Full Show Podcast: 14 September 2024

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you very shortly. Right now it is eight minutes past nine,
Jack dam You know what, I'm a slave to social

(02:02):
media and it drives me nuts. I feel compelled to
have Twitter or x and I feel compelled to have
Facebook as well, mainly for work. I have Instagram for socializing,
and I wisely never touch TikTok because from all accounts,
that's the most addictive platform of the lot. But what
I have three active social media platforms, and I feel

(02:27):
like I have to battle to stop myself from reflexively
picking up my phone and checking the gram. So I
can only imagine how hard it is for the generations
who have never known a world without smartphones to try
and get off social media. It's addictive, right. Australia now
looks set to forward ahead with a ban on social

(02:47):
media for young people. The South Australian government is going
to ban it for kids under the age of fourteen
and put the onus on the platforms to use age
verification tools in making sure that younger kids aren't setting
up accounts. Fourteen and fifteen year olds will need to
get explicit parental permission to access likes of Snapchat, TikTok, Instagram,

(03:09):
and x. But is that excessive? Is it too much?
Is social media really comparable to booze or tobacco? And
if it's causing harm, is it really the state's job
to step in? Is it government's job. I'm a huge
fan of the work of the US social psychologist Jonathan Hayite.

(03:32):
He's the author of The Coddling of the American Mind.
He says that over protection from parents and schools has
caused young people to be less resilient than in the past. Basically,
we have been coddling our young people too much. We've
been saying yes too much, and that as a result,
we have a generation of young people who are less

(03:52):
resilient personally. I think there's a lot in that I do,
but I also agree with him the lot of social
and psychological damage in young people stems directly from social media.
Phones until high school and keep kids off social media
until at least this until at least the age of sixteen.

(04:13):
Jonathan Hite says, don't you think it's crazy that social
media executives openly admit they refuse to let their own
kids use the platforms while claiming it's all good for
everyone else's I personally supported the phone ban in schools.
I just think it's common sense, and in a way
this is the same because it's a collective action problem. Right.

(04:37):
So at the moment, parents know that if they let
their kid on social media at a young age, even
at thirteen, which is the stated age limit for many
of the platforms, it is potentially doing them harm or
contributing to harm in their social groups. But if they
deny their kid any social media platforms, parents often feel

(04:58):
that the child runs the risk of being socially ostracized.
And look, it's easy to say this now given our
boys only seven, but I would like to think that
if in the future it's a binary choice between letting
him access social media when he's really young or supporting
him if he gets stick because lots of his classmates

(05:20):
are online and he's not allowed to be, well, I
would still take the latter option. Maybe I'm just maybe
I'm a bit of old school. I'm a bit strict, right,
I would still say sorry, it doesn't matter if all
your mates are on there, you're not getting social media.
But the thing about regulation is that if the government
stepped in, it would mean there is a collective standard,
the same rules for everyone right across the board. And

(05:43):
if we can agree that an unregulated system for social
media is doing our kids harm, well, perhaps it is
time to consider something different. Jack JO ninety two is
our text number. Don't forget that. If you're going to
send me a text standard text costs supply, you can
email me as well. Jacket News Talks. He'd b dot
co dot Nz. Kevin Milne will get us underway for

(06:05):
our Saturday morning next. It's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm
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Speaker 1 (06:11):
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Speaker 2 (06:20):
Come on, Jack, I'm addicted to radio, so maybe ban radios?
Eh Oh, for goodness sake, come on, we're only doing
your good. Radio doesn't do your bad. Doesn't do your harm,
does it, Jack? Come on, this is just a precursor
to the banning of information across the board. The state
only wants information that's approved to reach anyone, not just
young people. This is the thought police. This is an
angle to get us under control. Nineteen eighty four, says Adrian.

(06:42):
I think it's a bit extreme, Adrian. So I just
asked Libby, who is a gen Zia gen z producer
of the show. I said, would you support given you
you've only known the Internet age, you can't remember a
time before smartphones, would you support banning social media for
kids under fourteen and parental consent up to sixteen? And

(07:03):
Libby said yes. See, this is the curious thing. If
they did the study in the US where they asked
young people. The Surgeon General in the United States asked
young people, do you support banning social media? And they
said no. And they said do you want to get
off social media? And they said no. And they said
would you want to get off social media if all
of your friends were off social media? And everyone said yes?

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Interesting ninety ninety two. If you've got some thoughts on that,
Jack at newstalksz'db dot co dot n Z. Kevin Milne
is with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Kilder Kevin, get morning, Jack and me he wiki or trel.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Mary nowl Mary then Kevin very good. Yeah, it's it's
two wiki with dear Earl Marty kicking off? Now, are
you what do you think about banning social media for
young people?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I don't like the idea of banning anything, right because
because banning's so often unsuccessful.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well except except that if you think about it with
like booze. Right, So people under the age of eighteen
are banned. Now, of course many of them can still
access they can still access alcohol, but it sets a
collective standard and it certainly makes it more difficult, right,
Like if we imagine if we didn't have a band
for under eighteens on alcohol, Yep, yeah, it'll probably be different, right.

(08:19):
So yeah, yeah, I get your point. I'm actually not
a big banner myself, but I do think there is
meriton at the very least regulating social media. Speaking of
social media, it was a wash this week with the
many memes that came out of the US presidential candidates debate,
and that most memorable line of all has reminded you

(08:40):
of a scandal in your christ Church childhood.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
I'm astonished Jack, really that I sometimes bets on what
I think you're going to talk about, and this was
the easiest one. This was the easiest one. You're the
highlight jar of your week. Must have been the debate.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
After the show? Absolutely, No, the debate was. It was incredible.
It was an incredible thing to watch, and yeah, remarkable
to see the fallout.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I'm not even really politico in that sense that I
was sitting in front of the TV on what was
at Wednesday and waiting for it to come on, like
I was waiting for a test match. Yeah, and it
was just so exciting. And then, of course, and we're
going off piece here a bit, but Trump's story about
the pets being eaten in Springfield, Ohio?

Speaker 5 (09:32):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Because I think you're quite an expert in this area,
and in fact came on the TV later on to
talk about this. But do you think that was the
most the sort of the a bigger political calamity for
him than anything Biden said or did during his previous debate?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Ah? Yeah, well it was almost what Biden didn't say
or do in his last debate that was the problem,
wasn't it? Like he was sort of so incoherent in
that debate. And when I watched the Biden debate, I
mean I came on the show the next morning and
said instantly that I thought Biden would never be president again.
I thought that was it. I thought I thought it
was unrecoverable. I don't think that Trump's errors were unrecoverable.

(10:13):
I don't think this will stop them necessarily from being president.
I don't think it helped him. But it was certainly
a wild thing to say. Put it this way, I was.
I was clipping up the little the key moments of
the debate, and the moment I heard him say they're
eating cats, they're eating dogs, I said, okay, editing, we're
going to need this. Yeah, hello, hello, yeah yeah. And

(10:38):
so it reminded you of christ Kevin.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, well yeah. I was reading about the fact checkers
that established that the story had started with I think
a single social media post from some kid? Was that, right, Jack?
From a kid?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think, yeah, it was on Facebook. It started on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah. But it never offered any evidence. The story
was never verified, and no complaint was ever lodged, and
Springfield's officials were now in a position to say that
they believe it never happened. The story went on to
say that there's a history of totally incorrect stories from
all over the world involving new immigrants eating other people's pets.

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And I suddenly get this flashback tack something I've forgotten
for years. I remember as a kid in christ Church,
I was about ten, I think, hearing a story many
times about dead cats being found in the rubbishmin of
one of christ Church's first Chinese restaurants. It was a

(11:44):
fantastic story, but I believed it because I eventually got
to hear the same story so often it had to
be true. I passed the story on myself many times.
Back then in christ Church, very very few people ever
went to a Chinese restaurant. They were scared of them.
Who knows, you know what was to be served up?
And it's only now, after all these years, does it

(12:08):
occurred to me, I bet that story was a lie
to based entirely on ignorance and racism. The only difference
was I was a ten year old nobody, and the
man that told lie about the HEIGHTI the Haiti immigrants
was running for president of the United States. There were

(12:30):
so many things on that debate. Weren't the jack that,
you know, the fact that he reckoned he could stop
the the Ukraine War even before it had got to office. Yeah,
sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Well, I mean there's certainly some pretty bold and sometimes
outlandish calls. I mean, the thing that was interesting with
the Cats and the Dogs was that it was pretty
soundly robutted immediately, not just by the moderators but by
everyone else going and fact checking that story. But yeah,
I mean, yeah, it was kind of Donald Trump and

(13:05):
Donald Trump that the the thing I always, you know,
would say, though, is that Donald Trump being Donald Trump
has won many tens of millions of votes in the past. Yeah,
that's right, you know, I don't actually, you know, I
think that maybe some people were a little to who
don't want to see Trump be president, were a little
too gleeful afterwards, and have actually forgotten. Probably the guys
were very successful by bucking the you know, the traditional

(13:27):
political trends and norms.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
You know. Yeah, yes, no, I'd be one of those.
What did you think of those moderators? I was thinking
when I was looking at that guy, I thought Jack
Camee will be looking at that bloke and saying, I
want to be him. Honestly, he was like you. He
was like you, but with an American accent.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah. I think he's Yeah, yeah, I think he's got
a little bit further in his career than I overwell
give him.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
But I wouldn't say I wouldn't I wouldn't rule that out.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, but it's so cool, so cool.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I thought I thought they did a pretty good job.
I actually wondered if they should have fact checked that one,
given that son of kind of seem so absurd. I
wonder if they should have just let it past and
that Carmela fact you get if she wanted. But anyway,
has had a lot of attention over the last few days.
Thank you for that, Kevin, and thank you for your text.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It's simple. Any kids who want to get around a
social media ban will be able to use a VPN.
This is true, Ben. They will be able to use
a VPN, They will be able to use technological solutions.
Kids are industriss kids are smart, but it still puts
another barrier in right and in order for them to
do that, it's going to be a real pain. And
the whole design of the Australian laws as they stand

(14:37):
is that it puts the onus on the social media platforms,
so they've got to use their technology to verify the
age and identity of their users. Dean sent me a
note to say, Jack, as much as I'm a sent
to write libertarian, I agree with the proposed social media
ban for people under sixteen, much like I agree with
National's ban on cell phones for students during school hours.
There's plenty of evidence that social media has many, many

(14:57):
negative impacts on young people, not the least that they
distract them from doing more important things with their time,
like getting a decent education, which current statistics suggest isn't happening.
Ninety two ninety two. If you want to send me
your thoughts, it's twenty four past nine.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
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Speaker 2 (15:21):
I reckon. There are half a dozen TV shows at
the moment that I get really excited about when they
release a new series. So I love the like the
Tour de France and the Formula one shows on Netflix.
You know, if one drive to survive Tour de France unchained,
the kind of behind the scenes competition shows. Love those
and I absolutely love the show Slow Horses. It's on

(15:43):
Apple TV Plus. It's kind of a spy drama comedy
set in the UK. Gary Oldman's the main character. They
are four or five seasons deep now, but they've just
released a brand new series of Slow Horses. It's had massive,
massive success around the world. So we're going to tell
you about that after ten o'clock this morning, so you
can watch it as well. Right now, it's twenty eight
minutes past nine our Sporto Andrew sevill is with us

(16:05):
this morning. Kilder, sir, Oh, hangers end golder sir, Yes, yes,
all good, So what yeah, very well, thank you. What
did you make of the Black Ferns and King Charles.
I thought that was of the many viral moments that
the Black Ferns and Seven Sisters have given us over
the years, that was right up near the top, because
he seemed like genuinely delighted.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's probably number one when it
comes to Black Ferns viral moments. Of course, winning the
World Cup stands alone at the top, but winning the
most recent World Cup that is at Eaton Park. But yeah,
he looked he looked genuine and honestly happy and having

(16:49):
fun and didn't mind being hard. Not only by two
or three players once, but then a couple came in
from the side, and then he took some selfies at
the bottom of this the major the massive staircase at
the Palace, he had a group photo on that. In
the player We're getting a few selfies here and the
end it just likely looked like he was having a

(17:10):
great time. There's a very genuine and I think something
like that would earn a more street crewed and brownie
points with people all around the world than kissing babies
and marching up and down shaking hands, right.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I totally agree. I totally agree. So the Black Ferns
are playing at Twickenham versus Red Roses tomorrow morning. Help
us won.

Speaker 8 (17:33):
Yeah, looking forward to this because it is at number one. Secondly,
I think they've pre sold about fifty thousand tickets, which
is fantastic. So you're looking at a big, big crowd,
England top of its game. John Mitchell coaches and now
former All Blacks coach and the Black Ferns and I

(17:53):
think maybe not the same team they were they were
when they won the last World Cup, but sort of
getting back to that a heck of a lot of
new faces in the team and some stalwarts and some
outstanding talent. And I just love the way the Black
Frimens and some of these other teams throw the ball
around and attack, attack more the the women's game, more

(18:17):
rather less confrontational or less defense oriented than the men's game.
And a lot of the time it's more exciting to what.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah it is it really is. No, that'll be great.
So one thirty tomorrow morning, the Black Ferns versus Red Roses.
What are you making of the Super Rugby format change?
So we go from a top eight to top six?

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Now have you tried to work it out?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I just that was the top line I needed. All
I remember was that painful exercise last season trying to
work out if the Crusaders could mathematically make it, and
it seemed like they mathematically could for far longer than
they should have really been able to.

Speaker 8 (18:48):
Yeah, I'm the positive as it's gone from eight out
of twelve to six out of eleven because the Melbourne
Rebels are no more but rugby again. I think sort
of shoots itself in the foot with a confusing final
system where the top six to make it, the three
winners from the first round of playoffs go through and

(19:10):
hard seeded loser goes through. I don't know, and you
see NRL. I think this weekend some teams get a
last if they lose a second chance. But I don't
know many other sports pro sports around the world who
have knockout playoff systems where you can actually lose and
still make it true. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
It makes sense in the regard that the competition organizers

(19:34):
are desperate to have an Australian side in the playoffs
and that pretty much guarantees that by having a top
six rather than the top four. If you had a
top four, it'd be the fear from an officials point
of view, that it'll be all New Zealand teams, which
are probably would, but the competition has I think the
competition is a lot more concerns than just playoff formats.

(19:56):
The numbers of viewers and the numbers of those attending
in Australia is terrible. It needs a massive lift in
Australia and a massive lift all round. There is some
tour talk of them bringing in a couple of Japanese
teams or even a couple of South African teams, which
is a must I think in the long term future
and the new TV deal begins, I think twenty twenty six,

(20:16):
that's a major birdles they're going to have to overcome
or sign off as well.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
David Nicer Fight Night tonight. I presume you're you being
there on the front row. Will you say I'm enjoying
a night quite or whatever it is?

Speaker 8 (20:28):
Yeah, but no, it's great to see Docal Events putting
boxing back on. It's been four long years. I've had
to go through COVID during that. Yeah, other challenges. It's
sold out tonight on Auckland's waterfront, which is great to
see you in these in these times. David Nicer, clean cut,

(20:48):
heck of a nice chap, very good boxer, very good
technical boxer, done so well in the amateur ranks, and
now he has fought several times as approach. Now it's
his chance to shine as the top building in a
home promotion, which is basically I think he's twenty nine,
he's he's he's coming into his prime as an athlete

(21:11):
and a boxer, and I think we're going to see
bit things come in a near future from David Naka.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, no, I totally agree, Thank you, Sev. That's Esporto
andrews Sevill. Don't forget. Our feature interview this morning after
ten o'clock is with Troy Kingy, New Zealand Music Royalty.
He's eighty percent of the way through his ten ten
ten project, ten different albums and ten different genres over
ten years, and his latest is fascinating in a sense.

(21:37):
I think it was maybe one of his favored genres.
It's kind of a desert rock album. He recorded it
at this amazing recording studio near Joshua Tree in California.
This place called Rancho della Luna, so Ranch of the Moon,
and he really went out to the desert seeking some inspiration.

(21:57):
So he's going to tell us about his spiritual and
creative journey when he's with us after ten o'clock this morning.
Next up, though your film picks for this weekend. It's
twenty six to ten on News TALKSB News Talks ZB.

(22:22):
You were jactating this Saturday morning, Keelder Jack says Mark.
Social media is designed to be addictive to make us
feel good, gives us the dopamine hit, the sugar rush,
which is why it is not okay. For developing minds
and of questionable value for adults as a society. I
think it makes us less social. I think it makes
us more isolated. I think it makes us more fragmented.

(22:44):
So what's the answer. Well, for starters, stop calling it
social media education and work on creating something better to
replace it that doesn't involve smartphones. Thank you very much, Mark,
thoughtful message there from Mark ninety two. Ninety two is
our text number if you want to flip near messages. Well,
Francisca rud caner reckon, we'll have a few thoughts on that.
What do you reckon? Francisco? Would you support banning social

(23:05):
media for people under the age of sixteen unless they've
got parental permission? For fourteen or fifteen year old.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Good luck with that.

Speaker 9 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (23:14):
See, I would say to you is the mother of
a eighteen year old and a fifteen year old. You know,
my kids, they didn't get smartphones until they were kind
of around thirteen. They didn't jump on the Instagram and
things like that till they were thirteen, which is, you know,
the recommended time. But I tell you what I've learned,
and they've been really honest and open with me about

(23:35):
things they find ways around things that parents have no
idea about. They use their mates phones, they can check
what their mates are doing and use their phones. I mean,
I just think it is about education. I've got one
kid who's right into it. I've got one who does,
who does not post, who hardly follows, who knows how
to use it for their benefit and to add value

(23:57):
to their life, and the rest of it completely ignores it,
doesn't want a bar of it. So you know, that's
all about just education and understand and what works for
her and what doesn't and what's a good thing to
be part of them what isn't And I you know,
she's a smart little cookie.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah yeah, well no I don't know.

Speaker 11 (24:19):
This is all from her.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (24:21):
But yeah, Look, I think I think there's a really
serious conversation to be had about what we have allowed
to become the norm. It's really hard to tell parents
what to do. Everyone's in different situations, dealing with different
things and are really busy. But at the end of
the day, we have to completely change our whole perception
as to what value we get from this digital world
we live in and how to how to how to

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embrace it, what it can bring to our lives and
get rid of the stuff that the negative stuff that
doesn't contribute at all to our lives.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So all Well said, Okay, well we're going to pivot
away from all that entertainment of another sort. Two different
films to discuss this morning. So let's start off with
a movie that's showing in cinemas at the moment. This
is Speak no Evil.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
I want to pack up the current.

Speaker 12 (25:07):
I want to leave right now.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
You can then call out there and be completely novel.

Speaker 7 (25:20):
From Britaining its normal.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Since we can't hear Dan, you're ba ba ba ba
tell us about us.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
You would have packed up your popcorn and left the
theater because this is not a relaxing film. You and
I we've spoken about the psychological horrors and horrors and things,
but really are not the most relaxing way to spend
a couple of thousand. This one really does nail it.
It's a remake of the Danish film that was actually
released in twenty and twenty two. The American version is

(25:53):
it's a little bit safer. It's a slightly less deflating
film than the original. I don't want to give too
much away. I think if you've probably seen the original,
you don't need to see this film. It is very similar,
except the land act is quite different. But that is
not to say that if you really enjoy sort of
an edge of your seat exhausting psychological horror, you won't

(26:15):
enjoy a sort of number. That's the intention. It is
to make you feel uncomfortable, to sort of push these
push societal conventions and sort of see where we land
and how you feel about how everything kind of unfolds.
And I mean it is interesting this film because there
was a lot of talk about, you know, not giving

(26:40):
away too much about the story and the plot and
how things unfold. Interestingly, though I didn't think it was
that clever. I think you and I sitting in this
theater would potentially kind of go uh huh, I know
what's going on here and be absolutely right. You've got
these there's two couples. You've got this posh London dwelling

(27:00):
American couple Louise and Ben. They meet this other couple
from the West Country, Paddy and Kara, on a holiday
in Tuscany. When they both return home, Paddy and Kara
they invite Louise and Ben to come and spend the
weekend with them in the country, and they're a bit like, well,
we don't really know these people, but they're having a
bit of a tough time at the moment. So they
decide that they'll head out and just sort of have

(27:21):
this little break and things. They take their twelve year
old daughter, Agnes to play with Paddy and Kara's son
and who has some speech issues, and they get there
and things sort of yeah, you're not quite sure whether
things are okay or not, and that's the whole intention
with this film. That's what it does. It sort of
teases you into thinking that maybe not everything is as

(27:42):
it seems, and then it reassures you it is and
you kind of go off on this journey. James McAvoy
is absolutely brilliant as Paddy. He is totally committed and
terrifying and wonderful. And Mackenzie Davis, who plays Louise, also
she fights back beautifully as well.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Nice. Okay, yeah, it sounds like something that I'm not
going to go to percent honors, No, but it does.
It sounds just a nonetheless and I'm sure there will
be some fans out there, So let's speak no evil.
That's in cinemas, available on streaming services to buy or rent.
Tell us about Radical.

Speaker 10 (28:17):
Yes, the Radical is at cinemas. It is a real
crowd pleaser. It is a Mexican film. It's based on
a true story and it's directed by a filmmaker called Christopherzala.
And it is a story we've seen before. It's a
story of a teacher who empowers his students through his
unconventional teaching ways and the ways that he manages to

(28:37):
engage these children. It is worth saying though, because the
setting is quite unique. It's set in a very violent, poor,
gang infested part of Mexico. Heio Durbez. He plays our
lead character, our teacher so here, and he delivers a
very heart without emotional performance. He is a teacher who

(28:59):
is at a point in his life where he is
desperate to feel that his entire career of teaching children
hasn't been a waste of time and ends up in
this very poor school. He has these children who they're
twelve years old. One is about to leave because her
mother is having another baby and she will be responsible
for looking after the baby while the mother works. Another
little boy in Nko. His family is part of a

(29:20):
gang and he has no other option but to be
brought into this world and he will be leaving school.
And then we have Palermma and she is probably the
reason why this story went national in Mexico, and that's
because she lives in a dump site with her father
and they trawl through the rubbish dump to find metal
and things to recycle and make money and try them

(29:42):
in a living She's a mathematical genius. So you've and
that's the other reason to watch this film is the
director has got these amazing performances out of this young cast.
So there's a mix of humor. There are some devastating
sort of heartbreaking moments, but you will leave this film
utterly uplifted.

Speaker 9 (29:59):
It is a delight.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Okay, I think it's an easy choice for me this week.
Oh I think so well that like just text every
single box from me. Okay. Radical is Francesca's second film.
That first film was Speak No Evil. All of the
details would both will be up on the news talks.
He'd be website.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
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Speaker 2 (30:29):
Thirteen to ten on news talks, he'd be If you
are entertaining and you want to have a delicious, nutritious
meal that isn't too complicated, Nicky wicks our cookers here
with a great suggestion for us this morning, Kilder.

Speaker 12 (30:40):
Yeah, good morning, Jack.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, this sounds great. So creamy chicken and peas. One
pan wonder, yeah, one pan wonder.

Speaker 9 (30:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (30:47):
And you know, I know we've been talking a lot
about social media. Look what about social cooking and eating?
That's way better?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Must be dullifying, you know.

Speaker 13 (30:57):
And I think this warmer weather suddenly owns us all
up a little bit, doesn't it. Like a little flower,
like a little bloss Yeah, because I know myself I've
been starting to think, oh, okay, go out a little bit,
maybe you have friends over that.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Sort of thing usual for me.

Speaker 13 (31:11):
Come on, and this is a great difference. Not too expensive.
I think we've got to think about that this year
in terms of our entertaining season. You know, it's been
a bit lean this year, so chicken is always affordable.
It's probably our most affordable protein. I still encourage people
to spend a bit more and buy some good quality
chicken so that it has got some sort of nice
texture and good.

Speaker 12 (31:32):
Flavor to it.

Speaker 13 (31:34):
And yeah, look lovely big pan of this delivered to
the table. You cannot go wrong. Here's what you do.
It's so super easy. One chicken breast, I think will
end up giving you about three pieces because we're going
to take the tenderloin off if it's that's on the back,
slice the chicken breast through horizontally in half, so you've
got two thinner pieces. But I'm using three to four

(31:57):
of chicken breasts here, so do that with all of them.
Sprinkle them with salt and pepper. Heat a large pan,
and I mean a really big pan here on medium,
lightly brown the chicken on both and a little bit
of oil and perhaps a little bit of butter too,
which would be really nice.

Speaker 10 (32:11):
Take that away.

Speaker 13 (32:12):
We're going to cook it a little bit more later,
so Darry just want to lightly brown it on both sides,
and then in I've used leaks because they're in season
and they're cheap at the moment, but onions will be fine.
You just want to soften those up in the oil
and butter and those leftover sort of chicken juices and
pan juices, and then in a big bowl, mixed that

(32:33):
this little mixture.

Speaker 12 (32:34):
Which is just going to be a beautiful jew over.

Speaker 13 (32:36):
Cup of chicken stock, two tablespoons of lemon juice. So
there goes that beautiful acidity to wake your wake your
taste buds up. Three cloves of garlic, which your mince
wil crush, half a teaspoon of chili flakes, another little
flavor and anser in there, and pour that over your
cooked or softened leaks and onions. Bring it to a
simmer for about ten minutes. Add the chicken back to

(33:00):
the pan so it gets a little bit more cooking,
and then we've got quart of a cup of cream jack.
Oh my goodness, it's so good. It just thickens the
saucer a little bit. So you then just bringing that
up to a gentle heat, pop it into the oven
if you like, or do it on the stop top
of the stove. It just needs to cook up for
about six to eight minutes. And then right at the end,

(33:22):
I just pour some board water over about a cup
and a half of peas. And I just love putting
peas in here because it's so springy and it's beautiful.
Let them sit for five minutes, then drain them. That'll
be enough to cook them enough, and then add those
to the pan for the final two minutes, and then
just serve this at the table, perhaps with a lovely
bit of crusty bread, maybe some butter crunch or cos lettuce,

(33:44):
decent grind of black pepper over it, chop parsley over
your dish. And it's just I mean, I ate this
the other night when I was testing this, and honestly,
I just couldn't have been happier. It was sort of
light and bright and fresh, but also kind of comforting
and spring as we've seen, you know yesterday in the
South Island can turn on us and be cold again. Yeah,

(34:07):
we'll still be fine for that, you know, or for
a lovely sort of summer lunch, a lovely sort of
spring luncheon. So it's a good.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
It's really afford it sounds amazing affordable. And can I
just say too, Like I'm going through the ingredients, I
think I have literally everything at home. I don't know,
I maybe don't have cream. I don't have cream, but
I could just pick that up from the diary. That's
not hard. It's very simple like this is all stuff
that these are pantry staples totally.

Speaker 13 (34:31):
And I'm all about the pantry staples always because I
live a long way from a supermarch.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, yeah, okay, can I ask though, could you could
you swap a few living like my wife is Persian
and Persians of course never have boneless, skinless skinless chicken breasts.
I mean that's like, you know, that's like sacrac So well,
could I do like a bone in option or or
something with skin? You know? I could do that? Could

(34:55):
of course?

Speaker 13 (34:56):
Of course, you just need to cook a little bit longer.
Great question, because you're right, you know, sometimes you want
a bit more flavor in there, which the skin gives
you because it's got fat and the bone and gives
you so look, thighs would be lovely in this chicken.
Skin on breasts if you can find them. I'm still
old enough to remember bone in breast. Yeah, boy, they
were fantastic, all those little caramelized bones at the end,

(35:17):
all delicious. So yeah, absolutely, no, you can. You just
need to think about how long you need to cook it.
The trick of this one is that cooks very quickly
because of all of those things, but by all means
cook it for a bit longer if you're going to
use thighs or something.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, yeah, very good. Hey, top of the text machine
right now. Please tell Niki that I absolutely love her
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Speaker 13 (35:38):
It is so nice. Yes, yes, it's being read widely
and I get loads of messages and I love them
all and I respond to them all, I hope.

Speaker 12 (35:47):
And yeah, now it's been good.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
More from a Quiet.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Kitchen very good. That's right. If you were going to
say it, I was, so I'm glad that you did.
Your publisher would be absolutely spitting if you didn't. Let
as Nicky work out cook this morning. Her recipe will
be on the Newstalks. He'd be website very shortly. And
More from a Quiet Kitchen is available at all good bookstores,
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Speaker 1 (36:05):
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Speaker 2 (36:17):
Interesting email here Jack. It's important to remember that some
cultures do eat animals that we consider as companions only horses,
guinea pigs and parts of South America, yes, and dogs. Sadly,
I mean this is this is true. I don't think
anyone's anyone's denying that. You know, it is true that
in Peru, for example, they do eat guinea pig, and

(36:38):
other parts of the world that horse and sometimes even
dog might be eaten, just as other cultures would look
at our our cuisine and some of the things we
eat and probably be horrified. I can imagine that. You know,
for many Indian people, the prospect of eating beef, for example,
would be absolutely shocking. But I suppose it's not necessarily

(36:59):
the suggestion that an unusual meat is being consumed, but
rather that they were pets that were being consumed. That
my might have raised the hour of some in that
presidential debate earlier this week, especially given it has been
completely debunked, but thank you for that.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Totally agree with your comments this morning. Regarding social media.
It's a tricky one. Usually I'm against the state banning
anything unnecessarily, and sometimes I think we go far too
far and expecting our politicians to step in for things
that parents should really be doing themselves. In this case, however,
as you mentioned, it is a collective action problem. Yeah,
this is my point with it. I think by setting

(37:37):
a standard right across the board. It means that parents
don't have to make that choice between worrying if their
child is being ostracized because the child's not able to
engage socially with their friends, and worrying about the harm
that social media is doing. Thank for your feedback. Ninety
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(37:57):
as that, we're going to tell you about the big
Apple launch. They had their big glitzy event this week,
announced another new iPhone that I don't know from my
speak of the very least, looked pretty similar to their
most recent iPhone. Surely not in this age of consumption.
Surely not. Just a new button, a new a new widget,
and a new two thousand dollars price tag will tell

(38:19):
you about the new product, though that's being hailed as
a hearing aid as well as that a feature interview
right after the ten o'clock news. Cannot wait for this one.
Troy Kingey on his creative journey to Joshua Tree in
the United States, the desert, the wide open skies in
an afternoon with magic Mushrooms News is next on Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
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Speaker 2 (39:14):
The Accidental What in a neyw Zealand you have a
jactaim on Newstalks z'db. This is Troy Kingy and you
would have to say Troy Kingy is a man on
a mission. Ten albums and ten genres over ten years.

(39:35):
Throughout the project, Troy has carved a remarkable reputation for
musical versatility and talent. Last month, he released album number
eight in the ten ten ten project, Lea The Man
in the Mojave Green. Of course, a Stelle music reviewer
on Saturday Mornings gave it ten out of ten. She
reckons it was extraordinary, a rock album that has brought

(39:59):
Troy Kingy back to his roots. And now somehow, somehow,
Troy is squeezing in a tour of New Zealand before
getting to work on the final two albums in his
ten ten ten series. And Troy is with us this morning.
Ah to Muddy Kilda, Good morning.

Speaker 14 (40:14):
Ten ou queer Jack. Thank you for having men, Thank.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
You for being here, I think we should talk process.
And I know that you're not the kind of guy
who likes to be too retrospective and think about the
past too much, But just for the sake of context,
can you talk us through the process for recording leather
Man in the Mahabi Green.

Speaker 14 (40:32):
There's quite a big process. Obviously. The first part of
that is trying to find funding to get somewhere, and
we happened to record this album over in Joshua Tree
in LA So there was a lot of getting the
funds together to get over there. Luckily, we were able
to get Tom hern and Tofaki on board to film

(40:56):
this documentary and that essentially got us over there. So,
but the big impetus behind going over there was those
I don't know, I'm doing a ten ten ten series
where I'm trying to do ten albums in ten years,
ten different genres. This was number eight.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 14 (41:16):
When you try and put something like that in front
of you, you're gonna head a wall at some point.
And I feel like last year was that war. So
going over to the desert was me trying to rekindle
the flame that got me into this industry in the
first place.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, so Joshua Tree for people who don't know, California
middle of the desert, like forty degrees every day. It
is dry. It is a super harsh environment, and there
is this amazing studio there Rancho de la Luna with
like Rancho of the Moon talk to us about that environment.

Speaker 14 (41:48):
Yeah, I've known about this place for over two decades now.
One of my all time favorite bands, Queens of the
Stone Age, recorded songs for the Death back there that
come out in two thousand and two. It's still my
favorite album to this day. So when Matt, who works
at the label I'm with, suggested we go over there,

(42:10):
I always thought it was just a pipe dream. But
actually standing there, you know Dave Catching who's also in
Queens of the Stone Age, who named Queens of the
stain Age, he runs the studio. So just being able
to sit with him and him to say, hey, Josh
use this guitar on the song, or Dave Grohl was
playing the exact same thing. You know, you can't help

(42:33):
but just get excited and inspired. So yeah, it's nothing amazing.
It doesn't look anything like it's no Abbey Road or
anything like that, but it's basically a house in the
middle of the desert with all these cool trinkets.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
Just the way I like it.

Speaker 14 (42:49):
It's super rough.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And ready, and so you went there seeking inspiration. Why
do you think you'd hit that block? Is it just
because you've been churning out so much stuff over the
last few years as part of the ten ten ten.

Speaker 14 (43:03):
Yeah. I keep saying it's a creative block, but it's
probably be more. I'm still able to create a lot
of stuff, but I was just at a point where
I was questioning all my directions and back in the beginning,
I'll just write for the love of writing, and things
would just flow the way they flowed, and I felt

(43:23):
like I kind of lost that. So actually going back
to a genre or style that is probably the core
of who I am. It was timely. It was like
perfect timing and somewhere like that. It wasn't just the shootero,
it was the desert, it was the people. We had
a few cool experiences over there and it all just

(43:44):
culminated in what we have The man in the Mahavi Green.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Let's talk about some of those cool experiences. And for
anyone who hasn't seen it, I cannot recommend Troy Kingy's
Desert hikoy on TVNZ plus enough because it's amazing. So
you went over the head out into the desert in
the middle of the night. That was that was pretty special.
But you really leaned into the search for inspiration because
you decided to do a cultural ceremony where you took psilocybin,

(44:11):
you took magic mushrooms. How was that.

Speaker 14 (44:15):
I was quite anxious about it, actually because people will
listen to a few of my albums and think I'm
a super draggy dude when I'm very straight edge. You know,
I've got five kids. I got to be on the
ball all the time. So but I just wanted to
embrace everything, and especially Joshua Tree in the desert is

(44:37):
it goes in conjunction with that sort of thing trips
or psilocybin or whatever you want to call it. And
initially we were supposed to do ayahuasca and then one
of my friends is like, Oh, probably don't want to
do that straight out the bat. You probably want you know,
you want to train for like.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
A few months.

Speaker 14 (44:53):
Yeah, it started a bit easier, and so they suggested
that we do mushrooms and I'd never done that before.
Didn't know what to.

Speaker 15 (45:00):
Expect, and.

Speaker 14 (45:02):
I can't quite recall a lot of that thing, but
I know it felt really good. And then all I
know is the next morning I just woke up and
songs just started writing themselves at like five in the morning.
So I don't know what unblocked. But from that point
to the toil we got home, everything just seemed to
flow really nice.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
So it was like a creative river. That's the term
use it.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah. Was it a scary thing to do up?

Speaker 14 (45:30):
Yeah, I don't know how people do that, you know,
like at festivals or out in the public. I'm just
glad that we had this nice, confined space with actual
experts that could help us go through that journey.

Speaker 8 (45:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (45:45):
And I even said in the docker, I loved the experience.
I don't need to go back there for the time being,
but I love it for what it was.

Speaker 7 (45:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Did you think there's something like a primal connection that
people have with being in the desert, because it's funny
like being from Alti or being Maldi, Like, we don't
really have a desert and experience here, right, But I
wonder if there's something like at an even kind of
deeper level something like really human or you know, there's

(46:17):
something kind of in our matter that connects us to those.
Maybe it's the insignificance of being in the desert. Did
you did you feel that kind of primal?

Speaker 14 (46:26):
Definitely. We had another friend of mine, Mark Russell, who's
been documenting my journey for about sex or seven years actually,
and he would get up earlier as to see the
sunrise and then he'd go up before the sunset to
take photos and oh man, it's just a beautiful place.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
And you're right, it does.

Speaker 14 (46:49):
Show you how insignificant you are in the greatest scheme
of things, and you were just flawed by the beauty
of the environment and you did go back to the
core of who you are, and it was it was
all soul searching, all of that sort of thing. Without
having to try and soul search, you just were in
a place that made you think that way.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah. Have your fans reacted to the range of different
sounds that you've produced in the eight albums that you've
released under the ten ten ten so far?

Speaker 14 (47:23):
I think I have an amazing fan base that are
kind of just with me.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Now.

Speaker 14 (47:29):
I got people suggesting, like, what are you doing next?
You're going to do a techno album or you're going
to do a death metal album. So right at the beginning,
I was a bit worried that I was going to
alienate my fan base. You know, they might love the
reggae album and just say why don't you just stick
to that or the sole album. So once I got
to the album number four, I just like, oh, well we're

(47:51):
in this now. Yeah, you're either with me or you're not.
That's fine, but I'm going to do this thing. And
and I've got quite a loyal fan base, so that's
pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And you said earlier that this feels like you're kind
of original sound in a sense of kind of desert rock. Yeah,
it is that accurate.

Speaker 14 (48:08):
Well, if you listen to my very first album, which
is probably more blues indie stuff, but there's definitely elements
of this. And you know, being a first album, everyone's
first album. They've had like however long to write that album,
so it's quite eclectic. But yeah, you definitely hear elements

(48:29):
of this. And just going back to that same with
my drummer, that's I found him when he was sixteen.
He was I was an itinerant teacher at high school
and he was in a band at school and that
was his style, and so I put him through the ringer,
you know, like playing folk and playing soul music and
then eighties synth pop, and then to finally just go

(48:52):
back to what he loved. Yeah, you could feel his
love for drumming again, you know. So yeah, it was
definitely a kind of homecoming.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, hip Hop's next day.

Speaker 14 (49:04):
Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 14 (49:07):
I'm not too fair, I'm you know, I'm not I
might be rapping, but I've actually just put a call
out to all my friends in the industry and people
that I admire and asked if they want to be
part of it, and they all said yes, And we
go into the studio November. So we finished this tour
at the end of this month. I've got a few

(49:27):
things on next month and then we go straight and
so haven't got a lot of time for the turnaround.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
But it's always the case though.

Speaker 14 (49:35):
Yeah, but it's all good because we're actually writing in
the studio. So each of the artists has a day
in the studio and I've given them a playlist and
asked what style are you leaning towards or were then
around that, I'll like a soundscape that I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
What artists would be most represented on the playlist.

Speaker 14 (49:56):
I've got actually got a female EMC from Wellington mar
Is on it, and she she's the one who points
it out that it's pretty much much Polynesian bar Tom Scott,
So yeah, cool, I'm just like, oh far, I don't
even think of that.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, it was just my favorite scot Off home brow.
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 (50:15):
So umm, I'm still yet to come up with the
overall theme for everyone to talk about. But yeah, it's
a hard one because i probably want to talk about
politics or something to do with indigenous things, but I've
already done that in the past album, so I'm like,
what's another spin on that? So everyone just said just

(50:36):
take your time and figrid out and whatever it is,
they'll smash it. Doesn't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, it's funny. I was reflecting on the ten ten
ten project the other day and in the ways that
like it forces you in some way. I mean it does.
It forces you to release music? Right, If you're going
to do ten albums, ten genres, ten years, then you're
forced to constantly be creating and are you familiar with this,
the kind of principle around creativity that the best way

(51:03):
to be creative is to put constraints on things.

Speaker 14 (51:06):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Do you reckon on hundred percent?

Speaker 14 (51:08):
I feel like if I didn't have that, I don't
even know if I'd have an album out now. I'm
one of those ones that just needs a deadline, And
people say, do you feel like the quality is going
to dip? That you're pushing up so much content? And
I'm feeling like, if I had five years to write
an album, I'd probably still write it the two weeks
leading into you know, so it doesn't really matter. So

(51:33):
but that's always my thing is I need to be
proud of what I'm putting out. And that was one
thing right at the beginning. I don't want to just
put it out for the hell of putting it out.
I want to do my best with the time that
I have.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
One last question, where do you get your clothes? Because
you have such amazing distinct style, and like seeing you
in the desert as well, I was like, damn, Troy's
looking amazing. But I'm not convinced that that's necessarily the coolest,
Like as in cold the coldest cut of clothes to
be wearing when it's forty degrees Where do you get
your clothes?

Speaker 14 (52:05):
These particular ponchos that I've been wearing from a company
in Totoo called Tony Fayaja. I think it's a moldy
feller who married a woman from Chile.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
That's where, yeah, it's come from.

Speaker 14 (52:18):
But I've also got a designer who I work with
on the movie Toke, like five years ago, Lizzie Turner,
whose husband Jared is an actor, an amazing actor if
you've seen a couple of years ago. She made me
this bright silky green shirt green suit. Sorry for my
eightycenth pop. Last year she made that jacket, the cowboy

(52:39):
looking jacket that I was wearing in the desert. So
I basically just wear what I'm told. I also have
Hill's Hats from Wellington, who's been making me hats for
the last five years. This hat actually the material for
this hat from eighteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
WOA, so it's quite an old hat.

Speaker 14 (52:58):
He said, do you want an ancient relic of a hat?
And I'm like yeah, So he made it for me
a bit a month ago.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, Well, congratulations on leather Man in the Mahave Green.
Thank you for sharing his story with us, Thank you
for going on tour, and good luck for November when
you're back in the studio.

Speaker 14 (53:11):
Thank you so much, Bro, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
That is Troy Kingey. His tour details are going to
be up and available on the News talks heb website,
leather Man and the Mojave Green is his latest album.
It is absolutely fantastic. So if you haven't had to
listen yet, make sure you do. Two albums to go
and his ten ten ten project. Right now, it's twenty
one minutes past ten.

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Get a Jack, get a Troy, Troy Talk. My kids
at Ketty Kitty High School. Much loved teacher. We love
his music and is acting. Yeah, he's an amazing talent,
isn't he? Jeff, thank you for that great interview. Jack
as Troy touring this weekend. Sure is he is playing
in christ Church tonight or TOTUCKI at Loon's. I think
that's sold out though, so you might have to hit
up one of your mates. They've got to be a

(54:06):
ticket This Thursday, Todunger Friday, Hamilton, next Saturday the Kabana
in Napier and then Sunday in Gisbon at Smash Palace.
All of those details will be on the news talks
He'd be website. If you want to get in touch,
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(54:27):
here you going. I'm really well, thank you and I'm
super excited for the latest series of Slow Horses on
Apple TV Plus starring Gary Oldman. Tell us about Slow Horses.

Speaker 16 (54:38):
Only you'd like this. I just felt like this as
a show that you would get into. It's about spies
in the UK Right five, the super secret spy agency
that none of us really know much about. But it's
not about the real spies. It's about the outcast and misfits,
the rejects, the spies that have done something bad in
the field and they get sent to do penance in

(55:00):
this rundown office which is overseen by Gary Oldman and
has won and only TV role which he is absolutely relishing.
You can sort of see him here. He plays Jackson Lamb,
the boss of these these spies, and he's like, he's overweight,
he drinks, he smokes, he's you know, the word slovenly

(55:20):
was created to describe him. He you can almost smell
him coming off the screen. But the irony is he's
he's really good at his job. He loves these these
these outcast cities in charge of and so every season
they sort of find themselves wrapped up in sort of
redeeming themselves. It's one of these kind of old school

(55:41):
TV shows. I feel like it kind of turns up
for six episodes every year and it just does the goods.
It delivers every time. This season is no different. The
quality is right up there, and they're exploring some really
interesting scenes, including one of the spies granddads, who's suffering
dementia and so what do you do with elderly spy
who is loising his mind and could give away trade secrets?

(56:05):
That's ripe territory. So yeah, this would I think be
the best show on TV right now if it wasn't
for industry. I'm not surprised.

Speaker 9 (56:16):
You love it.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I love it? Yeah, Yeah, And No, Slow Horses is exceptional.
So that's on Apple TV. Plus screening on Neon tell
Us about wise guy David Chase in The Sopranos.

Speaker 16 (56:28):
Yeah, well, speaking of quality TV, I think we all
consider The Sopranos to be one of, if not the
best show's ever made. This ran from ninety ninety nine
to two thousand and seven, and it's sort of got
a bit of another wave of support, if you like.
During Lockdown, I feel like everyone was watching it again

(56:50):
and yeah, they've decided it's time for a documentary on it.
This isn't just like a rah rah, look how great
the show was documentary. This is diving in deep. It's
the director Alex Giveney, one of the greatest documentary makers
of our time, and he doesn't really clever Harry. He
recreates doctor Malfie's office and he sits David Chase, the

(57:11):
creator of The Sopranos, down in it, and he puts
them through exactly what Tony Soprano went through for.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
All those years.

Speaker 16 (57:18):
He makes them dive into the creation of the show,
like why he made it. It turns out he was
just trying to make a show about his mum that
had nothing to do with the mob, but he thought,
you know what if I added some bad guys into
it and it evolved from there. But yeah, there's a
lot of big reveals in this two part documentary. They

(57:39):
talk a lot about James Gandalfini, who obviously was in
almost every sing of the Sopranos. He was the Sopranos,
and just how much he struggled with it. He wasn't
built for the fame, he wasn't built to handle it,
and so he would sort of disappear for days on end.
They talk about drugs and alcohol abuse. They held an
intervention for him at one point, and they talk about

(58:03):
how he prepared for those really violent scenes and so
we'd put rocks in his shoes, or down six cups
of coffee or even bang his head on a wall.
That's how It's how Farry took it. So yeah, this
is I mean, this is great. I reckon, we'll probably
see more of these. I wouldn't be surprised them for
like six feet under or the wire or the office,
you know, those big totems.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Kind of inside. Yeah, right, that's very interesting. So that's
wise Guy David Chase and the Sopranos It's on Neon
and on tvn Z one and tvn Z plus Location, Location,
Location end Z.

Speaker 16 (58:37):
Yeah, a lot of surprised we're finally rebooting this UK
hits for New Zealand. We're all obsessed with house prizes,
especially here in Auckland's. This has been on the air
in the UK for forty one season since the year
two thousand. We're finally doing our own version. It's a
show where it's pretty simple. They find people looking to

(58:58):
buy houses and they try and find them their dream home.
You know, there's there's there's a lot of talk all
those clichos, the forever home, dream home. The hosts real
estate agents, but they're also quite familiar TV faces. It's
James Keeley who hosted My de Sceen Dream Home, Paul Glover,
who is actually a comedy actor from one of my

(59:20):
favorite local shows, Educators. So they sort of just take
a couples or people who are looking to buy houses
around to see if they can find them a home
they want. It's based in Auckland and I feel like
that's the only point here where house prizes are quite
far out of reach for many people. And one of

(59:42):
the couples in this first episode is spending over a
million dollars on their first house, which is a hell
of a lot of money, and there's no sort of
time to dive into why that's the case and how
we got there. It's sort of like, you know, look
at the third bedroom in the second bathroom and the
deck and that kind of stuff. So if you're into
like property porn, then you know grand designs that kind

(01:00:04):
of thing, you'll love it. But I wouldn't be surprised
a few people come across this and sorry their coffee
cups at the TV.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Okay, thank you very much, Chris. That's location, Location, Location
end z Edit's on TV and Z Plus and tvn
Z one. Slow Horses is on Apple TV plus. Wise
Guy David Chasing the Sopranos is on Neon.

Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
Getting your Weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
This is This is Toy. You're a cosmic collision of soul,
funk and pop with a classic Wellington story. So the
crew met at Jazz School and you might have heard
of them earlier this year. They pend a funky little
anthem to lift altiors Olympic team ain't just dreaming and
it feats Olympians Elise Andrews on backing vocals and Max

(01:01:09):
Brown on guitar. Toy often talk about their love for
Kiwi music, the inspiration they find right here at home,
bands like that, Freddy's, The Black Seeds and Cora, and
it really shows and the music they create it it's
kind of got a real Dubbi vibe, which is cool.
And they've just released a new album which they say
has a good sprinkle of soul and funk thrown in

(01:01:29):
as well. So we're gonna have a bit of a
listen to Toy's new album Waves after eleven o'clock this morning.
Our music reviewer will give us her thoughts on that
as well. But yeah, it sounds cool. They and quite
distinctly Keyweed, so looking forward to listening to that. It is,
of course Twicky or Ted l Maudi. I thought I
would just give us a phrase. This is a really
simple phrase that I've been using lately, which I think

(01:01:51):
is a great one if you've got kids, especially or grandkids.
So after every day when we pick up our boy
from school, I always say to him here are ha
or Pineing or Ted are how a ha? Which means
what or which means you also hair aha or Payinger
good things or teta. So it kind of means like,

(01:02:13):
what were your highlights of the day, all paying or tetra.
I always ask him that after school. So yeah, if
you are learning a phrase or two forteer wiki or
toda l Marti, that could be a good one for you.
Here Hau or Payinger or tetra. Before eleven o'clock, we're
going to catch up with our money man, Ed McKnight.
He's been looking at interest rates in the ocr doing
some maths. He's been pulling out the excel worksheets, looking

(01:02:35):
at the average house price in New Zealand, the average
price of investment properties, the average wage, and he's got
some interesting stats on what he thinks the investment market
might do in the coming months and years. So looking
forward to catching up with him. Next up our text
Burt Is in twenty four to eleven, you've a jack
tame on Newstalks. He'd be sat entertain the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (01:02:56):
There was one Olympic story that came out of nowhere
for a lot of us, who was Hamish Curre of course,
Suddenly seemingly out of no where, we had the best
high jumper in the world. He was going to be
competing in Belgium apparently, but he said night bugger, it
need to come and see Mike. So he has and
he's what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
I did athletics at a club at a young age,
and highjump was always the event that I was the
best at. I think the thing for me was every
year I just got a little bit more serious, and
then obviously last fe years I've been pretty serious.

Speaker 17 (01:03:18):
I can't remember the name of the term. So you'd
start with the scissors. What's the one where you rolled
forward over.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
That would be called the Western role.

Speaker 17 (01:03:24):
So occasionally we got into the Western role because the
height was too high for the scissors age mate.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:03:30):
Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the
Jaguar Space used Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Twenty two to eleven on news Talk d B. Apple
had its big glitzy launch event this week. Our textbert
Paul Stenhouse had his eye on the various new products
being announced that I don't know, Paul. My sense was that, yeah,
they were all nice, but they were just in kind
of like little, you know, small improvements on products that
already exist. Is that fair?

Speaker 12 (01:03:54):
Like they launched a new phone. Can you believe it?

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Like, no, wasn't enough? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 12 (01:04:01):
Do you know what did catch my eye though?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
Apple released a hearing aid.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yes, wow, that is cool. It is cool. They were Yeah, they.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Were waiting on FDA approval and we found out today
they got that FDA approval, which makes it the first
over the counter hearing aid software device. And I think
this is a really big deal, huge deal. These stats
had that one point five billion people around the world
have some form of hearing loss, according to the World

(01:04:31):
Health Organization. There's quite a few people and maybe some
people that you know, you were embarrassed to go and
get tested. There's like a stigma attached to having a
hearing aid.

Speaker 12 (01:04:44):
There shouldn't be, obviously, but there is.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
And I think that this goes a really long way
about normalizing the process of one going and getting your
hearing tested because with their new epod Protus, you can
do a hearing test.

Speaker 12 (01:04:59):
At home, in the comfort of your own home, with
your headphones on.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
And their study also found for one point five billion
people have hearing loss, seventy five percent of people actually diagnosed, yeah,
haven't received any of the help that they should, right
so now you can do the test at home, find
out about it, and you can also use your earpod
pro towos to actually be a hearing aid and we're

(01:05:26):
talking a medical.

Speaker 12 (01:05:27):
Grade hearing aid here, Jack.

Speaker 7 (01:05:28):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
The test you get actually gives you the same audiogram,
the same information that you would get at the hearing
that you're hearing doctor's office, and then it uses that
information to then basically create a profile inside your earpod
protos that will boost the highs or the lows or
the mids or decrease them or whatever it is that
you need in order to hear, and will do that

(01:05:51):
all by itself in the palm of your hand, which
is rather incredible. So if you do struggle with listening
to people, or you struggle hearing things going on in
your environment, your ear pods.

Speaker 12 (01:06:04):
That typically also have noise canceling for and you use
to listen to.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
Music, they can now also help you hear conversations and
the things around you.

Speaker 12 (01:06:12):
I think that's tech for good. I think that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
It is very cool. That is very cool for keen
watches of Ai technology. Open Ai has announced a new
upgrade that means AI can reason.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Yeah, I actually think this could be a new phase
of AI, which is a big step forward. If you've
ever played with CHET, GPT or any of the others,
it gives you an answer really fast, and sometimes that
answer can feel a.

Speaker 12 (01:06:38):
Little bit rushed.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
What this allows it to do is to basically go
away and think for a bit, which is rather complex
because it can think now in a series of stages
and can think basically more human like to solve multi
step problems. So I will think about, well, that would
be an issue, but then that would be a cause

(01:07:01):
of effect, and then that would be a problem.

Speaker 12 (01:07:02):
It can actually now start to think about this.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
It's a little slower, it's significantly more expensive to access.

Speaker 12 (01:07:09):
But do you want to hear how scary this is?

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
Jack?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
And for you? Yeah? Gone?

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
So did you know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
There's an International Mathematics Olympiad the mass Olympics, if you will,
and to qualify the current best or the previously best
GPT at CHET GPT four to zero model scored a
thirteen percent to go to that test, So then there'sn't
very good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Right, You're probably going to get in yeah, the.

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
New model eighty three percent in an online coding competition.

Speaker 12 (01:07:37):
So doing like coding problems and trying to solve hard things.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
This new model got into the eighty nine percent tile
of participants. The next model they think will be able
to perform at PhD level for the types of things
that we solve with the best minds in physics, chemistry
and biology.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 12 (01:08:00):
I said it was the next phase. It kind of feels.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Like that is very very soon. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:08:08):
Yeah, yes, and it's a big step up PhD level.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, PhD level. Yeah, that's crazy, absolutely crazy. Thank you
so much, Paul. That's our Textbert Paul Stenhouse talking Money
next on Newstalk's EDB seventeen minutes to eleven.

Speaker 7 (01:08:23):
It's a no bit of way to kick off your
weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Saturday Mornings with Jack team and vpew it dot co
dot nz for high Quality Supplements us Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Quarter to eleven, Non newstalks 'b our Money Man Ed
mcnight is in the house.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Go to ed get a Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
I know a lot of people have been looking at
the OCI, keeping an eye on interest rates and thinking, oh,
maybe if the property market is going to start turning
sometime soon, it could be time to look at an
investment property. Do you reckon. That is a phenomenon that's
occurring right now.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
I think there are a lot of people thinking about it,
and one of the reasons is because of that interplay
between interest rates and house prices. I think a lot
of people are saying, well, if interest rates are really
going to start plumassing over the next year, maybe I
need to get in now, because then house prices might
go up. But then a really interesting question is, well,

(01:09:13):
if I'm the average New Zealander, how many investment properties?
If I want to buy rental properties, how many could
I potentially buy? And the trouble is, it's no use
looking at people who started investing twenty years ago or
thirty years ago and now own ten investment properties or
five investment properties, because the banks have changed all of
their lending rules. Twenty years ago, the Reserve Bank didn't

(01:09:36):
have LVR restrictions, they didn't have detail restrictions. But of
course house prices are much more expensive these days, and
so this all kick started a little bit of a journey.
It's an interesting story where I started looking at people
who compete in Microsoft Excel competitions, because this is a
real thing, jackets, and it's an e sport these.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Days, and they're crazy how good they are.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
Ah, And the good news is there are a number
of New Zealanders who actually do quite well in these competitions.
So I called them up and I said, well, could
you build me a spreadsheet to kind of answer this
based on today's lending policy, all of the rules, today's
house prices, and of course house prices are getting more expensive,
incomes going up, all of these sorts of things. How

(01:10:20):
many investment properties could someone, say, earning eighty grand a year,
or a couple earning eighty grand a year each, how
many investment properties could they buy over the next fifteen years?
And it's quite fascinating. The answer is two to three
pretty comfortably over the next fifteen years. And the average income,
average household income is about one hundred and sixty k
in Auckland, so that'd be pretty reasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I mean, okay, so just break us down a couple
of things. So is that assuming that they own their
house already?

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
Yeah, assuming you've got a house already, right, and that
you're not mortgaged totally up to the eyeballs, right, If
you had the average house in New Zealand, which median
sale price is seven hundred and seventy k average mortgage
is actually quite surprisingly low. Jack, three hundred and nine
k is the average mortgage, right, And if you're on
the average household income in New Zealand two to three properties,
if your incomes higher but higher than that, if your

(01:11:10):
mortgage is larger, then that number would be a little
bit smaller, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
So, and that's presuming that the investment properties are the
average house price as well.

Speaker 9 (01:11:19):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
In this case, I've actually gone for a slightly lower figure.
I'm starting out with the house price being about five
hundred and fifty k, which would be a good entry
level investment property. Just bearing in mind that typically property
investors won't buy the average house price. They'll typically buy
something a little bit on the more affordable side.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Right Okay, yeah, yeah, so and often if you know,
in our cities we're seeing much more intensification and things
that could mean a townhouse, an apartment something like that
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
So that's quite interesting. I think, you know, if you
were to just ask a lot of people, you know,
pick some random person off the street and said, looking
at the average numbers across the board, how many investment
properties could you potentially invest in with the settings as
they are, I think people would have said two to three.
I think that would have come as a bit of
a surprise. But of course that does take some financial

(01:12:12):
and budgeting discipline right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
Well, absolutely, And it's assuming you do in the right
things at the right time, that you're not having an
extra baby than you already are right now, because if
you're taking maternity or opportunity leave, that decreases your income.
If you're taking out an extra higher purchase at Harvey
normatal bias the T set, that means you've got more
debt that's going to bring that number down slightly. So

(01:12:35):
there's a lot of assumptions in it, but it's a
pretty good ballpark to say, well, what could I actually do?
And the other thing that's really difficult to forecast, or
had been in the past, was that if you buy
investment property over time, the house value is likely to
go up. On top of that, the rental income is
likely to go up, and those things help you then

(01:12:56):
purchase your next investment property. Right and so because you
get that compounding effect the more properties you own, that
in the past has been hard to see.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
That's fascinating. How would you go in one of those
Excel competitions you can.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Ed God.

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
To be honest, Jack, I have met in the match
with these guys. They are absolutely extraordinary. I would not
do too well. But one thing I have been doing
to get better as I talk a lot to my
new friend chat gpt to write me complex formulas.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
That's very good. I hadn't thought about using chat GPT
for that. That's very that's very smart, that's cunning. Yeah,
I can only remember about two or three formulas when
I'm using Excel, you know, I always have to then
go and google it by the by which time I
sort of defeated the purpose of you know, using being
efficient by having a by having a sweadsheet. But yeah,
that's a great idea.

Speaker 6 (01:13:48):
Go and use your chat GPT. Soon you'll be one
of these competitions as well, Chack.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I'm not too sure about that. But yeah, hey, thank
you so much, Ed. You have a great weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
See you, Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
That is our money man, Ed McKnight. Okay, quick pop quiz.
Can you recycle the following items? The lid off a
milk bottle? Do you think you can recycle? What about
the lid off an ice cream container? Okay, some of
these answers might surprise you. We're going to catch up
with our sustainability commentator after eleven o'clock this morning, who
is horrified at some of the things that people are

(01:14:17):
trying to recycle At the moment, right now, it is
nine minutes to eleven. Check team, and I'm really excited
to see some.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Great gardening with Steel Sharp don't less their biggest spring
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Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yeah, man in the gardener's roode climb past Kilda.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Road, Kyoda Jack and he is in the garden actually
because it's finally clearing up on this wonderful winter's day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, it is a busy time of year. It is
a busy time of year. I know it's been chilly
and weet, wee you are, I know it's been pretty
wintery in parts of the country. But you're recommending to
us this morning some of your favorite tools for getting
your hands dirty at this time of year.

Speaker 9 (01:14:52):
Well, there's a couple of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Things that you know most most gardeners that have been
doing this for ages. No, for instance, what a trenching
spade is. And trenching spade is one of those thinner
narrow space that it's quite long, but The cool thing
is it digs quickly and deeply, and it makes wonderful
straight If you're like a tree, places where you can
plant trees, trenches, that's the word.

Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
Yeah, where you can plant your trees.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
So that I don't really want to talk too much
about it, just saying this is something that really saves
your back and your arthritis.

Speaker 9 (01:15:22):
I can tell you that for free. So that's number one.
Number two weeding, if you want to talk about weeding implements.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Everybody will know what a hole is, but there is
a fabulous one that I got from a Dutch guy
that I met at the Meggis. No, not the Meggis,
the garden festivals, you know the stuff there Elleslie garden
shows and Meggie was theirs too, and that was yap snah.

Speaker 9 (01:15:46):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
He has a hole from the Netherlands that you can
get in New Zealand, which he calls the Royal Hole,
and it has a wonderful pool head on it, but
also a three timed other side that you can actually
cut literally down to the roots of all your weeds.

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
This is fabulous stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I mean, if it's not terribly cheap or anything, but boy,
they work for decades and work.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
So just to explain this again, So you've got the
traditional hole on one side and then on the other side,
it's like one of the three fingered implements, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:16:19):
That's right?

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, that goes deep into the soil and takes all
the roots out that you don't want there of the weeds, and.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
This is the good So you turn it over where
you go. Excellent stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Nice number three And we've talked about this before. Actually
people ask me a lot also on Sunday morning, how
do you cut these blinking flex leaves that.

Speaker 9 (01:16:38):
Constantly go over the drive.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
So the Japanese have invented the sharpest tool in the toolbox.
It's called the knee washy flex knife. Knee washy is
the isn't thing and it is sharp as it's got
tiny teeth sticking downwards. And you're going to be so
careful with it because it really really causes troubles if
you don't watch out with your finger. But you can

(01:17:02):
cut literally even the dead flex leaves are cut in
a ify.

Speaker 9 (01:17:07):
Problem at all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Very nice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Finally, finally, something I'm going to give you one day,
and it's I will.

Speaker 9 (01:17:13):
It's a cultivator.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
It's It is a hand hole if you like, which
has got a nice ninety degree bend, and it is
actually made here by the Clark cultivator.

Speaker 9 (01:17:23):
It's called by mister Clark here in christ Church.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
It's a local one tongue, a DA four and I
thing if you like. Yeah, and it is ninety degree angles,
very sharp, and it is really quick to use for
ripping the roots out of weeds.

Speaker 9 (01:17:37):
And the pointy end can of course be used for.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Incredibly accurate weeding between the rows.

Speaker 9 (01:17:44):
So have you've got a whole lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Seas there you can just get in between the rows
without literally hacking your new plants apart are my favorite toys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
And we will put them all on the news dogs.
He'd be website, thanks rude. News is next.

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Now it's great to have you with us this morning,
Jack Tame with you through the midday Today. Before midday,
we're going to listen to the new album from Kiwi
Musoh's Toy, kind of like a few other Kiwi bands

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tracks projects Front of Mind. In this front they met
at jazz school and they've put together a really interesting
kind of fusion sound. It's kind of dubby, kind of rocky,
kind of solely. So we're going to listen to their
new album or toys new album before midday. As well
as that, I'm going to tell you about this new
book about Bill Gates. It's a biography of Bill Gates

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and it just has such a good title. So the
biography is Billionaire Nerd Savior King, the Bill Gates Story.
So we're going to tell you about that book very
shortly as well. Right now it is eight minutes past eleven.
Trying to get you up with our sustainability commentator Kate
Hall killeder what so back in February it was February
a that they introduced the changes to recycling, the standardization

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of recycling around the country, which I think was only
about thirty years too late, Like it just seemed like
one of those incredibly obvious and rational things that they
could have done to make life a little bit easier
so that you didn't have different recycling standards in different
parts of New Zealand. But when they changed, they changed
the recycling standards in February. I reckon a lot of people,

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and I will be on, including people in my household,
might have been a little bit confused about some of
the things that you can and can't recycle anymore. And
I was asking people before eleven o'clock can you recycle
an ice cream container lid? And of course the answer is.

Speaker 18 (01:20:21):
No, you cannot put that on your curb side recycling.
It can be recycled, but you cannot put it in
your curb side.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
I reckon. I reckon. A majority said yes. I think
most people know that you can't recycle a milk bottle lid.
I would hope they do, so you know that one
I reckon. A majority would say you couldn't recycle a
milk bottle lid, and they'd be right there. But I
reckon A majority would say that you could recycle an

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ice cream container lid because it feels like it's made
of the same stuff as the ice cream container itself.
Don't you well.

Speaker 18 (01:20:54):
Totally, and even with milk bottle lids, you can recycle
those lids.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
It's curb side curbside curbs.

Speaker 18 (01:21:03):
And we know the reason why we can't put the
lids in is because you know, those little tiny lids,
if there's hundreds thousands of them, they get caught in
the recycling sorting machines. That's one of the main reasons,
you know, why we can't put lids in there. So
when people look at the ice cream container lid, they're like, well,
that's quite big. Yeah, it's not a little milk bottle

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top lid. However, the sorting machines often mistake those slack
ice can contain the lids with paper, and so they
end up contaminating the paper sauce. So it's less about
you know, what can and can't be recycled, and it's
more we're dealing with a mixed curb side recycling scheme,
which generally isn't that isn't that great? Yeah, but you

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know that's what we're dealing with, and so therefore we
can't put everything into that curb side recycling bend. There
other places that we can put lids.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Fifty five years since we put human beings on the moon, right,
and that's amazing when we've seend like tourists to space.
These days, we have commercial engines going up to the
International Space Station, and yet we apparently can't design a
machine that won't get confused about an iceicream container lid.
I'm there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe I'll make a

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Difference's tricky, but okay. But to your point, I'm being
misleading when I say you can't recycle them, because you
can recycle them, you just can't put them in your
curb side recycling. So what can you do with your
milk bottle lids and your ice cream container lids?

Speaker 18 (01:22:38):
So literally, just in the last week or two, we
now have a cats and lids recycling scheme that the
Packaging Forum have launched, and yeah, it is really good
and I think will actually help a lot of people
go oh, I actually can't put those in the recycling
through have less contamination in the recyclingmentes, which would be awesome.

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So essentially that means at different drop off points, which
are a lot of New Worlds and packing saves, you
can find kind of your focused local place to drop
them off online, but you'll see it often decide where
the soft plastics is. There'll be two other boxes and
one of them will be some metal lids, and one

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of them will be for your plastic lids and so
container lids, milk bottle caps, you know, sprites, coke bottle caps,
anything like that. You can put those lids in if
they are clean and they are dry.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Right, Okay, yeah, that's cool, that's important too. Yeah, right,
So it just means another like sorting system at home.
And I know that, I know that in the hall
household you have all sorts of exquisite and well considered
sorting systems. But for those of us who perhaps haven't
maybe made the kind of progress you have on the
recycling front, what would be an easy way just to

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set up a system at home whereby you're saving these
things and then taking them in.

Speaker 18 (01:23:59):
So we have been recycling our caps and lids since, yeah, forever,
because we've been taking them to our local recycling center.
Now it's just going to be easier because there's more
drop off points. So we have a askam container that
is under the sink and that's where we put all
our lids and so, yeah, any lids, literally, any lids

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that goes on top. No matter what it looks like,
it's made of plastic or messil, we put it into
that container. So just like people do with this soft recycling,
they take it to the supermarket or you know, put
it in your car, and leads are really literally small,
and so to be honest, even though we've been taking
that to the recycling center, I've probably only had to

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do it. I mean, we obviously were trying to try
to reduce all.

Speaker 19 (01:24:47):
Use it.

Speaker 18 (01:24:52):
Not that actually I do have an ice cre but
I've only yeah, we've probably only had to drop that off,
you know, like once. So it's quite good because they asked.
I know that sounds like a big deal to have
another container there. But if you think lids go in
there and you know, put a label on it. If

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you have lots of people in your home, tell them
about this, you know, let them know and let them
know why they shouldn't put it in the recycling because
in the recycling just refresher course number one, two and
five plastics again clean and dry, and if they don't
have a one, two or five, do not wish cycle
them into your recycling. Them is just going to cause havoc.

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And you can put paper in as long as it's
bigger than an envelope kind of rough size. So yeah,
you have one adventure for your recycling, one bene for
your caps and lids, and you can really really good
that they are going to the right place and you're
not kind of yeah, messing up all of all the
recycling systems, especially since you know, we now have this
standardized scheme, which means hopefully we can actually be recycling

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more because our curb side bins aren't so full of
the wrong stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
So okay, I'm just going to reiterate that one more time, one,
two and five. That's what you can recycle and give
us the give us the spiel, give us the line
again on trying not to use the stuff in the
first place, because that's probably the most important message.

Speaker 17 (01:26:17):
Well it is.

Speaker 18 (01:26:18):
I really I'm always user tent to talk about recycling,
to be honest, because people ask me a lot about
it where they say, oh, you'd be so proud of me, Kate,
am I recycled and full, and like, that's great that
we've had these recycling schemes. It's great that we've got
this new caps and lid scheme, But it needs to
be the last resort. So yeah, we need to focus

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on reducing it from get go. You know our return schemes. Actually,
my local New World and Fong Flower they now have
the Ballavaca glass bottle return scheme. So instead of putting
that glass model or you know, a plastic bottle into
your recycling bin, I actually bring that glass bottle back
to New World, pick up the full one, and I

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get six dollars off six bucks. Yeah, because I paid
for six dollars that first one. Yeah, I've paid six
dollars for that right, yeah, the return it yeah, Yeah.
Schemes like that are awesome. So we need to be
focusing on supporting those reduse schemes, thinking about how can
I actually reduce the amount of recycling I have? And yeah,

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using and enjoying the recycling schemes properly, but just holding
less kind of importance on recycling. I think we'd all
do much better off.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Great message as per, Thank you so much, Kate. You
can find Kate of course on all of the social
media platforms to search ethically Kate, and I'm going to
give you that website once again. So this is the
website if you want to find out where you can
go and recycle caps and lids. It's Caps Lids dot
Recycling dot Kiwi dot NZ. And if you don't think
you can remember that you haven't scribbled it down, don't stress.

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We we'll make sure that that website's up on the
news talks. He'd be website as well, so you can
go and follow it through there. It is seventeen minutes
past eleven. Our travel correspondent is going to take us
through North Queensland next Travel.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
With Wendy WU Tours Fully Inclusive Tours around the World.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Travel correspondent is mister Mike Yardley. He's with us this morning,
Kilda Cilder. Jack, Well, we're looking at tropical delights in
North Queensland. This is a gorgeous part of the world
and Ken's is kind of the gateway to the rainforest
and the reef, right, So did you take to the water.

Speaker 20 (01:28:26):
It would be very rude not to take to the
water in these parts, Jack, as you know. So yeah,
what I love about Cairns is it's such a quick
and easy launch pad to the barrier reef. And even
if you're a new bee to the reef, there are
so many easy options from Cairns. So, for example, if
you are traveling as a family and you want to
take a day trip out into the big Blue, I

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would suggest going to Fitzroy Island. So that's only a
forty five minute very right away. You can actually stay
on the island, but it's an awesome day trip because
it just seems to distill all the great elements into
one day. You've got superb walking trails, classic blonde beat,
you've got vivid coral gardens to snork around, teaming with

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tropical fish. And they've even got a turtle rehab center
on the island which essentially services all of the North
Queensland coast, so they'll get like damaged turtles from Cape
York that end up at Fitzroy Island. So yeah, a
really really good island to explore, and like a lot

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of the speckles, these little islands off Shawjack from Ken's.
It just amazes me that before the Last ice Age
they were actually connected to the mainland, So fitz Roy
was basically Ken's East ten thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Years ago, right, that makes sense. I guess if you
look at the map of the North Queensland cost Yes,
so if you had about further north in north of
Kean's why is Palm Cove so popular?

Speaker 20 (01:29:55):
Well, I think there is a hint of HAWAIII to
Palm Cove. There's just very tail in terms of vacation beauty.
So it's about half an hour up the Captain Cook Highway.
And so if you're trucking up to Port Douglas, just
calling to Palm Cove, which is just off the highway,

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and it is just so leafy, so languid, stretched along
the coral sea. And I've got all of these gorgeous
old paper bark mela luca trees flanking the beach front.
Then I've got a few waving palms interspersed. But there's
just this really nice shaded village at moss about Palm Cove,

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as I say, very reminiscent of some of Hawaii's beachside villages.
And there's just some you know, little casual eteries and
cafes dotted through the trees. It's just lazy day heaven,
I reckon Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Nice. If you're up for an indigenous experience, what can
you expect at most and gorge?

Speaker 20 (01:30:55):
This was my runaway highlight. I joined a dream time
walk with a cuckoo yalongy guide called Ben. He was
twenty years old, and oh my god, he had the
wisdom of a ninety year old. So we rocked into
the rainforest and Ben just prized open all the secrets,
the food sauce, to the pharmacy, the hardware store inside

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the rainforest. It was just mind blowing. Best of all,
we passed by some enormous strangler fig trees and I
could tell Ben was getting sort of quite spiritual as
he was looking at these trees. And he said to
me that when he dies, he's going to be buried
under that tree, and he pointed to a particular tree.

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And apparently, after his body's placed at the bottom of
the tree, the figs, the strangler figs, will sort of
weave their magic. The vines will wrap around his body
and can consumers remains and return them to the earth
as you do. The other thing, Jack, is that Ben
said to me that on Fraser Island the traditional burial

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still practiced today. There entails putting the body high up
in the tree because otherwise the dingoes will get to them. Wow,
which would not be a good way to go. No,
then there are the bouncing stones. Have you heard about
these bouncing stones? No, so Cuckoo Yellonge They've got these

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legendary bouncing stones and as been demonstrated to me, they
do bounce off each other like bouncing balls.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
It's just wacky.

Speaker 20 (01:32:28):
Yeah. And many of them are sourced from a beach
called Thornton Beach. Some are stolen because this is like
sacred terf for Cuckoo Yellongy and most that are stolen
generally are returned toward off bad luck. But they are
a geological phenomenon. So these stones have been studied by academics.
They're as big as rugby balls, but they're actually classified

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as pebbles. They're very fine grained pebbles and the geologists
say that it's hardened silica celtstone. But they've got this
incredible bouncing quality, quite wacking.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
That sounds amazing. Yeah, what an experience that's out. So
it sounds really incredible. Okay. Yeah, Now chocolate production is
big business in North Queensland, right, very quick.

Speaker 20 (01:33:13):
Mention about this, Jack. Yes, chocolate fans rejoice because the
region around Mossman Port, Douglas Daintree Rainforest it's become a
punkhouse producer of Australian cocoa and there are various commercial plantations,
all engaged in the bean tabar, chocolate making bizo. So
in the Shannonvale Valley, which is just north of Port Douglas,

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you can go to the Australian Chocolate Farm and they
give you the most amazing and very generous farmed her
and tasting experience. Oh yeah, so that's the list.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Definitely, No, that sounds good. And speaking of treats, what
about tropical fruit wine.

Speaker 20 (01:33:48):
Well, it's in a quiet taste admittedly, but worth a devil.
So also in the shannon Vale Valley there is the
Tropical Fruit Winery and the Woodall family have been running
this for about twenty years or so. I sipped and
swirled my way through all sorts of interesting flavors like
mango wine, lime passion, fruit ginger, even a fortified chocolate wine.

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But the best one of all was a particular flavor
I had never come across. It's called Jawbo chaca bar.
And if it sounds Amazonian, that's because it is. It's
an Amazonian great Jaobo chaca bar. And the reason they
growing this in shannon Vale is because it's the only reliable,

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red sort of tasting wine that they could produce in
the area. So yeah, very very interesting taste. By the way,
the passion fruit, it's kind of like a semion. It's
really interesting, very dry, full flavored, really good with cheese.
And the dry mango wine. If you're a Shardona drinker,

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you will love the dry mango. So yeah, something certainly
worth Deblin.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
So is it quite dry? See this is when you
hear those fruits, right, passion fruit, mango, and automatically I
think all that sounds pretty sticky. It sounds kind of syrupy.

Speaker 20 (01:35:08):
No. No, Through the production process, yeah, they do become
generally drier than you'd think.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
I reckon that could be a bit of me. What
about standout eateries.

Speaker 20 (01:35:20):
Two recommendations in Cairn's. I went to a place called
Salt House, which is on the Arena Points, so as
the name would suggest, you get mouthwatering views. I have
these halfshell roasted Queensland scallops which were just tubo charged
with what they were accompanied with curry sauce, pineapple relish

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my newfound favorite in Vietnamese mint. That all together with
scollops and that's really good, and wash it down with
the Flying Fox cocktail, which was the drink of the
trip check and by the way, in Paul Douglas, I
went to a restaurant called Sea Bean. Very Mediterranean leaning,
but I ate something I had never tried before. I

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don't know if you've had it. Palestinian kofta.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Oh okay, yeah, I think I probably have to be honest.

Speaker 20 (01:36:08):
Was it lamb yes, so yeah, like baked lamb meat petty?

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Yeah yeah, And and they're sort of like halfway between
a petty and a meatball. Ah exactly.

Speaker 20 (01:36:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll layer them with vegetables and hamas
and tabuuli. Oh my god, it's so good. The amazing
thing is, Jack, I never realized food could become so politicized.
Apparently this restaurants had protesters outside, but daring to put
something Palestinian on the menu.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
For goodness sake, that is ridiculous. Having spent a little
bit of time in that part of the world, I mean,
this is what makes that part of the world so
good is all of those cultures have mixed. Surely anyway, Yeah,
well that sounds that sounds amazing. Okay, Hey, thank you
so much, Mike. We'll put all of your tips for
indulging your way through North Queensland up on the News Talks.

(01:37:01):
He'd be website, don't forget Before midday we're going to
have a listen to Waves, which is the new album
from Wellington Muso's Toy. We'll have your book picks for
this weekend as well, including this new one Billionaire Nerd
Savior King. It's a biography of Bill Gates and I
reckons that is really interesting, so i'll tell you a
bit more about that shortly. Just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:37:22):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks B.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
New Talks. You're Jack Tame Just after eleven thirty. Quite
week for the food fighters say the super quiet weak,
just super Dave Groll nothing going on at the moment,
just very absolutely nothing, just keeping his nose out of
the news, which I think is it After midday a
man who couldn't ever be further from scandal. Jason Pine

(01:38:13):
will be behind the mic with Weekends for how you
do exert Very well, thank you Jack. A bit of
a funny old weekend day with from in a sporting sceense.
All Black's not playing. We've got a bit of NPC
which is exciting enough but yeah, no worries to speak
of course this time, at this time of year. The
Black Ferns playing at twicken and one point thirty tomorrow

(01:38:34):
morning though, and fifty thousand tickets apparently have been so
amazing awesome, so good, so good.

Speaker 21 (01:38:40):
Yeah, and that could go up to it'd be great
if they could get somewhere up towards the sixty or
even beyond. Yeah, you know, and great scenes during the
week with King Charles. We've all seen the footage. Ement's
gone viral, as they say, But ye know, they continue
to lead the way as far as authenticity is concerned. Yeah,
looking forward to to seeing how they go against England tomorrow. Yeah,

(01:39:00):
you're right, ye know, all black some and I'm just
trying to David Nika tonight. Yeah, David Nikas, I'm just
dream my sums. They do play next week to Australia. Yeah,
next week and then the following year. Yeah, David Nika tonight.
Apparently he's not going to walk out to about eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
That's late, as are they always do this? Yeah, they
always do this with boxing. Don't they know that some
of us have to get up early on exactly right? Oh,
for goodness sake. I mean, yeah, that is I mean
fair enough. And look, he's obviously that there's a lot
of hype around David Nika. He is an amazing boxer,
was amazing through the amateur ranks. He's had a lot

(01:39:32):
of success in his early stages as a professional. Although
a little bit of a damner that you know that
his opponent tonight isn't the one who was initially planned.
What are you expecting? I think he's going to smash him?

Speaker 21 (01:39:44):
Yeah, I think I think if he walks out at
eleven and they start boxing at eleven oh two, it's
probably done by eleven O four is That's how it
feels to me. And you know, I guess we'll find
it more about David Nika as his professional career continues.
You're right, Amma, today's you know, a couple of Commonwealth Games,
gold medals, are Olympic bronze done all he can extremely
good looking for a boxer. I have to say, yeah,

(01:40:05):
it hasn't taken a lot of but now looking forward
to seeing how he goes. Also looking forward this afternoon
between one and two to welcoming in Stacy Jones's going
He's going to be in this very studio for an
hour between one and two going to take calls.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
He's the Keywis coach of course.

Speaker 21 (01:40:20):
That put upcoming games against Australia and Tonga. He's just
finished the review of the Warrior season. He would love
to have been playing this weekend obviously, or have the
Warriors playing in the top eight, not to be what
also just unpack it a little bit of his playing
correct because what a player Jack, I mean, probably our
best ever I would say, arguably our best ever rugby
league player.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
I think so. I think that's a I think, yeah,
I think yeah, Mark Graham Yeah, but no, but yeah, no,
I reckon, I reckon. Stacy Jones, the little General would be,
would be right up there and one of those guys
who kind of you know, you look at him and
you think, you know, in such a physical and brutal sport,
isn't it wonderful that someone of his, you know, of
his size and stature could dominate the game and the

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way he did. Yah, So we'll talk to Stacy Jones.

Speaker 21 (01:41:04):
Yeah, between between one and two live and studio Super
Rugby format, New one, Lucky Losers and all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Sorts of things. Yeah, a little bit difficult to unpack.
I saw the top line of the top six instead
of top eight. That's good because remember last season, how
it was just ridiculous how we were like, well the
had the greatest fan We're like, well they won about
one game of the season, but they're still in the
run the top eight. But then this lucky loser thing, like,
h it's just a bit hard to explain. It's lover

(01:41:33):
the top four. Yeah, well there is that.

Speaker 21 (01:41:34):
I guess what that does is exactly what you just said.
It takes a lot of teams and their fans out
of the running in the last two or three because
of the season. If you've still got a chance, but
if there's going to be a top six, check I
much prefer the one and two, get the buy three,
place six, four, place five, and then for sure, that's easy.
I just explained that to you in six seconds. The
lucky loser is hard to explain because that loser loses

(01:41:56):
a seeding place in the semi finals.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
People are already going, what what do you mean?

Speaker 21 (01:42:01):
You know it's there, like, if you finish top you're
guaranteed a semi final, even if he gets in the
first wee yes, So that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
It rewards you, It.

Speaker 21 (01:42:10):
Rewards you for finishing top. But yeah, anyway, there's a
bit to unpack there and this whole Yipka clim Kova
thing from yesterday Cone of Silence from New Zealand Football yesterday. However,
they have said that they will make available their CEO
Andrew Pragnell this afternoon. Okay, he's going to chat to
us after two about what has played out here. It's
a very curious and drawn out saga which still has

(01:42:31):
a few unanswered questions for me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Yeah, very good, Okay, looking forward to that. Thank you, sir,
Jason Pine behind the mic Stacy Jones live with them
in studio from one o'clock and taking your calls this afternoon.
Pony In Weekend Sport will be underway right after the
midday news before midday that new album from Toy the
Wellington Muso's next up. We'll have your book picks for
this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack, Tay and bepurured on codet
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Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
eNB twenty to twelve on News Talks. He'd be Kathy
Rains has our book picks for this weekend and it's
with us now.

Speaker 11 (01:43:07):
Morning Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Okay, let's begin this morning with Precipice by Robert Harris.

Speaker 19 (01:43:12):
So this novel is based on the original love letters
between then British Prime Minister has Asquith and Vanicia Stanley.
So you get this very intimate insight into their love
affair because the letters weren't only about love but also
and trust. But they actually board it on treason, as
their correspondence took place during World War One. And so
the book itself begins in the summer of nineteen fourteen

(01:43:35):
and in London, twenty six year old Vanicia Stanley is
part of this group of very aristocratic young people who
like to party, but she has the secret she's having
an affair with Asquith, and he's married, he's in his
early sixties, and they write to each other constantly, three
times a day. And then as the wardrobe draws closer,
he starts to share some incredibly sensitive information with her

(01:43:56):
and top secret documents from various sources, including Believe it
or Not, government bastal plans, and eventually they the British
government wants to work out where these leaks are coming
from the sky Podema is tasked with finding the source
of it, and he discovers this, this love affair and
this obsessive nature of Asquith in their relationship, and of
course it's a matter of national security. And so what

(01:44:17):
you have is this book that's a mix of fact
and fiction because Harris uses the actual letters and telegrams
Athquests and Vanetia sent to each other, and so you
can see him constantly being distracted from the office of
Prime Minister in some yeah, it's just as a bizarre
and almost unbelievable story. And the letters from Asquith at
his actual words, hers are invented because he destroyed her correspondence,

(01:44:41):
and just this anonymity that he manages to do things
around things. You know, he walks around unrecognized, and he
rarely seems to realize that he's out of his depth
his role of Prime Minister, and his wife Margo seems
to be the really strong, ambitious one in the relationship,
and you know he comes to this role is through
her networking.

Speaker 11 (01:44:59):
And Vanessia herself is very interesting. She's clearly intelligent.

Speaker 19 (01:45:02):
She's bored, she wants to she's of the lifestyle that
she's living. And so the beginning of this affair is
she's able to use her mind and she seems to
enjoy her stuff at the start, but it's changed.

Speaker 9 (01:45:12):
Here.

Speaker 11 (01:45:12):
Fascinating read and glimpse into history.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Great. Okay, so it's a novel, but it sounds.

Speaker 19 (01:45:16):
Yeah, based on those historical documents.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So that's Precipice by Robert Harris. I'm
excited about your next book, Billionaire Nerd Savior King Bill
Gates in his Quest to Shape Our World by anupri
to Darce.

Speaker 19 (01:45:31):
So dars is the finance eder of the New York Times.
So she's clearly had a bit to do with Bill
Gates overline, and so she looks at a more holistic
story than just him. So money and government and wealth
and power and media and image. You know, the fortunes
of the richest people in the world. And with wealth,
of course comes great power. And often in our society,

(01:45:51):
billionaires have found their way around, you know, years of
systems of democratic oversight. Really they dodged tax has been
politics and create monopolies.

Speaker 11 (01:45:59):
And yeah, it's fascinating.

Speaker 19 (01:46:01):
So she starts with him in nineteen seventy five as
a young man with his school friend Paul Allen writing
the first loads of code for the company we all
know now as Microsoft, and that blooms and talks about
Gates as America's youngest billionaire at thirty one, focused probably
a little bit too much on how nerdy he is.

Speaker 11 (01:46:21):
But then as.

Speaker 19 (01:46:22):
Microsoft competition starts to grow and he excludes products from
software platforms. And then there's the anti trust legislation in
the States in the nineties that's used against Microsoft, so
he starts to move away from the country a company sorry,
and then him and his wife Melinda decide to launch
the Gates Foundation, and they apply a lot of data

(01:46:44):
and results same practices which he excelled at in Microsoft.
And it's quite interesting as he pledges other billionaires to
PLEDs money and this light massive, fullan troffic enterprise and
they have prevented millions of deaths, you know, billions of
dollars into fighting AIDS and tuberculosis and their vaccine alliance
which has vaccinated almost half of the world's children.

Speaker 11 (01:47:04):
But it also talks about as other taxx like.

Speaker 19 (01:47:06):
Jeffrey Epstein when in twenty nineteen he admitted that he
had met him on several occasions, and he said that
he was introduced to them by the aim of raising
funds for his foundation.

Speaker 11 (01:47:17):
So it varies, you.

Speaker 19 (01:47:18):
Know, but it also talks about his other contemporaries like
Warren Buffet and the public perception of billionaires. But it
varies away from being a typical biography and interviews people
very much on the fringes of gates life and so
he gets a very different viewpoint of him. And yeah,
I doesn't read as a typical biography, and it jumps
around and talks about him and his wife as ex
wife now and early life and contemporary so it's quite

(01:47:40):
an interesting viewpoint and to the world of a billionaire.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Ah, sounds so good. Great, thank you Catherine. Okay, that's
Billionaire Nerds Savior King Bill Gates Enters Quest to Shape
Our World And Catherine's first book is Precipice. That one's
by Robert Harris. Both of those will be up on
the news talks.

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Speaker 7 (01:48:04):
News talks'd be a feel.

Speaker 12 (01:48:11):
This.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
So this.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
Is Toy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
The album is Waves, and this song is called Sober.
Our music reviewer Stelle Clifford's been listening Kilder.

Speaker 22 (01:48:43):
Wondering that's the album I needed. This is cool, Yeah,
and Sober is.

Speaker 15 (01:48:48):
Probably it's got that kind of minor key darkness about it,
but it's probably the only song that really goes to
that kind of space.

Speaker 22 (01:48:56):
Yeah, Right, I think for Toy because they're.

Speaker 15 (01:48:58):
Quite known for that dub funk soul sound for a
lot of it, the tracks have that really more upbeat,
positive groove, which Sober still has. But I like it
because they're sort of going into a place where, you know,
sometimes you go to a darkness and you're like all
trying to get back on the right page. And it's
sort of got a murky kind of dubness about it,

(01:49:19):
and I think it's nice to see them branch away
from just the sunny the sunny kind of songs.

Speaker 22 (01:49:25):
Yeah, this album's kind of interesting because they have done
it in.

Speaker 15 (01:49:28):
A way where if you can, for a first few listens,
go from start to finish, that concept album where all
the songs kind of connect to each other as you
listening to the flow of it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Right.

Speaker 22 (01:49:40):
The album opener Temata, which is the garden.

Speaker 15 (01:49:43):
It's actually the name of their home studio, which is
based in one of their gardens of course.

Speaker 22 (01:49:49):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:49:50):
And it's beautiful because it's got the sounds of birds
and then suddenly this urban sort of soundscape moves into
the electronic and then it opens up into the beautiful
funk dubs thing that they kind of do, and they
shed a little video and it's really great because they're
in the studio and then the dogs and the kids
are in the paddling pool straight outside, and I think
it's shown a real evolution of them as well, like

(01:50:11):
as life changes and grows, you can't escape that, so
you just have to include it in your album. Sure, yeah,
And I think that's what these.

Speaker 22 (01:50:18):
Guys are really.

Speaker 15 (01:50:19):
They're really good at they're really taking a soundscape and
it's really nice to hear that.

Speaker 22 (01:50:25):
I kind of go do many overseas.

Speaker 15 (01:50:27):
Bands do that thing where you can record the twoi'es
out in your trees no yeah, right, and then make
it part.

Speaker 22 (01:50:33):
Of your funk soul album.

Speaker 15 (01:50:35):
I just I just think that's really I don't know,
it's cool, Mahi for me to hear that and then
know that that then can go to a bigger world stage,
you know, to hear that. Yeah, and they are they
are good. They're good at making these soundscapes. It made
me feel excited for summer and warmer weather. For those
in the Deep South who are going, oh, were ever
going to have that? This might be the album that
helps you feel.

Speaker 22 (01:50:55):
That you lotuallyether to embrace that.

Speaker 12 (01:50:58):
There's some real.

Speaker 15 (01:50:59):
Super funky, cool licks on this Again, they've been quite experimental.
They've always got that big brass section where which again
you know, it always sounds amazing unrecorded albums, but I
think it speaks volumes for the fact that these are
the kinds of bands you want to see live, because
all of that just comes to such.

Speaker 22 (01:51:17):
A bigger fruition on the live stage.

Speaker 15 (01:51:20):
A couple of interlude tracks in this album, which sometimes
a hit or miss for me when you get those
little bits in between the big songs.

Speaker 22 (01:51:27):
But there's one called Sunday and it.

Speaker 15 (01:51:29):
Has this real crackling static reverbs that have start and
you're like, whoa, that's like it's quite harsh in some
sort of ways with the rest of it, but then
it opens up into this dreamy Sunday haze and again
really shows off their brass.

Speaker 22 (01:51:44):
Section that they have in their band, which I.

Speaker 15 (01:51:46):
Think again shows them playing a little bit more with
what they can do, because they're all really talented musicians.

Speaker 22 (01:51:53):
So I feel like they've hit.

Speaker 15 (01:51:54):
This album in the garden and is really played with
some of those layers that they do and how to
bring that all together.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Sounds very sound scapy as well.

Speaker 15 (01:52:03):
It sounds scapy, yeah, and again to hear that layering
and then sometimes electronic or just that full on bass
kind of groove sound that they get, it's playful and
it's clever, and I really like to hear.

Speaker 22 (01:52:16):
That evolution of what they're doing with their music.

Speaker 15 (01:52:19):
They're going to be showcasing this album at MEOO and
Wellington next week on the twentieth cool, So if you
get a chance to see them, and I wouldn't be surprised,
I would assume making big assumption to please that you'll
be on the summer festival list somewhere right like when
the new album that speaks to summer surely. Also, if
you haven't seen it yet, definitely go into some of
their social media because they show you Timata their studio

(01:52:42):
and the beautiful place they record. They share some stories
behind the scenes of the songs. There's also the video
of the song they did for the New Zealand Olympic team. Right,
so they actually recorded a song, ain't just dreaming?

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Well they got the Olympians singing, right, that's right, Max.

Speaker 22 (01:52:58):
Brown and Elise Andrew.

Speaker 15 (01:53:00):
Because I was like when I said that it featured them,
I was like, oh, just the video, right, But actually
they are there in the studio doing some of the
chorus stuff out.

Speaker 9 (01:53:11):
It was really cool.

Speaker 15 (01:53:12):
But they won some medals, So maybe more of our
Olympians need to get into the studio before they go
and compete.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Try their hands another thing. Yeah, oh very good. So
what'd you give it?

Speaker 22 (01:53:21):
Yeah, it's a great lesson. I'm going to give it.

Speaker 15 (01:53:25):
I hate this, but I'm going to give it a
nine out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Okay, nine out of ten. Fantastic. That's pretty there's very high.

Speaker 22 (01:53:32):
That's a great listen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Yeah, I don't understand it. Yeah, and I will pelling.

Speaker 22 (01:53:36):
Off the layers. I feel like this is the album
to soak in.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Ye artists too, you know, all right, we'll have more
of a listen to a couple of minutes. Thank you, Stelle.
There is a Stele comfort. She's our music reviewer. Nine
out of teen Churickins waves new album from toy is Worth.
We'll have a bit more of a listening a few
minutes Age twelve.

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Until then, we're gonna leave you with the new album
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