms of important and
Celtic life. Yeah, they were so hugely regarded and yeah,

(01:30:16):
you were just learning so much about Neolithic Britain at
this visitor center, so definitely worth a stop.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Yeah, great, Okay, cool. I've never been to Stonehenge, but
I did sometimes wonder if it was a bit sort
of you know, yeah, there's a bit underwhelming, but that
sounds great. With the visitors center, it sounds amazing. So
just what half an hour away is is Bath? So
what do you think is Bath's great calling card?

Speaker 23 (01:30:39):
I adore Bath, Jack, and I think it's the architecture
that really stands out. Everything is just so semetrical, you know,
so Georgian, so regency, and it's all crafted from that
honey colored limestone. Then you've got those staggering ancient Roman
baths which tapped into Britain's only thermal hot springs. But

(01:31:01):
I've always thought a really good test for a city's
grandeur when they tout they have endure, is how well
does your city look under gray skies? And this is
Britain after all, but I can say that Bath passes
the rain test and flying colors. It is a showstopper
in all weathers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Nice are there are essential sort of landmarks that you
should be ticking.

Speaker 23 (01:31:22):
Off well for architectural nerds, like me. I think the
Circus and the Royal Crescent are the top two. They
are just marked pieces of urban living, you know, from
a couple of hundred years ago, all of those symmetrical curves,
multi story stone buildings, they're just so beautiful. Interestingly, the
Circus check it was actually inspired by Stonehenge and the

(01:31:45):
Sun's movements, so that is what sort of dictated the
design of the Circus. And then there's all sorts of
other interesting curios like Pulteney Bridge, this big grand stone
structure which was actually inspired by Florence's Pontebecchio with all
of the shops incorporated into it. And if you've seen

(01:32:07):
Russell Crowe's Le Mis film from about a decade ago,
that that actually featured in miz depicting Paris, which is
a bit out there. But what really intrigued me when
I was in Bath just a few weeks ago. The
city has become such a hit with set chasers. We've
talked about set jesting in the past, and Bath is

(01:32:29):
absolutely on that map. And I tell you one thing
that's really fueled that recently Bridgeton, because so much of
Bridgeton is shot in Bath.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Ah. Oh, that's so good. Do you know I interviewed
Russell Crowe when he when he released that film, So yes,
I remember that Hands of Time so well, as well
as Russell Crowe and Lamer's fans. Jane Austen fans swoon
over my goodness. So what can you do with your
Jane Auston fan?

Speaker 23 (01:32:56):
Yeah, her footprints are everywhere, but the Jane Auston Center
is the big drawer, very much telling the story of
how Bath shaped her life and who writing. The center
is just so well put together, lots of authentic period
exhibits and lots of costumed Mennicans. And the reason I
mentioned that is because I thought they were mannequins, but

(01:33:20):
they suddenly spring to life as real people. So they've
got some really good little theatrical touches in that center,
and these menequans come real people offer some really good
pithy anecdotes as you head around the center. Yeah, definitely
worth checking it out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Yeah nice. And Jane Austin is not the only major
literary figure with a museum in barn No.

Speaker 23 (01:33:44):
Also on the literary trail just down the street Mary
Shelley's House of Frankenstein. And this is I have to say,
more of an entertainment experience than a museum. So you've
got the likes of an eight foot automaton of Frankenstein,
who are beautiful monster. There lots of electric shock displays,

(01:34:05):
which is kind of cool, but it also unpacked Shelley's
life and times in Bath. One of the most amazing
things jack known to Shelley back in the day. She
was practically living on top of the Roman baths and
they big gates and they were only discovered about sixty
years after she left, So she was a little of this

(01:34:29):
amazing antiquity and no one knew.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Is that amazing? Yeah? So was it? What like they're
built on top of it or had been covered with
the sort of ground Yeah, okay.

Speaker 23 (01:34:38):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, just layers, you know, layers of civilized
over that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
It's crazy to me that would happen. But anyway, so
Bath got really good buns, doesn't.

Speaker 23 (01:34:48):
It very good?

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:34:51):
So for starters, there's Sally Lungs buns, which you will
find in Barb's oldest house. It's like from the fourteen
hundreds of this house. And Sally was a French refugee.
She established her bakery here about four hundred years ago
and it's still same site that operates today as the
bakery with these enormous, delicate, semi sweet buns obviously best

(01:35:15):
washed down with the pot of tea, but they have
this quite unique bready n cakey texture that's supersized. So
they will serve them in the habs and then you
can choose a topping to slather on them. But I
would definitely recommend the cinnamon butter. Oh my goodness, that
is so good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Oh yeah, Okay, how does it differ from the bath bun?

Speaker 23 (01:35:37):
I know this becomes quite an academic exercise to explore
these buns deck But the bath bun interesting story. It's
just around the corner from Selly Lums there's the bath
bun Tee shop and this is the place to go
for the bath bun. So this is a smaller and
sweeter bun than Selly's. Lots of currants. They put crushed

(01:35:59):
sugar cubes on top of it. And the bath bun
was actually created by an eighteenth century doctor called William Oliver.
But his bones became so popular with his patients have
proved to be the undoing. So then William Oliver moved
into the biscuit trade. But all the moderation jacket's a

(01:36:19):
good thing.

Speaker 15 (01:36:20):
Those buns and Bath, yeah they.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Sound very tasty. Indeed, all right, thank you so much, Mike.
I've never been to Bath. I would absolutely love to
because Bristol is just up the road, isn't it so yeah,
now sort out the western side of the aisle. Yeah, no,
I would absolutely love to go. So those are really
useful tips. Thank you. We'll make sure all of Mike's
advice for exploring Bath and Stonehenge are up on the
Newstalk's He'd Be website newstalks hedb dot co dot m

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(01:37:27):
for the countdown to the All Blacks second Test this
evening when he joins us in a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Getting your weekend started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
B Yes, but you want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
I'm not embarrassed to say there's a bit of a jam,
at least in my opinion. This is justin Bieber. What
do you mean, It's been years since he this though
he's got a brand new album, though dropped overnight. It
had been rumored for some time that Swag his album
might be coming. And you know how artists these days,
they don't kind of set a date necessarily for the
release of their album. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

(01:38:19):
Sometimes they just drop it online and so it all
also happens at once with little warning. Anyway, that's what
happened with Swag. So we're gonna have a little bit
of a listen to a couple of songs from Swag.
Our music reviewer has listened to the album since it
was released last night, so she's going to give us
her thoughts on it in a few minutes time. He's
sort of going through a bit of an interesting period
justin Beaver, so it'll be interesting to see what that

(01:38:39):
album sounds like right now though, twenty eight minutes to
twelve on News Talks, he'd be Jason Pine is counting
down the hours live from Shed twenty two and Wellington
for the All Backs second Test this evening against the French.
Hay Piney good, I.

Speaker 24 (01:38:53):
Jack, Yes, I can tell you that the city is
ready for All Blacks Rugby tonight at skys Stadium. It's
been a bit inclement weather wise this week, but as
we come to you from Shed twenty two on the Waterfront,
the sun's out and we're looking forward to the even.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Very good Conrad Smith on the show this afternoon.

Speaker 24 (01:39:08):
Pony Yeah, our greatest test center in the eyes of many,
certainly our most capped All Blacks test center.

Speaker 15 (01:39:14):
Conrad Smith going to lead us off. It's a bit
of a it's.

Speaker 24 (01:39:17):
A bit of a Wellington themed show, as you'd expect
coming from here Jack another double World Cup win of Victor.

Speaker 15 (01:39:23):
Victor was on the show.

Speaker 24 (01:39:23):
Dane Cole's said he'll pop into Shed twenty two if
there's a.

Speaker 15 (01:39:27):
Free drink going.

Speaker 24 (01:39:28):
No, he said he didn't even need a free drink
and come anyway, Brad Shield's going to pop down and
look all welcome.

Speaker 15 (01:39:33):
Really already it's starting to fizz here.

Speaker 24 (01:39:36):
The place opened at eleven and there were already some
hungry and thirsty people. So yeah, looking forward to to
what the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Brings and what are you picking for this evening, pony.
An improved performance on last week, certainly, I think we'd
all hope to see. But a lot of changes in
that French lineup.

Speaker 24 (01:39:51):
Indeed, Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth
through and I think we all want improvement and we
all accept and I think I might have even said
it to you last weekend. The All Blacks are never
perfect and Test one of the year, it just doesn't happen.

Speaker 7 (01:40:02):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:40:02):
They got the win and they were I guess satisfied
with that, but lots to work and as you say,
the French have made a number of changes. So four
debutants again after eight last week. The All Blacks have
had to scramble a bit this week with the injuries
to Scott Barrett, to Sever Reese of course, and also
yesterday to Caleb Clark. So certainly not the fifteen. I'm

(01:40:23):
sure that they would have been planning to put out
if we've been chatting before the first Test last weekend.
But here we are, next man up mentality and chances
for the likes of Himoni Nadawa to come into just
his third Test match.

Speaker 15 (01:40:35):
Patrick tweep a lot too. We know what he can do.

Speaker 24 (01:40:37):
He's into the second row, and Ardie Savie will lead
the side, so I don't think you lose a lot
when he's the man leading you out.

Speaker 15 (01:40:43):
So yeah, it's hope for.

Speaker 24 (01:40:45):
I guess a more cohesive performance, probably a little bit
more solid in those aerial battles.

Speaker 15 (01:40:52):
And yeah, and maybe I think defensively too.

Speaker 24 (01:40:54):
If you lead twenty seven points, you probably look at
your defense and say we should do better.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Yeah too, Right, all right, look forward to the show
this afternoon and enjoy being there at Shed twenty two
like you. No problem with that, Jacobs, Yeah, good man,
we'll catch you very sir, Jason. Fine, we'll have weekends
thought this afternoon from right after the midday news, Conrad
Smith leading things off as they count down to the
second Allbeckx test of course news talks. He'db is gonna
have live coverage of the game tonight. The build up

(01:41:20):
begins just after six o'clock. This evening kickoff is just
after seven. And if you want to listen to the
Black Ferns, of course, it's a double header at the
Caked In this evening. Hest of the Black Ferns on
gold Sport this afternoon as well before midday that new
music from Justin Bieber. Next up, your book picks for
this weekend twenty five to twelve on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Twenty two to twelve on Newstalks EDBE. Katherine Rains is
here with her book picks for this weekend. Hey Catherine,
Morning Jack. Let's begin with a novel by Lisa juel
tell Us about Don't Let Him In.

Speaker 11 (01:41:57):
This is a really twisty mystery and it begins with
the death of Paddy Swan, who's this very successful restaurant
who's pushed in the part of an oncoming train by
a man in his thirties, and it leaves behind his wife, Nina,
and his daughter Ash, who's in her mid twenties and
has just returned home after a psychological breakdown, and his
son Arlo, who's in his early twenties. And sometime after

(01:42:20):
the funeral, this beautifully wrapped gift arrives for Nina from
a man named Nick Radcliffe, who says that he used
to work with Paddy, and Anna thinks he's lovely and
handsome and charming and very kind to her, even though
his job takes him away a lot, but Ash isn't
quite so convinced. There's also a second storyline that follows
this woman, Martha, who's in her early fifties and she's

(01:42:41):
a florist and she's got two teenage sons from her
previous marriage and a baby girl, and she's also struggling
in her marriage to Alistair, and he's this very demanding
job which keeps him constantly traveling and unreachable, and their
relationship is falling apart. And the book is told through
the third person narration of Ash in her search for
answers about Nick. And then there's Martha and Nina stories

(01:43:04):
that are interspersed in there that we build all these
past events and as the storylines begin to intertwain, the
revelations are really revealing and unpredictable in this very tangled web.
And there's lots of secrets and lies and manipulations and
it's quite riveting. It's shocking. It's really well written. And
this book has everything you could want in a thriller.
And I promise you you will need to stay awake

(01:43:26):
to finnish it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
Oh really it sounds great, Okay, cool. So that's by
Lisa Jowell, the books called Don't Let Him In. You've
also read The Phoenix Pencil Company by Alison King.

Speaker 11 (01:43:36):
And this is a dabut novel from Alison King, and
it's got family secrets, a bit of magical realism, and
a dose of espionage in the story. And it begins
with this reclusive student called Monica Sai who's stuck almost
between two worlds. She's trying to decide whether she should
stay with her computer science degree or pause it for
a moment to care for her beloved grandmother Eun, who's

(01:43:58):
been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. And then she thinks that life
can't get any more complicated for her, and she discovers
her grandmother's very intriguing secret that the women and their
family have the special power where they can reforge the
pencils that their business, the Phoenix Pencil Company, has created
and uncover all the memories from the user of this pencil,

(01:44:20):
and it leads Monica on this real voyage of discovery
about her grandmother's life, and it flips between two timelines,
Monica's struggle in the modern day and her grandmother's past
life in war torn Shanghai and as a young girl,
Youn and her cousin men survive by selling these handmade
pencils and using their mysterious power that helps them navigate
this life of espionage. And as her grandmother's facing her

(01:44:43):
final days, Monica wants to reconcile her relationship with her
cousin men because she left after the Chinese Civil War
and she moved to California, leaving her cousin behind. And
it's a really interesting story about how they kind of
the lives intertwine and people going in different directions, and
it's about the bonds within a family and the stories
that create and that power of shelled shared memories and

(01:45:05):
lessons and yeah, a story kind of has these concepts
of storytelling and memory and family history and with a
bit of spy and stories thrown in. You know, it's
really really well told. It's quite intriguing. I'm not a
massive magical realism fast. This actually worked and I don't
really quite know. I mean, obviously you have to suspend reality,
but it really worked.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Yeah, okay, well it sounds interesting. The Phoenix Pencil Company
by Alison King, that's her first book. Hey, Catherine, are
you a Jane Austen fan?

Speaker 11 (01:45:31):
I am a Jane Austen fan.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Have you ever been to the Jane Austen Was it
Jane Austen Festival in Bar No?

Speaker 12 (01:45:36):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
No, Okay, We've just been discussing bath and in the
UK and our travel segment this morning, and I see
you I've been and has fliped me a note to
say the Jane Austin Festival is on from the twelfth
to the twenty first of September, so I'm sure for
Jane Austen fans that might be a bit of a
special event to get too. Thank you very much for that,
and and thank you Catherine for your recommendations this week.
So Don't Let Him In by Lisa Jewel was Catherine's

(01:45:58):
first book. The Phoenix Pencil Company, the One with a
bit of Magical Realism was her second. That's by Allison
King in All of the details for those books is
on the News Talks. He'd be website.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
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Speaker 19 (01:46:18):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Love, I Love You Will we Are.

Speaker 10 (01:46:33):
Love dieson Give You Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
This is Yukon. That's one of the songs from Swag,
the freshly released album from Justin Bieber, his seventh album,
released overnight. It had been rumored it was coming for
some time, but Justin just dropped it, which meant Estelle Clifford,
our music reviewer, had to drop everything she was doing
so she could go and listen to the Bebes. Hey,

(01:47:08):
good to see it.

Speaker 25 (01:47:08):
Hello, h big big Friday night at my house at
at night? Hello Swag?

Speaker 9 (01:47:13):
What are you all about?

Speaker 25 (01:47:16):
And so this song here has caused a little bit
of mystery around who sings it?

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Yeah? Is that him?

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
So? Well?

Speaker 25 (01:47:24):
Lots of rumor around it being Scissor or someone like that,
there's nothing in the credits that suggests so, so, yes,
this is the consensus, this is the Bebes, this is him, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And then he does the backing vocals in his normal
voice that you recognize and I must have. When I've
listened to the song a couple of times, I'm like,
it's definitely the way he sings, and I think that's

(01:47:46):
kind of clever, Like I like that he's sort of
disguised himself but doing something a little bit different. Yeah,
And that's kind of how the whole album sort of is.
There's these moments that are quite it's quite intimate in
regards to how it's been recorded, and it's not necessarily
big and showy, like a lot of the vocals have

(01:48:06):
that more closer you sort of lean into it a
little bit more, Like I feel like the whole album
is like that. I mean, there's lots of rumors around
him having jam sessions and all that kind of stuff
leading into writing new music, and he's pretty much just
put it on the album. I think as it has been,
like there's beautiful production and beautiful musicality, but again I
think it's just kind of almost on the fly, on

(01:48:28):
the spot and then added some things to its. Actually,
also a couple of songs on here, like twenty one
songs on the album, but a couple of those like
voice memos, right, interesting, So one is a yeah, one
is a voice memo jam session, So I would kind
of love to see the behind the scenes footage of
how they put that together. And another one is legit
just him and his guitar, Zoomer House it's called and

(01:48:51):
it's like a minute twenty of just like you almost
feel like you're snooping a little bit, like you're seeing
him maybe talking or singing to his kid. You know,
like it's kind of got that sort of vibe about it,
like a dude in his guitar just sounding out something
that he kind of likes.

Speaker 9 (01:49:07):
And again so.

Speaker 25 (01:49:07):
You're like, okay, now we're in this really intimate should
we be listening to this or not? And is it
a full song?

Speaker 13 (01:49:13):
Not?

Speaker 25 (01:49:13):
Like it just kind of ends there you go, that's it.
I was holding the guitar for a minute twenty and
now I'm done with it, you know, like in just
moving through, I think that he's definitely decided to take
control of his narrative, which because there's always stories and
gossip around these kind of especially when they're sort of
kept to themselves for a few years, and then people
being like, are we worried about him? He's acting all strange?

(01:49:36):
I reckon, he's just a dude who's well tired because
he's got a baby. Yeah, and he's also trying to
write some new music. And then the papo are always
in his face.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
But now always in his face. I mean I don't
I don't envy his life at all. I mean, you know,
he's yeah, I mean some people say he's got a
pretty good life. Yeah, ye, but yeah, but I mean
there was there's been a lot of speculation right about,
like if he's in a good place and that kind
of thing.

Speaker 25 (01:50:01):
And not when the pepperazz are in his face. There's
actually a song on the album called Butterflies. We've got
a little sample here because it does sample one of
his confrontations he had only about a month or so ago.
If you want to listen to butterflies.

Speaker 26 (01:50:13):
Money money, money, money, money, money, money, money.

Speaker 25 (01:50:26):
I mean I kind of find it funny that's something
that really only happened about a month ago. He's already
sampled and put into the start of Interesting, if it's
going to be a global speculation, then why not just
why not just add it to your own album and
that means it lives forever, which I think is kind
of interesting that he's decided to then put it into
a song. But it's a murky track too, Like it's

(01:50:49):
got this really heavy bass drum line, which I guess
the experience of having someone constantly outside your window or
every time you try and hop in a car or something,
and your face is a murky kind of dark s
a place to be. But then singing about butterflies, which
is like a beautiful, letting go fly away kind of thing.
Interesting kind of contrast.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah yeah, And.

Speaker 25 (01:51:12):
Then and yeah, this is this album. I mean, I
like that he's kind of done the Beyonce thing and
just gone on, oh, well, here's the album then, But again,
I think that's part of him having control of his
own narrative. And there is some real I feel like
it's a very nineties sounding album. There's some synth and
pop and R and B that I'm really digging. I
think the collabs he's done are really great. Great vocalists.

(01:51:36):
It's like I've said, some of the some of the
tracks are actually just him having chats about his life
with Drewski, who's like a comedian actor, social media dude. Yes,
sort of talking through where his headspace is at and
then just actually leaving there on the album, I think
like some interesting choices to say this is where I'm at,
this is where I'm moving forward. Definitely loves his wife,

(01:51:57):
definitely loves his kid, and I guess just saying I'm
human and I'm trying to do the best I can
and move forward with that. Yeah, nothing too deep in
some of the lyrics, though, very repetitive, like they just
says things over and over again and isn't going too
deep about it or anything. But I think still him
having control. Daisy's is one of my favorite tracks, which
we're going to play a.

Speaker 9 (01:52:18):
Little bit later.

Speaker 25 (01:52:19):
I reckon this could be the big radio play. It's
quite poppy. It's got that real cool lo fi guitar
riff intro that then carries on through the rest of
the tune. His vocals are quite four front, which I
think has always worked for him in those big pop
songs that have then become kind.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
Of radio hits.

Speaker 25 (01:52:35):
Yeah, yeah, and sort of a little bit of a
hazy kind of oh my summary sort of sound to
it as well, which I think will actually do quite well.
But it's actually one that's just really stood out to me,
So yeah, why not have a lot of listen to
that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Nice? Okay, what'd you give it?

Speaker 25 (01:52:50):
It's an eight out of ten for me, very good.
I'm not sure if I'm into the random chat stuff,
but you know, it's there and it's got a.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Pot I don't like that. Yeah, it does have a purpose.
I mean, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:53:01):
I don't like when they do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
I don't know when Kanya did it either. I don't like,
you know, I just I don't like that.

Speaker 25 (01:53:05):
Little moments of it where it does remind me of that,
And maybe that's why I've decided to give it that,
because it's also about just saying, oh you're you're sounding
black and like just really trying to talk up what
it is he's trying to right, And I don't know
if it's forced or if it's genuine looking I can't
quite sell, but anyway, it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Well, thank you for doing the tough stuff for us
last night. Last caller as soon as it as soon
as it dropped. So yeah, eight out of ten for swag.
We'll have a bit more of a listen. We'll pick
out Daisy's your favorite one there the style, so we
can play that in a few minutes The Style. Clifford
is our music reviewer. Right now, it's eight to twelve
on Newsbalg's he'd be.

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(01:54:10):
from just after seven o'clock kick off tonight, go the abs.
Thank you very much for all of your text and
emails throughout the morning. Resolar power. I think I'm even
more likely to make the switch now. There haven't been
many too many haters. Been a few haters, but not
too many haters. Those have got solid power generally seem
to be pretty supportable, So thank you for that. Thanks

(01:54:31):
to my wonderful producer Lobby for doing all of the
buttons and dials, all the set up stuff this morning.
We're back next Saturday morning from nine o'clock on News
Talks here'd be. But until then we're going to leave
you with Justin Bieber. His new album is Swag. This
song is called Daisies See you next week?

Speaker 5 (01:54:48):
Where you're going on them?

Speaker 10 (01:54:52):
Think I'm ready you and happy it is?

Speaker 5 (01:54:57):
You know I can take it conning.

Speaker 10 (01:54:59):
Indeed, so many days to let you see your work
here kisses, though, will you kN.

Speaker 5 (01:55:08):
Keep up with arrows paved?

Speaker 13 (01:55:09):
I'm just shooting a shot if I could get in,
drop me a pin, hopping up and come over.

Speaker 16 (01:55:16):
Want of the friends and thin skin.

Speaker 5 (01:55:18):
I wanna get me up.

Speaker 14 (01:55:22):
The way you got me.

Speaker 5 (01:55:24):
All that my head they ain't got badly. You be
my bag.

Speaker 19 (01:55:31):
Having it is?

Speaker 10 (01:55:31):
You know I can take it gone in a date?

Speaker 9 (01:55:35):
How many dates till I can see he got working.

Speaker 5 (01:55:41):
Oh my god, hold them. My feelings got.

Speaker 13 (01:55:46):
Me and none of my back, and.

Speaker 5 (01:55:55):
You don't have men in You got.

Speaker 10 (01:55:58):
Me now and you'll have me yalling your health beyond.

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
Way.

Speaker 17 (01:56:15):
You hear me on the heal me on the.

Speaker 5 (01:56:18):
Monday, You and puppy.

Speaker 12 (01:56:23):
It is.

Speaker 10 (01:56:24):
You know, I can take it telling the days, how
many days.

Speaker 5 (01:56:28):
Till I can see you working?

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
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