Full Show Podcast: 13 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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More in a Caldon, New Zealand. Good morning and welcome
to News Talks V. Jack Tamee with you through the midday.
So my alarm went off well before dawn this morning,
well before dawn. You know how keen I am to
get to work. So I got up, head a shower,
got onto my bike and started riding down the hill
to the News Talks e'b studios. And let me tell

(01:05):
you it was cold like dare I say, almost South
Island level cold like cold, crisp and clear, the kind
of cold when you're riding your bike that the moment
you get onto a downhill slope and there are no
cars on the road, you immediately bury your hands into
the pockets of your puffer jacket and you hope that
you're not going to get frostbite on the tips of

(01:26):
your pinkies. That kind of cold. Why am I telling
you this? Well, the All Blacks are playing at Eden
Park tonight, and I'm not sure who cold and crisp
necessarily benefits. The forecast is fantastic in the O nine
at the moment. There shouldn't be any rain tonight, it
shouldn't be much when whatsoever. But does that mean that
the English have a better chance of breaking the All

(01:47):
Blacks thirty year streak in the O nine? We will
ask our Sporto very shortly. Right now, it is eight
minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Jack Team.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
So it's two weeks, two weeks since Joe Biden and
that disastrous debate, and still boom the drum boom, steadily
boom beats. I gotta tell you, I am obsessed with
the story. I'm utterly obsessed. I just think this is
an absolutely monumental moment, a monumental moment in global politics.

(02:23):
Every morning I wake up, I grab my phone and
I immediately check my news apps, check the New York Times,
check the Herald. Is Joe still in the race? In
a way I suppose you you kin'd of have to
hand it to him and his team. In a way,
I mean, not once has Biden publicly expressed anything other

(02:45):
than absolute total commitment to remaining the Democrats nominee. He
knows that the moment he publicly expresses a sentilla of doubt,
it's all over. But the more that I have reflected
on that debate, the more I find the response of
the White House and Biden's supporters kind of insulting. They're

(03:09):
gaslighting us. They're gaslighting us by trying to convince hundreds
of millions of people to unsee what they saw. Don't
forget Joe Biden asked for the debate. It was held
entirely on his terms. He publicly promoted it as a
moment in which he could prove to everyone he still
had his edge, and in that moment he was incoherent.

(03:34):
So far, relatively few of Biden's colleagues have come out
and explicitly called on him to stand down. A lot
of them have kind of hedged their bets or have
acted luke warm at best. But again, it's gaslighting. They
saw what we saw, and you just know that all

(03:55):
of the conversations being held behind closed doors are exactly
the same as this one. They just don't want to
risk their own skins. George Clooney's op ed I thought
particularly devastating to Biden's cause this week, not because George
Clooney is a famous Hollywood movie star, but because as
someone who is coordinating fundraising campaigns worth tens or hundreds

(04:18):
of millions of dollars, he thinks Biden needs to stand down.
And like everything in US politics, it pays to follow
the money. Would you stake your fortune on Joe Biden
right now? The post NATO press conference yesterday was a
big test for Joe Biden and it was the first

(04:40):
press conference of its kind that Biden has held in
eight months. Forget his performance, Forget his competence, Forget his
relative comfort talking foreign policy, Forget the fact he made
several gaffes with names and introductions eight months his first

(05:00):
solo press conference in eight months. That fact alone tells
you more about and state and capacity than anything else
you need to know. So NATO's done. The Democrats convention
is next month. If they're going to force them out,
this is the window, this is the time to do it.
They've got a few weeks to act. Got to say

(05:22):
two weeks deep. It is clear, this story, this issue
are not going away. With every bad poll, every donor
with cold feet, the pressure is sustained that little bit
longer and fundamentally, the news is not going to move
on because the problem has not gone away. And here's
the thing, it won't go away. To campaign for president,

(05:44):
you have to be out in public day after day
after day. It requires vast energy. It would be exhausting
for anyone. But you can be sure there will be
more gaffes. There will be more blunders, there will be
more moments of utter incoherence, and with every instance voters

(06:05):
will be left wondering, this is Biden, now, how's he
going to be in another four years? Jack Team ninety
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years Nineteen ninety four was the last time the All

(06:26):
Blacks lost at Eden Park against the French. That wonder try,
of course, So here's a pop quiz for you. What
do you reckon has lasted longer the All Blacks winning
streak at Eden Park or shape shifter? I was staggered
by this. This is one of the most moments that
you almost feel as old as Joe Biden, Shape Shifter
have been around twenty five years now. We're going to
be catching up with the guys from shape Shifter. After

(06:47):
ten o'clock is our feature interview this morning before ten.
If your tummy is rumbling and you're looking for a
midwinter treat, We've got a sticky citrus self sourcing pudding
recipe we will share with you. Kevin Milner is here next.
It's fourteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Davids Saturday Morning
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Speaker 4 (07:04):
A little bit of way to kick off your week.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Then with Jack.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
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Mb US Talks EDB sixteen past nine on your Saturday Morning.
Jack Emperor's clothes, Biden is deluded, Jack's has been. Joe
Biden's embarrassing the US come on Pole's show. His vice
president can beat Trump, but he can't. A good leader
knows when time is up. Angela took something else out
of all of that. Jack. You put your hands in

(07:34):
your pockets while riding your bike. Just sometimes, Angela, just sometimes.
I mean, here's the thing. I was riding my bike
at six thirty this morning, so there were basically no
cars on the road and I could kind of I
had good visibility, right, I guess it's probably not like

(07:55):
the absolute safest thing to do, and I obviously take
them out of my pockets when I need to break
and that kind of thing. You've caught me out there, Angela,
You've caught me out ninety two if you want to
flickers of edsges this morning, Kevin Milne is here with us.
Goal to Kevin Jack.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm also quite obsessed about the whole Biden issue, and
of course it's interesting from somebody of my age because
I'm only six years behind him.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
And you've got your edge though, Kevin, You're you're sharp
as attack. Come on.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Becoming news talks ZBS.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Biden really well, you know, I mean, the thing is,
the thing is, it's not actually anything to do with
his age. It's not that he's too old to be
president necessarily. It's just that he clearly has some issues
that might be caused by, you know, but by his
relatively advanced age when it comes to coherence and when
it comes to communication and when it comes to being

(08:51):
really sharp and unfortunately a big part of being president
requires you to be coherent and to be a really
good communicator. It's not I think, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think it also, you know, just have to watch
some walk across a stage. He's having a lot of
with this movement. Yeah, and yeah and yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So it's so so I reckon that it'll be decided
in the next couple of weeks, basically, like if they're
going to do it, it has to be before the convention.
And and now that this NATO thing is over, Yeah,
I still think he will be forced out. But I'm
you know, I'm history showing I'm a terrible, terrible at
predicting these things. So who knows?

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Can I confirm with you? Yeah, because it's not clear
to me. Can he be thrown out? Does he have to?
Can he be checked out?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
He can't really at the moment.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
No.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
But but if I mean basically, once it is all
confirmed at the convention, which is next month, then he's
one hundred percent locked in. But he can effectively be
forced out. So at the moment, he's got delegates around
the country who who support him, but he can But
basically the way to the way to get him out
will be for some senior people whom he respects to

(10:05):
go and have a conversation with them and say, look,
you've lost the you've lost the support of all of
your colleagues, and actually, you know, I'm sorry you got
to go. And I think they'll be it. But if
it does happen, it's gonna be very, very intriguing. Hey,
before we kick off, Kevin, we just got to check
because this time last week you were debating whether or
not to watch the All Backs or whether or not
to go to a play. What did you decide in

(10:26):
the end.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, my daughter went to the play and I feel
very I feel a bit shabby about that, really, wow,
because I could have watched the game later on in
the evening.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
But uh and and now I probably won't get to
see the play.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah. Well relevant you learn, Kevin. Yeah, and anyway you have,
you have been enjoying something else this week. Transpowers explanation
about how that pylon fell over up north.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
There's something that that's so amusing. I enjoyed seeing on
the newsless week a repeat of the transfer response as
to why they're power ilon fell over. I acknowledge that
the incident caused havoc, and that's why it was being
replayed on one News because one of the companies was saying,
now lost millions out of the whole thing. But Transpower's

(11:18):
response makes me smile for some reason every time I'll
watch it. Transpeers investigation into why the pilon fell over
seemed to reveal that the nuts volting three of the
four legs of the pylon to the ground had been
removed at the same time by people working on it.

(11:39):
This would seem ill advised at the very least. Trans
spokesperson couldn't believe it. Quote, it's unprecedented and inconceivable that
so many nuts were removed at once. She followed us
up with we've appointed an external party to undertake a

(12:00):
full investigation into the cause of the fallen tower. Now,
I'd have thought Transpower already had their answer. If you
take off too many nuts holding a pieline up, it
is going to fall over. Jacket. Jacket reminds me of
the great John Clark skit about the front falling off.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
The oil.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
You think, yeah, yeah, I reckon too many nuts removed
at once to get an award for simplicity in corporate communications.
My lads in London thought it was a crack up.
It's in that same category as the COT's advice for
the fella he picked up at three in the morning.

(12:40):
You're buying a pie at the BP service station. You
what you must always do. It's been in the warming
dwarf for about twelve hours. It'll be thermal nuclear. You
must always blow on the pie. Saving communities together, remember
that one day.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I certainly do.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, And I think it was on one of those
crop shows. Yeah, it's same sort of thing, just classic
sort of explanations for things and classic key week quotes. Yeah.
So I just then by saying that we're talking safer
communities together, listeners, never remove domin the nuts of a

(13:23):
nylon pylon at the same time it all fall over.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
It certainly will, and we don't need independent investigation costing, however,
only tens of thousands of dollars to work that out.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think you take all the nuts, three of.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Those legs and see you later.

Speaker 6 (13:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, a little bit of a breeze and away she goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey,
thank you so much, Kevin Well said, and I hope
you can enjoy the game this evening without feeling guilty
about missing a play At the same time. Twenty three
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Speaker 4 (13:59):
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A Jack says Robin Biden's occasional incoherence is preferable to
the craziness of that sleezy oaf Trump, a buddy of
Vladimir Putin. I agree, Robin, but I also think that

(15:29):
someone who was coherent would be preferable to Biden. Jet.
You've got to admit the whole US election soap opera
is super entertaining, highly amusing. It is, yes, I agree,
but part of me thinks, man, will it be so
amusing in a year's time if Donald Trump is president,
maybe some people who are laughing now won't be laughing
quite so much. Anyway, Thank you for that. If you

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want to flick a message this morning, ninety two ninety
two is the text number. Andrew Savill is counting down
to the all backs at Eden Park for the first
time in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
Go the morning, sir day, good morning, beautiful day, isn't
it Nortlan's beautiful day?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Though? Like cold and Chris no no. I mean, well,
did you ride your bike to work this morning at
six am? No?

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Not quite.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
I wasn't awake. But I tell you what, I had
a wonderful few days after the dned and test in
the deep deep South. Oh yeah, near Winton.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes, And.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
The day we left there was a big frost and
but a beautiful, crisp, fine day. It is a pancake
around that area. I love that part of the cold.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cold. That's real, that's yeah.

Speaker 8 (16:41):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 7 (16:44):
And for the rugby yet there's no unusually when you
sed your big rugby game here at the park, because
I've said a million times on the show, it rains,
but there is no rain in the forecast. It's a beautiful,
clear day, stunning day. So it will be a little
bit slippery, a little bit dewey, and imagine on top
and crisp on top tonight and in the ear, but
it'll be still and no rain, as I mentioned, so

(17:08):
near perfect conditions. Obviously without a roof this intriguing game,
that isn't it. It was an enjoyable game to watch
last week in that stadium because it was so tight.
There were flat patches in the game. A couple of
things here. I think the referee will have a major
bearing on the game tonight. It's Australian Nick Berry. Last

(17:30):
week the All Backs, there was a fair amount of
confusion with the Northern Hemisphere ref from Georgia. He let
a fair amount go at the breakdown, which in a
way is good. However, I think the English were offside
a lot. I think they slowed down play by having
a number of injuries in the second half, and then

(17:50):
it didn't help with that shot clock call, which as
those of us have gone back and done the times,
it was pretty much on fifty nine seconds when the
kick was called off. McKenzie had an earlier penalty Teck successful.
It took around a minute ten seen since, and they're
having a shot clock at him Parke tonight. I just
wonder why, after eighteen months of this sixty second rule

(18:13):
being in that we haven't seen shot clocks before, not
in this part of the world anyway. So a lot
of intrigue in the game. You've got the two sides
which are pretty much unchanged. Mentioned the officiating, there's the
English rush defense. All black teams have struggled for so long,
generally against this very fast defense. So tonight will we

(18:35):
see those little kicks over the top again? Will we
see box kicking from from Finlay Christie to helf that,
will we see crossfield kicks from McKenzie and maybe Bowden Barrett.
So a lot of unanswered questions ahead of what is
going to be a big, big game tonight. And then
the other equation is you've got England coaches who are

(18:56):
very very good at astute against this new band of
all black coaches who've had another week to massage their
game plan and get their charges ready.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, it's going to be a fascinating watch. Can't wait
for kickoff just after seven o'clock this evening before of
course on News Talk ZB. Is it coming home?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yes, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (19:19):
Well, look England, it's England Spain seven o'clock. It's on
TVNZ Plus and Juke on Monday morning. It's going to
be huge. I'd imagine there'll be so many pubs around
the country with people wedged in before they go to
work or maybe take half day or a day off.
Spain hot favorite, of course, but the English I thought

(19:42):
they attack much better in that semi final.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Isn't it amazing? How like a bit of cohesion and
all of a sudden when things click for the first time,
you've got all this talent on the pitch. A little
bit of cohesion makes a hell of a difference.

Speaker 7 (19:56):
And you've I mean, Garra Southgate, the manager of Ringland's
under huge pressure, so much pressure, and he makes that
call to take Harry Kane and Duke Bellingham off. I thought,
oh dear, what's he done? And then all of a
sudden Watkins scores that stoppage time goal. But you may
maybe England there is running into enough form for this,

(20:19):
for this big, big final on Monday morning, which has
captivated this tournament, has captivated a lot of people. Great atmosphere, Yeah,
in those venues all around Germany. The England rugby team
are going to be on a plane home at that time.
Talking to captain Jamie George the other day, he said,
fingers crossed, the Bain's got bloody good WiFi.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's tricky for them. I'll tell you what,
nothing nothing makes you feel old when as a thirty
seven year old you're watching the Euros absolutely devouring the
Euros and you realize that not only is Germany's coach
younger than you, but that you are the same age
as Spain's wingers combined, which is which is what I

(21:00):
realized this week, which is so Yeah. I just I've
I've just totally as I've said before, I've just totally
leaned into football tournament life. I'm going to be bereefed
after the Euro's final on Monday, but thank goodness we
have the Olympics only a week and a half away.
Thank you very much, sav That is our sporto Andrew Savill,
thank you for all of your messages as well as morning.

(21:21):
We've had so many, Jack. I know several people in
their eighties who are sharp as It really annoys me
when people say it's Joe Biden's age. That's the problem.
As a US doctor commented recently, there are plenty of
sharp octagenarians. Unfortunately, Joe Biden isn't one of them. Love
your show, says dougle Mean, he is kind of if
you give him time to digest stuff, he is still

(21:43):
like he can be quite analytical and thoughtful and all
of that. Clearly, I mean, he's still clearly very intelligent.
The problem is that in the moment he's not necessarily
super coherent. I'll get to Mari your feedback very shortly.
Next up, though, your film picks for this week. It
is twenty six minutes to ten, twenty four. Sorry, it's

(22:05):
just taking ot a Katy Perry there. Sorry, Katie, we'll give.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
You a first.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh it's dangerous when you interrupt a song as a man,
a song called Woman's World. You just blunder on. And sorry,
Katie p you're a Jack Taime. This Saturday morning twenty
three to ten, which means it's time to catch up
with our film review of Francesca Rudkin for this week's
movie picks mor dinner morning. Okay, so we saw this
trailer at home for the first film that we're going

(22:34):
to be sharing with you this morning, and my wife said, oh,
that looks amazing, and I said, it looks awfully like
a film I saw about twenty years ago. But let's
let our audience make up their own minds. This is Twisters.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
You want a generation tornado outbreak continues Tahoma. We've never
seen tornados like this before, and we need your help. No,
I don't chase anymore.

Speaker 9 (22:51):
Okay, we just sived lives.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Who are they?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Tyler orwans cause himself a tornado ringer.

Speaker 10 (22:57):
Damn your scared, scared?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Okay, this is Twisters, not to confused with twist tur If.

Speaker 11 (23:09):
You feel it, chase it. They could be a bit
of a model for life.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Feel it, fase it, chase it.

Speaker 11 (23:15):
This has got everything you want in a blockbuster. Jack.
It's got a lot of high speed actions, some pretty
good special effects. Actually, it's got a lot of humor.
It's got a touch of romance, but it's just a touch.
There's not even a kiss here, because this is family entertainment, okay.
And it's really cheesy at times and a touch predictable,
and it's good fun. Yeah, it's everything that you want

(23:35):
out of a blockbuster. And you're absolutely right. You possibly
saw this film in nineteen ninety six. So they're saying
that it's kind of not they're not sort of saying
that it's a remake, and they're not saying it's a sequel.
It's kind of like just the film but in a
contemporary kind of setting. But you know, they can't even
quite use the words climate change or anything. There is
this sort of there's a sense that you know there

(23:55):
is a change in the climate, but we don't even
use those words either, so it's taking it very, very safely.
But hey, two fabulous leads here with great chemistry, Daisy
egg Jones and Glenn Powell. Glen Pale's sort of like
the man of the moment. Actually he's a man on
and he's particularly steamy in this one, I must say. Anyway,

(24:16):
So it's sort of fount that it's not going to
blow your socks off. But this is really great entertainment.
I think for the Holidays doesn't take it south too
seriously while trying to also take the fact that tornadoes
and their destruction they cause is serious, if you know
what I mean, the sort of nicely kind of balancing
that up. And basically we do. We just watch a

(24:36):
couple of We watch your tornado wrangler played by Glenn
and a tornado whisperer played by Daisy kind of start
out on sort of opposite sides of the tornado and
then and then sort of come together a little bit throughout,
and that's all you need to know.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Good fun. I'm just going to read one line from this.
So is it Harvey Harvey cakes? Yeah, yeah, So she
crosses path with I'm presuming Glenn Power's character Tyler Owens,
a charming but reckless social media superstar who thrives on
posting his storm cheesing adventures.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
Yeah, pretty much. So he's the YouTuber and she's sort
of the scientist and sociologist. But al, there's a lot
more to the characters than you think. Just remember there.
If you feel it, chase it.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
If you feel it, chase it. Honestly words to lift
by speaking of feeling it. Have I ever told you
about the time I went tornado chasing. No, I didn't
actually took chase like a proper like the tornado had
fizzled by the time I got there. But I was
in Oklahoma for work and there was a massive tornadoes.
The more tornado, I think about thirty five people died, sadly,

(25:42):
and it was like a Category five tornado, like one
of those absolute you know, like where they're like, oh,
this is like a black hole tornado.

Speaker 11 (25:49):
Seen one of those in the movie.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, And I got there and it was a couple
of years after the Christach earthquake, so I've seen all
the destruction in christ Church and then I went to
Oklahoma City and saw this tornado, and I just can't
impress upon you the scale of destruction. It's just unbelievable
what tornadoes can do, Like I think, like three hundred

(26:12):
kilomere in our winds.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
You know.

Speaker 11 (26:14):
Yeah, And I think actually that's the one thing that
to capture. Ye, it's very much the one And when
I sort of said to you, it's that balance between
the film not taking it serious the characters, but actually
very much trying to take seriously the devastation, just the annihilation.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's the p Yeah, I remember it was.

Speaker 11 (26:31):
An unpredictability of them and how to know when they
form and things like that. Look that there are some
interesting aspects of the film.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Oh sounds good. Go okay, all right, So that is
Twisters that is showing in cinemas and it feels like
a kind of movie you probably want to see the holidays. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Next up, tell us about Calfa Fi Torny.

Speaker 12 (26:48):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (26:49):
Now, this was released a couple of weeks ago, and
I really want to take a mention of it because
it's a very powerful historical drama. But it also looks
beautiful and should be seen on the big screen. And
it was really, as I mentioned, released a couple of
weeks ago. It tells the story of the battle for
or Raco in the Waikato, and it's told very much

(27:09):
through the Maury lens here. So we're in eighteen sixty four.
This is probably one of the more dramatic events in
the land wars. I think they actually celebrated one hundred
and sixtieth anniversary that was marked this year of this
particular battle. And at the heart of this film are
two teenagers. One is a young woman, a prophet who
speaks for the war of the God of war. She

(27:33):
is feared by everybody, including her own people. And another
young boy who has a Pakiha father and a Maori mother,
and he is he finds himself in this battle as well.
So the story there at the heart of the story.
Amazing cast Timioda Morrison, Mariam Smithcliff Curtis. So it's a
bit of a mix of the coming of age story

(27:54):
of these young characters, but also a bit of a
coming of age story for New Zealand because the country
was very much in flux at that point and sort
of at this point of chaos. So it's a war
film as well. I mean sat there a lot of
times going okay, brief now take a breath.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, like it's full on.

Speaker 11 (28:09):
So it's wonderful, definitely deserves to be seen on the
big screen.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, great, that sounds really good. So that is car Tournu.
We'll make sure that and Twisters, two rather different films.
It has to be said. That's what we do do.
What is something for everybody exactly. We will make sure
details for both of those films are up on the
news talks, he'd b website. Jack, I'm obsessed with the
whole situation in the US, just like you I have

(28:35):
been with Donald Trump as well. It just goes on
and on and on, says Greg. Here's the thing, though,
if Joe Biden and his team were serious about allaying
all of the concerns regarding Biden's coherence at the moment,
he would have a comprehensive cognitive test immediately. Yeah, you're right, Greg,
And he's refused to do that, which is kind of
telling in itself, isn't it. If you want to flick

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Speaker 2 (29:13):
Ten o'clock on us talks, HEB We're going to take
a closer look at the Galaxy Ring. It sounds like
a bit of a woo woo kind of thing, but
it's one of these health trackers, and they reckon that
this is the one that's really cracked health tracking because
you know, when you had the first kind of fitbits
and stuff that were measuring your heart rate, and you
had the ones that measure your sleep and all that
kind of thing. Some of that, some of the data

(29:34):
recording has been a little bit effee at best, but
they reckon that the Galaxy Ring has absolutely cracked it.
It's been announced by Samsung this week, So we're going
to talk to our texpert about what the Galaxy Ring
does and what it might mean for your health. I'm
just not convinced it for me. I don't I know
if I've had a bad sleep, I don't need my
It's basically every single night, I don't need my ring

(29:57):
to tell me that I'm having a bad seat. Also,
how many rings should men be wearing. Yeah, anyway, it's
another conversation. We'll talk about that after ten o'clock this morning,
right now, fourteen to ten, and our cook Nicki Waks
is here with us, skeled and Nikki.

Speaker 13 (30:11):
Yes, more than a jack. I'm the same with all
those fit things that have shift. I wave my hand
around a lot, so anything on my wrist just thinks
I've done lots of steps for the dome.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh that's there's quite good though, as long as if
it's making errors and it's rounding you up rather than
rounding you down, it's a good thing, right.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Right, Yeah, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Hey, yeah, this morning, but a delicious sounding perfect if
you have taken lots of steps just to make sure
that you're carved up.

Speaker 14 (30:38):
Look, I just.

Speaker 13 (30:39):
Love this putting, and I'm grinning a mile wide because
I just love sharing it with you. It is, as
your lovely producer Libby just said, there's something about warming
citrus that just makes it fragrant and amazing, and so
I love that. This pudding is like a real comfort dish.
But it's also got that sort of refreshingness that I
think citrus brings to any cake or sweet treat.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
You know.

Speaker 13 (31:02):
So it's a sticky citrus self sourcing pudding and super
easy to make. I just make it in one bowl.
This is about enough for four people. What I'm about
to tell you, However, I did eat about half of
it last night. Yeah four people, Yeah, you're fighting for
the last bites, all right. So look, bang your raven
one hundred and eighty degrees cels yes and grease A.

(31:25):
I want to say small ovenproof dish, but I guess
it's enough to feed fourth So just have a think
about that. It might be sort of fifteen centimeters round
or equivalent in an oval. Those old ceramic dishes are great.
Take a bowl and whisk into that one egg, small
to medium egg doesn't really matter. And a third of
a cup of regular sugar. Recently I've discovered I've rediscovered

(31:46):
just regular white sugar, not not caster sugar, just white sugar.
White sugar is about a third of the price of
cast of sugar. So there you go. Does exactly the
same thing. So thood of a cup of regular white sugar,
add in some butter that you've melted, seventy grams of butter.
This gives it that beautiful kind of soft texture to
the cake b and whisk that together, and then in

(32:07):
a food processor. You want to take half a large
kind of orange. Now we're going to blitz that skin
and all. But what I would say is if it's
a if you cut the orange in half and it
is particularly pithy, then maybe scrape off some of the
skin just with a knife, and then take and then
take and remove some of that piff and then just
use the flesh and the skin, if you know what

(32:28):
I mean. It doesn't really matter. It's just that the
pith is nice, but it can be a bit bitter
if you've got too much in there. And every orange
is different. So do that into a pulp and then
add add in the flour you want to make, sorry,
you want to add in the flour, baking powder and
almonds into the orange. Steer that until it's combined, and
then add that into your sugar and egg mix and

(32:48):
butter and just sort of stir that around until it's combined. Oh,
I've got a teaspoon of baking powder in there, half
a cup of flour. I didn't give you those, and
two heap tablespoons of ground almonds. Again, it gives that
lovely soft texture if your batter is just a little
bit too stiff, add one to two tablespoons of milk,
and then scrape that batter into your greased oven dish.

(33:08):
And then what we're going to do is like that
old self saucing pudding. We're going to mix back in
the batter bowl. I just use not to make any
more dishes. One and a half cups of boiling water.
I juice the remaining half of the orange. I've got
a third of a cup of brown sugar, just kind
of loosely packed, and a teaspoon rather of cornflour that
just helps it thinking just a little bit. So mix

(33:29):
all of that together and then gently pour that if
you like, if you're going to be ready technical, over
the back of a spoon over onto the batter. If
you just pour it over the batter, it will make
a little divot in it, which is not ideal. I
wanted to sit on top of that batter, bake it
for about thirty five forty minutes, or until the sort
of cake but is cooked through. You'll have this beautiful
sticky kind of sauce around it. Let it settle just

(33:51):
ever so briefly after you've taken it out of the
out of the oven and serve it with our favorites
jack ice cream, whipped cream, yogurt or all three, maybe
even custard.

Speaker 12 (34:00):
Actually I didn't know it.

Speaker 13 (34:03):
Yeah, and it's divine. It's so delicious. You could use
any citrus for this. You could use I've sometimes used
orange and lemon, but mandarin had work too, Tangerine, it'd work.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
So just go.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
That's interesting. You cook with a mandarin.

Speaker 13 (34:19):
You can cook with a mandarin. Is such a beautiful flavor.
It's really hard to get the piff off of mandarins,
I've got to tell you. Yeah, and it's quite strong,
so you know, it's just a whole different flavor. It's beautiful.

Speaker 11 (34:31):
Yeah, So this is great.

Speaker 13 (34:32):
It's just the dish we need. Imagine imagine watching the
rugby and tucking into a little bowl of this too.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Well, I'm thinking I'm not going to have to imagine nicky,
is what I'm thinking.

Speaker 13 (34:41):
I'm thinking, that's true.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, fantastic. All right, Well, make
sure of course that that is up and available on
the news talks he'd be website. None of the ingredients
there are too complicated. In the fact that feels like
the kind of recipe maybe with the exception of the
ground almonds, if you don't have enough almond meal at home.
We've definitely got almond meal at home because as we
all know, if you want to cake this nice and moist,
you got to cook it with almond meal that you

(35:04):
can cook it. You can cook it at home without
having to go to the supermarket today. But yeah, we'll
make sure that is available very shortly. Right now, it
is eight minutes to ten. You've a Jack Tam. It's
Saturday morning and this is news doorg z'b.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
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Speaker 2 (35:27):
For the entire election cycle, the mainstream media have turned
a blind eye to Biden's state of health, says Ryan.
Thanks Ryan, I think there's a reasonable criticism to be
made that people have maybe and media perhaps has not
taken Biden's health as seriously as they might have, and
maybe the kind of there's a bit to be given

(35:47):
on both sides here, you know, like I've seen some
images of Biden looking kind of bewildered at public events before,
but you've seen the ways in which those images have
been edited. The thing that was really amazing about the debate, though, Ryan,
was that I think it was kind of laid bare
for everyone in that moment. There was no manipulation of
the video. There was nothing that you could dispute that
he just clearly wasn't coherent in that night. It's also

(36:10):
interesting just to compare Joe Biden's sharpness today with his
sharpness of four years ago, like he does seem totally
different and really intriguing. Right to take your criticism and
look at George Clooney's op ed in the New York
Times this week. So Clooney said that he was at
a fundraiser a month or so ago with Joe Biden
and it was clear to him then that Joe Biden

(36:32):
of today was not the same as Joe Biden of
four years ago. And I think an entirely reasonable question
is why are we only hearing about that now? Why
are we only hearing about that now that he's had
this public meltdown? You know, I think totally legitimate there, Ryan,
So thank you for that. If you want to flick
a se message ninety two ninety two is our text number.
Jack at Newstalks hedb dot co dot nz is the
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(36:54):
a good show to watch your stream after the rugby
this weekend, We've got three shows to recommend in our
screen time, including Colin from Accounts, the latest season of
Colin from Accounts Love a TV show that has the
dullest name possible. They've kind of gone It's not like Twisters, right,
like you know with the movie Twisters that Yeah, you're

(37:15):
probably going to be getting some action. Oh, let's watch
a show called column from Accounts. Yeah, okay maybe anyway,
we'll tell you about the new season of that after
ten o'clock this morning. And while we do that, a
question for you to ponder. How many millionaires are there
in New Zealand. We're talking net wealth, so you know,
takeing the equity that you might have in a family home.

(37:38):
How many millionaire households do reck and there are in
New Zealand. We'll tell you after ten o'clock and let
me tell you this, the answer might surprise you. A
feature interview right after the news, Nick Robinson from shapeshifter
celebrating twenty five years. It is almost ten o'clock though
News is Next Hit is Saturday Morning. I'm Jack dam
and this is News dogs Vy.

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Speaker 2 (39:08):
Oh get you going? Does it not? It gets you going?
The pioneers of one of New Zealand's most popular music
genres have been celebrating twenty five years together. Yeah, it
is the twenty fifth anniversary the formation of shape Shifter
crazy A They formed in christ Jurch nineteen ninety nine,

(39:28):
and you would have to say have carved out an
incredible career since seven albums, four EPs. And yet after
twenty five years, shape Shifter is showing no signs of stopping,
with big plans for the summer ahead. Nick Robinson from
shape Shifter is with us this morning, Kilder Nick.

Speaker 15 (39:46):
Jodo, Well, I'm feeling good about myself after that introduction?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Are you feeling I'm just going to say, this is
someone who has been around and enjoying your music for
all of those twenty five years. Dear, I asked, does
it make you feel a little bit?

Speaker 9 (39:57):
I don't know old, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 15 (40:02):
And you know, like sort of building up to this
twenty five year thing, it was almost like, oh, you know.

Speaker 9 (40:10):
That is that a good look? Are we too old?

Speaker 16 (40:12):
You know?

Speaker 9 (40:12):
Like, you know, I don't feel old.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I don't think you're old. I don't think you're old.
I don't think disolved. No, no, no, but I mean
this is the thing, right like we're looking at the
twenty fifth anniversary and considering, you know, what you guys
have achieved over the last couple of decades. It's it
is a pretty like substantial achievement. Can you can you
distill the success for us? Why? You know, why do

(40:38):
you think we are here after twenty five years of music,
still celebrating Shape Shifter?

Speaker 9 (40:44):
Yeah, I think ferously.

Speaker 15 (40:46):
I just reaching the twenty five years is probably the
proudest thing we've all felt the whole time, just actually
being able to stay together and remain such good friends.
And you know, we're more than friends, We're family. And
I think, you know, our relationship as a band has
been what's got us through, and it's it's and you know,

(41:07):
we all respect each other so much as musicians and
as friends, we're willing to flex there's no ego there,
so I think we can sort of bounce off each
other and.

Speaker 9 (41:17):
Get the best results. And you know, really sort of
it's just been so enjoyable.

Speaker 15 (41:23):
Yeah, you know, there's been ups and downs, but it's
twenty five years, but I feel like the fire inside
and I look forward to gags and I really look
forward to going away on tour with the boys, and look.

Speaker 9 (41:35):
Forward to getting in the studio. So I think it's just,
you know, passion's.

Speaker 15 (41:37):
Still there, and we just sort of love what we do,
and we sort of love the way we've done it
on our own terms and never tried to write hat
songs or anything, and just.

Speaker 9 (41:50):
Sort of enjoy it. And it's sort of played out luckily.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So for our listeners who might not be totally familiar
with every part of the shape shift A story. Can
you take us back to the genesis? Can you take
us back to nineteen ninety nine life and christ Church
and how you guys came together and started making music.

Speaker 9 (42:09):
Yeah, we were at the jazz school. We met at
the Jazz School in christ Church.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
And I studied right around the corner from the jazz school.
What was that pub called on the Dress Street?

Speaker 9 (42:17):
Can you remember, you'd be thinking of the jet Set Lounge.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, the jet Zet Lounge.

Speaker 15 (42:23):
Yes, yeah, yes, so yeah, many nights spent, you know,
drinking the drugs of spats and orange juice or whatever
you wanted to drink. But yeah, great times the ra
But yeah, we were all together in the jazz school
and we were put into an ensemble together, so you
get put into jazz groups, and we were actually put

(42:43):
together and just sort of headed off. We just had
such a great time and we started playing all different
types of music.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
And at the time in christ Church, druman Base was
pretty getting pretty big.

Speaker 15 (42:56):
You know, there were UK drum and Bassed DJ's coming
and there were lines around the corner you know for
these acts, and we loved it. It was kind of
like a new cutting edge music and we love that
sort of jazz was was like that when it was
when it was new, you know, so we wanted to
be on the edge of what of modern music, So

(43:19):
we sort of you know, our drummer at the time, Redford,
had this crazy ability to play anything, like he was
just the heart behind the behind the bands. Yeah, and
we and we just sort of started mimicking drum and
Bassed DJs, but in a live situation. So that's how
we kind of kicked off and it and it seemed

(43:40):
to go down pretty well.

Speaker 9 (43:41):
And then in a short sort of space of time where.

Speaker 15 (43:43):
We're touring with Salwanella dub Yep and that really kicked
everything off.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
It isn't it amazing how you know to compare those
different genres of music, right, because if you were just
to just to take them at face value, a lot
of people would say, well, what does drum and bass
have to do with jazz? But actually it's you know,
the kind of muw that you guys have tried to
make where you're pushing boundaries has a lot in common

(44:11):
with Do you think having that that jazz background, and
that not necessarily theoretical background, but having studied music in
the way that you do when you go through jazz school,
do you think that that ultimately benefits your music?

Speaker 15 (44:23):
I think it does in the long run, but you
have to kind of shake all that knowledge and go
back to the basics. And drummond bases are pretty simple,
repetitive music a lot of the time, but you know,
the nuances are in the in the slight core differences
within the different since and and so there's there's complication there,

(44:44):
but it comes across pretty pretty simple. So you do
kind of have to have to shake that like that
sort of jazz thing where you're trying to play as
much as you can, you know. But I think, you know,
a lot of it was meeting people at the jazz school,
and you know, and I think if you like jazz,

(45:04):
you probably like a lot of other type to music
as well. We were never really jazz purists, but yeah,
going to the school itself is such a great environment
to meet people and you know, the future sort of
musicians of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
How do you continue to feed creativity after you've been
playing music with you know, your mates and playing playing
music with the same people for a large slab of
your life, how do you how do you keep it fresh?

Speaker 15 (45:34):
Yeah, that's that's an interesting one. We have to freshen
up a lot, you know, we have to sort of
live our own lives as well. You know, it can't
be too too focused, you know, and we've all got
our own interests and you know, we can get away
from it and then come back and and just I

(45:55):
think it's.

Speaker 9 (45:55):
Just all of it.

Speaker 15 (45:56):
It's in our personalities since we were all young, you know,
we've all sort of been really interested in writing music
and and and getting inspired by music that we hear
as well. So I think, you know, that's probably the
main thing. Getting inspired by all different types of music,
and getting inspired by not just music but by other

(46:18):
people being successful in what they do. You know, it's
quite inspiring as well. Yeah, so I think, yeah, just
the fire is still there to kind of prove it
to ourselves, and also just the basic fact of listening
to something going, oh that's cool. Yeah, I love that,
you know, that makes me feel something that makes me
feel sad, or it makes me feel nostalgic or you

(46:41):
know those sort of things.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
It's just it's a buzz to actually do.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
So as someone who consumes music and you know, and
loves listening to music but doesn't have to make music
for a living, I'm really interested in this concept because
the way I listen to music now, like lots of people,
is through streaming platforms and through Spotify, right, And there's
whatever complicated algorithm behind the machine that sees Jack like this,

(47:07):
Therefore he'll like this. Therefore he'll like this, And it
kind of feeds you a pretty steady diet and I
you know, when you're just sitting there kind of mindlessly
listening to music, that's great, But I would have thought
that as a creative there is a little bit of
a risk if you're relying on those kind of systems,
because actually it's just it's just feeding your stuff you

(47:28):
already know and like, and it's maybe not maybe not
challenging you to be inspired or creative in a way
that you might otherwise have been. Is that is that okay?

Speaker 9 (47:37):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 15 (47:38):
And I think a lot of the time it would
be a case of what record company has got the
best relationship with Spotify? Yeah, true, and pushing the artists
onto playlists.

Speaker 9 (47:53):
Yeah, of course, yeah, things like that. So so a.

Speaker 15 (47:57):
Lot of it, you know, Spotify is great for listening
and I've got Spotify, yep, and and I've been through
the same journey as you and getting fed this.

Speaker 9 (48:05):
Music and what's this This is cool? And oh that's
related to these artists and oh I never knew about
all this. This is great. So there is that too,
But yeah, a lot of it as well was sort.

Speaker 15 (48:16):
Of going on your own search, and it's not just Spotify.
There's other sort of you know platforms you can buy music,
your beat ports and your things like that that have
got yeah, I don't know, twenty thousand new songs coming
out of day, you know, so you can sort of
go on your own journey and find music.

Speaker 9 (48:35):
You like like that. But yeah, the world is really
sort of wrapped up in a Spotify trap almost.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, when you guys are creating,
like you said, you feel inspired sometimes, like you hear
something new and you go, oh, man, that's that's cool,
when it might lead you down a path where you
create something that's a little bit different than you might
have otherwise created, Like you're kind of you're conscious of
that that phenomenon, I suppose.

Speaker 15 (49:00):
Yeah, yeah, I think you have to sort of get inspired.
But then you can't be like I really wanted to
write a track like yes, you know, yeah, there's.

Speaker 9 (49:12):
So much of it.

Speaker 15 (49:12):
It's so easy to do too, because you listen to
it and you feel like a kid and you're like, oh,
I want to be like that, you know, yeah, you know,
just natural, so you kind of got to. But that's
the thing about getting to the studio with with people.
No one's got the same vision in their head. And
then you're like, oh, this is like, where's this going.
This isn't what I thought it was going to do.

(49:34):
But because I'm flexible and I trust the other guys,
you know, it's like, well this is cool, and we're
all thinking that, and all of a sudden, this, the
song or this idea is like its own living entity
that doesn't belong to any of us. It's its own thing,
you know. So it's kind of cool.

Speaker 9 (49:50):
It's almost like magic in a way.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
So I was thinking about it before the interview. I
Reckon shape Shifter would have a good claim. I don't
know how you ever quantify this, but I Reckon shape
Shifter has a good claim to having played and headlined
more festivals in New Zealand literally any other artist or
band ever. I mean that it would be up there, right,

(50:13):
I'm not.

Speaker 9 (50:14):
Probably would be because I mean, yeah, the length of
time and we have been doing.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah it's the sound baby, yeah. Yeah. And so if
that's the case, what would you say is the key
to a good festival? What makes a good festival?

Speaker 15 (50:31):
Well, you could the sort of the boring side of
it that you don't think about much, as the security,
the amount of toilets, and the amount of bar people
can get. Yeah, but you would be surprised, like if
that that's in order.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
You see a happy crowd and you feel a happy crowd.
If you have you play to a.

Speaker 15 (50:51):
Crowd the tired a little bit annoyed, you can feel
that too.

Speaker 9 (50:57):
But yeah, I think.

Speaker 15 (51:00):
A good festival is for me would be a variety
of different music, so you're not just sort of listening
to the same drum and bass beat for ten hours,
you know, or something like that. So a good variety, yeah,
and just and just the festival, the people running the
festival just making it.

Speaker 9 (51:19):
Easy for people to do what they need to do.

Speaker 15 (51:23):
Yeah, the amount of space so they're not sort of
crammed in and bumping shoulders and things like that.

Speaker 9 (51:30):
So yeah, I would say.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
And maybe maybe clear Skies probably as the final element, guys.

Speaker 15 (51:38):
Yeah, although we did we did a gig Electric Avenue
in christ Church and it started rating as we played
and it was just magical.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah see yeah, yeah yeah. Can you Okay, this is
a bit of a mean question, but can you think
is there a festival that stands out to you as
being like the most disastrous festival? And I know there's
nothing on the kind of fire festival scale. But is
there is there one that you can think of in
your in your past that stands out.

Speaker 9 (52:05):
All that's in my head that in the woodstock.

Speaker 17 (52:08):
But I was thinking, oh, I can't, I can't think
of one off off the back of my head.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I mean it must be weather orlated, right, like if
there was a in one that is kind of washed
out and everyone's a knee deep mud or something like
that exactly.

Speaker 9 (52:27):
So yeah, I think years back we were running crag.

Speaker 15 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah, we had a we had a year where
the creek came right up and washed him being away
and we had just been one hundred grand on a
gravel road and oh yeah, so we could go on
and on about whether we have Yeah, weather's enemy.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
You've become like that absolute like meteorological expert for about
four months a year. Yeah. Hey, so almost out of time.
But to tell us about your plans this summer. What
what can we expect for your shows through summer?

Speaker 15 (53:03):
Yeah, Well, we're sort of we're still vibing on this
twenty five year things. So we've kind of got going
to do a couple of.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
Things, nostalgia things.

Speaker 15 (53:12):
We're playing at the Coraglin Tavern in the twenty eighth
of December, and that's that's.

Speaker 9 (53:17):
A place we used to play in the early days
of all the time.

Speaker 15 (53:21):
You know, we've sort of been playing a lot of
sort of bigger venues in recent years, so this has
been really cool to go back. We did the town
Halls a few weeks ago, and so we're going to
be looking at Coragland Tavern and Black Barn and Havelock North.

Speaker 9 (53:36):
We're doing that on the seventh of December. That's a
beautiful venue.

Speaker 15 (53:41):
Yeah, so just sort of those sort of venues and
we're gonna and we're going to play some sort of
of the oldest stuff that we played in our twenty
five year tour and a bit of new stuff as well.

Speaker 9 (53:52):
And yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Oh kat Waite, Hey, thank you so much for your time. Nick,
We really appreciate it. Congratulations on twenty five years and
he's the twenty five more.

Speaker 15 (54:02):
Exactly twenty five more. Thanks for having me. It's an
honor to be on the show.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
That is Nick Robinson from Shape Shifter celebrating twenty five years.
We've got all the details for their summer shows up
on the News Talks. He'db website as well. Coming up
before eleven o'clock on News Talks EDB, We're going to
take a closer look at this Galaxy Ring, as in
Samsung Galaxy Ring. So they reckon they being you know,
the Internet reckons that this Galaxy Ring is maybe the

(54:27):
best personal health tracker that has so far hit the
mass market, you know. So it does your heart rate,
it does your sleep cycles, all that kind of thing.
We'll tell you a bit a little bit about it,
and ow text Bird is going to give us his
review before eleven o'clock. Next up, though, if you're looking
for some good shows to watch, perhaps after the rugby
this evening for the rest of the weekend over the
school holidays, three fantastic shows to recommend in our screen

(54:49):
time segment. Right now it is twenty three minutes past ten.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Taine and bpuret dot code on
INZD for high quality supplements used Talks.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
EDB Hi Jack, great interview with Nick from shape Shifter.
Their recent Auto Tuhy gig the Town Hall and christ
Church was amazing, very talented, very talented people and apparently
Nick and fellow band member Sam are also very good
tennis players. There you go. Nine two ninety two is
our text number if you want to flick us the message.
This morning, it's twenty six past ten, which means it's

(55:21):
screen Timetime Brah with our screen time expert Tara Awards.
She's got three shows to recommend this morning, Mornar and Atara. Well,
good morning, Okay, let's begin with the show streaming on
Apple TV plus tell Us about Sonny.

Speaker 18 (55:36):
This is an intriguing new show. It's a dark thriller
set in Japan, and it stars American actor Rashida Jones,
who's done a lot of comedy in the past shows
like parts of recreation in the office, but this is
quite a different, more serious.

Speaker 11 (55:49):
Role for her.

Speaker 18 (55:50):
She's playing Suzie, who is an American woman living in
Japan with her husband and son and when when the
show begins, her family have just gone missing in a
plane crash, and to compensate for the loss of her family,
Susie is given a domestic robot from her husband's company
to help around the house. And it's the first sign
that Susie's husband wasn't being completely honest with her. She

(56:11):
had no idea he worked in robotics, but he's made
this robot for her, and this is where things get
really weird together. Susie and her robot are going to
work out what actually happened to her husband and son.
And when I read that synopsis, I thought, really, But
in the show, it feels quite believable and plausible, and
it reminded me a bit of a mix between Black

(56:31):
Mirror and Severance. You know, it's playing with her ideas
about how technology is everywhere, how it can take over
our lives, you know, not always for the better. It's
very stylish and slow and dark, and I'm not quite
sure if it's going to lean more into being a
conspiracy thriller or a sci fi sort of psychological drama.
But there's a lot going on here, some dark comedy

(56:52):
as well. But don't let that plot put you off.
This is a quality show.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Okay, sounds interesting, Sonny. That's on Apple TV Plus. A
new season of Colin from Accounts is on TV and
Z Plus.

Speaker 18 (57:03):
Yeah, Colin from Accounts is back this week. This is
the brilliant award winning Australian romantic comedy series. Season two
drops on Wednesday on TVNZ Plus, but season one is
on there now and if you're looking for something to
watch this weekend that's warm and light and genuinely funny.
I can't recommend this more. This is about two strangers,
Gordon and Ashley, who are involved in a car accident

(57:23):
and as a result, they have to look after this
stray injured dog together. They name the dog Colin from Accounts,
and the dog brings their two very messy lives together
and they begin to form each other. And the best
thing about the show is the chemistry between the two
lead actors, played by Patrick Brammel and Harriet Dyer. They
also created and wrote the show, and they are married

(57:43):
in real life, so there's a lovely background to this.
And their characters have nothing in common except for the dog,
but ye, some kind of connection there and they kind
of balance each other out and it's just a lot
of fun and it's full of that really dry, sharp
Australian sense of humor that yeah makes it.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Work so good. Yeah, can't wait for that Colin from
account So that's on TVNZ Plus and on Netflix. Marcel
the Shell with Shoe on Yeah.

Speaker 18 (58:08):
Ending with something a little bit different today. This is
a movie that came out a couple of years ago
in cinemas, but it's just landed on Netflix and it's
an absolute gem. It's about a tiny little talking shell
named Marcel, and Marcel lives with his grandmother in an
airbnb in America, and when a documentary maker comes to stay,
he starts filming Marcel and helps Marcel become this global

(58:29):
internet star, and that means Marcel can start looking for
his shell family, who has been separated from It's a
stop motion animation movie, but it's made as if it's
a real documentary. It's quite convincing, and you see the
world through the eyes of this tiny little shell. Marcella's
childlike and innocent, but also quite clever and charming and
perceptive about some of the weird things that us adults do.

(58:53):
You know, it's very heartwarming, not in a sweet, sickly way.
It's just a delight and perfect timing for the school holidays.

Speaker 11 (59:00):
But this isn't just a.

Speaker 13 (59:01):
Kid's film, you know.

Speaker 18 (59:02):
I don't think you're ever too old to watch a
movie like this.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
It's jeff lovely, fantastic. Okay, this sounds great. Marcel the
Shell with shoes on that's on Netflix. Don't say that
three times fast. That's complicated. Marcel the Shell's Shoes on
Colin from Accounts is on TV and Z Plus Sunny's
on Apple TV plus. All of those shows are up
on the newstalk's 'B website. Just so you know, in
the last couple of minutes, the judge in Santa Fe,
New Mexico, has dismissed the case against Alec Baldwin, the

(59:30):
movie star who was facing charges of involuntary manslaughter, apparently
because the judge found that the state, as in New
Mexico improperly withheld evidence in the case. So in the
last couple of minutes the charges have been dismissed. The
case has been dismissed. Alec Baldwin is free to go.
We'll have more of that in our news when it

(59:51):
comes up at eleven o'clock. Right now, it's just gone
ten thirty with Jack Tame on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
EDB, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 19 (01:00:10):
Please stands du dand up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Is also twenty five years old. Shape Shift is twenty
five years old. So is Slim Shady Eminem's provocative alter
ego nineteen ninety nine that came out on the Slim
Shady LP.

Speaker 9 (01:00:36):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Eminem was born Marshall Mathers. He was raised in Detroit
in a low income, majority African American neighborhood. And he
used rap as a bit of an escape. And you
got to say, even if you don't love his music,
you can probably appreciate that he's pretty talented when it
comes to the kind of flow that he has in
his rap. He I think honed it through years of

(01:00:57):
competing in spectacular rap battles. He also has a bit
of a punchan for controversy. It has to be said,
Eminem often name drops the various people in his lyrics.
He's not afraid to speak his opinions publicly anyway. He
has just released his twelfth album amidst an ongoing wave
of Naughty's revivalism, and he's announced he's killing Slim Shady off.

(01:01:21):
So the album was released yesterday. Our music reviewer has
been listening to the Death of Slim Shady and we're
going to have a bit of a listen after eleven
o'clock this morning. You can make up your own mind
on that. Yeah, Hi, I'm not afraid to say I
don't mind a bit of eminem from time to time,
rite time and place. He's not an everyday kind of thing,
but write time and place. I'm into a bit of eminem,
and I certainly think he is a talent. Before eleven o'clock,

(01:01:45):
how many millionaires Dereck and there are in New Zealand.
We've been doing the numbers, and our money guy this week,
Ed mcnight has been doing the numbers anyway, and let
me tell you this. You might be surprised. You might
be a little bit surprised, not only at the number
of millionaires in New Zealand, but at the number of
multi millionaires in New Zealand. So we will reveal all
very shortly. Right now, it is twenty five minutes to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers, the mic Hosking.

Speaker 20 (01:02:13):
Breakfast zimpak is changing the world. Of course, leading international
obesity expert doctor Ben Gonzalez as with us. What's your
view on this whole GLP revolution.

Speaker 21 (01:02:20):
Well, I've been using this medication for over seven years,
and of course celebrity attention just kind of shoots up
the attention. I think it's a very useful, powerful, safe drug,
but it needs to be used appropriately with appropriate doctor intervention.

Speaker 20 (01:02:34):
But the problem is it isn't is it?

Speaker 16 (01:02:35):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:02:36):
And I've been watching year and a half and watching
these pop up weight loss spas, these weight loss and
are just kind of selling the drug and doctors not
being fully trained on how to manage the medication, just
kind of writing the prescriptions.

Speaker 16 (01:02:47):
Will in Ellie.

Speaker 10 (01:02:47):
Then there you have it.

Speaker 20 (01:02:48):
Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguar Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Twenty two to eleven on Newstalk ZEDB. Sam Sung has
had their big mobile product launch event this week out Texsbit.
Paul Steinhouse has been keeping a close eye on things.
Various products get their launch this week, Paul, but all
eyes are on the Galaxy Ring.

Speaker 12 (01:03:11):
Yeah. I actually just really like that.

Speaker 16 (01:03:13):
It feels like Samsung actually does some innovation. Yeah, because
Apple's just kind of you know exactly what's going to
be there where they kind of put They do some
interesting things, right, like even their folding phone is super cool.
Their range of lifestyle TVs, the ones for outdoors and
the ones that look like picture frames, like they're actually
doing some cool stuff. And yeah, the Galaxy Ring is
another one that they're doing, and it's getting the headlines.

(01:03:36):
They've become the first major brand to launch what is
effectively a health tracker on your finger.

Speaker 12 (01:03:42):
So think if your fitbit back in the day or
your Apple Watch.

Speaker 16 (01:03:47):
This has been shrunk down now to a ring and
you put it on your finger. It comes with an accelerometer,
it comes with a heart rate sensor, It looks at
the temperature of your skin. It can track your sleep,
your activity, It does all those kinds of things, and
it comes in a very stylish gold, silver or black
jack on a titanium frame. Interesting though for this product

(01:04:08):
because it's not like you can just go down to
the store or maybe you can, I guess, and just
buy it or buy it as.

Speaker 12 (01:04:13):
A gift because it can't be adjusted. It's a ring.

Speaker 16 (01:04:16):
Yeah, So there's also a sizing kit, which it's kind
of funny for this product, and it's going to be
an Android only product, so the Apple folks they can't
get on board.

Speaker 12 (01:04:28):
And when it's connected to your phone.

Speaker 16 (01:04:29):
I really like this actually, and this is some of
that innovation I was talking about that I think is
kind of cool on your finger, that the rings on right,
you're taking a selfie or you've got someone, you know,
like holding the phone, or it's on a stand or something,
and you want to take a picture.

Speaker 12 (01:04:42):
You just double pinch and it will take the take.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
It again, double pinch.

Speaker 16 (01:04:48):
So let's imagine that you've got your shot, it's on
a tripod. You're like, oh, yeah, I think we're going
to look great. You can be there with everybody and
then just two with your ah, double pinch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
That's quite cool. Yeah, it's quite cool.

Speaker 12 (01:05:01):
You Comparently you can also dismiss an alarm like that too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
It's probably too too easy. I think the key of
having an alarm is that you've got to make it
tricky to turn off. Don't you seen.

Speaker 12 (01:05:11):
Those videos where they have the alarm that has wheels or.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, that runs off around the bedroom. You've got to
chase it. Yeah. I feel like my wife could do
with one of those from time to time. Maybe that
I am that version, I am that alarm for her
running off around the room. Yeah, okay, that sounds that
sounds quite intriguing. Here's the thing though, when it comes
to personal health trackers, I'm not sure that I wore one.
Do you do you use one?

Speaker 12 (01:05:34):
I don't. I think it's a really.

Speaker 16 (01:05:36):
I don't know if this is where you're going or not,
but I think there's a really fascinating conversation, especially here
in the US where private insurance companies, you know, yeah,
in the healthcare system, and I think we've got this
like wealth of information at our fingertips about like, how
is that going to start to play into our insurance?

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Yeah, premium coverage, right.

Speaker 12 (01:05:55):
Oh, you don't. It doesn't look like you're getting out
that much. We're gonna we're gonna charge you more.

Speaker 16 (01:06:00):
Or I feel the same way about those the you know,
you swab your mouth and you do your genealogy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 12 (01:06:07):
So I don't do that either.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yeah, it's kind of Yeah, I think it is a
little bit messy. But but just like in the basic stuff,
I don't don't feel like I need my ring to
tell me that I had a bad sleep last night,
or that my that I haven't been accelerating enough, or
that you know, I maybe haven't got enough step. I
just you know, I just apple watch.

Speaker 12 (01:06:25):
I do an apple Watch. And the thing that annoy
me was it's always every time to stand. I'm like,
I know, but I have another.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Meeting, Yeah exactly, And I can't and you just kind
of feel guilty in this, like anxiety over it or something. Yeah,
I'm not totally sure. Hey, very quickly, Le's find it
a very good motivator. No, that's true, that's true. Maybe
it's just an each to their own kind of thing.
Very quickly, Texans are getting help on tracking power outages
from a bit of an unlikely hero.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
I love this.

Speaker 12 (01:06:49):
There's a Burger chain in Texas that seems to be
on like every.

Speaker 16 (01:06:52):
Corner of Houston opt And so when the people of
Houston found themselves without power this week, the power company
didn't really have a very good map to show that and.

Speaker 12 (01:07:03):
Who came to the rescue?

Speaker 16 (01:07:04):
But what a Burger Yeah, because their app could show
you what stores were open and closed, and their formage
stores had power and didn't, and there were so many
stores that it gave a very clear visual of where
the power is and where the power is not in
the city.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
So isn't it amazing? Yeah? Quite simple? Yeah, that's quite clever.
Very good. Hey, thank you, Paul. We will catch up
with you again very soon. That is our texpert, Paul
Stenthouse after eleven o'clock on News Talk ZB We're going
to introduce you to a new word this morning, speaking
of technology. It's called fubbing. Now fubbing is spelled p
h ubbing fubbing. We'll leave you to muse over that

(01:07:46):
for a few minutes. What do you think fubbing involves?
I'll give you a hint. The pH is for phone fubbing.
Have I think about that right now? At is seventeen
to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
No bitter way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and Bpewart on cot
Z for high quality supplements used talks eNB.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It is quarter two eleven, no news talk zedb Ed
McKnight is our money guy. This weekend is with us
now killed.

Speaker 22 (01:08:10):
Eh going to talk to here?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Yeah you too, so put us out of our misery.
How many millionaires are there in New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (01:08:18):
It is outrageous and I almost fell off the chair
when I called up stats in z According to their numbers,
about four hundred and thirty nine thousand households, so individual
households around the country. Now we should clear up what
we mean by millionaires as well. We're talking net worths,
so that would be including your house minus you mortgage.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, I say there, that's I mean a million dollars.
Let's be totally honest. A million dollars isn't what it
was a couple of decades ago. I mean, there's inflation
for you, right, But still that is a huge number
of millionaires. What about multimillionaires.

Speaker 22 (01:08:55):
Well, when it comes to people with two million dollars plus, again,
I couldn't believe it. Ten percent of people in New
Zealand are multi millionaires worth two million dollars or more.
And a lot of that will be household wealth in
terms of somebody buying a house and as you've owned
it for fifteen years, it's probably gone up in value substantially.

(01:09:15):
You'll probably have paid off some of the mortgage.

Speaker 7 (01:09:17):
But still those numbers.

Speaker 22 (01:09:19):
We sometimes tell ourselves in New Zealand that, you know,
we're not as rich as the Australians, the Americans of
British And when I looked at those numbers, thinking that
almost a quarter New Zealanders are living in a millionaire household,
I've started to change my under But we are a
rich country and there's a lot of opportunity here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
So how did those people get their money?

Speaker 22 (01:09:41):
A lot of it does come from housing, especially those
people in the kind of millionaire club one to two
million dollars. Once hit above the two million dollars in
closer to the three million dollar mark, a lot of
those people houses iNTS and may not even count their houses,
may not even count towards these numbers. So it starts
to be from business.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, I mean that the housing makes
kind of a lot of sense. And I suppose when
you're talking about net worth as well, like people's kind
of assets have appreciated a huge amount in recent years.
But yeah, the business kind of distinguishes people. So what
does this actually mean though? Is there you know, how

(01:10:21):
do how do we you know, how do we shake
down compared to other parts around the world, and what
does having this wealth actually mean for us?

Speaker 10 (01:10:31):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:10:31):
I think the main thing for listening to the show
is I was just in giving a seminar to a
group of multi professionals and I was trying to use
these numbers to show that there is actually money out
there and we can be a little bit more aspirational.
And the issue that I sometimes come up against is
that New Zealanders often don't like to talk about their money,

(01:10:54):
and especially those people with money often don't like to
talk about it because we don't want to throw it
in each other's faces. We don't want to make people
feel bad. The fact that some people have money and
others in society are doing it really really tough. At
the moment, Bleas that broke in a little bit and says,
actually making a decent amount of wealth is possible in

(01:11:15):
this country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Yeah, and you reckon, there's opportunity with this.

Speaker 22 (01:11:21):
I think once you start to break it down, it
made me realize how reachable I was going to say achievable.
It's not necessarily achievable, but it's reachable for people. You know,
if you bought the average house in Auckland back in
two thousand and ten, the average two you were just

(01:11:42):
saying about six hundred k, because the average house in
Auckland was four hundred and fifty k fourteen years ago.
Today it's about one point five million. And if you
had just held that making six hundred K from the
house going up value, maybe you'd paid two hundred k
the mortgage over that time and have some deposit there.
You start to end it up pretty quickly, and we're
getting close to that million dollar mark, and it was

(01:12:02):
quite fascinating when I was giving that seminar with down
on Door where we started creating plans for how could
we each make a million dollars over twenty odd years. Yeah,
and just seeing the line in people's eyes saying, yeah,
I think this is achievable now that I know what
is doable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. Thank you so much. You
do think a lot of people will be surprised with
those numbers. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 10 (01:12:26):
Go to Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
That is Ed McKnight and our money guy. Okay, we've
put you out of your misery with how many millionaires
there are in New Zealand and how to do the
same thing with fubbing. Fubbing is when you're on your
phone and therefore snubbing the loved ones in your life.
So I don't know what it's like at your place,
but if you're ever like you know, you're going to
talk to someone in your family and maybe they're just

(01:12:48):
sitting on the couch and they're just doom scrolling and
they're not talking to you, then that's fubbing because they're
snubbing you and they're prioritizing their phone over you. Apparently
it's a real phenomen Apparently it's calling all sorts of problems.
So we're going to take a close to look at
that after eleven o'clock this morning. Next up, though we
are in the garden ten to eleven, non news dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I'd be gardening with steel Shop free accessories this winter
at steel Shop.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Rude climb past as our men in the garden more than.

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
A cork jack. Have you got an apple tree at home?

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I don't have an apple tree. We've got a lemon tree,
We've got a fijo a tree, but no apple tree. Okay,
I'm not going to have any trees. There's long time
listeners of the show now, but you know apple? Yeah, no,
but but my brother in law is comes from from
a from a family in Nelson who had an apple
orchard for many years. So I do appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
So no, but but a lot of people have got
when I talk about on radio about spurs and buds
and things like that, there is a difference this. The
apple buds that actually provide flowers and then fruit are
called spurs, right and the and and they're usually put
a few pictures in and I think Libya will put
them up on the on the website, and the spurs

(01:14:05):
from which fruit actually arise are very thick, very obvious,
very swollen. At this time of the.

Speaker 12 (01:14:11):
Year, you can see it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
So if you ever need to prune your trees, and
that has to happen right now, this is another little idea,
have a look at if you can identify the spurs
and the buds. The buds are the ones that actually
give you new twigs if you like later season. Okay,
but you do need to prune those trees. But if
you prune too many spurs off, you don't get much

(01:14:33):
fruit next year. So that's a bit of a warning.
Here's another thing. Apples come in two different varieties ones
that if you like, a spur bearing variety or a
tip bearing variety, and that means that the spurs, if
it's a spur bearing variety, the spurs are all over
the branches if you like. But the tip bearing varieties
only have the young fruit or the new fruit on

(01:14:55):
the tips of the branches. And then and then you
have to be extra careful that you don't cut off
all the tips. You know, that's it, leave them there,
cut some off. You need to change your position off
your tree. Sometimes it needs to be a bit airy
if you like. You know, it needs to be spaces
and all that, but be aware of buds and tips.

(01:15:19):
That is really really important. Now now is the time
to do it. And I would always prune a tree
if you like, with horizontal branches going out, giving anybody
and everything and weather and wind a lot of space
so that the tree can dry out after a rainfall.

Speaker 10 (01:15:38):
That sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Aconomy, don't get rots and things like that. That's what
The other thing is that what you can do now
is think if you've got a new plant, for instance,
that you can think, how am I going to do this?
I'm going to train this plant? You know, I'm going
to nail it almost to a system. You can do
all that too, which is literally like a training or

(01:15:59):
a cordon or a fan or an s palier. You
can do it in all sorts of ways. No here
comes to being a little tip. The The old New
Zealand Gardener did a fabulous article by Bill Brett a
couple of months ago which gives you all those particular shapes,
and once you've seen those shapes, you can actually copy
that and make it up very simply. That is really

(01:16:20):
a nice way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. Okay, very good. Thank you sir.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
There you are all right, Well, you take it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
You have a good weekend and we will catch up
with you again very shortly. There is a rude climb
past our man in the garden. And thank you for
all your messages. We've had so many this morning. Jack,
regarding the millionaires, don't forget you've got to add the
interest on the mortgage as well. Ah, that's intriguing. Yeah,
so if you're going to do your net worth, you
can't just he's saying that you can't just mine us
whatever your mortgage is at the moment from whatever assets

(01:16:49):
you have. You're saying that you've got to account for
future interest as well. Interesting accounting. But I suppose some
people will think that's more modest, Malcolm says Jack. I'd
say the millionaire club in New Zealand, caused by the
rapid increasing property values, is not a good thing. After all,
it makes it so hard for people to get on
the property ladder, I reckon that's a big part of
the reason so many people are heading overseas. Yeah, that's interesting, Jack.

(01:17:10):
We've got a property with a CV of one point
five million, no debt, but we live off of benefit.
Does that make me a millionaire? I think technically it does.
So there you go. Thank you for your messages. Ninety
ninety two. If you want to flick as a text,
News is next. It is almost eleven o'clock. You're with
Jacktame and this is news Doorg's EDB.

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Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay keeping the conversation going through
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something completely different. You know about the antiquities in Athens,
But what about the food, what about the olive tasting,

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what about the sweet treats? Our travel correspondent's going to
be with us very shortly right now, though it's eight
minutes past eleven, Jack, team fubbing, that is, when you
combine your phone and snubbing. You might have been guilty
of fubbing some of the people in your life. I
know that I'm guilty of fubbing people from time to time,
and I know that people close to me could occasionally

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be guilty of fubbing as well. Our clinical psychologist Google
Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being as with us this morning
morning a doogle.

Speaker 8 (01:19:15):
Yeah, good morning, Jack, and good to hear that you're
a self confessed fubber. Most of us will fub at times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
It does you just you fall into the trap. And
this is the great irony of the digital age. Right.
So phones have made us all that more connected with
the world, but at the same time, in some respects,
they make us all the more disconnected.

Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, yeah, there's many, many great things
about your phones and about being connected and everything that
goes with but fubbing is a real issue, I think,
particularly when we do it at home and we are,
you know, often our excuses, Oh, I'm connecting with you know,

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I'm connecting with my friends all workmates or work but
actually in the process of connecting with or with other
people via social media, where we're inadvertently ignoring the people
nearest and dearest to us. And we know that, particularly
for partners, that there's lots of benefits that people get

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from from being in a supportive relationship with their partner,
and that can actually be undermined and weakened a little
bit if you're engaging in fubbing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
That's interesting. And so is it specifically when you are,
you know, on social media talking to other people, liking
posts and that kind of thing, or is it more
just if your partner is on their phone all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:20:40):
Yeah, I think we shouldn't lay too much, or we
can't lay completely all the blame completely at the door
of social mediams. But social media, but I think it's
just magnified and highlighted by social media. But for example,
you know, seventy five percent of people say that they
choose to share their emotional struggles with their partner as

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their first port of call. And having a good relationship ship,
you know, good partner relationships really associated with better well
being and better work life balance. So partners play a
strong role in our well being and generally and our
well being at work, and inadvertently ignoring them is probably

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to not only our detriment, but the detriment of your
relationship on the long term.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Yeah, because so like farbing has been linked to poor
equality of relationships, so or put poorer quality of relations
with your partner.

Speaker 8 (01:21:36):
That's right, Yeah, poorer equality of relationships, which is understandable,
right if you're not if you're not investing in that
relationship regularly, then it falls down. Also weirdly connected with
partners reporting a lower sense of self esteem about themselves,
and that's probably because linked there to sort of feeling

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ignored in a relationship because you know, your partner's always
on their device talking to other people. Gosh, I must
not really be worth very much kind of thing, So
you know, it can have a detrimental effect both on
your relationship and on your own wellbeing and on your
partner as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
So what can people do about it?

Speaker 8 (01:22:15):
Well, look, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
I mean I tend to be, you know, a bit
black and white about things at times, and it could
easily go wow, I just don't use it ever, So
so don't do that. I mean, that would be silly
and probably.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Probably yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 (01:22:33):
Yeah, But but I think my golden rule is often
you know, wherever you are, be in it. So if
you are at home, you know, be present at home,
and if you're at work, be present at work. Now
that doesn't mean one hundred percent of your time. You're
always focused on on that, but be aware of where
your your your attention is and try to be present

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wherever you are. Again, so if you're at home with
your partner, if you're at and you can set some
I don't know if you want to call them rules,
but you could set some kind of agreement between you,
like you know, I know lots of families have the
rule about no devices at the dinner table, for example,
and that's a really good one. There's lots of benefits

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that come from eating a meal together. Some people have
an agreement that they don't use phones after a certain
time at night, you know, nine o'clock, we're going to
put our phones away so that we can just be together.
And for partners, you know, you could have something, well,
let's not use our devices and bead. I'm sure there
are other things that we can do to connect and
entertain our films from beard apart from being on the phone. Yeah,

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so those might be some then there. I wouldn't want
to call them rules. I just you know, maybe they
can be agreements between each other around when and how
we use technology at home.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
So both my wife and I are on our phones
a lot. You know, I'll cop to that. But one
thing I find is that actually, like carving out space,
it's not just carving out space when not to use phones,
but also carving out space when you can use phones
is a good you know, like you want you kind
of on a bit of yin and yang, a bit
of carrot and stick kind of thing. And yeah, and

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so like last night, for example, I know that a
way that my wife really d stresses at the end
of the day sometimes is just to muck around on
social media and look at her phone, look at funny
videos and that kind of thing. Yeah, and I really
like listening to podcasts, and you know, it's kind of
the same thing that you know, that's what I do
and that's what she does, and that's fine. And so
last night for about half an hour, I pot around

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the house listening to podcasts and she was shilling on
the couch looking at videos and things. And then afterwards
we both put our phones away and were able to
kind of be really present with each other. But sometimes
it actually just I think makes it easier to have that,
you know, to draw a bit of a line in
the sand if you if you do, create a bit
of space for it as well.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
Yeah, absolutely, And I think you know what I like
there is that there's sort of an agreement about it. Yeah,
you know, we both recognize that it's a useful thing
for us to do. We're using it for ourselves to
kind of stress and and you know, get rid of,
you know, wash away the dregs of the day. But

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also you know, there's obviously you guys are then coming
back together that Yeah, and I like the deliberate nature
about that rather than because I think the danger with
cell phones and social media, et cetera is that you're
kind of you know, you go down that rabbit hole
and you look up and it's sort of been two
or three hours and you haven't kind of meant to
spend that time, but it just sort of slips away.

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So I like that. I like the deliberateness there around. Hey, look,
let's use it for a discrete period and then let's
reconnect with one another recognizing that both are important.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Yeah, totally. Hey, thank you so much. Too great to
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Speaker 10 (01:26:06):
The all blacks by twenty oh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Hey, just remind us what you said at this time
last week.

Speaker 10 (01:26:12):
Just remind us we're all blacks by one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Yeah, I'm not sure if that's what my memory recalls.
By twenty Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:26:24):
I do.

Speaker 10 (01:26:24):
I think they will go back tonight, but I do
actually think the ponds will win the Euros.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Wow, Okay, interesting I mean you have to say that
with the Euros. We're going to catch up with Jason
Pine on this very shortly because he is fizzing of course.
But I mean I've watched almost every game I think
in this tournament, and Spain has been the standout team
the entire time. But yeah, all you need the English
are kind of coming right at the right at the
right time. And you know with football, all you need

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is a moment and that that can be the difference.

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
Yeah, I don't think Harry Kane is a match winner.
And I thought it was interesting how he was subbed
off the other night. I reckon that will happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Interesting. Oh, some big cause, Mike, Okay, just I am
going to come to you again at this time next
week and we'll be able to review these big cause anyway. Indeed, hey,
we're focusing on Athens this morning, of course, the Greek capital.
And yes, we know all about the antiquities, but what
talk to us about the really impressive and important stuff.
Talk to us about the street eats.

Speaker 10 (01:27:22):
Well this is in zat because yes, obviously Athens has
quite an arsenal of ancient treats, so much to digest.
But in between all of those old rocks. I really
do think the city's culinary treasures are epic as well.
And the thing about it is, I love the way
Athenians eat. I feel a lot of affinity for Athenians
because the Greeks are very big grazers. You know, they'll

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just happily snack their way through the day. So that
approach to consumption amplifies athens appeal as a street food destination.
Lots of casual outlets, lots of food stalls, whether you
just want to sit down or grab and go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Yeah, So where is a good place to start?

Speaker 10 (01:28:06):
Well, I would start early in Syntagmus Square, where those
ceremonial soldiers, the EBB Zones guard the tomb of the
unknown Soldier. They do this most amazing military drill and
it always saw us a crowd. But while you're watching
them chomp down on a kiluri. They are those specialty
pretzels dipped in sesame seeds, very similar to what you

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will find in the stand bull Actually okay, but generally
most workers in Athens will start the day with a
kiluri and then head to this gorgeous old bakery just
off Syntagma Square. It's called Ariston. Now, Greece has a
prized tradition in pie making, but Ariston is sort of
like savory pie heaven because you've been run by the

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same family for two centuries and all of their goodies
are in cased in philo pastry, which in Greek does
translate as leaf. And the big buy at Ariston the
oven worm spanakopetis spinach and feta pie. They are so
good warm jack and their cheese pies. To repeat it,
they're really good tea.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
So what about sweet treat.

Speaker 10 (01:29:13):
Well, I actually think the biggest reason to go to
Ariston is for what I would say is my favorite
new Athenian treat, bougatsa. Now, this philo pastry pie is
stuffed with cream custard topped with icing sugar. They are
so delicious, and once again they are best served.

Speaker 8 (01:29:33):
Warm, straight out of the oven.

Speaker 10 (01:29:35):
I actually had quite a number of boogutzers. They are
just so delicious. And then then head over to one
of Athens's oldest cafes. It's called Kreenos for some hairy
chested Greek coffee. It's the same as Turkish coffee. Interestingly,
but the geopolitics in passing here. The Greeks stopped calling

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it Turkish coffee after the Turks invaded Cypress fifty years ago.
I pondered that, Jack and Kreenos while I enjoyed my
coffee along with the local Greek donuts Luca Mardis mades. Now,
these are those delectable fluffy balls of dough which are

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made in front of you at Kreenos, and then they
levelsly pop your plate with honey syrup, with cinnamon and
crushed nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Oh man, oh my god.

Speaker 8 (01:30:27):
They are so good.

Speaker 10 (01:30:28):
But they really do go well with that that bitter coffee,
which is you know what you'll get with Turkish or
Greek coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
And so yeah, so what do you call the coffee now?
Just coffee?

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Well what do they call it? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:30:42):
Now, Jack, you've got me on the I did have
this rushing down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
We can come back to that, we can, we can
find it in a minute, but just let's call it
coffee for the time being.

Speaker 10 (01:30:52):
Yeah, yeah, yes, but you know how you will remember
from Turkey it's got that really gunky slubs.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how you know it's good.
That's how you know you're getting that caffeine hit. But yeah,
it's always you always feel like you're sucking it off
your teeth. Afterwards, done you, it's.

Speaker 10 (01:31:08):
Actually here you go jack hot off the press and ethens.
It's called all Nikos Cafe.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Ell Nkos Cafe. Okay, very good. Where is good for
olive tasting?

Speaker 10 (01:31:20):
Well, we're very close to the central market. There is
this olive emporium which will just blow your hair back
because they have got so many olives, dozens and dozens
of free standing barrels from all over the country, so
it sort of doubles as an olive cafe. It's called Ariana,
and you can order up like a tasting place of

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olives and olive oil. Athenians love the big oval green
ones from a place called Amphissa, which is just below Delphi,
very famous olive grove, massive sized, these green olives. In fact,
at Ariana they rated them by size jumbo, colossal or

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memoth any good. But like wine, it's the tea that
dictates the subtle taste differences of Greece's olives, so you've
got to try like the tiny cleton olives and the
tear shaped purple hued Kelimata olives. But oh my god,
it really is olive heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
And how impressive is the Central Market?

Speaker 10 (01:32:25):
It is just superb jack, It's quite intoxicating. It's the
grand central station of food. So you've got all of
your nuts and your spices along the sort of the
sides of the market. But the real deal is the
first and the meat. And there are hundreds of fishmonger stores.
I have never seen so many octopus in my life.
Then you've got hundreds of butcher's stores where you've got

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the swinging carcasses and every imaginable body part, and it
all becomes sordidly fascinating. But I found a fun fact
for you. Fifty five thousand locals shop at the Central
Market every day.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
WHOA, oh, so that's great. It's not just a touristy spot.
It's a that is less legit. Sublaki and Gyro's Peter
would have to be on the agenda, I would.

Speaker 10 (01:33:11):
Think, definitely. And if you want to check out such
a Greek staple with a modern twist, I went to
a place called hoo Cut in Monasteriarchy, which is very
central in Athens.

Speaker 9 (01:33:25):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:33:25):
The reason I went to hoo Cut is because this
place featured on Gordon Geno Fred's Road the TV shows,
so they do modern variations on sublaki and yodos, and
I tucked into the lamb peta rap which had a
lot of cac so along with the typical zeke and tato.

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They also added red onion, a housemade spiced sauce in
paprika so at very very zesty. But the other really
cool thing about hoo Cut they have their own career,
so all of the peta is made on site, super light,
really feathery and fluffy, and I think that adds to
the taste. Definitely go to Hoocut and it's as cheap

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as chips.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Oh that sounds so good. Okay, So I'm going to
put you on the spot here. I'm sure you know
what I'm going to get you to compare that to
Dimitries and christ jurg Is still I think the gold
standard when it comes to souvlaki's nearly So, how how
does Dimitries stack up against the offerings and Athens.

Speaker 10 (01:34:28):
Oh that's a tough question, Jack. I think Dimitries is
a classic Greek provider of yah suvlaki. I think they
are true to tradition, But I have to say, I mean,
I could live on souaky that such the most wonderful,
wonderful meal, isn't it? And so cheap? Everywhere I ate

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an Athens was was really good, but it was just
the just those modern changes that you've kind have done
to the standard recipe which made it a stand out
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Yeah right, okay, So any other tips for Athens.

Speaker 10 (01:35:03):
Super quick libationis the a gorgeous little distillery in Pluca
just below the Acropolis called Brettos. Now, the reason I
mentioned this is because this is Greece's oldest operating distillery
and it's walls aligned with all of these colorful glass
bottles or the cures. It looks like a scene out

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of Shakespeare, like a medieval apothecary. It's just amazing, and
the uzzo's legendary. That will put some pep in your
step as you lug your way up Lickabetta's Hill. Now,
the reason you want to go to Licibetta's heill is
because it's a lot higher than the acropolis and go
up there for sundowners on the summit you get the

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most delirious panorama across Athens as the lights come on
and the sun drops into the aegean.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Ah sounds so good. Hey, thank you, Mike. That is superb.
We'll make sure all of your tips for enjoying athens
culinary treasures are up on the newstalk Z'DB website. And
don't worry, Mike. Well you back with us next Saturday
morning with more of his sporting tips and dates. Speaking of,
Jason Pine is on his way to Eden Park preparing
for weekend sport. This afternoon, we'll get Piney's thoughts on

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conditions in the nine, where or not the All Blacks
are likely to hold on to that thirty year winning
streak at the House of Eden. He's with us in
a couple of minutes. It's just coming up to eleven thirty.
You're a Jack Tame on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
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I'm falling a part riding front of peddle Bees.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
I love Teddy Swims, so good day. Just gone to
leven thirty on News Tooks. He'd be after twelve o'clock.
Jason Pine is live from the venue at which the
All Blacks have not lost in thirty years. Nineteen ninety four,
their last loss at Eden Park. Of course, they're counting
down to kick off tonight, the second Test against England
right after seven o'clock, and Jason Pine is broadcasting there

(01:37:27):
for us this afternoon. Good morning, sir, Hello, sir.

Speaker 23 (01:37:30):
Look, I'm looking out here at Eden Park now and
thinking about those last thirty years and thinking about some
of the amazing moments.

Speaker 6 (01:37:37):
I reckon, I'm looking at the part of Eden Park now.

Speaker 23 (01:37:40):
Jack, where Beaver kicked that goal, Yeah, in the twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Roun with a sort of lower back hanging out of
his shirt.

Speaker 23 (01:37:48):
Right, Shall I go down and maybe recreate that with
my own lower back hanging gown?

Speaker 6 (01:37:53):
I don't think anybody needs to see that.

Speaker 23 (01:37:55):
What a day, an absolute cracker, And at the moment,
obviously nobody here apart from the ground staff putting the
final touches on things, the broadcast team setting up, and
you know, various caterers and those sort of people. But
looking out here now, they've put extra seats in, as
you know, Jack, forty seven thousand set to turn out tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:38:12):
What an occasion it'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Yeah, it's going to be amazing. So what are you expecting?
What sort of changes are you expecting from last week.

Speaker 23 (01:38:18):
Well, I kind of don't expect too many because it's
the same group of players by and large. You know,
the All Blacks have had to make the one change
at half back. England have had a couple of changes
forced on them, But I can't really see it being
too different. The only caveat to that is these two
teams now have a frame of reference from last week.

Speaker 6 (01:38:35):
They know what the others going to bring.

Speaker 23 (01:38:37):
They've had a week to strategize, to look at ways
of you know, nullifying the other's strengths and perhaps capitalizing
on the weaknesses. So I think it'll be a similar
kind of a game. I've still got the All Blacks
wanting it, and I've got them winning it by more
than a point this time, Jack. But I wouldn't be
at all surprised if it's a tight, tight affair.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Again. Yeah, I see last week, I wouldn't it was fair.
I wouldn't describe it as an enjoyable game to watch.
I felt kind of stressed throughout it. Maybe I don't know,
Maybe that's maybe I'm you know, catastrophizing things a little bit.
But you would sort of hope that there's just a
little more cohesion as well. Damien Mackenzie at ten again,
obviously we would hope that he's going to take his

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penalty kicks very comfortably within the alloted time. I think
it's a lesson that has probably been learned. But yeah, yeah,
like you say, I guess there's a frame of reference
that both teams will be working off now, so it'll
be interesting to see how they go. Monday morning, seven
am Euro Final Spain England. You would have to say
that Spain has overcome tougher competition to make their way

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to the final, but England came right.

Speaker 23 (01:39:42):
It's such an interesting tournament this and you know, you
and I were chatting before we just before I set
off Redden Park this morning, and look, Italy can't win it,
Germany can't win it, the Netherlands can't win it, France
can't win it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:53):
England can still win the Euros. Yeah, they are there.

Speaker 23 (01:39:56):
It's not so much about how they got there, it's
that they are there. Spain of favorite, Spain a favorite,
absolutely what a team and you know, some eye catching
football on there. England have had have gone the very
securitiest route to Berlin, I have to say, but they
are there, and it almost feels as though it's written
in the stars.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
In some way.

Speaker 23 (01:40:16):
They've found ways to win, be it through late goals,
extra time, appenalty shootout, they found all sorts of different
ways to get to the finals. So who knows, they
may have one more way of winning a football match
which would send the entire country. Yet imagine Jack in
to delirium for at least the next time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
It would be crazy if they If they won, it
would just be crazy in a way that it probably
wouldn't be for most other you know, relatively, I think
we can call them a top tier European national football teams,
right like I mean if Spain wins, Yep, it'll be
crazy in Spain, but not quite as crazy as it
would probably be in England.

Speaker 6 (01:40:52):
I think we look at that.

Speaker 23 (01:40:53):
You talk about droughts like no one's beaten the All
Blacks here in Eden Park in thirty years. England haven't
won anything since nineteen sixty six. That is a long
time ago, Jack, So that is a that is a
pressure valve that would be released with great enthusias as
I'm across the across the United Ingre not the whole
United Kingdom, but certainly England.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
And yes probably I don't know the Wlsh and the
scott is going to be quite as excited. The It's
just like looking at those those teams as well. You know,
clearly Spain has the you know, they've got the kind
of young, dazzling talent and all that kind of thing,
and I'm not saying England doesn't. But the thing about
football is all you need is a couple of minutes, right,
And it was interesting that until that game the other night,

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the only goal that the Spanish had conceded this tournament
was an own goal against Georgia. Well, there's nothing to
say that sort of thing won't happen again.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
No, that's that's all bets are off. All bets are off.
Form goes out the window, use whatever cliche you like.

Speaker 23 (01:41:46):
It is these two teams going at one another, and
you're right, it'll be decided by moments, and who's going
to own those moments? And a guy like Harry Kane,
you know he only needs one or two opportunities. Don't
put it past England to win the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
No, I totally agree. Hey, thank you sir. Enjoy the
next seventy two hours or so. Big big, big weekend
of sport coming up, all Backcinata Course kicking off just
after seven pm at Eden Park. Will have the call
live view on News Talks EDB right now it is
twenty three to twelve.

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EDB twenty to twelve on Newstalks EDB. Katherine Rains is
here with her book picks for us this week. She
is our reviewer. She always has great recommendations. Morning Catherine,
Morning Jack. So let's begin with lou Laeden's Little Library
of Band Books, which is a fantastic title. It's a
great title is by Kirstine Miller.

Speaker 24 (01:42:43):
So this book is actually about and it seems a
message of torrance and understanding and about being judgmental when
you don't actually know the true facts. And so it's
in the set in the Sound of Troy in Georgia
and Lula Deen. The main character is this characterture of
a town busy boy. She's a widow, she's an empty nester,
she's a a local busybody and she's taken this quest

(01:43:05):
for attention and focus to her, and she has this
crusade against what she terms woke lifestyles and values. And
she's the founder and leader of the Concerned Parents Committee,
and so she pulls books that are supposedly filled with
pornography and propaganda out of the schools and libraries and so.
But she also wants to ensure that the town of
Troy has better ready material, so she sets up the

(01:43:28):
little free library in her front yard and stocks it
with what she terms wholesome books, with things like Chicken
Soup for the Soul, The Southern Bowels, Guide to Etiquette,
our Confederate Heroes, and for her neighbors to borrow. But actually,
unknown to her, the daughter of her arch Emily Beverly Underwood,

(01:43:48):
takes those books out and replaces them with ones on
the banned list, hiding them under the dust jackets. And
that's when things start to get really interesting, because via
the books, you see the spotlight on this town and
it's different inhabitants and the divergent views and lives. And
there's a huge cast of characters in this and some
of the stories really funny and make you laugh, and
some are the complete opposite of that, and Sea of

(01:44:10):
Shen shivers down your spine and it exposes the hypocrisy
and misogyny and racism and anti seminism and all the
affiliations that people have, and it just carries this very
interesting and timely message through each character's story. And you know,
the author, at the end of the day is trying
to illustrate how books don't hurt people. People hurt people,
but books give access to new ideas and thoughts and

(01:44:32):
perspectives and role models. And it's a story that actually
stays with you for quite a while after which you
I think through the messages and yeah, so great. It's
a really well written book, but yeah, has a pretty
serious message behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Yeah that sounds great. Okay, that's lu Laeden's Little Library
of Banned Books by Christine Miller. You've also read Asked
Not by Maureen Callahan.

Speaker 24 (01:44:53):
So Maureen Callahan is actually a journalist for The Daily Mail.
So there's a style of writing that's quite gossipy and juicy,
and she rehashes some very well publicized scandals involving the
members of the Kennedy family, but she still tells it
in a very interesting perspective, and you know, lots of
accounts of serial cheating, but also some much more serious

(01:45:14):
crimes and rape and sex with minors and murder, and
it's a pretty grown roll full of things that have happened.
You know, Mary Joe who's suffocated below three feet of
water and chapiquitic in nineteen sixty nine when she could
have been saved. And Pamela Kelly who was thrown from
a geep and she ends up paralyzed for life, and
the driver, who's another Kennedy, walks away with one hundred

(01:45:35):
dollar fine. But she also talks about the families, woman
like Joan Kennedy who was in and out of rehab
and lots of DUI's and Rosemary who was the daughter
of the matriarch, and matriarch Joe and Rose Kennedy who
was whose life was destroyed by our family authorized lobotomy,
and you know, and much newer kind of parts of

(01:45:57):
the Kennedy family as well, like Mary Richardson Kennedy, who's
the second wife of Robert F. Kennedy, who's the current
presidential candidate, you know, who took her own life in
twenty twelve and so, but she tells it from the
sort of multi generational family legacy which begins with Joe Kennedy,
who built the family fortune and a family to go
with it, and his Catholic wife Rose, who turns a
blind eye to his sequence of mistresses, and so his

(01:46:20):
habit of treating woman as accessories passed down to his sons.
And you know John Kennedy's white house, you know, an
age called it a conveyor belt of young woman. And
so she paints this picture of a very toxic, narcissistic, cruel, snobbish, entitled,
an extremely unpleasant family and the fact that the Kennedy
men have got away because of this sphere of influence

(01:46:43):
with you know, some very serious crimes and really no
serious accountability, and they're still admired and referred to as
America's royal family, and press courage has kind of protected
them well, has protected them as they've gone along, and
it's just fascinating because she sort of redirects the spotlight
back to the woman and the Kennedy Kennedy family and

(01:47:04):
you know, puts them much more at the sea of
the story and how they should be. And yeah, it's
it's interesting when you kind of put everything together and
you look at you know, what's gone on in the
family over the years.

Speaker 14 (01:47:15):
Yeah, yeah, it got away with a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Yeah, it sounds really intriguing. Even if you're not, you know,
super into the into the Kennedys. It sounds like there's
still a lot to learn here and told in a
really compelling way. So it sounds intriguing. Thank you. That's
asked not by Maureen Callahan. The first book is Lula
Dean's Little Library of Band Books by Kirstine Miller. Will
have all of the details for those books, just along
with everything about else from our show up on the
News Talks. He'd be website in a couple of minutes.

(01:47:40):
Don't get a surprise when you hear em and M's voice.
He's just released his latest album, The Death of Slim Shady.
We're gonna have a bit of a listening a couple
of minutes on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
He'd be giving you the inside scoop on All you
Need to Know Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure
dot co dot nz for high Quality Supplements, News Talks edb.

Speaker 11 (01:48:00):
Well's writing Aldy for the bub just got car tagging
out by the Center for a score for ser Off.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
The alarm keeps on, keep streaming.

Speaker 11 (01:48:08):
You're gonna drop the bomb, but anyway, every day.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
I'm gonna get it right here. That is you know
the voice immediately. His new album is called The Death
of Slim Shady. That song is called Brand New Dance,
and our music reviewers Dell Clifford has been listening Good Morning.

Speaker 25 (01:48:27):
Projessa Olivia had to work cut out for her today,
where we've hit a cut every swear word known to man,
which you would imagine as part of a slim Shady album.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Yeah, he's one of these people who obviously devise people
in terms of his music. But I think you'd have
to be a pretty miserable person to listen to slim
Shady and listen to Eminem and not agree that he
has a really profound talent.

Speaker 14 (01:48:51):
Oh absolutely, that's what is evident in this album.

Speaker 25 (01:48:55):
So you've gone back to this place where you're like, whoa,
this dude can still do those rap belts that he
does where it's so fast you're like, where does he
even breathe?

Speaker 14 (01:49:05):
So he's still has all of that going on in here,
and then he has those catchy like.

Speaker 25 (01:49:10):
That chune their brand New dance typical Shady, A like
it's catchy beat the metlad that you're kind of getting
taken away with it and you're like, oh man, this
is kind of fun and it sounds innocent, and then
you're like he's just bagging Christopher Reeves again, like oh
my gosh, you're going to go back there, but with
some other I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:49:30):
He has clever wordplay and so that's still very evident
in slim Shady as well.

Speaker 25 (01:49:35):
And I think if you just revisit this, because this
is the whole chat about to day, like the world
is different since nineteen ninety nine, so can you still
say the same stuff and get away with it? And
then if you think slim Shady is an alter ego,
is that what then makes it okay to say some
of this stuff? So this is the final blow, right,

(01:49:56):
this is the album that's meant to take out slim Shady,
but it kind of leaves you going, does it.

Speaker 9 (01:50:02):
For me?

Speaker 14 (01:50:03):
Anyway?

Speaker 25 (01:50:04):
He has advised Eminem has advice that you shoul listen
from start to finish. So since like you know, midnight
last night when it finally came out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
You've been working hard.

Speaker 25 (01:50:14):
Yeah, there's nothing like waiting to your child goes to bed,
and then I'm like, Wow, she's gonna hear these words eventually,
so why not on a Saturday morning at our house.

Speaker 14 (01:50:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:50:25):
It's a real interesting listen for the fact that I
think you can innocently listen to it for all the
clever beats and you know, the production work where you're like, oh,
that's so catchy, and he uses threads from past music
and albums, so it's like, got that nostalgia vibe about
it that brings you in. There's a track called Lucifer
and it's got like this little looped rhythm melody that's

(01:50:49):
going through it that sounds like you're my big Greek wedding,
like something off the movie.

Speaker 14 (01:50:54):
And so again you're like, oh gosh, this is so catchy.

Speaker 25 (01:50:56):
And then he's just dissing on political commentator Kendice Owens
and Mega, So you know, like, I think that's the
thing about some shady you kind of delve a little
deeper every time you sort of listen to it. Who
Deni is one of the first singles he released in
anticipation of this album coming out. He incorporates Ebraca Debra,

(01:51:18):
which I think we're going to play some of from
Steve Miller bands. And when I just say it like that,
you'll be like what.

Speaker 14 (01:51:24):
But as soon as you Abra.

Speaker 25 (01:51:27):
Na Nana and Steve Miller is all like, yes, Eminem
totally use one of my songs. He called them one
of those timeless originators who can take classics, put their
own spin on them and use them but also knows
to credit to the person who originally did it as
a poster that it's ripping stuff off.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Yeah, he's very.

Speaker 25 (01:51:47):
Aware, isn't he, Like as Eminem slim shady Marshall methods,
he's very aware of what's socially around, what's politically around,
what's going on on.

Speaker 14 (01:51:57):
TikTok, what's going on on social media.

Speaker 25 (01:52:00):
Because then he just puts it all into his album
and then randomly, halfway through the album gets emotional about
his daughter and you got it back to one of
those places you know where he pens.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Seems really like amazingly well rounded and normal. Is that fair?
Is another world Yeah, where you're like, oh man, oh,
you know, Eminem's probably had a pretty crazy life, but
she just seems really cool.

Speaker 25 (01:52:26):
Well, maybe she's just had some other really normal people
behind the scenes to helping guide the way she's been
able to see her dad for who he is.

Speaker 14 (01:52:34):
I think that's the other thing though.

Speaker 25 (01:52:35):
He's never shied away from who he is totally, and
he's given that exactly to his kids, and he apologizes
it for for it profusely and nearly every single album.
But it's funny, right because you're getting taken away with
some of these real big slams and then suddenly you
get all emotional and this vulnerable layer comes out and
he finishes the album like that as well, which I
think is supposed to be that final see your Latest,

(01:52:57):
But I don't know. I mean, this is just an
album where he's like, he's just spitting out stuff about,
you know, the woke society. There's so many references about
Caitlyn Jenna and also being gay.

Speaker 14 (01:53:10):
And I'm like, what's the thing with yea and yeah
and the whole I'm willing to.

Speaker 25 (01:53:18):
Accept people, but do we have to be so woke
about it with all the different pronouns and things like that?
And then I'm like that again, is that just because
Slim Shady can get away of saying that he has
arguments with himself in the album eminem.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
It sounds at the very least like it's like worth
listening just from that kind of conceptual perspective. So what
did you give it?

Speaker 25 (01:53:36):
Yeah, I'm giving it a seven out of ten. Some
are saying his best album ever. I'm not quite there yet.
I think I still love nineteen ninety nine slim Shady. Yeah,
but he's still clever, and he's still incredible with the
co leaves and the work that he does. And I think,
just out of social interest, you want to hear it,
you know, And.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Even if it's the Death of Slim Shady, he can
still release music at eminem, right.

Speaker 25 (01:53:57):
Because it caricature, that's right, And it's a caricature alter ego,
like don't we kind I want to just escapism? Yeah,
So we shouldn't take it so seriously, like there he's
always that thing for me. Is he being serious or
has he just been so tongue and chet provocative?

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Yeah, okay, he wants to.

Speaker 14 (01:54:14):
Poke the beer. He's poking the beer is a seven
out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Very good, Thank you so much. As seven for the
Death of Slim Shady. We'll have a bit more of
a listen in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and bepure dot co dot zead for high
quality supplements Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Well, that is us for another morning together. Thank you
very much for tuning in this morning and for sending
so many texts and emails. Everything from our show is
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You know where to go News Talks dB dot co
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mic live from Eden Park this afternoon, counting down to
kickoff in exactly seven hours and nine minutes. The Allbacks

(01:54:57):
looking to defend and continue that thirty year winning streak
at Eden Park when they take off against the English
and articles will have live commentary for you on Newstalks
EDB this evening. Thanks to my producer Libby for doing
the tough stuff, to Jacob for sitting in as well.
We're back with the next Saturday morning from nine until then.
This is Eminem the Death of Slim Shady. The song
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