Full Show Podcast: 17 August 2024

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I'm going to ask her about some of those experiences
into new book when she joins us after ten, as
well as that this morning we are going to do
the maths. We're going to run the algorithm and work
out if the Warriors have any mathematical chance of making
the playoffs. I'll tell you what it is. Starting to
get into act of God territory, I think, plus, of course,
the all backs counting down to that check off tonight,

(02:07):
Eden Park against Argentina as they look to exact some
vengeance from last week's performance. Right now, though it's nine
minutes past nine.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Jack team of all.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
The global stars to rise from this year's Olympics, Simone Biles,
Katie Ladecki, Dame Lisa Carrington, you would have to say
that thirty six year old Macquarie University lecturer Rachel Gunn
is perhaps the unlikeliest ray Gun as per her stage
name is a true icon of these times, not because

(02:41):
she competed in the most modern of Olympic sports breaking,
but because, through the power of the Internet, her efforts
have become arguably the most recognizable of the entire Olympic Games.
If you haven't seen Raygun's performance, honestly, I don't know
where you've been. All I know is you definitely don't
have social media because the flood of clips and memes

(03:05):
celebrate remixing and or mocking her dancing has completely inundated
every bite of every feed on every platform. When most
of us think of breakdancing or breaking, we think of
incredibly athletic people spinning and twisting, you know, we think

(03:27):
of spinning, headstands, head slides, one handed, body freezers. Really
good breaking is basically just elite gymnastics set to hip hop, right,
But Reygun didn't do that stuff. She openly admits she
can't do that stuff. Instead, she did a range of

(03:47):
well pumps and thrusts that honestly wouldn't have been physically
beyond the reach of many of those people watching. You know,
for all those people who think that the Olympics would
be improved by having a mere mortal compete with the
elite athletes, you know, just to give you perspective on
how good they those athletes really are. I think anyone

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who saw ray Gun's signature move the kangaroo would have
to agree that, yeah, yep, this was that. Part of me,
part of me really admires her chutzpa, just imagine for
a moment, having the confidence to go to the Olympic Games,
to go to the Olympics only to pull out a

(04:29):
dance routine reminiscent of Jack Tame at the Grumpy Mole
circa two thousand and three. It's unbelievable. Internet culture has
a way of fixating on a person or a moment,
you know, with kind of maximum intensity right, only to
then move on in a couple of days time and

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the public shaming aspect, you would have to say, would
be very hard for anyone to endure, no matter their confidence.
Ray Gun is a global icon this week, but soon
enough the Internet will move on. I'll tell you what, though,
I think there will be one and during impact from
Raygun's performance, I stumbled across a clip earlier this week

(05:12):
that caught my eye. It was of a ridiculously good
breaker twisting and springing and you know, spinning like a
like a like a gymnast on a pommel horse, right,
except he was doing it on the ground. He did
this backwards worm, so he sort of tumbled back towards
the ground and seemingly bent his body against the direction

(05:34):
that all of his limbs open and closed. It was amazing,
like it was really amazing. Who is this? Where is this?
I wondered, and then I realized it was the Olympics.
Raygun's performance was so extraordinary it has completely overshadowed the
medalists in her sport. So many more people have seen
the kangaroo than have seen the actual winning performances. Can

(05:59):
you name an Olympic breakdancing medalist? It's funny, right you
remember the IOC said openly they wanted to bring new
audiences to the Games and that was part of the
reason they chose to include breaking. You would have to
say Breaking has certainly done that, just not in the
way that the IOC probably anticipated. And if they are

(06:20):
weighing up breaking's inclusion in any future games, the fact
that very few of us will recall more than a
plucky Aussie and a tucked in tracksuit does not bode
well for the Olympic future of the sport. Nine two
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Very shortly. We'll get Esporto's thoughts on the All Blacks
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Speaker 3 (07:19):
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Speaker 2 (07:29):
I think I for your messages this morning, Jack Well
said a good observation in your comment this morning. I
only realized when you were speaking, I haven't actually seen
any of the really good breakdownswers from the Olympics. I've
seen Raygun plenty of times, but I don't think after
all of this that breaking is going to be back
at the Games. Thank you for that, Peter, Who's took
me an email this morning. You can text me as
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Speaker 4 (07:49):
Um.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I'm going to get to more of your messages very shortly.
But Kevin mil is with us. First things first.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
This morning you go to Kevin kell a Jack, What
an awful fort Jack tame at the grumpy Mole.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, I know it's not not a pretty one in
a pretty sight. The thing is, I'm I mean, look,
I'm not going to be too critical of Raygun because
you know, you know, speaking of my own moves, I'm
sort of quite a limy dancer, you know, I've sort
of got it like an egg beater. Someone said once
that it was like a watching an albatross on stilts, right,

(08:21):
So not pretty. But that being said, it is just amazing,
you know, how you have these kind of little cultural moments,
and you know, heading into the Games, I don't think
many people would have expected thirty six year old university
lecturer Rachel Gunn to be the kind of icon of
the Games. But here we are.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
I'm one of those who haven't seen seen her either.
I've seen her name in print for it many times,
but now you've given me an excellent context. I'm going
to I don't.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Know, Kevin. You can't have been on social media all
of this week. Literally every single social media post this
week has been Raygun has been her doing the Kangaroo.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
I think I may have seen it, but just not
kind of reacted because they didn't have your piece. Yeah,
it's now given me a reason to actually watch it.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, well, there you go. And you've been reflecting on
the Olympics a bit as well, Kevin. You've been wondering
if actually competitive sport at the very highest level is
actually worth it.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Yeah. Well, when I supported my daughter Tommy and her
swimming ambitions, Jack, when we head off to the pool
for training it ridiculously early hours. You'll remember I used
to do this show from poolside Offen and when we
traveled to championship meetings all over the country. One thing
was in the back of my mind. Is all this

(09:39):
effort on my daughter's part worth it? Could the fifteen
hours training each week be better spent? I don't mean
another sport, I mean something non competitive, painting, photography, playing
in a band, A skillful life. Sure, being a great
swimmer sandy if you fall off a boat, but you

(10:00):
can achieve that without fifteen hours training a week for
four years. As it turned out, Tommy stayed in competitive
swimming till she was seventeen, felt she couldn't swim any
faster and gave it away with no regrets. I loved
watching the Olympics. I loved the achievements of the winners.
But I came away feeling I'd seen a lot of tears,

(10:22):
a lot of buster disappointment. I don't know about competitive
sport unless you're making big bucks out of it. When
you win, you're given something tougher to beat, and this
continues if you're lucky, right up to the Olympics, where
nearly everyone finally gets beaten. We rightly celebrate the winners,

(10:44):
but now my mind's on the losers. I wonder how
many who return home without medals will eventually wonder if
getting all the way to the Olympics was worth it?
Are the more useful ways to direct that extraordinary level
of effort and time and costs. You know, something, would

(11:05):
there be something that will help you more in later life.
With respect to the ancient Greeks, I think that might
be Jack.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'm sure there are, Kevin. That being said, I'll push
back your pushback on you with a couple of points.
First of all, I think there are lots of intangible
things that practicing a sport to an elite level must
teach you, right, Like Tommy must have learned so many
skills about discipline and organization and self management, lots of
skills that are going to put in great step going

(11:34):
into later life.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I also wonder if the reason we love watching sport
at the elite level is that it's a really digestible
way to see the kind of extremes of human emotion
in a forum that doesn't really matter. So you get
to see people like in total ecstasy, in the moments
of you know, in moments of glory, and then you
get to see people in moments of total pain and agony.

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And actually there's something deeply human about being able to
share in those experiences.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
I don't know, that's just the entertainment really from our
point of view. Yeah, thinking of the role and the
effect on the participants. Yeah, and they're not they're not
paid actors, no, of course. Well, I wonder your first point. First,
I mean I.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Think, I think, I think they've become then. I'm not
saying all sports are perfect, but they've definitely become more
aware of this, haven't they, and trying to support athletes,
especially as you know, sport gets more and more money
in it, more and more eyeballs watching it, the pressures
on these athletes become more and more pronounced and refined,
and you would hope that actually most of these athletes

(12:41):
are able to step back and maintain some perspective in
their lives as well. Yeah, well, I mean the way
I think about it is yeah, of course. And I
always think, like you know, for most people, just making
the Olympics is such an achievement. It's such an incredible thing.
And I know it's very easy to say that as
someone who's never going to make the Olympics. Well, unless

(13:02):
I actually take up a bit of breaking, I don't
know there could be an option there, But you know
what I mean, Like, for most athletes, I think even
just getting to the games as such an achievement. So
it probably depends on how you frame success.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yes, I guess so, Yeah, I guess so I accept
what you're saying. I just think that what enormous amount
of time and effort. I mean, if you're if you play,
if you're a rugby player, or you're a golfer ironically
both of them now and the Olympics. But you're actually
getting paid anyway, and you get paid for losing as

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well as winning.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
No, that's right.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
If you're in a sport that's just aimed at the
Olympics and you've spent years and years and thousands of
dollars and everything, all your effort's all gone into getting
into the Olympics, and you don't get a medal. I
just think, wonder how many I just wonder how many
look back on all that when they're thirty and say,

(14:02):
I wish I'd actually done something else.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, I spent my time learning to code or learning
Japanese or something. Thanks Kevin, appreciate your time as always.
Kevin Melney, thank you for your feedback as well. Jack.
My theory with Raygun is that she was being her
own research experiment. After all, she lectures and media and
arts and that kind of thing. She's obviously an intelligent woman.
She's got a PhD. She knew she couldn't compete physically,
but she did it. Anyway, So as far as I'm concerned,

(14:26):
I don't have any sympathy for she would have known
exactly what was going to happen. I'm not sure that
anyone can fully anticipate becoming a global sensation overnight, right,
I don't think anyone can fully anticipate that. But yes,
given her understanding of the sport and the culture, and
her abilities relative to some of the other people competing
at the Olympics, perhaps she should have known better. Ninety

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Speaker 3 (14:55):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks AIRBB.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
But fourteen o'clock on News Talks, heab We're going to
tell you about this amazing film showing at the New
Zealand International Film Festival. It's a documentary about midnight oil.
Apparently it is absolutely sensational. So I'm going to give
you a few more details on that very shortly. You
would have to say that the Warriors season has pretty
much come off the boil. I think they can still

(15:22):
just mathematically make the top eight, but like I said earlier,
it's really requiring a kind of act of God. I
think they're currently like, if they get maximum points from
this point fourth, they will end up with one point
on the team that's currently an eighth position, which means
that we have to hope that that team doesn't get
any other points and no one else overtakes them. So
it seems very unlikely indeed, but our sporto Andrew Saville

(15:45):
is always an optimist. Sev No, I'm not that's done, mate,
that God done.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
It's a shame they did. Even if there was an
absolute miracle of miracles and they didn't make the eighth position,
that probably lose in the third round anyway. I mean,
they had manly on the rack. This has been the
tail of this season. They had a very good manly
team on the rack through a lot of that game
last night in Sydney, but then just couldn't put them away.

(16:15):
And for all the adulation and there's been a lot
of it around Sewn Johnson and his retirement, I'll tell
you what a couple of times last night he.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Looked Yeah he did.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
His decision making later on in the tackle count left
a lot to be desired. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
So next week is going to be his last game
at home. Right, Is that right? If they've got to
buy first, I think yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
So I think they've got to buy in the last round.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, buy in the last round, right. So that's so.
So next week's his last game at home, So I
mean that that will be a huge occasional emotional time.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Yeah, and he does deserve it. But just in the
just just in the season, there's been a lot of inconsistency,
which again sums up the Warriors team itself. Look, I
think it's frustrating for a lot of Warriors fans and
that you look through this roster and it's a very
good team. Yeah, there's some big names there. There's some
expensive names there. There's some names that you should think

(17:10):
would win as a team, but they haven't. They've won
some games they you know, shouldn't have won, and vice versa.
I think Andrew Webster is a very good coach and
he will be back on his feet next year. But yeah,
it's frustrating for Warriors fans, it's for surely.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
So how are you feeling about Eden Park tonight?

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
It was funny because last week it was you know,
like if the Olympian.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Last week night meant that the Pumas would stick with
him for a while, which they did. I think if
that try had have been given and it was correctly
not given from a forward pass by the All Blacks,
so I think it was about the sixty sixty second
minute mark, I think the All Blacks would have pulled away.
I envisaged a similar story tonight where the Pumas might

(17:56):
well stick with the All Blacks for some time. But
you'd like to think after a few lessons were learned
last week and a few of the names have been
picked again the same names, you'd like to think that
the All Blacks would would would pull away. Now. Look,
the weather forecast is terrible, atrocious wind and rain is
forecast tonight for Eden Park. It's a gloomy day and

(18:17):
orkand as we speak, so that will factor into the
game itself. I'd imagine that the Pomas won't be too
disappointed if it pours down. They'll roll their sleeves up.
So it's up to that All Black pack, which is
pretty much unchanged, jack to front, to dominate the Argentinian forwards,
and then that will allow some sort of ball to

(18:39):
get to the young All Black backs, some of those
guys and that team Jack I think are lucky to
be selected again. So it's it's ahead of them tonight
to to correct what happened last week and to and
to beat this argent and NT and to keep this
Eden Park record going.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, yeah too right? You remember the grummy mold, are you?

Speaker 4 (19:03):
No?

Speaker 5 (19:03):
I think I was gone from christ.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I see, I'm of the I'm of the like Shooters,
grumpy Mole era it down on the Sunday morning kind
of vibes, you know.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
I was more sort of Palladium.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Ah, yeah, there we go my house, right. I can't
imagine that the dance moves would have differed too much
between them. But I've just been reflecting on ray Gun's
performance this week and the sort of the breakout star
of the Olympic Games that no one necessarily expected. But
with a little bit of water under the bridge, how
are you reflecting on the game?

Speaker 5 (19:43):
I heard what you said before and I couldn't agree more.
I still don't think I've seen the gold medal dance,
have you?

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I have, only because I realized, But only because I
realized that the other day I was like, who is
this amazing dancer? And then I realized and it was
a mash up of dancing of breaking at the Games,
and I was like, oh my god, I've seen every
second of ray Guns performances, but I haven't seen any
of these amazing breakers. And and you know, it is funny.

(20:11):
The situation is funny. I think it's funny, but but
it is kind of a shame, like you think.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
For I thought, I thought, this isn't I remember break dancing.
You'd throw the cardboard down and you'd spin on your
head or travel on your back. And I thought, surely,
surely there's someone else in Australia that can break dance
and the second point jack and following up your last

(20:37):
point there, I think it's It was hugely disrespectful to
the men and women who've worked all their lives even
harder the last three or four years to make the
Olympics and to win a medal, and you've got that
woman on the stage basically looking like she's had a
six pack dancing in a nightclub. But it was ridiculous

(20:58):
and luckily breaking or break dancing was gone from LA already,
it's not going to be there.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Well, I just this is what I mean. I'm like,
it's kind of I feel like it sunk and.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
There are events where there's a where there's an outsider
and they you know, the two laps behind the leading
swimmers or a lap behind the leading runners make giyea.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Eric swims just made Yeah, the key lead.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
The key we means c two crew that went shouldn't
have been there, shouldn't have been there, but they were
in the k for kayak and they made the final,
and so that's a little bit different. But yeah, I
just thought very disrespectful to the Olympic movement and Olympics.
And yeah, it's not often you sit there and you
watch the Olympics and you think, geez, I could have
done it a few ers.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
The game tonight. That's right. I don't know why that
curted me out so much. It's just that's true. It's
so true. I honestly could have done.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Better than that.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Anyway, the tags number before ten o'clock this morning, we're
in the kitchen. But next up, if you are looking
for something good to watch, maybe after the rugby, call
this evening. Two fantastic films to tell you about. Right now,
it's twenty five to tenure with Jack Tame. This is
news talks.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
He'd be.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
News talks he'd been you with Jack Tame. This is
the New Zealand pop duo Foley. The song's care Time
in My Life, Very poppy, yay, very upbeat. Follows had
kind of an amazing year. They were nominated for an
Altior Music Award. They sold out shows in New York
and LA and even managed to wriggle their tune into
an episode of The Kardashians. That little bit came from

(22:59):
my producer. I swear I wasn't watching The Kardashians, and
then it just popped up and I said, oh my gosh,
that definitely didn't happen. Thank you so much for your
feedback this morning. Jack, Let's not forget ray Gun went
through qualification, so technically she was Australia. Australia's best, says
very That's the other thing, actually, it's it was quite
un Australian. Well in one sense, right, you've got the

(23:20):
Aussie Batman kind of thing, but you also have Australians
just being really good at sport, and yeah, that wasn't
necessarily anyway. Time to get your film picks for this week.
Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewer. She's here with us
this morning, killed, How are you feeling about ray Gun?

Speaker 8 (23:39):
Are you trying to talk you about that? Because warning age,
I don't understand after such an intrudable Olympics, are we
focused on this? Why after Australia head one of the
best limps behead, are we focused on this?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah? I know, it's It's just that talks to internet culture,
don't you think how Francesca. It kind of talks to
the the things that get people's attention. They wanted to
bring new audiences to the game, and I think ray
Gun has definitely achieved that. Anyway, let's talk about this
week's films. We'll have a listen to one that is
showing at the New Zealand International Film Festival. This is

(24:15):
the hardest line. We wanted to write material that ed
you write in the face and say this is the truth.
You need to lend your voice to things.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
You can't stay silent, even if.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
You're pushed to the walls on the things that you
believe in.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Okay, that's the hardest line. It's showing at the International
Film Festival and it's a doco on Midnight Oil. Tell
us about it.

Speaker 8 (24:49):
Francisco Comentary should do the variety of things, right, it
should reveal to us.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, Francisca, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt you right there.
For whatever reason, we have a terrible connection with your line.
So we'll just see if we can get that sorted
out and then we'll come back and get your thoughts
on that in just a moment. Yeah, So the Hardest
Line is showing the National Film Festival. It's about Midnight
Oil and it's got heaps of really good old archival
footage of Manata Oil performing. So yeah, if you are

(25:21):
a Midnight Oil fan or you want to, you know,
go and go and follow them from the earliest days
through their incredible rise, The Hardest Line could be a
very good option. Also, after ten o'clock this morning, as
well as our interview with Jody Pico very much looking
forward to that, we're going to tell you about this
amazing new docco it's called the Chloe Ailing Story. Remember

(25:42):
she was that model who was kidnapped and ended up
being released and became a kind of media sensation. But
there's so much detail around that high profile case that
we don't really know a whole lot about. So we're
going to explain that to you after ten o'clock this morning,
but we reckon Franchisca is back and that the mine
is good. Are you there now? Say Peter Piper pick

(26:08):
of Papers. What did he do.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
The read to.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
Get on and talk about?

Speaker 10 (26:14):
I really love this film. I really do love this film,
and I think I love a good music documentary. And
as I was saying, it should do a variety of
things that should reveal you information for us. It should
appeal to a broader audience than just a fan base
of that particular band or artist. And it should also
have you immediately when you finished it, kind of visiting

(26:37):
the band or the artist's music. And that absolutely happened
with the Hardest Line for me tells the story of
Midnight Oil for the first time. Of course, these guys
kind of hit the seventies pop rock scene in Sydney.
They were they sort of had this hard driving sound,
was socially where lyrics. They very much reflected what was

(26:59):
happening in Australia. They were sort of young people rebellion
gainst politics and all sorts of bits and pieces. What
I love about this doco was that everyone's involved. So
the band is involved. They take us through the story
and how they started, how they developed, how albums and
their sound changed, the highs and the lows. And the

(27:19):
great thing about it is they're not just talking heads.
They're not just people sitting in a studio talking us.
Through this story. They've found some incredible archive footage which
accompanies their narrations, so you really kind of get a
sense of who this band was. It's entertaining and it
kind of takes you on a little bit of a
ride through a period of time as well, and it takes,

(27:41):
as they said, that sort of you know, we follow
the band and we also followed their musical development, We
follow Peter garretton to politics, and then of course we
take a look at some of those really memorable moments
where they did protests and things, and of course probably
the two thousand Sydney Olympics will come to mind for
people when they came out wearing like black pajamas or
black sweatpants with sorry written on them.

Speaker 11 (28:02):
Yeah, because of course they had.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
They were very, very outspoken about the relationship between Australia
and its averige nes and things like that. So it's
a wonderful doco. It's really really well done.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
You don't have to be a fan in Midnight Oil.

Speaker 10 (28:15):
It is playing in the New zeal At International Film Festival.
I am crossing my fingers it will come back because
I think it's really going to appeal to a kivy audience.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
That sounds so good. That sounds great. So that's the
hardest line. I'm glad that we're able to get you
on a bit of line to explain that. Francisca, let's
have another listen to the Instigators.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
The mayor.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
It's going to be holding our party on election night
and there's going to be money there like none of
your bombs have ever seen.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
It's sure first, Joe, I know what I'm doing. I'll
lead for a Christian Yeah, there's sixty quick question. If
I'm doing instructions and they're not do enough.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Just see hey have a gun. Okay. This is The Instigators,
the highest film starring Matt Damon and Casey Affleck. It's
on Apple TV. Plas tell us about it.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
This is kind of a light, pretty low comedy host
It's directed by Doug Lyman. This is the third project
he's done with Matt Damon. They were responsible for The
Born Identity and the film kind of starts down a
little bit of Oceans eleven and you think, oh, okay, cool.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
Where's this going to go?

Speaker 10 (29:17):
But this is not kind of the slick or swanky
heist film that you're used to, And it's not kind
of you know, the Bourne Identity was so sort of
breasthtaking with the action that it provided us and everything.
This is not that film. This is a very This
is a film about a couple of guys played as
you said, by Matt Damon and Casey Affleck, who really
are quite useless. So this is a heist that goes wrong.

(29:40):
We're in Boston. There's kind of a grip to it.
And to be honest with you, I kind of got
to the end of film and I went all the
point of that.

Speaker 11 (29:51):
Ye, I'm not really sure.

Speaker 10 (29:53):
I'm not really sure. We had a lot of fun.
There's lots of great lines between the two of them.
They get on brilliantly. The performance of the Fabulous It's
packed with great cabinos and performances by all sorts of
peace people.

Speaker 8 (30:06):
But at the end of it, kind of what's the
point of that?

Speaker 10 (30:09):
And I think the point of it was it's to
have a lot of fun and to remind us that
crime doesn't pay. I think if you settle into this film, don't,
as I say, expect it to be slick and slanky.
Like we've sort of seen from these guys before. This
is a film where they kind of underplay it. It's
quite deadpan. Casey affleckx mumble really get to me. It's
more just to kind of sit back and watch these

(30:30):
watchers kind of unfold. It's a bit of light entertainment.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah right, Okay, cool. That's the Instigators. That's on Apple TV.
Plus The Hardest Line is the one showing in the
New Zealand International Film Festival. And you know how I's
telling you about that TV show, the Chloe Ailing Story,
the documentary series. We're going to have more details on
that for you after ten o'clock this morning. Right now,
it is quarter to.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
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Speaker 2 (31:00):
Talking Greg So critic Raygun scammed every Aussie a free
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Jack part of me wouldn't be surprised if it ends
up being a massive experiment. We're going to see lots
and lots of academic papers written about this in years
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I know that our cook, Nicky Wiks will be much

(31:22):
less cynical about ray Gun's breakout performance at the Olympic
Games and her subsequent in for me, good morning.

Speaker 12 (31:29):
Good morning, ray Gun, sway Gun.

Speaker 13 (31:31):
I mean, you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
That's the spirit.

Speaker 12 (31:35):
I still enjoyed watching that. I watched I watched Nadia Komenichi,
Oh yeah, years banging a stick on the ground, and
that was just fantastic.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
That was a bit of a highlight for But anyway, hey,
we're talking abouts this morning, which is great, very timely,
because I got home last night late from work. Friday
is always a mession for me. Got home from work,
was freezing cold. We had nothing in the house, or
at least I thought we had nothing, because we had
a couple of hand of lentils. I had about a
third a stick of charzzo, a little bit of a

(32:07):
couple of couple of spices, a little bit of garlic bobs.
Your uncle delicious the things is you can just turn
a meal out of nothing. Yeah, but you can can
and yeah, and.

Speaker 12 (32:17):
Look, I just love to hear that because that is
a pantry staple used well. And we often think, oh,
we've got nothing in the house, what rubbish we have.
We've got plenty. We're holding stock, as I say, people
with our cans and that, and I think legooms, chickpeas,
you know, all those sort of things are just you know,
the beans and all that kind of thing are fantastic.
Lentils They've got a bit of a bad rap. I

(32:38):
love them to bits, and you're right. They make a
really satisfying meal, packed full of protein, packedful of amino
acids that our body needs. So let's face it, we
are not talking about these being an option in your diet.
They're actually necessary. Not eating some beans, some chickpeas, frozen
peas they count, or lentails, your body is actually not
getting something that it really needs every single week. So

(33:02):
it's like not drinking water.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You wouldn't think of it.

Speaker 12 (33:04):
But look, I've got a roastby chicken lent tools and
this is just an absolutely beautiful dish. It's it's just
to stand by in my house. Look, I've scaled this
up a bit to serve about four people, and it
takes a whole tin of lentours, because sometimes it's a
pain to have half a tin lent around. I hate
some oil in a and a saucepan, and I brown
the chicken. I add into the and then I can

(33:27):
take the chicken out if you like. And then you
know if you want to brown the onions and carrots
without it, or if your pot's big enough, you can
cram it all in there. One large onion chopped, one
large carrot chopped, a nice big sprig of rosemary. You
could use time as well in this saute that all
for about two or three minutes, and then pour in
about a.

Speaker 14 (33:44):
Cup of stock. You can even use water.

Speaker 12 (33:45):
Jack doesn't matter a bit. The next option, the next
little ingredient the pomegranate molasses. You might go, I haven't
got that. It's got a sweetness, it's got a tag
to it. So if you don't have any pomegran granite molasses,
I'm going to say, why not put a squeeze of
lemon juice and half a teaspoon of brown sugar.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
That'll get you there.

Speaker 12 (34:03):
I mean you know it's different, but it'll kind of
give you the same notes if you like. I'm using
two tablespoons of pomegranate molasses. I cover that pot and
then I sim it for about twenty twenty five minutes.
The chicken should be cooked through. I use drums for this.
I love the sort of the succulentness of that bonus
thigh with the bone and skin on, all that sort

(34:23):
of thing. When that chicken looks like it's cooked. Add
in your lentils. You can drain those off beforehand, I
think is a good idea. Otherwise that gelatinous kind of
liquid around it. I don't love that, so add in
your drained lentils. Similar it with the lid off for
five or ten minutes.

Speaker 15 (34:38):
That'll just reduce it a little bit.

Speaker 12 (34:40):
Taste it, season it with a bit of salt and pepper,
Serve it with a salad, Serve it on its own,
Garnish it with some parsley. It's amazing, Jack, It's such
a beautiful dish, and a really lovely one for these
sort of not quite so cold but still sort of
cozy nights.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, yeah, cozy. That's a good way to put it.
A cozy night in n dish.

Speaker 12 (34:59):
Yeahlini beans you can use, you can use those there.
I've also done this where I've swapped out the pomegranate
molasses in the row and lots of greater ginger and
some soy sauce in there, and then you've got a
kind of more of an Asian style and it's just
as beautiful.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Oh yeah, okay, Yeah, that's the thing. It's quite versatile.
You can actually just change the You just change a
couple of little ingredients there, and you get quite quite
a different flavor profile. Absolutely. I've said it once, I've
said it thrice. I'll say it every time you're on
the show. Any recipe with pomegranate molasses gets the jack
Tame seal of approval. Oh I love it.

Speaker 12 (35:34):
I thought you were going to say you get flooded
with texts and emails.

Speaker 16 (35:38):
We were going, oh that ingredient.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
We bought it once and we never use it again.

Speaker 12 (35:42):
I use it with everything. You must be the same
dressing on ice cream. It's just throw it at a
stew It's it's a magic.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
It's what makes a ling, isn't it. And I just
feel like, yeah, very good, all right, you take care
and we will catch again very so thank you so much.
Nicki Necki works there. Our cook with her recipe for
this week that Rosemary chicken and length of recipe will
be up on the News talks. He'd bite. If you're
wanting to cook along at home, have a cozy night

(36:10):
in this evening, perhaps you're gonna sit down listen to
Elliot Smith's call is the All Blacks take on Los
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way to get their recipe is just to go to
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That's where we put everything from our show, so Francesca's
movie picks, they'll be up there, Nicky's recipe, our screen

(36:31):
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I just thought it was funny. But when you think
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I don't know, would you feel a bit better? Maybe
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She is an incredibly successful novelist. I mean she has

(37:55):
sold gazillions of copies of her stories around the world,
and she's got an amazing new premise for her latest book. Basically,
Jody reckins that Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare. She reckons that
behind the scenes, behind the name was a very clever woman.
So she's going to tell us all about the woman
who she reckons might have written some of Shakespeare's most

(38:18):
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You were jactat on New Dog ZEDB. Jody Picot is
an author with a pen game strong enough to induce
real tears, which you will know if you have ever
read My Sister's Keeper or seen the movie adaptation starring
Cameron Diaz. But Jody has written almost thirty books now
she has sold about forty million copies of her works.

(39:27):
Forty million, of course, she writes across a diverse range
of different genres, from thrillers to romance novels to ghosts
stories and her latest book, By any Other Name, is
a step into historical fiction of sorts, with intertwining narratives
between two women, both past and present. Jody Picou is

(39:49):
with us this morning, Calder good morning, Well, thank you,
Sam to you it is. It is great to be
speaking with you, and congratulations on By any Other Name.
It is a story of two fascinating women in two
different eras who have some experiences that could be defined
being she and some unique experiences as well. But perhaps

(40:09):
you could start off by explaining to our audience who
is Amelia Bassano?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Sure so? Amelia Bassano is a real life historical figure
who was a female writer in the fifteen hundred sixteen hundreds.
She was the first published female poet in all of
England when she was in her late forties. However, it

(40:35):
is my belief, for many reasons, that she was actually
writing many years before that, and in fact paid someone
for the use of their name so that her work
could be shown in front of the public, because as
a female playwright, you could not have your work in
front of the public back then in Elizabethan times. And
I think the guy she paid for the use of
his name was a little man named William Shakespeare.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
I mean that is just so tantalizing as a storyline
kind of thread, right, How did you come across her
in the first place.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
So I actually was an English major and I absolutely
loved Shakespeare. Maybe for five seconds. In a seminar we had,
a professor said, you know, there's a question about whether
Shakespeare wrote all his plays, and I laughed it off.
And then a few years ago I was reading an
article in the Atlantic by a woman named Elizabeth Winkler
in which she said that Shakespeare had two daughters and

(41:31):
he never taught either of them to read or write. Now,
the reason I fell in love with Shakespeare was because
of the proto feminist characters like Portia and Beatrice and
Rosalind and Kate right, And I thought, oh, no, no, no,
there is no way that the guy who created those
three dimensional women wouldn't have taught his own daughters how
to read or write. I just didn't buy it. And
you know, lots of candidates have been posed as potential

(41:53):
authors of the Shakespearean plays, but I had never heard
of the one that this woman, Elizabeth Winkler, suggested, and
that was Amelia Bessano. And I started to do this
deep dive into her life. And the thing about shakespeare
life is that we know a lot about him, none
of which shows that he's actually a playwright, you know.
But for years academics have kind of twisted themselves up

(42:16):
in knots to explain away things that don't make sense
in his life. And Emilia's life fit very seamlessly into
all of those gaps. And because of that, I thought
it was certainly worth looking at. I mean, to me,
this is really a book about how women have been
written out of history by the men who were writing it,
and about how women's voices have been overlooked and silenced

(42:38):
and are still being silenced today in many places. So
in a way, it's a very weird thing to have
written a book that takes place half the time in Elizabethan, England.
That is probably the most timely novel I ever written.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
It is certainly timely eating through your own experience, which
we will get to in a moment. So you said
you were a Shakespeare fan. Was it kind of was
it you fall in love immediately or was it something
wereby once you kind of engage and was and were
able to unret the language and the storyline, arcs, and
the incredible date of some of those characters at the
very least that you.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Really, I mean, certainly, I you know, I think my
favorite play is actually Romeo and Juliet, very pedantic, but
the first one I read, and I'm still you know,
I'm happily married, and I've been still waiting for a
guy to come up and just speak in the sonic Naturally, isn't.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Too much to ask, Jody, isn't too much to ask, right.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
But you know, I loved that play for so many reasons.
And then as I began to study more of the plays,
and I really I fell in love, like I said,
with the language, but also with these female characters who
were just so richly drawn, because that was not a
norm of the time. And maybe that's because it was
a woman writing them, you know, So I mean, certainly.

(43:48):
I Then also, I think I had a tendency in
college to canonize Shakespeare. We talk a lot about Shakespeare
almost in mythological terms. You know, one who wrote thirty
eight plays while he held had two full time jobs.
He was a producer and an actor. He was a
pair the only play right in all of Elizabeth in England.
Who didn't collaborate, you know, which makes zero sense, you know,

(44:12):
but that's not really that's not really the story. That's
what's been created around him to create to make him
the bard. What do we know about you know, Shakespeare literally.
We know that he was a businessman above all else.
We know that he evaded taxes twice. We know that
he had restraining orders taken out against him by colleagues.
We know that when there was a famine he bought

(44:33):
up all the grain in Stratford and jacked up the
prices for his neighbors. He was a lovely We know
that he never left the country, although he wrote about
places like Denmark and Italy and Egypt with details that
weren't available in guide books. We know he never played
an instrument, but there are more references to musical knowledge
in the Shakespeare plays than any other body of literature.

(44:54):
We know he wasn't university educated, but when he died
he didn't own a single book of his own, and
when he also had, he had no praise from any
other playwrights, which is also very strange for someone who
was the best known name of the time. What we
don't know about him that he wrote a single word
attributed to him.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
It's so delicious, just as a Frost speak. Did you
find then that after this proceeds, compared to how you
first engage with Shakespeare, do you think least of the man?

Speaker 15 (45:25):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Yeah, way, let's you know. But also more importantly I
think more of Amelia? Yeah right? So Amelia, like, let's
look at her life in counterpoint. So she is born
to an Italian family and her family is incredibly talented musically.
They are found by Henry the eighth and they're brought
over to England as the recorder consort to the King

(45:46):
and then to Queen O. She's Jewish, but she has
to hide her faith because you couldn't be Jewish at
the time in England. At seven, her dad dies and
she's given as award to this countess, and it's the
best situation for her because she winds up getting this
amazing legal and classical education. When the countess gets remarried
and she's twelve years old, she winds up living with
the count his brother for a summer, the same summer

(46:08):
that he, as ambassador to Denmark went to go visit
the King and Queen there. And you know characters that
happen to be named in Hamlet, although again Shakespeare never
went to Denmark. The next year, she becomes the mistress
at age thirteen to the Lord Chamberlain of England, and
for ten years she's with him. He's fifty six years old,
huge age difference, but he's in charge of all theater

(46:31):
in England. So through him, she is going to see
every play that crosses his desk. She's going to meet
all the playwrights, all the producers, all the theater owners.
She's going to be immersed in that world. When she
gets pregnant at twenty three, he marries her off to
her wastrel of a cousin, because you couldn't have a
pregnant mistress living in your house when you were married.
And this guy is a terrible man. He's our cousin.

(46:54):
He blows through all the money that the Lord Chamberlain
has settled on her to keep her safe for years,
and she winds up at twenty three with a kid,
a husband she hates, and she has to somehow make
a living. And then we don't know what happens until
we see that book of poetry that she publishes in
sixteen eleven. But there are decades between them, which leads
beve you know she was writing under someone else's name.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, I'm sure that everyone asks you about this, but
you are famed for the depths of your research and
your novel. So just to remind our listeners, and this
is only a short selection. You have lived briefly with
the Amish, traveled to Botswana, you have been to prison,
you've observed cardio surgery. So what kind of research was
involved in by any other name?

Speaker 4 (47:39):
So I wound up, first of all, finding all the
historical primary sources that I could find about Amelia, which
are not many. Most of her life we know about
because of a diary of this astrologer slash hack doctor
that she went to when she was having all these miscarriages.
And he kept the amazing diaries in which he talks

(48:00):
about what she said to him and also how he
tried to get her to sleep with him and she
said no anyway. And so this diary in the Ashmolean
now and in it you know all week. But everything
I just told you about her life is all in
that diary. I also wound up speaking to multiple academics,
a lot of female Shakespeare scholars in particular, I talked

(48:21):
to the head historian at the Globe Theater. I had
this amazing document that was someone God blessed them put
digitized every single day of Queen Elizabeth the First's reign,
so I knew what happened every single day. So when
I read about a joust, it happened on that day.
And when I tell you that after it was on

(48:41):
a mission, he was on a mission. So I was
able to really reference it historically. There's also an incredible
map called the August Map that another wonderful author, Deborah Harkness,
put me onto, and it allows you to overlay Elizabethan
England on top of modern England, so you can see
exactly where all the places were that I was writing about.
So I was kind of juggling all of this Elizabethan stuff,

(49:04):
you know, in my head as I was was writing
a millia.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, that's extraordinary. How amazing to have that, you know,
those kind of resources. I suppose it's given the nature
of the subject, you're fortunate to be able to benefit
from some of those things. Like I mentioned, as you mentioned,
women's voices are still being silenced in certain spaces. I
think it's just over a year now since a number
of your books were removed from schools after a public

(49:30):
campaign by advocacy groups who said they were inappropriate for
young readers. What have you made of that whole experience.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
I have become a very vocal advocate to fight book banning.
It is endemic in my country. It has only gotten worse.
My own books were banned well over forty times last
year alone in Iowa. Nineteen Minutes is the most banned
book in Iowa. Last week, state of Utah actually passed

(50:00):
a law that removes thirteen novels from bookshelves completely, which
is straight out crazy band. I mean, it's a very
slippery slope and it's very dangerous because you know, when
it's legitimate for a parent to decide what they want
their child to read, it is not legitimate for that
parent to make decisions about everybody else's child. And of

(50:20):
course it is a very slippery, slippery slope. We've seen
challenges increase ninety two percent in public libraries. We have
seen laws that are being passed to punish publishers that
send books directly to schools, and we've also seen change
some progress in that there are multiple lawsuits that have

(50:41):
been enacted against in Iowa and against people in Florida.
The school districts in Florida that have enacted bands. Publishers
and writers are banding together to sue these school districts
to kind of raise awareness and to get these very
poorly worded laws overturned because we have our educators living
in a culture of fear. But you know, to bring
it again back to by any other name, I think

(51:02):
that's what makes this so timely. We are in America,
We're watching women's reproductive rights being stripped away, and we
are still living in a time where people are making
decisions about what kind of story should be told and
who should be the people who tell them. That is
exactly what Elizabeth Thinningland was like.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, just honestly just absurd. To
view it from the outside, it feels like the real
time erosion of civilization or something. I know that sounds grandiose,
but it feels like that.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Well, you know. The funny thing was, I very distinctly
remember writing a scene in this book in which a
Puritan was on an overturned great in front of one
of the theaters in Elizabeth in England and this again
was lifted right out of history and was complaining about
the moral depravity of theater and how it took people
away from God and how all of these theaters needed

(51:51):
to be shut down. And I was reading, you know,
I'm writing this, and I'm reading what I'm writing, and
I was like, oh my gosh, these are the book banners.
Like it's just the same thing over and over again,
this idea of considered to be mature content and morally depraved.
You know, what they're calling morally depraved is actually the

(52:11):
kind of information that kids get to use to make
sense of a very difficult world, that gives them a
sense of place and allows them to explore worlds and
people they don't know in a safe space. I mean,
books create empathy. Book bands, you know, destroy it.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I see the Black Lives Matter sign behind you. So
how are you feeling well? Speaking of Shakespeare, and I suppose,
how are you feeling about the next hundred days or so?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Well, I feel a lot better than it was a
few weeks ago. Yeah, you know, it's been really interesting. Again.
I feel like this book to me feels so perfectly
placed because we are in we're at a crossroads in America.
I feel like we're literally standing here and in one
direction we have the threat of a national abortion pan

(53:00):
and on the other direction, we have the chance, a
very real chance. I think of having our first female
president of color, our first female president, and she happens
to be one of color. And you know, I'm kind
of like sitting here going, Okay, America, your move which
way you're gonna go?

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Can I come to New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Look?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Please? We would be delighted to have you, absolutely delighted. Yeah,
thank you so much for your time. Congratulations on by
any other name. I know our listeners are just so
excited to get into it, and we do hope that
we see you in New Zealand sometime soon.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
You too, I love it there. It's such a great country.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Thanks Jody. That is Jody Picot. Her new book is
by any other Name. All the details, of course, are
up on the news talks. He'd be website before eleven o'clock.
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want to have to interact with the real world. Good news,
we have three fantastic shows to recommend in our screen
time segment. It's twenty two minutes past tenure with Jack Tamee.
This is News Talks.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
He'db start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with
Jack dam and bpure dot co dot inset for high
quality supplements used talks dB.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Jack. Absolutely love that interview with Jodi Picoe. She's such
an amazing writer, incredibly clever. Went to Princeton University. Didn't
know that ego, I went to Princeton University. My sister's
keeper would have to be up there with one of
my favorite books of all time. Can't wait for her
new one. Thank you very much, Jane. If you want
to flick us an email like Jane Didjackitnewstalk's hedb dot
co dot inzet is the email address. If you feel

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like less reading more just veging. Good news. Tara Award,
our screen time expert, is here with her picks for
this weekend. I don't want to suggest for a moment, Tara,
that you're not a literary person, that you aren't intellect
shall in any sense, but you know what I mean.
Sometimes it's nicest to be down on the couch.

Speaker 17 (55:09):
Absolutely, I'm here for all in any kind of veging.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, very good, me too. That makes two of us okay,
three shows to work through this morning. Let's begin with
one that is streaming on three Now, tell Us About
Douglas is Canceled.

Speaker 17 (55:23):
This is a new British comedy drama that was written
by Stephen Moffett, who wrote shows like Doctor Who and Sherlock.
And it stars Hugh Boneville and Karen Gillen, and it's
about what happens when a public figure is canceled. Hugh
Boneville plays a well known newsreader called Douglas, who, after
a few drinks and a family wedding, makes a sexist

(55:43):
joke and that moment goes viral on social media and
Douglas faces a public backlash and has to try and
save his reputation. And the show is a satire about
navigating the modern world of social media and spins and
how different generations view different issues in a different way.
And you never know what the terrible joke is. Douglas

(56:04):
doesn't remember it, and so there's this ambiguity that runs
through the show about what he really said and how
bad was it really And this reminded me a bit
of a mix between like The Morning Show with the
newsroom set up and the issues around sexism and something
like The Thick of It. It's got that really fast,
sharp British dialogue that pokes fun at a lot of

(56:25):
ridiculous things in the world. The first two episodes feel
like a comedy, and then by the third the tone
shifts a bit and it's a lot darker and more
intense and takes you somewhere else. So it's not always
the most subtle of shows, but it's very topical and
I think it will resonate with a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
But isn't that yeah, okay, cool, that sounds interesting. What
a good premise that you never know exactly what Douglas
has said or done? And Stephen Moffett, oh, like one
of the absolute greats, right him? And is it an
ando Ynachi? Yeah? For me the test. Okay, So that's
Douglas's canceled. That's on three now on TVNZ plus. Kidnapped
The Chloe Ailing Story.

Speaker 17 (57:03):
This is a new true crime drama that started on
TVNZ Plus this week. It's made by the BBC and
it's based on a true story from twenty seventeen about
a young woman named Chloe Ailing. And Chloe was working
in Italy as a model. She was booked for a
photoshoot that wasn't real and she was kidnapped and held
hostage for a week. And this drama tells that story
from Chloe's perspective, because when she was released and went

(57:26):
back to Britain, she was very upfront in the media
about what had happened to her. There was a lot
of doubt about her story. She was accused of making
it up, and part of that was because Chloe didn't
fit the stereotypes or the public perception of how a
woman should act after she'd been through something like this.
So this drama is about both the kidnap ordeal and
the trial by media that she faced when she got

(57:48):
back to Britain, and it's a pretty gripping, thought provoking drama.
It's both fascinating and awful at the same time, and
they've really convincingly told told Chloe's story. It's just started
in the UK this week and TVNZ are getting the
episodes one day later, so there's not any time to
wait on that one. So if you are a true
crime fan, this is a muss watch.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah. Oh superb Okay, that's cannapped the Chloe ailing story.
And on Neon just ahead of the Paralympics, wheel Blacks
Bodies on the Line.

Speaker 17 (58:16):
Yeah, it was but lost this week without the Olympics
on to watch, but good news. The Paris Paralympics start
at the end of the month and TVNZ will have
the free to air coverage of that. In the meantime,
Neon have a new documentary series about the Wilblacks which
drops on Monday, and the will Blacks are the new
Zealand wheelchair rugby team. Wheelchair rugby is a sport at
the Paralympics, of course, and this documentary series takes us

(58:38):
behind the scenes of the will Blacks as they try
to get to Paris, and it's a really fascinating insight
into the sport of wheelchair rugby, but also the challenges
that the will Blacks face in terms of getting players
and raising funds to compete at a top level and
to get that competition to help them play it better.
So it's about the challenges on and off the court.

(58:59):
You get to know the players and what the sport
means to them. And I mean wheelchair rugby. That is
a fair sport that had some escape and not for
the faint hearted. So this is a great three part
documentary that really takes you into that world.

Speaker 13 (59:12):
I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Nice. Okay, that sounds great. Takes you back to the
old murder Ball days. Ah, absolutely remember that. What a
great film that was. Yeah, yeah, fantastic. I thank you
so much, Tara, very much appreciate that. So those shows
once again. Douglas is canceled. That's on three Now TV,
and z Plus has kidnapped the Chloe Ailing story and
we All Black's Bodies on the Line. That is on Neon.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Getting your weekend started, It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Good S. Oh my gosh, I can honestly just listen
to Froy King all weekend. You know how, Muzos don't
really have your reputation for having like ten year plans,
not like this one anyway. Troy Kingy distinguishes himself on
that front. He's got that amazing master plan ten albums

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and ten years with ten different genres. So he's about
eight years in now to his ten ten ten project.
Everything is going as it should be. He's on schedule
at the moment. So far, albums in the ten ten
ten have included an album of psychedelic soul, roots, reggae,
eighties pop, and singer songwriter folk sounds. But the thing

(01:00:44):
that Troy does is that every single one of his
different albums is recorded with a different band. And the
latest one, the latest album, came out yesterday. It is
in collaboration with the Cactus Handshake. The album's called Leatherman
and the Mohavei Green. We're gonna have a bit of
a listen after eleven o'clock this morning. He's just one
of those just preposterously talented musicians, right, like a real

(01:01:08):
muso's muso. So I'm really looking forward to listening to
a friend of the show Troy Kingy after eleven o'clock
this morning. Thank you for your feedback. Heaps and heaps
of text. Jack An awesome interview with Jody Pico this morning.
Can you say your name of her book once again?
Says Margaret, Yep, it's by any other name, by any
other name. Bromin's wondering the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Absolutely wonderful listening to Jody Picoe, one of my favorite authors,
Jack says, Mary, Jody didn't convince me I believe Edward
Earl of Oxford really wrote Shakespeare. Dere I suggest that
maybe even Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare. I mean, it would be
good to know just how much of her theory Jody
really believes. But I think that's one of the great
things about storytelling, right. You can expand on an idea,

(01:01:50):
you can dare to imagine for just a little bit.
Ninety two ninety two is our text number. It's twenty
five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Digging into the issues that affect you. The mic asking breakfast, all.

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
That's happened if the Justice Minister's signed the expedition order.
But guess what happens next? He gets to repeat, is
there something profoundly wrong with the judicial process that if
you have enough money and enough lawyers, you can pretty
much put off a day of reckoning for as long as.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
You want well. I think that's a valid question.

Speaker 9 (01:02:17):
He could have landed anywhere. If he didn't land in
New Zealand, we never would have heard of him. The
judicial process never would have been bogged down with them,
the government never would have been involved with them at all.
Back Monday, from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
B twenty two minutes to eleven on news Talk said B.
Google's Pixel three watch has just been released, and of
all the new bits of technology and gadget tree to
hit the market, this one has a very interesting feature,
a life saving feature. Our Textbert polstine House is here
with the details. Hey, Paul, tell us about it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:52):
Good morning. I love when there's some like technology for good.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:02:55):
We make all these advances and sometimes, you know, the
AI stuff we talk about might end up maybe taking
some jobs and not doing some good things. So I
saw this and thought this is nice. Okay, and here
we're about to change the tune. Imagine you're by yourself
and you have a heart attack. Yeah, great, great setup, right,
but that would be a very scary time. And if

(01:03:17):
you think about it, the chance of someone finding you
in time to give you potentially life saving resuscitation is
probably very close to Neil. And that's where there's a
new feature on this watch that will detect a loss
of pulse as they're calling it rhich could be caused
by heart attack, or could be caused.

Speaker 14 (01:03:36):
By any number of things.

Speaker 18 (01:03:38):
And it uses all of the senses inside the watch
and actually also uses some AI to figure out where
or not they need.

Speaker 14 (01:03:45):
To get emergency services to you.

Speaker 18 (01:03:47):
So first of all, right, your watch, it has its
regular heart rate sensor. It detects maybe something might be
a mess.

Speaker 14 (01:03:52):
We can't find a.

Speaker 18 (01:03:53):
Pulse, So then it fires up a whole range of
other senses and they are sort of more sophisticated infrared senses,
but also motion sensors too, basically to work out if
you're moving and if if you need help.

Speaker 14 (01:04:08):
If it decides that you.

Speaker 18 (01:04:09):
Do it then sign it basically sounds an alarm to
try to maybe wake you up and to see if
it can then detect any.

Speaker 14 (01:04:16):
Other form of movement, and if not, it will then.

Speaker 18 (01:04:19):
Call emergency services for you on your behalf and send
your location.

Speaker 14 (01:04:23):
Which I just thought, this is such a nice feature.

Speaker 18 (01:04:26):
Yeah, I think of like the Saint John alarms, right,
like you still need to be able to actually push
the button for help. This actually removes the pushing the
button aspect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah, I mean that sounds really cooler and principle is it.
Do you know if it's gonna work in New Zealand?
Like can they do?

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:04:41):
Right, this was this was my one hesitation.

Speaker 18 (01:04:43):
But when you talk about it, cool technology, but they
need to go through these regulatory hurdles. And there's a
bunch of countries in the EU, not quite in New
Zealand just yet. But I mean that's to me, Hey,
if there was a reason to buy a Google Pixel Watch,
to me, that's at the top of my list.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah, the great feature.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, it sounds very cool. Okay, Hey Fortnite, the incredibly
popular game, is back on Apple's iOS.

Speaker 14 (01:05:07):
Yes, and not just in New Zealand yet either.

Speaker 18 (01:05:09):
Are some of the parts of the world that seem
to have less regulatory hurdles or are more favorable than others,
and the EU is one of those.

Speaker 14 (01:05:16):
They passed their Digital markets at, which.

Speaker 18 (01:05:19):
Basically forced Apple to give app developers a way to
sell their software on iPhones and iPads without needing to
go through the official Apple Store.

Speaker 14 (01:05:28):
Why is that important?

Speaker 18 (01:05:29):
Well, Apple charges developers up to thirty percent of their
revenue for the privilege of being in that store.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
That's crazy.

Speaker 14 (01:05:38):
Love it.

Speaker 18 (01:05:38):
Why because it earns them almost seventy million, sorry, seventy million.
That'd be nice, seventy billion dollars in revenue.

Speaker 14 (01:05:47):
So this is.

Speaker 18 (01:05:48):
Something they obviously wanted to fight and Epic has been honestly,
they've been the ones who have been really pushing this forward.
And so the Epic Game Store has launched in the
EU and people can go on there and they can
download Fortnite for the first time in four years on.

Speaker 14 (01:06:03):
The iOS devices.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
But Apple has not made.

Speaker 14 (01:06:06):
It easy Jack.

Speaker 18 (01:06:07):
There are a ton of warning screens to get through
settings you have to update. Of course, Epic says that
that's very intentional by Apple to make the process. Yeah,
basically as terrible as possible. Yeah, But Apple has done
one slight sneaky They've launched a new.

Speaker 14 (01:06:20):
Fee for these off app stores that are calling a.

Speaker 18 (01:06:23):
Core technology fee, basically to try to recoup some of
that seventy billion dollars that they have at stake. But
this is really interesting because this is the first high
profile alternative app store that's existed, and I think This
is going to be a real good case study for
other brands to basically decide whether or not this is
an avenue they should pursue.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to see how that
all unfolds. Thank you, Paul. Paul Stadhouse is our tech
spurred eighteen to two eleven coming up on newstooks. He'd
be before eleven o'clock. Our man in the garden has
all the tips you need to get your berries in
top notch condition heading into summer.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Day and bepurured
on co dot em for high quality supplements used talk ZMB.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
It is that time on a Saturday morning where we
catch up with our doctor, doctor Brian Betty, and this
week we are talking carpal tunnel, which I know next
to nothing about. Good morning, Brian, oh, Jora, Jack. So,
Carpal tunnel is one of the two most common conditions
to affect people's hands.

Speaker 19 (01:07:26):
Yeah, Look, we see it all the time in general practice,
and it's a condition that's caused by something called the
medium nerve. It's a nerve that runs down the arm
and it goes through the wrist, and as it goes
through the risk it goes through this narrow tunnel called
the carpol tunnel, surrounded by bone and ligament, and it
gets compressed, and as it gets compressed, it starts to

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cause symptoms. So we know about one to five percent
of the population get it at some point, and it's
twice as common in woman as men, and that's the cost. Structurally,
their risk is slightly narrower than the men's wrists. Happens
between the ages about thirty and sixty, and there's certain
things that put you at increase us so that's pregnancy, diabetes,

(01:08:09):
thyroid conditions, and actually repetitive manual labor. So it seems
like using jackhammers or hammering all day can actually start
to cause the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
That's interesting. So how do you recognize it?

Speaker 19 (01:08:22):
Well, look, I suppose the commonest thing that people say
to me when they come in, they start to describe
they're waking up at night and they're noticing that their
hand is very tingly or numb, and they have to
shake it out to get the feeling back into the hand.
And that's often what we start to see. Now, it's
often with the palm aspect of the thumb, the index finger,

(01:08:43):
and the middle finger. They start to notice this in
and occasionally people sort of say, well, look, I start
to get this electric shock thing when I'm holding a
steering wheel or holding the newspaper. Now, over time, the
pain can start to go up the arm up towards
the elbow, and if you leave it, the hand starts
to become weak. So people describe they can't sort of

(01:09:04):
hold onto cups and they may drop things, will feel
a bit clumsy. So it can progress over time and
start to infare with grip with the hand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
So how do you diagnose it?

Speaker 19 (01:09:15):
Well, look, often it's just a really careful history. So
it's that thing when someone comes in and says, I'm
waking up at night and having to shake up my
hand and you start to think, well, you know, is
this carpor tunnel. It can be other things, but that's
the most common one. So we often examine the wrist
and we'll do this thing where we sort of push
the wrist over and hold it, and by putting it
into this ninety degree position holding that, people start to

(01:09:38):
get the numbness and the fingers I've just described now
specifically we'll often order what's called a nerve conduction study.
So this is where they put electrodes on your arm.
They put an electric shock down the arm, and what
they see is the electric shock slows down as it
goes through the wrist, and that pretty much tells us
that's exactly what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:10:00):
If we are concerned about another condition like diabetes, the
thire or something like that, we may order some blood tests,
and occasion you will do an X ray to look
for arthritis and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Yeah, that's going to cleve a little test, isn't it
doing the you know, the electric measure down the arm.
So what do you do about it? If you are
diagnosed with a couple of times?

Speaker 19 (01:10:17):
Yeah, well look look it depends on how bad it is.
So often just avoiding activities that trigger it may be
a good thing to do. Like if you're hammering or whatever,
just don't hammer and you know, just just stop that.
And often we'll say, look, go to the chemist and
get a risk sprint splint. So this is a splint
you put onto your wrist. You often wear it at
night and it just keeps your wrist straight so your

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wrist doesn't flop. Over because it's flopping over that causes
the pressure on the nerve and often that just stops
the symptoms. So just a risk splint is a very
simple thing. You can do and wear it at night
and the problem goes away. However, progressions progresses past that
and you start to get the weakness and the pain
up the arm, and it's happening during the day. We

(01:10:59):
send you off to an orthopedic surgeon and they do
something called a carpal tunnel release where they under local
anesthetic they just cut the ligament that that goes across
the what's called the carpal tunnel releases the pressure and
pretty well one hundred percent of the time the problem
is cured. So yeah, done deal.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
So yeah, very brief, there is something you can do. Yeah,
that's absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
All very good, you know, and I I knew next
to nothing about carpal tunnels. Thank you very much.

Speaker 19 (01:11:32):
Oh good jack, no problems.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Really appreciate your time. That is Dr Brian Betty with
us this morning. Thank you for your feedback.

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Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Client pass is our man in the garden. Good morning, sir.

Speaker 16 (01:11:48):
A very good morning to you, doctor Jack. Did you
know that that whole reagun and stuff like that, You know,
I've just done that because I've been pruning all the
the black currents and the and the bush.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
You've been doing those contortions, You've been doing the kangaroo,
the pass clime, pass kangaroo.

Speaker 16 (01:12:05):
I knew you'd get into that because if anybody asked
me do you like breakdancing? I always point out that
I used to have rheumatoid arthritis and now have osteoarthritis.
I said there, going like, well they're the cheapest.

Speaker 17 (01:12:18):
Yeah, yeah, not my gig now tennis.

Speaker 16 (01:12:22):
So but anyway, that's the story.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah. So he said, tell me year right, you need
to start printing your beery.

Speaker 7 (01:12:27):
Yes it is, yeah, and it was.

Speaker 16 (01:12:28):
Actually I've got a really good old Scottish make Mike,
Mike Waterston is his name. He's my builder, but he's
also a good friend. And he says, can you can
you please tell me to prune my black currants because
I haven't done it for a few years. I said,
oh God, here we go. He not only has black currants,
he's got red currents and gooseberries as well, and gooseberries
are real buggers because they're prickly as heck. But anyway,

(01:12:51):
so I took some photos in the garden and I
think Libya will have put them on the on the
interwebby and of what it looked like before we actually
had a go a couple of days ago, and what
it looks like now. And it's very very simple. These
black currants, I love them because Julie makes the most
amazing gem out of them. So I don't eat the

(01:13:15):
berries themselves, but the gem is just anyway easy. Every year,
you do it if you can. I'm not doing it
every year because I don't always have the time. But
they are basically a multi stemmed plant, so they come
from basically the base where the roots are, and then
all these stems go up. If you get more than

(01:13:36):
six to ten stems, you really need to prune them
out so it becomes a bit spacious in the middle.
We've talked about it a lot with plants.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yeah, yeah, because.

Speaker 16 (01:13:45):
You know, if you've got very dense plants, you get
a lot of moisture and then you get fungi and
bacteria and all that. So this can so keep it
a bit open. Secondly, go down to about or maybe
four feet high if you like. Okay, And and basically
the new plants will grow below where it's cut. Of course,
in the new the new office that are coming down.

(01:14:07):
So that's basically the simple way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
So that goes for the black currants, right.

Speaker 16 (01:14:12):
And it goes for the red currents as well. Goosberry's.
As I said, prickly gloves, care for all that sort
of stuff, similar sort of thing. But you cut out
the really old branches. And you can always tell in
these berries what the old branches. They're darker, they're larger,
and they're thick, you know, really thick growth. Get rid

(01:14:33):
of them after five years, I mean, honestly, get the
new ones to do the job. And that is basically
how it goes. Now as it happens. A day after
we did this, we went harrier trapping in Leiston, just
in south you knows it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Harriet hawk trapping.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Harriet hawks.

Speaker 16 (01:14:52):
Yeah, we trapped them in and banded them and it's
always good fun, but that's dangerous too. But anyway, we've
got these cages, and some of these cages I put
in the leastern black currant patches. There are acres and
acres of them, and they can't do that by hand
like we did.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
They do it.

Speaker 16 (01:15:10):
They do it literally with a machine that cuts it
all down at four feet and goes every two years.
So that to me indicates that you can be totally ruthless.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
That's good to know. So I don't. I don't have
any currents at my place currently, but I do have
I do have blueberries. So is there anything Yeah? Is
there anything I need to do right now for blueberries? Oh,
by the way, I've got an update for you in
a second.

Speaker 7 (01:15:36):
Yeah, yeah, I go.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
No.

Speaker 16 (01:15:38):
I to be quite honest, I don't. I don't grow
blueberries because I always get birds in there in my
and I tract those and it's not that great. My
currents and my black parents and my blueberries and blue
black parents and so on in a cage with netting,
so they shouldn't get in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Yeah, okay. The update, Well, the the update was that
the plants that I was telling you about a definitely did.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
So.

Speaker 7 (01:16:03):
Oh you scraped them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
I scraped them. Yeah, I mean scraped them. And I
was like, oh, yep, these are dinners of doornail. I
really tried. Yeah, so I've got rid of them. I've
dug them out. I'm just we're going to have to restart.
My wife keeps on saying that I keep on screwing
up everything in the garden. But I've tried to explain
it's all a learning process.

Speaker 16 (01:16:18):
No, no, I'm saying you should do that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah, this is what I see. I said, Well, she said,
I can't believe you didn't water them. I said, how
many times did you water them? Sweet? Huh ah, dolarsticity.
But I have decided already. But part of the reason
she was a little prickly was because I've decided that
there are already more things that I want to grow,
including I've decided that I'm I really want to have
a tamarillo tree.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Oh is so delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah, I just feel like, especially at this time of year,
they're just, oh my gosh, they're just absolutely outstanding.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:16:50):
You got to get good, good, so good soil, please,
good well bred soil. That is that's your that is
your investment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
And water them, Yeah would be the key.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah, Yeah, that's guys. It goes a long way as well.
Funny enough, Thank you very much, appreciate your time, as
ever time and expertise. Rude climb past in the garden
for us his tips on pruning your currents in time
for summer. We'll be up on the news Talks EDB
website after eleven o'clock this morning. Really looking forward to
having a bit more of a listen to Troy Kingy's

(01:17:18):
new album. So he's joined up with this group, the
Cactus Handshake. What a name Maye. Troy Kingy and the
Cactus Handshake have got a new album called Leatherman in
the Mohave Green. Really really looking forward to listening to
the eighth album in his ten ten ten series, as
well as that our travel correspondent is taking us to
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next on Newstalg ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through
the weekend with bpure dot cot dot in here for
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Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Gray Sodden Grim. The conditions I have to report in
the nine at Eden Park are looking pretty damp ahead
of the All Blacks. Second testing is Argentina, of course,
kickoff just after seven pm tonight. At about eleven thirty
this morning, We're going to take your live to Eden
Park to see how things are shaping up at the

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ground a head of Weekend Sport the O This afternoon,
Jason Pine is on Weekend Sport. He'll be broadcasting live
from Eden Park as we count down to kickoff and
of course news talks. He be is going to have
live commentary coverage of the All Blacks Argentina Los Pumas
tonight just after seven o'clock, so looking forward to that.
Right now it is eight minutes past eleven, Jack. And

(01:19:00):
it has to be said that Kate Hall, our sustainability expert,
puts most of us to shame when it comes to
sustainable the projects. Sometimes though, sometimes even the most open
minded of us have to think huh with some of
the things that Kate decides to do, and I reckon
she's got a real doozy for us today morning.

Speaker 11 (01:19:18):
Kate, Good morning Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Okay, tell us about the project you've just undertaken involving
drying avocado pips.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Yes, so you know we know that buttons are usually
made from plastic, right, which plastic try to avoid as
much as possible, and also avocado pips usually just go
straight in the compoff so you can't really eat them.
That some people say you can, but I'm not about
to try, and they're kind of yeah, they're a waste.

(01:19:49):
So I saw some inspiration online and sometimes sometimes online
kind of doi tips really don't work out, you know,
they're faking something in a video, but this one works.
So I made buttons from avocado pips.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
What so just talk us through the process of that.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
Yes, so I laid probably about six or seven of
them on the windowsill for about a week. Yes, yep,
avocado pips.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
So there was a good excuss that you want avocados,
and so they drive you take off that like husky
bit that often kind of falls off. They're outer kind
of shell. And then I cut them up into kind
of the thickness I wanted for a button, but I
kept them quite thick and chunky, and then cut them
into the shape of a button. And I thought, because pips,

(01:20:40):
like avocado pips, are pretty tough, so I thought, maybe
i'd need like a saw or you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Know, how did you cut them?

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
Well, literally don't have a kitchen knife, like, not even
a super sharp one. They're actually pretty soft and yeah,
easy to work with. So yeah, once I had that
button kind of shape, I then laid them again on
the window sill to dry, and then kind of from
that point they just basically act like wood So I
then sanded them so they're all round like a button.

(01:21:09):
Actually sorry, before I drive the button shape, I also
just use a really thin drill bit I make the
two holes for the button. Yeah, sanded them to shape
and oiled them up, and they just look exactly like
wooden buttons that you you know, wooden buttons and shops
are not sure if you've ever had to buy some,
but they're pretty expensive and this only costed a bit

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of my time, which you know, some people argue, just
go buy the done buttons case. But it was really
fun and it was satisfying, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
You know, like why not So how many buttons you had?
Six or seven? Evercada? How many buttons did you end
up with?

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
Well, I was really picky with the colors, but I
wanted for the button so and also the strength. So
I know some people have made a Vocado buttons before,
not many people, but some, and they say that they snapped,
so I like basically did a snap test at the
very beginning, so I reckon, So I've got ten buttons,

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but I like there was mould for at the start,
but they.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Just they didn't make the cut.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
Yes, yeah, ten really strong.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
So you're probably you're probably going to get one to
make between one and two buttons per stone once you
get good.

Speaker 6 (01:22:24):
Once ones that are really really good. But you could
technically get ten buttons from one pit because you're slicing
this and but the there's the science behind the avocado pip.
You know you up closing personal There's different grains of it,
it grows in different ways, there's different kind of actually
knobbly bits inside. You gotta yeah, you've got to be

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picky if you want buttons that can last.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
And how do you put a hole in the buttons?

Speaker 6 (01:22:51):
So again it's it sounds like you have to like
drill it, but I just with my hand twisted a
really really fine drill bit through the avocado literally just
with pressure. So yeah, I didn't have to use any
power tools or anything. And it actually it was much
softer and easier after you dry it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:13):
Then.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
Yeah, you know, it's hard like a game, exactly like wood,
but it worked a trade.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
And what have you used them on? Now? Like if
you you've like, have you got a sweeter that needed
or a cardigan that needed buttons or something.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
Yes, so that that inspiration behind it was Mum had
made this little kid's jersey which hopefully will be for
my future children one day, and so we put some Yeah,
we put those little buttons onto the card again, so
you know, there might be a kid one day who
can be like, yeah, actually, my mom, they do, but

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they might get teased, but you know they would probably
be They'll probably get more friends from it. I'd like
to think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
So if you didn't know better, and you just saw
the clothing or saw the buttons with it all that,
you know, saw the item of clothing with the buttons
on it, would you know any better?

Speaker 6 (01:24:02):
No? Absolutely not. You just think they were those fancy
wooden buttons that someone brought for like thirty to fifty
dollars in a craft shop.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Wow. Okay yeah? And could you like you presume they
could color them and stuff as well, right, if you
really were enthusiastical.

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
Yeah, I don't know how how they take to die
that you could and you have vanish them. Maybe I
didn't really want to vanish.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Them, probably anyway, right, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
Yeah, exactly. Grains yep, man, you think of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Some crazy things. So we do you like we we
do you get your inspiration for stuff like this?

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
I think I do like to spend time looking at
different materials and items and I'm like, you know, like
what else could this be?

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
So I like to get creative with food and different things.
But also you just when you look around and think
about different elements that we often throw out or just
walk by, like hit eyes on the ground that you rescue,
you know, different things that you think rubbish or Yeah,
I think I just try to and they get my
creativity flowing things. You know, this is this is a waste?

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What else could this be?

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
And that's really fun and satisfying. Also obviously following other
inspirational accounts online and just keeping your eyes, eyes and
ears peeled for different ideas as helpful to So.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
You've done the avocado buttons. We know that you recycle
the here ties that you find on the ground, just
roindose here ties, you give them a wash and just
where you go.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
Honestly, never buy a hearsay games.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
So is there any other crazy, like really unusual little
sustainability hacks you have for us?

Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
Well recently, I actually this a few years ago, but
I've really gotten into the habit now it's been great.
I ate a lot of eggs from a local egg
lady and they the eggshell, you know, is really good
for the garden, but when you put it in the composts,
they don't actually break down very fast. Yeah, right, like

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even once you've kind of got cured and processed composts,
often there's but it's an eggshall So I leave my
eggshells out to dry and then put them in a
container in my fridge. So like currently in my fridge
you'll find two quite large containers just full of eggshells.
Then when I next have the oven on wi sholl
actually be today some roast vegetables. I'll lay all those

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eggshells out on a tray in the oven to fully dry,
and then I blend them in my blender and it
makes this fine, fine white powder, and then I can
add that to my house plants, to my did you garten? Yeah,
as a fertilizer. And they say that like pests and

(01:26:44):
and sick some stuff don't really like it too, So
I kind of haven't fully put that to the test yet.
I'm doing some tests, but yeah, it's a much much
better fertilizer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
No, that's very clever. Yeah, okay, all right, I'm going
to leave you with a question for you to stew
over the next time we speak. Okay, okay, there's a question.
When you think about all these different things that you do,
the recycling eggshells, all that kind of stuff, how many
minutes are hours of day do you think you spend
doing like sustainability hacks? So think about that. You can
tell us next time we speak. You stew over it

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and now work it out. You come back to us
with a number, and thank you so much. You've got
to put some of those photos online so we can
see you what your avocado buttons look like. Okay, absolutely fantastic,
So Okate, thank you. That is Kate Haull, our sustainability commentator.
You can find her on the social media platforms and
hopefully see some of those photos by searching ethically Kate.
It's sixteen minutes past eleven, Jack. Well, today we've got

(01:27:38):
Lisa from b Pure joining us to talk about a
really important topic energy. Get a Lisa.

Speaker 20 (01:27:45):
Hey, Jay, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Yeah. So, well, we all know how tough it can
be just to get through the day when you don't
feel like you have enough energy. Can you tell us
why energy is so crucial for our health?

Speaker 20 (01:27:57):
Absolutely, Jack, Energy is essentially the currency of health.

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
It's what gives us the ability to.

Speaker 20 (01:28:03):
Do everything we need and want to do in a day.

Speaker 10 (01:28:07):
Without it, like, can get.

Speaker 20 (01:28:08):
Really tough, especially during those long winter months when many
of us struggle with low energy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So how can
we make sure that we do have enough energy?

Speaker 11 (01:28:18):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:28:19):
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Ensuring you have all the es central nutrients your body
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Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
So I didn't know how important those nutrients actually are.
Where can I find them?

Speaker 20 (01:28:41):
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Supplements that are designed to provide your body with what
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Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Oh fantastic. So for anyone struggling with low energy, especially
in the middle of winter. B Pure could be a
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Speaker 11 (01:29:28):
Morning, Jack. What's your score line for tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
I reckon AB's by fourteen?

Speaker 11 (01:29:34):
Yeah, fourteen. Yeah, I've said thirty six fourteen, So yeah,
we're on a similar page.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it feels like, yeah, I think I
feel cautiously optimistic that they're going to avenge last week.
It's funny, there hasn't really been you know, we haven't
been kind of gnashing our teeth too much. After that
performance last week. You wonder how different it might have been,
have we not just had the Olympics. You know, Yeah,
there was a game to lose. From the all backs
management perspective, that was probably the one, right.

Speaker 11 (01:30:00):
That's the one, definitely, Yeah, I mean the Olympics were
just extraordinary, weren't that he really would? Yeah, low of
it from a New Zealand perspective, amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Just say it's amazing how it kind of affects us all.
You've always got a bit of a spring in their
step and stuff. They great. Yeah, anyway, speaking of a
bit of a spring in our step. We are focusing
on a beautiful part of the world this morning. And
I must admit when I think of Malta, I think
of one island, right, and I think most people are
probably in the same boat there. But this morning you

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are focusing on Gozo and Comino, which are Malta's little
rock stars. So beyond Malta's grade main island, how easy
is it to get to those smaller siblings.

Speaker 11 (01:30:41):
The good news is super easy, Jack. So from the
main island every day there is this daily flow tiller
of furies that zip across the water from Sliama, which
is next to Valleta on the main island, and they
link up with Gozo and Camino. It's about a forty
five minute crossing. And the really cool thing is you
see some stirring history along the way, like Saint Paul's Bay. Now,

(01:31:04):
this bay is where Paul was wrecked after being arrested.
He was en route to Rome to be executed by
the Imperial Court for converting people to Christianity. So you
see that site. So whether you are looking for an
action packed day excursion from the main island or you
want to have a longer stay on Gozo and Camino,

(01:31:24):
it is a quick and easy hopscotch between those Maltese islands.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Oh nice, and what would be some of Gozo's big drawers.

Speaker 11 (01:31:31):
I think it's the high watted coastal beauty of Gozo
that just staggers people when they arrive. My favorite spot,
which I would suggest people check out, is a place
called Glendy Bay. It is blindingly beautiful and I think
it's the location which makes it so incredible. It's sandwiched
between stunning, dramatic cliffs and Elcantra Valley, which is just

(01:31:54):
as green.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
As you get.

Speaker 11 (01:31:56):
There's this gorgeous old watch tower which was built after
an early Ottoman attack completely wiped out Gozo's population, so
you can climb up to it and you get the
most epic view across Gozo. And then a bit of
an in the no sort of secret there are these
stone steps that descend down into this little cove of course,

(01:32:21):
Caroline's Cove, and this was the secret stairway jack that
was created back in the day for the local Augustinian
nuns so they could have a little dip in the
Mediterranean in complete solitude, as you do when you're a nun.
So that's a stunning spot to check out as well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Yeah right, So tell us about Gozo's main town, Victoria.

Speaker 11 (01:32:43):
Yeah, like the Lisa, she is stately, with lots of
butterscotch limestone buildings that glow in the sunshine. But best
of all, the ancient citadel on the highest hilltop. It's
like a portal to the past seven thousand years of
human settlement. And the first fortifications were built there about
three and a half thousand years ago and then they

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were just steadily added to. But as you walk around
the lanes and explore the buildings, it just feels like
the ultimatum time travel. And Malta has spent a truckload
in restoring the entire citadel, so you do feel like
you're walking in a movie set on a gigantic scale.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Yeah right, okay, nice, any memorable eats there.

Speaker 11 (01:33:29):
Well, back in the central Victoria Independence Square is the
beating heart of town. It buzzes with Alfresco cafes, but
one of the best mouthfuls of Malta. Head to the
hole in the wall street vendors who sell pastisi pastisi. Now,
these traditional savory fellow puff pastries are stuffed with ricotta

(01:33:50):
or curried mushy peas, which is a bit of a
British hangover that has decided to stuff there pastisi with
the mushy peas. But whatever, they back into their pastizi.
You know it's going to be good. They're about fifty
cents a pop. They'll keep you going all day.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Nice and so right next to Gozo is the even
smaller island of Comino.

Speaker 11 (01:34:13):
Yes, and once again what are taxis and fairies. They'll
zip you across the vivid blue waters from Gozo to
pine sized Camino. It's about ten minutes. Once again, it's
that boundless scenic splendor that is just so mind blowing.
In fact, it is so beautiful in Camino, so eye popping.
You will quietly wonder if you need to be drug tested.

(01:34:35):
Did someone spike your pastisi? It is so trippy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:34:40):
The big headliner, Jack is a place called the Blue Lagoon.
The snorkling there is incredible. Whether you just want ever
swim or just sunbathe, it is insanely picturesque. It's this
ethereal setting of shallow cloise water backed by lava terraces
that just cascade down to the water. And if you've

(01:35:01):
seen the movie Troy or The Count of Monte Cristo,
you will recognize it because it featured very heavily. It
is just one of those pinch yourself locations that will
sear itself into your memory.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
So because I looked it up as soon as I
saw you'd been there, it's got what's called a cast landscape,
so it's very flat. It's all kind of like limestony,
like flat limestone across the entire little little island. I
think it must be super small, right, you could comfortably
walk from one side to the other, I think easy. Yeah, yeah,
very much. Oh, it looks amazing. So what about the
Crystal Caves.

Speaker 11 (01:35:33):
Yeah, just around the other side from the Blue Lagoon.
The Crystal Caves Coloon once again is just going to
be visual overload. So it's the sequence of four big
sea caves, all once again washed with that vivid blue water.
And the first cave is the best of all because
thankfully a bit of erosion collapsed to the roof, which

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formed a very wide opening and a rock arch, so
you can walk into the cave. You've got this rock
arch peering out into the Mediterranean. It is just picture perfect.
So yeah, if you are sizing up a swing through
Malta jack, which I reckon you should be. In fact,
I'm amazed, I said to Francesco a couple of weeks ago.
I'm amazed Malta doesn't flesh brighter on our radar, you know,

(01:36:19):
when it comes to European destinations. But if you are
heading to Malta, definitely add Gozo and Camino to your
checklist to complete the whole tour.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
So when you compare it with Sicily and you know,
some of those other relatively nearby destinations, obviously Tannisi would
be amazing as well. But what would the tourist crowds
be like in Malta compared to say, Sicily.

Speaker 11 (01:36:45):
It is very very busy with Europeans in July August, right,
But I mean I stayed in Slima, which is the
main tourist strip on the main island and it never
and this was when was Ida June, so that it
was very warm. Weather was magnificent, but I didn't feel overcrowded.
So as long as you avoid July August shoulders. Yeah right, yeah,

(01:37:07):
very much. The weather all year round is very very good. Yeah,
as you said, because it's location to Chinizie, it is
so far south. Yeah, it is very warm.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine it would be. I mean
one thing too, I know that. I mean, we are
both nerds, so we can unite over this stuff. But
I went into a bit of a hole this week
looking at the water management system on Malta because there
are no rivers, right, there are no there are no
rivers or streams or anything. They're no like big you know.
So it's just like, what do they do with water?

(01:37:37):
It must have just like flood into the ocean. Yeah, yeah,
and it does. So it turns out there they're really
kind of ahead of the game in terms of water management,
but they have to do heaps of desalination and it
causes all sorts of problems. The things you take for
granted today, like it's nice, it's very nice to be
in the middle of the Mediterranean and enjoy all of
the benefits of that, but there are the occasional downside
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:37:57):
I think when the British rocked into town after they
knocked out the French, they were like a little bit
concerned as to okay, so what do we drink?

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah, but three days in I believe yeah, yeah, oh
very good. Now it looks like a fascinating part of
the world and, like you say, one that is perhaps
a little underappreciated. I would love to go there. Thank
you so much. We'll put all of Mike's tips for
exploring Gozo in Camino in Malta up on the News
Talks EDB website. And it's just gone eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Thirty Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack team on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Well, it is a dreary day in Auckland, to say
the least. I'm not sure the All Blacks will be
too upset about that. As they count down to kick
off at eden Park tonight just after seven o'clock. Of course,
Jason Pine and the Weekend Sport team are prepared aring
themselves for the show this afternoon live from eden Park,

(01:39:11):
Kyoda Party Kilda.

Speaker 21 (01:39:12):
Jack, it is rather dreary, I can tell you looking
down on an Eden Park Pictures, which is an excellent
nick but yeah, overhead a little gray and dreary. Just
checking the forecast, the heaviest rain is forecast for around
five o'clock this afternoon, meant to clear ever so slightly
between six and seven, so by the time kickoff arrives

(01:39:34):
it might be okay, it will be slippery underfoot, but
it's a winter sport for the most.

Speaker 13 (01:39:38):
Part, isn't it. So I think let's get out there
and crag and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah, totally. How significant do you think last week's defeat
is going to be for this allbacks, this new all
backs unit.

Speaker 21 (01:39:49):
I think it'll be significant in that it'll provoke a
response and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
As the previous two Puma's losses have done in recent years, right.

Speaker 21 (01:39:58):
Correct, Yeah, Well, two years ago when Argentina won for
the first time on New Zealand Sail in christ Church.
Seven days later at a wet Hamilton, all Blacks put
fifty on the poopse fifty three to three the following week,
so I'd expect to bounce back, maybe not of fifty
point proportions, but certainly a bounce back performance. The All
Blacks hate losing matches, Jack, We all know this. They
hate to lose, and the players and collectively as a

(01:40:22):
team they will have done everything this week to make
sure that there is no repeat here at eden Park tonight.
On top of that, of course, we know the fortress
this has become. If they win or draw tonight, that
is fifty five zero unbeaten matches at eden Park, the
last time eleven thousand and four days ago, Jack, to
be precise, That's crazy, it really is. Isn't it an

(01:40:42):
unprecedented record of success on one patch of grass? But yeah,
not since nineteen ninety four have the All Blacks trudged
off Eden Park with defeat ringing in their ears, which
is quite the record.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
What do you make of this whole Damien McKenzie missing
the bus thing? Is it a big deal?

Speaker 13 (01:40:58):
I find it interesting? Only I find it interesting in.

Speaker 21 (01:41:01):
The fact that previous All Blacks regimes have had a
zero tolerance policy to the sort of thing. And look,
we don't know the background. We don't know why Damen
mackenzie was late. That hasn't been revealed and it shouldn't be.
It's not our business, but he was late. Look, only
last year and the biggest game of rugby of the
year at that point, the Rugby World Cup quarter final
against Ireland. Mark Telayer was dropped, you know, a first

(01:41:22):
choice player, an important player, because he was late back
for curfew. He wasn't drunk, he wasn't wasn't doing anything irresponsible.
He was just late back. He just lost track of time.
But there's a line in the sand, and they say
you cross it. Unfortunately, that's the consequences. The protocols are
there for a reason. So clearly the protocols aren't quite
as stringent under under Razor.

Speaker 22 (01:41:41):
Or.

Speaker 21 (01:41:41):
He's decided that there are mitigating circumstances here.

Speaker 13 (01:41:44):
But that was the interesting part for me.

Speaker 21 (01:41:46):
Yes, that was that it is in contrast to what
has happened previously to the lights of Mark Tlayer. Also
Aaron Cruden, he missed a flight and had to you know,
I had to miss a couple of games. Aaron Smith
got dropped to the bench for breaking curfew. So you know,
it obviously is a different line.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
In the sand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I was
on the show of ARV.

Speaker 13 (01:42:06):
We'll talk some talk some more.

Speaker 21 (01:42:07):
Blacks, Patrick Towey, Polotu Mike de Laya and Caleb Clark
are all on the show after one o'clock. Want to
talk this cricketing contracting stuff with Devin Conway.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Yeah, later stalking out of the New Normal.

Speaker 21 (01:42:18):
Yeah, a new normal here we are. And Grace Sweeky's
on the show after too. She's not going to play
for the Mystics next year. She's off to Australia, which
also means she can't play for New Zealand next year.
So what facked it into her?

Speaker 13 (01:42:28):
Thinking? There's so quite a bit on the show the stuf?

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
How reckon that Nick Ball? Well to the lid. Ruth's
gonna come more, be more and more on the spotlight
A like, yep, you're right, yeah, there's no one like her,
right so yeah might be needed ye yeah yeah yeah, okay,
very good. Looks like sounds like some pack show this afternoon,
So very much looking forward to with hek you sir
Jason Pine. He'll be kicking off weekend Sport right after
the midday news live from Eden Parkers. We count down

(01:42:52):
to the All Blacks Poomas test this evening. Of course
news talks. He'd be will be carrying that game live
Elliott Smith of the call just after seven o'clock. Right
now it is twenty three to twelve.

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
No bitter way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with and bepured dot co
dot Nz for high quality supplements Used TALKSNB.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Twenty to twelve on News Talks. He'd be Katherine Rains
has he had to recommend her two reads for this weekend. Hey, Catherine,
morning dack. Okay, let's start off with the Act of
Disappearing by Nathan Gower.

Speaker 23 (01:43:24):
So, Julia White's a bartender and a struggling author, and
her mother's just died. And while she's at work, this
renowned photographer, a guy called Jonathan Asta, approaches her with
this never been seen published photo from the six nineteen
sixties of a woman jumping off a bridge with a
baby in her arms. And he wants Julia to investigate
what happened and write a book that tells about this

(01:43:45):
mystery woman's story. And Julia's kind of think her own
prospects are looking particularly bleak there. She had this very
lucrative first book launch and there's no real clear jobs
after that, and you know, she's broke while she's tending
these bars, as she's trying to pay off her mother's
looming medical bills, and now she's grappling with this life

(01:44:06):
a life changing event in her own life, and she
finds really no reason to hold back from dalving further
into what's behind this photo. And how the story progresses
is there's dual timelines that shift between her investigative efforts
in the present day as she hones on on the
truth behind the photograph, and the viewpoints from those in
nineteen sixty three associated with the Woman from the Bridge.

(01:44:29):
And it's this very emotional journey that takes you from
the present day Brooklyn in the the nineteen sixties Kentucky
and Multiple Steroids are storylines that are developing, lots of characters.

Speaker 15 (01:44:39):
And those layers really maild together really.

Speaker 23 (01:44:41):
Well, and you get secrets upon secrets and mystery and
mental health struggles and you know, lots about family and
what it means to be a mum and some quite
serious themes in the book as well. But you find
yourself disappearing into the story and completely engrossed and engage
with where these characters are going.

Speaker 15 (01:44:58):
And you know, maybe a couple of years along.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
The way, Yeah, okay, cool, it's the Act of Disappearing
by Nathan Gower. You've also read I Will Ruin You
Linwood Barclay.

Speaker 23 (01:45:07):
So it's just another one day morning at school and
this English teacher, a guy called Richard Boyle, is mid
lesson when he spots someone running towards the school entrance
wearing a suicide vest, and he tells the class to
lockdown and called nine one one, and he rushes to
the front door, and there's this student and next student
a guy called Mark Ledrux, who's intent on causing maximum harm.

Speaker 15 (01:45:29):
And what occurs next puts Richard.

Speaker 23 (01:45:31):
Completely in this spotlight, and this dramatic day is really
a catalyst for a sequence of events that he finds
himself center of. So at first he's hailed as a hero,
and you know, Wilwood have events. But then there's lawsuits
from Mark's parents and blackmail from another student, and scrutiny
over the choice of reading material he gives his students
and has he himself delves deep into Mark's secrets and

(01:45:57):
why he might have done what he's done. There's this
drug gang and threatening the town's piece as well. In
his own marriage is faltering, and his ends trust is wavering,
and all of a sudden he realizes he's a prime suspect.
So you get this very narrative, which is like in
short chapters from multiple perspectives, including Richard's own, And it's
suspenseful and pacede and you know, some heavy topics and

(01:46:20):
drug use and gun violence and dysfunctional family issues.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Yeah, but it's an attention.

Speaker 23 (01:46:25):
Grabbing psychological thriller with lots of twists and turns in
a very thought provoking plot.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah, yeah, keep.

Speaker 15 (01:46:32):
Your turning the pages because you just want to know
what happens next.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Oh that's always a good sign. Okay, cool. That's I
Will Ruin You by Linward Barclay, Catherine's first book, The
Act of Disappearing by Nathan Gower. Both of those are,
of course, on the news talks, he'd be website, really
really looking forward to what's coming up in a couple
of minutes. On news Talks, he'd be Troy King. He
has just released his eighth album in his ten ten
ten sequence. It's after he's been on a bit of

(01:46:57):
an adventure, to say the least, trekking through the US desert. Anyway.
His album has been recorded with the Cactus Handshake, which
is an amazing name of nothing more. It's called leather
Man and the Mohave Green. So we're gonna have a
little bit of a listen in a couple of minutes
sixteen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and vpure dot co
dot Nz for high quality supplements, used talks.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
It'd be.

Speaker 7 (01:47:28):
A fine.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
Side this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
This is Geronimo. It's by Toy Kingy's he's just released
his latest album, leather Man and the Mohave Green, alongside
The Cactus Handshake. Estelle Cliffords our music viewers, she's been
listening to the album over the last twelve hours or
son as with us now more inner.

Speaker 23 (01:48:13):
Well, then that's our lilting out towards the sunset on
this album.

Speaker 15 (01:48:18):
Geronimo.

Speaker 23 (01:48:20):
This was a I went for a walk yesterday and
I walked for two hours of The leather Man because
it is.

Speaker 15 (01:48:26):
A romp through the desert and I totally needed it.

Speaker 23 (01:48:31):
Really interesting because Troy's been very open leading into this
album that he's had a bit of I don't know
if it's necessarily writer's block, but the creative.

Speaker 15 (01:48:41):
Like kind of like, oh, yeah, where am I?

Speaker 23 (01:48:44):
I mean this is eight the eighth album out of
that ten series, So eight years in a row. You're
you know, creating some music, not always in your set genre,
but certainly this one. You know, rock music is what
made him want to be a musician, right, and so
he needed to be reinspired. And what better thing to
do than take yourself to meet some other indigenous people

(01:49:07):
on some different lands and get a little bit rock
desert trippy about it. Yeah, I actually because I've been
hanging out for this album so much so I watched
the four part doco The Desert Hekoy, Yeah, the Desert
Hikoy as I did my Beach hi Coy yesterday, and
it was really good. Like it's fifteen minutes episodes for
seventeen minutes, and straight off in the first two episodes

(01:49:30):
you are hit with this whole creative block, anxiety, mental
house connection to Fenawa mushroom psychedelics, and so I highly
recommend giving that a watch. But you don't need to
watch it to enjoy the album. I think what it
did though for me was go, wow, he's you see
his raw talent, you see that new inspiration, but you

(01:49:52):
also see how.

Speaker 15 (01:49:52):
Clever he is at using his bandmates.

Speaker 23 (01:49:54):
Yeah, and as you would expect in some desert rock,
there's got to be some songs with some yells screaming,
and you know that's not necessarily Troy's natural voice, right,
So he's really clever because he gets his bandmates involved
in that stuff and it really brings out some I
just think some of their strengths and some of their
talents that get to mix with this really incredible songwriter. Yeah,

(01:50:19):
and he still brings that soulful, beautiful voice that.

Speaker 15 (01:50:22):
We know of his.

Speaker 23 (01:50:22):
It's so rich, isn't it, And then to put it
in amongst some sort of rock it sometimes it has
that real dusty sound of the desert, and just.

Speaker 15 (01:50:33):
His clever storytelling too.

Speaker 23 (01:50:35):
Like I'm not necessarily one who's big for spoken word
and albums, right, but the bits where he goes there,
because there's such that they're characters that he's developed. The
leather man and stuff is kind of funny and wild
and quirky, and I mean literally on the desert Hikoy.
They go for this he cooy at nighttime into these caves,

(01:50:57):
so you can you can really feel that sense of
that he has been inspired by taking himself somewhere else
and opening himself up to experiences that he wouldn't have
had otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
You know, So this is a really silly question. But
then so excuse me for it. The Cactus Handshake is
that his like the regular musos he plays with and
they're just calling themselves a handshake for this? So yeah, OK,
because I did. I went on a bit of a
deep dive and I found a band called Cactus Handshake
but they're from Dundee in Scotland, and I was like,

(01:51:28):
I was, I weird, Like he isn't is he? He's
like he hasn't taken some Scottish guys from the least
desert like environment in the world.

Speaker 23 (01:51:37):
Yeah, that's so funny. I mean, imagine what the layers
of that album. Maybe maybe that's some inspiration for his
his ninth album in the series. I don't know, No,
I think that's a real nod to you know, getting
spiked by some cactuses while you're hanging out in the
desert with people people. It was recorded as Rancho de
la Luna, which is like this weird, crazy studio that

(01:52:00):
has been branch of the Sun.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Yeah, totally like and people.

Speaker 23 (01:52:04):
Like Roll Queens of the starf Age have made their
albums their PD Harvey in a heap of rock metal
bands that I probably have no idea who they are,
but you know, there's some real history in there, and
it's just got grimier and more history and more cables everywhere.
And if you get to watch the doc oh and
you hear the album, it's funny because one of the

(01:52:25):
songs he references the dog who's there hanging around with
them the whole time, and I love that, Like, isn't
it amazing? A lot is to be said of finding
our new inspiration from sometimes just putting yourself somewhere different,
and I think that's yeah. I think it's really great.
So you have some of that real cowboy out into
the West kind of stuff. You have some of that
real grungy raw rock. I mean, it's very guitar riff heavy,

(01:52:49):
and there are some really dirty licks on the guitar
and the bass. And I feel like for all of them,
and especially his band, they're being able to really shine
and showcase their levels. But there's been a real journey
for all of them to get to the point of
releasing this album. Through the Night is a really fantastic
song that I think you're going to play very soon.

(01:53:09):
A lot of people have really felt quite connected.

Speaker 16 (01:53:11):
To that song.

Speaker 23 (01:53:12):
Yeah, Troy is calling the live show one of the
scariest live shows he's ever put together, So please come
and be scared with him. He's doing it in lots
of small venues because he's like, this is not a
sit down, be polite, watch we play. This is we're
gonna get sweaty and grim me together while you rock.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Yeah great.

Speaker 23 (01:53:32):
Yeah that starts at when it died Double Why on
the sixth of September, and then he's doing the whole country.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
So ah, so good. I mean, I always love Toy
king I think he's amazing friend of the show. Course,
so what did you give leather Man and the Mohavey
Green go on? It's going to be all there we go,
there we go. Very good. Okay, we're gonna make sure
we have a bit of a listening to a couple
of minutes through the night. Is the one you reckon
we should have a listen to next, So we'll do that,
Thank you so much. A Stelle Stelle Clifford is our

(01:53:56):
music reviewer. Troy Kingey and the Cactus Handshake have their
new album Lea the Man in the Mohave Green, out
now eight to twelve on news doorgs 'DB.

Speaker 1 (01:54:06):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and bpure dot co dot zead for high
quality supplements Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Well, that is our morning together on Newstalk's EDB. Thank
you very much for all of your text and emails today.
Everything from our show is at Newstalks headb dot co,
dot nzed forward slash Jack. You can listen to Jason
Pine broadcasting live from Eden Park this afternoon. On weekends
sports he counts down to the Abs versus Los Pumas.
Of course, Newstalk's EDB is gonna have live commentary just

(01:54:37):
after seven o'clock Elliot Smith with the call our voice
at Rugby. Thanks to Kensey for doing all the tough
stuff today. I'm back with you next Saturday morning. Until then, though,
we are gonna leave you with Troy Kingey and the
Cactus Handshake. Their new album is Leatherman in the Mohavey Green.
This song is through the Night, go the Abs.

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Speaker 7 (01:55:59):
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Speaker 7 (01:56:21):
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Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
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