Full Show Podcast: 18 January 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Welcome to Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame. I'm Franchesca Budkins,
sitting into Jack on his first show of the year.
It is a pleasure to be with you. The Brutalist
was the surprise winner of the Big Awards at the
Golden Globes. Recently, this three hour and thirty five minute
long film, Yes you heard me correctly, it's hitting cinemas
this Thursday. Chris Schultz joins me with his thought on

(01:06):
whether it's worth your time. Also on the show, Day
Andrew Saville profiles Team Cricket and Team Rugby and the
T twenty Blackclash taking place at tonight in christ Yet,
and what to do with all those amazing cordiettes that
you have grown this summer? Nicky Wicks has some quite
unusual ideas ice cream anyone, Francesca, You're right, summer means

(01:27):
different things to all of us. But if you love
a game of tennis. Then some are sure delivers and
sometimes it gives us more than just a hard fought match.
It can also server up a conversation starter as to
how we should behave as both players and the crowd.
The winder the rain made things challenging for the ASP
Classic organizers in Auckland. Regardless, it was a great tournament,

(01:50):
sold out crowds and some excellent tennis. I've only just
started to watch tennis live over the last few years
and it's become a summer must to do. It is
a great sport to watch live, especially at the Minuca
Doctor Stadium in Stanley Street, because it's such an intimate setting.
We're also well behaved here in New Zealand. It takes

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no prompts for the crowd to go quiet and it
can be quite a relief actually when a fan finally
gets the courage to yell some encouragement between points getting
hooked on. The ASB Classic is the perfect lead into
the Australian Open, and a few hours each evening have
drifted away while I've been watching the tally watching the
tennis on the telly this week, but with over ninety

(02:31):
thousand people heading into the arena, in Australia on some
days their behavior can be a little rowdier than here.
In New Zealand. A lot has been made of US
player Danielle Collins's behavior towards a hostile crowd a day
or so ago, but really all she did was meet
them halfway playing local favorite Destiny. Of the crowd was

(02:55):
very obviously behind the Ossie and this led to combative
scenes between the crowd and Collins. Collins made the comment
postmatched that she thought there were quite a lot of
souper drunk people who had a hard time controlling themselves,
but admitted she loved the energy regardless of which side
the crowd was on. During the match, Danielle used that

(03:16):
energy is motivation and wasn't afraid to bite back, blowing
sarcastic kisses and making a pretty brash speech at the
completion of her win, which was the equivalent of giving
the middle finger. Was it classy? Nope? Was it the
way you'd like your child to behave?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
But do you blame her No? It's not fair to
just criticize the player's behavior when she's only matching the crowds.
How much abuse would you put up with at work?
At the workplace. Sure, heckling is part of sport, but
it works best when delivered with humor or a light touch,
not nastiness. If you were doing all the work and

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others of firing abuse at you from the sideline, is
it really any different to the abhorrent behavior of our
online trolls. Good on her for being a self I'm
not taking any you know crap. Collins has made herself
the villain of the tournament, and I doubt she cares.
You wouldn't get this from a play a younger player
establishing themselves on the circuit. But maybe Collins, who's coming

(04:19):
to the end of her career, is doing them a
favor by challenging the crowd's behavior. It wouldn't happen here.
We're more passive and a little less exciting, But there's
nothing wrong with being respectful. I'd much prefer that's the
lesson we're passing on to younger generations.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
News talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So what kind of level of heckling and booing is
appropriate at sports games or doesn't? Actually depend on the sport.
So tennis is traditionally a sport in which we respectfully
let the players play in silence until the server is
being complete and probably a little bit like golf. I
don't see why a sports person should have to put
up with drunken hecklers. To be honest with you can

(04:59):
to hear your thoughts ninety two ninety two, and your
Saville is going to be with us this hour with
his thoughts on the Ossie Open. Kevin Milner is embracing
tick in twenty twenty five and he is with me next.
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Speaker 1 (05:16):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Francesca.
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Speaker 3 (05:28):
No better way to kick off the show than catching
up with Kevin Milne. Happy New Year, welcome back.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Thank you very much, Francisca. I was very interested to
hear what you said about Danielle Collinswers. I've got a
bit of a theory. The only thing is I'm not
sure how many more games she'll last there, but I
reckon that now she's not playing Australians, Doves is for
lava probably and I think she's probably got She's probably

(05:55):
got a game on today as she against the non
Australian Yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Actually I don't have the schedule on me. But I
just like the fact, Kevin, that she gave as good
as she got. She just didn't say I'm going to
stand here and take this. And I think you're right.
The eysies probably will will come to love it. I mean,
it's it's not great behavior and it's not a good log.
It's not behavior I candone, but I kind of also
feel like going good on your love.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
You know, absolutely, I think these are the leads of
the sort of spoiling people that is actually really lightly down.
You know, they've got their gatsy, and of course it
helps that she's pretty good looking. I reckon it may
be that she only gets one more game. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Quite possibly, quite possible.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah, but honestly, I think I think the ouses will
really turn around on on on her effort.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, I think you might be absolutely right. Now, look,
tell me you've got a new piece in the house.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah. I'm wondering how many of our listeners now own
a robotic vacuum cleaner flying sauces on your floor at
Brasco's Boxing Day sale, they Whu's from twelve hundred and
fifty dollars to two hundred and fifty dollars ninety percent off.
So we bought one, I imagine so did thousands of

(07:16):
others our model mops as well. First of all, you've
got to ask why would a store drop the price
of a relatively new product by eighty eighty ninety percent?
What do they know that we don't? Are we to
find out that these high tech vacuums are using their
Wi Fi which they have to send back darted in China?

(07:39):
About our homes and the people in them? How do
we find out nobody here can repair them? Or what
a replacement back to be costs four times what we
paid for the robot itself. We will find all that
out in time. Do you have a robotic vacuum, Francesca?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
No, but yours isn't just a vacuum, is it? It's
also a mop?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
That that's it's good.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That sounds awesome.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Linda got it going at home. First time of that
warning me, it was early morning. I'd just woken up.
I became aware of the distant sound of a quiet,
well tuned motor I assumed it was the clothes driver,
but the sound got closer and closer. I sat up,
couldn't see a thing. The robot. Having completed work in
the hallway, he'd come into our bedroom and headed straight

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under the bed, poking the head under there. It was
this shiny black disc from another planet, sucking up dusts
and straight lines like a harvester at work.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Creepy, but impress it.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Since then, we've been fascinated watching our first robot at work.
So does our new dog sid. He fires it around
very cautious, occasionally leaping out of the way. Actually, Francesca,
a robotic vacuum feels like another pet in the house.
Linda calls at Lonnie. She's given him a man's name.

(09:01):
I reckon to feed a long held fantasy that one
day she'd have a man in that house vacuuming and
doing the mopping up at the posture.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Of the button, Keven, have you got a lawn Yeah, no,
we haven't.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
Done the lawns robotic thing yet.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yes, we haven't got a.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Kind of I don't think we've got a good look
our lawns. Well, there's a bit of flat stuff, but
there's also some fairly steep stuff, so I think there
were a robot my head off down the hill and
never come back.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
So the key Christian heros does it do a really
good job? So far two hundred and fifty bucks, has
it been worth it?

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well?

Speaker 5 (09:43):
On a bloke references? I don't notice or anyway. So
Linda seems pretty happy with it. And it's extraordinary really.
The other night it actually came out of where we
keep it on its own without us doing anything instead

(10:05):
of mopping up. And I don't know or we don't
know quite why that was, except that we were recharging
it and maybe we just left it on and as
soon as you've got enough powd to operate, actually went
and started doing and went to work.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I just love the way you're You're the observer in
all this, Kevin. You know, like your wife got it going.
She's in control, it's doing all the work, and really
for you, it's just you and the dog. It's just
a little bit of entertainment.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
That it is very entertaining for two hundred and fifty backs.
I mean, it is extraordinary, isn't it That I should
go along to a sale and find something like a
robotic vacuum cleaner. I mean it's it's not rubbish, I
don't think. And it's dropped from twelve hundred and fifty
to two hundred and fifty. How did they do that?

Speaker 3 (10:54):
You're making money, Kevin, You're making money. Hey look lovely
to catch up with you. Thank you so much. The
Black Plass the Black Class Ty twenty it kicks off tonight.
Just so, how did the team stack up? Andrew Saville
is going to take us through that next. It is
twenty past.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
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Speaker 3 (11:19):
Thanks for your text, Christine Yes Collins is playing fellow
American Madison Keys today. Thank you for that. And also
had another text here going Francisca. We have a robo
vacuum cleaner, best appliance we've ever bought, Absolutely love it
does a great job. Somebody else wants to know, Kevin?
Do they empty themselves? Very good question? Somehow you know?

(11:40):
Somehow I doubt that, But thank you for your texts.
You mightst welcome to text anytime throughout the Show's Dale
ninety two ninety two. Join him in our talk sport
Andrew Saddle, good.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Morning, Francisca happy with you here too, good morning and
to you too.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Have you had your feet up on some of these
lovely summer evenings and enjoining the Australian Open, Yes, I have.

Speaker 6 (12:01):
It's a great time of year four obviously tennis fans,
isn't it. We'll see very much was the Open being
played at the moment. Although two names that stick out
to me or was stuck out to me and that
I wanted to see carry on death in the event.
One of them's gone. Naomi Osaka, who pulled out of
Auckland final in the end with injury. She's had to

(12:24):
withdraw from the tournament. She was looking good in her
first couple of matches. She's a big name.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
I think.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
I think the women's well both both men's and women's
games need need some big names and names that people
outside of tennis fans know. I think the sport is
struggling a little on that front at the moment. You know,
with Serena Ravenus Gonne and Roger Federer and Nadale gone,
you've pretty much got Djokovic that most sports fans will

(12:52):
know in tennis. But apart from that, the men's game
just lacking some star power on that front though. Carlos Alcarez.
I don't know whether you've seen him playing over the
last few days, but he's been on fire. He lost
a set last night, but I've generally been playing very
very well. He's a young man who I think to

(13:13):
take the tennis world on his shoulders into the future.
He has a real star quality about him and I'd
be very surprised if he doesn't. I think he's seeded
to meet Djokovic though in the quarter of semi that
would be the one that will be rather one he
could have showdown. So hopefully he can go deep into
the tournament because, as I say this, the sport needs

(13:36):
some big names because they've lost a lot of big
names recently, specially about the ass the Open, isn't it.
You know, it's a good time zone for us. Great facilities.
I don't know whether you've been there, but the facilities
are just out of this world. They've got three or
four covered stadium courts now right near the city, obviously
near the MCG. Just a superb couple of weeks for

(13:59):
not just tennis fans but sports fans, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I mean, they've got over ninety thousand people getting into
that arena on a daily basis. It's pretty impressive.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
It's staggerant. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing, and it's so
well done. You know, there's twenty thirty courts early on
in the tournament. If you get a ground pass, you
can go and watch reasonably well known players on court
twenty five, court thirty or whatever. It's just a handful
of spectators and get very close to some of these
stars at tennis. So it's extremely well it's extremely well done,

(14:29):
and we're pretty lucky to have it in our part
of the world.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, although a bit of controversy about the facial recognition tickets,
but actually all that does is speed you up getting
in the door, you know, which is such a bad idea. Yeah,
we should be probably thinking about here too. Hey, a
bit of cricket tonight with a bit of a twist
yet in christ Church.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
And then christ as we speak for the Black Clash tonight.
It's a little bit cloudy and coolish, but I think
the weather all hold nicely for the game this evening.
It's a great entertainment spec to call this Black Clash.
It alternates between the mouth and christ Church it has

(15:12):
over the last several years. Some big name rugby players
and big name cricket players are involved tonight, including I
can't wait to see Chris Gayle, West Indian Superstar. He's
actually the wild card player on the rugby team. If
he gets going at Hagley Oval, lookout. But it's great entertainment.

(15:33):
It's on TV one live tonight. It always attracts a
massive audience. Francesca, I think it's the mast watched sports
in the country every year, and I'd say it will
be again tonight. So great spectacle, great entertainment. There's also
that sale GP and Auckland, isn't there. I think wins

(15:56):
of about ten to fifteen knots, which is pretty much
perfect for those flying boats. I drove over the Harbor
Bridge the other day and saw the marks of these
boats and I thought, gee, it feels like the America's
Cup is back here. Not that it ever will be, probably,
but just gave that sense of occasion and hopefully there'll

(16:17):
be big crowds down the waterfront today. It will bring
a lot of money into the city. I'd say the
bars and cafes around the viaduct and when you caught.
It will be very happy to see this regatt of
being held over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
It's for sure, absolutely fantastic for yeah, and we've obviously
got Luke Comb's playing at Eden Parks. It's a lot happening,
which is fantastic for hospital and things and hotels. Interestingly,
I was talking to the guys this morning at work
and I was going I went to get tickets. I thought,
I'm going to go and check the salgp out. Well,
by the time I went to get a ticket, it
was going to cost me I think three hundred and
eighty dollars for two tickets, so I thought, you know what,
maybe not. Then I sort of said to someone, well,

(16:51):
I might head down to the waterfront and see if
I can see it. And they said it's not like
the America's Cup. It's in a very confined space, and
that the grandstand really is where you get the one
and only kind of view of it. It's not like
you can kind of gravitate to certain parts of Auckland
to be able to watch it, which I thought was interesting.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
You could probably get some sort of view from the
from bays Water across the harbor, but it's a very
confined racetrack if I can use that terminology. And these
boats fly super super fast, so it'll be exciting. But
it's pretty much right downtown, which is quite different from
America's Cup, which is say it was sailed out on
the Hodaki Gulf. This is right downtown, So no, I

(17:33):
think I think it'll create a lot of interest, that's
for sure.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Oh, look, you have a fun evening in christ Church.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
I will thank you.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Enjoy the cricket. Nice to catch up with you, Andrew.
Thanks for your time. Right, this is a good time
to go to the movies because the cinemas are filled
with Golden Globe winners and potential Oscar winning films. We
look at a couple of the big contenders. Next here
on Saturday mornings. It is nine thirty.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
Had last, This is Saturday mornings.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Good to have you with us. Thanks for the texts.
Just about to leave Melbourne after three nights using ground passes.
So many matches watched, very short cues to get into
courts and arenas, including ticket the keya the fifteen seventy
three arena. John came Big, caught three and being court
sided all the outer courts. Brilliant glad to hear you

(18:42):
had a good time, Juliet, thank you very much for
your text. It did look like a good time. And
the great thing was that actually the temperatures looked like
they dropped a little bit in Melbourne over the last
few days. It was about twenty one, which is better
than twenty eight when you're sitting out in the sunshine
watching a game of tennis, isn't it right? Joining me
now to talk entertainment is Chris Schultz.

Speaker 8 (19:01):
Good morning, Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
As I mentioned, we've got a bit of a theme
today with our entertainment segment talking about Golden Globe whin
it's really because this is such a great time to
go to the movies. There's so much on and so
many fabulous films, and we're going to start by talking
about a film called Flow, which is quite a unique
animation that one best animated feature at the Golden Globes.

(19:25):
Or we don't have a trainer. You know why we
don't have a trainer, right.

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Because there's no audio in it. There's no one it
says a single thing. That's what everyone needs to know
about this film. There's not a single word spoken. Yeah,
I found out about this film at because of its
golden globe when I had not heard a single thing
of it. I've heard about all the other kids films
that are on the movies these holidays Fussa, so like
The Hedgehog, Paddington Iree. I've managed to miss all of those.

(19:50):
I'm very happy about it. And then we went to
Flow and you know what, this is delightful. This is
just the perfect kind of kids film for me. You
get swept up in this adventure. It's about a little
black cat and they've got its eyes just right, like
looks like every kitten you've ever owned, you know, like
they've got this cat right. And it goes on this adventure.

(20:11):
It's in there's a bit of climate change involved in this.
The water is rising, it's trying to get to higher
ground constantly, and he this cat just just finds a
group of friends, which is what we all want in life, right,
and he goes on this adventure with his friends. There's
a lab, there's a cappy burrough, there's a bird, there's
a bunch of other dogs, and that's kind of the film.

(20:32):
But you just get kind of it's kind of mesmerizing.

Speaker 9 (20:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
Background chirps and squawks and it's kind of hypnotic. But yeah,
I don't know, it just kind of sweeps you up.
My son right as fourteen years old, he's currently watching
Black Mirror on Netflix. He's been watching this and he
loved it. So if you want a school holiday film, yeah, yeah,
just you can sort of. The animation isn't perfect, right,
This is not like a Pixar movie, and I think

(20:59):
this is maybe one why it took out the golden lobes.
You can sort of see the animator's fingerprints on it.
It's not perfect. You know, the dog looks a little janky.
It's kind of makes it it's more endearing because of that.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I think it looked like a beautiful fable. I've only
seen the trailer, but I'm definitely going to go and
check it out. But it looks like this fable. As
you say, this journey that you kind of get what
was that? You won't remember it, you're too young, but
there was a film that I'm sure that.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Was the.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Incredible journey? Was that? Was that a book or a
film about the same sort of thing, a journey that
these animals and animal goes on, and you kind of
get caught up in it, and there's all these little
messages about life along the way, and it sounds like
this one is very much about friendship and community, you know,
connection and things.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
I you know, what, do you remember Possing Boots?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (21:48):
Yeah, the Shrek spin off. I remember they got that
the eyes on that cat just right, Like you know
when it cats. You've got a kitten and it's about
to do something crazy and its eyes go jet black.
You know, you've got to get the eyes right in
these animations. And I think they've got this cat just right.
There's there's moments where it's playing and you can just
see its eyes kind of out, and it's like, oh, yeah,
they've nailed it. I don't know, there's something in those eyes.

(22:10):
I think that maybe that's.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
That's Eiger, And I think we'll see this probably. I
think Oscar nominations about in the next week. I be
very surprised if this didn't get a nod.

Speaker 8 (22:19):
Well, it's different, right, Like you know, you tell someone
there's no dialogue in a movie. Do you really want
to go and see that? Sounds pretty strange. I don't
know if you want to spend nineteen minutes with a
film that has nothing to say.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
So we should cover that off. How what age is
it appropriate for? Might not? Would it? Probably wouldn't? Would
it entrance a five year old? Or do you need
to be a little bit older? Do you think it's
just just so cute? Every kid is different, of course,
But well, like.

Speaker 8 (22:45):
I said, my son loved it and this is not
his kind of film. But my daughter is right on
to it. She's eleven. Yeah, I think, yeah, it's just
so cute. It's so heartwarming. You know, if you've got
a pet at home, you'd probably love it. I just think,
you know, it's not full of like mad cap high
jinks or slapstick comedy or you know that kind of
Paddington or Peter Rabbit humor.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
There's none of that.

Speaker 8 (23:06):
It's just you kind of want to know what happens
next because there's constantly constant little things happening all the
way through it. And yeah, it's just.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
It sounds bundle and the first time that Latvia has
won a Golden Globe because that's where the film is from.
Latvian Film. So there we go. Okay, we're going to
listen to the trailer for another film that Chris and
I spent two hundred and fifteen minutes, which is approximately
three and a half hours watching on Wednesday night this week.

(23:36):
Haven't listened to this? This is the Brutalist.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
These are yours?

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yes? Are them? Yes?

Speaker 5 (23:47):
Tell me?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Why is an accomplished foreign architect shovel and call here
in Philadelphia?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I love for that.

Speaker 9 (23:55):
It is also Sam part.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
This was an extraordinary feat of filmmaking and film watching
that was undertaken with this film. We should explain to people.
So it's about three hours thirty five minutes long. I
think it has an in built fifteen minute interval in it,
so it's a compulsory interval which takes place, which is

(24:21):
actually perfect. It's about the one forty minute mark, and
it's when you do just want to get up in
stretch your legs, maybe popped to the bathroom, grab something
else to eat.

Speaker 8 (24:29):
I am not take snacks. I desperately needed that fifteen minutes.
I went straight to that popcorn bar, loaded up on snacks.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
You were so funny. You got there and you had
no idea it was that long, and you were looking
at us all going did you know?

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Did you know?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
And I'm like, yeah, no, I've eaten. It's like you go.
So the first thing you need to know about this
film is go prepared. Go prepared for the fact that
this is an evening like you were getting bang for
your buck here. You were going to see an ambitious,
quite audacious, irrelatively small budget film done on an epic scale.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
Yeah, at that scale is just right. Like you go
through the full range of emotions, right, I felt anger, frustration,
and I felt a lot of empathy. It's occasionally humorous,
but you know, people did laugh a bit in our screening.
This is about a Jewish immigrant who flees the Holocaust

(25:19):
Nazi Germany, goes to America and he has to start again.
He's left his wife behind, his niece. He's trying to
bring him back over for the first half of the film,
and so he meets Guy Pierce, this rich guy who
finds out that he's a famous architect, and they embark
on what I can only describe as the worst episode
of grand designs ever. This rich guy wants to build

(25:42):
a building in honor of his late mum, and he
gets this guy to do it, and it could all
fall apart at any moment. There's so many things that
could go wrong. I don't want to spoil those details,
but I guess that's where the drama comes from in
this film. But I think what this film subtly is.
You remember Tar from a couple of years back with
Pate Blanchett underneath all that that was like a love

(26:05):
letter tonducting to opera. This kind of feels the same
way about architecture. It subtly just slides in there that
you know, like halfway through the film you realize there's
these long, lingering shots of like a chair or a
door or a bridge, and it makes you see the
world differently. This is a this is a film about
buildings and angles and concrete and lines and dimensions, and

(26:29):
you know, you see all the drawings this guy's doing
for the building, and yeah, I don't know. That's what
I've been left with. I'm looking at the world differently,
like after all of those emotions have subsided. When I
walk around the city, I'm looking at the world differently.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
It also explores how you go through something incredibly traumatic
and unimaginable and then try and put yourself back into
the world. And in a way, we have this architect
who is holding on to the fact that his buildings
survived in Europe.

Speaker 8 (27:01):
That's the way it helps them that way.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, and so they've survived, and he says, well, you know,
they try to exterminate me. You can't take away everything
I've contributed. And then we watch him try and rebuild
his life in a place where he doesn't feel like
he is welcome or that people understand what they've been through,
or that they have a sense of belonging. So you've

(27:23):
got this, you know, you've got this human character who
was very much a drift. Really, don't you.

Speaker 8 (27:29):
Well, let's say you're and Brodie's talent, right, Yeah, this
has been the best role I think I've ever seen
him in. I haven't seen him for a while. I
think it was Succession last time, where he's just playing
like a rich tech guy. This he goes all in
on this. It's just such a good role for him.
But also, like I leaned over to you, I think
and that information and said, like, is this based on
a real story? Because it feels like tar right, it

(27:50):
feels like this person existed, It feels like this world
existed and this really did happen. It's not. It's entirely fictional,
which is also what makes it so audacious to make
a three and a half hour film about an architect,
a Jewish architect living in America. It's mine and if
you go read the interviews with the direct you can
hear what he went through to try and get this made.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
The other thing which I think is stunning about this
film is the sound to it. It is it's almost
like this very tension filled horror film you're watching. There
is this sort of this this beat that goes through it.
These you know, like the it just creates a whole
nother You've got a bit of melodrama kind of taking

(28:33):
place with the relationships between everybody, but there's this this
full boding kind of the soundtrack under it. It's unusual,
isn't it. You know, like, if you go into this film,
this is not your normal mainstream blockbuster. It is a
little bit different. Go on a night where you've got
time to really just actually sit and be there and
enjoy it, but it is an extraordinary experience.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
You're going to experience something you're definitely going to have
feelings about it. You're not going to come out of
that and go eh, yeah, you know, you're going to
come out and you're going to be thinking about it
for sure, and I think that's that makes the movie
on its own a success, you know, like that is sure.
The goal of a movie like this is to make
you think about things and see the world differently. And
it's had that effect on me.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, and it gave me weird dreams, very weird. It's
very weird dreams. Hey, Chris, thank you so much and
appreciate you putting the dime and effort into going and
seeing that film to talk to us about it today.
It is in cinemas this Thursday. That's the twenty third
that was The Brutalist, the film we were talking about
when best Best Drama, I think Best Director and picked

(29:36):
up a third what was the third of the Golden Globes. Anyway,
I think it's going to be all over the Oscar
nominations in the next week. And the first film we
spoke about was Flow. It is fifteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgan in for Jack daim keeping
the conversation going through the weekend with be Pure Polity
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Speaker 3 (29:59):
That be joining me now is Nicky Wicks. Good morning,
Happy New Year?

Speaker 9 (30:05):
Yeah, good morning.

Speaker 10 (30:06):
A happy New Year to you too, brand new one.
I always kind of love that always late.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I agree, how's the vegy garden?

Speaker 10 (30:17):
The veachy garden is fantastic. But you know, for our
listeners this morning, and those of you who are gardeners
or have neighbors who are gardeners, how are you going
with the Corseiets? I with the carseiets yet those first
few that came out of the garden or we were
celebrating all but we were not. So now you know,
you can't give them away at this time of the year.
They're all turning into marrows overnight, and so you.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Know, the garden's good.

Speaker 10 (30:42):
But I thought that our listeners might be feeling the
same as me, which is what on earth to do
with these course yets?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
And that's what I'd like to focus on. They might
have been grilling them to them into you know, pasta
all sorts of things. But you've got some really interesting
takes on what to do with corg Yet this morning,
look I have.

Speaker 10 (31:00):
And it's because a neighbor in fact, did you know
see mer Texans said hey, want some want some Cordiets slashing?
And I went back and went aha, I said, I
am drowning in them at the moment, and so she
gave me a couple of good ideas. So I've been
really experimenting this summer. I know, on the show in
previous you know years, we've done you know, we've done cakes,
we've done pickles, all those things that you can turn

(31:22):
corgettes into fritters, a grade, all of that.

Speaker 9 (31:24):
But here's a couple of great things.

Speaker 10 (31:26):
So I've made a beautiful creamy dressing that you can
use for a salad or for a steak or something
like that, and the base of it is raw corgette. Honestly,
absolutely amazing. So here I did for that a cup
of chopped corgette and then about quarter of a cup
of olive oil or another good oil.

Speaker 9 (31:47):
That you've got.

Speaker 10 (31:48):
You can even get away with a little mix of
oil and water, believe it or not, because it's actually
are going to go into a blender handful of basil leaves,
or maybe parsing, although past isn't so great at this
time of the year, or maybe another herd that you
might like. So if you were heading off, maybe had
a piece of chicken that you were going to pair
this with, or a rice noodle, salad. Then maybe you
could use coriander, something like that. Decent squeeze of something acidic.

(32:11):
Now I've still got some big squishy lemons off my tree,
or something like a vinegar would be fine. So you
probably want about say two tablespoons of whatever that is,
but a salt from pepper. Of course, if you're feeling
a little bit luxurious, you could do parmesan cheese in there.
That's kind of a riff on that sort of pesto style.
But you're blending it all together in a decent sort

(32:32):
of blender or food process until it's quite a liquid sauce.
And it's beautiful. It's light green, it's got a creaminess.
I served this up to two people yesterday and I'm like, wow,
this is beautiful.

Speaker 9 (32:44):
It's dressing.

Speaker 10 (32:44):
It's so fresh and creamy, and really the creaminess comes
from those raw gets. So this is a really great one.
I'd be knocking that out like crazy. The other thing
I've been knocking it at is some fresh fruit ice
cream with corsiyet.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
So this is this is not what I would not
go corgiyet ice cream. Yeah, awesome, I know this looks again.

Speaker 10 (33:04):
My neighbors to me look, you can also tune them
into aye, she said, I've been doing it into ice
creams for the kids, and she's a fabulous chef, so
I trust her impressently. So I've been freezing chopped corget
so again, somebody drops me off a marrow, I'll go, oh, goody, goody,
thanks so much, and I chop it all up into
little pieces, throw it in the freezer, and then when
I feel like it, I take equal portions of that

(33:26):
corgiet and any sort of frozen fruit. And I've done
this with raspberries last night, mango earlier on in the week,
and then you blend it up and it just comes
out like a smooth gelato. It's amazing. What people would
normally do with the fresh fruit ice creams in a
blender is they'll throw a banana in there. It's fine,
a little bit of extra sugar in there, but it's okay.

(33:47):
You know, I'm not against sugar in that sense, but
this is just fantastic if you feel like something different
in getting some more fiber and vechies into you. So again,
serve this to two people yesterday because we had a
little bit of a photo shoot actually, and they were like,
oh my god, this is amazing, And I said, that
has got you know, only half of that is the fruit.
The other half is courgette because surprisingly Francesca, it doesn't

(34:10):
really have much flavor, and which is kind of what
you want in this sense, you know, But it has
a beautiful creaminess once it's been frozen. You could add
into that to help you blender out, I often say
to people, because it doesn't need a bit of a
help with a stick or something in there to get
it all moving around. You could add little bit of
coconut milk or cream or water or something like that,

(34:32):
or even fruit juice if you wanted any other flavorings
that you want to go for.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
But it comes out.

Speaker 10 (34:37):
Literally like the like the texture and that sort of
thing and the flavor of a really good gelato.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
So that's a good ee.

Speaker 10 (34:46):
And the last thing I've been doing is I've been
just loading it up into my smoothies. And again that
is something that I wouldn't normally do. I'd usually use
a banana or an avocado for that sort of creaminess,
but not now. I have got enough frozen corgette to
get me almost to next summer. I reckon, but.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's a really nice It's a really nice way to
add the green to the smoothie as well, isn't it,
Because we talk about, you know, having our green smoothes
and getting the green into the smoothie and things. It's
and it's just that it doesn't have a strong taste.
And the key thing too is don't just get your corgies,
as you said, You've got to chop them before you
freeze up. Don't just grab them from the from the gun.

Speaker 10 (35:19):
And yeah, that's a disaster, isn't it, because you know,
that's that's a rookie mistake, that one is freezing.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
Blender.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, small.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
It's yeah, exactly me too, to be honest. When I
first started doing this, I was chopping them lazily, quite big,
and then I realized that was kind of tougher for
my blender or food processor at the other end.

Speaker 11 (35:42):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (35:43):
Think these, you know, these are my favorite things to
do now with the corgiette, you know, as opposed to
as I say, I've usually grated it than the cakes
or frishes. Nothing wrong with but these were, yeah, just
new ways of using them up.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
So there you go, just very quickly Nicky, I noticed
as you were reading out those recipes. One minute you
call it corgiet, the next to marrow. These really good. No, no,
these if you have got the marrow, I imagine that they
are fine to freeze and using smoothies and things like that.
The fact that it's turned into a marrow won't matter.

Speaker 10 (36:13):
To be honest, that's a really great question, because I
am really using the marrows for this cool Most of
mine are really far too big. They're probably the size
of my forum. Maybe some without the hand, but mostly
they're from the elbow to the finger tip. That's the
ones that people are giving me. And so absolutely these

(36:34):
are the ones I'm using. And as I say, I'm
you know.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
I am.

Speaker 10 (36:37):
Previous years, I feel terrible when I've you know, wasted
time or not waste of time, but when I've made
pickles out of them, said, I've even seen a couple
of those to the bloody compost, But how embarrassing. Not anymore. No,
now I'm just like, great, there's another marrow. Fantastic, chop
that up and it's in the freezer. So no, pretty
much marrows is. But you could use your couseetes as well.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Thank you. So much. Nicky really appreciate it for those recipes.
All you have to do is here to Newstorgs. He'd
be dot co dot Nzen. We've got your cools yet
and your marrows all sorted. We'll talk next week.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
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Speaker 3 (37:20):
B Thank you very much for your tech. Someone said
the best thing to do with cordyets is to call
them Zucchini's a much nicer sound. Tammy Neilson is absolutely
fantastic live and she is a powerhouse vocalist, So just
imagine how electric it will be when she takes the
stage to perform feminist country songs at the Auckland Arts Festival.

(37:40):
She has teamed up with Canadian musicology professor doctor Jada
Watson for it's sort of tongue in check expose of
gender inequality in country music. So she's going to be
singing Dolly Parton to Patsy Cline, to Loretta Lynn, to
the Dixie Jicks or Dixie or the Tricks as we
call them now. It's going to be a fabulous show,
and Tammy and Jada are with me next to talk

(38:01):
about inequality in country music. You're with Saturday Mornings on
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Speaker 3 (38:53):
You ten rock? Good morning, this is Saturday morning, So
I'm Francisca bud Can with you until midday. Good to
have you with us now. Classic female country artist like
Dolly Patton, LaRita Lyn Petsicline, Faith Hill, and even modern
day musicians like Casey Musgraves, Taylor Swift, Kerry Underwood, and
Shania Twain, a musical pioneer, is doing a fair share

(39:16):
in elevating the country genre to the conglomerate it is today.
So it may surprise you that just ten percent of
country music airplay and awards are granted to women. This
is just one of the astonishing facts peppered through Tammy
Nielsen's latest show, The F Word, which combines the research
of musicology professor doctor Jada Watson with music. Tammy Nielsen

(39:40):
is New Zealand's own country music pioneer, having won the
twy for Best Country Album three consecutive times, and Doctor
Jada Watson has spent the best part of two decades
researching country music in the US. Tammy and Jada join
me now, Good morning, Good morning. I told you it
was quite an introduction. That's a good one.

Speaker 13 (40:02):
We'll take it.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I'm gonna ask probably what might sound like a really
silly question to start off with, but I feel that
the word country music is such a broad term. I
was wondering, maybe, Timmy, if you wanted to start off
by describing country music to someone who maybe isn't so
familiar with the genre.

Speaker 12 (40:23):
Oh man, Yeah, country music is. It's a huge umbrella
with a lot of different subgenres under it. So you know,
everyone from Neil Young to Johnny Cash to Patsy Klein
to Taylor Swift. You know, these are, like you would think,

(40:45):
people in completely different musical genres, but they are all
kind of little subgenres under the umbrella of country music,
which is, you know, encompasses what's supposed to be you know,
the stories and the music of the people.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
So, Jada, when you refer to country music, do you
use that broad um bread as well?

Speaker 14 (41:10):
That's a tough question. Uh yeah, I really do. But
I I probably approach it from a different angle than
Tammy does because she comes from the artist's perspective, So
she's probably thinking musically or sonically, whereas oftentimes I find
I'm thinking institutionally. So you know, I would I would

(41:31):
be thinking about, you know, mainstream channels, like whether or
not artists are operating within the music row system in
Nashville or outside of it, and what that what that means.
So you know, some of the artists that Tammy mentioned
definitely are operating within you know, mainstream Nashville music making processes,

(41:55):
and then some aren't. And so that I tend to
I tend to focus on the institutional side of things
through my work.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Gotcha Tammy, A journey of feminist country song on International
Women's Day. That's what the show was all about. What
sparked the idea behind this show, Well.

Speaker 12 (42:15):
I kind of I kind of wrote Jada into this
before she realized she was even involved. We both are
very vocal. I think we first met on Twitter didn't.
We Yes, And we're both quite vocal about challenging inequality
in the genre in the country music industry. Me from

(42:38):
an artist's perspective obviously, and Jada from a researcher's perspective.
And I followed her because she wrote, you know this
incredible articles that were in you know, USA Today and
all of the Rolling Stone, you know. So I kind
of got to know her through her research and publishing

(43:01):
her research on all of these music kind of institutions.
And what I loved about her work was that for
an artist, she was kind of giving us the tools
to feel validated, I guess, you know, vindicated because for years,

(43:24):
everyone in the music industry knows that there's a massive imbalance,
especially in country music, but in music in general. But
there's a huge imbalance in equality in country music, and
it's kind of an unspoken knowledge. Everyone just knows it.
But Jada kind of provided these black and white, this

(43:49):
data research that actually proved that it wasn't just how
it felt, it's actually how it is.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
And so I kind of had.

Speaker 12 (43:59):
This idea of marrying her research and all this these
incredible lectures and things that she does and kind of
intersperse it between the actual music she's talking about, and
so I wanted to tell the story of women in
country music through song, but also backing it up with

(44:25):
just that real, uh you know, juxtaposition of like you
celebrate this wonderful music, but then getting the reality of
what it's like to be an artist, a female artist,
operating in that world.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
So you're going to bring us up, Timmy, and then
you're just gonna draw you. We're gonna drop down, then
we're gonna come up again, then you're.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Gonna drop us down.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I can see, I can see how this is gonna go.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, I always.

Speaker 12 (44:48):
Say, I always say, you know, as I'm a mom,
and you can't give your kids medicine without giving them
a little bit of honey. So it's lots of honey
and little bits of medicine stuck in there.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
So, Tommy, just out of interest, did the facts that
Jada uncovered surprise you? Although, as you say, was it
more confirmation of what you already knew?

Speaker 12 (45:09):
Well, it wasn't surprising, but it was even though we
know there's an imbalance, seeing it in black and white
and seeing the actual numbers and percentages was still it's
like a punch to the gut, you know, and I

(45:29):
think that you know, yeah, seeing it before my eyes,
even though yeah, not surprising, was still shocking somehow.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, Jada, why is it the way it is? I
might be wrong here, but I was under the idea
that over the last sort of twenty years, the fastest
growing radio stations, especially in the UIs were country music
radio stations, that they were growing so so fast. So
I was really taken back to see that actually, you know,

(46:04):
only ten percent of country music you know, played on
those on those stations, or on any station, is by women.

Speaker 14 (46:13):
Yeah, this is this is a great question, you know.
I guess country has always been one of the largest formats.
I can't remember the exact number, but there's there's over
two thousand country stations in the United States, and there
there really has always been a very high number of
country stations. It's one of the three pillar formats in

(46:36):
the United States. Black black music radio and pop or
Top forty would be the sort of third pillar. And
and these three pillars have their roots in the nineteen
twenties and the variety theme shows that would happen on
these three sort of radio types. But but I think

(46:59):
what's important to remember is that country music has a
you know, it's celebrating its one hundredth year kind of
right now as we head into twenty twenty five.

Speaker 13 (47:11):
Is that where we're going right now?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (47:14):
Yeah, twenty twenty five is the one hundredth anniversary of
the Grand Ole Opry, which is the very first and
and sort of founding country station, which was a variety
themed show, and that still exists today. I think the
piece that's important to remember is that these issues are historic.
There are quite systemic issues that pervade society in general.

(47:38):
So you know, we have to remember where country came
from and the time in which it was developed, and
this was nineteen twenties United States, racially segregated country wherein
all culture, most cultural institutions were racially segregated, and then
sort of built into that framework was also different forms

(47:58):
of discrimination or oppression. And so women have historically been
underrepresented in all cultural spheres and country music is just
one of those places. And one of the stories we
tell in the F Word is of the Carter family
and in the nineteen twenties when they were you know,

(48:20):
part of those original sessions of recording artists that included
Jimmy Rogers and others. They were told a woman in
the lead will never sell, and yet we think of
them as the founding family of country music. And so
that idea of women not selling or as not being

(48:40):
possible to sell has really been baked into the fabric
of institution that is country music, and that's a story
that women are constantly battling, that their albums won't sell,
that their songs won't make ratings on radio, that they
can't sell out tours, and so a lot of the

(49:03):
industry has devised all of these sort of processes and
practices behind the scenes, so they won't program songs by
women back to back on radio, and they still won't
do it.

Speaker 9 (49:12):
Today.

Speaker 14 (49:13):
You will very rarely, if ever, see two women headlining
a festival or a tour. Women are discouraged from touring together.
And a lot of these ideas are very old. They
go back to the founding of the industry, and they've
just been sort of upheld for the last century. So

(49:33):
you can imagine if they can't be played back to back,
then it would be impossible to have a high representation
on your radio station.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
In the nineties, women were played a lot more on
country radio, and I'm presuming this is the era of
Shania Twain and Faith Hell and the chicks and leanne
rhymes and things. Are we going backwards since then?

Speaker 13 (49:56):
Absolutely? Yeah.

Speaker 14 (49:58):
Nineteen ninety was the decade of highest representation of songs
by women in country in general. And while I don't
have direct radio airplay data, I can tell you that
nineteen ninety nine was the peak in terms of the
number of songs by women that charted, and it was
thirty three percent. And so you have this very slow

(50:20):
increase from six point five percent of the charting songs
on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart in nineteen fifty
eight to this historic peak of thirty three percent by
nineteen ninety nine, and it's declined since.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
So is this an industry that's trying not to change? Yes,
just that I sunt up there.

Speaker 14 (50:44):
Yeah, I mean the bottom line I think for an
industry like country music is that they've made a lot
of money in the way that they've done this business,
and there's no incentive for them to change if if
it's going to potentially hurt their bottom line, and they
they operate sort of on this is some that any

(51:07):
change is potentially bad for business.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
So Temmy, what shape do you think the country music
genre is in New Zealand. Do we have the same
issues of representation?

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (51:20):
Man, I mean, we don't even have a terrestrial radio station.
We don't have any country music platforms other than Southern
Cross Country on iHeartRadio, which just started this year. We
don't have any country music platforms. So country music in

(51:42):
New Zealand has definitely been a challenge. It is the
music of the people, you know. And I remember doing
a radio interview with on a mainstream station that don't
play my music, but they wanted to talk about my
duet with Willie Nelson and they said to me, oh,
it must be real hard being a country artist here.

(52:03):
You know, people don't really like country music in New Zealand.
And I said, well, the fact that I have the
number one album in the country right now says to
me that the people of New Zealand do love country music.
It's just the fact that we do not have any outlets.
You know, when you look at the top of our

(52:24):
radio charts, it's populated by bands who are predominantly male,
whose music is pumped out on our radio stations. Twenty
four to seven you can't go grocery shopping without hearing
them repeatedly, and which is wonderful that New Zealand music
is supported, but it would be lovely to see that
for our female artists as well. But the fact that

(52:49):
they're on the charts as well, but they're having this
extra layer of constant advertisement for their songs and their music,
and so of course they're topping the charts continually. So
for me, as an independent female country artist in New
Zealand who gets zero radio play, to be number one

(53:09):
on the charts is nothing but fans that that is
no help from industry or radio play, and so I
do have hope in that. There's never been a time
where fans can directly you know, there's not really any
of course, there are gatekeepers and algorithms on things like

(53:32):
Spotify and streaming, but if people love your music and
connect with your music, they don't have to go through
as many gatekeepers as they used to. And so that's
why someone like me can get a number one album
and can still sell out the civic in Auckland. You know,
it's the fans, it's the fan base. But without that,

(53:53):
the industry itself is not set up to help female
artists or country artists succeed in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Temmy, I think this is going to be a ripper
of a show. I mean your dynamite and concert and
I think here with the point that you're trying to
make in the emotion that's going to come behind it,
I think it's going to be an absolutely fantastic show.

Speaker 12 (54:15):
Thank you, and I'm looking forward to it because Jada
has not been to New Zealand before and she's flying
out for us to do this. So I'll be handling
the singing and the show and Jada will be doing
the heavy lifting.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
With all the information. The F Word is on Saturday,
match eighth at Auckland Town Hall. You can get your
tickets at AAF dot co dot Nz. Right coming up
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Speaker 3 (55:19):
Hey, I had a bit of daja vo when I
started watching The Pit. We've got Noel While, who I
remember You're probably a bit too young from Er, but
he is back in the emergency room. But like, hang
on a minute, what wait, what's thatppening?

Speaker 15 (55:31):
I know it feels very familiar to see him back
on the screen playing a doctor in this new medical
drama which has just landed on Neon. And Yeah, if
you are a fan of Er or you love a
bit of an intense, fast paced medical show, you will
enjoy this. It's set in a busy hospital in Pittsburgh
in the States, and it's about a doctor, doctor Robbie.
He's played by no While, who's leading a team of

(55:53):
medical staff in an overloaded emergency department. Now, the twist
with the Pit and what I really like about it
is that the series plays out in real time, so
each hour long episode covers one hour in the day
and all fifteen episodes covers the length of one medical shift,
so the entire season takes place over one day, and

(56:14):
you never really leave the hospital. Most of the scenes
are inside, and it all just adds to the intensity
of the show, and that builds as the season goes on.
You know, the staff are battling with bureaucracy, there's not
enough money, the waiting room is always full.

Speaker 13 (56:28):
There's no kind of quiet.

Speaker 15 (56:29):
Downtime here because they're always busy, and Robbie is overseeing.

Speaker 13 (56:33):
All this chaos.

Speaker 15 (56:35):
Now, of course, you can't not compare this to Er,
mostly because Noah while start in that show as well,
it's made by some of the same team. It's another
similar hospital drama with lots of compelling characters, but this
does feel quite current. The legacy and trauma of the
pandemic is running through this as well.

Speaker 13 (56:54):
Probably not one to watch if you're squeamish.

Speaker 15 (56:56):
You know, there's some realistic scenes in here that sort
of maybe want to go, oh, I'm not sure about this,
but yeah, Otherwise, a very compelling, very slick medical drama.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
No, I'm very much enjoying it, and I do like
the way, as you say, it's playing out in real
time because a lot of these you know, a lot
of the issues they're dealing with, they don't resolve really quickly,
they don't resolve in one hour of drama. So it's
quite nice to say're taking the season right. American Primeval
is the worker director Peter Berg, And look, I know
of him as a director who loves a bit of gory,

(57:25):
raw violence, but he shoots it really well. And would
it be fair to say that he's.

Speaker 13 (57:29):
In form here, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 15 (57:32):
That's exactly how to describe the show. This is a
beautifully shot Western that's just come on to Netflix, but
it is pretty brutal and pretty violent. This is currently
the number one show on Netflix in New Zealand. And
it's a six part Western set in eighteen fifty seven
in Utah Territory. So it's a fictional story, but it

(57:53):
takes place against real events that actually happened. And it
follows a woman called Sarah who is trying to get
from Philadelphia to a place called Crooked Springs, which is
so remote and such a risky journey that nobody wants
to take her.

Speaker 13 (58:06):
There is war everywhere. It's a very.

Speaker 15 (58:09):
Hostile, hostile time, particularly for a woman. Traveling along with
her son. Sarah is not who she sings. She's been
tracked by a bounty hunter for a crime that she
committed back east, and that crime is the real reason
that she's escaping West.

Speaker 13 (58:23):
And so this all comes out.

Speaker 15 (58:25):
To play as Sarah tries to find someone who can
take her on this risky journey.

Speaker 13 (58:29):
And the show does not shy away from the risk.

Speaker 15 (58:32):
It is pretty it is pretty brutal. It's violent and
ruthless and unrelenting. It really wants to show how hard
life was in Utah in the eighteen fifties. But the
storytelling pulls you in despite that. You know, it's fast paced,
there's lots of different threads being pulled, it's beautifully shot.
You know, it's a prestige drama for Netflix. So I'm

(58:54):
really curious to see what happens with us. But again,
not a show for the faint hearted. I did skip
through Ford through one very long battle scene in episode one.
But you know, if you're a Western fan, or you
readly love a gritty, realistic show that is just pulling
every punch, then.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
This is a must watch. And because I know you
like to provide us with a little bit of variety.
You've also got a bit of an old fashioned sort
of period drama on the list to you today.

Speaker 13 (59:19):
Yeah, yeah, definite change of pace. This is The Heartachres.

Speaker 15 (59:22):
This is a new British drama which started on TVNZ
one earlier.

Speaker 13 (59:27):
This week and it's also on TVs Plus.

Speaker 15 (59:29):
And it's made by the team behind the reboot of
All Creatures, Great and Small. And if you like shows
like Call the Midwife or Pole Dark, I think you'll.

Speaker 13 (59:37):
Enjoy The heart Acres. It's set in the late eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 15 (59:40):
It's a rag to riches story about a working class
Yorkshire family who work on the docks. They are a
bit down on their luck, but they make a couple
of savvy business decisions and suddenly.

Speaker 13 (59:52):
Have enough money to buy the local manner.

Speaker 15 (59:55):
You shouldn't think too hard about the details in the show,
and I think you'll be okay. But the show is
about how they adapt to the sudden rise and status
and how their experience of how get how.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
The other hus lives.

Speaker 13 (01:00:08):
You know, it's a bit far fetched. Everyone's got lovely teeth.

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:00:12):
They're not going for grotty realism here. But I think
a lot of people will still enjoy this. I think
this kind of gentle mora old fashioned comforting TV still
has its place.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:00:22):
It's light, it's easy to watch, it's you know, sort
of wonderfully soapy.

Speaker 13 (01:00:27):
But it's just a bit of romantic escapism, and I
think sometimes.

Speaker 9 (01:00:30):
We wanted a bit of that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Thank you so much, Tara. A great range of shows
there for you. The Pit is on Neon, American Primeval
is on Netflix, and The heartachres on tv m Z Plus.
It is twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on NEWSTALKSB and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Every Want Come and Get.

Speaker 16 (01:00:58):
Grave, Giving You Never.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
On Friday, David Gray released his new album. It's called
Dear Life. It is his first album since twenty twenty one.
It's getting really good reviews. Actually, apparently the inspiration for
the album goes back to his nineteen ninety eight breakthrough
album White Ladder. You may remember it. It topped the
charts in the UK. It took ages though to kind
of build, and then it just built and took off.

(01:01:30):
It topped the UK charts three years after its original release,
and it kind of shifted the focus of British pop
away from the guitar bands and sort of brought in
this new era of sensitive solo artists. You know, he
kind of paved the way for Adele and James Blunt
and Ed Sheeran. Anyway, Gray calls this album an album
of emotional crisis and resolution if that's what you need,

(01:01:52):
and it's going to might just be what you you know,
might be perfect for you. Looking forward to talking to
Estelle before midday. She's going to give us her thoughts
on the album, and David Gray will actually be on
Saturday Mornings next weekend with Jack still to come. This
our root climb past on what is learned from the
messy weather this summer. And when it comes to tech,
it tends to ebb and flow, doesn't it. When it

(01:02:13):
comes to advancements, sometimes we've flooded with them and other
times there's very little new stuff hitting the market. So
as we head into twenty twenty five, has tech development
and innovation stagnated? That is next Newstalk XVB Oscar how
joins us now to talk tech. Good to have you
back with us, Oscar, Happy new year.

Speaker 17 (01:02:32):
Happy to the years, Francesca, It's lovely to be back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Excellent, Hey, I was just saying before, you know, tech
kind of ebbs and flows a bit when it comes
to advancements, doesn't it. It feels like sometimes we're flooded with
great new ideas and then there's sort of nothing terribly
innovative that kind of hits the market for a while.
So as we head into twenty twenty five, where where
is tech development and innovation stagnated? Or do you think

(01:02:56):
we're on a roll?

Speaker 17 (01:02:58):
I think I mean just on a From a personal perspective,
you know, it's very hard to get excited about anything
hit in the markets recently. You know, I think back
to you know, two thousand and one when Steve Jobs
pulled the first iPod out of his pocket and sent
the world into a tailspin, or when he unveiled the
iPhone in two thousand and seven and combined you know,

(01:03:18):
an iPod, web browser, and a phone all than one.
And I've been really struggling to find anything that makes
me feel that way.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Really, isn't all the time, Beneth that they're going into AI.

Speaker 17 (01:03:30):
Well, and that's what I think I spoke about last time.
I had a good old wind about the fact that
everything's AI powered now, and I'm kind.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
Of over it.

Speaker 17 (01:03:39):
But yeah, it seems that way, and I just don't
think it's good enough. I think it's AI should not
be an excuse for not coming up with anything cool
and innovatives for consumers to get their handle on in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
So no one's actually kind of hinting at some cool
U tech to come.

Speaker 17 (01:03:56):
Well, not really. I mean I had a lot of
hopes depend on the new Nintendo Switch, which got announced
I think it was yesterday, and I was hoping that
with the Nintendo Switch too, they do something and exciting
and you know, break the mold. But I mean it
looks the same as a Nintendo sweat and that's the same,
And you know, I feel like that translates over the phones,
over the computers, and you know when Christmas rolls around

(01:04:19):
and kids are their mums and dads, Hey, i'd like
the new iPhone. And I have the new iPhone for Christmas.
I'm sure there's a lot of parents out there just thinking,
looks it looks the same as the last one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah, you go, no, no, here's mine, and I'm going
to get a new one. Look, I suppose I suppose
there's kind of a silver lining to the fact that
there are no shiny new things for us all to
go and spend our money on. Is that you can
just keep using the same gaming console you've got, Like,
you know, we're not throbbing things out or moving things
on because there's something new coming out. I suppose it's

(01:04:51):
it's not a bad thing. We're you know, a little
less consumerism. We're holding on to our things and looking
after them, well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Aren't we.

Speaker 17 (01:04:58):
Yeah, well, the Sony Walkman isn't getting shuppered in a
cupboard for the next twenty years just because the new
Idea Ink three came out, So I think it is
probably quite good. I mean, I'm still running my computer
from twenty twenty. As bad as that sounds coming from
a tech commentator. You know, I've recently brought a new phone,
but it was only out of necessity because the last
one decided to die. So it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Tell me about the options that you that you dissolve
when you're looking at your new phone and what you went.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
For and y.

Speaker 17 (01:05:27):
Well, I mean very quickly. I think phones for Sunstream
Verison seemed to be getting really expensive. You know, it
was only about five years ago that you could go
and buy the top of the line Huawei or Sansung
or iPhone, and it would cost you about a grand.
And now you know, if you go out here in
things are two sometimes three thousand dollars for what is
essentially the same thing as it was the year before.

(01:05:48):
So I went and I settled for, I said, for
a lovely little mid range phone called, wait for it,
it's called an Oppo Reno twelve five D Pro, which
is surely the longest name in technology at the moment.
It was a frantic purchase the day before christ because
my last one decided not to turn on. And yeah,

(01:06:09):
it's perfectly functional. It's probably a really good opportunity if
people want to upgrade their devices to have something that
is nice and comfortable and intuitive and qupefully isn't going
to break the bank.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
And it's got the contemporary teach on it, I.

Speaker 9 (01:06:23):
Presume it sure does.

Speaker 17 (01:06:25):
It's got all the amenities of a modern phone, and
it's powered by AI, which you can make believe to
be honest, but I've been playing around with the camera
and it's got some really cool AI functions to edit
people out of photos or things out of photos, and
it's quite a normal tic, but yeah, pretty please with
look so far, I'm sure there'll be an opportunity for

(01:06:45):
me to mention it later on down the track, give
an update and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
How it's running brilliant, Thanks Oscar. If you were lucky
enough to get away this summer and you enjoyed a
classic Kiwi batch, you might have returned to work convinced
you need a batch well. Ed McKnight talks us through
whether it's a good idea or not next year on
Saturday Mornings It is sixteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Francesco.
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in for Jack dam and
Be pure Quality Supplements for essential Energy News talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
And joining me now from Ope's Partners to talk money
is Ed McKnight. How are you ed?

Speaker 18 (01:07:25):
Oh, Francesca is wonderful to talk to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Have you had a chance to have a bit of
a break or have you spent the time sort of
moving into your new home and settling in?

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Well, do you know what?

Speaker 18 (01:07:35):
This is the first weekend I'm actually spending him a
new home. Because we did manage to go on holiday.
We headed over to the Northern Hemisphere over to Switzerland
for a bit of skiing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
We were very lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Okay, all right then, so you wouldn't have been sitting
at the beach in New Zealand in a lovely sort
of kew we back going gosh, you know that you
might have rented for the summer going. Actually, wouldn't it
be great if we were able to afford a batch?

Speaker 18 (01:07:58):
Well I personally wasn't, but I know that there are
a lot of Kiwis who do this. Your head off
to the beach and you look at your partner and think, gosh,
it'd be great to come back here every couple of weeks.
Maybe we should look into buying a holiday home. Well,
I'll tell you another story. I was in Owakuni earlier
this year, and as you're on holiday there, you walk

(01:08:18):
past the real estate companies. You pop your head in
the window, and if you're from one of the largest cities,
you might look at the house prices in a smaller
town and think, do you know what, that's not that bad.
It's cheap compared to where we live. Maybe we should
think about a holiday home. So what are some signs
that it's a good idea? What are some signs that's
a bad idea. Well, I think if you're into some

(01:08:40):
sort of sport like boating or snow sports like skiing
and snowboarding, then sometimes it actually can be a good
idea to have a holiday home because you've got all
of this equipment and you need a place to store
your stuff, because it can be very inconvenient if every
couple of weeks you've got to pack up your whole
entire car and cut everything down four hours down to

(01:09:02):
o Aacuney or wherever it happens to be, and having
that holiday home and it can just be a really
useful place to store your stuff. I'll tell you another
time that buying a holiday home can be a good idea.
Sometimes people have family batches and they've been going there
for years and years and years, and then they get
the opportunity to buy their parents out. Well, that can
be an okay idea as well. But what I really

(01:09:24):
just want to warn people against is that idea that
sometimes you buy a holiday home and then people tell me,
look ed, we don't actually go down to the holiday
home to the batch as much as we thought we would.
And so if you've already gone there, a lot, because
it's been a family home, or because you play a sport. Well,
those are some good signs that you're actually going to

(01:09:45):
make good use of this property. Whereas if you've only
gone to this place once, it might be somewhere in
the corn Handle, and this is your first time at
that beach, it might be a bit too hasty to say,
let's start looking at properties because you haven't really proven
to yourself that you are going to use this. One
alternative I'll just suggest for people. If you are going

(01:10:07):
to buy a holiday home, you're going to spend money
on rates, you're going to be spending money on insurance,
you're going to be spending on maintenance. It might be
five grand plus a year, and one alternative to buying
a holiday home is to take that money and just
go to different airbnbs around the country and test out
different spots. You know, we don't always need to have
one solid spot that we go to every time for

(01:10:30):
twenty years. Sometimes people get bored of that particular town
and a better idea might just be to use that
same amount of money you would have spent on rates, insurance,
maintenance and go to lots of different towns.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
And of course that's the important part of it too,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:45):
VH.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
You have to work out what it is going to
cost you and whether you will be able to maybe
potentially read it out for the you know, for a
period of time throughout the year, in order to contribute
to those costs as well. Thanks so much for your thoughts.

Speaker 17 (01:10:56):
Ed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Nice to catch up with you now. If you do
buy that bat, you generally hope that you get some
good weather to enjoy it. But I'll tell you what
the weather around Christmas in the year, it wasn't the
best in some parts of the country, was it. But
Root climb past has found a silver lining to all
the rain, and he's with us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Next well, gunning with summer at steel Shaff where it's
all about the accessories and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Joining me now route time past. How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:11:18):
I am very good, Francesca, you too. I heard your
little story about the tennis. I thought it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I don't mind the disruptor occasionally. Last time I spoke
to you, I mean speaking to you a little bit
over the summer road, you were on the West coast.
Did you have a lovely trip that the sunshine?

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
I did have it? I did have a lovely trip.
It was far warmer than it was in christ Stewart,
and with my french son in law we went biking
all over their mountains and things like that. That really
tested my ability to actually keep up with the young ones.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
I'm sure it's no problem for you whatsoever. You know,
you mentioned the weather there. It has been really this
it has been challenging, hasn't it. It's at some times
and at some parts over the summer so far. But
that's there's some silver linings to.

Speaker 9 (01:12:03):
This, there is. We talked about this, you know, the
Wellingtonians and the christ Churchens have been really moaning ever
since the Actually we had a really nice spring. It
was hot and dry and all that, and suddenly, bang,
you're absolutely right. It has its advantages and I actually
learned about these advantages due to the fact that we

(01:12:26):
had to go through it. Because when you have constant
rain or a regular rain, the water will soak into
the soil and goes to a depth of sometimes a
foot or two feet deep, and that is absolutely wonderful
if you want to plant plants. Now I know you
do ornamentals, but you also do a bit of vegetables

(01:12:48):
and things like that. It says the same with me.
And as soon as you've got a soil that is
literally hydrated with a lot of water, you are finding
it a lot easier to plant those plants and to
keep them going. And that's what happened to me. I
had a fabulous time so far.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
What about you, Yeah, no, no, we're all. We're looking
pretty good. Actually, it's it's wonderful to see the garden
thriving without having to put too much human intervention in place.
We've had a beautiful week though on Auckland, so I've
had to water my cucumbers because they love them. They
love the moisture and they're just they're taking off and
I'm very proud of them. But you're though. The other

(01:13:26):
day I was decided to change some pots around and
I had to empty them and it was that soil
and their roads solid it's concrete.

Speaker 9 (01:13:36):
Yeah, yeah, And when you keep on having to water that,
you actually drain out a lot of nutrients and fertilizers
and things like that. But also things become lesterally slapping away,
and that's really what you don't want. So I've had
a really good time with planting in that moist soil
not over that moist, but good and moist. But then

(01:13:58):
to me, says tomatoes, no problem. They just kept on going.
They loved it in the tunnel house, they loved it outside.
But here comes to the other thing. With a regular
waterfall from the sky, there are other things that are problematic.
And I'll give you a little example. We got quite
a good lot of brown rot on on our fruit trees,

(01:14:22):
and I'm talking about you know, pitches and stuff like that,
and you've got to be really careful with that. So
if you do have a lot of water going before
the next storm goes, what I would do is chuck
some copper sprays on those developing fruit. That would stop

(01:14:42):
those spores from that particular disease, the rot in this case,
settling on your developing fruit, and you will really save
yourself a lot of hassel at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Do you have to repeat that?

Speaker 9 (01:14:55):
Yes, okay, absolutely. And the reason is that these spores
basically live for maybe a couple of weeks or a week,
and then after that you get the next lot by
wind on the plants. And if your copper is basically
deteriorated on the surface of your fruit, you'll need to
replace it with another quick copper spray. And the cool

(01:15:16):
thing about copper sprays is it's organic. It is absolutely fabulous.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
And if you haven't got the time to be preventive
about it, and the rod is already seated in, what's
the solution.

Speaker 9 (01:15:28):
Then the thing is to get them as soon as
you can. If you see the rod starting, get them
as soon as you can and cut off the rod,
and you'll find that the non rotting part of the
fruit is actually edible. It doesn't taste terrible. I mean,
unless it's reasonably if you like, grown to a place

(01:15:48):
of time that you get some nice sweet fruit in it.
You know, if it's too early, forget it, take it off,
get rid of it. So you can do that. But
the other thing, of course, what you can do then
is you prevent not only the copper or fungicides, you know,
if you like. But if you do that for two
or three weeks and the brown rot, we'll start to

(01:16:10):
moan about the brilliant weather that you're getting basically, and
it still doesn't result, and it still doesn't result in
brotting fruit. That's what this is about.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Gotcha, Yes, thank you, rude, Well, it's been good, not
to have have the neighbors come over. Hasn't it to
water the garden?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Exactly?

Speaker 9 (01:16:28):
It worked byself. Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Rude always on to catch up with you when we
come back after News and Sport, which is next here
on News Talks, he'd be, we're going to we're going
to think about how to start the year with a
little bit of oomph. You know, twenty twenty four was
pretty tough for many people. Twenty twenty five is a
chance to reset in many ways, so we're going to
have a chat about that. Shortly. You're on News Talks.

(01:16:51):
You've been.

Speaker 9 (01:17:01):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Music Saturday Mornings with Francesca rudgn in for Jack Daim
keeping the conversation going through the weekends with bepure quality
Supplements for essential Energy, Youth Talks at be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Coming up this out here on Saturday Mornings. We're gonna
walk through the vines and blend them with Mark Yardley.
Jason Pine joins us from the sale GP headquarters in Auckland,
and Catherine Rains keeps the holiday going with some enjoyable
summer reads. Francesca, we are kicking off this hour talking
about well being and no doubt you might be one

(01:18:04):
of those people that spends a bit of time over
the holidays reflecting on the year that's been and looking
ahead to the year. You know, at a twenty twenty
five you may be the kind of person that puts
New Year's resolutions in place, or maybe you just take
a little bit more time to think about some As
I know, it is quite trendy these days to do.
You do your enlist and your outlist for twenty twenty five.

(01:18:26):
You look at the things you're going to bring into
your life, look at the things are going to get
out of your life. Anyway, you might just kind of
want a little bit of you know, I like this
word to get into the year. So joining us now
is Doogle Sutherland. Good morning, Nice to talk to you again.

Speaker 19 (01:18:43):
Much to talk to you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
How was your twenty twenty four.

Speaker 19 (01:18:49):
Oh it was not one that I would want to
repeat again, except so I said to somebody the other day.
The first ten months were rubbish. The last two were
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
Oh well that's good.

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:19:04):
On balance, I don't think I would want to have another.
The only bright spark, and it came at the very
very very end, is we welcomed our first grandchild into wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
It doesn't get you know, more joyful than that, does it.

Speaker 19 (01:19:21):
No. No, So that was a that was a nice
way to end the year. But apart from that, I
don't think i'd want to repeat the rest of it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
No, And I think a lot of people have felt
the same way. You know, we've had job losses, you know,
with its economic times a tough you know, people you
know are really sort of struggling to remain positive in things.
And I think when you you know, heading into a
new year is a great time, isn't it google to
sort of start having a think about the year ahead
and the changes that you'd like to make. What are

(01:19:50):
some of your top tips for starting the year? Well, yeah, well.

Speaker 19 (01:19:54):
I've got I've got pulled together five tips. Now I
should say, don't if you're listening, don't try and do
all five because you're probably spectacularly fail at all of
them and then you'll feel terrible. So I think choose one,
maybe two that resonate with you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
And I think you're right.

Speaker 19 (01:20:14):
You know, this time of the year, we've got a
little bit of extra time. On her hand, it's not
a bad time to stop and reflect. I think the
very first thing, And actually it was something my wife
said to me the other day we both started back
at work, and she said she had to sort of
rally yourself to get out of the car in the
morning when she got to work, but she reminded herself
that she was thankful that she actually had a job.

(01:20:36):
And for many people, of course, last year, whether you're
in the public or the private sector, there was job
losses and job cuts and I know some might still
be continuing. So I think that might be the first
thing I would say is count your blessings. If you've
got a job, then be thankful for it. Maybe it's
not the best job that you've ever had, and maybe
you want to change and that's okay, but be thankful
that you've actually got a job, because many people don't

(01:20:59):
or at least lost their job last year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
My guest as Doogle Sutherland, principal psychologist and CEO of
Umbrella Well being no very good point you make, their Doogle,
And if it's not the job you want, you've got
all the time in the years to make some plans
to get the job you do want. But it is
always good just to go hang on a minute, you know. Yeah,
the world's not falling apart. I've still got my job.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
The world's done.

Speaker 19 (01:21:22):
I've still got a job, I've still got some income. Look,
I think if you have got a job, then then
one thing I really liked to do, and I did
it earlier in the week, was plan out your holidays
for the year as best as you can. And I
know there are lots of hacks around this, like hacks,
I mean, And one thing I like to do is
have a look through the year. When are the public

(01:21:43):
holidays falling? Can I take a day, you know, before
that to convert a three day weekend into an actual
four day weekend, which feels a bit bigger. When are
the big gaps? Like I noticed, there's a big gap
from July to October where there are antni public holidays
at all. So make sure that you've got some leave
scheduled into those times. I try and make sure that

(01:22:04):
I'm taking some time off, even if it to day
about every six weeks, just to keep those batteries recharged. Otherwise,
you know, the year gets busy, your diary gets filled,
and by the time you know it, you go, oh gee,
it's it's October and I haven't taken any leave, so
do a bit of planning ahead. That would be my
second tip. My third tip would be, and I started
doing this myself a couple of years ago, make a

(01:22:27):
daily list and imagine there are three columns in this list.
So you've got you have to do things. Those are
things obviously that you know you've got to go today.
Then the second or the second column is hope to
what are the things that I hope to do today.
I don't have to do them, and if I get
to them, it's great. And the third column, this is
this is the key one, I think, is what do

(01:22:47):
I love? What am I going to do today that
I love to do today? And that might just be
one thing. It might be something that you're doing at work,
or it might be something you're doing at home or
with the family or in the evening. But make sure
that at least once a day there's something that's filling
up your your cup of goodness of well being, that's
something that you're actually enjoying, because I think otherwise, if

(01:23:09):
we're just doing all the have tos, we can sometimes
feel a bit drained by the time we come to
the end.

Speaker 9 (01:23:14):
Of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
That makes a list a lot more appealing, and it
makes it it sort of makes you want to encourage
to write the list for the next day. That taking
a bit of a pressure off with the with the
have to and the hope to as well.

Speaker 19 (01:23:26):
It does Yeah, And I think you can go back
and track it and say, oh, have I done anything
that I've loved to do in the last day or two?
Oor g, I haven't, I think too. You know, as
we talked about force that it would be just take
some time to reflect on the year. What did you
learn from it, particularly if it was a time of
change for you. I think often when we've been through

(01:23:47):
a big time of change, our tendency is to just
sort of try and forget about it. God, that was awful.
I just don't want to think about it again. But
if it's if it's if you're okay emotionally to go
back there and it's it's not too distressing, go back
and think about Okay, Actually, let's have a look at
the year. What what what did I learn from the year?

(01:24:07):
What if I was confronted with a similar situation again
in the future, what would I do the same? And
is there anything that I would not do? Is there
any sort of lessons that I've learned from this year
that I would not want to repeat and sort of
use those as a guiding list as to how you
perhaps might approach the next big change that's going to

(01:24:29):
come up in life.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Whenever I read doogle about happiness and things, and you
look at some of the extremely long longevity studies which
take place in the United States and things. They'll often
say to you when they've looked at generations of people
that the thing that makes them most happy at the
end of the day, it's not money or what they
achieved or anything like that. It's the connections and the

(01:24:54):
relationships that they have with people in their lives. And
I see that this is kind of your fifth tip.

Speaker 19 (01:25:00):
Yeah, absolutely, I think you know, relationships are key and
they glue us together over but not all relationships are
created equal, and sometimes relationship the quality ones. Yeah, sometimes
we're in relationships that maybe don't bring out the best
in us, or that we're simply kind of you know,

(01:25:22):
we're in because we kind of feel a sense of obligation,
and weirdly, one of my tips is actually, think about,
are there any relationships that perhaps aren't the best for
you to be in? And maybe should you think about
just not ghosting somebody, but just sort of turning down
the heat on a relationship. Are there any relationships that

(01:25:42):
you kind of think, actually, when I'm around this person
that doesn't always go well, I kind of don't really
enjoy it. We don't really get anything out of it.
And actually maybe it's not one that I want to
invest a lot of time. And look, it's okay to
do that. I mean, do it politely, do it kindly,
and I say, you don't have to ghost people. But
maybe it's there comes to times sometimes when we want

(01:26:04):
to focus on the quality, as you mentioned, rather than
the quantity. So that might be another thing for people
to consider as they go into this new year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Wonderful tips for us. Thank you so much, Doogle. Nice
to catch up with your doggle as a principal psychologist
and CEO of Umbrella Well Being. Up next, we're off
to blend them with Mike Yardley Travel.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
With Windy Woo Tours. Where the world is yours for now?

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Mike Yardi joins us now to talk travel.

Speaker 20 (01:26:31):
Good morning, Good morning, Francisca. Happing you here. You must
feel like you're working eight days a week.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
I might be starting to count down now, I've got yeah,
no next next Sunday. I'm I'm working every day on
through till next Sunday and then I get a week off.
But I've had a lovely summer. I've had a great summer.
I've done all sorts of different shows, and I loved
talking to lots of our listeners on summer afternoons. And
you know, I've had a ball loving.

Speaker 20 (01:26:59):
That good stuff. Yeah, good stuff. You're doing God's work.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Well, not really, but thank you very much. Mike Hey.
Blenham gorgeous place, especially around this time of the year.
Let's start with the wine scene, shall.

Speaker 20 (01:27:13):
We, definitely? And I think if you're looking for the
ultimate place to dine in Blenhim, I think it's hard
to beat with a Hell's celador and restaurant. Because the
namesake Winery adorns those biscuit brown hells, you get the
most panoramic views across the Waida Plain. And when it
comes to Winery Finery, what I love about the venue

(01:27:36):
is that it is just the elemental brilliance of with
a Hell's cracking spot for lunch. In fact, don't miss
the parmesan Barantini Francesca. I think that is the hits
for lunch there, and you can swallow among the vines
in the vine library, which showcases several dozen varieties that

(01:27:56):
with the Hell's pumps out best of all. The barrel hall.
I just think you something incredible about the combined scent
of oak and yet, which is what sort of consumes
you when you go in the barrel hall at weather Hills.
But obviously you need to have a bit of a
wine tasting, and I would go with a single vineyard
wine flight at weather Hells because obviously they do very

(01:28:18):
good sobernon blanc, but they also do excellent pen and wire.
And what I love about the pin and wire is
it's very fruit ford, very light bodied pinot, bursting with
plums and cherries and oak spice and all those good
summary things. And if you need bubbles, they also collaborate
a lot with daniel lebron so you can go wrong

(01:28:39):
with a bit of Daniels bubbles.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
We're getting the travel and wind all in one today.
The great thing is, as you mentioned it as a plane,
and I do that's when that's when I get on
a bike. When there's a plan.

Speaker 20 (01:28:52):
Oh my goodness, it is quite.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
A lovely area to travel around via bike, isn't it?

Speaker 20 (01:28:57):
Tailor made for it? Absolutely? I hoked up with Explore
marlbra and they do really good wine tours, so you
can do like your self guided to on a trusty
bike or vike if you're feeling rather leisurely. They also
do sort of guided to us by vehicle if you
want to actually go beyond the White O Plane and
to say, like the Arb Terri Valley and so forth.

(01:29:18):
But yeah, kick yourself out with a bike and over
the next few hours just total your way around White
O Plane. He's actually this fantastic stop bank on the
white O River which is close to Vines Village and
mcanna Chocolates if you so fancy. And the really cool
thing about riding along that stop bank, Francesca is you

(01:29:40):
get a little bit of elevation, so you just get
an even broader, more expensive view across all of the
all of the vineyards, just you coolically, it is just gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Any other special stomps.

Speaker 20 (01:29:54):
I really fell in love with Hans hr Zog Estate.
It's one of New Zealand's most acclaimed wineries. It's fully
organic and hands himself. He planted the Pinot Gree and
the Vignier and the mold Monty Paul jar nol over
thirty years ago and these will all actually really seen

(01:30:16):
varieties back in the day thirty years ago. And it's
such an intimate vineyard, so you can, you know, take
a wander around the vinyard and you really feel it
one with the whole hands Huzog spirit. The wine tastings
there are just so elegantly presented quite sort of high
end without being pretentious, if you know what I mean.

(01:30:37):
But you just feel like you're somewhere really special. And
they're all small batch, artisan wines snapped up by discerning
wine lovers worldwide. Most of his wine ends up, you know,
in Europe and North America.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Wonderful. But it's not just all about the grape.

Speaker 20 (01:30:52):
Is it that if you want to swap your wine
fort some bears. Blenham has a thriving craft scene and
I love Boomtown Brewing Company. They do fabulous easy king
kraft bears and between now and until the end of
April they've got this fabulous beer garden at Forest Wine.

(01:31:13):
So it's called Boomtown in the Forest, very park like
setting at Forest Data wines and Yeah fresh tap bears,
sun relaxed fibes and the warmer months right through the April.
It's I must do. Also check out DNA Brewery and
I'm also a big fan of Moa Brewery once again,
shady lawns, lots of food trucks. What I love about

(01:31:35):
Moa is they have kept all of their products affordable,
accessible and sessionable, and they're always switching up their repertoire.
I think this has got your name on it, Francesco
Apple and Rhubarb's Cider. So this is like a very
sort of delicate tart flavor, very crisp cider. It sings
happy summer days. It's kind of like the cider equivalent

(01:31:58):
of a glass of Rose's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Time to get thirsty. I've also had a lot of
people talk about the Roots gin shack. That's really popular too,
isn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:32:07):
Ah, It's a runaway hit and Roots is one of
our biggest global award winning gin so bea Drive Gen
won the World's Best Gin in twenty twenty three at
the World Gin Awards. So about a year or so
ago they opened up this magnificent tasting room. It's at
Vines village got a garden setting, so once again very
family friendly. But it's such a cool place to go

(01:32:30):
and just get a signature g and t or a
a grony. They have all sorts of seasonal cocktails in
the tasting room and also some really nice eats, so
they've collaborated with a team behind Boom Spice, Sauce and barbecue.
So on a hot day you can just chill out
with some small plates, few gins, maybe a few cocktails,

(01:32:52):
and if it's really hot, I would recommend you go
with a greape fruit and gin sorbet. That is very restorative.
I can assure you and Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Look, if you've got some room left in your stoach
and you've got a bit of energy, what would you
suggest for dinner?

Speaker 20 (01:33:07):
I would go with Frank's Oyster Bar and Ethory. So
this is in Scott Street, downtown Blenham, under the command
of Sam Webb, who is a local hero. It's got
a real old school New York bar vibe Frank's Oyster
Bar and Ethery, lots of tiles, lots of industrial light fixtures.
But despite its name that they do so much more
than just Marlborough's magnificent mollusks, so their sheer plates run

(01:33:30):
the gamut from marino, lamb shoulder and grilled zucchini to
chicken venus and sliders. And if you can choose, and
I did for Struggle, I would say just plump for
Frank EAT's option and he'll just keep you happy all night.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Oh look, Mike, thank you for you know, putting the
body on the line and eating and drinking your way
around Blener for us all.

Speaker 20 (01:33:54):
What a great Francesca, what a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
Thanks so much, Mike, and for more tips on sipping
and nothing your way through Blenham. Mike's article is on
the website news Dog zb dot coded in Z food
Flash Lifestyle, would Slasher travel. It is twenty six past.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Jason Pine is coming up at midday with weekend sport
and he joins me now from the Sale GP headquarters.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
How are you doing, Poney, very very well.

Speaker 21 (01:34:39):
One of the perks of the job days like this,
sitting in the media center at Sale GP looking out
on Waititamata Harbor. The finish line for sale GP is
just off to my left slightly. It is an amazing
scene down here. The vibe around the place, with racing
still over four hours away from beginning, is palpable.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
They call it formula one on the water.

Speaker 21 (01:35:03):
Just can't wait to see what happens this afternoon and
again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
And what are you expecting?

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Wind wise, Well, it's an easterly.

Speaker 21 (01:35:10):
I can tell you that I've I've become an amateur
meteorologist in the last little while. The wind is good
for sailing. It's all signs point to it being an
exciting afternoon. I think the win's supposed to get up
a little bit more tomorrow, but I'm reasonably positive it
won't get to a point where they have to look
at calling anything off. I think we're in for two,

(01:35:33):
you know, big days of racing. What it will do
is make these boats go very, very fast. They're on
new foils, the t foils they're called, made out of titanium.
They've been testing them over the last little while, and
in practice they're getting up towards one hundred kilometers per hour.
No boat's ever gone that fast in competition in sol GP.
But I get the feeling that this afternoon, if the

(01:35:55):
wind is right and the situation, you know, gets itself,
you know, all correct, we're going to see boats going
at more than one hundred kilometers an hour on white
to out of harbor this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
Quite spectacular, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
So the sailing kicks off around four pm, I believe,
but the gate's open to the grand stand around one
or one thirty. So what do people do in the meantime?
Is there entertainment there or is there do you just
all kind of.

Speaker 21 (01:36:19):
Where you can do some You can do anticipation, you
can do some celebrity spotting. I know there are people
asking where Francesca is so that they can tick you
off their bingo card of celebrity spots.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
I was actually really keen to go, but I left
it very last minute to get my tickets. So this
week when I looked at tickets, it was going to
cost me three hundred and seventy dollars for two tickets.
And to be honest with you, Pineyer, I don't know
how much you earn, but I just couldn't quite stretch
to that. So I'm going to be. I'm going to
be loving it probably well, probably from Itali, unless I
can find some interesting place to watch it from. But
it's not like the America's cupposite. This is an event

(01:36:51):
which happens in a very particular place, hence the grandstand.
Hence that's really where you get to see it in.

Speaker 21 (01:36:57):
All at glory and the fact that the boats go
so close to the shore, so close that you can
see the expressions on the sailor's faces. If you really
strain your ear and the wind's coming in the right direction,
which it will be, you'll be able to hear them
shouting at one another on these boats. It's it really
is the spectacle of the thing, which is the attraction
of it. An eight thousand seat temporary grandstand has been built,

(01:37:19):
Every ticket has been sold. It is going to be
absolutely incredible this up in the New Years. That's three.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
You sorted it beautifully because you're a ver at three,
but just happened to be there or time for four?

Speaker 21 (01:37:30):
What it was saying, I had a chat to Sir Russell,
I had a chat to Sir Rustle, and Sir looks Russell.
My show goes from twelve to three, so if racing
could start at four, that would be absolutely perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
No, because you are the voice of football in this
country and all grenef seat is playing. I presume you
have to go. You have to keep working.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
There are some divided there are some divided responsibilities. I'll
give you that. I'll give you that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Okay, So glad to see lost some of its momentum.

Speaker 21 (01:37:54):
Well, they've only won one in the last five, so
I guess you'd say yes, given the fact they won
their first six in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
I don't think it's catastrophic.

Speaker 21 (01:38:01):
If they win against Melbourne City later on today, they'll
go back to the top of the table, so you know,
it's not I don't think the backside has fallen out
of the football club. But you know they've you know,
peaks and troughs. Any sports team goes through peaks and
troughs and it is a long season. But no, I
don't think there's any need to panic for Auckland FC fans.
Another big crowd I'm sure in coming at go Media

(01:38:23):
Stadium this afternoon when they take on Melbourne City, who
are currently top. So effectively it's the top of the
table clash. Really, I think they'll be Okay, they'd want
to get a goal. Haven't got one of those in
the last couple of games. But yeah, I think they'll
be all right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Jason Pine, the hardest working man in sports journalism. Thank
you so much for your time. Appreciate it. Hey, enjoy
your afternoon. Ponty be with you at midday. It'd be
really interesting to hear him just talk about how this
whole event is unfolding in Auckland. And of course he'll
be commentating the Auckland FC versus Melbourne City game that's
kickoff is at five pm this afternoon. Yeah, good busy man,

(01:38:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Right, if you have finished reading all the books that
you were giving for Christmas and you're looking for a
new read, Catherine Rains is with us now with some
great suggestions. Good morning, Catherine morning, How are you very good?
Very good? Happy a year you too, So what have
you got for us today?

Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
So?

Speaker 22 (01:39:28):
I've got One Dark Night by Hannah Rochelle and this
is set and this very small English visions called Sorcombe
and it's nestled in the woods and there's a private
school there and it kind of has the sort of
adventurous spirits around the woods and some stories that float
around and because of this, on the night of Halloween,
many of the young people in towns sneak away from

(01:39:50):
their homes to attend the party in the woods, and
costumes are worn and jokes are played and everybody's having
a good time. But then that party ends in tragedy
when the body of a teenager, Sarah is found in
the woods after the party, and she attended the local
exclusive school and the investigating detective then Chase has a
daughter in the same year level Ali and his ex

(01:40:12):
wife Rachel is the student counselor, and there's plenty of
suspects from within the school and the local community, and
there's this whole web of lies and secrets and it's
least a desperate to find the killer. And then because
of his connections as the detective, because of his connections
with the school, he gets taken off the case. And
there's lots of twists and turns and lots of very

(01:40:33):
unlikable characters, and that Aerie Woods and the Halloween are
a really good mix. Along with that no shortage of
very questionable characters makes a very intriguing and good thriller.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
Read Oh, it does sound like a good thrill. I
can kind of see that playing out in the TV
show already, Catherine, we look, I can too.

Speaker 22 (01:40:52):
That kind of whole atmosphere and Halloween sort of element
to it leads itself to that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Tell Me about the Wedding Party by Rebecca Heath.

Speaker 22 (01:41:00):
This is another quite suspenseful and atmospheric thriller. And this
is set in the backdrop of an Australian seaside town
and it blends the past and the present through these
different perspectives of the characters. And Adele and Jason are
these childhood friends and are returned to their seaside town
to tie the knot. But it's not really a celebration

(01:41:21):
of which you kind of expect because Adele's first love, Olie,
tragically died there about twelve years ago and his memory
as part of many of the guests memories as well,
and among them is his mum, who's grieving and unstable,
and she adds this layer of tension am ambiguity and
his sisters there, and she takes us back in time,

(01:41:41):
and she kind of reveals the parts of the tragic
past that the ramification through the present, and it moves
between the wedding and his death, and those alternative points
of views between Adele who's getting married and Melanie and
the present and so for Sophie in the past, and
somebody trying to savage the wedding and sabotage the wedding,

(01:42:01):
and lots of kind of immediate family members that are
doing some very weird things. And everybody at this wedding
has their own secrets and they don't and why they
don't want Jason and Adele to Mary. And she keeps
finding threatening messages and he keeps getting threatening texts, and
all sorts of things start to go wrong, and that's
really just the beginning of where the wedding party starts.
And yeah, she's atmospheric thriller.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
She loves an ensemble cast, really, doesn't she, Rebecca Heath,
it must be very prolific. Wasn't that long ago we
were talking about the summer party and the dinner party.

Speaker 22 (01:42:31):
No, No, it doesn't feel like that long ago. I
think she's sort of writing a book every seven or
eight months, which is pretty quick. But yeah, I like
the way that her kind of suspenseful and the atmospheric
tension that she manages to get in her novels is
very intriguing.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Oh, thanks so much, Catherine. Those two books that Catherine
mentioned One Dark Night by Hannah Rachelle and also The
Wedding Party by Rebecca Heath. You may be a fan
of some of her previous books, the ones I just mentioned,
they're The Summer Party and The Dinner Party. Mar's text
to say, any dolphins, No, man, we're not going there.
We're just going to bridge. We're just going to forget

(01:43:09):
about dolphin Gate when it comes to sale GP, and
we're going to cross our fingers and hope that there
nothing holds up the sailing on the harbor of the
so afternoon. We just want some good wind and some
exciting racing, don't we And hopefully no dolphins. Yes, now
that has don't worry, Martzen has crossed our minds. So

(01:43:33):
thank you for your text.

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Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
As David Gray. The song is called Fighting Talk. It's
from his new album that was out on Friday called
Dear Life. And I've joined up by the Fabulous. It's
still Clemifered to have a chat about the album. How
are you still? Happy New Year?

Speaker 11 (01:45:03):
Happy New Year to your Francesca. Here we are back
in the mix and listening to some great shows, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
And some good music out. I'm hearing you. Look, I
had a quick lock and this seems to be People
are liking this album. It's his first since twenty twenty one.

Speaker 11 (01:45:18):
Yeah, it is, And I like to be honest, I
haven't always stayed with David Gray of those people who yeah, yeah, yeah,
like you know that big album in the early two thousands,
and it had babbled on on it. You know, everyone
was sort of taken away with what he was doing then,
and there's kind of been all the in between stuff,
and I'm sure there's been some great releases, but this
is the album that I think probably it's quite in

(01:45:38):
respect to what he's doing with his voice and his
music is quite similar to the the album that I
think got everybody kind of on board with him suddenly enough.
Actually the album is I'm trying to think what it's
called White Letter. There we go, Yes, and the net
didn't have the chout for like three years later, and
I think it was amazing, Like that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Released in nineteen ninety eight, but I think, like you,
we think of it as a sort of an early
two thousands album and then it just stuck around forever.

Speaker 11 (01:46:03):
I rocket and Yeah, he re released it and I
think had a different label that pushed it differently. That
song there you had fighting talk, the backing vocals and harmonies,
that's his daughter Florence. I think is yeah, really cool,
Like he's really opening up his scope of what he's
doing with his music. I think that his producer is
really good at saying, hey, let's add some other layers,
let's add some other people. There's another really great song

(01:46:26):
on here that he teams up with TARLIEA Ray plus
and minus that I think you'll play really soon. And
her voice, like so she's an upcoming UK artist that
he's sort of got in touch with, and she's added
her vocals and it just makes it quite fresh, you
know that, Like their voices blean together really well, and
then she sort of does a little bit of the
bridge and chorus herself.

Speaker 17 (01:46:47):
But there's just.

Speaker 11 (01:46:48):
Something about adding some of those younger voices and younger
artists that just I guess pushes those artists who have
been doing it for a while to try some stuff out.
But again also just some new beautiful ways to showcase people,
which I think is great.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
I'm a little bit like you, to be honest with you.
When I heard this was the first album since twenty
twenty one, my first thought was, oh, did you release
an album in twenty twenty one. I thought it was
a little later for that, to be honest, No, it was.

Speaker 11 (01:47:11):
Weird too because he did release an album, but he
was actually rehearsing for the White Letter twentieth anniversary tour,
and then of course the lockdowns happened. So I think
I got swallowed up, you know, like a few musicians
will say that anything they were releasing around that kind
of time, as people were coming out of lockdowns or
going in it did sort of get a little bit
lost and murky. And I think what's ended up happening

(01:47:33):
is he's kind of gone back to his original routs
and where it's come from from songwriting and sort of
part of that one and move forward with what he's
got going on now.

Speaker 6 (01:47:43):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:47:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
So I read that he sort of when he was
practicing for that twenty year anniversary tour, the White Ladder
album kind of was the inspiration for this album. So
is it Is it musically the inspiration or was it lyrically?
Because I hear that he sort of mentioned that this
is an album of emotional crisis and resolution. Yeah, so,

(01:48:06):
oh my, was it more sort of the was it
more so the emotional lyrical tone of White Letter that
inspired him all the music?

Speaker 11 (01:48:14):
I think it was the music. I think going back
to that thing that he does where he's quite poetic
in his writing of lyrics, but he's also really good
at just sitting with a melody and finding those catchy
hooks that go with it. So I think that's the bit,
and that's why I say going back to kind of basics.
Although White Letter was like the third or fourth album
or something, it's the one that really resonated with people
and sometimes you just have to show. I guess maybe

(01:48:37):
he wrote more songs with just him and a guitar
or him in a piano, and then he put the
layers on after. So I think that's kind of where
it's at. Actually, the plus and minor single that you'll
play soon, I'm pretty sure that's also a song he
said he's actually been working on for a couple of decades,
but it never hits like he just couldn't find what
the end it was or what the specialness of it was,

(01:48:58):
and so I think bringing in that other vocalist, changing
up his producer to give it a little bit of
a new sound, finally he's like, okay, perhaps trying to
write something too emotional that he hadn't actually experienced yet
twenty years later.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
So it's a little bit like if you're a little
bit like me and you know there's been a bit
of a gap in your David Gray, but you remember
that White Lady, you know, that album that paved the
way for your Ed Sheeran's Adele's, James Blunt and everything
like that. Yeah, this is potentially a really nice album
to kind of come back to David Gray on.

Speaker 11 (01:49:26):
Yeah, I think it is, and it's really great. He's
got some beautiful piano intros. There's some real acoustic guitar
stuff which is quite a lot Bbylon and all those
kind of songs and a lot of that sort of stuff.
But then there's some really big production where there's a
full brass section. It feels very musiciany, but like one
that would be amazing to tour. So I think it

(01:49:46):
will feel like if you haven't had much of the
in between stuff, you haven't missed this, you know, you'll
understand where he's at with this album. And I really
like that. I think it's also one of those albums
perhaps for like it too, and I think you will
as well, for the fact that you kind of have
to re listen to it a few times to get,
you know, some of that poetic meaning and some of
what he's actually talking about on the journeys in the songs,

(01:50:08):
and some of them are a little bit slow and
you know, quite melancholy. And then there's the ones that
feel like he's put an upbeat groove even if they
are commenting on something quite big that's happened in life.
And so I just think that that kind of stuff
is sort of what captures people and makes you enjoy it.
There's some really real edgy, cool minor chord changes that
he makes midway in a song, and that always gives

(01:50:29):
me a bit of goosebumps when I hear. You're like, oh,
it's so nice, and you just want to listen to
it over and over again. So there's lots of those
reasons to keep revisiting. And then at the very end
of the album, I can't think what it's called, the
First Stone. I think it's a real sleepy ambient number
to finish off the album, and it's one of those

(01:50:49):
ones if you just need to chill out, take a
step back and a breath, like that's the kind of yeah,
just a real beautifully produced song. So that's a really
good listen, which it's kind of it just thing to
sort of have a dreamy end to an album, but
you know, I think he can kind of get away
with it. There's something really magic and beautiful about it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
So even though we have been looking back and comparing
it to White Leather in that album's impact, on this
particular album, it still sounds current. It's is he does
it still sound sort of a little bit unique to
David Gray.

Speaker 11 (01:51:22):
I think it does, and I think because his voice
will always give it that standout thing where you know
that it's his voice. I think that just having a
new like new producers working on it. I think also
adding there's a little bit of electronic pop production through
some of the songs, some of the upbeat tempos that
is used, perhaps given it more of that modern edge.
But it still stands out for the fact that I

(01:51:43):
think we all want to hear a song that has
a little bit of feeling and meaning to it. Yeah,
we don't always just want the you know, flowery, the
flowery easy stuff. Sometimes it's nice to kind of knuckle
down and get stuck into a song. And I think
the way he's layered what he's good at doing and
then adding all these upbeat jams to some of it.
I think that's kind of made it, you know, sort
of one of those classic albums. You can kind of

(01:52:04):
put it into any kind of decade and oh yeah
that kind of works here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Yeah yeah, Istelle, what's your rating for it? Out of ten?

Speaker 11 (01:52:11):
I'm going to give it an eight out of ten.
I think it's a good listen, but do it a
couple of times so you can really start to hear
those lyrics and fall in love with us those crazy mincords.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Always good to start the year with an eight out
of ten, A.

Speaker 11 (01:52:23):
Stelle, excellent, I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Oh, thank you so much for your time and for
taking a listen. So the album is called Dear Life
from David Gray, and we're going to play another track
from the album for you after the break.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
It is seven to twelve, A cracking way to start
your Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
B Thank you so much for joining us this morning
on Saturday Mornings. Thank you to Kerry for producing the show.
I'm going to be back with you tomorrow. This Sunday
Session is back for its first show of the year,
and David Baldacci is going to join me, the Master
of Suspense and the legal thriller. He is with me
to talk about banning books adult literacy and the importance

(01:53:08):
of it and why he gets death threats threats what
he writes. I'm sure that many of you will have
picked up one of his new books over the summer
and enjoyed it. And he is actually heading to New
Zealand at the end of January for a writer's session,
so really keen to talk to him tomorrow about his
extraordinary career of a fifty box and children's box so

(01:53:31):
just just amazing. So he's on the show tomorrow. Join
us from nine where you're going to finish the show
with a little bit more music from David Gray. And
don't forget, David Gray will be with Jack Tame next week,
so you'll be able to learn why he's been in
an emotional crisis and resolution where that's all come from.
So make sure you join Jack next Saturday. This song
is called plus and minus Enjoy I'll see them own morning.

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