Full Show Podcast: 17 May 2025

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June Morning, New Zealand. Welcome to News Dogs EDB. Jack
Tame with you through the midday today. We're gonna have
to reconfigure the studio this morning. I don't know how
we're gonna do it. Actually, it's gonna be an it's
gonna be a nightmare. Our feature interview after ten o'clock
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at least four naked salmons. Are they going to be naked?
Who knows? Given it? These guys, the lads behind see

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on his wedding, of course, Brotown. They are getting the
band back together. They sort of live all around the
world these days. Robbie MUGAs Eva lives in Los Angeles,
but they are here. They are performing on stage together
at the International Comedy Fest, and they're going to be
with us in studio. But there are quite a few
of them, so I'm not sure how we're going to
do it. With all of the microphones, everyone's going to

(01:27):
have to squeeze and get nice and tight. They'll be
with us after ten o'clock. Before ten, they're going to
tell you about this fantastic new film starring Gillian Anderson,
she of the X Files fame. You know Scully from
the X Files, are from Sexy Education. This brilliant new
film she's in has just hit cinemas, So we'll give
you a few more details on that very shortly. Right now,
though it is eight minutes past nine, two hundred and

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ten days ago, I was blinking into the sun at
go Media Stadium as Auckland FC strode out onto the
pitch for their first ever A League game. The club
was owned by a billion and the team's style of
play wasn't immediately super alluring. In fact, their very first

(02:13):
goal in the club's professional history came courtesy of an
opposition player who lashed it into the back of the net.
I think I knew about two of the players, maybe,
so I had to keep on cross checking the action
on the pitch with my game day program. So upon reflection,
there were plenty of reasons why Auckland FC might not

(02:33):
have taken off with fans quite as they have. And yet,
and yet here we are, seven months on in the
semi finals of the A League, the crunchy end of
the season for the team that has consistently drawn the
biggest crowds in the competition. I can confirm this morning,
and I never thought I would say this, I've crossed

(02:54):
a sporting threshold of sorts. As much as I still
love the Crusaders and we'll always love the Crusaders, Auckland
FC is my sporting priority each and every week. I
know I've talked before about how much the club kind

(03:15):
of nails the match day experience. And let's not kid
ourselves and imagine that the season would have been quite
the same if they hadn't been winning. But given they
started from nothing, it's also notable the extent to which
the club has actively tried to build and nurture a
fan base. It has been deliberate, and it's taken elbow
grease think about it. It can't be easy to kind

(03:38):
of snap your fingers and try and build a culture
and a fan base overnight. But the club has held, however,
many meet and greets. They've had an enduring outreach program
with local football clubs. They've held training days for kids
and even made an appearance at my mate's local school
fate last weekend. They've had autograph sessions and sponsor gigs,

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and even shipped the regular season trophy around corporate offices
in downtown Auckland over the last fortnight, including this one.
As an organization, Auckland f C has hustled, and I
think the same attitude kind of permeates into their style
of play. The players run hard, they try hard, and

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it's paid off. However, many times this season when the
team scored a goal in the dying seconds of a
game to snatch a draw or a win. I read
an interview at the start of the season in which
the players kind of talked about their respective backgrounds and
apart from the captain, Hiroki Sakai, no one was really
a big league superstar, and honestly, they knew it. They

(04:43):
were professional footballers. Sure that was a hell of an achievement,
but you know, no one was signing perfume deals and
earning half a million bucks a week. They had everything
still to prove, and the only way to do it
was through graft. By the nature of an inaugural season,
everything Auckland f C has done this year has been

(05:04):
a first, but knockout foot all is a different kind
of pressure. That's a home and away Seemi of course
with the away leg first, and part of me, I
don't know, it just feels kind of like a bit
anxious about that. Was it really in our interests to
have a full week off before getting up for a
critical match in opposition territory. Sport can be glorious and

(05:26):
sport can be cruel. Winning the Premier's Plate does not
guarantee anything this stage of the season, But like so
many others, in a few short months, I've come to
feel a real, like a deep affinity for the team.
I now know the respective club histories of players who

(05:47):
were effectively strangers back in October. I know our defense
is our greatest strength. Paulson Hall Sarki Smith Pineket that
Louis Vastrata blends a technical finesse with an enthusiasm for
a fifty to fifty physical challenge. He will dive in.
That Francis Devrees will always whip a ridiculously good delivery,

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And because your momma is just waiting to lash it
in with that left foot, I know how lucky we
are to have had this season, how good it is
for New Zealand football, and seven months since that first
game at Go Media with the knockout stages upon us,
I know we can win. Jack tab ninety two. Ninety

(06:28):
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Yum yum fishcake recipe that he will share for this weekend.
Next up, Kevin Milnson thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame,
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Speaker 1 (06:48):
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Speaker 3 (06:57):
MB sixteen past nine. Peter on the email says Jack
nailed it, and I similarly feel a little bit nervous
about having had a week off and the team going
across the Tasman for the first league of the semi
It'll all payoff next week though I sold out Go
Media yeah, true. At if you want to see me
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(07:19):
to email me instead. Kevin Millner is here with us
this morning, Calder Kevin Kern.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
A question.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
If AFC do win, Yeah, will they their players be
opened being poached from all over the world.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, most of them have resigned for next season already.
Good question, very good question. So the majority of the
team has been re signed. And so we know, for
example that we are losing a like Alex Paulson, who's
the goalkeeper.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
The guy you stole off as well.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I don't know. Have we stole them off Bournemouth, didn't we?
Kevin No, Look, it's all in the interest of New
Zealand football at large.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
Kevin yes.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
And but he but he yes, he's he's going to
be gone. So that's a big loss for the team,
just as there was a big loss for you. But yeah,
I think most of the most of the other players
have signed for next season either, you know, with Auckland
FC with a couple of exceptions. So yeah, but it
must be tricky, you know, and and I don't know.
I think a lot of them probably aren't earning megabucks,

(08:19):
and so you know, you come into an unfamiliar team,
you're not earning megabucks, all of a sudden you have
an unexpectedly good season. You can imagine that it would
have been a tricky round the negotiating table.

Speaker 7 (08:28):
But yes, yeah, yeah, anyway, I hope they do when
I might be more of a Phoenix fan myself, but
they're certainly the AFC really really exciting and get the
hopefully get the whole country simple.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh totally poor. Yeah, look, I actually love the things
and when I'm in Wellington I always always try and
go along. I love the things, and when they're playing Auckland,
I always try and used to try and go along.
So yeah, it's got to be good for New Zealand
football anyway, Keven. You want to remark on a special
Kiwi quality this week, Kiwi's generosity.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Two weeks ago and I spent the weekend in christ
Church with two of its remarkable citizens, doctors Phil and
doctor Sue Bagshaw. Phil Bagshaw's The Surgeon, has set up
the groundbreaking Canterbury Charity Hospital It just grows and grows,
and Sue's seeing her dream come true. The completion of
the Hub, a superb huge, brand new center for teenagers

(09:30):
looking for help and a home. She's been working on
this for years. The couple's selflessness and energy is just astonishing.
Sue's now Dame Susan Bagshaw and her husband Phil Well,
he's just a companion of the New Zealand Leader of
merit and a New Zealander of the Year. You might
recognize their surname. Their heroic son Andrew was killed in Ukraine,

(09:54):
a volunteer helping the local shelter from bonds. They will
tell you that their impressive projects are the result of
extraordinary generosity from others. With funds spare the Canterbury Charity
Hospital refuses to accept government money. It doesn't want pipers
calling the tune. Then how do you get the millions?

(10:16):
I asked, Phil replies, it's not that difficult. Actually, lots
of New Zealanders are extraordinarily generous. Now back home here
in carbody you go, called Vic at the gym was
telling me about a local fundraising project, the Rotary Club
and the Lions combining for the first time anywhere in
New Zealand. They want not just cash but expertise to

(10:40):
build a mini golf course here. It'll be a beauty.
I've sent the pictures of it with bunkers and having
like that. It's and once it's up and going, all
proceeds will go to our needy community about one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars a year according to projections. I
asked it, how's the fundraising going. Can't be easy, he replied,

(11:04):
it's unbelievable. These are a tough time, but we've already
raised two hundred thousand dollars. The Council's giving us the
land mills. Helbert's doing their contracting. Free work starts in September.
The generosity, he said, of New Zealanders is phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
I wish you could talk.

Speaker 8 (11:22):
About it on the radio.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
So here we are Jack talking about it on the radio.
Kiwi generosity. We're a bloody good country, aren't we.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah? Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it. When you hear those
kind of you hear those kind of stories and anecdotes
from people, you realize that there are so many Kiwis
who do dig deep despite these kind of trying times
and trying economic times. Yeah, that's good to hear.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
A yeah, it is at both levels. The corporate level
obviously that they have to kick in, yeah, and little
and down that there would be more in the christ
Church situations here, but down here, up here in Cavity,
you've got lots of little businesses throwing man into it,

(12:07):
and lots of slightly bigger businesses saying well, well, actually
do a whole bunch of work for you.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
And yeah an individuals giving money, I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I totally agree with you. Kevin well said, Hey, thank
you Kevin Milner gave us this morning and thank you
for your feedback.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Congratulations to Auckland FC. Most were strangers to you at
the start of the season, but not to Wellington and
or the Phoenix. So many of the AFC players played
for years in the Phoenix system and then the guys
with the check books came in and stole them. Just
remember the Wellington Phoenix kept New Zealand football up there
for twenty years, is felt you know what Phil fair
call not going to dispute that, and you know I

(12:47):
would say that, you know, I don't know that Phoenix
necessarily outbid for all of that for all of the
AFC players. But you're so right, like the Phoenix have
for years chipped away and helped to build New Zealand
football resources and talent, and certainly Auckland has benefited from that.

(13:08):
So you know, I think I think Phoenix fans and
the Phoenix organization should get a whole lot of credit
and take a whole lot of pride with what Auckland
has achieved the season, which I know might sound weird
given they're supposed to be rivals, but no, I think
that's totally fair, Neil, says Jack nicely. Put this morning,
it has been a great season for AFC. I just
hope they can keep the dream alive and continue their

(13:29):
winning ways. So I know they've got what it takes.
Thanks to that, Neil. If you are seeing us text,
don't forget the standard text costs apply. Right over a
couple of minutes, we'll get our Sportos thoughts on the
worry is for tonight, and plus we've got that Gillian
Anderson film to share with you before teen o'clock. Right now,
it is twenty three past nine.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Twenty five past nine on News Talks EDB. Don't worry,
I'm still watching plenty of Super rugby. So that last
couple of minutes between the Canes and the Landers last
night was thrilling, to say the least. I honestly thought
that the Hurricanes had kind of butchered their chances until cam
Rugard dived over and what was the eighty first minute?
I think Sporto Andrew Sevil will have been watching, no doubt,

(14:17):
and it's with us this morning, call us have.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Jack good morning. Wasn't Roy Guard sensational?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
He was amazing.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
There are a couple of little errors, but not everybody's perfect,
but just as delivery and running from broken play and
running from the base of the ruck, he is clearly,
clearly the All Blacks half back.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, I mean so a couple of one, a couple
of things there. So he first of all, to see
him still on the pitch at the eighty first minute,
I mean it's pretty common now that your front row
and your half back are usually off come the dying
minutes of the game. Right last twenty minutes you'd usually
have you know, the kind of standard practice would be
to have a replacement, but they kept him on. Obviously
that paid off. Also, maybe it was just the Captain

(15:00):
America shoots last night, but I was like, man, Cam Royguards,
like really gotten big?

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Was thing that?

Speaker 6 (15:07):
So I think a couple of the one of the
young locks, I thought has been working out.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Maybe it's for you and I just to get something
similar workplace.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
Maybe number one, it's the fit of the jersey. Secondly,
where do we get them from exactly as well? Yeah,
but I thought it was a fantastic game.

Speaker 8 (15:27):
Gee.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
The Highlanders came to play typical Jamie Joseph type staunch defense.
They tackled everything all night. I reckon they would have
made over probably two hundred and fifty tackles in the game.
I think roy Guard was left on because clearly the
Hurricanes the game was in the bag. It was nowhere
near that. I don't think anyone picked it to be

(15:48):
so tight between the Canes and the Highlanders, but got
on them for sticking to their guns. The Canes they
they they had a penalty advantage at the end, but
could have easily coughed up the ball. I actually thought
the Highlanders had won it with about two or three
to play when Awe got one of his signature turnovers
over the ball at rug time near the near his
own goal line. Then they yeah yeah, and then an

(16:13):
era and yeah, but just it was it was. It
was one of those games which we've seen a lot
of this season. Very tight, finish, dramatic and very entertaining.
Then the Crusaders went out and smoked the Warrtars. The
score the scores a bit flattering for the Wartars. I
think forty eight to thirty three to the Crusaders. They
were up thirty one to seven at the break. The

(16:34):
game was pretty much gone. Then they're still second on
points difference, but behind the Chiefs the Crusaders, but it
looks like they will finish one and two.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, goat to see Warriors this evening. What five pm
kickoff time tonight?

Speaker 7 (16:50):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Five o'clock? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Dolphins?

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Yeah yeah, tricky Brisbane. Some court they'll have. They'll probably
have the home advantage the Warriors. They always have a
huge following, especially in Brisbane. Can they keep this run going?
The Dolphins have shown some real good patches of form
in recent weeks, so it's going to be a difficult ask,

(17:12):
I think for the Warriors, although with James Fisher Harris back,
they will certainly have their talismanic leader leading from the
charge again, So looking forward to that before the old
football tonight, Mate and I've spoken at length about Auckland FC,
but what they've done this year is quite remarkable, creating

(17:33):
a team, creating the franchise, making some outstanding calls on
hiring staff early on in the piece, Terry mcflynn the
football manager who then goes out and recruits the players.
Steve Corick of the coach. I think Danny Hay, the
former All Whites coach, former All Whites captain's been a

(17:53):
major influence on this team this year as well. And
Jack not that it should always matter, but they're actually
a really good bunch of guys who are very tight
and are very approachable and look like they enjoy playing
sport together and that's what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
So my little pick, if I was in Steve Coriker's
hear over the last couple of weeks, is that Jesse
Randall needs to be playing more. So I just want
them to be in the record entered in the record,
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a bit more
game time tonight, because I don't think Max Mutter is
necessarily going to Australia. But yeah, he came on with

(18:32):
just I reckon. If you broke down the goals scored
per minutes played this season, Jesse Randall might even be
I think he's scored three goals, might even be leading AFC.
And he's very quick, quick and ruthless in front of goal,
which is innocent, which is what we want.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
There's some great stories with a lot of the players
who were either sort of wallowing in lower divisions in
Europe or even playing amateur football here. They've been given
a chance in the A League with this new team
and they've been standout ys, not only within their own
team but within the league. So however, as we know
with knockout sport, knockout football, anything can happen, right, they

(19:08):
need to keep that attacking mindset going tonight, not aim
for a drawer away or anything like that, which I
don't think they will no, but yeah, looking forward to
this and then Formula one this weekend. We've got Ryan
Fox what is he? Plus one three under overall tied

(19:28):
for twelve through sixteen, So not the round he had yesterday,
but still well and truly in the hunt. He's only
four or five shots off the lead. Ryan Fox coming
to the end of his second round.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'll keep an eye on that
and make sure. Yeah, it'd be great if he could
get a couple other boodies maybe work his way out
there leaderboard a little bit, but tied for twelfth at
the moment, not too bad.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
And what a week it's been for him.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, my goodness. Hey, thanks Sev. Appreciate it as always
our sporto Andrew Saviil there. Speaking of the kind of
background stories for the AWKND DEFC players, there is a
great story in the Herald this morning by Michael Burgess
about my number one favorite player, Francis Devrees, the the
fan favorite in AFC, and his kind of journey to

(20:11):
professional football in New Zealand, one that's taken him through
Denmark and Sweden and all sorts of interesting experiences overseas.
He's come back from a pretty devastating injury as well,
So if you want to read that Inzia Herald dot
co dot NZ, Jack says, and I think you've got
the balance just right, maintaining your old allegiance and your
staunch support of the crusaders, and yet developing a new

(20:32):
loyalty to your adopted Hometown's a f C. The pronouns
say it all our and wei versus there, and they
let's hope for a win over Melbourne. Thanks Ann ninety
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Speaker 9 (20:45):
A message, start.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
This is Mel parsons new track. It's called Brick by Brick.
He's got a tour kicking off really soon, and a
little booty has told us that a new album is
not far away as well. It is twenty five minutes
to ten on News Talks AB, which means it's time
to get your film picks for this weekend. Francesca Radkin,
our film reviewer, is here this morning. Hey Francisca, good morning. Okay,

(21:23):
we've got two films, both of them showing in cinemas
this morning, so let's start off by having a little
bit of a listen to the Salt Path.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
What is it?

Speaker 8 (21:32):
Five hundred miles?

Speaker 10 (21:33):
Oh like six hundred?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Are you walking the path? It's a long old hike.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, retired homeless actually here ready, arms of my legs,
but often that good to go.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
This has the great. Jillian Anderson and Jason Isaacs tell
us about the whole path.

Speaker 11 (21:56):
Oh, well, you know that I love a good walk,
don't you, Jack.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Are you usually run your walks? That's the difference. Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 11 (22:03):
Absolutely beautiful up in the way taxes this morning. Something
to do if you're an auchodos.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I mean, what to have? Ridiculous to even start off
with with a brag like that, You've already you've already
been out. Yeah, I haven't even broken ten am, and
franchise has already made her way up into the white target.
Is she's gone? I'm probably she's probably done, like a
half marathon or something like that.

Speaker 10 (22:24):
It's a short ten and there's not all all the
regular there's.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
An oxymoron a short ten.

Speaker 12 (22:29):
A short ten.

Speaker 11 (22:30):
Now look to the film, so but it will make
you want to go walking. This film is based on
the Southwest Coast Path in southwest England, six hundred and
thirty miles, but it's also a film about a middle
aged couple who lose their home. They lose their farm
through a bad investment. The kids are off studying and
working and so the kids are sort of able to

(22:52):
look after themselves. A bit, but they find themselves homeless
and they're living on a benefit which is forty pounds
a week, and they have no idea.

Speaker 10 (22:59):
What they're going to do and hard they're going to survive.

Speaker 11 (23:01):
And they come up with this idea they'll go. They'll
just walk. They'll walk and they'll camp on this track.
Win and Moth are the names of these people. This
is actually based on Win's book that she wrote about
Sorry Rayner's book ray Want to Win, her book that

(23:24):
she wrote about the Walk, and so it's based on
a true story. Moth has also just been had a
terminal diagnosis and he's actually really struggling to walk. So
he's got this kind of very very rare disease and
things and it's terminal and things don't look good, and
yet they still go, this is our only option. Beautiful
performances by the two. There is absolutely no vanity in

(23:44):
their portrayal of these characters. You know they are just
you see them become very wind blowing and sun burnt
as you would expect. The scenery is beautiful as you
would expect. But what I loved about this story is
it's kind of really it's a bit of a love story.
Actually it's very touching. It's about two people who find
themselves in a really difficult situation who embrace their adversity

(24:08):
and kind of get on with it. And you see
all the nuances of this challenge. You see the physical difficulties,
you see it, you know, obviously homelessness, and then when
winter arrives, the helplessness they feel when it comes to
their children and not being there for them, and the
hopelessness of their situation. And as time goes by, you know,
walking they sort of become at one with nature, they

(24:30):
learn about themselves, and they even though they take a
break over winter, they kind of look at each other
and go, actually, we need to be on this We
need to be walking, We need to be on this path.

Speaker 13 (24:39):
So not the.

Speaker 11 (24:40):
Scenery does do a lot of work for this film,
but I think it's the performances that draw you in
on this journey.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Really stibulous, Okay, great, okay, And that's the salt path.
I do love Julian Anderson, so that.

Speaker 11 (24:52):
She's beautiful in us.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
She really is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Okay. So that's the salt path that showing in cinemas.
Also showing in cinemas something completely different Final Destination bloodlines.

Speaker 14 (25:06):
You don't get to pick the one you get, just
got to love the one you got.

Speaker 15 (25:10):
It Death is coming for our family.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Right, well it sounds yeah yeah.

Speaker 11 (25:26):
So normally by the time you get to a sixth
film and a franchise, Jack, I'm losing interesting, Yeah, But interestingly,
there might just be life in this franchise.

Speaker 8 (25:35):
Yet.

Speaker 10 (25:36):
This is the sixth film.

Speaker 11 (25:38):
It's been going for twenty five years. It's been fourteen
years without a new movie, so I was quite intrigued
to see what they did here. And I wouldn't call
it so much a reboot, but they have kind of
tried to put a bit of a twist on the formula,
the Final Destination formula, and they've also kind of the
films have often always been brewed standalone, but they have

(25:58):
made some lovely connections here back to previous films, but
you don't need to have seen any of them. It
opens in the sixties. This young couple head to this
new Skyview restaurant, which is like the Skytarer in Aukland.
They're going up the elevator and they're told that the
tower was completed ahead of time, which makes Iris a
little bit concerned.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
That maybe that's not such a good thing, and as
the night.

Speaker 11 (26:19):
Wears on, the dance for in this restaurant gives way jack,
leading to the most gruesome series of deaths as the
tower collapses. And I should probably say at this point, look,
the Final Destination films are all about how a small
series of events like flipping a coin off the top
of this tower can lead to massive traumatic accidences and
accidents and you know, and they are known for very creative,

(26:45):
gruesome death. This film loves to be gory but also
really funny, and death is kind of a main unseen
character in these films, so that's kind of that's the
way they roll. But this restaurant scene is both a
premonition and a dream.

Speaker 10 (26:59):
A dream.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
So Iris has this premonition in the sixties and she
saves all these people, but her granddaughter Stefani, many years later,
is having the same dream as well. And what happens
is that if you cheat death, death does not forget
that and death will come after you. And Stefani, like
her grandmother, Iris, can see it in the universe and

(27:20):
feel death coming. Oh it's totally batty and just great fun.
So she works out the Iris, Yeah, so Iris didn't die,
but now the whole family does have to die, and
they have to stop trying and find a way to
prevent that from happening. They have to cheat death again. Look,
once again, the deaths are ghastly, really imaginative. I laughed
as much as I kind of flail barms around the

(27:43):
fright in this film. There's as many frights as there
are laughs. And actually, I'm going to give them some
credit here. I think they've actually done a really good
job of bringing, you know, bringing this bringing this franchise
back and entertaining the audience who have loved it for
twenty five yearsh.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Oh, very good. Okay, that's Final Destination, blood Lines, Francisca's
first film, The Salt Path. Both of those are in
cinemas at the moment, and we'll put all of the
details up on the new talks Hedb website. Thank you,
franch Eska. You will let you just go and I
don't know, do an ultramarathon this afternoon or something just
really casual and chill like that. Oh, she's gone, there's it,

(28:17):
she's on the track. You said, this is the problem.
Don't forget if you feel like I don't know maybe
after watching Final Destination Bloodlines you feel like something just
a little bit different. The French Film Festival is kicking
off later this month from Keddy Kendy to Duned and
there are going to be twenty three films showing in
the festival this year, from thrillers, dramas, comedies and you

(28:39):
can win tickets. So if you go to news STORKSHDB
dot co dot nz forward slash Win, you can enter
there and find out a bit more information about the
French Film Festival twenty twenty five. Ganesh Raj with his
humble Yum Yum fishcake recipe for us next at seventeen
to ten.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
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Speaker 3 (29:04):
It is quarter to ten on newstalks 'b in person
lighting up our morning. Ganish Raj has brought well first
of all, brought a delicious looking a little snacks mate,
So thank you very much someone I appreciate that. Hey,
you have a couple of interesting little projects going on
at the moment. So before we get to your humble
yum young fishcakes, just tell us first of all about

(29:25):
the Humble Yum Young project.

Speaker 16 (29:27):
Yes, absolutely so. The Humble Yum Yum project kicked off
when itat Well for Less launched in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
There was season one, right, and then.

Speaker 16 (29:34):
We rolled into COVID right right, Yeah, and then the
episode came out. The season came out, people were home,
they watched.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
It, they loved it. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (29:44):
I didn't know whether they loved it because they were
you know, locked in the houses.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Or they loved I was gonna say, you never know.
For those lines that we saw outside the supermarket, nobody.

Speaker 16 (29:53):
Asked them to buy all the flower. I did not
do that. Nobody said buy all the flower. But anyway,
what I learned through the first round, which we had
like thousands of applications, was how little people understood about
food and how to put a meal together.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (30:06):
That was the thing that was resonating and then meeting
these families. I'm from Southeast Asia. I come from a
part of the world where cooking in one pan is normal.
In fact, four fifth of the planet cooks on one
pan every day. The oldest cultures in the world do right,
you know that, And it's delicious food. So I thought
all right, this idea of being able to cook for
under twenty bucks for four, which is backyard cooking for me,

(30:28):
how about I go there? And then all of a
sudden I started to realize that I had to create
the content. So I built a studio in my basement
and made the humble Yum Yum YouTube channel, which stands
for twenty bucks for four using one pan, one pot,
global food that doesn't cost the world.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That's so good twenty bucks for four. Say really, well,
let's put it this way.

Speaker 16 (30:48):
So now I say under thirty four that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
So I mean, that's that's the true. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
especially if you've got proteins in there.

Speaker 16 (30:56):
Right, absolutely, And sometimes there's twenty five, which brings me
to these fish cakes you have here today, right. So
the idea behind the humble Yum yum is get rid
of all the reconceived ideas of things chicken in a
can yuck, frozen fish yuck.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Will you please have a biito? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (31:15):
Absolutely, And I'm gonna tell the story and then you're
gonna tell me what you're tasting. Okay, So these so
these are still warm?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 16 (31:21):
Oh my god, I'm a service human. Oh my god right, bro, god,
yeah they are they are really good. There, take a moment,
I'll talk you eat yeah, please, But anyway, it's twelve
dollars for four people, so five in a portion, which
is what you have. I have four more, three more

(31:41):
sitting at home.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
My gosh.

Speaker 16 (31:43):
And the fish is frozen basa which I defrosted last night,
which is seven dollars.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
For four people. It's very good value. Yeah, you didn't care, no, no, no, no, wrong,
most delicious. Right, you didn't care, nong.

Speaker 16 (31:55):
So my whole thing is like, let's help people get
over the hump of things that are already in the supermarket.
We have no food insecurity. We have a little bit
of food ignorance. Yeah, and so I say, by learning
how to cook stuff, you are free from the clutches
of high prices supermarkets.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Like take some of the power back.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I think it's such an important message and timely message.
So do you want to do the recent people, or
should we talk about some of the other things that
you're trying to work on at the moment When it
comes to a bit of a shift around nutrition and
the way otherwise in which you're helping people to understand
the food they're reading.

Speaker 16 (32:29):
I think let's do that because we're about to go
season five in August.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well for less my gosh, it's coming out.

Speaker 16 (32:37):
So over the past five seasons more has been learned. Right,
We're just constantly learning, learning learning learning New Zealand what
you're thinking, what can you afford? And of course over
those five years, prices have been doing what they've been doing.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
So I'm just.

Speaker 16 (32:50):
Learning that, you know, people need to know more than
just cooking. So now we're really pushing read the back
of the box, really really understand. Understand that no one's
going to tell you what's on the back of the box.
No one's going to explain any of that too, because
they've done their legal job of putting it on the.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Back of the box.

Speaker 16 (33:09):
But you have to educate yourself a bit more because
heart disease, diabetes, fat these are things that are increasing
in our country and so we have to take a
little bit of responsibility. We cannot say why don't you
tell us?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Now?

Speaker 16 (33:22):
I'm I'm hosting this webinar for a sugar tax levy
webinar international thing. Why am I doing it? I'm trying
to lean into this space to understand more about it right,
what it actually takes. There's a case study out of
Mexico that profit is coming, which is why I'm most excited.
She got legislation passed that didn't have a tax because

(33:45):
taxes just passed on. You don't know that, so we
won't do that. But it had like really big stickers
like they did on cigarette pats that said high sugar warning.
Just another wall for you to think before you buy
because Mexico.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
For people who don't know Mexico, I had like one
of it's not the highest obesity rates in the world, right, absolutely.

Speaker 16 (34:06):
And we are not far no, And we don't have
a food culture that promotes, you know, a more protein
and vegetable diet as a culture, we don't have that.
We have a fast food culture. We have a convenience
food culture, so we're uphill all day.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (34:22):
So the only way is to help people with some
clearer messaging. So I'm trying to lean into the messaging space.
I don't know, Like the back of the pack of
chicken nuggets. It still surprises me how people look at
it and when I tell them it's only fifty two
percent chicken. The rest of it's soy filler. They're like
what yeah, And I'm like it's right there, and I'm
so sorry to burst your bubble, but listen, man, and

(34:43):
Whole Chicken's fourteen dollars, you just bought five hundred grams
of pre fried salted high ingredients list. I don't even
know how to say it.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
It's the when you see the numbers, I'm like, it's
like a I don't recognize that as actually being a food.

Speaker 16 (34:59):
I call it Chernobyl. Yeah, it's the Chernobyl formula whatever.
It's like even the back of the instant.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
No, the instant. Yeah, that's like nuclear ways. Oh yeah,
that's but it's so delicious. Something that's so good. Yeah,
the little flavor nuclear waste.

Speaker 16 (35:15):
Yeah, it's nuclear waste, but I get it once a week,
go for it, but don't be the family that rolls
it out three times a day or.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yes, that's all up. Yeah, So that is a very important.

Speaker 16 (35:26):
So trying to get people to have less sugar is important,
you know. So I'm starting to lean into that space
and then educating young people. I'm going down to Wellington
soon to try and talk to teachers about how I'm
building a humble, young, young young person's program right, because
I feel like every time I meet eleven, twelve and
thirteen year olds, they're buzzing, they love to cook, they're interested.

(35:49):
So my classes involve a parent and a student. I
run them right now. The Otato Scorpions Rugby Club courtesy
of Sousea's Healthcare Peace. But the good news is you
learn from that. Yeah, and I'm not I want to
go to schools now. So I'm working with about six
schools in South Auckland to try and them together so
we can run these and learn and meet people where

(36:11):
they are.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, you know that's kind of the Okay, So what
we're gonna do is we're gonna put your humble, young
young fish cakes up on news. It is like, there's
properly delicious and honestly, the ingredients are so easy. So
you've got a little bit of carry paste. Yeah there
buster fish that you mentioned, that's correct, cornflower green beans,
fish sauce or sauce sauce, a little bit of lime
of lemon juice, a little bit of coriander as well

(36:33):
if you want, cucumber if you want, but a sweet
chili sauce.

Speaker 16 (36:37):
Chili and some rice on the side. The beans in
the middle and that's ninety five. That's one hundred and
twenty five grams of protein proportion.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Wow, you speak to someone who like looks like he
measures his protest.

Speaker 16 (36:48):
But I'm just saying, like value for money, No, one
just like value for money. I know macros are boring.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
No, that's wonderful. Thank you so much, thank you for
having me man when we will put gunishes humble, young
young fishcake up at news storks heb dot co dot inze.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
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Speaker 3 (37:13):
That'd be okay. Just trying to keep you up to speed.
With Ryan Fox in the PGA Championship. So he has
finished his round. I believe he's now four under so
he was even for his round today, which means that
he's tied for sixth place at the moment, which is
not a bad day, giving head a couple of burgies, bogies,
a couple of bogies early on and then obviously brought

(37:34):
things back. So yeah, tie for six at the moment
in the PGA Championship. After ten o'clock our feature interview
right after the news, The Naked Psalm Morns. These guys
have been performing together four years. They are hilarious, of course,
the creative geniuses behind the likes of Brotown AND's Wedding,
but they haven't been on stage together in quite some time. Now,

(37:58):
courtesy of a bit of a group chat, they've arranged
to perform on stage as the Naked Salmons at the
Comedy Festival, which kicks off this week. So they're going
to be with us in studio to tell us a
little bit about this show. I wonder what their I
wonder what their their group chat is like. Probably not
going to be publicized anytime soon, so very much looking
forward to that as well as that. You know how

(38:20):
Los Angeles is set to host the Olympic Games. They've
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I'll tell you this much. It involves flying. It is
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(38:42):
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Speaker 1 (38:50):
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Speaker 3 (39:21):
Moreto you Were, Jack Taime on Newstalk Dead Be through
to twelve o'clock today. The Naked Sarmons have been instrumental
in pushing pacifica humor into the mainstream in New Zealand.
You know they what launched a new era of sort
of popular culture in New Zealand with Brotown and the
smash Its on his wedding. And after three decades of

(39:42):
being in the business, the lads are still not done.
The Naked Salmons are getting back together and returning to
the stage for the International Comedy Festival, and this morning
we have piled as many of them as we possibly
could into the studio. David Chimpale, Robbie and Mario Calderkoto
welcome to the show to see you. I reckon, I reckon,
I should say, is it man? What did I say?

(40:08):
I almost said money from instead of good Thanks? How
you're doing I think this We've set a record for
the most number of people squeezing into the studio, so
a very impressive start. It is twenty seven years since
The Naked Salmon's first show. Twenty seven years, so who
has aged the best?

Speaker 17 (40:27):
I put my money on date, I don't think so.
I think I think it's Champelle sitting right because New
LANs have this unique ability to always look the same
as sixteen as they will when they're sixty, and Shampelle
has changed one iota.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
What is that about.

Speaker 18 (40:50):
Every morning, especially on these cold mornings? Oh yeah, put
to shine on.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
So when I say twenty seven years, do you does
anyone have like a physical reaction where you go where
that's like that's a fair amount of time.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I suppose you don't think about it,
you know, in the twenty year one up to twenty,
but looking back now you go, holy cow, I've been
off these guys. I know these guys more than I
know my family. You know, my older brothers growing up.
I know these guys more. I've spent more time with
these guys than the eight brothers and sisters I have.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
So is that a good thing, Mario?

Speaker 8 (41:28):
I actually think so.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just to be there when we all
gives a.

Speaker 14 (41:37):
Long answer, But also one of those things like twenty
seven years. We only get reminded when we do things
like this, like we haven't been on stage for a
very long time, but it's just when we reconnect. It's
just you know, it's like you know, old habits.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, right, and you can't fall into the just fall
into See that's interesting because I wondered over that period
of time, like the world changes, people's lives change, you
sort of go off in desparate directions. Right, have you
noticed that your respective senses of humor have changed?

Speaker 7 (42:08):
Oh, very much.

Speaker 17 (42:09):
So we're more low brown now than we ever have
been where we you know, those those those kid jokes
and the ordering. You know, while I get the funnier
they seem to me, you know, there's a real depth
to them.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Now, explain that. So, so you mean like just like
just kind of knocking around immature jokes that you make
and as kids, all of a sudden, actually there's kind
of there's a purpose to it.

Speaker 17 (42:33):
Yeah, there's there's something profound and their makeup and then
you go, wow, so that's what it's about. And then
then I started laughing, But ley's only because you know,
I've got nothing else to think about.

Speaker 18 (42:47):
Really, Sometimes it sort of depends on context. Like you think,
when you're in other circles with other people and stuff,
you think you're you know, you developed or you've evolved,
you know sort of thing. But then you come back
into the room of these guys and they're straight back to.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
Grow up.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
See you think I'm all intellectual, I'm well read. It
comes down yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll.

Speaker 18 (43:13):
Walk into the same room together two minutes later.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
So why why do you why why do you want
to get together on stage again? Because you've had so
many different things that you have created and performed in
over the years as a group, but actually getting on
stage is not something you've done a long time.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (43:29):
I think it's it's more a case of, like sometimes
the world needs a little reminder of the of being
a bit kinder to herself, of that there's something more
beyond the realm, and and I find I think that's

(43:50):
why we sometimes get back together, because sometimes I think
people forget that, you know, forget that they're alive and
they're okay to laugh and it's okay to own that laugh. Yeah,
you know, it's I think it's with comedy what I'm
enjoying about comedy and these times now is that people
are understanding that they're laughter and the way they laugh

(44:12):
as ownership and it's a way of coping with things
and coping with you know, like issues there finding in
the world. And we're just adding a little reminder. Yeah, yeah,
it's okay to laugh, It's okay to be you. It's
okay to have those silly thoughts and and break out
on a big smile and laugh.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (44:33):
Plus, we got sick of Robbie hesling about twice a
year Robbie message after seven years.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
We thought, oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 14 (44:45):
To my shock, to my shock, about two months ago,
they I got a text. Well, on the group text,
I said, we're putting on a show. Seriously, because yeah,
we're putting on the show.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (44:54):
That made me laugh because normally yeah, I'm in, I'm in. Well,
when are we doing it? When we're doing it? Yeah,
we're doing it?

Speaker 9 (45:01):
Really?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Is there a group chat? Yeah? How good? Oh my gosh,
to be a fly on the wall in that group chat. Yeah,
who's who's who? Who posted the best content in the
in the group chat? I think it's pretty much even,
is it?

Speaker 6 (45:24):
Like?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Is it? You know the will can be a bit
sensitive about certain things these days. Is it one of
those group chats that you really don't want to be
leaked publicly because you guys have have all sorts of
questions that you have to answer, or yeah, yeah.

Speaker 17 (45:39):
Yeah, it's all in the secret language of the naked.
If you can code that, then then you were in.

Speaker 14 (45:46):
Let's just say, I'm glad only these guys get to
see what.

Speaker 18 (45:50):
Yeah, Robert, all have kids now, and our kids are
always you know, correcting us.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
We'll get told off by our kids now.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah. Give me an example of your kids telling you.

Speaker 14 (46:02):
No, it's it's example would be I would be sing
about something my daughter say dad, stop, just absolutely stop.
Just think about it, like they are the adults now.

Speaker 17 (46:14):
And my daughter she's helping work on this thing by
the scenes, and we did this little segment for for
the social media and I did it and then she
turned around and said, no, no, grow up. And you
know this is in front of everyone, and I'm going

(46:35):
and I'm standing here going and looking at the others
and are just going save some grow up muster.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
So is there is that because you think that the
younger generations are a bit more are a bit more
pre or a bit more, just a bit more.

Speaker 17 (46:55):
I don't think they're precious. I think that they I mean,
God bless them that they're navigating a world that goes
so fast that we never had to do and they
are understanding asked the context in which things can you know,
go off the wall, and they understand that world, and
you know, it's it's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
But then why is the room always dirty? That's what
I don't get. Yes, but the room's always dirty?

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (47:25):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
So so Robbie White, why have you been why have
you been editating on the group chat?

Speaker 8 (47:32):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Is this like a tax thing because you live in America?
You just you needed to get back to New Zealand something.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I was doing it.

Speaker 14 (47:39):
I was doing it when I was living Yeah, okay, yeah,
but it's it's just the fun I've had, you know
since I joined. I forgot what year I came. What
year did I join the.

Speaker 17 (47:49):
Oh early about twenty four years years?

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Four years right?

Speaker 14 (47:54):
And I remember my first time rehearsal with these guys.
I couldn't It was an ad workout, like I just
lost it historically, laughing the whole time. And I enjoy
my time with the boys on stage. The last show
we did was in my mind was go Home had
a Ball. We had a ball, So that for me
it was selfishly, it was just like, I just want

(48:15):
to hang around with the boys and do something great
and hopefully make some people happy.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Is there any better feeling in the world than when
you've been with people and you actually notice, like physically
that your abs hurt from laughing?

Speaker 14 (48:28):
It was it was it bats? Is it bats? That's
done in you with Wellington?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Oh? Serious, serious, Yah, it's remarkable. So talk to us
about the shaping of the show. So, Dave, you said
that your daughter's been helping out a little bit, But
how do you guys actually go about like creating this,
especially when like Robbie, you've been living overseas but you're
alsort of in different areas and things. At the moment.

Speaker 17 (48:50):
All we do is we we get together and someone
proposes an idea and then we just start riffing on it, right,
And normally the idea is about something that either they
just sort of find funny or or maybe it's something
socially that we that we we care about, and we
start riffing on it, and then we start planning, and

(49:12):
then we start arguing and then we have fights and
there you go there to make it, and then we
all make up, and then we the next day we
all end up on the same fight again because we
didn't really make up.

Speaker 19 (49:24):
And myself, myself, myself, keep bus.

Speaker 17 (49:34):
Myself, Why lord am I here?

Speaker 19 (49:37):
Why these guys?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
It's triny because it always ends up the same twenty
seven years and we've always had the same or a
similar workflow. And just to circle back to your question before,
why do we do this? The it has always been
a safe place for us, a happy place for us.
And yeah, you know, we've got to you know, we
do different things in our everyday lives, but when we
get a chance to come back together and play, we've

(50:02):
we've loved.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
It every time.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
So we just dropped. We just dropped again.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I feel like one of the the real pleasures of
having you guys get together and perform on stage now
is that the audience is going to be a mix
of people who remember twenty seven years ago.

Speaker 20 (50:17):
But yeah, but like, yeah, they're kids all you know,
They're going to be this whole kind of new generation
who will be familiar with your work in different places
but but probably you know, might not have seen you
on stage together before, which is like, that's so nice
to think that you've got kind of new minds to.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
You to corrupt.

Speaker 19 (50:36):
Yeah, exactly, new minds corrupted.

Speaker 17 (50:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, So I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I was going to say, it's definitely a thing. I've
got a young sixteen year sixteen year old who came
to our Last Truth for the very first time he
saw his dad on stage. Yeah, and I feel like
I've got I've got a bit of cred in his
you know that young mind. It was this guy does that?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah? Yeah, another one. Do you do your kids find
you funny? That would they?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Man? This is that kids are a tough audience, These teens,
they're tough. Man. I actually think our humans you know,
he thinks, man, you guys are so dry. But you
know when I watched when I watch a lot of
uh comedy skits on online, you know, half of those
don't make me laugh. Half of them do. So it's

(51:24):
sort of like a different structure of different folks type
of thing at the moment. But you know, sometimes he
finds me funny, but a lot of times he finds
me Dad, that's so dry, man. You and your mates.

Speaker 18 (51:34):
Yeah, it's the stage.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
What's what is the GenZ for? It's dry? Is it dry?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Is it that man?

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Cring? Cringe? Cringe? Yeahring is it cringe?

Speaker 21 (51:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, I'm told.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Some real.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Okay, So give us the pitch. What can we expect
from the show?

Speaker 17 (52:04):
Absolute rubbish and let you go, Oh what did I
just say? And what did I just experience? But what
you'll get is some some real joy, some real you know,
stuff to think about, and at the end of the day,
some real community jack.

Speaker 14 (52:25):
Once we finished the script, it'll be magical nice and.

Speaker 18 (52:29):
It'll be it'll be it'll be six or six guys
you know, in their later years, enjoying the opportunity to play,
to play together again on stage.

Speaker 17 (52:38):
Yeah, it'll be you know, I see this is that
sense of play really, that that keeps us there for
twenty seven years. It's like where else can you go
and just play?

Speaker 8 (52:47):
You know?

Speaker 17 (52:48):
Too too often you're so caught up with being serious adult.
It's not that much to play, you know, Come play
with us. Yeah, but in a good way. Yeah, not
on a bad way. I don't we played with in
a bad way. On good play.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
There will be many shows and audiences will be looking
for this, and especially in these train times, so they'll
be looking for confidence security where all we can offer
is danger.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
And mystery. Well, are delighted that you guys are back
on stage together. It is fantastic news. And I know
I know so many Naked Salmon fans, whether they be
fans from way back twenty seven years ago or new fans,
will be thrilled to see you guys on stage. Thank
you so much for coming in, Thanks for having us

(53:38):
David Schifar, Robbie and Mario or the Naked Salmons there.
They've actually completely get this. They've completely sold out at
the Herald Theater this week is part of the New
Zealand International Comedy Festival, but they have added a special
show at Q Theater, Auckland on Wednesday, May twenty eight
if you missed out, so you can go to Comedy
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(53:58):
a couple of things. I've had heaps of texts, so Jack,
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US Talks EDB twenty five past ten on News Talks EDB.
That means, of course, that it's screen time time. Tara
Reward is our screen time experts. Her job to bring
in three shows to recommend every week. Hey Tara, good morning.
Let's begin with the show streaming on Netflix. Tell us
about secrets we keep.

Speaker 10 (55:06):
This is a new Danish thriller. It's just landed on Netflix.
And if you're a fan of the Harlan Coben thrillers
that they have on Netflix. If you like a really stylish,
sleek mystery, then this is one for you. This is
Secrets We Keep. It's set in Copenhagen in one of
the city's wealthiest neighborhoods called North Zealand, and it's about
what happens when an opa goes missing, and the main

(55:27):
character is Cecil. She starts to worry when her neighbor's
Filipino nanny, Ruby disappears one day, completely out of the blue.
She becomes more worried when her neighbors, who she is
close friends with, don't seem to be concerned at all.
Ruby has left her passport behind, She's not taken any clothes,
so there's definitely something wrong, and so Cecil starts to

(55:48):
dig into what has happened and starts to uncover a
lot of secrets about her friends and her family, and
everyone becomes a suspect.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
And this is.

Speaker 10 (55:56):
About power and class and what having money does to people.
And like a lot of thrillers at the moment, it's
about those lies and secrets that are just hiding underneath
that beautiful, perfect surface. And it works really well. This
is uneasy and tense, but very bingeable. The episodes are
just over thirty minutes long, so it doesn't waste any time.
It moves along at a cracking pace. And this would

(56:18):
be my weekend watch. It's a great little thriller.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Nice cool that secrets we keep. It's on Netflix on
Neon tell Us about Duster.

Speaker 10 (56:25):
Yes, something completely different. This is Dust. This is jj
abrams new show. And this is just purely fun, entertaining television.
It's set in the nineteen seventies in Arizona. It's about
a guy called Jim who is a getaway driver for
a crime boss. So he has to do a lot
of his boss's dirty work and he's a bit annoyed
that he can't move up and get a better job.

(56:46):
And he meets an FBI agent who has just graduated.
She's the first black female FBI agent and she really
needs to prove herself, and she persuades Jim to act
as an informant against his boss, and so they become
this unlikely double act. They've both got their own access
to grind and they are going to team up and
take down the crime boss. And it's just a lot

(57:07):
of fun. It's very nostalgic for nineteen seventies. America. So
there's some great cars and car chases in this. The
costumes are fantastic, the soundtrack is great. It's a bit
of an action comedy as well. This is the kind
of show you don't need to think too hard about.
It's not trying to do anything clever or tricky. It's
just having a good time and you can just sit

(57:28):
back and enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Nice call, that's duster. It's on neon and on three.
Now tell us about homeward Bound three point oh Yeah.

Speaker 10 (57:36):
This is a new season of a really delightful and
funny New Zealand romantic comedy. Homebound three point zero is
created and written by Sam Wang, who also starts in
this alongside Michelle Aang. They play two thirty year old
strangers who are both living at home with their parents.
They're sick of their parents interfering in their lives, so
they decide to fake a romantic relationship with each other

(57:58):
and the hope that pretending to be in love will
stop their families from matchmaking and trying to set them
up with people. The catch comes, of course, good com
when they actually start to fall for each other and
their relationship becomes real, and that's when all the troubles begin.
It's a really charming series. Like any good rom com,
there are lots of misunderstandings and lots of wacky characters

(58:19):
and friends. I love the dynamics between the two families
and this it's about two Chinese New Zealand families, and
the script moves between English, Cantonese, and Mandarin, which is
wonderful to see on screen. But the writing is so
sharp and funny and relatable. Anyone with a family will
relate to the humor and this. I just love the show.
It's a real charming, funny series, and I'm so glad that.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
They got us.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
You're nice. Okay, that's Homeward Sorry, home Bound three point zero.
So that's on three now. Dust is on the on
Secrets We Keep As on Netflix. Hey Tara, I've just
been catching up on the later series of Black Mirror.
Have you seen that yet?

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (58:54):
I have.

Speaker 10 (58:55):
I'm a little bit scared of Black Mirror because it's
so realistic.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
It's such an amazing show. It is just like I know,
I kind of go on about these shows that get
incredible at the moment, but it's it. That's an amazing show.
But like I have the weirdest dreams afterwards, Like it
really does keep me up. I'm in the stage of
life with a three month old baby that I should
be like sleeping in every possible down moment, but of
course I find myself like lying there being like, oh, yeah,

(59:21):
are we going to reach a singularity point with AI
sometime soon? What could that mean? Like it's so clever. Gosh,
it's clever.

Speaker 8 (59:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Anyway, So, if you haven't seen Black Mirror, there are
now seven seasons of it. It's kind of like the
Twilight Zone, and that each individual kind of stands on
its own merits, so you don't need to go back
and watch other seasons. They're not recurring characters or anything
like that. But I will always recommend Black Mirror to
anyone who hasn't seen it. We'll put all of Tara's
recommendations for this week's secrets. We keep Duster and Homeward

(59:49):
home Bound three up on the news talks He'd be website.
Thank you very much for your feedback as well. Jack
Love the Naked Salmon, says Greg Lisa's Jack. The boys
are beautiful goodness, it's all about the play having them
in studio, jumping on a swing at a playground, just
there for a laugh. Yeah, it's really good. It's always
slightly chaotic when we've got four naked arm ones in

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Breakfast, Winston Peters as well.

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It's got a view on Jerry brown Lean's reaction to
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ZEDB twenty two to eleven on News Talks edb our
Textbit Paul stein House is here with a fascinating story
out of Los Angeles. It is only going to be
worse when it comes to traffic and trying to get
around the city come the Olympic Games. But Ala has
just announced an official ear taxi provider for the twenty
twenty eight game. Paul, what on Earth?

Speaker 21 (01:03:09):
This might be the closest we get to my Jetson's
fantasy of flying cars.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
It's a little you.

Speaker 21 (01:03:16):
Can't just go reheviy, you want to go okay. So
here's how it's going to work. They have a company
called Archer who is going through the process at the
moment to get their electric piloted ear taxis certified by
the FAA.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Okay, so these things are designed.

Speaker 21 (01:03:33):
To carry the pilot as well as up to four
passengers and their luggage, and they're going to have this
network they're calling it, which will be like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Site to site.

Speaker 21 (01:03:43):
So it kind of looks more like a plane because
it has a fixed wing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Yes, but it can land and take.

Speaker 21 (01:03:52):
Off vertically because it's propellers on the edge of its
fixed wing can tilt upwards or forwards, so it can
either put them upwards and go up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
It's got like twelve of them, six on each side or.

Speaker 21 (01:04:04):
Something, so it can either like go up vertically and
then just take off like a plane.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. So people might know those osprays.
Do you know the osprays? Yes, the ospray. Yeah, it's
kind of like a little version, like a commercial version
of an ospray, right.

Speaker 8 (01:04:18):
A TESLA version.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:04:21):
So yeah, So these things are going to basically lift
off from specific places around LA and then we'll be
able to fly and then land in other specific places
around LA. And so they're going to use this Apparently
it is the official air taxi provider for the twenty
eight games, and it's going to shuttle VPS athletes. I'm
assuming highly expensive spectator tickets two different places. And they

(01:04:45):
say that it will be able to turn a one
to our drive into a ten to twenty minute journey
and it is one hundred times quieter than a helicopter.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Okay, well, yeah, I don't want to get in it.
All of that sounds good, well it does, Yeah, it
sounds good in theory. So do we know how much
it's going to cost to find one of these? O?

Speaker 23 (01:05:04):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
We don't talk about yeah, ok, Los Angeles.

Speaker 21 (01:05:07):
Yeah, don't talk about silly details.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Like yeah, right, we're dreaming here.

Speaker 21 (01:05:11):
It's twenty twenty five. This is going to be twenty
twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I mean those out later. Yeah, yeah, I feel like
there could be some things that go wrong, but look, yeah,
we're remaining open minded at the stage. Look, and they
are cool looking gun of machines. So you know, hey,
TikTok apparently wants kids to sleep.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
Yeah, because it is.

Speaker 21 (01:05:32):
You go to bed, you pull out your phone, you
get stuck in the TikTok hole. Right, We've been there
at the time just disappears. So after ten pm, now
kids who are under eighteen are going to get a
reminder that they may have just been scrolling a touch
too long and that sleep is good, and they even
get promoted to do some guide of meditation. They've got
some relaxing music that's quite nice, So that's going to

(01:05:56):
be on by default for all users under eighteen. If
you're over eighteen and still find yourself stuck in TikTok
holes after ten pm and should be asleep, you too
can turn on the reminders you go into the sleep
hours in your screen time settings and hopefully you'll get
some zen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Can you turn it off if you're under eighteen?

Speaker 8 (01:06:15):
No? Yeah, I actually think you can.

Speaker 21 (01:06:17):
Right, So the release specifically said like toggled on by default,
but they said I remember actually reading now you mentioned that.
I do believe that. They said that the kids who
did it opted in and kept it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
They were okay with it, okay because they've tried it already.
Yeah right, yeah, they trialed it. So it kinds like
the the grand the rollout. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:06:38):
I added this relaxing music guided meditation, which is a
nice ad, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
I'm just not sure about getting a guided meditation from
an app like it sort of seems counterintuitive, but from
an app like techtok. But it's all about engagement anyway. Hey,
thanks Paul, I appreciated as always. Paul Stanhouse is our
texpert with us this morning. It's eighteen to eleven. Doctor
Bryan Betties here next, a little.

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Right now, it is sixteen minutes to eleven on News Talks,
EDB and measles numbers in New Zealand have been increasing
a little bit lately, but in the US things have
been a whole lot worse. Doctor Brian Betty is here
with us this morning.

Speaker 13 (01:07:21):
Calder Brian, Oh cure, Jack, Nice to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Yeah, So you know, you look at this case. I
think it was the last week right where someone was
trappling on a theory from Wayhiki and had measles and
then all of a sudden, you can, you know, do
the contact tracing thing, and there are potentially hundreds of people,
if not thousands if you leave it a little bit,
who have been exposed. But it is incredibly infectious. Right.

Speaker 13 (01:07:45):
Ah, look, and yeah, the side of things I think
we need to talk about because it's the basic fact
that that measles is one of the most contagious infectious
diseases nine to man now, which means that that someone
with mes was going into a public space spreads the
disease through the air and it's a terrific great So

(01:08:07):
there's something called a reproduction number, and for measles, that
one infectious person, if they walk into a room, can
spread it to up to twelve to eighteen people different people,
so incredibly infectious. So just in comparison, COVID had a
reproduction number of two to three. Influenza is one point three,
So measles sitting at twelve to eighteen is completely off

(01:08:29):
the scale, which is why we get so concerned about
someone with measles on a very in way. Heik, you're
walking into a supermarket. Now. The other thing about it,
which which is really important, that four days before the
symptoms come on, you're infectious, so you don't know you've
got it and infectious and that's that's probably what happened
in this case. And dang, way you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Go, it's like perfect, perfect stormy when you have something
incredibly infexious and you don't know you have it because
it takes your infectious before all of the symptoms start
to rear the ugly heads. I think people will remember
the you know, the our value from the good old
COVID days, right, and when we're trying to get the
island you under one, Yes, that's right, but I mean

(01:09:10):
this is yeah, twelve to eighteen is just as crazy.
So why is it such something a particular concern in
New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (01:09:17):
Well, look, I mean, you know, you know, it is
true that for the majority of children or cases for measles,
it'll be a relatively mild mild to severe disease. Most
will get better of better product. However, people consider a
lot of people consider it a benign disease. But it's
not benign. This is the thing about it. So if
we go back to twenty nineteen when there was the

(01:09:39):
last big outbreak, you know, seven hundred children under the
age of five ended up in hospital in New Zealand, Okay,
one hundred of them under the age of one, where
they had no protection whatsoever, and eighty died in Samoa.
We were very, very lucky not to have deaths in
New Zealand because there can be serious complications. So that

(01:09:59):
includes dehydration, pneumonia and actually brain swelling. So this is
a real, real worry with measles, and that's why we
get so concerned. It's infectious and you can get these
serious events. But in New Zealand we have this low
immunization rate. It's been a problem since COVID. We're sitting
down around eighty percent. Maori children are sitting around sixty
nine percent, so a large number of our Tamaiki are

(01:10:23):
not protected against measles.

Speaker 15 (01:10:24):
At the moment.

Speaker 13 (01:10:26):
We need a rate of about ninety five percent to
have what we call herd immunity where we protect the
community against measles. We're a long way off. This type
of outbreak causes real concern.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
How do you actually recognize it?

Speaker 13 (01:10:39):
Yeah, look, I mean the symptoms usually occur about one
to week two weeks after exposure, and often what you
start to see is suddenly a high fever, running nose,
red watery eyes in particular, so this sort of conjunctivirus
type thing and a rash. Now, the rash is very typical.
It starts around the face or behind the ears and
then starts to spread down over the body and it's

(01:11:02):
red and very very distinctive in terms of what it does.
You may get also tiny white spots in the mouth.
We call those complex spots now, so that's how you
start to notice it. So if you suspect measles, the
big thing is don't go to your medical center, ring
up and get medical advice because you don't want waiting
room spread. It really really important. You don't want to

(01:11:25):
go to emergency department and spread it so important to
bring ahead and get advice on what to do. And
that's incredibly important, and they're not respect measles.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
If you do that, measles, there's no right of treatment
as us right, you just have to try and treat
the symptoms.

Speaker 13 (01:11:38):
Yeah, look, you've got to treat the symptoms. There is
no treatment, so you treat the symptoms. And again, as
I said, in the majority of cases, look rest fluids,
staying at home so you don't spread it. Paracetamol you know,
we'll do the job if it gets more severe in
terms of dehydration, not being able to drink, you've got
concerns about cough or what's going on or your child.

(01:12:01):
You do need to drink and get advice. That's what's
really really important. So stay in touch with me medical
help if you are concerned. But the only real way
of protecting against beetles, because we can't treat it, is immunivation,
so imminization their MEMR is actually really really critically important,
and especially if we've got an outbreak like this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Yeah, no, that's such good advice. I don't think it's
quite your MR yet. He's not at that stage. But
my son turns three months old today, so we have
on Monday the second round of jabs.

Speaker 24 (01:12:35):
This isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
So you've got to go along and you know, like
as mum feeds him as he gets his jabs.

Speaker 13 (01:12:42):
But yeah, yeah, poor little thing, but I mean looks
so so important. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it's a tough I obviously you know we don't
need to do it, of course, you know, we we
want to keep him as safe as possible. But yeah,
still it's not an occasion that I'm looking forward to this. Yeah. Hey,
thank you so much, Brian. We really appreciate it and
such an important message aroundom menization. So you take care
and we will catch again very soon right now, it's

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Hey Rude, thank good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Have you got any troubles with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Wash I do have troubles with wasp. I'm glad that
we're talking about this. I know we've we've mentioned wasps before,
but we've had I've had a few bit of trouble
with wasps at our place. And there's actually a little
nest on my roof because we've got kind of like
we've got a skylight and there's some sort of flashing
around the skylight, and I think that the wasps have
formed a little nest in.

Speaker 8 (01:13:47):
There is Can you see that nest.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Well. I haven't stuck my head right down at because
the times that I've been up on the roof recently,
it's been in the middle of the day when it's
been quite hot and so the wasp been quite active.
I didn't think that was the time to be putting
my arm down in between the flashing or anything like that.
But yeah, it is. I I mean I think people
everywhere have them. At the moment, my mom and dad's

(01:14:10):
place get heaves a wasp nest.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes if it's small nests, you know, with
the with an underside, with all those if you like
those little cells, then it's usually a paper wasp species,
you know, one of the things that based literally upside
down nests.

Speaker 13 (01:14:28):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
And and these guys and those guys actually have finished
basically already. What you see of paper wasp nests at
the moment is a whole lot of these boys and
girls literally having a leck display, which is a lovely
term for the boys are sitting there trying to get
a girlfriend before the winter so that at least, you know,

(01:14:49):
then their sperm goes into the next generation if you like.

Speaker 8 (01:14:53):
Yeah, right, and that is that is actually.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Quite cool to watch, because these wasps are not interested
in you. They're only interested in having having a girlfriend coming.
So they are the ones that quite often make these
little little nests on top of your roofs, are on
the inside or whatever.

Speaker 13 (01:15:10):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
But the big, the big buggers ei the German wasps
or the common wasps, and they have a totally they
have a slightly different technique at the moment, they make
reasonably sizeable nests. We're talking football size, two footballs, three footballs,
that sort of subside. And if they have already survived

(01:15:36):
one summer and one winter, they can use that same
nest or stay that nest, and that nest could be
two meters tall.

Speaker 8 (01:15:43):
Yeah, wow, unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, no problem, and with millions of cells.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Yeah that is that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Yeah, that would be a nest that actually literally survives
one winter, sometimes even two winters. It becomes huge.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Right, yeah, now, this is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
This is what we see right now. The queens are active,
ferently looking. They're basically finding a place to hibernate. And
if they've lost their nest, that's okay. They're all on
their own and you can start again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Right, so now the time to get rid of them, though.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Yes, you could do if you like, if you if
you find queens and things like that, what they will
do is they are trying to look for a place
to hibernate. For instance, in my particular case, it's very simple.
They often in the firewood that I've got stacked, you
know what I mean, nice nooks and traines, little holes
and things like that. And when you pick up some

(01:16:42):
firewood to go and make your house form, and you
pick the firewood without looking, you sometimes can get done
by these wonderful stings that it's quite nicely by the way. Yeah,
so you've got to be watching, watching for things like that.
They love sitting there and that's basically what they're going

(01:17:02):
to do now, and they sit there in your firewood
or in nooks and cranies. You're a little hot until
this coming spring and that's when it all starts again
with baker Ma. They make brand new cells and it
looks gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Is it looks gorgeous until you've got the throwing wealth
on your arm as a result. Hey, thank you, ruy. Yeah,
I do. I need to get onto it on the
text check stopping a whisk get onto it? Yeah, all right,
I will. It was honestly really hot. I didn't want
to be stung on top of the roof. That felt
like a risk peaker disaster. Okay. After eleven o'clock, we're
talking sustainability with our sustainability expert, who is about to

(01:17:38):
have a baby. So the question on everyone's lips, what
is she going to do for nappies. It's almost eleven o'clock.

Speaker 24 (01:17:44):
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V more you Jack tam on news Talk z'd be.

(01:18:21):
I read this crazy passage this week from this new
book that has been written about Joe Biden's presidency and
the efforts from Joe Biden and his inner circle to
hide his incredibly diminished state in the lead up to
the election. I sort of I was reflecting on how

(01:18:42):
I kind of felt about his you know, his his
state as president during the last presidential term. I remember
at the start, I thought, oh, well, you know, he's here,
he's won the election, he's beaten Donald Trump if he
really wants to run for a second election, and you know,
he's proven that he can beat Trump. Then power term.
But it obviously became pretty obvious, you know, in the

(01:19:03):
in the midst of that term, that he was not
quite as sprightly as he might once have been. But honestly,
the extent to which he had diminished, yeah, I think,
you know, is a scandal that has not yet been
properly accounted for in the US. And so just to
give you a bit of a flavor from the book

(01:19:24):
I was reading this week. Basically, in the months before
the election last year, George Clooney and some other prominent
Hollywood Democrats got asked to organize a big fundraiser. And
I mean Clooney has a reputation as being Hollywood's kind
of top fundraiser. The guy, as well as being an
Oscar winner and one of the most famous faces in

(01:19:44):
the world, is able to turn it on, organize an
event and potentially raise hundreds of millions of dollars. So
clue was based in Italy, he was filming over there,
but he said, yep, I'll make my way to Los
Angeles and host an event for Joe Biden, an old friend.
I'll do it for one night, and before the event
has even finished, I'll rush back off to my jet

(01:20:05):
and fly out to my film set. Right. So he
was there for one night only. Anyway, he set it up.
Julia Roberts was there, all of these big wigs from Hollywood,
and at that point George Clooney hadn't seen Joe Biden
in eighteen months to two years. Anyway, he was waiting
at this event, this whole big flash event, waiting for
the President to turn up, when all of a sudden,
Biden turned up, and Clooney said he was like astonished

(01:20:29):
once Biden walked into the room, basically because Biden was
barely walking, he was doing that shuffle thing. But even
though Clooney hadn't seen him in a couple of years,
he reckoned that Joe Biden looked like he had age
like five or ten times amount that amount, you know,
five or ten times that amount, like a decade or so. Anyway,
Biden comes over and he's meeting the VIPs at this event,

(01:20:52):
and he's kind of going along the line and saying
thank you for being here, thank you for being here,
thank for being here, and shaking his hands. He gets
to George Clooney. George Clooney who has organized the event,
George Clooney, who has flown across across the world for
a couple of hours in order to host the event.
George Clooney, who has a reputation for raising hundreds of

(01:21:13):
millions of dollars. George Clooney, who is an Oscar winner,
who is one of the most recognizable faces on Earth,
if not the most recognizable face in Hollywood. He gets
to George Clooney and goes, thank you for being here.
One of his aides steps in and goes, uh, mister President,
you know George, and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, great

(01:21:34):
to see you, Great to see you, and keeps working.
Walking along the line. It becomes immediately clear to George
Clooney and to all of the people around that Joe
Biden has not recognized George Clooney at this fundraiser. I mean,
it is just preposterous, isn't it just utterly preposterous in
the months before in an election that he and his

(01:21:55):
aides honestly thought that a he could run and win
and b that he would be up to a second
term in that office given his state. I mean, it
truly is a scan of astronomical proportions. And who can
blame American voters for being cynical and for not trusting
powerful institutions and that party, And who can blame them

(01:22:17):
for being seduced by Donald Trump, who you know isn't
afraid of coming out and saying here's the truth. Yep,
Katar is offering me a four hundred million dollar plane.
I'm happy to take it. They don't feel like they're
they're they're being misled, right, It's entirely understandable kind of phenomenon. Anyway,
I'm going to put a link to that little piece
that describes this fundraiser up on our Facebook page. If

(01:22:38):
you want to see, you can go to Jacktame dot
com or just search Jacktame on Facebook and you'll be
able to hear that story from George Clooney as well.
It really is remarkable, honestly Shakespearean, but for someone like
Joe Biden with his career to end it the way
he did. Anyway, before midday on News TALKB, we're going
to listen to a new album by Kiwi country artist
Jenny Mitchell. She's got an amazing voice. Rolling Stone is

(01:23:01):
a big fan, so we're going to play you some
of her new music as well as that. We're keeping
things in the Deep South and he's from Gore, and
we're just going to be going a little bit west
of there over to Heart and some of the delights
along that kind of southern West Coast road, a bit
of a road trip through there where our travel correspondent
very shortly right now though it is twelve minutes past

(01:23:21):
eleven in time to catch up with our sustainability commentator
Kate Hall more dinner. It's so good to be chatting
with you. You and I have a little bit in common
at the moment in that we are both expanding our families.
I am a couple of months ahear of you. I
somehow don't feel like I have quite as difficult a

(01:23:42):
job as you do in this department. But this morning
you are tackling a bit of a thorny issue for
lots of parents to be, which is how to be
more sustainable when it comes to baby stuff, And my goodness,
this is a Pandora's box.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
It is.

Speaker 25 (01:24:00):
It is honestly like, I've always been so excited for
this season, knowing that I always want to be a mum,
and you know, as ethically capes that will be uh,
you know, I'll carry my values over into parenthoods. But yeah,
I am learning so much every day. My burn brain
is full. But I'm actually really excited to try all
these things, you know, because I've always had an imperfect

(01:24:22):
sustainability and a value set as a belief that you
can't get it all right. But I'm just I'm intrigued
to try these things and to know reflects back and
knowing me as a without a child right now, I
have all these ideas, but to see if they actually
work well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
So, as someone who has to be pretty online for
their job, who's always on social media and stuff, have
you found that your social media has just been completely
overtaken with advertising for baby stuff?

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
Yes?

Speaker 25 (01:24:50):
Yeah, it is everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
It's unbelievable. It just changes overnight, all of it. But
like all of my aunt, everything was like get this
for your baby, and this and this and this. Really
do I need this stuff?

Speaker 25 (01:25:01):
I know, and it's so good at marketing. They're so
good at because you want the best for your child,
right so you're like, well, of course I want the
best thing for my dady. So so yeah, they're so
clever and so sneaky that I'm also grateful. One of
the great things about being an online presence you have
this whole community of people who understand your values and
then they're able to actually kind of give you the

(01:25:23):
truth around what you need what you don't. But even then,
some parents are like, oh, I really swore by this
particular baby nail, you know, cutting cats, like it really
saved our lives, and then everyone in there says, oh that,
and a nimby is that, you know, my baby's nails off,
So everyone also has a different experience.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
So maybe, but maybe kind of just trying to work
out exactly what you do need and don't need is
a good place to start if you're trying to have
a sustainable approach totally.

Speaker 25 (01:25:50):
And also I found getting things sick in hand, So
even on that baby nail cats thing, sometimes people use it,
sometimes people don't. You know, It's really just so variable
depending on the baby and the situation. So you know,
I found one that was five dollars sick in hand,
and if so don't end up using it. It's kind
of you know, I haven't invested in the big piece

(01:26:11):
of equipment. Most I'd say probably ninety five percent of
the items we have ready for this baby second hand
have been passed down from friends and family. Mainly a
few we've you know, brought from second hand shops or
trade me, Facebook marketplace. But there's just an abundance of
baby stuff, as you will know that it exists, and

(01:26:32):
if we just keep circulating circulating it around, you know,
newborns aren'ts. I think when they get to kind of
walking age, they're thrashing their stuff a little bit more.
But especially for newborns, all that stuff can look like
it's perfectly brand new.

Speaker 13 (01:26:47):
It's being used a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Sodare I ask, what are you doing for nappiece?

Speaker 25 (01:26:51):
Yes? This is honestly, this is strangely the thing I'm
most excited about, because have you heard of elimination communication?

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
No, when you cut someone out of your life, what.

Speaker 25 (01:27:04):
It sounds like it No, it's when you like, you're
communicating around elimination, elimination being person wee. So in other countries,
I know this is going to sound real whack, but
bear with me. In other countries it is completely normal.
And you know you can't actually buy neppies in large
bundles because elimination communication is what they need, what they

(01:27:27):
what they use. So it's basically it's a theory I've
been researching for years. So I'm excited to finally have
a little child to see if it works on. But
you're communicating with a child from day one, you know,
usually the child has cues around if it needs to
be fed, if it needs to sleep. Babies always you'll

(01:27:48):
know this from your you know, a few months old.
You can tell when they need different things, and it's
about recognizing those cues around when they need to go
toilets and acknowledging those cues and giving them a chance
to go on a potty, hold them over the toilets,
go on a sink rather than so.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
And you told you're going to do this when they're
brain new, when your baby's like step free shadowing my plan.

Speaker 14 (01:28:12):
Yeah, it's my plan.

Speaker 25 (01:28:13):
Yeah, And obviously we go in with a plan and
very prepared to change it. But you know a lot
of people say, oh, you know, you must have so
much time to be able to do that, But most people,
and I've seen this, I've literally seen that up close
with friends in New Zealand to practice it. They have
a kid who you know ends up being fourteen months
old and they're potty trained, so it's a two way communication.

(01:28:34):
You also make qu queuing sounds when you're you know,
I will be using reasonal nappies, but I will be
giving them an opportunity to go on the potty and
to go somewhere else, because no human, if they're a
day old or forty years old, wants to follow themselves,
you know that South instance. So yeah, it's friends. So

(01:28:54):
it means hopefully I'm watching less three arsual nappies, but
I'm using that combination of the two. But taught to
me in a few months.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Yeah, no good. I mean, look, you got to do
what works for you. I mean, I yeah, I mean
we'll talk in a few months and see how Honestly,
I really hope that you can do this. I I
if anyone's going to be able to pull it off,
it's you. I reckon, Yeah, stranger when I think about it,
it's actually not the number two's. I mean I reckon

(01:29:23):
that there might be cue. I mean there are cues,
of course, but there are cues like some of the time,
you know, for for number twos and stuff, But the
number ones there are very few cues in my experience,
And so I just wonder if that might actually prove
to be a trickier thing.

Speaker 25 (01:29:38):
Totally. I think that's not one hundred percent thing either.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Yeah, you were to.

Speaker 25 (01:29:43):
Catch you know fifty more. Yeah, yeah, you know, like
I have a friend with an eight week old and
she was only changing one week, Like how cool?

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Wow, Yeah, that's amazing, that's incredible. Yeah, Okay, what's different,
different story in our house at the moment. What about
all the hand me downs and stuff, because you know,
obviously that's a big part of having a kid, and
you know, if you've got friends of children as well,
they often say, oh, he's heaps of stuff. You know,
how do you handle that?

Speaker 25 (01:30:11):
Yeah, I have I think instilling the values up front.
And this is obviously the privilege I have of time
and kind of pre pregnancy, letting kind of everyone know
what our values are. So it has meant that when
it comes to goos and things for the baby, people
already kind of cleared up and clear on what type

(01:30:32):
of things we may want. So if people do have
that privilege of time and instilling those values beforehand, that
is really really helpful because then it doesn't mean when
you're pregnant you have a baby, people then just you know,
throw all sorts of stuff at you. You're kind of
you've already established who you are and your clear values
to your friends and family. So yeah, that's key if

(01:30:55):
you do have that privilege of kind of time and forethought.
But I think being really clear. I've found saying no
to people, you know, just that right, saying no we
don't need a gift as actually can be quite rude
because you're you're blocking their kind of channel of showing
that they love you and they want to support you
and this child, and and that's yeah, I think that's

(01:31:17):
the road to to completely lock that. And also they're
probably just going to get something anyway, So directing them
to the right places. So directing them to cubs is
really great online, so you can have a marketplace for
kids stuff, you know, directing them to maybe a particular
items that you need and telling them, you know, why
you need it and what kind of specifications, just not

(01:31:38):
saying a blanket no, because yeah, that doesn't that doesn't really.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Work out of course.

Speaker 25 (01:31:45):
Yeah, and also just knowing like, honestly, we've not been
given any stuff that we don't need or that I'm
you know, don't suit our values, which I'm so grateful
for that people have really respected that. But I have
had to say no to you know, different things we'my
already have you know, multiple of that we don't need.

(01:32:05):
And just even second hand, you don't want to be
just overwhelmed in the whole lot of stuff in the house. Yeah, you're, yeah,
trying to look after a new little person.

Speaker 6 (01:32:15):
So yeah, good.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Luck, Kate. Really, I just I really hope you enjoy
things as much as as possible. And it's just such
an amazing little period. I'm going to be thinking of
you and obviously wishing you all the best for this
side of things, but you know, just more generally, good luck.

Speaker 25 (01:32:31):
Thank you, thanks.

Speaker 13 (01:32:32):
I'll probably need it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
You're going to be great, You're going to be amazing. Yeah, yeah,
all right. We look forward to catching up really soon
Kate Hall. You can find her on the seat on
the social media platforms, of course, by searching ethically Kate.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Travel with Windy wo Tours, where the World is Yours
for now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Twenty four pasts and living on New salkb Okay, We've
got plenty of thoughts on Kate's plans. Don't worry about today.
I'm going to get some of that feedback in a couples.
Plenty of support for Kate as well. She certainly taking
a braver stance than we are in our place, so
I can en her for that. Right now, though, it
is time to catch up with our travel correspondent Mike Yardley,
who is going wild in Harst this morning. Cawder Mike

(01:33:14):
good morning, Jack. I tell you what, this part of
the country has to be one of the most beautiful,
So I'm so glad you've got your top tips for us.
If you're heading heading up from Wanica, there are sort
of myriad roadside delights, aren't there on the Harst Pass Highway?

Speaker 8 (01:33:32):
Totally? Jack, You're just spoilt for choice.

Speaker 26 (01:33:34):
So the Old Pine passes only one hundred and forty
kilometers in length, But what I love about it first
of all, is it still exudes final frontier fields. You know,
you just feel like you've entered another realm of New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (01:33:48):
Is you thread you away like a.

Speaker 26 (01:33:50):
Needle through south Westland's primeval forests and all those canyon
like cliff walls. I just love those. But yes, you've
got all sorts of roadside bushwalks that you can take
your pick and choose from. All of them generally lead
to waterfalls, So whether you wanted to check out Roaring
Billy or Thundercreek or Fantail Falls, you're in luck with

(01:34:11):
vertical aqua magic. But the biggest straw I think in
this part of the country has been the blue poles.
And if you were down this way over summer. You
were probably disappointed because access has been limited due to
a lot of reconstruction they've been doing to the boardwalks
and the swing bridges at Blue Poles. The good news
is if you want to do a late autumn early

(01:34:32):
winter roadie around Hearst, it's all good to go. So
it will be fully accessible in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Nice. And so if you're just heading north of Hearst,
there's like a beautiful kind of west coast lookout at
Knight's Point.

Speaker 8 (01:34:46):
Day that's right.

Speaker 26 (01:34:48):
Yes, you've got, first of all, some fabulous walks at Ship.

Speaker 8 (01:34:52):
Creek just south of Knights Point.

Speaker 26 (01:34:55):
And what I love about Ship's Creek jacket Ship got
these vast stands of Hicetia trees that are seemingly interlocked.
It's like that gripping onto each other to provide extras
to in that dense coastal swamp. And then when you've
finished checking that out heads the view of views at
Knight's Points with all of those wavelashed ross rock stacks.

(01:35:17):
I only just noticed this recently, but there's a memorial
at that lookout commemorating the completion of the Hasst Highway.
So this is where Westland was finally linked with Otiger.
And if you're wondering about the name Knight's Point, cool story.
The chief Surveyor's dog was called Knight, so a canine

(01:35:38):
landed the naming rights.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
I like that. So if you're hitting a little bit
further south in on the road to Jackson Bay, tell
us about the wire Tautal River Safari.

Speaker 26 (01:35:49):
This blew me away, jack So this is backcountry jet
boating at its very best, zipping you deep into the
guts of Heart's alpine wilderness. So the right up the
wire Tautal River is not a thrills and spills ride.
You won't be getting the three sixties. Instead, you've just
got nature, the primal pool of nature. And you'll even

(01:36:10):
see the alpine fault gouging its imprint on the landscapes.
We stopped by this thriving Kiwi sentry on the edge
of the river which is now home to four hundred
brown Kiwi, and being a glacial river, of course, it's
got that trademark milky blue hue thanks to the vaulta
glacier at the top of the river. And then you've

(01:36:33):
got these truck sized boulders that just tumble down from
the Alps along the river side. And when you get
closer to the Tasaman Sea, and we went all the
way down to the sea, you just suddenly notice how
the water goes from milky blue to brackish brown.

Speaker 8 (01:36:48):
It's just got all the elements.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Yeah, it sounds amazing. So how far into the back
country do you actually go.

Speaker 8 (01:36:55):
Recollection?

Speaker 26 (01:36:55):
I think the full traverse was about thirty k so
it would take you days and days of hiking and
very formidable terrain to penetrate these parts. Went up as
far as sharks tooth Rapids right upstream.

Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
I love that name.

Speaker 26 (01:37:13):
It's sort of a Disney sort of name is and
it sharks tooth rapids. But from there you can sort
of venture into the forest and check out all the
potter carps.

Speaker 8 (01:37:22):
The orchids, the moss.

Speaker 26 (01:37:23):
Of course, it really is nature at its unmolested, unbowed best.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Yeah, so what is if you're on the coast, what's
so distinctive about Jackson Bay.

Speaker 26 (01:37:34):
Yeah, it's very close to Wyatautal River, so about another
twenty minutes down that road. The end of the road,
you really do feel like you've reached journey's end.

Speaker 8 (01:37:43):
At this back of beyond fishing village.

Speaker 26 (01:37:46):
The wharf is probably the great statement of Jackson Bay
because it's nearly ninety years old and it just so
strikingly stretches out deep into the sea, and this is
the only sheltered harbor between Graymouth and Milford Sound. But
like a lot of spots in southwest New Zealand, to
jack Jackson Bay was subject to one of those ridiculous

(01:38:10):
settlement plans in the nineteenth century. So we had hundreds
of Poles and Irish and Italians and Scandies and Germans,
all lured to Jackson Bay by some half assed government
scheme to tame the wild, and within three years, because
of the lack of fertile flat land, the isolation, the
rain and the sandflies, most of them had fled.

Speaker 8 (01:38:33):
They just couldn't handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Yeah, oh gosh, it is just like an amazing part
of the country and kind of like the end of
the line, right Jackson Bay when you're you're heading down
that weast coast. So what's on the menu at the craypot?
Aside from the obvious.

Speaker 26 (01:38:47):
Yes, indeed, Well, Jackson Bay is still a thriving fishing
port and catch of the day man alive. They have
got their own definition to catch of the day. The Americans,
of course go gaga over the larbster, the crayfish. There's
always white bait, of course, but I don't think you
can get past that. JOI again took blue cod that

(01:39:08):
is served on plates and Jackson Bay. It is just
astronomically sized, by the way, the crapepod. Such a fascinating backstory.
So this caravan Stylesy actually began life as Timaru's pie card.
Then it moved to Cromwell in the eighties to feed
the Clyde Dan workers, and about twenty five years ago
a Haarst local bought it toad it over Halst to

(01:39:30):
pass on a tractor.

Speaker 8 (01:39:33):
Jackson Bay icon was born.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
So it is.

Speaker 26 (01:39:36):
Definitely a Kiwi classic to add to what is a
real banger of a road trip in the heart region.

Speaker 8 (01:39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Look, it's one of those parts of the country you
only go there if you're going there, right, But my goodness,
it's worth it. It's not on the way too anywhere,
you know. I mean, it's very much the line on
that Wesk coast. Yeah, but my god, just yeah, it is.
It is just stunning. I remember going on to the
family road trips down there and driving along that west
coast just north of Jackson's Bay, and like you can

(01:40:02):
kind of just stop anywhere. And I remember one time
like we didn't I feel like this might be saying
too much here, but I feel like we didn't have
our togs and it was like, oh, well, I'm not
going to go swimming in the ocean if I don't
have any talks. And it was like, well, hang on,
we could actually skinnied it because no one is going
to be seeing us like this. It's untouched world country
down there, you know. Thank you so much. Mike really

(01:40:25):
appreciate it. And we'll make sure all negatives are on
the news talks Z'DB website.

Speaker 8 (01:40:30):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
I just realized that says weird. Don't worry. We didn't, well,
at least started to put it this way. I don't
remember the whole family skinny thing. That would have been
a weird It would have been a weird thing. I
supposed to point was that we could have if we've
been into that kind of thing. Hey, thank you for
your feedback regarding toilet training babies. Jack My auntie did

(01:40:52):
it back in the seventies, hardly any messy nappies is Sally, Yes,
Jack fantastic here and Kate a woman who's sensible. Back
in the olden days, we all had our kids potty
trained well before too. Jack. I put the three kids
on the potty at each feed after we came home
from hospital, and believe me, it works. That was more
than fifty years ago, says Jenny. Thank you ninety two
ninety two. If you want to send us a message

(01:41:12):
right now, it is twenty seven to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on news talksb.

Speaker 27 (01:41:28):
Jess beanted from this.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
It is Rihanna. How about that? This is the first Rihanna,
first new music from re Rea since twenty sixteen. That's
crazy as crazy. Jason Pine has taken aback and he
is a keen Rihanna fan, so you think that he
would know of anyone. But get this, pony. This is
the song school Friend of Mine. It's been released for

(01:41:59):
the Smurfs movie. So the special occasion, I suppose, well occasion,
something's got to get her out of nine years of
an activity. Well I don't know, I mean inactivity might
be a bit rich in activity on the music front.
She does have her some business. Empire's less more than
a billion dollars now, I think or something doesn't do
so yes, I don't think she's too you just sitting
on her hands, But anyway, love a bit of rebad.

(01:42:20):
Massive day, massive day for football fans in New Zealand
the first League of the away in home or home
and away semi finals of the A League Aukland FC
in Melbourne tonight. What do you expect that?

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:42:32):
I really don't know. That's the odd thing is that
such an unusual situation and that normally a game of
football you go out there, you're playing ninety minutes and
there's a win, a loss or a draw at the
end of it. At ninety minutes tonight we're only at
half time effectively in the semi final, with it being
as you say, home and away. So how will Auckland
FC approach it? Is the thing that I'm most curious about.
I don't know whether it's in their DNA to go

(01:42:53):
over there and just play conservatively and try and get
back with a drawer. I think if you said to them, hey,
you know this is totally hypothetical. Your draw tonight. Would
you take that? They would say probably yes, But I
don't know that they'll gone with there, go there and
play for the drawer.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
No, no, No, that would be a mistake, wouldn't it. Yeah,
I mean so a couple one thing maybe makes me
a little bit nervous. I don't love having a week
off and then playing their away league. I mean it
makes sense in the grand context of the season, right,
if you're going to choose whether to play away or
home first. Yeah, maybe playing away first and then finishing
things at home is a good way to do things.

(01:43:29):
But I don't, you know, it just feels like, uh,
you know, I get it.

Speaker 28 (01:43:33):
Yeah, And once they get back home next Saturday, it
would have been a month since they were there because
they played Perth and they came where they lifted the
Premiers Play, then they were away at Western United. It's
just say, week off, last week away tonight. So by
the time they get back to go Media Stadium next Saturday,
it's going to go off like a bit of a
powder keg.

Speaker 5 (01:43:48):
Look.

Speaker 28 (01:43:49):
I've been talking a lot this week about what would
be what would be an unassailable lead. For example, like
last night in the other semi Melbourne City bit Western
United three nil. Yeah, they've got one foot in the final. Yeah,
so I think coming home one nil down is proper
probably Okay, any more than that and it gets just

(01:44:10):
a little bit difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
Yeah, Jesse Randall, that's my pick. I reckon, he's looked
really good. I want to see a little bit more
game time company seeim, he's like really good that the
minutes to goals ratio. He's quick too.

Speaker 8 (01:44:22):
Yep.

Speaker 28 (01:44:22):
He's got a lot about him and he's a bit
more of an unknown quantity, having not played as often
as the likes of Logan Rogers and Natim what I
know and others. So yeah, look, I think and we
know Max matter hasn't traveled. So there is a vacancy
in the starting eleven. Maybe it's a man Jesse Randall
who lights up Amy Park tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Maybe he's hoping what else you got for us this afternoon.

Speaker 28 (01:44:41):
I've got a couple of issues to dig into. One
is that of there was a new story during the
week about a nine year old boy who can't play
rugby with his mates because he's over the weight limit,
a barrier to children participating in sport. Look, we understand
the rationale for it, but hackn barriers like this and
others be removed. Going to draw into that, how much
should you pay to go and go to an all
blacks test match? And it's going to live sport now,

(01:45:04):
something which is beyond the reach of your average key
we family, because you look at prices for all blacks
test matches in particular, and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
It costs a lot of money, Jack to go and
watch your blacks. Yeah, it does. Yeah, So we'll draw
it down into that.

Speaker 28 (01:45:16):
We've got some golf on the show, Ryan Fox with
another good round over nineties within four shots of the
lead after two rounds of the PGA Championship, and a
bit of Auckland f C and other bits and pieces
as well, and the Hurricanes beat the Hindus last night.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
We've talked about it too much, Thank you, sir. Jason
Vine will be with us in about twenty five minutes
or so, right after the midday news with Weekend Sport.
Before then, we're going to play some new music from
Jenny Mitchell and next up, oh, we're going to tell
you about this new book called The Cia Book Club.
I know you should never judge books by their covers,
all their titles, But I am into this one.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
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Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
B eighteen to twelve on New stooksa'd be Katherine Rains
has our book picks this weekend. Hey Catherine, Morning Jack.
Let's begin with The CIA Book Club by Charlie English.

Speaker 29 (01:46:06):
So this is nonfiction and it takes place in the eighties,
and there's a CIA boss called George Maiden who believed
that the freedom of to read good literature was just
as important to the people's minds in the Soviet Empire
as any other form of freedom that they could have
or didn't have, as the case may be. And during
the nineteen eighties, the CIA was run by a guy

(01:46:28):
called Bill Casey who'd been appointed by Ronald Reagan in
eighty one, and it's under him that Maiden was able
to set his scheme essentially up to push books and
photocopies and printing presses into parts of the Soviet Empire.
And this book focuses on Poland and particularly the kind
of literature that they sent and about Western culture was

(01:46:49):
exactly what the Communists didn't want. And you know another
character also that features really predominantly and this is an
underground Polish publisher, a guy called Musau Chekhov who endured
beatings and force feeding and exile. And but George Maiden
was really almost the mastermind behind sending this this literature.
And the book's quite complex. There's lots of different people

(01:47:12):
and there's but the chapter's actually become separate parts of
the story and it actually helps you keep track of
who's who and who's doing what. And what becomes clear
is the extent of the Polish real gens attempts to
suppress this non state approved information. And not only were
books banned, but every typewriter had to be registered, access
to every photocopyer is restricted, and it even needed a

(01:47:35):
permit to buy paper in any quantity. And even if
you wanted to create a business card in Poland, you know,
or a rubber stamp or even a sheet of music,
it had to be approved by a sensor. So there's
all sorts of things going on. And in fact, one
man was even given an eight year sentence for simply
distributing a flyer, So you can imagine what would happen
if you were caught with an illicit printing press and

(01:47:55):
this book really demonstrates in an incredible way about how
the written word can be a weapon in that fight
for freedom, and how banning books in order to suppress
freedom of thought and speech is actually ultimately, ultimately was
doomed to fail. And it's you know, there's lots of
stories in here about smuggling and intrigue and survival, and
you know, it's a real reminder of those extraordinary events

(01:48:17):
Poland's struggle for freedom and you know, really interesting and
it wasn't something I had no idea that the CIA
Book Club as it's been turned here ever existed. And
it's fascinating just you know, and also about the culture
and the people and what was going on. So you know,
surrounded by that time, really interesting read.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Very good. Okay. I next up The Names by Florence Knapp.

Speaker 29 (01:48:37):
So this book begins in October nineteen eighty seven, and
this young woman, kra Aitken, and her nine year old
daughter Maya are going to a London government office to
register the name of their new little baby. Cora's husband
is a guy called Gordon, and he's a very well
liked physician, and he assumes that the boy will be
named Gordon as all of the men and his family are,

(01:48:58):
but Kra when she gets there, he hesitates. She prefers
that history will repeat itself and that her son will
become a mirror image of his father, and a man who,
like his own father, is incredibly controlling and has a
very toxic nature, and he hides this behind this mask
of prestige. And so she's trapped in this marriage, and
she realizes that this is kind of almost her one

(01:49:19):
chance to change the course of her son's life, and
she could choose a different name like Bears her zorter suggests,
or the name that she would like to give the baby,
which is Julian, and this single decision that she makes
at that point, the book splinters into three different futures,
so you follow the lives of Bear, Julian, or Gordon
told in seven year intervals across thirty five years, so

(01:49:41):
you get the stories of each of those characters.

Speaker 10 (01:49:44):
And what the question that.

Speaker 29 (01:49:45):
The author's asking is that can a name shape your
entire path? Does it make you brave or creative or
does it make you like your namesake? And can you
follow your passions and your relationships or even your future,
and asking about how much of our life is inevitable,
and how much we controlled and in that single moment
defining a person's life and shape in future. And it
was fascinating and it was interesting, and it was a

(01:50:05):
very powerful story retailing. And I loved the different you know,
like how the different characters and the different parts just
all on this split second decision take a completely different path.
It's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
You're wonderful, Okay, cool. That's the Names by Florence Knapp.
The CIA Book Club by Charlie English was Catherine's first pick,
and a couple of minutes on news talks, he'd be
new music from country artist Jenny Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
Know Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and vpure dot co
dot Nz for high quality supplements.

Speaker 8 (01:50:36):
Used Talks, it'd be.

Speaker 27 (01:50:37):
I am a teacher, patient kind watching and wonder as
you learn and fine hom and teacher and the teacher
is watching.

Speaker 15 (01:50:55):
Horrive, Soldier, margin, keep you stay from the lives, whispers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
And chee some such. This song is called Sister. It's
by Jenny Mitchell and it features the Mitchell Sisters. Her
new album is Forest House and Estelle Clifford has been
listening and is with us this morning.

Speaker 12 (01:51:21):
Hey how Hello, what a cool sound. Yeah, it's called
Sister and it is sung with her sisters, the Mitchell Twins,
who she also gets to go on tour and perform with.
And it's just that beautiful. I mean I've said it
many many times before, but the old sibling or family harmonies,
that their voice is just rock and we're just embracing

(01:51:44):
all things country because that's where we're at, a like,
the country music world is just skyrocketing off the planet
and curedos to that here in New Zealand because we've
alreadys had some incredible stars doing country music and Jenny
Mitchell is definitely one of those people who is leading
away beautiful song harmonizing, amazing natural pairing. It's just it's wonderful.

(01:52:07):
This is a really cool body of work for her.
I follow Jenny right from the beginning, and I think
in this album she's really honed her craft. She's honed
her storytelling, and again that's what country music is, right,
just wonderful lyrics, but not so many. I don't think
she does the country cliche things so much.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
I think she's quite.

Speaker 12 (01:52:27):
Clever with what she does, and I really like that
because at first you were taken away with the beautiful
maladies and the beautiful guitar strumming and there's banjo in there.
Just melodically it's so beautiful. But then you start singing
into those lyrics and they're clever and they're really great.
There's a great song on here actually called Daffodils, and
it's kind of about the passing of time and the

(01:52:49):
passage of time, and it's actually a duet she does
with her dad and he is sounding all Johnny Cash
on it, Like I was like, Wow, this guy's got
an incredible voice. One of the lines is it's hard
to live quicker than age. Oh yeah, And when you
know it's a song she's doing with her dad as well,
adds this whole other emotional level, and I think that's

(01:53:09):
something she is embraced so beautifully in this album. There's
a real raw, vulnerable, but emotional connection because Forest House,
she's embracing all the things that have made up her life,
very connected to her wrote. There is some real rural,
southern kind of picture painting, and some of the music
that you'll hear so just a really cool It starts

(01:53:31):
off quite chill and quite you know, like that sort
of chill kind of vibe. But we get into some
real upbeat tempost sort of stuff in some real country
twain just going to Nashville, you know, in some of
the songs as well. So it's not you know, I
think she's really played and enjoyed what she's doing in
this album, and you'll really hear it some fabulous just

(01:53:51):
real imagery I think with her lyrics, Yeah, really take
yourself to a place, which I think is great where
the water is cold. This is a song you're going
to play when we finish chatting gospel bluesy imagine like
a slow writhing dance crowd in a smoky basement bar.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
Like it's got this.

Speaker 12 (01:54:08):
They're kind of bluesy country thing about it. Sharp lyrics,
real cool vocal play, and lots of energy and moonshine.
There's plenty of mention of.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Moonshine, so.

Speaker 10 (01:54:21):
A few in there, but not it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:23):
Sounds amazing, I mean in voices, the voices incredible. Am
I right in thinking that you were in a video
back in the day?

Speaker 6 (01:54:28):
I was.

Speaker 12 (01:54:29):
She did that song with Tammy Nielsen, Trouble Finds a
Goal and invited a whole lot of museo friends and things,
and I turned up and they're like, we want you
all to sing and clap along and do this like
sort of in the round circle harmony thing, and we're going.

Speaker 25 (01:54:44):
To film it.

Speaker 12 (01:54:45):
It was just very empowering, and again, I think that's
kind of what country music does. That embraces people and
it brings you in and it's a family and you
feel empowered and it was a really cool night actually.
But I wasn't you know that thing where you're like,
am I supposed to be here amongst these wonderful musicians?
But I run as many shoulders as I could.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Of course. Okay, so what did you give it?

Speaker 12 (01:55:06):
It's ten out of ten?

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
Ah, how good? Ten out of ten okay for Foresta No, no, no,
I think I was. I think I was very good. Right,
I'm gonna keep moving so we can have a bit
more of a listener in a couple of minutes. Thank
you so much, as Stelle. Ten out of ten for
Forest House by Jenny Mitchell. Of course, you can hear
more of Jenny Mitchell on the new iHeart Country app
and channel on the iHeart Music app as well. Six

(01:55:28):
to twelve on Newsbalks HEADB a.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with Jack
Day and bpewer dot co dot inzead for high quality supplements,
News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
dB Right, Oh, we're getting kicked out so that Jason
Pyne can take us through the afternoon with Weekends Sport.
Thanks for tuning in this morning and for all your feedback.
Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby. You can go to
Newstalk's headb dot coder inzed for everything from our show.
I'm back next Saturday morning. Until then, we're gonna leave
you with Jenny Mitchell. Her new album is Forest House
ten out of ten of style recons.

Speaker 23 (01:55:59):
This is Where the Water Is Cold, Job told, Where
the Ars Came?

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Just what your talk?

Speaker 8 (01:56:21):
Jo?

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
Where come.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
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