Full Show Podcast: 16 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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And New Zealand. Good morning, Welcome to News Talk's ed V.
Jack Tam with you through to twelve o'clock today. As
we go to air this morning history in Alaska, US
President Donald Trump has welcomed Russia's President Vladimir Putin. In
the last ninety minutes or so, Trump and Putin both
arrived on their private planes. They laid out a litteral

(01:06):
red carpet. Trump stood there with his red tie, arm
out stretched, greeted Vladimir with a big smile. Welcome to America.
The two presidents walked towards the waiting media and the motorcade.
Just as they got with an airshot of the reporters,
who were all, of course, like desperately screaming questions. There
was this incredible flyover, this flex of US strength. A

(01:28):
B two stealth bomber, you know those really ominous dark
looking jets, the one that they used to drop the
bunker buster bomb on Iran. One of those was flying
in the middle of the flyover, they had four F
thirty five surrounding it together. The five planes flew over
at a really low altitude slowly before Vladimir Putin and

(01:49):
Donald Trump jumped in a limousine together and headed off
for the beginning of their talk. So who knows how
it's going to go over the next few hours. I mean,
wouldn't it be incredible of sometime today we were announcing
a ceasefire in Ukraine, although I know a lot of
analysts aren't feeling super optimistic about that, but look, we're
open minded, so we will see how that goes. And
of course, the moment there is any update from those

(02:14):
high level meetings between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin in Alaska,
you will be the first to know this morning, as
well as that we have a fantastic feature for you
after ten o'clock. Can't wait for this. Joey Santiago, the
rock star with maybe the most rock star name, is
going to be with us. He is, of course the
lead guitarist for Pixies, who are making their way back
to New Zealand with two very different shows. So Joey's

(02:37):
going to be with us after ten this morning. Can't
wait for that right now, it's nine minutes past nine Jack.
You know what, in principle, I think we are all
best served by transparency in government. I think leaders should
be accountable for their decisions, and they should be willing
to take our questions, and they should answer them in

(02:58):
a public format. It is after all, it is my job.
It is what I do. So probably not a great surprise,
I feel that way. That being said, it's pretty clear
to me the COVID Inquiry has fallen victim to some
bad and even cynical design shaped by politics, rather than

(03:19):
a sincere desire to get a full and comprehensive accounting
of our response. And it's a shame. It really is
a shame because I think actually it threatens to undermine
some of the inquiriy's more useful conclusions. In a way,
it is a bit of a missed opportunity. So in
my view, there's plenty of blame to go around. I
reckon the first phase of the COVID Inquiry, which was

(03:42):
of course introduced by the last government. I reckon that
missed some critical elements in its terms of reference. There
was the stuff around monetary policy, the role of the
Reserve Bank, There was a little bit of that in
the inquiry's conclusions, but I think it should have been
included more comprehensively in the terms of reference. But worst
of all was the decision not to include vaccine efficacy

(04:07):
for something so fundamental to the response and so important
to some New Zealander is that they were willing to
lose relationships, jobs, and livelihoods over it. I think the
effectiveness of vaccines and whatever slim risk they carried should
have been included. And I think the fact that was
missing from the first stage of the COVID inquiry, I

(04:30):
think that is a real shame. In principle, I supported
expanding the inquiry until I saw the refreshed terms of reference.
If it was to be a sincere effort, a truly
sincere effort to consider our COVID response, the good calls
and the bad calls, in order to move forward and
to better prepare for the next pandemic shock, how could

(04:53):
you leave out the first year of the response. Come on, Sure,
much of the second phase of the inquiry has focused
on vaccines, but it also focused on lockdowns and control measures.
And if you really cared about our COVID response, you
would start that line of inquiry with I don't know

(05:13):
the start of the pandemic, rather than starting at fourteen
months on. Don't you think to exclude the period when
it wasn't just labor and government and to exclude what
with time have probably proved to be the more popular
components of the government's response. I think was disingenuous and cynical.

(05:35):
The COVID nineteen response was vast. It was just incredibly complex,
right and all these years on it it's almost impossible
to unpick every decision because you have to try and
separate the information we have now with the information we
had at the time. I don't know about you, but
COVID to me is just weird blur. I find it

(05:57):
incredibly difficult in my own mind and memories to distinguish
between really big events. Was it this lockdown? Was it
that lockdown? I'm not too sure. The virus has cast
a long shadow in New Zealand, though our response undoubtedly
saved a lot of lives, but it wasn't without its costs.
The pandemic might have been over ages ago, but the

(06:18):
economic and social impact endure. And one thing I would
add to the Royal Commission's conclusions thus far is that
next time, I think we need to find a better
respectful way to hear and consider dissenting views. Media obviously
plays a critical role in this, But although I think

(06:40):
we did a reasonable job last time, I reckon next
time is going to be so much more difficult. Depending
on the circumstances. It may not massively change government policy
or the public health response. We don't know, but given
the conspiratorial nature of the fringiest elements, it may honestly

(07:03):
be an impossible task. Nevertheless, I just think one of
the key lessons from the COVID years is that somehow
making people feel heard and respected instead of ostracized is
a vital part in preventing the worst of the societal
division that still afflicts us years on. Jack Tame two

(07:25):
ninety two is our text number this morning before ten o'clock.
If you're looking to put something indisputably good in your
body this weekend, Oh my goodness, we have the recipe
for you, an orange and caramel custard filled crepe yum seasonal,
sweet and delicious. We're going to tell you about a
new film as well, with Bill Murray and Knowaomi. What's it?
Sounds like a little bit of fun. Hayden Jones isn't

(07:46):
to kick us off next right now. It's fourteen minutes
past night. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning, and this
is News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
News Talks V. Thank you your text, Colin.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
Says Jackie.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
So right, Jack, regarding your comments on cod of It.
As far as I'm concerned, the media did an awful job. Look,
I don't think anyone did a perfect job any any
kind of institution. I think the media is kind of
a broad the scriptor for us, but any institution did
a perfect job. I think the media largely did a
good job, but I think there are lessons for us

(08:24):
as well. And that's why I say I think I
think for next time, we're just it's very difficult. But
trying to find a respectful, appropriate platform for descending views
to be heard and to be aired, I think is vital,
and I think the media plays a really important role
in that. Ninety two ninety two. If you want to
send us a message this morning, it's eighteen minutes past nine.

(08:45):
Hayden Jones is pitch side this morning. He is coaching
his son's football team, just paying us a picture hater.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well, it's a little all tough Gamest Boys High under
fifteen Derby. It's black versus white. Okay, it's orange.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yep, yes, are we supporting black or orange?

Speaker 6 (09:04):
No, we're black. We're coaching black. Right, So we've had
a good season. I think in regards to that last texture,
it's not the media's soul. It's just your hot jet.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Everything's my fault.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
How have you been as I live.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
It's been a few years and it has it's great
to it's great to hear your voice. It's been far
too long. Heavin Melner is taking a well earned break
and thankfully, well yeah, and thankfully when you're just the
man to call. Although obviously you are pretty busy on
Saturday mornings because you you're a coach, right, yes, yeah, right, okay.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Just about to make a sub Oh okay, hold on
good day.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Good day, Yeah, very good. No, that's right. So something's
taken your your You piqued your interest this week and
picked your concern rather. I mean, you were there giving
up your time supporting your son's team. But it turns
out a whole lot fewer Kiwis are supporting their local
sports clubs and just a couple of years ago.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Yeah, I find that amazing and like baffling and troubling.
Could sports club fishing small communities that you know, they're
the fabric of our community. They keep us all together
and there the hub so and a lot of them
as you see these days you go from club to club.
They are you know, run and managed by the one
or two hard working, passionate people. And I don't know,

(10:24):
people say that busy. Don't know, they say, oh, I'm busy.
I've got work life balance, this sort of thing. But
if we just took maybe you know, twenty percent less
time scrolling Instagram, we would have that time in our
lives to donate. And it is it's not even giving
you the time because it's so much fun. Especially I
don't know. I guess my passion moment is coaching kids sport.
Like as a parent, you've got to get your kids

(10:45):
to this game anyway. I've got to be quiet. I's
got a lot of parents beside me on the sideline.
But you've got to take your kid to the game anyway.
You got to get there. But it's like you've gone
ninety five percent of the way, you're on the sideline.
You've just got to do extra five, just bought two
meters forward and then just yell occasionally. It's not hurting care.
You don't need to know anything about the game. You're
coaching this h at the little age. You just got

(11:06):
to get them there and make it fun. Give them
some inches at halftime. Yeah, and whatever you don't know,
YouTube will provide.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I think that's such a good message. So they reckon that.
I Compared to five years ago, clubs in New Zealand
have less than half the number of volunteers they had,
which is crazy. I suppose that COVID probably has played
some role in that. But like you say, you know,
for parents who are going to support their kids at
the weekend, you're there. Anyway, You've made that, you've made
the effort. You just have to go that one step further.

(11:35):
But but how do you find it hater? Because I
know that, having having been on a football per a
few times over the go no, no, this is that
That answers my question. I was going to say, how
like describe your coaching style to us? How are you
as a sideline parent.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Oh, well, have you seen kid less? I'm a bit
of a tid less, a huge as give. I think
it depends on the age, but I've got the moment
coaching fourteen and fifteen year old boys. So I do
I do? Can maild here? Drawing down again? Right? He
draw a football term for you know, bit of a
rack up. Yeah, while we showed up this morning and
we've got to get the nets out and put them up,

(12:10):
and there's like, you know, fifteen boys sitting there and
not doing anything for ten minutes while the two boys
put the nets up, and so you know, you just
got to generally remind them that the game doesn't start
until the nets run, so you know, we've all got
to work together. Yeah, but I think I think for pearings,
coaching kids is actually, as we secret, it's actually a
great way to figure out who your son or daughter

(12:32):
is hanging out with because you get to spend a
whole lot of time because they will go to school
and you don't see them much. You know, see them
the lunchtime. You don't really know what's going on at school.
But by coaching a team, you get to know all
the personalities of all their buddies and you kind of
figure out who's coming home for playdates and who's not.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, that's got really good point. Actually, yeah you can
because you sort of see you learn a lot about
character on a sports You learn a lot about character,
and all of a sudden you can go, you know what,
I want my kid hanging out a little bit more
with this one and maybe a little bit less with
this one. Yeah, I'm sure that everyone in Team Black

(13:06):
New Plumouth boys highs and credit of the absolute highest
character standards possible. But you know what I mean, Ah.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
They're great. They're great characters. Then you really get to
know and you give them lots of grief and they
give it back. Spisio that its because I've got more robust.
I've also been managing slash coaching. My daughter's the second
or even at Sacred Heart Girls College, and that's like
sixteen and seventeen year old girls' I don't have the
instruction meaning for that, but I've found they also loved
a bit of joshing. If you pick up a hockey
stick sometimes and give them a little tap in the
back of the legs, you know, I just have fun

(13:33):
with them. They're really into it and they just they
just love to play it. It's the same sort of thing.
They just want to get started, to get going, chase
a ball and have fun. You know, there is that
Like the fourteen year old boys I've got now, I
think three quarters of them think they're going to make
deal White for at least the English Premier League. Yeah,
so that's great, But I think my six and seventeen
they're realistic and they really love time with their friends.

(13:56):
It's a good day out. You go down to strap
for yourself of the metaist theory for some hot chips.
I've got a large array of heat heat lamps with
deep right assortments, so you know, it's a great day.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Yeah, it sounds like so much fun. So half far
through with your game? How far through the game are we?

Speaker 6 (14:12):
We're coming up to half time. Hold on, Tommy, Tommy,
get on the next break, So I just got to
make it rolling.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
What's the deal?

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Yeah, Koby, Kobe and Central mid very good. Hold on, Yeah,
I can't do.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
You go and do that. You deal with Kobe. You
go and deal with Kobe and and Tommy. We'll be
wishing you the best. Make sure you see me a
text to let us know how the second half goes.
We'll be backing Black all the way.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
Well, I assume the sports department will be bringing me.

Speaker 7 (14:41):
Score up.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, that ten o'clock will
have Well, we'll leave with you and the Warriors, and
they're incredible. When last night can come and second a
close second. Yeah all right, Hey, good on, enjoy the game.
We'll catch you again very soon. Hayden Joan's sideline for
us this morning on News Talks. He'd be thank you
so much for your text this morning.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
Jack.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
As far as I'm concerned, the previous government, we're happy
to preach at us every day from the podium of truth.
Interesting that they're not willing to have the same level
of scrutiny now, I mean, I just yeah, I think
in principle, decision makers should be willing to appear before
the public, especially for you know, for big things like this.

(15:23):
I would feel much more strongly if they were refusing
to appear before in public for a COVID inquiry whose
terms of reference began at the start of the pandemic
rather than a year and a half into the pandemic,
or you know, conveniently after an election that excluded the

(15:44):
period of which the COVID response was also being led
by another political party. Anyway, ninety two ninety two. If
you want to send us a messages this morning, right now,
it's twenty five past nine on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Twenty eight minutes past nine on News Talk's EDB before
ten o'clock. We got your film picks for this weekend,
including this film that just has such a good name.
The name alone is going to lure me. And it's
called Jane Austen Wrecked My Life. So yeah, I'm looking forward. Actually,
it's probably something that our next guest relates to very well.
Andrew Savalas sport I was here this morning. Was Jane
Austin done for you? Sav?

Speaker 8 (16:29):
No, I don't think I was a huge unless I
was forced to at school.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Maybe see you as a sort of a mister Darcy type.

Speaker 8 (16:37):
And we did read very old books way back when
Jack ya Hey.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Remarkable turnaround in the end, stressful last ten minutes. Soon,
my goodness.

Speaker 8 (16:49):
The players and coaches would rather win easier than that.
But for the fans at the at the stadium and
for people watching, Gee whiz, what an exciting finish. The
Dragons butchered it in the end. They ran almost the
length of the field and I think it was the
hooker who knocked it on. But they would eight ten
down at one stage. The Warriors all are down most.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Of the game.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
Yeah, and then they go on to win fourteen to ten.
And as I say, it looked like the Dragons would
take it to golden point extra time. But good on
the Worries. You know they've been through the ringer with injuries.
They were missing more players last night. And let's let's
not forget jack. At this time of the year, for

(17:30):
any team's ranked force down to about tenth or eleventh,
all these games are pretty much knockout games from here
on in. There's there's there's three regular season games to
go for the Worries. They win another one of those,
I think that they should still make the top four.
Not easy games though, so, but that is a big,
big confidence boost last night.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
This time tomorrow morning, we will be twenty minutes in
to the All Blacks and the Pumas. How are you
feeling about it?

Speaker 8 (18:01):
Excuse me a little bit nervy normally because of what
happened in Wellington last year and the Argentinians won. I
think usually you'd go into the start of the Rugby
Championship in Argentina with a fair amount of confidence. I
think the All Blacks need to play a heck of
a lot better than they did against France. They put

(18:22):
the pretty good team. A big big morning for Cortes
Ratima from the chiefs to half back. Also another big
morning for Duples c CARRIFFI, who I think has been
an outstanding flank of the Canes for a number of years.
It's great to see him starting a Test match in
seven and showing us what he can do at that level.

(18:43):
But Jack, what's going to happen, I think is it'll
be a real rip snorter of a start. The Argentinians
will try to slow the ball down like the French
did and just muck up the All Blacks ball at breakdown.
So it's up to the All Black forwards to really
try and dominate in that area. For the All Blacks
to get the quick ball which they're after, they could
end up getting frustrated being frustrated by the Argentinians. They

(19:06):
need to really stamp the mark early the all Blacks
to to fend off the Argentinians. It'll be an amazing atmosphere. Cardoba,
which is I think sort of northwest from the capital. Yes,
middle of Argentina.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Have you been there?

Speaker 4 (19:20):
I have, Yes. I actually I don't know how much
I was to say, really I was there an incident, No,
it's a previous life. In a previous life, I was
a bit of I was an enthusiastic nightcluber. You'll you'll
be Sunday and so I actually went on a bit
of a Latin American tour once upon a time which

(19:43):
a lot of energy was given to the nightclubs of Cordidora,
because they have it's a it's a bit of a
student town, Cordoba, and so they've got they've got a
very a very robust nightclubbing scene. So I remember going
going clubbing in an old theater there that held about
ten thousand people, and it was a night to remember,
to say the lead.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
Yes, hopefully it looks it's not at high high altitude,
but it looks quite dry and arran.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah. Yeah, to be honest, I didn't do a lot
of I was sort of exploring the topography of the
place too much to be honest to occupy in other areas.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
Yes, yes, you needed to keep your fluids up. It's
only an amazing atmosphere. It's actually the All Blacks have
played there before, I think in the seventies or eighties,
but they weren't official test matches against Argentina.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Really.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
Yeah, so this is the first official test in that
area or in that city for the All Blacks and Argentina.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, I can't wait, Thank you sir. Looking forward to
tomorrow morning. Don't forget, of course that Elliot Smith informer
All Black Aunt Straw and are going to have live
commentary of the All Backs Argentina here on news talks
he'd be That kicks off at nine o'clock tomorrow morning.
Thank you so much for your feedback. So Dean has
flip me an email this morning. Dean always sends through
really interesting thoughts and considered emails on Saturday morning. He

(20:57):
says Jack to elect to not turn up in a
civilized public forum with good intent as a Royal Commission
of inquiry is arrogant and contemptuous in my opinion, and
speaks to the character of the witnesses. Yeah. So I'm
just going to go to that back to that one
point though, is there anyone who can think of, like,
if it was a real, sincere effort to have a

(21:19):
comprehensive accounting of COVID, can anyone give me a good
reason why the terms of reference only start the Commission
of Inquiries second phase from February twenty twenty one. But
if we're really if it was a true, good faith
effort right to get a comprehensive accounting, wouldn't you start

(21:41):
it at the start of the pandemic. I know that
the second phase focuses a lot on vaccines, and it
focuses a lot on the kind of control measures, but
we had control measures in the first year of COVID
as well. So that's my question. And look, I'm open minded.
Maybe there was a good reason why you started in
February twenty twenty one. But my sort of take is
that if it was a real, earnest, good faith effort

(22:01):
to learn the lessons of COVID and account for the
good and bad decisions that were made, you would start
it at the beginning of the pandemic. One two is
our text number twenty six to ten.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
Just believe them still dull.

Speaker 10 (22:13):
Where my luck in the film?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I just still need to in the band they ask
to have them there.

Speaker 9 (22:21):
I see it, don't.

Speaker 11 (22:22):
Remember familiarly brief content for me in the basement.

Speaker 10 (22:27):
Of your heart.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Time in my Life A published so polish say.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
That is Taylor Swift only Tay Tay could announced her
brand new album on sports podcast and still draw gazillions
of viewers. So the Life of a show Girl is
going to be the title of her twelfth original record.
She joined her boyfriend Kansas City Chiefs player Travis Kelcey
on his podcast this week for a rare interview appearance,
and she revealed the album's cover art. I think the

(22:59):
album is going to come out at the start of
next month, October third. I think they're going to be
releasing Life for a Showgirl, So no doubt there will
be considerable hype leading up to that date. What was
six seven weeks away? Right now, it is twenty three
minutes to ten. Time you get your film picks for
this weekend. Francisca Rudkin is here with us this morning.
KIODA Good Morning had two films to work through this morning.

(23:21):
The first stars Bill Murray and Naomi Watson. Let's have
a listen to the friend.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I as I need to talk with who is about
the dotor?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I wanted to ask if you could take him?

Speaker 12 (23:33):
No, I can't.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
No, this is what Walter wanted after he died.

Speaker 13 (23:41):
Why would he say.

Speaker 10 (23:42):
That you were his best friend?

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Okay, tell us about the friend Francisca.

Speaker 14 (23:49):
So I've got a theme today, My themes authors and
both the films that we're talking about today. This is
an adaptation of Sigrid new News's twenty eighteen novel about
a woman dealing with a friend's suicide. It's very heartfelt.
It's a tender film, very gracefully acted by Naomi Watts
as Iris. She is an author, she's also a teacher,

(24:10):
and she has this dear friend, Walter, who she sort
of works with and has looked after and managed quite
a lot, because Walter's had a complicated life of He's
got numerous ex wives and hidden children and like to
have affairs with his students and things. So he has
quite a complicated past and he passes away. He commits suicide,

(24:32):
much to everybody's surprise, and he, as you heard in
the trailer, he wishes that Iris would take Apollo his dog.
Now his dog is a great dang And this is
a very New York based film, and Iris lives in
a very small department which is rent controlled and no
pets are allowed, so this obviously is going to cause
a bit of an issue. And what really happens throughout

(24:53):
this film is we kind of watch how, you know,
dealing with this dog and what to do with the dog,
and the confusion of being sort of asked to look
after the dog works alongside just ourn natural reef of
dealing with the loss of someone and the confusion around
this particular situation why Walter decided to go and be
so organized as to you know, playing where his dog was.

Speaker 15 (25:16):
Going to go anyway.

Speaker 14 (25:17):
So there's lots of questions, lots to sort of do.
What I liked about this film was Naomi Watts is
playing a middle aged woman, and she looks like a
middle aged woman, and she acts like a middle aged woman,
and it's got an authentic, sort of authentic kind of
quality to it. Very well acted apparently not as a
cerber because the book apparently the book was quite a

(25:38):
ceric about Walter, but I love the New York noss
of it. Jack and really it's a book about companionship,
and it's a book about support and how we all
need it in life. And you know, Iris gets it
from somewhere she didn't expect.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, that's so pretty good. Okay, I'm interested in that.
So that is the friend that's showing in cinemas at
the moment. Stars Bill Murray and Naomi What's next up?
Tell us about this wonderfully titled film, Jane Austin Wrecked
My Life.

Speaker 14 (26:05):
So I am loving rom coms at the moment because
I feel like a whole lot of directors are coming
along going. You know, you don't have to make a
rom com in the same formula that they've always been made.
And it's a great genre. Let's have some fun with it.
You can break the rules a little bit. And this
is a French English production and it stars Camille Rutherford
as a Gut and a Gut too is an author.
She works in this beautiful Parisian bookshop that makes you

(26:30):
just want to go to a bookshop immediately. She has
writer's block. She's single, She's got this best friend, Felix,
so she's not sure whether actually there's something more there.
She's a little awkward she overthinks everything, a little clumsy.
She's just basically stuck in a rut. And a friend
of hers sends in an application for her to attend

(26:50):
a Jane Austen Residency writers group and she gets accepted,
which and she of course feels like she's very much
an impost at this thing, and off she goes. And
this is sort of supposed to kind of jolt her
out of her rut. It's really charming, It's kind of
it's kind of Richard Curtis like, with sort of the

(27:10):
delightful kind of clumsiness that the characters have, but not
quite as outright funny. But I really grew this character,
really grew on me. At first, she's a little a
little hard to become fond of, and then I just
loved her individuality and the way she just does things
in her own little way, and I became really fond
of her and hoped for the best. So there's both.

(27:31):
These films are sort of the lovely, kind of pleasant
Sunday afternoon watchers.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, this sounds great. Okay, that's Jane Austin Wrecked My Life.
That showing in cinemas now as well. Francisca's first film
is The Friend. Hey, Francisca, did you see the New
York Times and their big effort to do the hundred
best films of the century so far?

Speaker 14 (27:52):
I guess, But what are they up to?

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Name number one? Yeah, the name number one? So for
anyone who hasn't seen it, they went through this thing
where they went and contacted heaps of filmmakers and actors
and ride and producers and directors and stuff. And then
they also opened it up to public voting.

Speaker 16 (28:11):
The public.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yeah, so yeah, And I think they said something like
two hundred thousand submissions in the public voting, which is amazing.
And so they've got a list of the top hundred
films of the century so far. And I went through
the list, and I've got to say I was surprised
at how it's not how few kind of arty films

(28:32):
they were, but I was kind of pastly surprised by
how mainstream some of the films were.

Speaker 17 (28:37):
You know, Yeah, what was number one?

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Parasite?

Speaker 14 (28:40):
Oh, I think I have seen that list.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
I think that's a good call. Parasite, I mean not
having seen nearly like I reckon, I've probably seen a
quarter of the films on one hundred, maybe slaying more thirty,
but I reckon. I mean Parasite. Well, Parasite was a
very good film. Yeah, little goal for you. The good
thing is I've just got heaps of time at the moment,
just heated and heaps of available times. So I'm imagining

(29:05):
the conversation next just getting home after the show today,
saying to my wife, Look, Francesca sees actually that I
just need to spend a whole lot less time looking
after the baby and a whole lot more time watching movies.

Speaker 17 (29:17):
Just give it a will.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, we'll turn into another parasite
going to film, I think if we're not careful. Hey,
thank you so much, have a great weekend and we
will catch you some in. Francisca rad Can our film reviewer.
This week's picks The Friend and Jane Austin Wrecked My Life.
Will have details for both of those up on the
News Talks c B website. Jack regarding the time frame, basically,

(29:38):
everyone knows the first part was sort of okay. It
was the second part that the government and decision makers
really got carried away. So I'm just not sure that
that's a good enough reason not to include it in
the first part, and a couple of other texts not
to include the first part of the response in the
terms of reference, and a couple of texts have said, oh,
we talked about the first part of the response and

(29:59):
the first part of the COVID inquiry as well. Again,
if it's going to be comprehensive, a good faith effort,
you've got to look at the good the bad, right
I just yeah, I personally, it's my view that it
was a mistake that they that they restricted the second
phase of the inquiry to February twenty twenty one onwards,
rather than starting with the beginning of the pandemic, or

(30:21):
honestly the setup before the pandemic even kicked off. Anyway,
thank you for your feedback. Right now, it is sixteen
to ten after the break, our cook is here with
a delicious recipe for orange and caramel custard filled crepes.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US Talk sav.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Oh here you go. Mark has flicked a textas a
Jack disclaimer, a warning for everyone this morning. You're going
to need tissues when you're watching The Friend. Francesca did
a great summary I really enjoyed watching it, but it's
a tear jerker. Thanks that make ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send us a message, time to
catch up with our cook, Nikki Wix, who's here with
us this morning.

Speaker 18 (30:57):
Kilder, Yeah, good morning, Jack.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
You have a delicious sounding recipe, a seasonal recipe. At
the moment, do you know I am eating? I always
have this problem. Right at my other job for TV's,
I have this problem when I'm getting made up in
that the makeup ladies always complain that I'm too orange
because I eat. I eat a lot of carrots, like

(31:20):
I would often have two carrots a day, and then
I would And at the moment, I'm eating so many
oranges because they're just so good. And it's the cat
and you know that your hands, yeah, your hands go
out in your orange.

Speaker 10 (31:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (31:35):
So interesting. I mean, I have no sympathy for you,
because you blokes in the industry spinned about two seconds
in the makeup cheer and us women have to spend
about two hours. So I don't know what story is
with that, but I'm kind of happy to hear.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
That, Nicky. Yeah. Anyway, the point is that orange are
amazing at the moment. So this is a sweet seasonal recipe.

Speaker 18 (31:57):
They are They're just beautiful and look, I was inspired
last weekend. I was down at Wellington. You know, we
hear a lot on the news about Wellington's dying.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
It didn't look like it to me.

Speaker 18 (32:07):
I went to all these restaurants and they were all
jam packed full of people. I did go back to
the old, the old faves down there. Boy, they have
some classic restaurants Bullcott Street, Bistrow, Heaving and a lunchtime
on Friday Dulling Old Floriditas and Cuba Street and then
Ortiga for sheep, which I never miss. And this is
off the dessert menu. So I sort of hastily put

(32:31):
this together for one of my cookbooks, actually because I
love this diish. I never, I never don't order it,
and that might be a double negative anyway. It's orange
and caramel custard folled crapes. The trick with a crape
when you're making sort of crapstuzettes or whatever is to
get them very very thin. These eight no American pancakes.

(32:51):
So look about one hundred grams of flour, which is
plain flour, which is about half a cup of scant
half cup into a big bowl, a pinch of salt
in there, and make a well in the middle, and
then break in two eggs and then pour in around
about one hundred and fifty mills of milk. We're going
to use about three hundred meals all up. But first
of all, I just like to give all of better
whisk together and you gradually, gradually, gradually incorporate the flour

(33:13):
from around the sort of sides. You'll have a thick batter.
Then then you stir in the rest of the milk.
And I say stir because you don't want to overwhisk
this flour because all it does is activate the glutens
and make your crapes quite tough. So then leave that
batter to rest for about fifteen minutes. Jack, and I
think that's key again to get a nice tender crape

(33:34):
at the end of it. Okay, when time to cook,
this makes about ten to twelve crepes. Heat a little
bit of oil and kind of a heavy based fry pan,
I think a better than a thin based one. Pour
about two to three tablespoons of the batter into the pan,
and the trick is to pour and tilt as you
go to get that really thin coating. If you've ever
been to a sort of farmer's market, you'll see those

(33:56):
beautiful French people making gallettes and they are sort of
they use another tool that kind of spreads it out,
but we don't have those at home. So just tilting
that pan all around until you've got a beautiful thin
coat up. The first pancake is never your best pancakes,
so do not do not mind about that, okay, and
then the second one will be better, and about thirty

(34:16):
to sixty seconds until it's kind of got golden freckles
on the underside on the pan side of it, flip
it over, cook it for another thirty to sixty seconds,
and I just don't know how hot your stovetop is,
hence the thirty to sixty seconds. Repeat with all the
remaining better and leave them to cool at this stage.
And then they can if you're not serving them immediately,
they can sit there covered, you know, for a day

(34:38):
or so, you know, before you do it. And then
I'm going to fill it with and I'm sure it'll teager.
They make some beautiful cream potissier, but I use because
I'm a little bit hacky sometimes half a cup of
straw bought thick custard. I love the neadle lee, love
that meadow lee. It's a good one. And mix that
with some softy whipped cream and then you've got a

(34:58):
sort of cheats clean pat if you like. And when
it comes time to serve these, you want a dadd
a sort of heat teaspoon of custard into one quarter
the crapes and then fold the crape in half, then
over it to form a triangle. Then you're going to
sort of warm these in a pan when it comes
time to serve them, Jack, and I'm gonna I'm going
to suggest you serve them with this orange caramel sauce.

(35:20):
And it's easy. Half a cup of cast of sugar
into a pan or a salt spin if you like,
three tablespoons of water, the zest and juice of one orange.
So it's really zesty. It's really punchy with all that
orange juice, and you really want to heat that until well,
you actually want to heat the sugar and the water
until it's the sort of a dark caramel color and

(35:40):
let it bubble and deepen in that color. Then add
your juice and also a little splash of brandy or
rum if you like, just.

Speaker 13 (35:47):
Gives it that little lead, oh little edge, little.

Speaker 18 (35:50):
Edge, similar it off so that you cook that alcohol off.
You don't have to do the alcohol. The orange juice
is fine, and then after a few minutes you'll notice
that it's nice and thick, and that's sort of that's
a nice pouring consistency. So then when you're ready to
serve return all your love, you have folded crape parcels
into the pan. They can overlap, slightly, drizzle in the
caramel sauce, and then gently heat it until the crapes

(36:12):
are really warmed through. Serve it all with a dollup
of whipped cream. Pure delicious.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Sounds Yeah, this was.

Speaker 18 (36:20):
Only if you can't get to Wellington, okay a yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean it's really good. I mean I grew up
on crapsyzettes. My meus to cook them all the time
at dinner parties and she would have us making sort
of forty and fifty crapes all day. So I love those.
But this is just it's just it's magical having a
little bit of custard in there. It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, that sounds amazing. It does. Thank you so much,
NICKI we'll make sure that recipe is up at newstalks
heb dot co dot Nz so you can cook along
at home. Right now it is seven to ten.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Giving you the inside scoop on them all you need.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
To know this Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Oh, I'll make George Clark. You know, he of George
Clark's Amazing Spaces. He has a brand new show. We're
going to tell you a bit more about it after
ten o'clock this morning. It sounds so good though. It's
called Homes in the Wild and basically he travels around
New Zealand and Australia and he visits quite remote homes
and some of them are just incredible the way they've

(37:19):
kind of been built into the landscape. Some of them
are totally hidden, some of them really stand out. Anyway.
I don't want to give too much away, but we're
going to tell you a bit more about that after
ten o'clock this morning, and we'll let you know where
you can watch it at home as well. And don't
forget our feature interview right after the ten o'clock News
this morning. Is lead guitarist for legendary old band Pixies.
Pixies have been around probably while now, and they've been

(37:43):
in New Zealand a couple of times. I think they
were last year last year, But they're coming back with
this really interesting idea for a couple of different shows
that they're going to be playing two different nights in
both Auckland and Wellington, and one night they're going to
play two albums back to back, like just as they
are on the album tracking track list, They're just going

(38:04):
to play them back to back and that actually is
going to call a few issues. And then for the
second night of their shows, they're going to play the
kind of standard typical Pixies gig where they play a
few old classics and that kind of thing. So anyway,
Joey Santiago, who lets me onnest, just has like with
a name like that, as parents must have known the
second he said I want to play guitar, they were like, oh, well,

(38:25):
it's get to mc grammy right now, because our kid
is going to be a superstar. He's going to be
with us as our feature interview right after the ten
o'clock news next up, though our news team will leave
you know what's happening in Alaska, but Donald Trump and
Vladimir Putin as this historic summit continues. It's almost ten o'clock.
I'm Jack Tayne, It's Saturday morning, and this is News Talks.

Speaker 10 (38:42):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Cracking way to start his Saturday Saturday Morning with Jack
Team News Talks at.

Speaker 10 (38:58):
Me with where is My Mind?

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Where is My mane Yes, Pixies changed the alt rock
game forever. That's Pixies with Where is My Mind? Just
that opening? Okay, so good. The legendary band out of Boston,
Massachusetts have been credited by the likes of Kirk Cobain
for they're off the wall guitar shredding influence and very

(39:53):
soon Pixies are going to be back here on New
Zealand Shores with a very special set of shows. So
they're going to be playing two nights each in both
Auckland and Wellington. On the first night, they're going to
play classic Pixies albums Boston Over and tromp Lemont in
their entirety, and then the second night is going to
be a more traditional kind of classic Pixie's greatest hits

(40:14):
set and a man who occupies stage right who's been
at every single Pixies gig that has ever been as
guitarist Joey Santiago here and I sat down yesterday and
I began by welcoming to the show.

Speaker 19 (40:27):
Oh, thank you for having me, and yeah, hopefully you
guys are having a beautiful sun Saturday morning.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Yeah, yeah, hey, you are doing things a little bit differently.
This tour is a little bit different to previous Pixies tour.
Just give us an explanation about the different shows.

Speaker 19 (40:43):
Okay, so we're doing two nights. So the first night
is going to be BOSTONOVA and Trump Lamont albums, all
in sequential order, just the way it's listed. And the
second night will be we call it our general set,

(41:03):
which will be just like a mishmash of every things
from the other catalogs, and you know, we'll concentrate on
some of the new Stuffy a new album.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Nice. So why did you why did you want to
do things differently? Why do you want to do the
two quite distinct shows?

Speaker 19 (41:22):
You know, we don't we first of all, selflessly, for me,
we get to stay in the same.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
City twice, two nights, two days.

Speaker 19 (41:35):
And I get to look around and relax, you know,
So that's good for us. And also you know, for
the for the fans out there, you know, they get
two different shows if they choose to go.

Speaker 9 (41:47):
To two shows.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, yeah, I think people will. But it's you know,
remarkable to reflect on things a little bit. So Boss
and Over, I think, is what thirty five years old?
This year Trump? My mom must be what thirty four
years old? How do you reflect on those albums?

Speaker 19 (42:03):
Well, it was a long time, I know, you know,
every time we make a record.

Speaker 12 (42:10):
I'm proud of it. After a little while, the first,
you know, when I get home, I go, god, damn,
did I do everything that?

Speaker 7 (42:21):
You know?

Speaker 19 (42:21):
Did I was it? Did I do everything I can?
Did I give it a hundred percent?

Speaker 5 (42:26):
But I do?

Speaker 9 (42:27):
You know, but it's like, you know, what's more than
one hundred percent? Really?

Speaker 20 (42:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (42:32):
That's it. You just put it out, you know, that's it.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Do you find yourself reflecting on, you know, the different
creative choices you made thirty five years ago? When you
when you're forced to go and reflect on an album,
even things like like the sequencing of tracks and that
kind of thing, do you do you find yourself going? Man,
if I were writing buston Over today, I would do
something a bit differently.

Speaker 19 (42:57):
No, I think the albums were sequenced right correctly. The
only thing that, you know, how, and we thought about
that we were going to do this live, we would
we would sequence it better, so we don't change guitars
as often.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
How many guitars do you have to bring on tour?

Speaker 19 (43:21):
I have, you know, it's not that much comparatively, I
bring let's see.

Speaker 9 (43:30):
Four, four guitars, Yeah, yeah it is.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
It is four Gibson's.

Speaker 19 (43:37):
Ah, yes, three less bars and one three forty five.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, wonderful. So so the thirty fifth anniversary of Boston over.
But when I was doing the numbers for Pixies, I
realized that what has been described as the band's second
wave is now a longer period than your first wave together.
So I guess this is like the yeah, which which is?

(44:03):
I mean, it's funny how these things kind of kind
of catch up up on you. How do you personally
differentiate between the two different Pixies waves.

Speaker 19 (44:13):
Well, the first wave, what for me was I was
trying to have fun the whole time. Yeah, and it
is fun, I get it, you know what I mean?
And uh, this time around, it's the balance of fun

(44:35):
and work, which is not a I'm not saying that
in a negative way at all. It's just a healthier
way for me to look at it.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
That's interesting. Why is that?

Speaker 19 (44:48):
You know, It's it's just you just gotta put it
out there. You gotta just play your best. You gotta
be at nine o'clock. You gotta have, you gotta have,
you gotta be at your optimal best. You know, I'm
not out there personally, you know, I'm not out there

(45:09):
belly up at some barn and going to do the shell.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
So, and was that the case in the nineties.

Speaker 9 (45:17):
Yeah, sorry, no.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
It's it's fine.

Speaker 19 (45:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was exactly like that.

Speaker 17 (45:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
It's kind of the key to longevity, right, It's it
seems like the least rock and roll thing in the world.
But actually, like routine is kind of critical if you
want to be doing what you love. You know, after
after more than three decades of doing it, actually you
can't be necessarily living like you once did.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I mean, you know what, it's it's it becomes that
and you gotta like count your count your lucky stars
that this is the work I have.

Speaker 19 (45:57):
Yeah, you know, I can't imagine doing anything else.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
So yeah, I love it. I love it. And I
love the way I you know, I treat it.

Speaker 19 (46:09):
I treat it very seriously and hopefully it comes across
that way, you know.

Speaker 9 (46:15):
I mean, you know, I know there, you know, I mean,
that's the truth. Guys, you know, yeah, that is the truth. Well,
you know, we're doing this to be of service the
best we can do.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
You find do you find yourself noticing a greater sense
of gratitude than you did previously?

Speaker 17 (46:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (46:36):
I do. I do.

Speaker 19 (46:37):
I do, even when I have to like shut down
at four pm because I know, I can't socialize, I
can't do anything. I just have to be in my
room and just getting ready for it.

Speaker 9 (46:51):
I'm getting ready for something I love to do, you know.

Speaker 19 (46:56):
And that's that's part of the work is really uh,
you know, everything else, you know, it's more important the
good diet, the exercise and all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (47:11):
It's just gearing up for something I love to do.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
What about the relationships within the band? Do you notice
that you know that that with the wisdom of a
couple of decades under the belt, now that that your
relationships have changed in the way that you work, the
way that you guys go about your style, whether it's
writing music, or performing it together.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
Yeah, you know before the show.

Speaker 19 (47:40):
An hour before the show, we're all in there practicing.
It's for you know, for Charles to warm up his voice,
and then we go over some songs and we have
fun with it.

Speaker 16 (47:54):
You know.

Speaker 19 (47:55):
I I tend to mess around with with it and
I play like silly stuff.

Speaker 9 (48:02):
Other silly stuff.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
How do you mean what what?

Speaker 7 (48:04):
What?

Speaker 4 (48:04):
What kind of silly stuff do you play?

Speaker 9 (48:07):
Just noodling? Yeah, noodling, uh, noodling stuff. You know.

Speaker 19 (48:11):
It's like, hey, if you if you had a blues guy,
this is what the songs are gonna sound.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah. So I think your kids are in your twenties
now right, and relatively recently they've been they've been coming
to a few Pixie shows. What is that experience?

Speaker 9 (48:28):
Like, you know that they're inviting their friends.

Speaker 19 (48:35):
What it is is when they were like in elementary
school that's what we call you in fifth grade, they
they just didn't know because what I did and what
the band was.

Speaker 9 (48:47):
They had no clue.

Speaker 19 (48:49):
And I told them, you know, when you get into
high school, you're going to realize you're going to see
ye And sure enough, you know, they did.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
They were classroomates. Now they're in college.

Speaker 19 (49:02):
They's it's just everywhere you know where We're lucky, you know,
we're the band is popular in the college circuit, you know,
if they want to, you know, because college is the time.

Speaker 9 (49:19):
You to explore other forms of everything.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
And I suppose you've got past the point where they
think you're not cool and you're kind of whereas it's
like a second a second wave for the band, you're
probably also in their estimation and a second you know,
in a kind of second stage where all of a sudden,
actually having dad, you know, shreding for Pixies is like

(49:44):
an amazing is an amazing thing to be able to
boast to your friends.

Speaker 9 (49:49):
Yeah, you would think they'd behave more, but they don't.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Funny that, Hey, we really appreciate your time. We are
delighted that you're going to be playing in New Zealand
once again. So Pixies twenty twenty five New Zealand Tour
has a two night residency in each city, Auckland's Town
Hall on November twenty thre in twenty fourth and the
Saint James Theater in Wellington on the twenty sixth and
twenty seventh of November. All of the details will be
on the News Talks EDB website. Joey, thank you so much.

(50:15):
We can't wait to see you here soon.

Speaker 9 (50:17):
I'm looking forward to it too.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
That is Joey Santiago from Pixies Before eleven o'clock on
News talks 'B. We're in the garden and we're catching
up with our personal finance expert who is taking some
critical money lessons from one of the world's best known athletes.
And I know what you're thinking, athletes and money. You're
thinking the athletes who are worth two billion dollars and
end up squandering it all and have to declare bankruptcy

(50:41):
three times. No, no, no, this is not like a Mike
Tyson story or anything like that. These are really good
lessons that we can take about money from the way
this person played their sport. I'll give you a few
more details on that very soon. Next up, if you're
looking for something good to watch or to stream at
home this weekend, our screen time expert has her three picks,
her three shows to recommend. It's nineteen past ten.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
On your weekend, Off the Right Way Saturday Morning with
Jack Dahim News Talks.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
There be twenty one past ten, Time to catch up
with our screen time expert. It's Tara Award's job to
come to us every week with three shows to watch
your stream at home, and she's here. Now kill Totara.
We're going to kick things off this morning with a
show streaming on TV and Z plus. Tell us about
Reunion here.

Speaker 21 (51:29):
This is a new British thriller made by the BBC,
and in a lot of ways, it's a pretty standard
drama about a man seeking revenge.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
For a murder.

Speaker 21 (51:38):
But there's an element of a story that really makes
the show stand out, and that's because the main character
of the show is deaf. This is about a man
named Daniel who is released from prison after a ten
year sentence for murder. He returns home to Sheffield, is
ostracized by his friends and family. He's not welcome because
of the crime he committed, and he becomes determined to

(52:00):
seek revenge. It's not clear why the crime happened or
why he did it, but he's got nothing to lose
until he reunites with his daughter, who really needs him
to stay out of prison. And because Daniel and many
of other characters in the show are deaf, there's a
lot of British sign language used in the show, and
the drama moves really smoothly between sign language and spoken language. So,

(52:24):
as I said, in lots of ways, it's a pretty
standard crime thriller, but because Daniel is deaf, and because
you see the world through his perspective, it's telling a
familiar story in quite a new, thought provoking way. It's
a father and daughter story. It's about the challenges of
coming out of prison, and it's also about being deaf
in a world that is built for people who can hear.

(52:44):
The drama itself is quite a slow burn. It's quite
dark and intense, only four episodes, but it pulls you
in and I'm really curious to see where this one goes.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Nice okay, Cole. That's Reunion. It's on TV and Z
Plus on three. Now The Family next Door.

Speaker 21 (53:00):
Yeah, this is a new Australian mystery drama. It's based
on a book by Sally Hipworth and it's a little
bit like an Australian version of Big Little Lies, but
without all the wealth and glamour. This is a little
bit more suburban. It's a battle woman named Isabelle who
moves to a small coastal town of Victoria. She rents
a house on a street where everyone else knows everybody.

(53:23):
Claims to be a writer, but she's clearly there for
something else. She's secretly collecting information about each of the residents,
all of her new neighbors, who in turn becomes suspicious
of her and try and find out what she's really
doing there. And it's that time old TV drama tradition
that that idea that life is the perfect, life is
never really perfect. There's always a bit of scandal hiding

(53:45):
underneath the surface, and nothing is ever what it seems.
It's just a solid Australian family drama. It's about marriage
and friendship and parenting and family and it unsolds in
a quiet sort of intriguing way. Again, it's not in
any kind of hurry, but it's quite watchable and has
this great Australian ensemble cast, lots of familiar faces.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
That's the Family next Door that's on three now and
George Clark's Home in the Wild.

Speaker 21 (54:12):
Yeah, I'm a big fan of George Clark shows. He's
the British architect who has a lot of TV shows
on here about building homes and quirky homes and Amazing
Sheds and all sorts and Homes in the Wild is
his new show. This was filmed in New Zealand and
Australia over the summer, and this is George Clark visiting smaller,
more isolated islands like Cowwell and the Raquino Island and

(54:35):
finding houses that are almost hidden in nature, that are
built to become part of these remote environments. And what
I loved about this show is that it's not about
the most expensive house or the fanciest looking house. It's
about how people have connected their homes with their environment
and used ingenuity and resourcefulness and sustainability. The first episode

(54:57):
was on Great Barrier Island and he visited three really
different homes with amazing stories and history. One of them
had to build a flying fox in the seventies across
the bay to get the building materials into the site.
There's some great stories in this. If you like a
good design show that isn't necessarily about what money can buy,
this is definitely worth checking out. It started last week
on sky Open, but you can also watch it for

(55:19):
free on demand on Skygo.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Fantastic. Okay, yeah that's a bit of me. I love
George Klik and yeah, that's very much a bit of me.
So that's George Clark's Home in the Wild. That's on
Sky Open and like Taris said, you can also stream
it as well. The Family next Door is on three
now and Reunion is on TV and Z Plus. And
speaking of TV, you know ESPN as in the global
behemoth when it comes to sports TV and sports coverage.

(55:45):
They have announced that they think TV's days are numbered
as an ESPN's TV days and number not because people
aren't watching, but because people are changing the ways in
which they watch. So our texpert is really intrigued about
what this is going to mean for the future of sports,
not just in the US, but the future of sports

(56:05):
coverage every Are we going to move to a model
where you just pay for individual sports and you stream
them at home. That could be a possibility. So he's
going to give us his thoughts on that in a
bit more detail when he joins us before eleven o'clock
twenty seven past ten on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Just coming up to ten thirty on News Talks EDB.
So you know the Kremlin has just announced that Donald
Trump and Vladimir Putin are going to be giving a
press conference very soon. So they've been meeting alongside two
of their senior officials, I think Steve Wickclough and Marco
Ruble a Rubio on the US side and Sergei Levrev
and someone else on the Russian side. Anyway, they're going

(56:48):
to be never meeting for the last three hours or
so in Alaska, and we are expecting a press conference
with Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin to begin presently, So
as soon as it does, we will bring you all
of the details of that tomorrow. My son is going
to be six months old, six months in which he
has met dozens of people. He has learned to breastfeed,

(57:11):
to scream, to jolly jumper, he's traveled to several countries,
and he's more than tripled his body weight. There's been
a big six months for him and for his very
first solid food experience. Given this is about the time
you're supposed to do it, my wife held up a
piece of pear to his lips. It proved to be

(57:33):
a mistake, honestly, because even though he was still too
young to chew the fruit, the moment that she drew
the sweet fruit away from his mouth, he just started
screaming until she lifted it up again. We've kind of
made a rod for her own back. We'd been planning
to gently introduce some plainer solids for him this week,
and Marva picked up a chicken carcass at the butcher

(57:53):
and brewed up a hearty broth. But she was beaten
to the punch by a young girl at our corner
dairy who was eating a large ice cream after school yesterday.
And as Marv shimmy past, the girl all globbed off
a bit of semi melted magnum and plunged her finger
into our son's mouth. Needless to say, broccoli is going

(58:16):
to be a challenge. I know that, I know that
some people find it totally insufferable when you go on
about your kids, so I'm not going to do that.
But given he's my first born, you know it's one
of those kind of experiences, right and truthfully, the magic
is real. The magic is totally real. All of the
cliches ring true for me right now, for starters, I

(58:39):
just love him so much. I love him so so much.
The thought of something bad happening him to him is
just unbearable. I can't think about it. It's unconsiderable. The
moment that, like an intrusive thought enters my mind, I
just have to shut it down. I just I cannot
go there. I still feel that a kind of physical

(59:00):
reaction when he smiles or when he laughs, and I
don't know whatever that clever little love chemic, but I
feel it like pump through my chest and sweep down
my limbs. He giggles when I sing, and he giggles
when I make raspberries on his belly. But nothing makes
him laugh harder than when his big brother comes in
and starts dancing in front of him. Oh my god,

(59:21):
it's just so amazing to watch. Honestly, you think that
Jimmy Carr was doing a stand up set in the
lounge room for the reaction that it conjures. It's just
it's amazing. It's incredible to watch him learning to do
things for the first time. So we had been bathing
him in the lounge without incident in one of those
handy you know, like single one person one baby barths

(59:44):
when last weekend, in real time, right in front of us,
he learned how to splash. He learned how his actions
would lead to water being everywhere right. You could kind
of see him work it out. He put his hands underwater,
he spread his fingers, and then he started thrashing, delighted,
and that was it. No more baths in the lounge.
He's been teething this week, and I can see that

(01:00:05):
this is going to to be an ongoing challenge. He
just grizzles, and he whitters until someone makes like the
wee girl and the dairy and shoves a finger in
his mouth to chew on. We're exhausted, of course, just
totally naked. I can't wait for him to sleep through
the night. At the moment, he wakes up two three
times most nights. He's definitely up for the day by

(01:00:27):
four thirty or five every day. And yet, true to
the last parenting cliche, one night this week, as I
zipped up his sleepsack and I laid him down to sleep,
I noticed myself lamenting, Oh, they grow up so fast?

Speaker 10 (01:00:44):
Why why?

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Why can't he stay like this forever?

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
Jack Tatum Tama.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Twenty six minutes to eleven on Newstalks. He'd be that
press conference is about to kick off, so we're going
to bring you Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin's comments just
as soon as it does. Before eleven, we're in the garden,
and next up, our texpert is in with the reason.
ESPN says it's TV days a number, putting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
The tough questions to the newspeakers The Mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 22 (01:01:12):
The constraints around information sharing is hindering government agencies in
responding to organized crime.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Where have we heard that before?

Speaker 22 (01:01:18):
Steve Simon is the chair of the Ministrial Advisory Group.

Speaker 20 (01:01:20):
I've been a prosecutor for twenty years, and I think
it's been the bane of our existence in entire time.
If anything, I think it's probably got worse as commin
agencies have become more siloed and have become more risk adverseed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I thinkuld start with.

Speaker 9 (01:01:33):
Culture, Mike.

Speaker 20 (01:01:33):
I think your point of it's been this consistent problem
over the years. What that's driving is this culture of
if I don't share, I won't get in trouble. If
I do share, I might get in trouble. So if
you can see which option people are usually choosing.

Speaker 22 (01:01:46):
Back Monday from six am, The Mic Asking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Three to eleven on news talk ZEDB US sports giant
ESPN says that it's TV dates and number. Don't worry,
it's not getting out of the business of sports broadcasting,
but it might be getting out of the business of
TV our Textbert paulst then, how is here with the details?
What's happening?

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
Paul?

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
Yeah? It's funny, isn't it?

Speaker 23 (01:02:09):
Because when I first kind of thought about this, it's like, well,
haven't we already been going direct to the consumer? Haven't
all of these companies been trying to go direct?

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
And they have, but they haven't.

Speaker 23 (01:02:19):
And it's a really key point, Jack, because they never
give you the actual thing you get that they had
on TV, right, And that's what ESPN is actually going
to give you right whenever they try to do one
of these digital things over here in the States. They're
trying to protect that relationship we have with the middleman.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
They don't want to give up the thing.

Speaker 23 (01:02:38):
That gives them literally billions of dollars, right because they
buy the rights from the sports companies, they on sell
that to the PATV operators and that is a.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Lucrative, lucrative business.

Speaker 23 (01:02:48):
But ESPN is finally bit the bullet and they have
said that ESPN will go direct to the consumer, so
they are cutting out that PTV provider who has been
a friend of theirs, maybe friendly foe for a very
very long time.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
And if you're a.

Speaker 23 (01:03:05):
Fan of sport sports, you will now just be able
to scrap the entire TV bundle. You don't have to
worry about getting channels you don't want. You're just going
to get ESPN and all your sports. And in the US,
it's like thirty bucks a month is where it's launching
or something like that. And it's really interesting, right, yeah,
because so many people have said, yeah, cable don't want it,

(01:03:26):
too hard, too expensive, You've got things I don't want, although.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
I've never had cable. Their kids and they say, well,
everything I get is on my phone.

Speaker 23 (01:03:34):
This will be ESPN's way of actually being able to
now say to those fans who've ditched cable or never
had cable, come over here, give me your credit card
and you can actually start watching.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Some of this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Yeah, it is pretty remarkable, isn't it. I mean, in
New Zealand, we're kind of, you know, we're halfway there
in that you can get Sky Sports now, so you
can just pay for Sky Sport basically and stream it
rather than paying for all of the Sky channels. You know,
they've kind of got a breakoff product there where you know,
where they can And there's you know some scuttle but

(01:04:08):
publicly reported scuttle but that for example, TV and Z
might be looking at having sports rights and putting it
behind the paywall in the future. I don't know anything
about that from being inside TV and Z, but you know,
that's at least what's been publicly reported. So I guess
this is kind of a trend that's happening in lots
of places. But I suppose we could, like, if we
take this trend to its nth degree, it's not unreasonable

(01:04:32):
to think that before too long you will just be
paying for individual sports, right, So you're just going to
go like, for example, I am happy to pay forty
dollars a year for the All Blacks, but I'm not
going to pay another forty dollars for cricket rights, or
I'm not going to pay another thirty dollars for other sports.
Like you could see how it kind of becomes bulkanized,

(01:04:53):
you know.

Speaker 23 (01:04:54):
So here's here's where it gets even crazy there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
So you would think that.

Speaker 23 (01:04:58):
But in the States, the NFL now wants to get
out of the media business.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
They actually used to have a thing called the.

Speaker 23 (01:05:04):
NFL Network, And part of this pl of ESPN going
direct to the consumer is that NFL Network will give
ESPN a whole bunch of channels and additional content, even
some additional games, and in return they're trying to get
I think it's about ten percent of ESPN, which has
to go through the regulators and all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
But what's interesting is that's a.

Speaker 23 (01:05:25):
Sports league who has previously really tried to double down
and not just be a sports league but also be
a media.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
Company, and now they're moving away from it.

Speaker 23 (01:05:33):
So I actually think it's almost interesting to see if
someone like the All Blacks would almost do the reverse.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
Right, Hey, it's too hard. We don't want to be
a media company. We don't want to worry about subscriptions.

Speaker 23 (01:05:43):
We are good at finding amazing rugby players, bringing them
through from high school right the way through to pro
and we're really good at creating an inn stadium experience.
That's your business. So it is interesting because that was
absolutely the trend. And then what you're starting to see
now is that as each of these companies decide they
want to go direct to consumer. Especially here in the States,

(01:06:06):
they're now starting to bundle, which is kind of like
a digital effectively cable channel right where you can buy
your Disney Plus maybe mixed with your Paramount Plus, mixed
with your Peacock, and then you pay a set fee,
and then you can go over here and do an
Amazon Prime and there's something else in a Discovery Plus.

Speaker 5 (01:06:23):
It's like it's almost become more confusing for people.

Speaker 23 (01:06:26):
Yeah, it was some simplicity that you get Sky, you
get all the channels, and you've got all the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
And that's that. Yeah, that was nice.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Yeah, Now it's like, who am I paying? How much?
Is there a bit of deal?

Speaker 24 (01:06:35):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
It's gonna be very interesting. All right, thanks so much, Paul,
appreciate your time. Our text at Paul Steinhouse. So you know,
we're still waiting for this press conference with President Trump
and Vladimir Putin to begin in Alaska. They've set up
a sort of staging area in front of all the
media and there's a big banner down the back. There's
the US flag, there's a Russian flag, and then there's
a couple of different podiums and then there's a big

(01:06:57):
banner down the back that says pursuing peace. So we
will see how they've gone in their one on one
meetings this morning, very shortly eighteen to eleven on News
to ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk.

Speaker 22 (01:07:19):
You could be a chest, you could be a thousand
and sixties.

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
Would you could be a.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
God.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
Flight of the Conquers are so good, aren't they. You
might know him as one half of the musical comedy duo,
but did you know that Bred mackenzie has basically won everything.
He's won an Oscar, he's won a Grammy, and he's
won an Emmy. Yeah, so he hasn't won hasn't he
won a Tony, But he's one of the others. That's
pretty impressive.

Speaker 10 (01:07:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Anyway, he's kind of filling the gap between music, comedy, theater,
and film, and he's known for being quite experimental with
the way he merges songwriting in the story telling, the
way he kind of bridges the gap between upbeat and chaotic.
His music's been sung by the likes of Celine Dion,
Lizzo Homer, and Lisa Simpson, Miss Piggy just to name

(01:08:17):
a few, so divers bunch. He even had songs featured
in this year's box office smash hit Minecraft, which of
course he also starred. And anyway, he's back. He's got
a brand new album of his own, and our music
review at Style Cliffe's had to listen says she's going
to tell us about that before midday. We'll make sure
we play some of that very soon as well. Right now, though,
it is quartered to eleven and time to catch up

(01:08:38):
with our personal finance expert. Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners
is with us this morning talking sport, which I know
sounds confusing.

Speaker 15 (01:08:45):
Kelder, Ed, great to be here, Jack.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
Great to be speaking with you. They call it the
Roger Federer effect. When I think of Roger Federer, I
think of maybe the most fluid and beautiful tennis player
of all time, But you think of something very different. Indeed,
well's quite funny.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Jack.

Speaker 15 (01:09:01):
I was on my treadmill walkie away watching some YouTube
videos that I saw this really interesting speech that Roger
Fetterer gave at Dartmouth College. He was up there in
the full dress, said he shared a stat that really
blew my mind. Now we all know Rogert Feedter is
one of the greatest tennis.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Players of all time.

Speaker 15 (01:09:20):
He won over eighty percent of the singles matches he played.

Speaker 17 (01:09:25):
But then he asked this question, Well, if I won.

Speaker 15 (01:09:28):
Eighty percent of the matches, how many points do you
think I won in those over a thousand singles games.
Now most of us would say, well, surely it's got
to be eighty percent, But it actually wasn't It was
fifty four percent of points. And I promise you that
this has a moneyed effect.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Yeah, that's very very interesting, isn't it? So fifty four
He only won fifty four percent of the points. When
I think about the structure of tennis, and I think
about the kind of the statistical side of tennis, I
suppose that tennis, while it has a set number of sets,
there's no the guarantee as to how many points will

(01:10:09):
be played. Right. You can win a game by being
up forty love, or you can win a game by
being at tiebreak. But I suppose at the end of
the day that the important thing is that you win
a majority of points, and if you win a majority
of points, you end up probably winning games. But that's
a huge discrepancy.

Speaker 15 (01:10:24):
Well, here's how the stats work. If you win fifty
four percent of the points, then you win around sixty
percent of the games, right, And if you win sixty
percent of your games, you win around seventy three percent
of your sets. And if you win seventy three percent
of your sets, that compounds into winning about eighty three
percent of your matches. And look, if you win eighty
three percent of your matches, you become Roger Federer and

(01:10:46):
you're a world class champion.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
I was going to say, and you took that word
off my tongue, compounding, right, Well.

Speaker 15 (01:10:52):
When I heard that statueck, that's what I was like.
That is a depth, Yeah, how investing works. Because sometimes
people say to me, Ed, you talk about how shares
and property tends to go up over time. But then
I look at my shares these app and it looks
like half the time the shares go up or McKee
we sayver goes up, and half the time the balance

(01:11:12):
is going down. And it made me realize that if
we take the S and P five hundred, it only
goes up fifty three percent of the time on a
daily basis, which means you've almost got a coin flip
chance on any given day that the market's going to
go up or the market's going to go down. But
that compounds into sixty three percent of the time the

(01:11:35):
S and P five hundred goes up in a given month,
or sixty nine percent of the time in any quarter,
and if you look over a year, it's about seventy
four percent.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
And the longer you.

Speaker 15 (01:11:44):
Go out, the higher that number goes up. And so
when I one of the things I often say to
invest this is the money is made in holding. But
if you're investing for the first time and you put
some money in and then the next day you run
back to see how much you made, and oh, gosh,
half the time it's going up. Half the time it's
basically going down. You can't distinguish that you've got a

(01:12:06):
slow light edge. But the money is made in the holding.
And if you look back over a year and you go, oh,
seventy four percent of the time, I'm actually making money,
that can make you start feeling better. But it's just
to say that you're not going crazy. If you're regularly
logging it on a daily basis, checking your shares or
on a monthly basis into your a and z at

(01:12:26):
checking the value of your property. You're not going crazy
if you seeing it going up in down a lot
on that short term, because you've got to zoom out
over the year or the five years to see, oh yeah,
this investing thing does work. So just keep in mind
that Roger Federer effect. It's the same in tennis as
with your investments.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
It's funny how human psychology is such a funny thing, right,
But we can all rationalize that with investments things go
up over the long term. And yet still if you
log into your key we saver and you've lost a
couple of percent overnight and you see that as several
thousand dollars, even if you're not going to be realizing
that that gain or that loss for years or decades
to come, you still feel a bit stink. It's just

(01:13:07):
a weird it's a weird kind of dynamic.

Speaker 15 (01:13:10):
Especially when you see shares. Is it happens more shares
them with property because the price of shares of the
S and P five hundred changes every single day, and
so you can see that happening, and it's so easy
to get despondent and feel like, oh gosh, I won
money this day. Or I made money this day. I
did it the next day. But just keeping in mind, Oh,

(01:13:30):
it's the same with Roger Federer. You wouldn't look at
him playing a single game and think, oh, he's a
bit useless. The only winds about Malus's point. No, he's
a world class tens player. You can't just look at
the single point. It's the match that matters. And it's
the same with your investing.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Oh that's so good. Love you work here, Thank you
so much. Have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
You two guarding with stell shop one hundred bucks of
free accessories on selected chainsaws.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
Rude clime Pass is in the garden for us this morning,
and Rude, I don't want to get you too excited,
but as keenly as I always take your advice and
listen to your very thoughts and recommendations, I do have
one eye on a press conference between the prison in
the United States and the President of Russia this morning.
So if we have to cut you off, you know why.

Speaker 16 (01:14:17):
Yeah, I realized that. And put In is an amazing
gard isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
He famous famous for his green fingers.

Speaker 16 (01:14:25):
Before we go, I'm going to make it even worse
because the stuff that's on the website will be giving
you all the all the ideas. Anyway, last night I
went to a place where your youngster will go when
he is five or six years old. In Christ's the
bot illuminating the Vitennic garden. Yes, exactly illuminating the Vitennic.
So you see the Vitinna garden at night under light

(01:14:47):
and sound, with ultra violet lights and the most amazing
systems going on there. It took Julian two and a
half hours to walk through it. Just keep it in
it for those people in prices. You can't miss this
number one.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
Okay, fantastic. Okay, So you're keeping your eyes on the
garden this morning and look look for a bit of
unexpected winter beauty.

Speaker 16 (01:15:09):
Well, Julie's often putting new inhabitance in the garden. Then
they sort of escaped me a little bit, and suddenly
there they are. So I looked at some of the
really nice on the white magnolia at the moment that
is coming out, which I think is wonderful. It's not pollinating.
There's a beautiful big flower, but it's one of the
oldest plants on the planet that doesn't do pollination. I

(01:15:30):
think the pollen are distributed by window or something like that.
So that's number one at Gerphlia. I remember Don Burke
during television from Australia. He loves Gravillia. At the moment
in flower, go and look for them. There are tall
grasses called their scants. They're about almost a meter high. Fabulous,

(01:15:50):
always good to see. Then there was this daffodil.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
I said that, Julie, what's that?

Speaker 16 (01:15:56):
Just another daffodil, that's what it does. So here we go,
all right, but here comes the thing that I really loved,
and a's hammer mailis. We've had it for a while.
And how my malist comes in, which hazel, and it
comes in different colors, in different colors and different shapes
and all the sizes. But then when I started looking

(01:16:18):
at it, I realized there was one called It was
actually very very red in color. And I'm actually I'm
going to find where I can get This is unbelievable.
What I'm trying to say is what we think of
winter as a dull dime a. But boy, if you
got the right stuff in the garden, it certainly pays

(01:16:39):
for everything you get there. Basically all the colors.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Everything works nice, fantastic. So I've got a bit of
news for you as well, in that I took your
advice a couple of weeks ago and I moved out
pomegranate tree. You know how you were saying it was
the time, and I moved it. And there's a lot
of rain. I've been a little bit nervous about how
everything was going. The good news is, and I've been
checking it every day, is that I can just see

(01:17:04):
the leaves about to start coming out of the little
whatever it is. Yeah, so it looks like that. It
looks like it has survived the move. I will report
back again next week. But every day I see a
tiny bit more growth on the edge of the stems
and I think, oh my goodness, Rube was right. I
think I might have got away with this. So that's good.

Speaker 16 (01:17:22):
About a little bit of fertilage in about two weeks,
how's that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
Yeah, yeah, no, I don't worry. I'll be on that absolutely.
Thank you so much, sir. We'll make sure those photos
for a bit of winter beauty are up on the
news talks Hed websites so you can see them soon,
and we will catch route in the garden again very
soon next week. The press conference has just kicked off
with Putin and Donald Trump. Putin is speaking first. He's
speaking Russian. I don't but I understand that. He says

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that the talks have been constructive. Our news team's going
to have all the details for you in a couple
of minutes. It's almost eleven o'clock at a Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Tame. This is news talks.

Speaker 10 (01:17:55):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend news talks.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Ed be.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Yoda, good morning. If you're just turning on the radio,
My goodness. Things are moving quickly in Alaska. So at
about seven am this morning, about seven thirty am, Vladimir
Putin and Donald Trump started meeting in person. They both
arrived in Anchorage, Alaska, in their private planes. They met
each other on a litteral red carpet. They waved to

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the cameras. There was a flyover with a B two
stealth bomb of four F thirty fives reporters were yelling
questions to Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, but they and
two of their senior advisors respectively went into a private
meeting for about three hours that meeting has concluded. The
two leaders have just held a joint press conference. They

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came and fronted on a stage in front of the
assorted press pack, and when they did, Donald Trump signaled
for Vladimir Putin to speak first. Here's what the Russian
president had to say.

Speaker 25 (01:19:23):
And agree with President Trump as he has sat today,
that naturally the security of Ukraine should be insured as well.
Naturally we're prepared to work on that. I would like
to hope that the agreement that we've reached together will
help us bring close to that goal and will pay
the path towards peace and Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Well, what is that agreement they've reached. It's not totally
clear at this stage. Certainly there is no reporting that
a cease file, a ceasefire agreement has been reached, although
that is what Donald Trump said he'd be aiming for today.
That the talks do continue. Are that the one on
one talks or three on three talks have concluded, but
there are going to be some other conversations today. There's
going to be a lunch now where the entourages for

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the Americans and the Russians will continue their conversations. But
it was very interesting Vladimir Putin made extended comment extensive
comments as part of his as part of his presentation
to the media before Donald Trump had a word, and
clearly he was speaking knowing that his translation would be

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relayed live to the US President and speaking to try
and get in Donald Trump's good books. Just listen to this.

Speaker 25 (01:20:32):
Today when President Trump saying that if he was the
president back then there will be no war, and I'm
quite sure that it would indeed be, so I can
confirm that I think that overall me and President Trump
have built a very good, business like and trustworthy contact.

Speaker 4 (01:20:51):
Okay, So that was Vladimir Putin. Donald Trump says they
have quote made progress in the conversations today, but certainly
that there's no enormous breakthrough I think of Vladimir Putin
said that in order to actually end the war in Ukraine,
the primary cause must be eliminated. But certainly the body
language between the two leaders has been pretty chummy, and

(01:21:13):
clearly they're trying to build some sort of a rapport.
So we're going to make sure we keep you up
to speed as the as the Summit of Sorts in Anchorage,
Alaska continues throughout the day on newstalks. He'd be right now.
It is ten past eleven, Jack Dab, time to catch
up with our clinical psychologists. Doogle Sutherland is here this
morning and tackling a very interesting issue, indeed, the long

(01:21:35):
term effects of every day stresses. So these are not
the acute, big one off stresses you have in life.
This is the accumulation of the stuff that you're dealing
with every day Kilder Google Curder Jack.

Speaker 17 (01:21:46):
Yes, indeed, it's often those that sort of building up
of the small everyday things that has that sort of
you know, slow impact on our health rather than necessarily
those huge, huge, big things. And actually this was sparked
by a survey from trade me that showed that I
think it was over eighty percent of people on the
process of buying a new house super stressful, which which

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mirrors a lot of sort of psychology research which says
everyday stress is like buying a house. Getting married and
public speaking are some of the most stressful events people
talk about in the in their in their everyday lives.
And if you remember last time we were talking, we
talked about how to live to be one hundred and
one of those things was managing stress and so maybe
if you can manage your everyday stress, you might you

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might even live a little bit longer.

Speaker 4 (01:22:34):
Yeah, that's interesting because I don't know, like I I
feel like I have a stressful job I have, you know,
I have a stressful career, and there are lots of
stresses that come with the job and the kind of
you know, regular slash semi regular stresses that I have.
I often get stressed about what kind of what kind
of impact they might be having on my health. But

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really it's like it can be any situation, right that
is there's kind of new or or you know, ambiguous,
we you're feeling outside of your comfort zone, that can
contribut to an every day stress.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:23:08):
Absolutely, those three things that you've just named there, that
sort of newness or novelness, the ambiguity and unpredictability of
a situation that those are really the key ingredients for
us as humans to experience stress. And that can be
you know, anything that crops up, you know, for getting

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into a relationship and new relationships like well that's new
and ambiguous. I don't know how this person's going to react,
and I can't really control it or not completely control
it anyway. So yeah, any any time where you have
those three ingredients ambiguity, newness, and uncontrollability, it does result
or it's the recipe for stress for us to feel

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the stress.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
And so using the circles of control model can be
a good way to try and manage it. Just to
explain to us, what is the circles of control model?

Speaker 17 (01:24:00):
Yeah, well a lot of people are familiar with it
when I talk to people that there. Oh yeah, yeah,
I'm kind of familiar with that. So if you're adagine
a sort of a three circles, almost like a dartboard
that sort of shape. And the outside circle is things
of concern. Those are things that you that that that
might worry you, but you have no kind of control.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
Over it at all.

Speaker 17 (01:24:22):
Also, that's the outside circles. The next circle in the
middle circle is things that you can influence. Uh, and
then the middle circle is things that are completely in
your control. And arguably you could split any situation up
into those using those three circles. And the idea being

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that if you can focus yourself on the things that
you can firstly control and also those things that you
can influence, it gives you a bit of a game
plan to get active and to do something rather than
focusing on the things that are of concern, which was
a completely understandable that you're concerned about them. It's sort

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of a waste of mental energy to to to be
focused on them because can't really do anything about them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yeah right, that makes sense. Okay, So to go back
to the survey you did with trade me for people
buying houses and finding it stressful, can you apply that
model to housing, then to the post of buying a house.

Speaker 17 (01:25:20):
Then what you can get on what you can't absolutely,
so things have concerned that's the outside circle, that's the
house market and other buyers like you've got You've got
no control or even influence on who else is looking
for a house or.

Speaker 6 (01:25:33):
What houses are out here.

Speaker 17 (01:25:34):
So so actually, don't worry too much.

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
About that, right.

Speaker 17 (01:25:37):
Things you can influence, well, you can influence the seller's
decision when you put in a you know, you can
put in a good offer, you can write a nice letter,
you can influence somewhat the mortgage rate that you get.
You can shop around between banks and get a better
get a better mortgage rate. And then the things that
you can control those are your budget, where you look,

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you know, your preparation, so those are.

Speaker 6 (01:26:04):
All completely under your control.

Speaker 17 (01:26:06):
So if you're in that in the active buying a house,
think about you know, even I often say to people
do what we call is prescribed worry times. So so
take twenty or thirty minutes about the thing that to
really focus on the thing you worry about and draw
out those circles of control and see how you can
apply And we just apply them to that to buying

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a house, but you could do that for any any
kind of situation really, and it does give you a
bit of an action plan. And once you've got an
action plan, it can help reduce your anxiety or stress
somewhat because you feel like you've got a bit more
control and you're a bit more things are a bit
more predictable, so it dials down your stressometer a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Yeah, and you know there are things you can do
obvious things, so you could use a bit of technology
that kind of thing wherever possible so that you're not
always checking stuff that you can try and set up
alerts in that kind of thing.

Speaker 17 (01:26:56):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And just going back to the
trade me idea, they you know, they've got a nice
little filter on their search engine around houses, so it
keeps you sort of focused on the price range and
the areas that you want to focus on. Because I
don't know about you, but I can remember, you know,
last time we bought a house. If you miss out
something that's like, oh my god, yeah we've got a

(01:27:16):
quick but by that one, it's like we're going to
We're not going to live in haste things. There's nothing
wrong with yeah we live in Wellington, but the house
will tell there quick, quick, quicknity.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
Yeah, yeah it.

Speaker 17 (01:27:27):
Would be, but you do get a bit panicky. So
having those sort of any sort of tech that you
can use just can help you sort of folks stay
focused and not sort of get swept away with that
sort of buyers remorse that we get sometimes. So they
can be really really useful just helping you stay focused
on those things that you can control.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Lovely work Doogle as always. Thank you so much. Clinical Psychologists.
Google Sutherland from Umbrella well Being with us this morning.
Thank you so much for your feedback. Before eleven o'clock,
I was say, my son turned six months tomorrow? Does
he turn six months? Do you turn six months? He's
six months old tomorrow, which means of course, we are
about to tackle solids. He's he's teething at the moment

(01:28:07):
as well, which is very, very tricky indeed. But anyway,
I've all as I was saying before eleven o'clock, all
the cliches ring true for me. Thank you for your feedback. Jack.
I'm in tears remembering my son at that age. He's
now twenty three. As you say, time flies, says Sharon. Jack.
Lovely to hear about your beautiful son this morning. Jack.
I love hearing about your wee boy treasure each day.
They will never be repeated, says Anne and Jack. I

(01:28:30):
enjoy your son's stories with envy. The messy one was
way back for me. My fifty five and nearly fifty
two year old sons missed a lot, and now they
look after me. Funny how life goes full circle, says Georgie.
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Before midday, We've got new music from Brett McKenzie, he

(01:28:51):
of Flight of the Concord's fame, plus your book picks
this weekend. Have a couple of crackers, including this one
from Stanley Tucci called What I Ate in One Year?
It's a very direct title, isn't it. But you know
he's been doing the whole series of food TV shows,
and so yeah, he's released this new book, What I

(01:29:11):
Ate in One Year? So I'll tell you a little bit,
a little bit about that very soon. Eighteen past eleven
our Travel Correspondents and next.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Travel with Windy Woo tours where the World is Yours
for now.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Twenty one past eleven on news Storks, he'd be our
travel correspondent as Mike Yardley. And speaking of travel, sir,
it looks like Donald Trump might be traveling very soon.
The last words spoken in the joint press conference with
Vladimir Putin came from the Russian president, who turned to
his US counterpart and said, next time in Moscow.

Speaker 17 (01:29:45):
Yeah, yeah, so it certainly does.

Speaker 7 (01:29:47):
Yes. Yeah, anyway, I've been watching I've been watching Alaska
all morning, Jack, and I think the one word I've
gotten response the last six hours would be opaque. You know,
we just we don't quite know what those No, there's
clearly some sticking points. I think it would appear I've
made headway but maybe those phone calls to NATO in
Europe and Ukraine overnight will will settle the score.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Yeah yeah, I'm sure some stuff will be think over
the next few hours we'll get a little bit more detailed.
But yeah, no, I mean, you know, I'm open minded
obviously for the Ukrainians perspective. From the Ukrainians perspective, you
don't want to see some deal where by the US
is demanding the heaps of territory has given up. But
also you know, as finding stop so watch the space.

(01:30:30):
I suppose anyway, we are turning our attention to slightly
more peaceful climbs this morning self driving the Sunshine Coast hinterland,
and that hinterland and the Sunshine Coast just feels a
total kind of world away from the from the beaches
and the coast. What is the attraction?

Speaker 7 (01:30:46):
Well, I didn't miss the fabulous thing about the Sunshine Coast, Jack,
because the beach culture is great, but the fact you
can zip up into the verdant highlands in just twenty
minutes is so cool, you know, just sort of such
a rich mix of holiday pursuits when you're over there
and from Auckland there are now a year round wrecked

(01:31:07):
flights to Maruci door, so it's super easy to get
to you don't have to go through Brisbane. The thing
about the hinterland and the reason I'm a hardcore fan,
You've just got so many treats, these cute and cozy
mountain villages, national parks and so many scenic attractions as
well that you can just all stitch together on a

(01:31:27):
self drive.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
So where would be a good starting point.

Speaker 7 (01:31:31):
Well, I would probably head up to the northern end
to your Monday. It's a very charismatic township. The signature
draw they Monday Markets, which attract millions of people every year.
Apparently it's one of the Southern Hemisphere's biggest artisan markets,
so they have about six hundred stalls on a Wednesday
and a Saturday. The setting is just so gorgeous because

(01:31:53):
it's staged under these sprawling fig trees with the most
colossal canopy. It's just gorgeous. And the thing is get
there early for breakfast because you could just stop yourself
to But at these markets, I always go straight to
the Langosh Caravan Tek. You can't have a better start

(01:32:14):
to the day than with the Langosh, particularly when it's
slathered and garlic, paprika, sour cream and cheese. Yeah yeah,
that's the starting.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Yes, if that's where you're starting, where would you base yourself?

Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
Well down the road from your Monday I stayed in
Yandina a couple of weeks ago and it's a very
laid back, leafy township, very central to all of the
hinterland draws. If you've ever fancied staying in one of
those quintessential country ossie pubs with a big wrap around balcony,

(01:32:49):
the Yandina Hotel is a classic. It's from the eighteen eighties,
this pub and from Yandina one of the best touring
routes strung across the hinterland. The fifty five k is
called the Blackhall Range route. So grab a rental car
and just go crazy on this route because it just

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tethers all of those villages and lockouts and hiking spots together.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Nice. So what would you recommend in terms of national
parks if you're like a bit of a stroll.

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
Yeah, Well, the funny thing about Queensland's national parks is
they tend to be pocket to parks compared to our
national parks. You know, the very sort of short and
sweet experiences the two. I really like Mapleton Falls National Park.
They've got this really cool trail beer called the one
Pi Circuit, and it's good for the nose jack because

(01:33:43):
it's heavily scentered with eucalypse, very fragrant, and then it
climaxes with this wide curtain waterfall of the Mapleton Falls.
Close by even better Condolilla National Park. If you like
your lush rainforest scenery, you will be in heaven. And
after threading your way through the rainforest, it finishes off

(01:34:06):
the swimming hole fed by this long drop waterfall. The
only sticking point. You will probably be sharing that swimming
hole with all sorts of loved up young things filling
their Insta feed. So go early in the day. Yeah, okay,
I tell you I was photo bombing so many people.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, I know exactly, just kind
of seen you describing there. So would you say Montville
is one of Australia's prettiest villages.

Speaker 7 (01:34:37):
Yeah, it would have to be a hot contender. The
moment you're first to lay eyes on the main street
of Montfhl, story book is the word that comes to mind.
You know, it's just one of those ridiculously adorable townships.
It's catnet for tourists, kind of like a gray town
or an arrow town Sunshine coastyle. There's a huge creative

(01:34:58):
community in monfl So if you're after some local art,
Monfla is where you should go. The Monfhyl Gallery. I
just love gallery. There's over forty local artists who display
their wares there, and I mean it spans all art genres.
The glass art is really good. The paintings, the landscape
and the seascape paintings, they slay me every time. Really impressive.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
Yeah, nice, Okay. What draws the crowds to Mulaney, Well.

Speaker 7 (01:35:28):
Yeah, further down the black ll range, Mulaney is a bumpertown.
For foodies, we'll probably talk about food and drink next week.
But for artisan producers, Mulaney is just extraordinary in terms
of its production. The other interesting aspect to Malaney it
seems to attract a lot of kooks. So when you

(01:35:48):
walk down the main street, you feel like you're in
the world capital of alternative healing. I passed by businesses
offering crystal healing, monica healing, cosmic dieting, whatever the hell
that is. Aerial hemmer healing which sounds fun, soul breathing,

(01:36:12):
and even indigenous plant based can secures, which I thought
was a very big cause. So there is something that
everyone in Milany jack.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
Okay, yeah right, it's one of those kind of crowds.
Fair enough, speaking of something for everyone, Mulaney's bird World
has the scored a big goal.

Speaker 7 (01:36:31):
Yes, Trip Advisor has just ranked this as Queensland's number
one attraction, which is nothing to sniff at, but just
out of town. This is our heads whirl of tropical
bird life. So bird World is based at Australia's largest
private botanical garden. It's like the mother of all menageriees.

(01:36:52):
So they've got four free flight walk through Avery's and
they are throbbing with over seven hundred birds. You feel
like you've been imprisoned in a massive menagerie. I haven't
experienced Avy in intensity quite like what you experience at

(01:37:12):
bird World. The parrots particularly, they land all over you
or mess head, shoulders, knees and toast and some of
these birds a legends. So they've got Coco, the eighty
five year old Amazon parrot who still raucously sings opera
at eighty five. Wow, so particularly if you're traveling with kids. Yeah,

(01:37:33):
Bird World is absolutely unmissible.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
Oh so good. All right, thank you very much, sir. Well,
we're going to make sure all your tips for self
driving the Sunshine Coast in the Hinterland and the Sunshine
Coast are up on the News talk z'b website. We
will catch you again next weekend. Make guard our travel
correspondent don't forget beforeer day to day, we are going
to play you some of Brett Mackenzie's new solo album.
It's called freak Out City. Plus, Daniel Silva has got

(01:37:56):
a brand new read, so our book reviewer Catherine Rains
has read that she's going to give us her thoughts
on Daniel silver what he's at New York New York
Times number one best selling author about a gazillion times over,
so she'd tell us about his latest thriller when she
joins us very soon. Next up, we'll see what's planned
for this afternoon on Weekend Sport. Massive weekend Sport ahead,
so looking forward to that. Almost eleven thirty on News

(01:38:17):
Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Getting your weekend started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 9 (01:38:27):
Is Business Time is business time, Yes, best.

Speaker 10 (01:38:36):
The business time.

Speaker 8 (01:38:38):
I don't know what you're trying to say. You're trying
to say your time for business, business time.

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Guess the best.

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Guess the besusiness time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Yeah, twenty seven to twelve on News Talks EDB. We
knew he was coming in, so we just had to
give him the special number. Jason Pine is here with
us today in person. Such a treat and here for
weekends sport. Good morning, sir, more than a jack. Great
to see great to see you greatest the Warriors get
up to my goodness, that last ten minutes last night
was stressful.

Speaker 23 (01:39:12):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
Can you imagine all of him? Like at the coach's box.
We were talking this morning, just just after living with
our clinical psychologists about the long term effects of everyday stresses,
and I was like, maybe, like next week we need
to do the long term effects of being a Warriors fan,
because yeah, it was it was a lot.

Speaker 24 (01:39:28):
It was just important they won though, right because after
three straight defeats, it doesn't matter really how you do it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
It's just that you do it.

Speaker 24 (01:39:35):
And what it's done is you look at the table
this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
It doesn't lie.

Speaker 24 (01:39:38):
Here's the Warriors back and forth with their destiny now
in their own hands, three games to go, win them all.
They're in the top four. I know there's a lot
of water to flow under the bridge before that happens,
but getting that win last night was so crucial. And yeah,
they'll freely admit they were nowhere near their best. But
as I say, sometimes you just got to win the game,
and anyway you can win ugly, eke it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Out, squeak it at the result. So you're talking Warriors
after midday today? Yeah, Rache assistant coach on the show.
There are lots of calls obviously on that, but yeah, no,
good to it. But it's such a busy weekend yet
there's so much I know, it's crazy that you and
I are very excited because the English Premier League is
kicked off, but of course the Rugby Championship tomorrow morning
nine o'clock Newstalks. He'd be or have live coverage. How
are you feeling about this game with lost pumas?

Speaker 24 (01:40:21):
Curious actually to see how they go. I'm damed very
strong side. The All Blacks look apart from Wallace to
tit and to Mighty Williams sore both injured. I think
it's the strongest possible site that can be put out.
So it's a real statement of intent from Scott Robertson.
I think we all admit that the French series, you know,
it was good at times. Yeah, but there was bits
that that we needed to see more from, or there

(01:40:43):
were parts of the All Blacks game we need to
see more from. So look, it's a it's an intriguing prospect.
The Pumas are not the walkovers they used to be.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
Yeah, it's really changed. I mean, you know, the dynamics
in world rugby have obviously changed over the last few years,
but they've had some impressive results of late. I mean,
you know on our shores.

Speaker 24 (01:41:02):
Else Yeah, they've made us see last year. Oddly they've
never beaten us over there.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:41:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:41:07):
Twenty one all drawer in nineteen eighty five the closest
they got on that day. Hugo Porter four penalties and
three drop goals. He kept all twenty one points for
Argentina that day. He's on the show this afternoon, just
after one. He's still a very close observer of Argentine
and rugby, plus left some great memories, so have a
chat to him. Tall Blacks as well, tonight in action
against China in the semi finals of the Asian Cup Basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
It's a possible eight. It's a very we beat them recently.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
Right yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:41:33):
Yeah, and other side of the drawer Australia, I run.
I think it is the out of the court another
semi so we could be on a.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
Result was just so good. Twenty one points down yet incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:41:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah, to come back from that in the Lebanese like
the shots of the Lebanese team and their supporters, they
just sort of look completely flummy.

Speaker 7 (01:41:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:41:50):
Blood the end of it is that happen distraught? Yeah,
but no, so there's a bit of sl GP. The
darts is on and as you say, the Premier League
football season. We'll try and cover off as much of
it as we can. Yeah, you're going to be a
busy man, not wanting for content. This afternoon, Jason Pine
with us for Weekendsport right after the midday news, kicking
off with a look at that incredible Warriors when last night.

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
Thank you very much, sir. Thanks Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team fulk Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Twenty one to twelve on news Talks, he'd be time
to catch up with our book reviewer Katherine Rains for
her recommendations this weekend. Hey you, Catherine, Hi Jack. Two
very different sounding books for us this morning, but both
of them tantalizing in their own ways. Let's begin with
the latest from Daniel Silver. An inside Job.

Speaker 26 (01:42:37):
So Gabriellen and his last few books had resigned from
Masad and he his favorite activity is restoring paintings. So
together with his wife Chiara and his two children, they
live in Venice and they run a company that's about
restoring art and life's pretty good for him. He's kind
of worrying about his daughter Irene a little bit. He's
a bit of an activist streak, and his son Rafael,
who's great at mathson but also has his father's talent

(01:43:00):
for art. And then all of a sudden, life, of course,
becomes less peaceful when he finds a body floating in
the waters of Venice, and it turns out to be
a story of art who used to work in the
art department at the Vatican. And Gabrielle, of course still
sees and remembers things that others don't and makes mental
connections that others miss and he gets involved in situations
that he just won't let go of until he works

(01:43:21):
out what has gone on, and questions lead Gabrielle to
this unknown Leonardo da Vinci painting which the role was
in a financial scandal and concerns the Vatican and it
might become a real disaster for the Church. So he
follows the threat of the story from its lead to France,
to art experts, to multiple countries, to organized crime, to
the in the workings of the Vatican. And it's not

(01:43:42):
so much now a spy novel. It's more an art
heist novel, and it's really focused on that financial world
and the world of art, and it's fast paced and
the secrets and art history and the Vatican and lots
of beautiful localities and planning your twists and turns and
the action unfolds you around you like almost like you're
on a cinematic journey.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Yeah, well sounds fantastic. He's so good, a Daniel Silva.

Speaker 9 (01:44:04):
Very good.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
Yeah, Yeah, there's a reason he's Yeah, you're taught the
best sellers how many times? So that's an inside job.
His latest read next up, What I Ate in One
Year by Stanley Tucci.

Speaker 26 (01:44:16):
So Stanley Tucci is an actor and he starred in
various movies. Probably the one he's most well known for
is The Devil Words Prouder and this is our Foody Memoir.
And he writes this from January the second, twenty twenty
three to January the second, twenty twenty four, and there's
recipes and things about his travels and about his family
and his children and friends and friends of friends sharing meals,

(01:44:36):
and that reads like diary entries with the actual dates
throughout the year, and he sometimes actually talks about what
his wife and kids ate on a particular day and
the other life happenings that are going on. And there's
these beautifully mouth watering details of the meals and those
simple home cooked dishes to these extravagant feasts at high
end restaurants. And he has this reliability to connect food

(01:44:59):
with personal memories and cultural insights. And you get recipes
throughout the book that invite you to try some of
those dishes. And he knows as food and he relishes
food and the role that it plays. And you know,
he just reflects but on his personal life and his
parenting and his children and his wife Felicity, and he
balances worth, humor and a bit of self reflection and yeah,

(01:45:19):
and those memorable meals that he has. And it's not
just about food, it's about connection. But it almost almost,
I might say, inspires you to spend some time in
the kitchen experimenting with new foods and recipes.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Almos quiet almost Yeah, Yeah, you weren't pushed over the edge. Yeah,
because he's he's had one of two TV shows doing
the same thing. Yeah, yeah, he has memoir kind of yeah,
sorry you go.

Speaker 26 (01:45:42):
He's written a memoir before Taste as well, so it
kind of follows along from that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:47):
It's fantastic, all right, looking forward to both of those.
Thank you, Catherine. So what I ate in one year
is the new read from Stanley Tucci. An Inside Job
is Daniel Silver's latest. We'll make sure all the details
for both of those are up on the news talks.
He'd the website eighteen to twelve new music from Brett
McKenzie heat a Flight of the Concord's Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
Next, giving you the inside scoop on All you need
to Know This Saturday Morning with Jack Dame us Talks
it be.

Speaker 10 (01:46:20):
I can't believe or.

Speaker 13 (01:46:23):
I oh my dead calls me, yes is all my
song got light on the jobbing doing on my us.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Use that said, that is Brent Mackenzie. You recognize the
voice a kind of an ecliptic little sound, isn't it.
The song is called Freekat City, the album is called
freakat City. Is Stelle Clifford is our music review. She
never freaks out, but she's with us now morning.

Speaker 27 (01:47:03):
Not if it could happen to you. It could happen.
It's just it's so kta Like I'm already singing along
to this album and I've only given it a couple
of lessens yesterday. But there's just something about his music
that gets under your skin, and I like that it's
kind of got Like that song in particular, has this

(01:47:24):
like disbelieving Wow, can you believe that this can kind
of happen? Yeah, but it still has this sort of
like humor running underneath it and delivered in that quirky,
fun kind of way that I think this is Brett
Mackenzie's thing now, isn't it? Like you could imagine it
could become a whole show. I think the live version

(01:47:46):
of this would be quite fascinating, And I don't know,
I almost expect it to be like a musical show,
like a stage show.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
Yeah right, No, it does.

Speaker 7 (01:47:56):
It does sound like that.

Speaker 27 (01:47:57):
Yeah, I don't know if you think this whole album
should be a stage show, but there's kind of got
that that sound behind it, and I think that speaks
a lot into how he's done so well at creating
a career for himself and that he writes music for
film and those kind of productions. And he's also so
this album here, he wanted to do it like it
was like a seventies live band, So he wanted that

(01:48:19):
kind of sound. And I also really liked that he
wanted to pay tribute to his dad. So his dad
passed away a couple of years ago, his biggest fan,
as you are with you with your children. But he
really liked music that you could hear the lyrics, understand
the lyrics, and you could sing along. Yeah, And so
that's what he's really captured well here. I think a
lot of Brett Mackenzie's music is like that. You can

(01:48:41):
pick up on the lyrics, the catchy melodies, and then
before you know it, you know the songs and you're
you're singing along to them. So I kind of love
that he's had that in the back of his mind
while creating this and outside of film, which comes with like,
we want the song to be this long, it has
to have this in it, it has to have this beat.
He gets to play a little bit more when he
does his individual stuff. But still I think with that

(01:49:04):
quirky storytelling.

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
I mean, it's still very quirky story because he's an
incredible Like the thing is with Far of the Conquers,
I feel like people kind of forget just how talented
they are as musics. I mean obviously and the comedians
and all of that, but like Brit Mackenzie has real
musical chops.

Speaker 27 (01:49:22):
Absolutely, this is a This is a guy who grew
up as a kid being He grew up in the
National Youth Orchestra right like so, and he played did
he play o bo or something something obscure and jazz
musician background, which means they they are able to jam,
they're able to follow a lead. And he tests his
life band with that quite a lot. And he's not
afraid to leaven. I wouldn't say the mistakes, but the

(01:49:45):
stuff that kind of naturally happens. He's quite good at
capturing that. I think he likes the thrill of that live,
crazy setting Ye to go. So if you can capture
that energy and put it into music, even though there
might be some underlying dark humor, there might be some
quirky little sound effects that go into the production, there's
there's yeah, there's like a lot of talent that goes mind.

(01:50:08):
I think it also says a lot when you go
back and listen to Flight to the Concords how much
he must have been quite the driving force behind writing.

Speaker 7 (01:50:15):
A lot music.

Speaker 27 (01:50:16):
The music, ye, and then the delivery and performance sort
of came from there. This is a guy who's born
into music. Really, isn't he? A real beautiful song that's
on this album. He actually has finally written a song
for his wife. I mean, they've only been together for
nearly three decades, and it's got this real New Orleans
jazzy vibe, which I think again plays into that quirky

(01:50:38):
sort of music when the full band's walking down the
street having a festival.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
It's got that.

Speaker 27 (01:50:43):
I think he should pay tribute to her. I don't
imagine it's easy to be with someone who's a traveling muso,
so to share his love for her and oh yeah,
I think it's it's a really pretty beautiful song. It's
quite simple, I guess in its creation. But some of
the best love songs are for sure. You don't have

(01:51:03):
to have a bit too tricky about it, right, All
I need is that song, and yeah, it gave me.
It's got the warm, fuzzy feel and I think actually
a lot of this album kind of does it made
me feel happy, Like overall this album he'd be talking
about social commentary on what's happening in life, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
But but the extra style is so is there anything
So there's nothing that's too sort of Maudlin or you know,
there's no ballady kind of things. It's all it's all
everything's quite yeah, right.

Speaker 10 (01:51:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:51:32):
Again, he's someone who's he's quite open about his fandom
for Paul McCartney, and so it has that songwriting kind
of style. He could just easily play this music guy
and his guitar, or then he can add that full band,
full production and there's there's more of that, there's more
of the orchestral full band stuff. Maybe some of the
songs would be just as beautiful and nice if he

(01:51:53):
did scale it back a little bit, which he does
a little bit on the All I Need Is Love song,
but predominantly it's got that full band kind of big
brightness and backing about it. And and that's okay though,
Like if that's where he to play and he wants
to be surrounded by lots of people, then so be it.
He's going to be touring this album in the States
in October and teasing that he might be back to

(01:52:16):
tour this album late summer for us.

Speaker 17 (01:52:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:52:19):
Great, you'll have the album well under your skin by
the time, you know, he gets to And if you
just want some quirky energy, there's a bit of somber jazz.
He's been influenced by a lot of styles, but for
the most part as a pretty upbeat take. Let's not
get too low and glom on what's happening, you know,
like it's happening, but let's have a positive outlook on
what that means.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
So very good? Okay, cool? So what did you give it?

Speaker 27 (01:52:42):
It's an am for me?

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
Okay, yeah, I will very much time. So The Freak
Out City is the album from Britt McKenzie. Will play
but more than a few minutes. Thank you so much
of Stelle Hostelle. Clifford is our music reviewer and she'll
be back with us again this time next Saturday morning.
Right now, it is just gone eight minutes to twelve, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
You Saturday Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks AB Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
It's been a big weekend already, big weekend here. Don't
forget of course that News Talks ABB is gonna have
live coverage of the All Blacks and the Pumas in
Game one of the Rugby Championship twenty twenty five. That
is Manyana tomorrow morning, live from Corridolla in Argentina. Elliott
Smith and Ants Strong will have the call, so tune
in from nine. I think kickoff is at about ten
past nine tomorrow morning. Thank you so much for all

(01:53:34):
of your text and emails throughout the morning on Newstalks EDB.
So good to hear from you. For everything from our show,
you can go to News Talks, heb dot Co, Dolim
ed Ford slash Jack. That's the easy way to do things.
Thanks as always to my wonderful producer Libby for running
the ship and Jason Pine is standing by to take
over this afternoon. Looking that amazing Warriors result last night

(01:53:55):
and talking to a hero of a famous Argentine Rugby victory.
We're going to leave you with Brett McKenzie. Though his
brand new album is Free Cout City. This song's called
All I Need. I'll see you next week starting.

Speaker 10 (01:54:08):
In your.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
There is a music to my.

Speaker 10 (01:54:19):
Somebody your man.

Speaker 11 (01:54:24):
I can sing your soby, not a notion you consent,
not a soul that you could.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Not amount to scan.

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Lar.

Speaker 10 (01:54:45):
Just hope the staves. I hope you have never had.

Speaker 11 (01:54:56):
Sob last adoption, Well, I think you your heart to.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
Go, oh honey, yeah you got it all.

Speaker 13 (01:55:10):
When I think you do, you get muscle, you god, Yeah,
you got your.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Your honey go.

Speaker 13 (01:55:27):
You all the honey, Yeah you got it oo.

Speaker 10 (01:55:32):
When I'm thinking you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Got my sol.

Speaker 10 (01:55:38):
You all line, Yeah, you got it all.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
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