Full Show Podcast: 16 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Good morning, and welcome to Saturday Morning with Jack Tame.
I'm for Jessica Rudkin filling in for Jack. Good to
have you with us. One of the most anticipated films
of the year was released on Thursday. Bridley Scott's Gladiated
two is hugely entertaining, but it's also got some interesting
performances and the plot is very similar to the original.
Chris Schultz will give us his though on the film shortly.

(01:08):
One of my favorite cookbooks from twenty twenty four is
The Two Raw Sisters More Salads, and I'm delighted that
Raw Sister Margo Flanagan is going to join us this
hour with her recipe for a grilled asparagus with mint,
lemon and pine nut salcer. Sounds good, doesn't it. And
Andrew Saville joins us. Can the All Blacks make it
three out of three? Tomorrow morning on the Northern Tour

(01:29):
against France, I reckon.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
They can franchiers good.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
On Tuesday, the Prime Minister, the leader of the Opposition,
and public sector leaders formerly apologized to survivors of abusing care.
They spoke with sincerity and an understanding of what these
victims had been through, But the most powerful words of
the day belonged to survivors the abusing care role. Commission
of inquiry took six years, the final reporters three thousand
pages long and features one hundred and thirty recommendations. Tuesday

(01:56):
was the first step in addressing this horrific abuse of
vulnerable people, acknowledging it through a formal apology. This might
not sound like much, but many a leader and opposition
has spoken out about this issue, only to shy away
and protect the Crown from liability when in power. So
it was something. But as we all know, as sincere

(02:17):
and empathetic as those words were, it's what happens next
that matter is the actions taken that will make a
difference to survivors lives. It is the responsibility of this
government and those to come to support survivors of abuse,
hold those responsible accountable and prevent it happening again. And
this is a difficult task. There are many individual circumstances

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over an extensive period of time, committed by a variety
of institutions. It is going to take some time to
structure a system through which people are fairly compensated, but
they must be compensated. Money doesn't make up for what happened,
but for those who have been abused, ignored, lived lives
filled with trauma and shame, some unable to live their

(02:59):
life their lives to the full hold down, full time
jobs have fulfilling relationships. Compensation is a form of validation
and goes some way to healing the pain. When asked
about what some have termed the can of worms, the
inquiry and apology has opened. I was impressed with Prime
Minister Chris Luxen's resolve to deal with it while acknowledging

(03:21):
it will be messy and hard and that the government
will not satisfy everyone's expectations. But just because something is
hard doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. If you're in
politics and avoid doing something which is so fundamentally right
and moral because it's hard, then please pack up and
go home. For victims waiting for up to seventy years

(03:41):
for redress, I can understand the skepticism about what comes next.
Something tells me, though, that Eric Stanford, the lead coordination
Minister for the government's response to the report, can do
hard things. The Prime Minister, who has read all three
thousand pages of the Royal Commission, reports that if you
want to understand the gravity of what's happened, go and
read a few of the survivor's accounts. And I took

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his advice and this is what I got from it.
This is not a redress we want to do halfheartedly. Equally,
it needs to be done with some urgency. While the
government is hoping to have a structure and process in
place for better financial redress in the first half of
next year, there is also the challenge of making sure
this does not happen again. And how far the government

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will go to legislate against abuse and care will show
us how committed they are to taking responsibility. So let's
just do this once. Let's do this right. Let's do
all we can to make sure it never happens again.
Francesca yep so not interested in focusing on the barriers

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to fixing this horrific wrong. Let's not make excuses about
how hard it will be or how expensive it will be.
Let's just get on and fix it and give survivors
of respect and the dignity they deserve. As always, very
keen to hear from you. You can text on ninety two
ninety two Given Milne is with us. Next, it is
eleven past nine on Newstalk CBS.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Done your weekend on in Style for Saturday Mornings with
Francesca Rudkin, Infra Jack tam and be pure quality supplements
for essential energy news Talks'd.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Be lovely to have you with us. It is fourteen
past nine. Good morning and welcome to Kevin Milne. How
are you, Keivin?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Thank you Francesca excellent though I thought this morning I
might pay tribute to two superb communicators. One you'll know,
the other maybe not. Did you used to listen as
a kid to lindsay Oh on the radio? No, or
we're not in his neck of the words?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
No, not in the neck of the world.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, No, he passed away during the week and Nelson
aged seventy eight. Lindsay O used to host the breakfast
show on two ZB for many years. This was before
the ZEDB network switched to the news and talk format.
Breakfast shows back then didn't just bring in huge adult audiences.

(06:03):
But I have to tend to wait when Lindsey rang
the bell. Much of the show was devoted to the
kids before they head off to school. People your aid
Francesca are just as likely to remember Lindsay's character Buzzo
Bumble that the man himself created as a parent. I

(06:23):
remember taking our older boys for the Buzzo Bumbles show
at the Wellington show Building, and when Buzzo Bumble got
married to Belinda, thousands turned out to parades throughout Wellington
and the Hut Valley. Lindsay Joe was essentially a showman.
He had a fabulous radio voice, he could sing, he

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could act, he was funny and he was hugely popular.
A lot of our listeners will be feeling the loss
at Sydney's at Lindsay's passing this week, and speaking of
people who are funny and can act, I had the
pleasure of sitting in on the astonishing talents of Stephen
Pry on Thursday night a rack on tur his touring

(07:09):
shows simple He walks out on stage, sits on a
comfry chair and yarns away to the audience for over
two hours about the mainly funny things that have happened
in his life. Often they've involved uber famous people he
that he knows, like King Charles, the Queen Mother he
knew her, Diana, Paul McCartney, Rowan Atkinson, Steve Jobs, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

(07:36):
And he mimics all of those people to perfection. I've
never heard yarms told so eloquently and with such ease
as Stephen prided on Thursday Night. His stories when all
all funny. They he described life being bipolar, a condition
he shares with so many others and volunteers so much

(07:58):
time too. I've never heard a clearer description of the
bipolar mind than Stephen Prize on Thursday night, for which
I'm very grateful. It was a superb night. Francesca, I
noticed that he's been.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
In the news recently criticizing the weight loss drug os
in pic which he gave a world Did he talk
about that.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
No, not not in not many left that was mentioned
in a broader In a broader conversation he covers such
a huge amount of ground actually, but no. He of
courses in he wades into controversy with great deal of

(08:40):
these and I suspect quite a lot of pleasure.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think you right. But he does have this beautiful
way of communicating that I'm sure that everybody found like
they were sort of sitting in the living rooms at
home having a conversation with them.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's superb.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Actually, he's a.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
You leave thinking I'm never going to do a public
speech again, thinking, oh, I thought I was quite good
at you know, chatting and all that sort of thing,
but his his way with words is extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, I've really enjoyed his books. Actually, I brought the
books for my teenagers, the Heroes and Troy and see
in various other you know, books that he's written, and
nextually I've ended up really enjoying as well. He's very
multi talented gentleman.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
He is.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
In fact, some of the stories that he told heard
I thought I've heard this port somewhere, and I realized
I had. I had read his autobiography, but I can't
remember the name of it now, but something Oh no,
I can't remember it now, but yeah, wonderful, wonderful stories
about the rich and the famous. They're just classics.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, Kevin, I will leave you to then ponder how
you're going to present your life and words. Yes do
we not asked to do a speech. Thank you very
much for your time today, Love you to catch up.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Okay then thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Andrew Saville is going to be with us next. We're
going to talk of course All Blacks and the All
Whites were playing had their first match in Hamilton last
night as well. It is in nineteen past.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News Talks'.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
B thank you so much for your text Sally text
to say, I remember Buzz and Belinda. We named our
dogs after them. Rest in peace. Lindsay and Moe text
to say Buzz and Bumble and Lindsay Yo was as
famous as Dick Evans and Leo the Lion. So thank
you for your texts and your thoughts there on Lindsey
ninety ten Nunty two is the text if you'd like
to text anytime throughout the morning. Now we're going to

(10:53):
talk sport and joining me now is Andrew Savil.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Good morning, good morning, how are you.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I'm very good to thank you. Let's get straight to it.
Can the All Blacks make it three out of three
on the Northern tour tomorrow morning.

Speaker 7 (11:04):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I think if they play the way they against the
Irish and maybe have to soak up some heat early on,
but not take a backward step and then stick to
their plans, I think they should beat the French. The
French have lost probably half a dozen or so players
from that team that the All Blacks lost to if

(11:25):
you remember back to the opening game of the World Cup.
So the French are a little bit under strength. I've
only had one game and that was against Japan last
week as a warm up to the autumn season, so
and the All Blacks are battle hardened. Plenty of intrigue
in this game. For me, I can't wait to see
Ardie Savia back at seven. Disappointing with Sam Kane as
he bids farewell to this All Black side, but looking

(11:48):
forward to seeing Ardie Savia back in an open side
flank position, and I think that's where he'll remain over
the coming years. I'd say form permitting injuries, permitting to
the next World Cup. Wallace the TZI at number eight,
which is his true position. And also can't wait to
see cam roy Guard start a big Test match. This

(12:09):
kid's very talented, the half back. He had that terrible
injury earlier this year and he's come back so well
from that. He's been off the bench a couple of times.
I think he probably should have started last week. But
he's getting a big chance tomorrow morning. So looking forward
to it.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yes, I mean these are big games. I like the
fact that Robertson's having a play around with the starting lineup.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yes, he has had two with Sam Kayne's injury, and
I think Roy Guard's form off the bench has been
strong enough for him to start. I'm also liking the
way the All Blacks finally are using their bench.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
They've got some.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Big ball playing forwards, big defenders on the bench for
late in the game, and they've played well. In particular,
the front row that's come on has helped the scrum
operate at at a peak level near end of games,
and they've been rewarded with penalties and that's one of
them a couple of games. Look, have we said it
before this tour the All Blacks would win two out

(13:05):
of the big three games. I would have said you'd
take that, and that's a pretty good tour. But now
they will be wanting to win three out of the
big three and really if they can beat France tomorrow
morning and then put little Away in Turin next weekend.
I think it has been a very good first season

(13:26):
for Scott Robertson and co. When it started off shakily.
They've had to bet in a lot of new stuff,
new management, new coaches. But I think overall, if they
can go through this tour unbeaten, that's a big tick.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You've put a tick in. You've put a tick by
that there, wouldn't you, I think? So you look really
hard to beat the English at home, really hard to
beat the Irish at home. But is this game tomorrow
do you think the biggest of the tour?

Speaker 8 (13:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I think the Irish Irish one was the biggest last
week and they played so well, especially in like the
tail end of the first half, tailing of the game,
the All Blacks played so well. So now I think
the Irish test was the biggest of this tour. But
the French, yes, down on down on firepower, but you

(14:08):
never know what the French side has burned through history
that there's always something waiting around the corner. And are
at home, you know, in a fantastic venue start to
France so wouldn't totally write them off, but I think
the All Blacks deserve to be pretty hot favorites for
this one.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, and I can't wait. Tim Selly is going to
retire from TIMS cricket after the series against England.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, it looks like he'll make a decision after this
upcoming England series about whether he carries on in white
ball cricket. I think there's a series against Sri Lanka
here maybe in the new year, so we're pretty much
bidding farewell to one of our greats in the coming weeks.
When he and Trent Bolt were at their peak together,
they were arguably like the best seam attack swing attack

(14:50):
in the world. What Tim Southey's done in the game
has been outstanding. He's taken a lot of Test wickets,
a lot of white ball wickets. His batting sometime has
sometimes have has left a bit of a scratching of
the and raising of the eyebrows, but that's the way
so that he's played and a lot of his cricket

(15:11):
and batted especially, he's been outstanding, stored of this team
for so long eighteen years, which is quite remarkable and
given he's a fast bowler and what those guys put
their bodies through. The He no, he didn't know. He
hasn't been injured much, which is which is quite remarkable.
I think he's a farm boy originally, so maybe that helped.

(15:34):
But just to just to last as long and put
his body through what he has done, you know, it's
been an outstanding career and I hope he's remembered fondly
by cricket and sports fans around the country because he
deserves to be.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm sure he will be. Hey, Hamilton hosted its first
all white match last night or all wise.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I couldn't believe it was the yearst time that ever held.
I'm sure they had practice games or maybe minor games
there before, but the first full international your Whites have
ever played in Hamilton and great to see homeboy Chris Wood.
Not a couple of goals Vanuatu not the fiercest competition
in the world, but the job had to be done

(16:14):
and they played well White. It's not a step towards
the twenty twenty six World Cup. They're all but assured
really of making the Oceania playoffs, which I think are
in Wellington next March, and then assuming they're whin. They're
off to the World Cup in twenty six, which is
Chris Wood's. One of Chris Wood's major goals left in
his career is to get back to a World Cup.

(16:34):
What he's doing in the Premier League is quite outstanding.
You've got to realize that for a New Zealander to
make it to the Premier League, there's a minute chance
that happening. And then for a New Zealander to play
ten twelve seasons in the Premier League and do what
he's doing at the moment scoring goals in Nottingham Forest,
that's a minute percentage chance. So that happening for New Zealand.

(16:55):
So it's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It was very kind of him to come all this
way back for these games because we're playing something on
Monday as well.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, pretty much, it doesn't matter who the opposition is.
I mean, really, he doesn't need to play Againstvan and
some more. The All Whites could still beat them. But
that shows his dedication to the Fern, dedication to his country.
He's always pretty much unless he's injured obviously, he's always
pretty much been available for his country, which speaks volume
for him.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, definitely, So that all whites one eight one against Vanawa.
Are you expecting something similar against some are in Auckland? Yeah, okay,
that's not more now Andrew, hypothetically speaking, how would you
feel if you'd trained for six months for a marathon
and then you were not able to reach your destination

(17:39):
because some winds meant the plane wouldn't land. How would
you feel about that? Oh, that's of course talking about
the Queenstown Marathon and people that unfortunately we're on flights
like yesterday and the planes couldn't land because of the winds.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Oh so they obviously didn't make it and come run
or couldn't run, No, not this morning. See that would yep,
that's that. That would be a bitter blow after all
that hard.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's tough, isn't it really tough? Have you ever run
a marathon?

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I think you'd probably keep training and try and find
a marathon somewhere else to complete, wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Where you're ready to go?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
You know, I've never done one. I've never had an
inkling of doing one. I couldn't think of anything worse.
But I've got a lot of respect for people that
do it.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
My god, yeahh look, good luck. Thanks so much save.
Really nice to catch up. Good luck to everyone who
is running the Auckland Marathon or a version of it
this morning. It is a beautiful marathon, incredible scenery and
I'm sure there'll be some great company along the way.
But yeah, I do really feel for people to unfortunately
when able to land last night. But what do you
do right safety? First off, the plane cant Land, the

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plank cant Land is just bad luck, isn't it?

Speaker 9 (18:45):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
My guest after ten this morning is Andy Allis, former
All Black Award winning landscape designer, author and now the
coast of the TV show Moving Houses. What can't this
man do? He actually does a really good job in
his first TV preson tingm Gig. We're going to find
out whether Andy Allis managed to stay awake on the
overnight journeys better than Clark Gayford did, and just how

(19:06):
to terrifying some of those trick trips were so Andy
Allis is with us on the show just after ten.
It's nine thirty with News Talks, eb.

Speaker 10 (19:17):
Love, a little adventure of a lifetime there Coldplay.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Of course, Coldplay kicked off their tour, their Sphears World
tour on Wednesday in Auckland marking the first time they've
played in New Zealand since twenty sixteen. That was eight
years ago. They performed again last night. They've got another
show tonight. These three shows have just been hugely popular
at Eden Park. They're playing to over crowds of over
fifty seven thousand every night. Music reviewer as Stale Clifford

(20:00):
was there last night. It was her birthday, so she
was celebrating. We're going to find out whether it was
the best birthday ever, Entertainment correspond at this morning. Chris
Schultz was also there last night, and from the look
on your face, something tells me that you, unlike everybody
else I've spoken to, didn't enjoyed Coldplay.

Speaker 11 (20:17):
Oh look, I don't want to rain on everyone's parade.
There's one hundred and sixty odd thousand people going to
these shows. I just found it a little bit like
a Hallmark greeting card come to life, mixed with like
a kid's TV show.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
So I've always said Colpe never do a bad gig.
You know, they're so professional, they're so good at what
they do. They've got the fireworks, they've got the screens.
It's so entertaining.

Speaker 12 (20:41):
But you.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, I know that you go to a lot
of concerts. Did you just feel that they were going
through the motions?

Speaker 11 (20:46):
Yeah, this is the two hundred and seventieth show I
think on this tour. So yeah, it did feel a
little like it was just so well rehearsed. You know,
every time Chris Martin swoops his arms out, the armbands
change color and they light up or they go off,
and it just felt very rehearsed.

Speaker 13 (21:03):
Let's just put it that way.

Speaker 12 (21:04):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Let's move on to things, which is what you're here
to do. Let's have a listen to Gladiator too.

Speaker 12 (21:12):
It is an art choosing gladiators.

Speaker 13 (21:16):
They're usually prisoners of war.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
I own you now. Rome has taken everything from me,
but I will have my vengeance.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, we've been waiting years for this number, haven't we
Twenty four years? It's back and it's I've got a
bit of a mix. I've got mixed thoughts on it.
You tell me what you thought about Ridley Scott's enture
back into the world of Gladiator.

Speaker 11 (21:44):
Ridley Scott is eighty six years old. He does not
have to be doing this, He doesn't need to be
making movies. This ver scirl this falon. I mean, this
is a violent, uber violent film, right, Like hands and
heads are lopped off, swords are going in places where
they really shouldn't. I kind of enjoyed it. I liked

(22:04):
how they built up the suspense. You know, it's about
these fights, these these Colisseum battles. They have the political
stuff going on in the background, raising the stakes for
each of these fights. It's very much the first film, right,
It's the first film, completely remade with different actors and
a bit of Russell crow and a new generation backstory. Yeah,

(22:26):
Paul wasn't messkill is great. I think he's not as
like solid as Russell Crowe. He's a little more understated.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
I have the gravitas as Russell Crowe.

Speaker 14 (22:35):
For me.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Well, look, I can protely agree with you. I thought
it was great production design. I think the decision, the
expensive decision to actually build the Colisseum and not UCGI,
worked brilliantly. I thought it, you know, it looked convincing.
I thought that the the action was shot brilliantly. It
was you know, hugely entertaining. There was sort of plenty
of camp craziness. But I was a bit disappointed at

(22:59):
how similar the plot was. And I wasn't one hundred
percent sure about Paul and what about Denzil Washington and
those leaves. He has this big costume with these massive
sleeves and he cannot stop playing with them, and I
was just like, is he trying to tell the costume
designer that the costume isn't working for him?

Speaker 11 (23:16):
The costumes were awesome. I love the costume. I thought
Denzel Washington was great. You know, in a trailer he
looked really out of place and everyone was complaining about it.
And I think in the movie he actually steals the show.
I haven't seen him playing a role like that where
he's sort of this manipulative ladder climber, right, He's trying
to get to the top, and he's playing everyone off
against each other.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I thought he was perfect, and he uses his words beautifully.
He delivers it a little bit like like Shakespeare.

Speaker 11 (23:40):
His life very Shakespeare.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
It really has fun with it, you know what.

Speaker 11 (23:43):
I reckon Ridley Scott had one scene in mind when
he first set out to make this movie, and you
know what, it's the middle scene. It's a battle in
the Colosseum. They filled it with water. They bring out
these two warships and they fight to the death and
there are sharks in the water. It's so over the top.
I don't know how historically accurate that is. Did that
ever happen? I don't know, but it looks incredible.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, no, no, I don't think we should be looking
for historical accuracy attitude, but you should definitely go and
see it on the big screen. It is worth it.
Let's have a listen to my old ass. I thought
it'd be happier at forty.

Speaker 9 (24:18):
You are happy.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
You don't look happy.

Speaker 13 (24:21):
I feel like you're having a midlife crisis.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Well, I feel like you're higher on mushrooms.

Speaker 13 (24:25):
So you don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Too, Elliott, No, not the whole bag. May you experience
a new level of consciousness to make Oh my god,
are you guys tripping? I love an edgy coming of
age story, and this one is screening on Prime Video
and I'll watch anything with Aubrey Plaza in it.

Speaker 11 (24:43):
Oh, she's almost like a genre into herself, right, I'm
the last three Aubrey Plaza films I've seen are like
an awkward crime caper, an awkward indie rom comm and
then like a Jason Statham action movie. But everything sort
of like bends towards her.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I haven't seen that yet. Friends get no, But that's
a category all of its own.

Speaker 11 (25:04):
I think she's great, She's actually not in this that.
So this is a film about an eighteen year old
she's leaving her parents Cranberry farm. She's she's leaving her
small town life, and she's going off to university and
then she meets a boy. But in the meantime, she
goes into the woods, she takes mushrooms with her friends,
and her thirty nine year old older self shows up.
And so it's sort of that question of how much

(25:25):
do you want to know about what's coming and would
you change anything along the way. This actually got me
a little bit at It's very emotional. I it caught
me in a bit of a low moment in the day.
And look, I'm not going to confirm or deny whether
it was raining on my face, but it may have
been as a.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Parent of a teenager who was about to leave home
and you're trying to sort of you got this moment
where you're trying to sort of impress some I don't know,
just some life knowledge or wisdom on them before they
head off on their own and they really just in
the cat they've sat at the horse near galloping off.
You know, it kind of did speak to me a
little bit. I love the way they did this. I

(26:02):
just thought this was really quirky and a little bit different.

Speaker 11 (26:04):
Mazy Stella the lead actor. The camera loves her. She's
going to be a big Stara. I think she's so
good on us and it's a real good platform for
her just to show off her talent.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I thought, I know that name, and I used to
watch that show Nashville, you know, the country singer. She
was one of the kids. She's like this crazy talented kid,
you know, singer. She's a singer and a songwriter as
well as an actor. And she was one of the
kids in Nashville.

Speaker 11 (26:27):
Yeah, okay, there we go.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Okay, all right, then brilliant two recommendations. They're Gladiator two,
which go to the cinemas and just watch it. It
is great entertainment. And my old ass which you will
find on Prime video. Hey, we were talking about the
rugby before, and I meant to mention that, of course,
being the home of sport, the game will be live
here on news Talks. He'd be Tomorrow morning at nine

(26:52):
ten a m. The All Blacks will be wearing white,
but Elliott Smith will have that live commentary for you
Sunday session. Won't be with you unfortunately tomorrow, but can't
wait to see how the rugby goes right. The key
to looking perfect asparagus and a lovely fresh asparagus recipe
is for your next you with Newstalk.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
There be no better way to kick off your weekend
than with Francesco. Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for
Jack Tame and BEP Pure Quality Supplements for Essential Energy
News talks at be.

Speaker 12 (27:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
We've got a fabulous recipe for you this morning. One
of my favorite cookbooks of the year is The Two
Raw Sisters More Salad, and I'm very more Salads and
I'm very excited to have Margo Flannigan, one of the
Two Rule Sisters, with us this morning. Good morning Margo,
Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 15 (27:43):
How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Love you to talk to you. You're going to talk
about You've got a lovely asparagus salad for us today,
But first of all, can you give us a tip?
Can you tell us the best way to cook asparagus?

Speaker 16 (27:54):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (27:54):
I sure can. I like it simple, hard and fast
and simple. So how I like to do it is
on a hot pan or hot barbie, add some oil
on the air, put the asparagus on lots of sea salt,
and I cook it for about I would say, four
to five minutes in total, just kind of turning every
now and again, but not too often, because you want

(28:15):
to get that nice chart on the asparagus, but you
don't want to overcook it. So it's really important to
just leave it for a minute or so on each
side before you turn, so that it gets a chance
to chart. That would be That would be my way.
That's not it's not rocket science, not delicious.

Speaker 13 (28:33):
I think I do like that.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Because, as you say, you get that, you get that
chart on that crunch, but you haven't overcooked it, and
it's all sort of just a bit soggy and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
not good of course sort of. At this time of
the year, we're starting to crave fresher, lighter foods, aren't we.
So tell us a little bit about this, This recipe
grilled asparagus with mint, lemon and pineanut salcer.

Speaker 16 (28:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (28:56):
I love this recipe. I think we make it. I thought,
let's make the most of asparagus season. I've got some
options as well for if you want to make this
recipe and asparagussm in sea. But veggie sides are just
so good, and you can pair this worth whether you
want a light dinner, whether it be with a green salad,
or if you want something a bit more substantial with

(29:17):
like Krispy potatoes or with a grain based salad. I
actually had this last night with some lamb Chrispy potatoes
and a green salad, and it was just the perfect
holiday barbecue dinner. It was, and it was so easy.
It was ready in like twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I wish I was it yours for dinner last night.
Nigo talk us through the recipe.

Speaker 17 (29:37):
Yeah, sure, so cook you asparagus first, I'd do that.
So just as I talked about before, hot pan or
barbie oil, sea salt cod for about four to five minutes,
and then we make our salsa. So this salsa as
well was really delicious. On sourdough is like a brunchy
type of thing. There's lots of different ways on how

(29:57):
you can use this. So avocado, so just chop up
an avocado into slick chunks. And then we've got a
cup of mint, just roughly chopped. So if you don't
have mint at home, you can use basil, you can
use parsley, coriander, you can use a mixture of herbs,
just whatever you've got in the garden or in the fridge.
And then we've got three tablespoons of pine nuts. We toasteeds.

(30:21):
I think it's toasting your nuts and seeds. It brings
out the flavor a lot more so it'd highly recommend
doing that. If you don't have pine nuts or pine
nuts are just out of your budget, you can use
any other nut or seed, whether that you pumpkin seeds, almonds, walnuts,
whatever you've got in the pantry again can be a
mix of a couple. And then we've got the juice
of one lemon. You can use a lime, you can

(30:42):
use preserved lemons. You can use a bit of apple
cider vinegar if you don't have either of those options.
And then we've got two tablespoons of extraversion olive oil,
half a teaspoon of chili flakes, and half a teaspoon
of sea salt. So put all of that in a bowl,
mix it together, and then top it over your fresh
sheet grilled asparagus, and it's as easy as that.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Another way you offer the simple swaps, and this is
something that you do throughout your cookbook, which is a
great idea for those of us who maybe imagination in
the kitchen is a little bit limited just about to
think about this themselves, but being able to swap out
the asparagus for the zucchini is a.

Speaker 17 (31:18):
Great idea, Yeah, for sure. And also you could do
like roasted eggplant quarters as well. Eggplants are coming into
season so they're becoming a bit more cheaper, so you
can you can do that too. So yeah, I think
it's just having the confidence to swap, especially as we
come into summer, if you're heading to the batch and
the pantry may not be as well stopped as what

(31:38):
you've got at home. It is really important to kind
of think outside of the box or think or have
the confidence to think, oh, yeah, i've got armonds of
the instead of pine nuts, I've got loads of zucchinis.
I can just use those instead and kind of use
the recipe as a guideline. There's a lot less stress
in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Absolutely, that pine nut salsa does that? Can you keep that.

Speaker 9 (32:00):
Does that?

Speaker 17 (32:00):
Does that last in the fridge because it's got avocado.
I would probably keep it for Maybe you can make
it three hours in advance if you like, But I
probably wouldn't keep it overnight. I'm quite fussy with my avocados.
I like them freshly cut. So I mean, if that
doesn't FaZe you, then sure it would last overnight. But yeah,

(32:22):
I would probably do it fresh there.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
And then I could probably stretch it overnight. Margo, it
sounds like I had quite a good breakfast.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
Hey, love you to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Thank you so much for the recipe. That was Margot
Flanagan there fillingham for Nicky. She is two raw sisters
have got a great cookbook out called More Salads, and
you'll be able to find that recipe on our website.
Newstalk ZIDB dot co dot m Z. It is eleven
to ten.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in for Jack Daim keeping
the conversation going through the weekend with Depewer policy supplements
for Essential Energy news talks, that'd.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Be Chris Stultz and I were talking about Gladiator to
this hour and he mentioned this fantastic scenes sort of
in the middle of the film, whereby they filled the
colosseum with water and they had these two sort of
Viking looking ships with different parties on them going at
each other and things. And I have a text saying

(33:20):
the Romans did fill the place with water and stage
to see battles. Not sure about the sharks, No, I'm
not sure about the sharks. I read that Ridley Scott
sort of did make the comment that, you know, obviously
there's a lot drawn from history here, but they did
have a little bit of fun with it. And then
the sharks did looked like great whites, like they tried
to pick the nastiest shark. They possibly good, the most
terrifying shack they possibly good. But it is an absolutely

(33:43):
fantastic scene, and they've got cameras on all these different
sort of parts of these boats as they're colliding into
each other, and it really is just fantastic fun. So definitely,
as I mentioned, we're seeing at the cinema. I'm quite
interested though, And what Estella's going to think about Coldplay?
I think you can't go to a bad Coldplay concert.

(34:05):
They are so good at what they do, so professional,
it's such an amazing show. Even if you're not a fan.
I think it's hard to leave without enjoying it. But
you know, and Chris is a seasoned concert goer, and
he just felt like they were going through the paces
and it was all ab schmultzy. So I'm very interested.
At the end of the hour, see how Estelle found it.
Lot you might have been this week. I've only heard
great things. Feel free to let me know what you

(34:26):
thought about it. You can text on ninety two ninety
two somebody text to ask what was the name of
the books that Kevin was? When I was talking to Kevin,
we were talking about Stephen frye. Stephen Fry has actually
written quite a few books, and he's written memoirs and novels.
But the books that I were talking about was Mythos

(34:49):
and Troy and Heroes I think was another one. So
these are sort of a collection of myths that he
retells and I don't know. I teenagers were really interested
in classics, so they were fantastic for them, and then
I opened them when actual things these are really great,
So there's a real raft on them. If you if
you just google Stephen fry books, that will all come

(35:11):
up there and I mentioned the Queenstown Marathon and John
got in touch to say it's the Tartanaki Coastal five
this weekend too. Half marathon kicked off at six fifteen.
He got a personal best time and great weather. It's
well done, John, good. Great to hear all all these
people out and about running around the countryside at the moment. Okay,

(35:33):
Andy Allie is with us next.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
You'll know.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Andy is a former All Black and Crusader. He's also
a landscape designer who's released a book called keb Backyard.
And now he is a TV presenter and actually he's
a really good TV presenter. He brings a lot of
energy and seems genuinely interested.

Speaker 12 (35:50):
In what he is doing.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
He has taken on the role of hosting the TV
show Moving Houses, which is a strangely compelling show, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (36:00):
Have you watched it?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
You'd think on paper, you know, and we're just going
to move homes around the country. Doesn't sound hugely interesting,
but it is. It's quite a thrilling show. Anyway. He's
a natural at this gig. But I'm very keen to
know whether he would actually ever move a house from
what he has seen from shooting this series. We're going
to find out next when he joins us here on
Saturday morning. Andy Alice is with us after the News,

(36:25):
and we have got some new music from Sam Fender.
This is his first new tune in two years. It's
called people Watching. He's announced a brand new album of
the same name. His last album, seventeen Going Under, was
named the greatest album in the world by n ME.
So we're going to finish out with a little bit

(36:45):
of Sam Fender back shortly.

Speaker 18 (37:08):
To the rail Bird of Remembered Gatty Way to Miles

(37:33):
in This Guy.

Speaker 19 (37:37):
Worth Befit, Scriple Guy, Return of the Time, the Man
until the Dead Game, Iverybody needs to Chat, somebody down and.

Speaker 20 (37:59):
Some escape.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
As it all, giving you the inside scoop on All

(39:07):
you need to Know. Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in
for Jackdame and be Fewer Quality Supplements for Essential Energy
News Talks at b.

Speaker 9 (39:40):
Good. Have you with us?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
This is Saturday Mornings on News Talks EB. I'm Francisco
bud Can filling in for Jacktame with you until midday.
Popular relocation series Moving Houses has returned for its third season.
It's one of those TV programs that shouldn't be anywhere
near as good as it is. It is a show
about big houses on the back of big trucks, moving

(40:02):
very slowly, but somehow Moving Houses captures all the elements
you'd want in gripping TV, dangerous spence, risk and reward
and taking over hosting duties is former All Black turn
landscaper Andy Allis. Andy has had a colorful rugby career.
He's play one hundred and fifty eight appearances for the Crusaders,
played twenty eight tests for the Boys in Black, won

(40:22):
the Rugby World Cup in twenty eleven, and has spent
time in Japan and other places. And now he is
on the Telly and Andy Allis joins us. Now, good morning,
good morning, Thanks having me on. What do you love
about this show Moving Houses? What did you enjoy the
most as you watch these homes come together? Literally?

Speaker 8 (40:43):
Honestly, when I reflect back on some of the moves
we did it it was always kind of the people.
It was the truck drivers who are amazing. Bloke said,
they're incredibly clever. You know this kind of number eight.
Why I'm mentally, nothing's ever a problem. They can always
get a house and to a certain place. It's amazing.
But also the people that were brave enough to kind

(41:04):
of to do it, oh you know, you know, put
their house on the back of a truck and and
oft and move it into pretty remote locations. Their stories
are actually really fascinating as well. So yeah, I really
enjoyed the meeting. All the people that were involved in it,
and I mean, obviously they moved themselves are pretty pretty dramatic.

Speaker 12 (41:22):
At times as well.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Would you move the house?

Speaker 12 (41:26):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, no no.

Speaker 8 (41:27):
After seeing this, it's it's it's an amazing way to
do it, you know, especially if you're trying to get
a place into somewhere really sort of remote.

Speaker 9 (41:35):
You know.

Speaker 8 (41:37):
Yeah, I don't know, I've I kind of I really
loved the idea of a giving one hundred year old villa,
you know, another another hundred years if you will, you know,
because a lot of them are getting moved, moved away
from sites where the development taking place, and you know,
you can't build some of these beautiful old places that
are full of old made of hard wood and you know,
beautiful features, and so.

Speaker 12 (42:00):
There's a little love loving kid that still needs.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
To go into them to get them back to their
former glory, but some of the people put in a
shift and they just came up amazing.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Andy, how incredible are these truck drivers and the trucks.
I mean, did you have any idea about how these
trucks had hydraulic plates that could leave their houses around
tricky bits and things.

Speaker 8 (42:18):
Not really, I'd watched a bit of the previous season,
you know, but when you actually experience it in real life,
I suppose it's quite mind blowing.

Speaker 12 (42:28):
And all the technology is actually New Zealand tech. The
trailers are built in Hamilton, and these things.

Speaker 8 (42:36):
Honestly, we a lot of the time we're loading up
at ten o'clock at night and then we're just jumping
the truck and we were into it for ten or
twelve hours, you know. And the place is that these
these houses can get to in these trucks and trailers
can get to is just phenomenal. You know, we're lifting
up over cars and busy streets, you know, at two
o'clock in the morning, or you know, we're having to
drop down, you know, to get under power lines and

(42:58):
move around here corners. And the amazing thing is each
of these wheels you like you said that Xles and
the wheels on the trailers move individually, so you can
really can swing these things around on ninety degrees. So
all of that stuff was pretty crazy to sort of
watch and be part of. And the beauty is like
we didn't have to set up any drama. There was
no Jeopardy set up, Like literally, you jump in these

(43:20):
things and you drive for twelve hours, like that's going
to happen, you know, I'm going to be honest.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
You could sort of see the fear at times in
your face, especially when you kind of keep suggesting that
the truck was sort of very close to the edge
of a road on the passenger side of which you
were on. I noticed that it were very it was
almost sort of a bit of a nervous reaction to
sort of remind the driver eater were very very close
to the interia, very close to the d here. There
was a quite a bit of that throughout the series.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
Oh yeah, I tell you what I mean that the
show on last Sunday seven thirty TV one.

Speaker 12 (43:52):
Do you like that little plug?

Speaker 9 (43:53):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Well done, you're learning, you're learning.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
Yeah, that was through the Nevist Valley, you know, and
that's the highest public road in New Zealand and a
house never been transported through there. So this is a
gravel road and there were sheer cliff drop offs hundreds
of meters and these truck drivers, you know, they sort
of say nothing really bothers them. They strike the shoulders
and get on with it. But it's not til you're
sitting in the passengers state and you're looking down and

(44:16):
it's literally two centimeters the tires, two centimes from the
cliff that you sort of start to worry a little bit.
And actually, this this Sunday, we do a move. I'm
not sure how much I'm allowed to give away, but
from Blenham to Farewell splits, so we've got to go
up and over parker Get Hill.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Oh my goodness, okay, and.

Speaker 12 (44:37):
What a big house that gets cut in half.

Speaker 8 (44:38):
And so it's the same sort of thing, but you know,
this one's at night, so it's probably a little bit
better because although you know, there's hundreds of meters have dropped.

Speaker 16 (44:47):
Right.

Speaker 12 (44:50):
So here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
It is at times really stressful and as you say,
these these drivers are just so professional and calm, but
at times in the cab you're kind of encouraging them
along or you're sort of just mentioning how close you
are to the edge. Were there times th shooting this
areas were you thought eachho, I just need to be
quiet here, I just need to be quiet. They don't
need to hear from me. This is quite stressful.

Speaker 8 (45:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think I probably annoyed the truck
drive drivers a little bit through the moves, you know,
sitting in a cab with me writing shotguns for twelve hours.
I don't know if that's that's all that easy. And
I'm a I'm a mouthy halfback, but did you know
I think the beauty is I actually got on so
well with all of them. You know, we we spend
most of the trip talking about the truck driver's ex post,

(45:33):
you know, footy career or mine, so we would get
on pretty well. So if I did start to chat
too much and things started to get pretty tight, they'd
pretty quickly just told me to put a lot on it,
just for a little bit, andy and until we get
around this next But you know, but because we we
hit power lines that snapped and stuff, so that can
be it can be pretty dangerous. So if I'm there
asking them, you know, hey, yeah, what do we do now?

(45:56):
You know, track drivers like, we'll just stand in the
cab and don't touch anything because you could get elettercuted.
You know, it's sort of there are times I just
had probably had to keep my mouth shut and just
listen to what they said.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
How many signs and trees were chainsawed down in the.

Speaker 8 (46:08):
Series Lost count Lost cant But it is amazing because
it's actually really unique to New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (46:17):
So we don't realize there's a lot of.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
Light post you lights, or all the signs around town
and stuff. They actually all pop up out of the
ground and can lie down so so houses can get
through and then they go on obviously put them back
into place, but you can unscrew all sorts of things.
And our roads are kind of made for moving, which
which is pretty cool, pretty unique as well.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I reckon the things you learn on a TV show, Andy,
what percentage of the houses would be sort of damaged
on arrival? Are we talking about a few scratches or
does occasionally a house lose a corner?

Speaker 14 (46:53):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (46:53):
Yeah, no, no, most of them. Most of them lose
fear of gathering. There can be a bit scratched, I
mean to be honest, A lot of the time. It's
quite amazing. When they do arrival, it actually looks, it
looks really good.

Speaker 12 (47:08):
We had one.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
Where a camp van actually crashes to the bottom of
a house that we're moving, so that sort of makes
a bit of a job of that. We had a
few cliffs and trees do a good job on it
as well. So most of them have got a few
a few little knicks and things out of them. But
it's surprising that there's nothing that can't sort of quickly
be fixed or put back into shape.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
You know.

Speaker 8 (47:33):
Again, these these these drivers and movers are bloody clever.

Speaker 12 (47:37):
No, they are.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
They're amazing, And I think you'd accept if it's an
old house, you're gonna have to do some work on
it when you get to its final resting spot. Then
then a little bit of damage along the way is fine.
But on Sunday you were transporting a brand new, expensive
home and everything already installed. Did that add extra stress
to that move?

Speaker 12 (47:57):
Yeah? I think it does. Yeah, that's that's a that's
a good point.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
So, I mean, we've moved a couple of the pre
built you know that get built on a yard and
shipped and just really remote locations where you couldn't get
builders and Subby's sort of sort of into so it
kind of it works really well in that space as well.
And yeah, I feel like there probably is a little
bit of extra pressure when it's all brand new and
you're trying to sort of sneak you know, past branches

(48:20):
that are hanging out, or you know, there's there's a
lot of heazardous things that can you know, they can
put a few scratches on it. But I mean again,
these drivers, when you know, when it comes to the
new houses, I think we're the ones that are built
in the yards. They probably take even more care to
them as well.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Did you manage to stay awake on these overnight journeys
better than Clark Gayford did?

Speaker 8 (48:40):
I didn't sleep once it was it wasn't easy. There
were times where you know, I had had to dig
pretty have an extra red bull. But now I managed
to hang in there and stay awake. So that's something
I was pretty proud. Parke was great, Like I gave
him a call before the show started and just asked
them for some advice, and yeah, he pretty much said

(49:01):
to me, mate, I.

Speaker 12 (49:02):
Hope you I hope you like trucks, said, yeah, of
course that. Yeah, I'm a bloke.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
I love trucks, you know, com beauty, but no he
would naraw know what he really means. You have to
love trucks, I can. You know, there's a lot of
times that in the cave of the track.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Did you enjoy you know, presenting a TV show something
new for you?

Speaker 9 (49:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (49:23):
I did, Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 8 (49:25):
It was was pretty challenging though, Like early on, you know,
I've done a little bit of stuff, you know, with
with some of the Rugby stuff on that and around presenting,
but there was a little bit more relaxed and off
the cuffs this. You know, I had to I had
to work pretty hard to I had to learn lines
and scripts and you know, often there was you know,
a couple of cameras and you know, there's a director

(49:46):
and a producer and you know soundy all in behind
the screen that you can't see when you're watching the TV.
And it can be I know, this takes a little
bit of time to get used to that. But you
know that everyone of the crew was so great.

Speaker 13 (50:00):
There was so.

Speaker 8 (50:02):
Patient with me, and you know, and I worked really
hard and I learned quickly I needed to do and
you know, hopefully, hopefully you see that and the shot itself.
You know, by the end of it, I felt really
a lot more natural, and I really enjoyed being able
to tell people's stories, you know, So it was it
was an honor.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
It's harder to walk and talk than people think, isn't
it right?

Speaker 8 (50:24):
And yeah, exactly, and you use your hands and gesture
things and and and you know, look down a camera
and you know, say things like you really really mean
them too. It's important part of it too. You've got
to really believe what you're saying. So there's a lot
of elements to it.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
What were some of the best tips that you were given?

Speaker 8 (50:44):
Yeah, sort of sort of learned the script, you know,
learn what I want to say, but then kind of
kind of make it mine, you know, like, really believe
in it and if you have changed the little bits,
and it can And I think once I got to
meet both the truck drivers and the and the people that,
you know, the families or couples that were doing it,
then I really bought into what they're saying and I
was kind of a little bit more emotionally attached as well,

(51:06):
you know, and so that helped me deliver you know
that I really was stoked for a young family that
are moving house, and.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
That absolutely came across. I think you did a really
really good job. I think you have great TV energy,
and you were yourself, but you could see that connection.
You were genuinely interested in what was going on and
wonderfully terrified at times. So I appreciate you probably don't
want a critique, but there it is.

Speaker 12 (51:29):
Oh thanks, So that's good. I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
It can be really difficult to go from being a
professional sports person to finding another career, but it looks
like it's actually been quite easy for you. Was that
because you kind of always knew you were interested in
landscape design or you know, and had other things on
the go.

Speaker 8 (51:45):
Oh no, I'm still pretty still pretty challenging coming out
of you know, professional sport. You know, I just I've
got some really good advice from some of the some
of the old boys that had played, just just to
take my time to, you know, try and put some
money aside and give myself six months to find out
what I really wanted to do next, get a lot
of coffees and meeting with people and stuff, and you know,
I was really open to new opportunities and challenges, and

(52:08):
this was one of those that sort of came up
and kind of said yes to it, and you know,
here I am. But you know it's still yeah, it's
a funny time for sure, when you when you finish
up playing rugby and and sort of moving on to
the next the next career. You know, a lot of
your friends that you went to school with have all
worked their way up in different you know, management roles
or you know, if their trade is often running their

(52:30):
own jobs and things like that. You know, we're sort
of starting afresh, so I suppose, like me, starting a
fresh in this kind of presenting role.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
But you know, they haven't all played for the All Blacks,
so you know, well we all do different things at
different times. That's all totally fine. Who is going to
win the rugby tomorrow morning? Do you think.

Speaker 12 (52:47):
All Blacks?

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (52:49):
Yeah, no, no, no, I mean, you know, watching both
England and Ireland tests, I reckon the All Blacks will
be a little bit probably disappointed in their actual performance.
You know, they left a lot of points out, they
created a lot of stuff. But the one thing you
kind of take away from it as that real that
real belief and you know, they won that tough game

(53:10):
against England and they're pretty pretty good against Ireland tour.
In that space, like it looks like that raise effector
of you know, we're going.

Speaker 12 (53:18):
To win no matter what.

Speaker 8 (53:19):
It's kind of starting to think, and then I think
that's that's the exciting thing. And when they actually start
really you know, hitting their strips with with their rugby,
you know, all the passes stick and anything like that,
man that look out, So you know that that belief
and I've heard that. I've heard them talking about in
the camp, you know, and I've heard the coach talking
about it. You know, great character show. There's some real
belief in our group. Everyone's buying into what we're doing.

(53:42):
It's an exciting time. That kind of language is always
exciting as an All Black supporter because you know, you know,
something pretty special coming.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Do you watch games and misplaying? No?

Speaker 12 (53:51):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 8 (53:52):
I watched games and I see the big context and
I squaw them on my chair sometimes. But non, I
miss I missed the mate ship and all the you know,
good mates. So I missed the competition and you know,
on the big stage.

Speaker 12 (54:08):
I love that, but.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
It's enough for me, you know, you're watching from the couch.

Speaker 12 (54:15):
With having a coffee in the morning. It's so good rugby.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
He's given you so many opportunities though, and you've been
able to travel with the things. Are your kids sporty.

Speaker 12 (54:25):
Yep, no, they love this sport.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
Yeah no, no, my daughter's into a netball and rowing
and my son loves this rugby and cricket and touch
and everything.

Speaker 12 (54:32):
Now we know we're sportty family.

Speaker 13 (54:34):
We love it.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
So how do you approach sport in their lives? Sort
of encourage them or you know, but without sort of
being overboard. What's sort of your approach?

Speaker 8 (54:42):
Oh no, what's their kids? It's all about just having fun,
you know, get out there and love what they're doing.
You know, sport's a great, great way to make, you know,
really lifelong friends. And so that's sort of this and courage,
you know, get they work hard, have fun, enjoy it, compete.

Speaker 12 (54:57):
I mean they're competed for little buggers anyways, you know. So,
but but yeah, that's what it's like.

Speaker 8 (55:02):
And yeah, we're lucky to have traveled. You know, Spen
lived in Japan and lived in New York and the
States through through my rugby. So we've met some amazing people.
And I've got great mates that all you know, the
lot uncles and aunties to all you know, to the
kids as well, which is which is pretty cool. So
they're always the one too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Good to be back in christ each so yeah, I
mean that's great.

Speaker 12 (55:23):
I mean we're all our family here. The kids love it.
It's awesome and we love it as well. I do
miss New York a little bit, just a little bit.

Speaker 9 (55:30):
Oh A.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Really nice to talk to you, and congratulations on the
new gig. You do a really great job. I loved it.
As I said you at the beginning. I don't know
why this show. It's strangely compelling, this show, it works
really well.

Speaker 8 (55:40):
Yeah, well I think it's really real, right, it's real,
and it's so unique to New Zealand, and you know,
you kind of get captured with the journey of these
people and the truck drivers and what we do. It's
and I think the other thing, like the reveal at
the end is really fascinating to you know, what did
it come up like and how much did it cost them?
And yes, there's a lot of really nice elements to
moving as Steven thirty TV one.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Look he's doing my job for me now as well.
That was Andy Ellis moving houses a screen on TVNZ
one and you can actually also quetch it on TVNZ plus.
Also coming up with this how to create a biodiverse
area around your own backyard. We're going to look at AI,
what's useful about it and not so useful about it?
And rent vesting is it right for you? It is

(56:24):
twenty four past ten. You're with Newstalk zeb.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Francesca Rudgin, Info, Jack tam and BE Pure Quality Supplements
for essential Energy, News talks at B and.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
It is screen time and Tara Ward joins us. Now,
Good morning, Tara, good morning. Hey tell me about In
Cold Water, the Shelter Bay mystery. This is screening on
Prime Video and it's a documentary series that has a
New Zealand connection.

Speaker 10 (56:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (56:55):
This is a new true crime documentary series with as
you say, a very strong New Zealand connection to it.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
It's a three part series and it's about a.

Speaker 21 (57:03):
Murder investigation that happened in Canada and twenty ten and
it involved a New Zealand man named Peter Beckett who
was a former Napier City councilor, and Peter was fishing
on a lake in the Rocky Mountains with his Canadian wife, Laura,
and Laura drowned in the lake. Peter says she fell
into the water, it was an accident. He tried to
save her and couldn't, but the police were suspicious, and

(57:26):
a year later they charged Peter with his wife's murder,
and Peter claims he's innocent. He's the only witness to
his wife's death, and for the next decade he's involved
in lengthy court trials and mistrials and appeals and what
he calls a huge.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Miscarriage of justice.

Speaker 21 (57:41):
So it's a very mysterious case, involving all sorts of
twists and turns and shocking the allegations on both sides
of this story. But the documentary doesn't try to convince
you one way or the other. It just lays out
all the details, talks to a lot of people involved,
from Laura's family, to the police, to forensic experts, to

(58:02):
Peter Beckett himself, and just leaves you to make your
own conclusions as a miscarriage of justice or is it
as the Canadian police would argue a Clear Cup murder Case.
So if you are a true crime fan, this is
one to watch. It's on Prime Video now, but it's
also screening free to air on Sky Open from Monday night.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Oh fantastic.

Speaker 9 (58:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I had a look at the list of shows that
you were going to talk about this week and I thought, oh,
Dave the Jackal. That looks good. So then I felt
out of duty to be properly prepared for the show.
I'd watch an episode. Five episodes later, I got back
to my life. I really enjoyed this. It's just look,
I love a crime thriller, and this one was just

(58:43):
really easy to sort of a mercyself in and enjoy.

Speaker 18 (58:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (58:48):
I agree.

Speaker 21 (58:48):
If you're looking for sort of an explosive, wonderfully tense,
as you say, very binge able, spy thriller, you won't
go wrong with Dave the Jackal. This is based on
the book by Frederick Forsyth and it stars Eddie Redmad
who plays the Jackal. He is an elite sniper. He's
a master of disguise, and he from city to city
as a paid assassin. And he's offered a job that

(59:10):
pays so well that he could stop doing this work.

Speaker 12 (59:12):
Forever.

Speaker 21 (59:13):
But at the same time, an six officer is on
his case. She's very good at her job, she's very persistent,
and they get caught up in this cat and mouse
game across Europe. The jacker wants to get this last
job done and the six Officer wants to find him
before he does, and it's a matter of how far
will each of them go to succeed and how obsessed
will they get with the other.

Speaker 10 (59:35):
So it's a real.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Classic spy thriller.

Speaker 21 (59:37):
You know, the story is from the nineteen seventies, but
they've made this feel very fresh and modern and contemporary.
Frederick Forsmyth was a producer on the show, so it
sort of honors that original story as well. It's very
glossy and sleek, and some great locations in Europe. Lots
of action scenes, but lots of quiet moments as well,
which I really liked that balance between the big explosive

(59:59):
moments and the quiet tension that sort of builds through it.
So it's a ten part series, and as you say,
the first fiveisodes are up on TV and Z plus
now just enough to get you hooked, and then the
next five will come out with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Me and then's so, and then she's calling you in
because normally TV, and said often just does it, you know,
week by week, puts out one episode per week. So
I was like, oh my gosh, the whole season's out.
This is so exciting. I think that's why I winded
it so hard and fast. And then I was like,
oh no, what now I have to wait. Now it's
this weekly thing.

Speaker 14 (01:00:30):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Really loved it. And look, I'm also a huge fan
of Bad Sisters. I love that these Irish sisters and
I'm a big fan of Sharon Horgan as well. I
do think was behind creating and writing this this show.

Speaker 14 (01:00:44):
Was she not?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yes, she was, so she this was.

Speaker 21 (01:00:47):
It's based on I think maybe a Danish series from
a few years ago, but she co created it and
she's written in it and starring in it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
And I'm the same.

Speaker 16 (01:00:55):
I love her.

Speaker 21 (01:00:56):
She made shows like Catastrophe and Divorce and I'll I'll
watch anything that Sharon Horgan makes. But this is one
of my favorites and it's back for a second season.
This is Bad Sisters on Apple TV Plus. This is
a show about five Irish sisters. One of them is
married to an awful, awful man, and the series begins
with his funeral, but we don't know how he died
or if someone killed him, and the show jumps back

(01:01:18):
and forth in time as these sisters jokingly plot to
kill their brother in law and then they give it
a go, but they are terrible at it. They bungle
things every time, they don't know what they're doing. And
they're also being investigated by the husband's insurance company, who
can't afford to pay out on his death and is
determined to uncover anything that will prove it wasn't an

(01:01:38):
accidental death. So season one was great. I'm interested to
see how they approached season two because season one ended
so beautifully. It was sort of its own, very nice,
self contained story, but there's such great chemistry here between
the five sisters, the ensemble cast and Clothes and Marie
Duff and Eve Houston. It's wickedly funny, but it's also
emotional and thoughtful and clever, and it captures all those

(01:02:01):
dynamics of a family and then just takes it to
another level because I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Think the reason why You relates because it's very well
rushing and as you say, well acted, but actually, if
you r eye Tara was thinking about trying to kill
someone and then and then do it kind of unfolds
and you know what I mean, like you can kind
of relate to how things kind of go right and
then how things go wrong, because really it's not our wheelhouse,
yes exactly. You know, it's not what you're people are
not the day of the Jackal.

Speaker 21 (01:02:25):
Now they don't know what they're.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Doing, so you kind of relate from it, you know,
from the couch going yeah, no, okay, I'm not sure
i'd be able to put this off either.

Speaker 12 (01:02:35):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Thank you so much, Tara. Always good to catch up
in Cold Water The Shelter Bay Mystery. That is the
true crime documentary series that's on Prime Video, also on
Sky Open from the eighteenth to twentieth of November. Day
of the Jackal TV and Z Plus, and Bad Sisters
is on Apple TV Plus. We'll make sure that all
that information is up on our website. Newstalks THEREB dot

(01:02:58):
co dot in Z. It is twenty six to eleven.
You're with Newstalks there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
B getting your weekend started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on News talks by.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
This is new music from Foley. It's called heart Strings.
The pop duo have returned with their latest single, It's
a New Love Song, and alongside the single comes the
announcement of the upcoming sophomore album, That's Life Baby, set
to be released in February next year. Picking some good
music today, Libby, somebody asked who did we play before

(01:03:50):
the ten o'clock news. That was Sam Fender and the
song was called people Watching. There we go answering that
one for you. Look, thanks for your text about that
interview with Andy Allis. You've all you've got some text.
He just saying, loving the interview. Damn, he's a nice guy.
What a great interview. What a great guy he really is.

(01:04:12):
And do you know what he's exactly like he was
in the interview as he is on the TV show.
You'll watch the TV show and he's full of energy.
I'm not surprised when he said he hadn't slept at all.
You do get that pressure that he's very interested in
what's going on around him. He's engaged. You could tell
he was. I think the two things he did really
well was bring an energy to the show, but also
just connected with people so beautifully on the show. There

(01:04:34):
was a genuine connection there and so hence makes telling
this story a little bit easier. But really nice guy. Yeah, no,
full of energy. Watch the show you'll I think you'll
get to know him a little bit better. Okay, Oscar,
how is our tech commentator? And he is starting to
see through all this AI business. It's like all big
tech advances, isn't it. You know, we're not really given

(01:04:55):
a chance to decide if we want it or old.
It's kind of often thrust upon us. There are parts
of it we'll find really useful, parts of us that
you know, parts of it that gets integrated into our
lives that we're not so happy about. So the question
is teach companies pushing AI into everything to justify the
extensive investment that they're making in developing these tools, and
do we need it? So we're going to talk to
Oscar about that next year on Newstalk ZBB, putting.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
The tough questions to the newsmakers the mic Hasking Breakfast.

Speaker 20 (01:05:24):
Last year, there were eight hundred and ninety two thousand
visa applications, right, how many of those were skilled workers?
Turns out one point three eight percent from the order
the General's offer. Senior Performance Auditor Lucy Morlander.

Speaker 9 (01:05:34):
Is with us.

Speaker 15 (01:05:35):
What we're saying is the OECD and other research organizations
have said that immigration systems play a really important part,
not only in processing visas, but attracting the people that
a country needs. And we know New Zealand's in a
very competitive global market for skills. So the more that
the system is set up well to work smoothly those
applicants and the more it can help them make a

(01:05:55):
decision on whether or not to come here.

Speaker 20 (01:05:57):
Certainly back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast
with the Rain, driver of the last news Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
ZB twenty to eleven and news Talk Zedben. Our tech
commentator today is Oscar Howmon, He joins me. Now, morning Oscar, Morning, Francesca,
how's it going good?

Speaker 12 (01:06:13):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Hey, great chat we're going to have this morning. Because
AI is kind of taking off. It's been put into
pretty much anything and everything, and I suppose the question
is is that happening to justify that just the huge
investment that companies have been making developing these tools.

Speaker 6 (01:06:28):
Well, it certainly feels that way.

Speaker 13 (01:06:30):
I mean companies like Microsoft, like Twitter, like you know, Meta,
who owns Facebook and Instagram. I mean that's been investing,
you know, hundreds and hundreds of millions. I's not billions
of dollars into I mean developing AI, just running it
costs a lot. And I mean it feels like they're
putting it in everything to make it kind of make
sense at the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
And I know that you find that bit frustrating because
some of it is helpful, but a lot of it isn't.
We're not asking for it.

Speaker 13 (01:06:58):
Well again, it feels that way. You know, there's certain
things out there, certain AI. I mean pieces of software
for example, that are great. Everybody knows about chat GBT,
which is a great place to go to, you know,
collect ideas or askit for recipes or this and that
and the other. But I mean, at this point it's
a personal gripe for me that it seems like every
piece of technology I own, from my phone to my

(01:07:20):
computer and my television to my television, I should say,
have got some sort of AI in it, and I'm
not enjoying it whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Why not is it getting in the way of using
it or is it just.

Speaker 17 (01:07:33):
Yeah it soon.

Speaker 13 (01:07:35):
I mean that's how it feels to me, Like you know,
it's okay if I want to go and I want
to you know, if I want to go use it,
I mean, fantastic, that seems to be what it's all about.
But I mean when it just kind of sits there
and it's the buttons are always in an inconvenient spot
on you know, whatever app you're using, or you know,
you can't delete, like for example, on my Android phone,
Google's just installed their AI Gemini, you can't delete it.

(01:07:58):
And you know, Microsoft has got Copilot, it's basically built
into their software now. So yeah, it's just kind of
a thing where you don't have an opportunity to choose
to use it. It's just kind of there and you
can only really accidentally press the button, you know, so
to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I suppose if it does genuinely add value, that's great.
But we're all different in how we use our tech
and devices, an't we.

Speaker 13 (01:08:21):
Well that's what I think, and you know, I don't
want to make any value statements, but I feel like
most people, you know, they want things to be a
little bit easier, they want to be more efficient, but
I mean, we don't want to be I think most
people don't want to lose control of what they're doing,
especially on you know, especially online for example. I mean
with the rise of you know, cyber crime, you know,

(01:08:44):
just just being really responsible Internet users. I mean putting
putting your online presence into the hands of something that
you can't control. I mean that's a scary thought. And
that's before we start talking about you know what kind
of data and metadata these AI you know, models and
these our companies are taken from us.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Hey, Oscar, where are we in the AI revolution? I mean,
where where is are I going to be in five
or ten years?

Speaker 13 (01:09:08):
Well, in terms of where we are in the revolution,
I mean you know, if you'd asked me that question
a year, eighteen months ago, I would have said the
world our oyster. I mean it was so novel and
so fun. But I feel like where we're at currently,
the kind of excitement has really died down. And I
mean in five or ten years time. To be honest,
I don't see AI having revolutionized society. I think it's
probably just running in the background, analyzing you know, lab

(01:09:31):
results and soil samples and doing all that kind of
really high you know, just data data investigation and stuff
like that. I don't think it's going to have any
strong consumer any strong applications for regular consumers, Like you're
all right, Oscar.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Really great to get your thoughts on this. Thank you
so much for your time today. Ed McKnight is with
us next to talk about the pros and cons of
rent vesting with News.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin,
Infra Jack Tame and Be Pure Quality Supplements for essential Energy,
Dogs there Be and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
To talk money. We are joined by the economist at
Opie's Partners, Ed McKnight. Good morning, Ed, and congratulations on
being a homeowner again.

Speaker 13 (01:10:18):
I'm so much fantastic. It's funny to come on here
because we're going to be talking about rent investing today.
This is the idea and it's a bit of a
trend at the moment where people buy investment properties before
actually buying their own home. And as you said, it's
pretty topical because I've been investing in property for about
five years now, which is not very long. But finally

(01:10:40):
after those five years, have decided that's it. I recently
got engaged, so it's time to buy a house for myself.
And I think, and I was reflecting on the reasons, well,
why did I leave it? Why didn't I just buy
a home to live in when I was twenty six
when I bought my first investment property. And I think
that in these days is sometimes you don't feel ready
to buy your first home and put down some routes

(01:11:02):
and actually settle down, because when we're in, when we're
in our twins, were still figuring it out. For some
people it's even still in their early thirties. And so
I see a couple of people deciding to say, look,
I'd love to get on the property letter, but I'm
going to buy an investment property before I buy that
first time that I'm actually going to live in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Pros and cons for rent vesting, Well, the.

Speaker 13 (01:11:24):
First pro is that sometimes you can get on the
ladder the property letter a little bit earlier than you
otherwise might. So, for example, I live in Auckland, but
I brought my first investment property down in christ Church.
Now property prices are cheaper down there, so it's a
little bit easier to get on the letter. But look,
there are some obvious comms. We've got this big idea
in news that a lot of people really value owning

(01:11:47):
their own home and living it and.

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Don't want to delay that.

Speaker 13 (01:11:50):
Now, if that's you, and that's kind of where your
values align and what you're into, then obviously rent vest
and wouldn't be for you. But there was an interesting
story of a journalist being pussy actually who wrote about
it for Informed Investment magazine. He again might mean in Auckland,
couldn't afford to buy a house up here, so he
flew down to the need and bought an investment property there,

(01:12:12):
and then after he'd gone up in value, he was
able to use that to then go and buy that
first home up here in Auckland. So it's probably something
you're going to do if you live in a more
expensive part of the country like Auckland or Queenstown. Whereas
if you're growing up or you live in my old
hometown Harder in South southern up here, where property prices

(01:12:33):
are relatively cheap, well, buying your own home is probably
quite accessible relative or compared to what it is in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
That's interesting and I would think too, being a renter
probably makes you a good landlord to ed.

Speaker 13 (01:12:45):
We certainly understand we renters are coming for and emphasized
with them. And I think the other thing that I
talked about in my book well Playing is that when
you are young, it might just be you or you
and your partner. So renting a two bedroom units or
a one bedroom apartment might be the total an appropriate

(01:13:06):
place for you to drink, but you might say, well,
I really want to invest or buy three bedroom homes then,
so that's where it can make sense as well. You
want to live in a central city one bedroom apartment,
but you don't actually want to invest in that or
have that as part of your portfolio, so you invest
somewhere else. So there's not always this nice alignment between
what makes a good investment and the home that you

(01:13:28):
want to live in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Thanks so much, Ed Jeseu. It has been a big
year for Ed, hasn't it. Thank you very much. Would
you like your garden to become an important corridor for
native species nearby? If you're king to put out the
welcome mat then root climb Past has some ideas on
how to do this next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
With steel Shop Don't Best their biggest spring sale ever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Rude Climb Past. Good morning, A.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Very good morning to you. Are you well, Francesca?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I am very very well.

Speaker 10 (01:13:55):
Where are you?

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
I am A moment in the middle of no not
in the back of Katy Katy at my favorite seed place.
Which is King's Seeds.

Speaker 22 (01:14:05):
Have you heard of it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Yea, yeah, here's the more time.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
Do you need any wildflowers? Flowers?

Speaker 9 (01:14:12):
All right?

Speaker 12 (01:14:12):
Yeah? Done, done, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
To I'm going to I don't know if you remember,
but we spoke about how I tried to grow a
meadow last year and it was hazard So I'm going
to give it another world to see. I'm not giving
up on the meadow. I am going to have them
tiny meadow in my background. Anyway, we're not here to
talk about my meadow. We're going to talk to you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
About yes you are, because yes you are, because this
is the thing about space for nature. That's what we're
talking about. We're talking about making a garden like you
want to do with wildflowers, so you help the pollinators.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Correct, Yes, I am so on top I can organized
here we go, so you go.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
So that's number one. Number two, you can do the
same thing by planting all sorts of native plants that
help other pollinators. But there's also help creatures that need
to live in our native areas. So if you create
a garden that is really friendly for native insects, native birds, nay,
everything native, you are creating this and neighborhoods. Together with

(01:15:07):
your neighbors, that becomes space for nature. That is the
latest thing that they're doing here in the Bay of Plenty.
Laura Rag the CEO, sent me the stuff the other
day and it's actually happening here. It's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
It's something that Enviral had by Plenty is doing, isn't it.
And it's sort of inspiring the conversation today. So what
kind of things can we be doing? Apart from growing
your meadow, someone might want something a bit smaller in
the backyard to encourage sort of you know, nature to
come on in and pack up.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
Well, it's literally what you just talked about with your
little meadows. If you can actually have a wonderfully covered
meadow where your lizards can live and all that sort
of stuff, just plant them and they will come. And
it's the same with wetter and it's the same with birds,
and it's the same with those sort of things. The
second thing you can do, Francesca, you know we've talked
about it in the past before, is putting traps up

(01:15:59):
to get rid of all sorts of things such as
you know, your rodents and your possums and all that
sort of nons to keep those nasty things away from
your garden and create at the same time a predator
free wherever you live in this case the Day of Plenty, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
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I'm Francisco Rudgan filling Infroject time with you until midday today.
Coming up this hour, we're gonna get Jason Pine's thoughts
on whether the All Blacks can beat France tomorrow morning.

Speaker 9 (01:19:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
I reckon they can. I mean, on paper, the odds
are it's probably even odds right, But I don't know.
I like the vibe coming off of the All Blacks
at the moment. There seems to be that belief is back,
Isn't that? So I'm going to back them. Castine Rains
has two new books from New Zealand authors and Estelle
Clifford celebrated her birthday the Coldplay concert last night. Was
it the best birthday ever? We'll find out at the

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end of the hour. Francesco Google Sutherland joins us now
and our Well Being segment.

Speaker 6 (01:19:44):
Good morning, Google, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 7 (01:19:47):
How are you.

Speaker 10 (01:19:47):
I'm really really good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Thank you. You've got an interesting topic for us today
because I think we've all heard over the years about
the benefits of different types of noises. I think you've
definitely heard. If you've had a baby at some point
in the last twenty years, you would have heard about
that sort of white noise that might help your baby
get to sleep in things. I had no idea that Google,
we'd move. We now have green noise, brown noise, pink noise,

(01:20:10):
white noise. It's it's it's growing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:12):
I was about, it's a complete rainbow of noise, really,
isn't it that every time you kind of look at it,
there's things to be.

Speaker 12 (01:20:21):
More and more.

Speaker 16 (01:20:22):
So we've got, as you say, we've got white noise,
which is and I'm not a technical expert in noise
to be to be perfectly frank.

Speaker 6 (01:20:28):
So I'm kind of going I think I understand what
that means. You understand it when you hear it.

Speaker 16 (01:20:32):
White noise is essentially random, all the frequencies we can hear.
And then there's green noise, which is I equate it
to a bit like hearing, you know, brooks burbling and
rivers gushing, and the rain sound of rain on the roof,
that type of thing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:50):
Right, And we've got brown noise, brown noises low frequency sound,
so sort of I guess that sort of booming, kind
a deeper sound.

Speaker 16 (01:21:00):
And then we've got pink noise.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
And pink noises kind of like white noise apart from
the top.

Speaker 16 (01:21:05):
The sharp frequencies have been kind of tuned down, so
they're a little bit less intense. And there's all this
research about, oh, is this good for us our brains
or is this not good for our brains?

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
As you say, sometimes we use it to I use
white noise at home.

Speaker 16 (01:21:20):
I put it on my headphones if my daughter's watching
TV and I want to be in the in the lounge,
but I don't. I want to read, and I want
to concentrate and not not hear her terrible TV programs
like so I certainly use it for that. But there's
lots of lots of sort of debate around is this
good for us or is this helpful or not helpful?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Well, as I mentioned, I'd never heard of white and
pink noise, and we've actually got some examples to play
for people. So here here's here's we start with white noise.

Speaker 12 (01:21:46):
Love me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Here's some white noise that's kind of like the jet engine,
the jet sort of the plane engine, isn't it. And
that's sort of okay, So that's your white ness.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
That's good.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
That's white.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Okay, pink what's pink?

Speaker 9 (01:22:05):
Labe?

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Okay, it's just similar. But as you say, different frequency Google.

Speaker 16 (01:22:17):
Yeah, yeah, and it sounds yeah that that that made
me think of rain on the roof a little bit too.

Speaker 19 (01:22:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I thought it was a wave coming in, but it
never quite broke.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
Yes, yes, yes, that's a good that's a good explanation
of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
So there's been some recent people have been looking at
the impact of white and pink noise and they're thinking
that there could be a potential it could improve concentration
and memory for adolescents and young adults, but only those
with ADHD.

Speaker 6 (01:22:43):
Yeah, which is which is not what you'd expect, right,
you would expect.

Speaker 16 (01:22:47):
So so that you know what they did, Generally that
you play give people headphones and play some different sorts
of noise through them and see see if their concentration
levels or their attention span, their memory improves.

Speaker 6 (01:23:02):
Yeah, and they found that pink can white.

Speaker 16 (01:23:04):
Noise were helpful for young people and young adults who
have ADHD. It actually helped them concentrate more, whereas for
people who didn't have ADHD, it actually interfered with their concentration,
which is sort of immediately My immediate soort was, that's
a bit back to front that you would expect that,

(01:23:25):
you know, playing a whole lot of noise to somebody
who doesn't concentrate well in the first place is really
going to mess with them. But in fact that's not
what they found.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
It was. It was the opposite way around, which I
found quite quite fascinating.

Speaker 9 (01:23:37):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
No, because my daughter has ADHD and she's always got
a couple of things on the go, so she constantly
has music playing, which enables her to relax and focus
on studying, listen to a teacher, whatever else she needs
to be doing. So whereas I cannot work worth music
or something else going on, it distracts me. I need

(01:23:58):
to be focus. If I'm preparing a show and reading
and writing, I need to be completely focused on that.
I can't. It's almost sort of distracting to have something
going on to I do kind of get that. I
understand how that noise might just it just might help
soothes that somehow and then allows you to focus on, yeah,
something else.

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:24:17):
The theory is that that that people's ADHD, their ability
to concentrate, those parts of the brain are actually understimulated, and.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
So that by playing this white noise it turns there.

Speaker 16 (01:24:30):
It sort of stimulates your attention more and gets them
to a peak of ability to concentrate. Whereas if you
stimulate it too much, which is what perhaps those of
us with without ADHD experience, if you stimulate it too much,
it becomes overload. So there's almost a sweet spot if
you like, of concentration if you if you, if you

(01:24:52):
you might need something to bring you up to that
sweet spot if you don't, if you have ADHD. But
if you don't have ADHD, having that that that concentration,
that memory stimulated actually pushes you out of the sweet
spot and over the top.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
So it's really fascinating. And let's be clear, it's not
sort of a huge it's not.

Speaker 16 (01:25:10):
A massive cure all for ADHD, but it could help, so,
you know, particularly maybe for kids like your daughter, playing
some white noise or some pink noise might be really helpful,
particularly around studying and times that they really need to concentrate.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
I think she'll tell me she's got a much better
playlist on her Spotify diggle that she'd prefer to listen to.
But it is absolutely worth worth trying today. If you
are someone you know, if you do have your ADHD
and thinking, well, give it a go. Nothing. Look, I
think it's things like ADHD you can try. Lots of
different things work for different people. You just got to
try them, don't you. Doogle really nice to talk to you.

(01:25:45):
Thank you for your time this morning. Doogle list from
Umbrella Well Being. Right, there is more to Anaheim than
just Disneyland. We are going to go traveling with Mike
Yardley next. It's fourteen past eleven Travel.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
With Wendy wu Tours, unique Fully Inclusive Tours around the World.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Mike Yardley, good morning, Good morning to you. How Mandy
to talk to you. When I think of Anaheim, I
immediately think of Disneyland.

Speaker 7 (01:26:13):
Yes you see ears Mouse Ears, Yes, q'ses Zuros.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah that's money to ching. But yeah, Anaheim has become
like the foody destination too, right.

Speaker 7 (01:26:30):
Indeed, yep, beyond the Mouth's House. A lot of visitors
are lingering in Anaheim because the hospitals and Francesca is
just so damn good with all the southern Califorfornia fields.
So whether you're after fust free street eats or gormet glories,
I've got all bases covered. And I was intrigued to
learn when I was there a couple of weeks ago
that the Anaheim area now has over thirty Michelin recommendations,

(01:26:53):
you know, in terms of eatery, so you can go Berzerk.
One really good specimen, particularly for brunching, is a place
called Poppy And see this has your name all over
it because the bar, in the lounge, the restaurant, it's
all sorted in a greenhouse, so you just feel like
you're sitting in the garden surround it. No, it's very
very cool, and all the ingredients and every dish at

(01:27:15):
Poppy and Seed are locally grown, raised, or caught. It
is super local. I ended up having a bit of
a munch on the very plump shrimp and creamy grits.
That was a brunch to remember.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
So if you've got all these Michelin star sort of
restaurants and things. Is it are they easy to get
into or if you're heading that way, do you need
to be booking in advance and getting quite organized to
be able to the best they offer?

Speaker 7 (01:27:40):
Very good question. Generally for brunch that's sort of walking,
but if you're wanting to dine at night, definitely book
in advance. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Okay, why do you think it has grown? Why did
think it's sort of become this?

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
Well, yeah, there is a lot of wealth in the
Orange County area, so they've really raised the bar on
hospitality particularly. I mean, I was amazed how many new
hotels have opened in Anaheim just in the last couple
of years post COVID, And yeah, there just seems to
be a certain new swank to Anaheim that I had

(01:28:18):
not noticed before.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Food on the go, where's good to grab something to eat?

Speaker 7 (01:28:24):
The Farmer's Market is excellent. And if there was one
tip I would give at the market, I would say
go for the Internata fish tacos. They are just so good.
And then just down the road there is this amazing bakery.
It's a Japanese bakery called Oka Yamacobo Bakery, And I
just discovered so many new snacks there that I had

(01:28:45):
not had before, For example, the Kobocha casted buns Francesca.
They are worth a trip to Anaheim alone. And I
did not know, but kobocha is Japanese pumpkin, right, And
if you want to try this at home, go for
it and you're custed to a bit of pumpkin. It
is such a winning mix. And then also the area

(01:29:07):
Anaheim's famous packing house, which has been transformed into a
vast food hall, dozens of vendors. But there is a
really cool place called pop Bar, which is a very
creative ice creamery with very zany flavors, things like green
tea kipkit which is a green tea gelato half dipped

(01:29:27):
in chocolate with KitKat crumbled. That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
It sounds like you can sort of satisfy every taste
in craving in this place. I was laughing when you
mentioned laughing when you mentioned it you discovered all these
new snacks because I've been told by my my, you know,
stop snacking. Frenchies could just eat a decent meals. Stop
snacking and you'll keep your diaper in the control. And now,
of course, all you see the minute someone tells you
not to do something, then all you see the snacks

(01:29:51):
that you want to eat, left, right and center. Hey,
there's a very strong craft bes sing too in Anaheim.

Speaker 7 (01:29:58):
Yes, they love their craft. They've got dozens of venues
and I checked out a couple which I really liked.
Golden Road Brewer. I definitely suggest that one because it's
right across the road from Angel Stadium, the baseball stadium,
and they have got the most gigantic beer garden I
have ever seen at Golden Road. Lots of tropical IPAs

(01:30:21):
like mango fruit beer, which at the spot, I have
to say. And another really cool place, Villain's Brewing. It's
sort of like it's permanently celebrating Halloween. At Villain's Brewing.
It's all very dark and sort of horror themed. Their
signature ipa is called Brethren of Filth. And I've got

(01:30:43):
a really good Mexican style lager saka La Balsita, which
I absolutely loved. Either way, if you're looking for a
really big, bling, bling dinner in Anaheim, the place I
would recommend for absolute glamour dining, and it's stuffed with celebrities.
This place, the Anaheim White House, it is just superb much.

(01:31:06):
It's Italian based. Whether it's your steaks, your seafood, or
obviously pasta, it is dining in excelsius. And the interesting
aspect to Anaheim White House is that the guy that
runs it, Bruno Serrato, his philanthropy is extraordinary. This place
also pumps out thirty thousand meals a week, my goodness,

(01:31:30):
for children in need. It's an incredible He's like he's
won a see Ann Hero Award, he got a blessing
from the Pope. He was even knighted by the Italian
governments for his philanthropy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
The great thing about White House is that's a very
easy name for you to remember when you get there
and go, now, what did makrae? That's good? Hey, what
else did you get up to?

Speaker 9 (01:31:48):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
What about do lover a rooftop bar or eat and speakeasy?
You've got to speak easy.

Speaker 7 (01:31:55):
Yeah, they are into your speakeasies in Anaheim. So at
the Pecking House, there is a really cool little place
called the Blind Rabbit. You will feel like a hobbit
at the Blind Rabbit. It's so small, it's like a
rabbit hole of a bar, and the exit is through
a bookcase if you like. And also I went to
a place called Strong Water, which has the sort of
speakeasy vibe because you would not know it was there

(01:32:18):
unless you knew. And the thing about Strong Water, Francesca,
the extravagant fit out is like a shipwreck crossed with
a tiki bar. Though it's just magical, its whimsical, its maritime.
The craft cotails incredible for rooftops. The really good thing

(01:32:39):
about Anaheim with your rooftop hospo scene is you also
get served up a California sunset and the nightly Disney fireworks,
so there's a lot of bean for your back. And
I went to a place called Top of the V
which is at the top of the viv Hotel, one
of these swanky new hotels in Anaheim. The menu is

(01:33:00):
Basque cuisine, so absolutely delicious, things like serrano'hamts and a
gooey bechamel sauce, which to me was like the epitome
of melt in your mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Stop I'm just getting hungry and hasation.

Speaker 7 (01:33:17):
Finally, just finally, just on the thirsty front, go to
Top of the V for the sangria menu. I don't
think I've had better sangria than at this place, and
you could just settle in for a long night well
past to Mickey's bedtime to bring this angria.

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
It's just so good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Are you home eating salads and like protein for a
week or two? Hello, very quickly about being home. Final
day of the christ Church a MP show. It's big
week for Christis this week, and I know that the
show was scaled back, but has it still been popular?
Has Christy had along and enjoyed.

Speaker 7 (01:33:54):
Yeah, yeah, virtually every one of my family's been in
the last couple of days. And the weather's not been ideal,
but that being said, it is going to improve this afternoon.
It's been quite showy in Christigs this morning. But yeah,
animals and your amusement rides, that wood chopping, the sharing,
it's all go at the showgrounds. And yeah, can I
read the South holand that really flopped to it in

(01:34:16):
the last couple of days, So definitely check it out today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Great good to hear Mike. Thank you so much for
more tips on eating and drinking your way through Anaheim.
And Mike has a lot of tips how to do
this well. You'll be able to find his article on
the website News Talks HEDB dot co dot zed Ford
Slash Lifestyle Forward slash Travel Sports Next twenty five past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Getting your Weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
This is sounding a little bit like you. This is
Jack White. You got me searching then you will be
thrilled to hear. But he's decided to pop in and
play a gig in Auckland Town Hall this December. So
he's currently on a world tour, it's the No Name
Tour twenty twenty four. He was coming to Australia and
playing some gigs there and he's going, oh, look I'm
so close. It would be rude not to which it would.

(01:35:24):
So he is extending his world tour to Cove of
New Zealand. So he's heating here and he's going to
do a few more gigs as well in Australia just
to entertain us all. What's very kind of them. So Tuesday,
the seventeenth December, he's going to be playing Auckland Town
Hall right coming up at midday Jason Pine with Weekend
Sport and he's with me, now, good morning, good morning.
I don't know where I'm at. It's a Saturday, honestly

(01:35:47):
that way. Obviously, I'm normally here on a Sunday, and
on a Saturday morning, normally the alarm goes off nice
and early, and I go off and I do a
nice long run or walk and get all my exercise done.
And the alarm went off this morning, and I went, oh,
here on a mint. I've got to do something to that.
I don't think. Imagine if I've just gone out and
gone walking for an hour or so and then come gone,
hold the moldy. I'm supposed to be somewhere. Anyway, I

(01:36:10):
am here. And the All Whites were in Hamilton last
night and.

Speaker 23 (01:36:16):
Wet Hamilton, very wet Hamilton, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
And probably an expected win over Vanuatu. But looked like
a great game and some good entertainment.

Speaker 23 (01:36:26):
Yeah, absolutely, Look the All Whites haven't played in Hamilton ever.
That is the first time they've ever gone to the tron,
so yeah, they certainly stamped their mark there. Look, they're
in a situation, the All Whites where they are clearly
the best team in Oceania. They're the big fish in
a pretty small footballing pond. So when you play against
these teams, really all you can do is go out
there and try and win and win well. And I

(01:36:48):
was really impressed by the way they went about their
work last night. It was one all for a while
and you started to wonder, is this going to be
one of those where they kind of battle and scratch
along a little bit to a two to one or
a three one. But you know, once they got their
noses in front, they kind of stretched out. So yeah, no, good,
good result for the All Whites. They play some more
at Mounts on Monday night. Then in March of next

(01:37:09):
year they play Semis and a final with a ticket
to the next World Cup on the line. So look,
they're looking very good at the moment to qualify for
the next Football World Cup in a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
I am going to guess what you Okay, I reckon,
You're going to tell me that the A is going
to beat France tomorrow.

Speaker 23 (01:37:29):
Yes, yes, that's what That's what I will tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Yes, But don't you think because I know that you
like to go on your gat yes I do, But
don't you suppose your extensive sporting knowledge combine the two
and look, I think probably on paper the odds are even.
But I just have a feeling that the All Blacks
are just discovering that old belief in the fact that
they can play any minutes and anything can happen, and

(01:37:53):
I just feel like we're off.

Speaker 12 (01:37:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:37:55):
The funny thing is, I think at the start of
this tour people, I think most people and I'll include
myself on the slot. Okay, if we can win two
of the three against England Island France, that's a pretty
good result, right, And we've got two. We've got the
two wins, so it's almost like a free hit tomorrow morning.
But having said that, I'd be disappointed now if we
lost to France.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
That's just an All Black supporter going, I'll feel, Okay,
I'll be able to get up tomorrow if we went
two out of three. That's not how they're thinking they will.

Speaker 23 (01:38:22):
They're not, No, they're not. They're not thinking that at all.
And I think you treat it like a bit of
a mini World Cup, don't you like a quarter final,
the semi final of finals? So tomorrow is effectively in
that scenario as your final. I think France are narrow
favorites at the tab. If that's any indication as to
how the how the the bookies are thinking about it.
Look at again last weekend, Ireland were paying a dollar

(01:38:43):
forty seven and we were two sixty and we know
how that panned out. So look, yeah, I'm looking forward
to the game tomorrow morning. I'd like these nine o'clock kickoffs.
I know that sort of don't cut into yours show.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Actually I'm very disappointing, but you know we are the
home of sports, so that's fine. I'll I'll just politely
and with grace step aside and thank you do it
for doing the last that have our of my show tomorrow.
They today though, Tim Salvie is announcing he's going to
retire from Test cricket at the series against England.

Speaker 23 (01:39:15):
You've got him on the show, yep, he's on the
sho after one o'clock. Looking forward to chatting to Tim Salley.
What a career. You know the numbers and cricket's a
game where you can use the numbers to really get
an indication of someone's influence on a game. I mean,
across seventeen summers, you know, three hundred and eighty five
test workts, second only to Sir Richard Hadley. He's got
another three hundred and eighty five incredibles exactly the same

(01:39:36):
number with the white ball, seven hundred and seventy all up,
that's the most by anybody by quite some distance for
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Lots of other.

Speaker 23 (01:39:42):
Stats as well, milestones. How do you come to these
decisions though? How do you decide? Okay on you know,
this is it apart from your body perhaps telling you.
But across seventeen summers he's remained relatively injury free. He's
really looked after himself. Probably could go on if he
wanted to. So, yeah, I'll have a I'll ask that question,
and a few others I think of Tim Southey, yeah,
he's on the show after one o'clock and what else

(01:40:05):
on the show the rug Obviously we're going to go
to France and preview this test match tomorrow morning, and
World Rugby has a brand new chair for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
He is from the Southern Hemisphere.

Speaker 23 (01:40:14):
Yes, Brett Robinson, doctor Brett Robinson, former Wallaby clinician and
now chair of World Rugby. He's going to yarn to
us after two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Oh, it's going to be interesting to hear from him.
Thank you so much, Jason, enjoy doing my show. Tomorrow,
Oh will thanks for that. Jason Pine will be back
with you with the Weekend Sport at midday. You think
I was confused getting up this morning? Why not? What's
gonna happen tomorrow Morning'll probably get up and come in here.
There'll be Rugby on a Nightmare. Twenty five to twelve
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Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Catherine Rains is with us now to talk books, and Catherine,
You've got a couple of New Zealand authors for us
this morning. Good morning, good morning, how are you good?
Thank you? A new book by Nicki Palegrino, who I
know has many many fans she.

Speaker 14 (01:41:06):
Does, and this is actually her fifteenth novel and her
books are often said in Italy because it's a place
that is familiar to her from her childhood. And in
this one there's two characters, Sky and Anna, and they
seem like they actually have nothing in common. So Sky's
a cake maker and the Cotswolds with a young family,
and is this very successful editor of a best selling

(01:41:26):
food magazine called Culinaire, and her whole life and her
world is reflected in this magazine when all of a
sudden they decide to close the doors of it, and
she has no idea what to do next, and for
both of them, for both characters, for Anna and Sky,
all of a sudden their world's change, and Sky's pulled
into this all expenses paid Italian wedding competition with her

(01:41:50):
partner Tim, but he's actually fraudulently entered them in it,
and actually she's not really quite sure terribly if she
wants to marry him anymore after many years. And so
they both start on this path which ends up taking
them to the Italy and this beautiful town of Montanello,
And so you get this beautiful descriptions of the Italian
countryside and of course the mouthwater and food and and

(01:42:10):
there's Fabinoust residence that you meet there. There's an older
man who you would just love to pull up and
a chair and a coffee in the glorious sunshine and
the piazza and solve all your problems with And it's yeah,
the novel's perfect escapism really for an afternoon read. And yeah,
I love that invoking of the Italian countryside.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Yeah, she does that so well. It sounds like if
you've if you've enjoyed Nikki Pellagrano's Box in the past,
this is going to very much the tick the box,
I think, so okay, Rose Carlyle, she released her first
novel was called The Girl in the Mirror, which was
just fabulous, and she's back with her second novel.

Speaker 14 (01:42:47):
Actually this is her third one.

Speaker 9 (01:42:48):
What is it third?

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:42:50):
No, no, sorry, no, no, this is her second one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Sorry, no, my mistake. No, she has she's been busier
than I thought she had been. Care for them out.

Speaker 14 (01:43:00):
No, but this storyline in here is is quite twisted
and a little bit unhinged and has this very weird
and unguessable plot, and the characters are completely unlikable and
there's lots of flair and over the top event so
you do have to suspend a little bit of disbelief
when you're reading it, because this wouldn't quite a not

(01:43:21):
sural play out life. But the story is based around Eve,
who finds herself alone and pregnant after tragedy strikes with
the death of her boyfriend, and she's introduced to this
couple the highgates, and they're very wealthy, and they make
her an offer effectively that she can't refuse. And she's
really desperate because she'd been sailing the Pacific for six months,
and as I said, she's found herself pregnant and alone

(01:43:43):
and penniless, and his wealthy parents don't want anything to
do with her or their grandchild. So she's really desperate
and naivety and this couple look like they're perfect, and
she agrees to move to this remote island hidden away
in Tasmania and a sworn to secrecy and can't tell
anybody where she's gone. And so you get this backdrop

(01:44:05):
of this very creepy remote island and the stream of
sequence and wealth like you wouldn't believe. And so a
real novel of suspense and if I tell you too
much more destroying, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
The storyline.

Speaker 14 (01:44:19):
But yeah, lots of consequences and greed and lies and
factial mistakes and yeah, like I said, a little bit
unhinged and quite invisible, but yeah, it's very well put together.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
I think Rhodes creates writes books that would make I
can sort of see them as fantastic TV series or
movies and I'm really pleased to see that she's talking
about sailing again, because I know i've I'm pretty sure
I remember from interviewing her, Catherine, that she's done a
lot of sailing and sailed I think with her family
from Thailand to South Africa or something. And it's done
a bit in the seven type of guidance. And she

(01:44:51):
does capture that feeling of being in the middle of
nowhere on a boat very very well.

Speaker 10 (01:44:56):
Yeah, she does.

Speaker 14 (01:44:56):
That isolation in the story makes a lot of sense
if you've been out in the middle of nowhere on
a boat. She catches that isolation extremely well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Yeah, you sense this, and yeah, that's exactly, very well done. Yeah,
exactly nicely said, Thank you so much, Catherine. The two
books that Catherine spoke about today Marry Me in Italy
by Nicki Palagrino and No One Will Know by Rose
Carlyle Right Birthday Girl.

Speaker 10 (01:45:20):
Stelle.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Clifford is with us next year with the news talks.
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
Saturday mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for Jack to him,
keeping the conversation going through the weekend with be Pure
Policy Supplements for Essential Energy News Talk, said be.

Speaker 9 (01:45:37):
Sky Sky Call Quality.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
So this is going to be bringing back some fabulous memories,
hopefully for those of you who have already seen Coldplane,
getting the rest of you very excited about the concert
tonight if you were fortunate enough to be going to Eden.
Park Is Steal. Clifford celebrated her birthday last night at
coldplaye and she joins me, now, good morning, hello.

Speaker 22 (01:46:30):
I mean, if you're gonna have a birthday party put
on for you, why not with fifty seven thousand other people?

Speaker 9 (01:46:35):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
Firstly, happy birthday, Happy Hey. I'm sure that you know
you like the birthday to take the whole weekend, the
happy birthday weekend, Thank you, okay.

Speaker 22 (01:46:45):
And what a spectacular night. I accidentally got tickets from
some friends selling some tickets on so it was a
very last minute thing for me, but it felt like
it was just supposed to be. I took my five
year old and can I just say, if you're going
to do that, make sure you tether yourselves together with
a risen yes. And then imagine sky full of Stars,

(01:47:09):
which is my daughter Ava's favorite song because it's on
sing Too, and Chris Martin is like, she feels like
he's looking at her. Her arms are in the air
with a light up led band. They catapult star confetti
into the sky like it just it's like it was
so magic. And the thing was is the whole concert
was like that, Like you didn't have to wait until

(01:47:30):
you know how usually near the end is when all
the fireworks and the confetti.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
And they fire them off left.

Speaker 21 (01:47:36):
Right, that's right.

Speaker 22 (01:47:38):
Like it's just a cacophony of sound and magic and
color the whole entire time. I do want to say
Chris Martin and the band, they have some amazing kicks.
Their shoes were incredible. I'm a shoe girl, so noticed
all the color there. Thank you very much. But singing
those songs and the big tunes too, you know, like
these guys have got a massive back catalog or their

(01:48:00):
new albums that they've had out. How to mix that
with them songs like Yellow Fix you like still willing
to do the classics and I think they just went
you know, the theme of this whole concert is just
idleha good vibes, unity and very festival but real inclusive.
And I I mean, you know, like I wouldn't necessarily

(01:48:22):
always choose to go to a concert with a five
year old, but what a medical experience.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
I think my son was eight, I think, and I
took her to Taylor Swift and that was the big
first concert aside from you know, seeing the Wiggles and
stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, I think that was. And
the key thing. The other thing you do Estala is
not just paying yourself together, but get the old Vivid
out and you write your cell phone numbers down the art.

Speaker 10 (01:48:46):
Yes, absolutely, yeah, gigs.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
And airports we used to do that. And then finally,
I think my kids are quite old moment. Seriously, we
can remember with your phone number. You do not need
to put Vivid all over me as they walk from airports.

Speaker 9 (01:48:59):
I love that.

Speaker 22 (01:49:00):
And really, you know, the thing about seeing anyone live
is you have a new respect for them, don't you
because you see that talents Chris Martin. One minute he's
singing and dancing, then he's on the piano, then he's
on a guitar, then he's interacting with all the signs
and people in the audience. That's a lot the energy
that he propels out and the rest of the band,
and then to see this whole crowd kind of give

(01:49:21):
their energy back when the balloons went up in the air.
My daughter and I were down on the energy stages
and they charged the batteries that helped run the shows.
And my daughter saw those and she's like, we're off.
You're like, okay, yes we are. Mother dragged behind child
with a ribbon attached around her wrists, and people in
the audience are like chucking her the balloon so she
can throw them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
In the air like this wonderful. Yeah, it's a clue
that you can.

Speaker 22 (01:49:44):
Release you in a child, but even more so if
you are there with young kids.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
And it just was magic.

Speaker 22 (01:49:48):
I mean there were times when I was like, hang on,
what songs playing? Because we were so busy chasing or
interacting or running around. Yeah, I feel like I've had
a very very big workout.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
I'm quite quious.

Speaker 22 (01:49:59):
But the water place to let it go, you know. Yeah,
And to see here those songs played love. I haven't
seen cold Play live before?

Speaker 13 (01:50:07):
Have you seen that?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I have seen them three times, so I gave this
one a miss. But I'll tell you what I don't think.
And we had Chris Schultz on this morning. He was
talking about films and he'd been last night and he
said he's a very experienced, slightly jaded Consio and he
said to me he felt it a little bit schmoltzy
and a little bit everything on que and a bit
yeah practiced and things like that. And I said to him, Yeah,

(01:50:31):
but you know what, that's what you want. You went
and had a magical night, and that's what you got.
Bang for your buck, You've got your confetti, your fireworks,
you've got everything. You've got your favorite songs. I like
a band that is prepared to go back and play
the songs for the fifty millionth time and because that's
actually what they know the audience wants. So I saw

(01:50:51):
them first in two thousand and one. They came out
for big day out Estelle. You're too young to remember this,
and the record company said too. I was working in
music TV and the record company said, Hey, we're doing
this small private show at Galatos, which is a sort
of a very small venue in k Road with this
tiny little stage, and they said, you've got to come
and see this band. They're called Cold Playing. They're going

(01:51:12):
to be the next biggest band in the world, right right,
We'll come for a bad oh, So you go along.
And they came out on stage and Chris Martin was
wearing a yellow T shirt, I think brown pants and
bare feet. They played a couple of songs, so this
was the album Parachutes, you know, Spies, Yellow Shiver, Trouble,
and then he played a couple of songs on his
own and the root that The feel in the room

(01:51:34):
just changed. And at one point there was a guy
standing next to me. He turned me, he went, what
was going on? He was looking around the room. Every
female in that room had just fallen in love with
Chris Martins. He sang like he was singing just to you.
He didn't have to try hard, just had the charisma,
had the voice, had the songs.

Speaker 22 (01:51:50):
And actually, and that was to think he played Yellow
in a small environment.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
It was tiny, and I just think we that gig
finished and we all each other went, oh, actually, they
may be the next biggest band in the world.

Speaker 9 (01:52:03):
It was phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
I'll never forget it. I remember that probably more than
I remember the two other gigs I've been to to
see them play since.

Speaker 22 (01:52:10):
Because that's a magic moment in the starting part of
a career, right that actually then catapults somewhere crazy and
then to come to huge gigs like this where they're
selling out around the world, and you know what, I'm
okay with the schmaltz and stuff, because there's enough negativity
around in the world. You can go to a place
and just escape there for a bit then. And also
like it should be a well oiled machine. You know,
you've got you've got, you've got pyrotechnics going off all

(01:52:31):
the way, and there's got to be something that's that's
rehearsed about there. And I'm okay with that, Like it's
okay to be slack, I think, you know. But he's
also like you say that charisma.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Just doesn't die in him, does it, Like doesn't need
to try.

Speaker 22 (01:52:47):
Also, even park, Holy moly, first cons that I've come
away from and my ears aren't ringing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Oh fantastic.

Speaker 22 (01:52:53):
The sounds around the stadium was really great. The people
on the ground, security, all the staff like just did
a really great job at looking after everybody and getting
people to the right places. We turned up on the
opposite side of the stadium and some security guy got
a renoy onto a cart and we were delivered rounds
to the right side.

Speaker 10 (01:53:13):
Stelle.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Normally we get you to rate an album. If we
were going to get you to rate a concert, what
would you give it?

Speaker 22 (01:53:18):
Oh my gosh, Look, this is really hard because alf
and John concerts have always been right at the height
of my up there, but this was pretty close. I think,
a really magical experience. And if I'm going to go
with the mom and daughter thing, I mean, that's not
love ifever you're going to get it. So I'm going
to have to give it a ten out of ten.
I think it was magical to see how beautiful face
love that so much.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Stelle, rest up, Enjoy the rest of your birthday weekend.
I'm good shopping.

Speaker 14 (01:53:38):
It's my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Thanks for your time today. That was Estelle. Clifford and
will play a little bit more cold Play shortly giving you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
The inside scoop on all you need to know. Saturday
Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in for Jack Day and be
pure Quality Supplements for essential energy news talks that'd be no.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Estelle's review is bringing back memories. Estelle's review was bang
on a text reads a concert to be remembered. More
tears in my eyes, tiny texts to say though. He said,
funny how people's taste varies. I respect I view and taste,
but for me, Eden Park would have been like prison.
I have an enormous collection of music, lots of vinyl CDs,
digital audio and visual music. I'm so pleased you enjoyed them.

(01:54:23):
There's nothing like a live gig and Galatos is still going,
which yeah it is. I have seen some pretty amazing
because that's what used to happen with concerts like the
Big Day Out. Often an artist would come in that
we didn't know very well, and the record companies would
use it as an opportunity to introduce you to them,
or you would get a little private they would do
a little industry gig like food fighters would do them

(01:54:45):
all the time and things like that. So you get
to go and see see these artists who are normally
on a mess with stage in this tiny environment. That's
when you can pack who the real artists are. Right,
fantastic venue. I have some wonderful memories of the Galatos right.
Coming up next, Jason Pine is with you for weekend sport.
Don't forget no Sunday session tomorrow morning, but news Talks

(01:55:07):
you'd be will of course be bringing you the live
commentary of the All Blacks France game nineteen am kickoff.
Jason Pinn will be with you when the game finishes
as well, so I'm sure there will be lots to discuss.
Going to leave you with a little bit more coldplay
here is Paradise, have a fantastic weekend. Take care, sar Sky.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
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