Full Show Podcast: 18 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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More in a Good Morning New Zealand, Welcome to News
Dog ed V. I'm Jack Tame with you through to
midday today. You know how marmalade divides people? It does.
It divides people. Some people love it, some people not
so much. Personally, I'm yeah, I'm a fan. I can't
like anything sweet, but I understand why some people aren't,

(01:05):
if that makes sense, Like I'm into it, yes, but
if you said to me I'm not a fan of marmalade,
I wouldn't think that was crazy if you get my
drift anyway. The reason I'm pontificating on this is before
ten o'clock we have a delicious sounding recipe, at least
for those of us who are marmalade fans. Little marmalade cakes.
We're by the flavor of marmalade. Just a subtle little

(01:25):
flavor of marmalade has spread throughout the cake. So we're
going to share that with you very soon. As well
as that, I'm going to tell you about a brand
new movie starring Silly and Murphy. And then after ten
o'clock it is confession time on news talks. He'd be
my celebrity crush has a brand new show. I'm not
going to tell you who she is just yet, but
I'll tell you about her show after ten o'clock this morning.
Right now, it is eight minutes past nine Jack Team.

(01:49):
I flew to Graymouth the morning after Pike River First Blue.
I was there in and out for several weeks, and
I keenly remember those first few days of waiting. Yeah,
like those first few days of hope, you know, checking
our phones and checking our phones and checking our phones.

(02:12):
It's a cliche, I know, but time moves so slowly
when you're watching a clock, and that's what I remember.
I remember the calculations, how much air might there be,
how much water could they have? How much food? I
remember the international media pouring into Graymouth, And I remember
the despair on the Wednesday afternoon when the families were

(02:34):
called in for an update. The mine had blown again
and the men were all dead. One of the great
privileges of being a journalist and being a reporter is
that you get to meet heaps of interesting people, and
you get to experience heaps of different things. And I've
certainly had more than my fish year of kind of

(02:54):
pinch myself moments over the years, you know. But for
all the elections and Olympics and Donald Trump rallies that
I've been lucky enough to attend, the most memorable afternoons
of my life was the afternoon of the Pike River Memorial.
And you might recall it from back in twenty ten,

(03:15):
so it was less than a fortnight after the men
went missing. They had this big public event at a
racecourse just out of town in Greymouth. But instead of going,
I decided to stay the afternoon in Graymouth. And I've
never experienced anything like it. It was empty, empty, like

(03:40):
hauntingly empty. Not a car, not an open shop, not
a soul. You could walk down the painted line in
the middle of the main road because there was no one.
Everyone was gone, because in a sense, a piece of
everyone was gone. The loss was absolute. The whole thing

(04:03):
still seems a bit surreal to me. Has obviously never
been the safest industry, and the coast has more than
its share of tragic history hidden in its magnificent bush
covered valleys, but that almost every player on a rugby
pitch could go in for a shift and then never
come home. In modern New Zealand, that's still shocking to me.

(04:26):
I watched Pike River the film this week. I found
it very affecting. It's interesting to note that director Rob
Saki's also directed Out of the Blue, the film about Atamuana.
He waited sixteen years after the massacre to make and
release that film, and he's waited almost as long for
Pike River. He's really got a knack for sensitively telling

(04:50):
some of the most painful but important modern New Zealand stories.
But there's a big and obvious difference between Out of
the Blue and Pike River. The Pike River story still
isn't over. Police and the crowns that are still deciding
whether to lay criminal charges after all of those days,

(05:12):
waiting to see if their boys might have somehow survived
all of those weeks and then months and then years,
to see if the mind could be re entered, if
they could recover the remains of their loved ones. The
families of the Pike twenty nine are still waiting. The
media left town and away, the world moved on around them.

(05:34):
But you get the sense after fifteen years, the little
part of Graymouth is still hollowed out, kind of like
I experienced on that afternoon, still waiting for justice. Jack
Team ninety two. Ninety two is our text number. If
you want to send us some messages this morning, don't

(05:57):
forget the standard text costs apply. You can email me
as well. Jacket Newsork was hedb dot co dot nz
is my email address and after ten o'clock in the
studio with us, Anna Osborne and Sonya Rockass the inspiration
for the Pike River film. One of the things about
the film, and I don't want to give too much
away this morning, but one of the things that I
think they did a really good job with the Pike

(06:19):
River film was not sent to the whole thing on
the disaster itself. So that is obviously the kind of context,
and the first part of the film focuses on what happened,
but it's very much about the relationship between these two women,
between Anna and Sonya. Sonya who lost her son, Anna
who lost her husband. And so they're going to be

(06:40):
with us in studio after ten this morning. Kevin Man
will kick us off next It's thirteen minutes past nine
Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is News Talks. He'd be.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News talks'd be sixteen minutes
past nine.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Thank you for your feedback this morning. Peter has emailed
me this morning to say Jack, those were moving comments
about Pike River. I cannot believe it's fifteen years since
the disaster. Those families have been well and truly let
down by the system. Can't wait to see the film though.
The film is Yeah, it's really affecting for all New Zealanders.

(07:19):
I think it's also beautiful, like beautiful. It has this
incredible opening, the shots of the West Coast that it's
just like, oh my god, it's just a stunning part
of the country. I'll get to more of you comments
in a few minutes ninety two ninety two if you
want to send us a text. Kevin Milner's here with
us this morning. Kilder, Kevin Cilder, Jack.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I'm looking forward to seeing the packer of the film too.
I'm falling behind a bit with the New Zealand movies.
I haven't seen Prime Minister and the movie about an artists.
We both love Robin White. Yeah seen that yet?

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I haven't seen either of those documentaries either, which is shocking.
So I'm with you. I've got an excuse to Kevin.
I've got an eight month on home at home, you've
got no exchess. I have to get a rig along.
But you've got a story for us this week about
meeting someone where you least expected it.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, it's as you probably know, Jack, I love to
tell an anecdote, and sometimes the anecdots and themselves mean
very little, but I'm hoping that the listeners will find
them moderately interesting. One day, about ten years ago, I
was sitting in a cafe not far from where we
lived in Rayklurungi on the coveredy coast, sort of out

(08:32):
of the way really, and I was having a coffee.
Then an odd thing happened. I heard someone at a
table behind me go and it was so weird that
I chose not to turn around. This could only be
some sort of odd ball. Next I hear in a
loud sort of stage whisper coming my way.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Hey Hey.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
It was the soft voice.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Of an elderly man. He clearly felt that he knew me,
but couldn't remember my name. I turned around and got
a hell of a shock. It was a man I'd
never met before, Jim Bolger, three term Prime Minister of
New Zealand, New Zealand Ambassador to the US and at
the time, I think, Chairman of New Zealand Post. What

(09:21):
the hell was Gentleman Jim, the Great Helmsman as he
was known, and one of New Zealand's most successful leaders,
doing sitting at a table on his own in a
modest little cafe in my neck of the woods. More
to the point, why was he trying to get my
attention in this most unusual way. The answer to those

(09:45):
questions were one, he had just bought a retirement home
in why Ca and I near where I lived, and
he didn't know many locals. Two, as he pointed out
after it had invited me over to his table, silly,
we should both be sitting on our own, separate tables
when we both know who the the person is. I

(10:09):
was lated to discover that that comment in always some
Jim Bolger up, pragmatic, unpretentious, speaks his mind friendly And
I was going to actually say, and your producers pointed
it out, and I think you were happily came to
my rescue.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
I was going to call.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Him Sir Jim Bulger, but he turned down that, yeah,
offered is that right?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, yeah, he turned it down because of his Irish
Catholic groups and yes, and he said no, I don't know,
it would be my twoper would be turning in their graves.
They knew that I took a knight over from the Queen.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I'd always considered Jim Bolgier to be a rather predictable politician,
a conservative, rural nat. I think he used to be
called Potato or spud or something while he was alf
alongside Labour's leader David LONGI he might have appeared even
dull anyone would, But in retirement I thought he was magnificent.

(11:11):
He had this to say, Jack, in retirement, as I
look across the world and observe poverty and injustice and
climate change, I'm not convinced we're working hard enough. He
then quotes John F. Kennedy. If a free society, he
cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save

(11:31):
the few who are rich. Jim Bolger pointed out that
in a speech that I actually heard him give, that
the party Harker movement should be studied if the world
wants peace.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
It had accepted large.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Numbers of refugees from the land wars and then instead
of fighting, declared there was enough for all. He said,
if the world embraced that philosophy, we would at last
be moving towards peace.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
So he was.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
He is a conservative man, but gush, he he flowed
I think when he retired. Yeah, and and got to
speak his mind about it around the different things uninhabited
by political parties, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
Yeah, So Jim Bolder.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Are a great prime minister and miss is a great
fellow retiree.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, that's a lovely story, Kevin. You know what I
love about it. It's just it's so New Zealand. There
are a handful of countries at most where that would happen,
you know.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
Just just sitting there and you gets by a former
prime minister who's sitting behind you, and both of you know,
and it's just it's relaxed enough that he can say, well, look,
you know we've never met, but I know who you
are and you know who I am, both of Nicola Woods.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
I come and join me for as gone.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
You know, only Jim Bolder would say that you know
who I am, I know you you are. It's sort
of at the same table.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's lovely. Yeah, and I think you're right. I think
I think so. I Jim Boulder was the first prime minister.
I can remember. I was born in eighty seven, right,
so I can I can remember hearing Jim Bolder on
the radio and things. And you know, as a child,
you don't really have a comprehensive sense of what politics
is and how power works and governing and all that

(13:18):
kind of thing. But my sense from my position now
is that he is someone who has consistently been led
by his principles and that as you kind of alluded
to that, in the years after he left office, I
think more and more people came to appreciate him for

(13:42):
the leader he was, you know, like it's one of
those people that, with the fullness of time and when
you kind of get out of the day to day
sparring of politics, people go, you know what, actually that
guy is an extraordinary leader and is really respects to that.
So yeah, well said, thank you so much, Kevin, have
a great weekend and we will catch again very Soona,
and thank you for your messages. This morning, beautifully said

(14:04):
this morning, Jack said Marina. Appreciate that Marine Jack. I've
never lived in Greymouth or even visited the place, but
every time I hear the words Pike River, my ears
open tears. Well in my eyes, you're opening comments this morning.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
We're brilliant.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well said says Kevin. Thanks Kevin, Can I just say
Kevin as and Kevin, who's just texted me go to Graymouth. Honestly,
the South Islmand's west coast is fantastic. Have you never
been to the west coast of the South It is remarkable.
So much of it is kind of like a land
before time. You know, you can just be going along
stretches where you see no sign of human beings anywhere,
and you know you've got the bush meeting the sea,

(14:39):
incredible vistas and mountains. It really is a gorgeous part
of the country. Right in a couple of minutes, we'll
catch up with our sport. I get his thoughts on
the silver ferns in that final quarter. Well, I don't
want to say meltdown against Australia and the Constellation Cup,
but it certainly things fell apart. We'll get his thoughts
on that. See if they can turn things around in
a couple of minutes twenty four past nine on News

(14:59):
dog z'd be.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Getting your weekends stuff. It's Saturday Morning with Jack team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Twenty seven minutes past nine on News talks 'B. Yes,
the Silver Ferns went down sixty nine to fifty two
in their first match against Australia in the Constellation Cup.
They were there thereabouts of the first half, but yeah,
things sort of just fell apart a little bit in
the second. Our Sporto Andrew Saville is here with his
thoughts this morning, got usav got a Jack.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
Yeah, I thought they might would have been a massive upset.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
They were down by one or.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Two at halftime and playing pretty well, but then just
that fourth quarter collapse might be too strong a word.
I think you mentioned that before, but yeah, they faded
twenty four. They lost a fourth quarter twenty four goals
to eleven, which is which is quite a lot seteen goals,
so plenty to work on some positive signs there early on.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
But yeah, clearly, look.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
No matter what the outwardly say, this whole coaching pi
Lava saga issue would be having effect or is having
an effect on a number of players in that team.
It must still be very unsettling. A lot of chatter
in the background, maybe not a lot of talk publicly.

Speaker 5 (16:24):
At the moment.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
It seems to have gone called off a little bit
since Gail Puttterer came out the selector a few days
ago and quit from her role.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
But I'm sure there's still a heck of a lot.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Of chatter going on within this team and around the
around the outsides of it. So that must be distracting
and that I think why did they fall away in
the fourth quarter. I think Ossie's a very very good team.
OSSI's played some really effective netble through that whole game.
I don't think fitness is an issue.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
Without Dame Noley there, some of those players just aren't
firing like they should be.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
And this issue who ain't going to go away? Is it?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
No? No, no, no, until it's sort of yeah, I
think we're just going to be in this kind of
situation right, So yeah, hopefully they can build on it
a little bit, But like you say, I think until
they kind of deal with the total a situation, we're
not going to know.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
The next game is in Australia, midweek and then a
couple of New Zealand, so it could could be a tough,
tough rind the next ten days.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
A bit of a blowout in the first npcson the
final yeah again but like the Nipple, but it plenty
were in it for a fair old while and then
Otago just clicked.

Speaker 6 (17:37):
They are a fantastic team to watch, especially end of
the roof where it's faster.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Course. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
If Dylan Pledger, this young half is a long career
in New Zealand rugby.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
I think we're going to be very entertained for a
long time to come.

Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah, he's an outstanding prospect. Played very well again last night.
The key role of a jack jack of a halfback
is getting the ball out right passing. He does that
very effectively, very fast pass but just the ability to
run put doubt in the defender's minds.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
He can kick.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
He last night was playing a bit like a nine
and a half ten as their playmaker. Very very good
young player, fantastic young talent. So hopefully he has a
long career in footy in this country. I know there's
been a lot of conjecture about him not being picked
in the All Blacks or that All Blacks fifteen squad.
I think they've probably made the right move. Jamie Joseph

(18:33):
of course knows best as the Highlanders coach and All
Blacks fifteen's coach, deciding to leave him at home, give
him a break after the NPC, give him a full
Super Rugby preseason, and then bang into Super Rugby next year.
I don't think there's any doubt he will be the
starting Highland Is half back and things are looking up
I think for the Highlanders. If they have the core

(18:54):
of the Otigo team with extras, I think the Highlanders
could well be a force to be reckoned with next year.
Pleasure is almost he I would imagine Jack and the
not to this in future he will be cam roy
Guard's number two and even this is even before cam
roy Guard has hit his peak. But that's that's good

(19:15):
news for ends in rugby. And Finn Hurley as well
came off the bench last night a little excitement machine.
Such a shame for the hearted as he was injured
in Super Rugby. That was his first game back last
night from long term injury break and he was outstanding
as well. So Canterby Hawks Bay tonight either of those
sides will be tough for Otago if Hawks Bay win
the finals in and Dunners if if Canterby wins.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
It's in christ Church. So yeah, looking forward to looking
forward to night.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
And it is great seeing Pliny and Hawks Bay an
NPC semi finals is totally good. I've really enjoyed NPC
this season.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
I do feel a bit for Bayo Pliny because they
lost that final and extra time last year and then
the obviously lost the semi last night. But yeah, good
to see there's some real We've seen some real talent
in this NPC.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think there's been a fair amount of interest in it.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
Some of the defenses leave something to be desired, but it's.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Probably part of it. Games and the balls and trying
around a lot. It's almost like there's not quite as
much on the line or something and they can play
with a bit of freedom or something, you.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Know, and not too much box kicking, yes, not too
much of the forwards running one off the ruck and
trying to grind teams down where we have seen quite
a lot of ball movement.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
It's been good.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Any thoughts on the black Caps they're playing.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Some time, looking forward to this tonight seven o'clock, seven
thirty seven o'clock start rather on on TV one. Yeah,
Brendan McCallum, Tim Soudy, Jet and Patel Gilbert and Oaker
even working with the England team at the moment. So
that's that's that's kind of be interesting. A league tonight

(20:55):
as well, Phoenix and begin the seasons in Australia and
then Liam Lawson fifteenth and practice this morning at the F.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
One in America. Big big weekend to hear it. And
the Rugby League tests tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
So we've got just to be clear and the three
tonight you've got at Apollo Projects, you've got the NPC
semi final at exactly the same time as as a
Crosstown at Hagley over the other Black camps England.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
Yeah, I don't know why. I think the cricket's been
scheduled since March.

Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, I don't know why on if they didn't have
the rugby this afternoon tomorrow afternoon a.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Day game in christ crowd, nothing better.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Don't get me going on the scheduling. Hey, I'll put
you on the spot very quickly, Sev. Who's your celebrity crush?

Speaker 6 (21:44):
I think you're going to ask me about my favorite
you know, ice cream or a recipe.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
No, no, no, no, who's gee?

Speaker 5 (21:50):
I don't know. Whatever I say, get in trouble. So
we'll leave it at that.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Aint come on, Yeah, you're gotta put your finger on
the scar. Look, I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
I'm just starting to lose signal.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Oh yeah, funny, that convenient. All right, we'll let you free.
My celebrity crush is Kerrie Russell. I've always had a
bit of a thing for Kerrie Russell. Yeah, I'm just
saying that I've got a bit of a thing for
Kerrie Russell. Anyway, she was in this fantastic series The
Americans that was about Russian sleeper agents in Washington, DC. Yeah,

(22:22):
it was all pretty dramatic and stuff. But I absolutely
love a spy drama, love a spy drama, and Kerrie
Russell was one of the protagonists in that, and I
just I thought she was fantastic. Anyway, she's in a
new series, well not a new series. She's in a
series called The Diplomat on Netflix that is very Hollywood
and is a little bit over the top. But I've
still loved it. I have still loved it. Between you
and I anyway, The Diplomat's got a brand new series

(22:45):
as well, streaming on Netflix. It's just been released, so
we're going to tell you a bit more about that
in our screen time segment after ten o'clock this morning.
I promise not to dedicate too much of our hour
to Kerrie Russell, but anyway, we'll give you more details
very shortly. Right now it is twenty five minutes to ten.
Your film picks for the weekend. Next, this cool, This

(23:19):
is Time and Parlor. It's a brand new song. It's
called end of Summer sight. Weird time to be releasing
that day, especially for an Australian artist. I guess it
makes it because it tells you who the target audience is. Yeah,
I like that though. Time to catch up with that
film review of Francesca Rudkin is here with her film

(23:41):
Picture this week. Good morning, Good morning. It's like ow,
Fat Freddy's used to always, you know, they always like
release their new albums in the European summer. You'd always
feel like, oh, weird, we've got this like real chill
kind of you know, like Fat Freddy's dub beat and
and it's the perfect thing just to ease you into
an iice cold winter.

Speaker 8 (24:00):
Well, we all need to suring us win.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
If we can be fooled into thinking it's not as
bad as it is, that's sort of yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
You're a Kirie Russell fan. Yes, oh, yes, the different
Yeah no, no, we're not doing too much of the
focus on the show this morning on Carrie Russell. Just
a little bit, just an appropriate amount. I'm a big
fan from way back. Anyway, You've got two films for
us this morning, so we will kick off with a
new film streaming on Netflix, this one starring Kelly and Murphy.

Speaker 10 (24:28):
Have listen to Steve, so they're asking everyone to describe
themselves in three words.

Speaker 11 (24:41):
These are extraordinary, complex young people.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Okay, tell us about Steve Francisca.

Speaker 8 (24:49):
Yes, So I have got two films today, which are
both adaptations of books. Both have gone straight to streaming
services to be released here in New Zealand on Netflix,
and Kelly and Murphy stars in this film. And the
book originally kind of focused on a student at this
particular school and they've kind of to make it work
for the film, they've switched it around to focus on

(25:12):
the headmaster, Steve and Kellyan Murphy plays this headmaster and
he runs this very small, last chance rural school in
some sort of lovely, big old house in the country.
He's really only just holding it together along with his
deputy played by Tracy Olwen, and it's great to see
her back on screen in a role. These two work

(25:33):
really nicely together. It's said in the nineteen nineties, there's
real attent into the music, Like if you remember the
nineteen nineties and drum and bass, then you'll be right
back there in those moments. But these teenagers are really difficult.
This is probably the last chance that they have. This
is a place where people care for them and look

(25:53):
after them and really trying to make sure that they
can have a future, because you know, schools have are
done with them. You know, often their parents are done
with them, society has done with them. Trouble, they have
learning disabilities, they have mental health issues that you know,
they deal with trauma and things. So this school really
does have Yeah is taking their because it's the last

(26:18):
chance for these kids to really find their feet, and
Steph and his team treat them with a lot of respect.
They refuse to give up on them. But the problem
is that the school is about to close So this
film actually just takes place of a twenty four hours
Jack and We had. There's a visitor, a very funny
visit from MP A local news crew has come out

(26:39):
to do a story on the school. There's also just
trying to deal with the chaotic nature of these boys
and what they get up to in things. I think
this is one of those films where you a film
you watch for the performances. Clean Murphy is absolutely fantastic,
as are the teenagers who play these boys. They really are.

Speaker 9 (26:56):
Fantastic, But it just it just gives you a little
sort of it's sort of very performance driven, but it
does kind of remind you of the you know, the
important of their being somewhere for these kind.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
Of students to go. So, yeah, really really great, really
really clear, I really well put together. But I think, yeah,
you'd watch this one of the performances. They're really great.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, right, Okay, So that's Steve. It's on Netflix, starring
Kelly and Murphy mixed up. This is The Woman and
Kevin Tin.

Speaker 12 (27:27):
Laura Blacklock.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Laura is an award winning journalist historian.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Piece for us on the Foundation.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I know this is an unusual approach to charity three
days in a luxury yacht.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Laura is going to be spyingness Bam Bam Bam, starring
Kiera Knightley Die appears a big names.

Speaker 8 (27:52):
This is an adaptation of a book by Ruth Ware.
It's not based on a true story, but she has
been inspired by real life experiences. She was inspired by
stories where by women their word wasn't sort of taken
at face value, you know, they were the word was
endlessly sort of dissected or pulled apart. And so what
we have here is we had this journalist from The
Guardian played by Karen Nightmy who's come back from a

(28:14):
very difficult assignment. She's an investigative journalist does very serious pieces.
She's invited to go on this super yacht to cruise
to Norway for the announcement of the charity launch with
this very wealthy couple, and it's sort of thought to
be a bit of a puff piece that she can
write while also having a bit of time off and
taking a little bit of a break.

Speaker 13 (28:33):
But when she gets on board, the host Richard played
by Guy Peers who you heard there, he sort of
just appears a little bit dodgy and on her first
night there there was a kerfuffle in a cabin next door,
and she is sure that someone has gone overboard, and
from there we end up with this woman who.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
Was pretty much gas lit for the rest of the
entire film, which gets a little tiresome, to be honest
with you, Jack, As you know, she thinks that there
is something going on, something strange, something very dangerous is
happening on this yacht, and everybody else is implying that
she stressed, and she's just losing her mind, and you know,
her job's taking a toll, lot.

Speaker 9 (29:11):
Of it hysterical, she's being hysterical, and to be honest
with you, you can kind of imagine cure a night
and you're going into this kind of this kind of mode.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
And then she just sort of stated it. She's a
great actress, right, I've given a lot to do here
except kind of be guess, And I find that quite
frustrating watching someone just be frustrated for the entirety of
a film. So it doesn't quite work for me. I'm
not sure that the build up is good enough for
the twist at the end. Great cast, really good supporting

(29:40):
cast as well. Yeah, I just didn't quite farve me
it's very Agata Christi esque, which I really like, I
really enjoy, but you don't really kind of like you
need these characters or anything. So it was just a
bit of a misfire for me.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, okay, you know what the problem.

Speaker 14 (29:55):
Is, We've had too many the women, the woman movies
and stories, the woman in the train, the woman behind
the curtains, the woman and the otherwise sleepy suburban neighborhoods,
the woman and the thing, the woman in my dream, you.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Know, the woman at the top of the stairs, the
woman in the basement.

Speaker 8 (30:16):
You know, I thought you're trying to imply that there's
too many.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
No, I'm not trying to say there's too many women.
I'm just trying to say, don't you think, like how
many I'm going to ask chet GPT in a few minutes,
how many the woman things have there been? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (30:28):
The person and ten?

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Anyway, Okay, beg you very much, Francisca. So that is
the Woman in Cabin ten. It's on Netflix, so is
Steve will have all the details for those films up
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(31:15):
next with her little marmalade Ax recipe for.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Us Saturday Morning with Jack Team keeping the conversation going
through the weekend news talks.

Speaker 15 (31:24):
He'd Be The.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Woman in Green. That was a Sherlock Holmes film. The
Woman in the Room was a short film based on
a Stephen King story, The Woman in the Fifth, The
Woman in the Window, The Woman in Black, and then
of course the the Netflix dark comedy making fun of
all the woman movies. The Woman in the House Across
the Street from The Girl in the window, very good, right,

(31:49):
twelve minutes ten on News Talks, he'd be cook NICKI
works is here with us? This kid love that.

Speaker 8 (31:54):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 11 (31:56):
And then there's all the girl ones the girl Try.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, I know, I didn't even want it. Yeah, could
you just.

Speaker 16 (32:02):
Finished that movie last night? I watched it in two parts,
which I recommend for people because the first time is
incredibly suspenseful and fantastic.

Speaker 8 (32:11):
Maybe the second half isn't as.

Speaker 17 (32:12):
Great, but you don't mind.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
You don't mind at that stage. Okay, good. Yeah, I'm
need to see a glowing review of it, but that's okay.
I am right. So I'm a marmalade fan. Marmalade does
divide people.

Speaker 11 (32:23):
It divides me.

Speaker 8 (32:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (32:27):
People often give me marmalade, which is great, and I
think it is something that you give away because you
make it, and you're going.

Speaker 8 (32:33):
To get through so much marmalade because it's quite intense.

Speaker 16 (32:36):
I love an orange marmalade, great fruit marmalade.

Speaker 18 (32:38):
Sometimes a bit bitter, but I do. I do enjoy it.

Speaker 16 (32:42):
And but I end up with a few jars that
I'm not sure what to do, and I'm actually, for
the first time in my life, just getting some renovations done,
and I am putting in a pantry. I will have
a pantry for the first time in my life, which
means I discovered that I had three jars with marmalade
in there, so I thought, I know, these little beautiful
there's a light. They're little buttery cakes. You could make

(33:02):
one big one, but I make them a little muffin
tins and they're actually gorgeous, and marmalade and a cake
is fantastic. It's sort of there's that sweetness to offset
the bitterness. I've seen a recipe recently a little while
ago from Lovely Olivia Galapley, which was a marmalade chicken baked,
and I tried it and it was amazing, So yeah,
I think use it in things. Anyway, here we go,

(33:23):
oven on one eighty. I knew I'm using a little
muffin tin for this, and I line each one with
a little square of baking paper as insurance. I'm creaming
one hundred and seventy grams of softened butter and a
cup of sugar, the proper sugar. Hair, not cast of sugar.

Speaker 18 (33:38):
Proper sugar.

Speaker 16 (33:38):
And you want it to be really light and fluffy
because we have no baking powder in this recipe. We
have a little bit of baking soda. But so we
need to get some air into our butter. Creaming of
the butter and sugar. Add in two eggs, one at
a time. I tend to beat those for about twenty
seconds between each one.

Speaker 8 (33:54):
It will probably curdle in.

Speaker 16 (33:56):
The slightly you know, slightly cool weather. Still don't worry
about that. It doesn't make any difference to the ultimate end.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
Of the cake.

Speaker 8 (34:03):
The little cake.

Speaker 16 (34:04):
Sift in two cups of plain flour and one tablespoon
of marmalade and sort of either just beat very briefly
or just you know, you don't want to overbeat flour
because it makes for a tough cake, so you just
want to kind of stir or beat this in briefly
until it's combined. You've got no pockets of that flour.
And then here's a weird little thing that tells me
this is a very old recipe or an old style

(34:25):
of recipe. Siftin in a cup, combine one cup of
milk that you stir in one tablespoon of lemon juice,
and you wait until it curdles. So that you've sort
of got a buttermilk, Jack, which is fantastic. So you
do that, and then you stir in one teaspoon of
baking soda, and this is what's also going to give
our cakes some allow little cakes, some ries some levitation

(34:48):
because that will sort of air eate, and so add
that into the cake better and just fold that through
until it's combined. Fill each of your muffin holes to
about two foods because they do rise a bit. Bake
for about eight fifteen to eighteen minutes. I love a
quick bake on a cake because I want to eat them.
They're like brown and sort of quite bring back to
the touch. If you listen to cakes too, Jack, I

(35:09):
know I'm not going mad with innovations. I promise if
you listen to cakes, you know that they're cooked because
you shouldn't really hear a lot of crackling. So if
you put your ear down to a cake all these
little muffin things, it should be pretty quiet, Whereas if
the cake is still cooking, you'll hear quite a lot
of little crackling. So know, yeah, if you can't find

(35:31):
that skiller in time, that is, or you don't know
how to press it so it springs back to the touch.

Speaker 11 (35:35):
That's what you do.

Speaker 16 (35:36):
And then I make a little topping for these, which
is half a cup of brown sugar, quart of a
cup of the marmalade, So that's good. I've got rid
of quite a bit of a marmalade there, and a
tablespoon of orange juice and sort of just melt those
together and then simmer it just briefly. And then as
soon as the muffins are cooled till they're just kind
of warm, you can poke some holes and then then

(35:58):
spoon over the glaze. So it's kind of like that,
you know what you do with a lemon syrup cake.
So they're really moist and beautiful. These cakes, they're absolutely delicious.
A good cup of tea. Oh I'm feeling it for
the sweet sounds fantastic.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yes, film a muffin hole to exactly.

Speaker 16 (36:15):
I didn't think rather latterly when I was waiting to
come on, some flake diamonds might be nice on top
of the hole.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Like sliver, a chicky little sliver.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
We do, we do it.

Speaker 16 (36:26):
Whenever I was filming World Kitchen, I had an issue
with saying slithered.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
Or slivered, and I would always substitute the wrong one.

Speaker 16 (36:35):
So I would often talk about slivers, obviously, but I
would say slithers, because you know what it's like when
you're in front of the camera, you're you're a bit
weird and we have to cut and then Nikki, it's.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Slivered and no, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 11 (36:48):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Nothing worse than muffin hole? Is there?

Speaker 14 (36:52):
You go?

Speaker 3 (36:55):
I thank you so much. It does sound really nice.
I think I'll be into that. So we're going to
make sure we share that recipe for Nicky's Little marmalade cakes.
So buttery little Marmalade cakes will be up on the
News Talks. He'd be website and a couple of minutes.
Right now, it is seven to ten.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Giving you the inside scoop on the board you need
to know Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks at the.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
See what I did when I wanted to find out
all the films that started with the woman or books
that started with the woman. I went to chat GPT
on my phone and I said, what films or books
start with the woman in the title or similar? Right,
That's what I said, but it missed one. So it
gave me lots of good examples immediately, but then a
missed one and Greg flickmany note to say, Jack, you

(37:39):
missed the woman in Red, so chat GBT let me
down on that occasion. Speaking of chat GPT, after ten
o'clock this morning, we're going to catch up with our
texpert about the big news in the AI world this week.
Chat GPT is getting an adult's only version, so you
want to make sure if you are searching the Woman
in Red, you're doing it on the right version, otherwise

(38:01):
that could be a little bit of a shock to
the system. Anyway, he's going to give us all the
details that he can about that very soon. We're going
to have our screen time segment as well, of course,
where we recommend three shows to watch or stream from
home over the weekend, including the brand new season of
The Diplomat. That is the show starring actress Kerry Russell.
It's just got its third series streaming on Netflix. But

(38:22):
if you haven't seen it before, in our screen time segment,
we'll give you all the details about that. And then
in studio, right after the Tennacott news, Anna Osborne and
Sonia Rockhouse the inspiration for the film Pike River. They'll
be with us very soon. It's almost Tenna Coock though.
News is next. I'm Jack Tame at Saturday Morning. This
is News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Team News Talks at b.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Mord In A good morning and welcome to News Talks.
He'd be with Jack Tame. It's been almost fifteen years
since the Pike River mining disaster, in which twenty nine
men lost their lives. A new film, Pike River, tells
the true story of the tragedy and its aftermath through
the eyes of Anna Osborne and Sonya Rockhouse, two women
at the forefront of the fight for justice.

Speaker 19 (39:49):
A decision has been made that this prosecution is not
going to proceed.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
And mind will be permanently sealed. That's the reality.

Speaker 11 (39:57):
No one is going to go on the earth again.

Speaker 19 (40:02):
So what are you going to do?

Speaker 8 (40:05):
We're going to stop them.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Anna lost her husband Milton in Pike River. Sonya lost
her son Ben, while one of her other sons, Daniel,
was one of just two survivors Pike River. The film
has just had its week of premiers around New Zealand
and Anna Osborne and Sonya Rockass so with us in
studio Kilda. Good morning, morning, good morning. It's so good
to see you both, and I know you have had

(40:28):
a crazy week, so we really appreciate you being here.
Before I asked too much about the film, can I
ask about the process? How does this kind of thing happen?
How does someone like Rob Saky's come to the community
and say, you know what I think? I want to
tell your story? Anna?

Speaker 20 (40:47):
Yeah, he actually wasn't He had his eye on Pike River,
but he wasn't too interested in making a film as yet.
But as time progressed and he saw two women that
were actually trying to bring about truth and justice, he thought, well,
actually there could be a movie in this. And so

(41:10):
he waited and watched for quite a while, and then
he approached us as well as a few other film companies,
and was interested in making a movie about us. And
we were thinking, what the heck? Why would someone want
to make a movie about two middle aged women who

(41:32):
nothing flash and nothing fens And we're trying to you know,
we were trying to do what was right for our
loved ones and the twenty you know, the other twenty
seven men that were underground. So it was surreal thinking
that anyone would want to make a movie about us.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Was it a difficult balance? Because I can imagine from
your perspective, given everything you've experienced over the last fifteen years,
a lot of people in your shoes would find it
hard to trust people, and you have to go to
someone like Rob and put an increa amount of trust
in him to tell your story. How did you feel
about this on you?

Speaker 21 (42:11):
Well, I kind of feel like he's the sort of
person that when you meet him, I trust my instinct
most of the time, and I just felt I just
felt safe with him, and Fiona too. And you can
tell when somebody is interested in what you're saying. And

(42:32):
we've had plenty of people that, you know, give us
lip service but aren't actually listening. But he was listening,
and he asked a lot of questions, and he spent
a lot of time with us. And one of the
big frustrations for Anna and I was that nobody wanted
to listen. Everyone had Pike fatigue. They were sick of it,
and they didn't want to listen to what we had

(42:53):
to say because it went against the grain. And you know,
as he was, we know that you know, we're pretty
we are pretty conservative people. At you know, of the time,
and so we don't like to rock the boat, and
we were rocking the boat, and you know, people got
annoyed by that. So to have somebody like Rob and

(43:17):
Fiona just wanting us to spill everything that we were
feeling and thinking, it was so liberating because we felt
like finally we were taking control, you know, because for
years we just had to sit there and be told
what we were being told, and we knew that it

(43:39):
wasn't right, but there was nothing we could do about it.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
We were told to be.

Speaker 19 (43:45):
To be.

Speaker 11 (43:47):
To be right, and to be.

Speaker 21 (43:48):
Dignified because otherwise the government might, you know, walk away.
And I actually believe that in the beginning, and then
I thought later on, you know, that's just rubbish. They're
never going to do that. And so yeah, he just
he just sort of built that trust up. It didn't
happen immediately, course, but we could that he genuinely wanted

(44:09):
to tell our story and so yeah, that's why we
went with him.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
So no doubt you immediately pushed for say over the cast,
you said, right, we want Gwyneth Peltrow, we want.

Speaker 21 (44:22):
We had a lot of fun coming up with all
different names that we thought each one should. Never in
my wildest dreams could I ever have imagined that Robin
Malcolm would be playing me. In fact, when Rob rang
me up and said that Robin was going to be
playing me, I was gobsmacked. I couldn't speak. And then

(44:47):
I said, no, why she cannot play me? And he
said why and I said, because she is gorgeous, like
she's like an eighth my size, and you know, and
she just she's just so I mean, yeah, I mean,
My Outrageous Fortune was just one of my favorite shows.
And I and you know who does love Robin Malcolm.

Speaker 20 (45:07):
So I.

Speaker 21 (45:10):
Still can't believe it when I look at her and
she looks at us with the same ore that we
look at her, and it's just the weirdest thing.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I thought they did an amazing job. I thought Melanie
and Robin did an incredible job. So you guys have
seen the film a few times now. You've had a
series of premiers, kind of like a touring series of
premier years. This week, can you tell me about being
in Graymouth in it for the first time and seeing
the film for the first time. It was quite overwhelming,

(45:42):
a lot of emotion because you were there with all
the families, right, this is a private private screening.

Speaker 20 (45:47):
Talking about the one before we yeah, family viewing and yeah,
so that was viewed by about forty family members and
the response from the families was an overwhelming well done, ladies,
because they did not know exactly what Sonya and I

(46:07):
had been doing behind the scenes. You know, I would
send out emails to the families and say, well, listen,
this is what we're trying to do now, or this
is what has been suggested or whatever. In the families
for email back and say yep, we support you, thank
you so much. And that was about it. But for
Sonya and I, we actually got off our bums and

(46:28):
we did the hard yards behind the scenes, and the
film sort of validates everything we.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Have done because, for want of a better term, you
guys have been agitators, and I mean that in a
good way. You're laughing, Sonya, but you know what I mean, Like,
you guys have been fighting, and for much of that fight,
you have gone through all of these different processes thinking
that that work would be unseen, you know. And in

(46:54):
a way, this is like the amazing thing about the
film for the first time, not just the other families,
but the world gets to get.

Speaker 21 (47:03):
So we hope that people I've been asked many times
what do I hope that people take away from the movie,
And one of the things that I hope for is
that people get an understanding of what the families have
been through and had to go through. I mean, when
you think about it, logically, we should never have had
to fight to get what we've done. This was not

(47:25):
our fault, this was not our men's fault, and so
the fact that we even had to do it is
just the most terrible thing. But yeah, I'd like people
to take away that message, plus the message that about
if anybody else is in a position where they see

(47:47):
things in the workplace that are not right, you need
to speak up. Don't be afraid to speak up because
health and safety is so important. And our health and
safety rate in New Zealand is abysmal, and it's one
of the worst in the western world. And why why

(48:08):
is that?

Speaker 15 (48:09):
You know?

Speaker 21 (48:09):
So, yeah, that's what I hope that people take away
from it.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
So it was amazing to me because Rob said to me,
make sure when I watch it, I have headphones in,
headphones on so I can really immerse myself on the
sound and it was really incredible. From the first couple
of frames of the film, which are beautiful but also haunting.
It kind of transferred me back from my experience, and

(48:34):
of course my experience is nothing like your experiences, but
I wondered, having seen the film a few times now,
are you seeing different things in it?

Speaker 11 (48:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (48:44):
Absolutely, I mean I think I've seen it about six times.
There was one where with the music, the orchestra hadn't
finished doing the sound for it yet, so we went
through a movie without sound, which was really quite weird.
As you know, you don't usually have that opportunity that

(49:05):
we have watched it. And each time we come away
from seeing it, we turn around and we say, can
you remember that actually happening? Well, I can't remember seeing
that the first time we saw the movie, and it's
just it's really bizarre, really, isn't it, because we just yeah,
we keep seeing different things, and yeah, it's kind of cool.

Speaker 21 (49:27):
We were there during the filming, so you know, we
were seeing these scenes being played out, But then when
you watch it, it's there is in a sad every
time there's something that I think, oh, I don't remember
seeing that last.

Speaker 20 (49:41):
Time that we are really proud of what we see
on the screen and realize, you know, we two ordinary
women could actually change so many things in New Zealand,
like laws, health and safety, even the government. You know,

(50:02):
if the government was going to change. We wanted everyone
to support Pike. I stand with Pike, and we did that.
We've got a commitment from all the other parties that
are the minor parties apart from ACT and of course National.
All the other parties at the time signed this agreement
that if Labor got in, they would support Pike River

(50:25):
and you know they would perform in the.

Speaker 21 (50:30):
Safety entry.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's right.

Speaker 20 (50:32):
They create an agency within a hundred days and that's
what happened. And it's the first time we've been listened to.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I feel it must be so gratifying to fight and
fight and fight and then see, even if it's a
tiny shred, but see a little bit of progress. So
you talked down before about the family screening in Graymouth,
but very quickly tell me about the glitzy screaming of
the last few days, because you've had a couple of
big premiers.

Speaker 20 (50:56):
Now I'll just talk about the Graymouth one something. Talk
about the Auklamund.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
When I think glitzy. I think Graymouth, we all do.

Speaker 20 (51:05):
Graymouth had not seen a film in the big cinema
there for fifteen years, believe it or not, So it
was a huge thing for Graymouth to have this movie
come to town, and they had. They went all out.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
You know.

Speaker 20 (51:17):
You should have seen the red carpet and the plants
and the that they decked it all out to be
something wonderful. And the community support and the community spirit.
You could feel it in the room, seeing the people
that were with us in the picket line, you know,
and occupation bringing us food. All these people you could
see them in the audience there, and I just thought,

(51:39):
I'm so proud to be able to bring this movie
to Graymouth for the premiere and to say thank you
because Graymouth was a community that really did support and
embrace the twenty nine families. I've felt the love the
adela in the room and that it was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
It was I don't want to give too much away,
but I think it's fair to say the film ends,
but the pe story doesn't, right, And I just wondered
if there is when you think about the progress or
lack thereof, when it comes to prosecutions relating to bike,
is there one last push that you hope this film

(52:23):
will give powerful people?

Speaker 21 (52:26):
Absolutely, we are hoping that the powers that be that
make the important decisions will a go and see the movie,
because how can you make such important decisions about people
that you've never even met. It really irritates me that

(52:51):
the people who will be making the important decisions know
nothing about us, haven't met us, haven't talked to us,
heard our side of the story. So I'm hoping that
the movie will highlight whole pile of things and make
them perhaps think about what their decision might be. But

(53:14):
at the same time they also need to understand that
if the right decision doesn't come back, we are done yet.

Speaker 20 (53:23):
We'll put on our big deal pants and we'll do
it all over again because we need justice.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
For our men.

Speaker 20 (53:28):
Twenty nine men don't go to work and they were killed.
They didn't die, they were killed at work. This was
a totally avoidable accident and so that's disgusting that no
one has been charged over that yet. And we need
justice for our men, for the families, for New Zealand,
for the world. Basically, so if the right decision does

(53:51):
not come we will start kicking up Holy hell again.
And that's a promise I make doubt.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
You for a moment. Thank you for your courage and
your work and for your story and for sharing your story.
Thank you so much, thank you. It's Anna Osbourne and
Sonia Rockas. They are the inspiration for Pike River. We've
got all the details about the film and where you
can see it around the country up on the news tooks.
He'd be website now before eleven o'clock. We are in

(54:21):
the garden. It is that time of year when if
you've got any kind of vines, you need to get
on top of the passion vine hoppers. They're just such
a punish, such a punish, basically impossible, like unless you
napalm your entire backyard, they're almost impossible to get rid
of them. But anyway, our man in the garden has
some tips on trying to control them if you've got

(54:42):
like a passion fruit line or something like that at
your place. As well as that, our Textbert is here
and some big changes are coming to chat GPT. They
are releasing an adults only version, so yeah, we'll find
a way to navigate that subject. Next up your screen
time picks for this week, Three fantastic shows to recommend
right now. It's twenty three past ten.

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Speaker 3 (55:11):
Forty five past ten, which means it's bread up screen
time Time. Tara awards our screen time experts. She's here
with three shows for the weekend. Get I Tara, Good morning.
Let's begin with the show on TVNZ plus. Tell us
about the Iris Affair.

Speaker 22 (55:25):
Yeah, this is a new British thriller that's just landed
on TVVZ plus and it's quite a wild ride. You
sort of have to suspend belief for this one and
just go along with what happens. This is created by
Neil Cross who made the show Luther, and it's about
a woman named Iris who is a maths genius, a
very clever puzzle solver, and Iris wins this global scavenger

(55:48):
hunt organized by an eccentric entrepreneur who's played by Tom Hollander,
and the prize is that Iris gets to visit this
underground bunker where there is this top secret, highly dangerous
and powerful supercomputer and the entrepreneur needs Iris to crack
a secret code that will bring the computer to life.

(56:09):
And there are a few time jumps in the show,
but Iris essentially takes off with the code and then
it is chased in a game of hide and seek
across Italy. This show is tense from the opening scenes.
The start throws you right into the action and there
are lots of moments in this where you won't know
what's going on, but I think hanging there. The story
is a bit like a puzzle itself. You kind of

(56:29):
have to put it together. It's filmed in Italy during
the summer and it looks incredible. It almost has a
bit of a James Bond kind of feel to it.
It is preposterous, but if you like a twisty kind
of thriller, this is a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Nice Okay, that's the Iris Affair. It's on TVNZ plus
on Disney Plus. Murdoch Death in the Family.

Speaker 22 (56:48):
This is a new American true crime series about a
very bleak set of murders that took place in South
Carolina a few years ago, and some people might already
be familiar with this story. Netflix did a big documentary
series about this a few years ago, and the case
has been in the news even quite recently. Now it's
been turned into this eight episode dramatized mini series, and

(57:10):
it's about the Murdoch family, who were one of South
Carolina's most powerful and prominent families, and it follows what
happened in the family and the lead up to the murders.

Speaker 23 (57:18):
There's a suspicious death, there's a cover up, there's addiction,
and there's a lot of bad behavior, and the show
is about how power and wealth and privilege can make
people behave in the worst possible ways.

Speaker 22 (57:31):
The performances and this are really strong. Jason Clark and
Patricia Arquette Starr and this as the parents, and there's
a great supporting cast as well. I think if you've
read the book and listened to the podcast and watched
the documentary, I don't know that this drama adds anything
more to the story. It's largely rehashing what's already out there.
But I think if you're coming to this series without

(57:52):
knowing much about it, you'll probably find this a lot
more compelling because it is such a shocking and outrageous story.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah right, Okay, that's Murdoch Death in the Family. It's
on Disney Plus and on Netflix. The Diplomat.

Speaker 22 (58:06):
I know you've been looking forward to this one.

Speaker 17 (58:07):
Jack.

Speaker 22 (58:08):
This is a new season of the very fun political
thriller And if you're looking for something smart and entertaining
and not too heavy to watch this weekend, I can
recommend this season three drop this week. It stars Kerrie
Russell and she plays an American diplomat who is suddenly
appointed ambassador to the UK during an international political crisis,

(58:30):
and she doesn't want the job, she reluctantly takes it,
and she also has to deal with her husband, who's
played by Rufus Saul, who is a liability and who
pulling a lot of strings behind the scenes to further
his own career. And what I like about The Diplomat
is that it's a political thriller, but it's not dry
or boring. It's funny, it's well paced, the dialogue is punchy,

(58:52):
lots of Cliffhanger's great cast. Alison Janney is in this,
Celia and Maria's in this as well. You know, it
is over the top and probably a bit soapy, but
it doesn't take itself seriously as well, and it's having
fun without dumbing anything down. So very bungeable, and yeah,
it makes politics entertainment.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, yeah, it does. It does move perhaps unrealistically quickly
at times, but yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean there's amount
of dramatic license as you would expect, but yes, I
love it. I'm into it, and I'm very excited about
the new series. So that's The Diplomat. That's on Netflix.
Season three, mood Off, Death and the Family is on
Disney Plus. The Iris Affair is on TVNZ Plus and

(59:31):
all three shows are on the News talks 'b website.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News Talks edb.

Speaker 11 (59:52):
Capsirser for us.

Speaker 24 (01:00:09):
Card.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
This is Oliver Arnold's a musician whose name you might
not heard of before, but you probably have heard his music.
So Oliver is a composer. He's known for that kind
of sweeping cinematic sound. He actually won a Bafter for
his soundtrack for the series broad Church, so you've probably
heard that before anyway. Oliver Arnold's, as the name might suggest,

(01:00:37):
is from Iceland and alongside his classical works, he also DJs.
Has been a drummer and a hardcore punk and metal
bands and it's just like me. He's kind of an
all rounder anyway. A lot of his works really collaborative
and he's just released a new album working alongside the
virtuoso of Irish dream pop who goes by the name

(01:01:00):
of Talos. Anyway, you and French who is the person
who goes by the name of Talos, died last year
age just thirty six. But oliver Us saw the project
through and so the album Adorning has really caught the
attention of our music reviewer. He's going to be in

(01:01:22):
a performer day. We'll play you a couple of songs
and share a bit more of that. Thank you for
your feedback, Jack. There may be they may not be
flash necessarily, but my goodness, Sonya and Anna are fighters
and not done yet. Fifteen years on is far far
too long. I'll see the film, I'll see Park River,
and I hope it makes all of New Zealand's stand

(01:01:43):
up and fight for the truth of Park River. Thanks that, Harry.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
It was a lovely interview this morning with Sonya and Anna.
Really enjoyed hearing from them. Ninety two ninety two is
our text number. If you want to send us a message,
you can email me as well. Of course, Jack at
News Talks, he'd be dot co dot nz what to
do with passion vine hoppers, if there's anything you can
do at your place before eleven o'clock when we're in
the garden. Next up, though, a texpert is in for
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
The Headlines and the Hard Questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
I can't work out a way round this.

Speaker 17 (01:02:16):
I mean, the horse has bolted when it comes to
jurisdiction and online, hasn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:02:20):
If you're wanting to go after the actual online provider
for defamation, say, for example, a reasonable period of time
after they receive notice to take down the offending content. Obviously,
an platform like TikTok, Facebook, how are they going to
know what they're You know, people who are on those
platforms are posting if it's true or false, right, they
need to receive notice before they can take it down.
And as you said, the horse has already bolted to

(01:02:42):
some extent because it's already been up for a period
of time and probably shared by various people.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
Back Monday from six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Bailey's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Twenty two two eleven Non News Talks ed b Chat
GPT is getting an adult's only mode. Why you wonder
what I suggested. It has something to do with the
fact that the company that owns chet gpt to make
a little bit of money. But our textbot, Paul stein House,
is here with all of the details, I presume Paul,
for the sake of research, you've had to download this
new version.

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
I don't think it's out yet because it all hinges
on verifying the factor an adult, right, And that's the
important part here. You're not alone in thinking that maybe
that's why they's starting to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
It's like, oh, I use a growth is stored.

Speaker 10 (01:03:33):
We need to show the investors things are still interesting.
I don't know that that's necessarily the case. I think
the thesis of chat GPT and open ai and what
they're trying to do is probably interesting enough, and you'll
you can kind of like connect the dots of where
it might be able to go without like factoring in
short term growth around adults only mode. But I do

(01:03:55):
think they talk about one of their principles, and one
of the principles that open ai is making.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Money is exactly that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:04):
You know re doing for the shearholderat adults treat adult
users like adults. And I kind of like it, right,
and especially at the moment, it's difficult because you can't
prove who the adult is. You come prove who the
child is. So what they're going to do is allow
you to verify you are an adult and then that

(01:04:25):
will open up doors to treating you like an adult.

Speaker 19 (01:04:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
There are only one problem is that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:31):
You do have to submit your ID to go through
the verification process. So I just don't know if you
really want to put your adults. Yeah, thoughts and feelings
right beside your ID. That to me is just like
a real look into someone's brain.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Record it on paper, digital paper that you want to go.
Very good, there's a very good point. Yeah, I wonder,
but you know what I feel like, it's the sort
of thing there I say that people are going to
be a bit squeamish about it first years to come.
It will just be standards, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:05:01):
Well, okay.

Speaker 10 (01:05:02):
So one of the other reasons they want to treat
adults like adults and kind of go about this freedom
is that they blocked talking about mental health on the
platform and put some real restrictions around it about what
chip ChiPT could respond and without do you want to
hear some fun facts jack about gen Z.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (01:05:19):
So, a company called resume dot org surveyed one thousand
gen zs. Twenty five percent of gen Z describe AI
bots as their therapist or coach, a friend or co worker.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Per thirty four.

Speaker 10 (01:05:34):
Percent admit to confiding in AI chatbots about things that
I've never told another person, their deepest darkest secrets. A
third of gen z sixteen percent, so they frequently discussed
personal topics such as things like mental health or relationships,
and thirty three percent say they do that occasionally. So

(01:05:54):
we're talking about basically like a third of gen Z
giving their deepest darkest secrets already.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
To surprise the AI friends. Doesn't surprise me, Yeah, it
doesn't surprise me one little bit. This is a changing whirlpool. Hey,
Spotify has been found to be working on this thing
called a song DNA feature.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
What is it?

Speaker 10 (01:06:15):
Yeah, so this is It hasn't been released and one
of these kind of like researchers who dives into the
code and kind of sees what they're working on in
preview versions has found it. But think of it as
the people behind the music, right, the writers, collaborators, the engineers,
the vocalists, composers, they often don't really get seen. We
always just get the name of the person who's singing

(01:06:38):
the song, right, and so this will be a way
to sort of dive in potentially and be able to
actually understand who worked on it and then discover more
of their work more easily.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
It's something that titled the music service you probably no
one's ever heard about. I had Day for about a
week ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:06:55):
Yeah exactly, there we go, because it had a really
good price when it started, and it had high fi,
high definition sound. It's still one of the only ones
that has like this really top much sound. Anyway, it's
very much more artist friendly doing this for some time.
Spotify is now kind of getting into the game. But
it is fun because if you if you have an
artist like Sair, Calvin Harris, yeah you're like I like
Calvin Harris, well, you would be able to click on

(01:07:15):
Calvin Harris and go, well, he's also written all of
these other songs for all these other pop stars, and
there are some like some of the biggest pop songs
are written by like the same three people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Yeah, I think it's going to be it's gonna be
really interesting when that.

Speaker 10 (01:07:29):
When you can start with you know, people who kind
of aren't necessarily in the scene start to see how
the scene is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Yeah, you can't seeing how the sausage is made a
little bit, eh.

Speaker 18 (01:07:37):
Yeah, Yeah, you're going behind the curtain.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Thanks Paul. That's fascinating, appreciate your time. That is our texpert,
Paul Stenhouse. In a couple of minutes, our personal finance
expert is in and he's counting down the days to death.
And I know that sounds grim, but it's not really.
He's trying to get a precise number. He's got a
new tool that can help us work it out, a
good book, because of course, working out exactly how much
longer you might have left in this mortal world is

(01:08:01):
absolutely vital, and getting your finances sorted to see you
through seventeen to eleven news Talks. He'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
That'd be according to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Eleven and our personal finance expert, Ebingnight from Opie's Partners
is here this morning. Hey, ed, great to be here, Jack,
Great to be speaking with you. So it turns out
there is a big difference between the wealthy and people
like me probably more than one one difference. But the
difference you want to focus on this morning is that

(01:08:38):
wealthy people think about money in terms of decades, whereas
a lot of people think of money in much shorter terms. Well,
that's exactly right.

Speaker 26 (01:08:49):
If you're financially stressed, you tend to have to think
about your money in days. You know, you're thinking about
how do I pay my bills this week? How do
I get through to the next payday? And that's when
you're in survival mode. Now, if you're a little bit
better off, you might think about your money in terms
of months. You know, how do I, say for the
next holiday, or you know, maybe I can save up
enough money to buy a different car at the start

(01:09:10):
of next year. Well, if that's you, you might be
thinking about your money in terms of months, and in
that case, you're in what I call the comfort zone.
But it does turn out that really wealthy people do
tend to think about their money in decades, and you're
thinking about, well, how can I build some wealth for
the next two to four decades. And if you're in
that mindset, you're really in what I call the wealth mode.

(01:09:31):
But just before I talk about how do you go
about changing your mindset? Because it's easy to talk about
that in theory, but what do you actually do to
change your mindset? Why is it that we all know
we really should invest more, but we don't do it. Well,
there's a nerdy term that I'll teach you today, Deck.
It's called temporal discounting. Now, forget the technical term. What

(01:09:53):
that really means is our brains love stuff now, and
we don't really value stuff that we might get in
the future. So if you've got one hundred bucks, you
love to spend it now, you don't really value as
much what that money could turn into in the future.

Speaker 15 (01:10:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:10:12):
If you go out and spend money on your credit
card because it doesn't feel like money is leaving your
account now, you don't really value the fact that you
might have to pay interest on that in the future.
So our brains are really wired to now now now,
getting stuff now, rather than putting money aside and getting
even more stuff in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah, so I did. There's a calculator on your website
which is really good. So I worked out my kind
of life expectancy given my age and gender and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
At the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
So there's a fifty percent chance, according to your calculator,
that I'll live to eighty nine, which means that I
really do need to try and get past what is
the temporal disconnect and think about the future.

Speaker 26 (01:10:51):
This is the interesting thing. Now, to a person with
a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I'm an economist,
so I think every problem can be fixed with a calculator.
So if people google the how long will I live calculator,
and you might need to put in put an open
my company opes and this will come up. You put
in your age, your gender, when you started working, when
you get to retire, and it gives you a kind

(01:11:13):
of this is your life. So if you're a forty
five year old woman, you started working at the age
of twenty, and you want to retire at sixty five, well,
you've been working so far for twenty five years. You've
got twenty years left in your work life, and you've
got to use the next twenty years to set yourself
up and pay for the twenty six year retirement that

(01:11:35):
you're going to eventually have, because you've got a pretty
decent chance of living till ninety one, and so just
running your numbers Like this gives you a bit of
this is your life and SHOWSI there is simply what
your life looks like in decades and that can help
change your mindset.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Yeah so good. Hey, thank you very much, Ed. And
like you say, you can access that how long will
you live calculator on the op's website. We'll wake So
there's a link on the news that was your b
website as well. Catch your own need.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Jack gardling with steel Sharp's battery system kits get a
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Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Nine minutes to eleven. On News Talks, he'd be rude.
Climb past is our men in the garden at this
time every Saturday morning? High rude?

Speaker 17 (01:12:14):
Hello Jack? Are you aware it's going to be chaos
gardening next week?

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Every week is house gardening at our place road? You've
seen our place.

Speaker 17 (01:12:27):
I knew you, I knew you. They have something to
say about that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Yates do this every year.

Speaker 17 (01:12:33):
They've got gardening week and this this this year it's
chaos gardening. The wild trend taking route. You know what
that means if you don't throw your lawn and you
just you know, but that's that's exactly where it came from.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
You know, they tried to do it down the road
from us. They had a park down the road where
they tried to do it, and they're trying to rewild
all of the thing. And then there was a bit
of an incident because there was a there was a
miscommunication with the council, and so a well meaning contractor came.
Having let this grass grow for like, I don't know,
a year or something, it was really long, but this
well meaning contractor cav along, fired up as his moa

(01:13:15):
and swiftly took to the previously wilding area and mowed
it down to size. Yeah, it was a bit of
a bit of a local The local Facebook pages were
going wild over it. So there you go.

Speaker 17 (01:13:29):
I'm going to tell I'm going to tell you look
out for these guys with these things.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
There So, passion vine hoppits. These have been the bane
of my life. They've been a major problem in my place,
and I think they are one of the central reasons
that I haven't yet managed to make passion fruit work
at my place. It could also be where I've been
growing up. I've been going into a place that gets
a fair amount of sun not all day sun. I
know you're supposed to have all day sun, but I

(01:13:55):
gets a fair amount of sun and hot sun. It
gets middle of the day sun. And yet I've now
had three passion fruit plants that have died, and I
blamed the vine hoppers. Yeah, you know they could be
little at the best of times. You know your passion
for you.

Speaker 17 (01:14:09):
Know that because we've talked about this before, I've done
I've tried this now for the last fifteen years, Jack
and I have the very first plump actually surviving and going.
So I'm not gonna I'm not going to say too
much at this stage. You'll hear legs on I suppose,
but it's finally working for me and no, thank you,
I mean, honestly, you and me, baby, you know we got.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
To do this well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
You've got more stickability here than I do. I just
I got so because I was literally going out there
every day with the eight year old, because you can
see the passion for it grows so quickly. Usually that
I would go out there every day and we would
plot its progress, and then you just got a bit
increasing being like, oh no, here come the vine hoppers.
On here it is. It's gone again, where's my sister
and Nelson? I mean she's They sort of accidentally grow

(01:14:55):
passion fruit, you know, like the passion for it grows
and the cracks and the and the driveway and then
it's groaning with fruit. I just think this isn't fair.

Speaker 17 (01:15:03):
Yeah, that's it anyway, and the passion vine hopper. Now,
but you're absolutely right. We're talking about a couple of
things that are quite important now because the passion vine
opera is the big one, especially in the north. Although
I found out that my neighbors up the road have
got them now here. This blanking thing is going south
as much as it likes at the moment. So it's

(01:15:23):
another one anyway, very quickly for those who are listening.
It's all on the website anyway, where there's quite a
bit of info. But now's the time to look for
those little nymphs of those passion vine operas which are
coming out of their eggs now. And if you've got
a little bit of good safe works material if you like,
or sprays, spray them on a wind still day now

(01:15:48):
in the morning and you will actually get them. This
is important. And the second one is sludes and snails
are coming up weed control will expose them to predators,
the thrushes. So that's one of the ways to go. Oh,
you have baked pellets in a puzzle. It's all described
and you see the photos again on the website. And
that's the second one. But here's another one. Co rabbit beetles,

(01:16:10):
big beetles that we have in New Zealand. They eat
slugs and small snails. So I always leave them going
that's what they need to do, right, Yeah, they do.
They're native once and they eat those things. And and
then of course the other alternative is, of course with
the the snails, is that you do realize you can

(01:16:32):
eat those because this is the French esca go that
we have in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
You realize that the species of snyl is exactly the same,
is it?

Speaker 17 (01:16:41):
Yes, we imported that from Europe and they and the
French imported it from northern from what was it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
We imported snails?

Speaker 17 (01:16:52):
No we didn't. That was by excellent You came here
with the gear that everybody that had pots with plants
they went to New Zealand in the eighteen hundreds took.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Miss just a deliberately and produce them.

Speaker 17 (01:17:07):
Sure, yeah, there was no Ministry of Anger infreciates in
this so there was no quarantine. And the third thing
I've gone on the list is for you is mites.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Mites.

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Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Thank you, sir, really appreciate it. Wroud Climb passed in
the garden for us this morning after eleven o'clock on
News Talks. He'd be our travel correspondent is continuing his
Indian odyssey this morning. His top tips on visiting Agra
and the taj Mahal. Really looking forward to that. It's
almost eleven o'clock though, News is next, Yeah, with Jack Tame.
It is Saturday morning, and this is News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
He'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Saturday morning with Jack Tam keeping the conversation, going through
the weekend news talks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Good morning. If you're just turning us on this morning,
it is so good to have you with us. Finally,
Jack Taying with you on News Talks. He'd be through
to mid Day. I reckon the Prince Andrew thing. I've
been wrecking my brain. I reckon it might be the
single biggest fall from grace of the modern age, like globally,
I mean, Harvey Weinstein. I supposes up there as well

(01:18:49):
there did. Look, there will be a few contenders. There
be a few contenders. If you haven't heard the news
this morning, he is giving up his royal title, so
he will no longer be the Duke of York. But
I mean, it is hardly the greatest surprise in the world,
isn't He's been been seen in public for years now.
Obviously continues to deny all allegations, But my goodness, it

(01:19:10):
is really hard to think of a fall from grace
of that scale and of that prominence anywhere. Now before
Midday on News Talks ed B, we'll tell you about
the latest book from PHILIPA. Gregory. She writes these amazing
historical fiction novels, and she's got a brand new book,
The Ball and Traitor, that we will tell you about
as well as that. Our travel correspondent is going to

(01:19:31):
be here. He is on a bit of an Indian odyssey,
and this morning he's focusing on Agra and the taj Mahal,
part of the famous Golden Triangle in India. He'll have
his top tips for visiting Agra and the taj Mahal
very shortly. Right now, it's eight minutes past eleven, Jack
Team and greenwashing is the subject of focus for our

(01:19:52):
sustainability expert this week. Kate Hall is here, Kiolder, Kate,
what you know you see it every time you walk
through the supermarket aisles. In fact, you should see it,
but I reckon, I'm so bombarded by these days of
actually stopped seeing which is a problem. I'm talking about
green washing, those little labels on various products that make

(01:20:14):
you think that they're sustainable or eco friendly, but actually
they're not. So how often do you see green washing examples?

Speaker 27 (01:20:22):
Ka, Well, I think these days it's everywhere. I would say, like,
it's rare you'd find product without some sort of kind
of green marketing manipulation.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 27 (01:20:36):
Yeah, it's really it's a huge problem because it's creating
a hold of distrust around the brands that are actually legitimate.

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:20:44):
People just you know, brands are throwing a green turtle
here and you know, a dolphin symbol or packaging there
their products and the color green.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
You know, the only the only relationship they have to
the green turtle is actually their packaging has been wrapped
around a sea turtle or two.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Yeah, Like how do you define it? How Am I
right in thinking it's kind of labels or imagery that
purports to suggest something is eco friendly when it's not.

Speaker 27 (01:21:11):
Yes, yes, and no, there's a there's that, but there's
also the I mean, sometimes those labels may be true, right,
and they may be doing some good stuff. But I
define greenwashing as when a company spends more energy and
resources and money on saying that they're doing green stuff
than actually doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
That's a good definition.

Speaker 27 (01:21:33):
Yeah, there's a difference between you know, there may be
like like MN of ten, they do some awesome green
sustainable stuff. They're not perfect, but they do some awesome stuff.
So there's a difference between greenwashing and just trying your
best and trying to make change, do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Yeah, it's the.

Speaker 27 (01:21:51):
Kind of fooling you into think that they are perfect.
That's that's a green washing activity.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Yeah right, Okay, that's that's a very good distinction, I think,
because because you also don't want to come down too
hard on companies that trying to do the right thing,
showing off that they're doing the right thing understandably, but
also you know, you know, it's a it's a balance,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 27 (01:22:15):
It's a misleading element. Yeah, it's like you know the
different terms that people that you see on brands that
says certified no yeah, yeah, yeah, what you know, or
like organic and they just throw out like natural. Any
brand can use those terms and put it on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Their marketing, so including organic. That's why anyway, that's wild
that there's not a standard for organic that you can
just check it on. Yeah, like your your your organic
like lollies and your organic soft drinks and all that
kind of thing. It's nuts. What like what other things
do you sometimes notice? I mean eco would be one

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that you see all the time.

Speaker 27 (01:22:56):
Yes, eco is everywhere. And sustainable, I mean that's really
over you these days, which is hard because you know,
I love that word, but yeah, it's just you know,
what does sustainable mean? You know when you put it
on a piece of food and in the supermarket, and
I think just the color green is really really overused.

(01:23:17):
If you walk through the supermarket or go to Knas
or something, the color green. I think it's really playing
to our kind of green that's environmentally friendly, you know,
even if it's unconscious of us. Yeah, we want to
do the right thing, but greenwashing is playing on the
consumer's drive to do the right thing. You know, at

(01:23:38):
the end of the day, we would all love to
support the planet, I'm sure, but yeah, there's just so
so much Greene's a green flood, green washing flood.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Yeah, I reckon. I'm at the stage now where I
honestly don't notice it, and I think that is a problem,
and that I've just come to expect it so much
that it kind of just washes over me and maybe
subconsciously I think, oh, yeah, this product, you know, better
for the world than actually is. So how how do
we spot it? How do we stay attuned to it,

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and how do we respond.

Speaker 27 (01:24:13):
So we spot it by if something sounds too good
to be true, you're probably right. So when a brand
says one hundred percent eco, one hundred percent sustainable, or
it is just kind of one of those generic terms,
we asked more questions, so that can actually be you know,
using the word organic can be kind of like a
distraction from all the other parts of the products that

(01:24:35):
aren't sustainable, So looking at what are the terms that
they've claimed and how can they support it because there
are organic certifications, you know, proper third party certifications, So
looking at how that brand can support their claims, and
that can be by just reading more into the label

(01:24:55):
or maybe sending them a message on social media. Off
the brands check that these days, and you as a
customer deserved to know, and you have the capabilities of
asking that question, So emailing them just like looking into
those kinds and saying, Okay, hey, I really love the
sound of your product. You said it sustainable. Can you

(01:25:16):
tell me more what you mean by sustainable? I asked
questions also, like how how can you trust that the
people who made your products were paid fairly? And they
say ethically made. Well, ye, but it's something different to
someone else. And a brand may come back and often
they say, well, we you know, we adhere to all

(01:25:37):
the minimum wage laws. And I'm like, cool, okay, so
you're legal, so you're legally paying people.

Speaker 7 (01:25:43):
You know, yeah, you're not paying them a living wage.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
So yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:25:50):
Just I think we as consumers get quite passive and
don't understand we can ask these questions and I know
that's time consuming. You won't be able to do it
for all products, but maybe just picking one thing that
you know you need and need to get out of
the shops and look, that's kind of the packaging, the labels,
what that company is claiming. And if it feels I

(01:26:12):
fe and wrong, probably your instincts are probably right, and
just ask more questions.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
That's there. That's a really good point. If only there
were just a really simple labeling system. Imagine if there
was like a universal system. I know we were like, right,
every product gets ranked and the you know, think about
how we do car safety and you know you've got
your five star and cap safety rating and that kind
of thing. But imagine if you had that for products
where it was like right, this is like yes you

(01:26:38):
are organic, or yes you are paying a living wage
or whatever. You know, there could be a variety of
metrics by which you get you got scored, make things
so much easier.

Speaker 27 (01:26:47):
There is Bee Corp.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Well yeah, yeah, of course, and you see products that
say we're certified Bee Corp.

Speaker 27 (01:26:52):
Yeah, but even then be Corp has become quite washy
washy and brands like mess So I've gone through so yeah,
we need a really strong labeling system that everyone knows about.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Yeah, hey, thank you so much. Really appre it Kate.
You can find Kate on social media. Just search ethically Kate.
She will pop right up. Thanks for your feedback. I've
just had a little note here from Muz who's been
thinking about the biggest force from Grace O. J. Simpson.
He says, Yeah, that's a big one. So it's a
confetition no one really wants to win, but OJ's up there.

(01:27:25):
He also suggests Lance Armstrong. I reckon Lance Armstrong not
so much. Although it was an almighty fall from Grace,
he's kind of managed to rebuild enough of his reputation
that he's still a very public figure.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I think Ojy's on another level all together, and that
the former Duke of York, Prince Andrew's on another level
all together. So it turns out that the kind of
final straw that broke the camel's back, if you like,
when it comes to Prince Andrew giving up his royal titles,
is this email from twenty eleven that has been discovered now.
And the email was sent from him to Jeffrey Epstein

(01:28:02):
once Jeffrey Epstein was in prison, right, so he'd been convicted.
He was in prison at the stage and Prince Andrews
sent him an email in which he says, quote, we're
in this together, and that's the kind of that That
turned out to be the straw that's broken. The camel's
back on that front anyway, If you've got any other
suggestions for the first Modern Force from Grace on all
their seventeen past eleven on news Storks, but our travel

(01:28:25):
correspondence and next travel.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
With Windy Woo Tours where the world is yours for now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Our travel correspondent is Mike Yardley, but he doesn't just
love travel, he loves Christmas. And Mike, my goodness, I've
just seen a photograph of your lound room and the
tree is well and truly up.

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Twin twinkle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
It looks amazing. Levy and I are very impressed, like
really impressed. And what a lounge room you've got. You've
got the presidential seal in the so your lowndroom almost
looks like a New Zealand version of the of the
Oval Office, but with a giant tree in it.

Speaker 18 (01:29:04):
I am a bit of an American, a tragic along
with being a Christmas tragic. Jack so yes, I spotted
these presidential floor rings. I thought I need one of those,
and it's actually quite cool.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Yeah, that's amazing. So so, in terms of Christmas, do
you have an exact date every year when you put
up your decorations.

Speaker 18 (01:29:22):
Well, actually I did what I did last year, and
being election day last Saturday, I thought, oh, I feel
nervous for the candidates and I had to do an erection,
so I started with the tree. Yeah, and now I've
got about ten days more of titillation to do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Yeah, goodness, I'm glad you love it so much. I
mean this time next week will be two months and Christmas,
So there you go. Crazy, We're going to race up
on all of us. Anyway, this morning we are focusing
on Agra and the taj Mahal, part of the Golden
Triangle in India. And would you consider Agar a pretty city?

Speaker 18 (01:29:58):
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Jack, but
still strikes me as rough ready an absolute ramshack of
a city. The thing, though, is it makes time at
the tars all the more spell binding because you think,
how can such an ugly city have such a masterpiece.

(01:30:18):
But as you drive out of New Delhi, you do
notice a real slippitch in the standard of living on
the approach to Agra, and also a collapse in driving behavior.
My driver said to me, whenever I come close to Agra,
there are three golden rules when it comes to driving
in India. You need a good set of brakes, you

(01:30:42):
need a very good horn, and you need a lot
of good luck. And I think that's very true about Agra.
The other thing is they've got so many crumbling buildings.
We passed this derelict building downtown Agra that has been abandoned,
and the locals call it the monkey house because the
building has been taken over by a master tribe of
two hundred reesius muckacks. So when they venture are out

(01:31:06):
to find a bit of food, they cause total traffic
mayhem on the adjoining road.

Speaker 5 (01:31:11):
Agra is a zoo.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Yeah amazing, It's a yeah yeah in every sense I suppose.
And apart from being home to a world icon, why
would you recommend anyone jaunt to Agra fort?

Speaker 18 (01:31:25):
Yeah, This mighty red sandstone fortress is a marvel. So
it overlooks the Yamuna River and it was established by
the Mogul emperor Akba, who was Genghis Khan's great grandson.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Which I think is so amazing.

Speaker 18 (01:31:42):
But the complex is such a delight to explore because
it just gives you a really good sense of the
architectural grandeur of the Mogul Rain. It's that fusion of
Persian and Indian design, just the most amazing blend. And
there are some really cool highlights, like stepping inside the prison,

(01:32:03):
which is this gilded cage, which is where Shah Jahan
of Taj fame spent the last eight years of his
life because he was booted off the throne by his
Ruh the treacherous Sun. But amazingly, that prison window offers
one of the best views of the Taj Mahal, so
at least Shah Jahan, you know, spend the last eight

(01:32:23):
years of his life marveling over his masterpiece.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Yeah, when's the best time to admire the Taj.

Speaker 18 (01:32:30):
Yeah, good question, because a lot of the site seeing
tours and agra finish off at the Taj for sunset.
But you know, in a place like Argra, you spend
all day out there feeling hot, sticky, and by the
time you get to the Taj for sunset, your dog tired.
That's my experience from fourteen years ago. This time a

(01:32:51):
couple of weeks ago with Wendy Woo Tours. We did
it at sunrise, and man, I don't think I've ever
felt so rewarded for setting the alarm clock so early.
There were only about fifty people on site jack when
I arrived at the taj Mahal. So to have that
lack of crowd, lack of heat, no queueing to take

(01:33:14):
a season Dyane's famous marble bench that is just priceless.
So I cannot recommend sunrise enough.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
That's exactly what I did when I went to the Taj.
I got up really early, got up at alpast four
or five am, and was one of the very first
people through the gate, and I just remember he was
such a good decision. It was one of those places
I always thought that, you know, you travel sometimes and
places don't don't quite live up to the hype. But
my experience, at least going there in the morning, was
that it very much did. And how many people you
built it?

Speaker 18 (01:33:43):
Twenty thousand laborers, but more impressibly a thousand elephants.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Oh my gosh, that's slugging away for eight years.

Speaker 14 (01:33:51):
I know.

Speaker 18 (01:33:53):
They did bring in some specialists from Europe to produce
the marble screens and a lot of the inlay work.
But like you sort of discover in the wake of
the British around the place, the British soldiers actually looted
a lot of the gold and the precious stones from
the Taj Mahal during the British Rajh. So many ingenious

(01:34:14):
touches to its design, though, Jack Is, I'm sure you
appreciate it. I love how those four ornamental men aurets
around the main building, they're all subtly tilted away so
that in the event of a major quake they won't
fall on the main building. And I love how the
taj was purposefully positioned to point north so that it's

(01:34:35):
bathed in maximum sunlight from dawn to dusk, which just
heightens that creamy luster of the marble and nothing detracts
in the background. Ye, that's so ethereal, isn't it, Because
that backdrop is only sky because it was built on
that raised platform. That really was a master stroke and design.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Yeah, it is gorgeous. It's just an incredible building. Like
you said that, that kind of mogul architecture is something else. Say,
you know, one thing I remember from my time at
the Tarjan. It was a long time ago, fifteen years ago,
but I remember going up to the building itself and
seeing that someone had tagged it. Someone. Yeah, someone had
with a vivid. I've got photos of it. Someone had

(01:35:16):
like like tagged the TAJ file.

Speaker 5 (01:35:19):
I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
This, don't bring a vivid to the targ, Like, are
you serious. I'm sure they've cleaned up, but yeah, I
just remember It's one of those things that's always stuck
with me. You know that you can go anywhere in
the world there's still going to be someone being a
total you know what.

Speaker 18 (01:35:37):
That is worse than that is worse than urinating on
the altar of Saint Peter's Basilica, which are good.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
A few days ages I saw that, Yes, I mean
both of them are up there, aren't they disrespectful things
to do? But anyway, is the air pollution still a
big problem and an a threat to the taj.

Speaker 18 (01:35:51):
Yeah, it seems to be this constant worry they have.
And I noticed that they have increased the perimeter area
around the targ from cars and also they have forced
the closure of a lot of factories proximity to the monument.
So yeah, it's a constant prep I was intrigued by

(01:36:11):
that ancient face pack recipe. They used to spruit it
up from time to time. I think they call it
Moltani meaty. So it's this blend of soil and cereal
and milk and lime. Supposedly it beautifies the skin. It
seems to work on the tars, so I might have
to give it a go myself.

Speaker 5 (01:36:28):
Yeah. Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
What about local eats and agra. It's pretty meaty, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:36:33):
Yeah, they're very proud of all things Mogul and agra.
So a rich, meaty aromatic cuisine awaits. If you're partial
to a really good calmer or rogan josh, you will
be right at home. Think creamy, rich graviies and lots
of spices and almonds and cashews and yogurt. I actually

(01:36:54):
became quite partial to this ancient Mogul Empire dessert called
Shahi tukta, and I reckon you could make this at home.
Shahi Tukta means royal bread, so sort of like a
bread pudding, and it's Chris fried bread slices soaked and
sugar syrup, and then they top it with this creamy

(01:37:15):
blend of milk and cornflower spices, and thats. It's really
delicious and actually I noticed a lot of people were
eating it for breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Yeah it does that sounds good. I'm into there.

Speaker 18 (01:37:25):
So what's it called again, Shahi Tukta.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Shah he tukta. Yeah, okay, it sounds great, sounds really good.
Thank you. So you you've got one more little segment
right where we're going to discuss India.

Speaker 18 (01:37:38):
We'll do a bit of Rajasthan and a bit of
New Jeli.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Yeah, hey, thank you so much, Mike. It does sound amazing.
It makes me yearn for India. So I really appreciate that.
All of Mike's tips for visiting Aga and the taj Mahal.
We'll be up on the news talk he'd be website
before midday. We've got this new music from this Icelandic musician,
the guy who wrote the score for broad Church. His
name is all on Oliver Arnaut. It sounds easy when

(01:38:05):
I say that, I said, it's like an Icelandic version
of Oliver, and then his last name is like an
Islandic version of Arnold, Oliver Arnold and Talos. So anyway,
the music's really interesting. It kind of blends all sorts
of different genres and it's quite rich in melodic and sweeping,
so it will play you by the that before midday,
I have your book picks for the week as well.

(01:38:26):
Right now this is gone eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with jack
Team on News talks 'b.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
News Talks. He'd be twenty seven minutes to twelve after midday.
Jason Pine is with us with Weekend Sport and it
is what thirteen years since Jamie Joseph last coach a
New Zealand national team. He is now heading up the
New Zealand or All Blacks fifteen on the November Northern
Hemisphere tour and he's on the show this afternoon Parney.

Speaker 24 (01:39:19):
Indeed, Jackie, I'm just quite interested to know what he
sort of perceives the role of the team to be,
because clearly it's a New Zealand team and whether you
agree or not with the fact that it's called the
All Blacks fifteen, they do wear the black jersey. But
I think a big part of it is just being
there in case of injury for the All Black side
who are up in the Northern Hemisphere at the same time.
But also I guess to allow players to drop down

(01:39:42):
into his side to get some game minutes. There might
be guys that the All Blacks you know, can't utilize
fully during the All Blacks tour, and they might say,
how we need such and such to get a bit
a game time. Jamie will drop them into your side.
Can you give this bloke eighty minutes or whatever? It
might be, so an interesting little dynamic for Jamie Joseph. Also,
he must be loving what's happening in Otago Rugby right now.

Speaker 5 (01:40:03):
So good?

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
How good are they? It was amazing last and like
just much more emphatic than I think I'd been anticipating.
But I was just I was saying in the show
how much I've enjoyed the MPC this year, and especially
seeing the likes of Hawks Bay and Bay have Pleany
doing well in the Semis and Badan promise so much
and then thinks they haven't ended up quite as they
might have hoped in the at the business end of

(01:40:25):
the season over the last couple of years. But it's
fantastic to see, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:40:28):
Oh, I absolutely love the MPC. And look, you know
it can be used as a bit of a punching bag.
But when you look at games like last night under
the roof thereant and even ten thousand turning up making
really a heck of a noise. Yeah, it's just say
Otago playing this thrilling brand brand of rugby. I'm not
sure that many people would have had them in the conversation,
you know, a couple of three months ago as in

(01:40:49):
PC finalists and here we are and I think you know,
everybody outside of christ Church probably is hoping Hawks Bay
win tonight so we can get back to Duneeda.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
For the final next week.

Speaker 24 (01:40:57):
But you know, I know the Red and Blacks left
something to say about that, but it's been really compelling.
Dylan Pledger incidentally on the show this afternoon, this young
gun halfback who has just been taking the NBC by storm,
So would be interested to get inside his head and
inside the Otago camp this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
You're going to take a look at the Silver Ferns
performance last night in the Constellation Cup.

Speaker 24 (01:41:15):
Yeah, the fourth quarter was disappointing, wasn't it? Only behind
by four at three quarter time and then twenty four
eleven they were outscored in the fourth quarter. What went
on there? We'll get the lowdown from coach Yvette McCausland.
Jury just want to also headline something we're doing tomorrow
after midday Jack lou Vincent will join us after midday tomorrow.

(01:41:36):
We all know the story of lou Vincent, magnificent cricketer
drawn into match fixing band for life, had that band
relaxed slightly a couple of years ago, on the road
back to redemption now and doing work to help others
not fall into the same trap that he did. So yeah,
lou Vince are looking forward to an extended chat with
him after the midday News tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
That'd be great. He's been thinking about lou Vincent. He's
really like he's obviously owned what he did, but also
just he's made himself vulnerable, right, Like he's really been
willing to kind of face up to the consequences but
also look to rebuild and to contribute in a positive way.
And I think it's his a lot about the man
it does.

Speaker 24 (01:42:13):
Yeah, he showed complete contrition and I think that was
a big part of how why his life band was
relaxed and he's now set out to help others, like
I say, not fall into the same trap. He addressed
a Victorian police conference earlier this week to talk about
you know, the integrity and you know the threats to
it and high level sports. So yeah, keen to chat Toluvin.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
So you for it.

Speaker 24 (01:42:35):
Also, he got one hundred on Test Day bill against
Brett Lee cricketer, Shane warning he was an amazing cricketer.
He was an absolutely brilliant bat. And yeah, look so yeah,
like I say, luvinsent tomorrow after midday, if people can
make time to have a.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Listener time, I'm really looking forward to that. Thank you,
sir Jason Shane with us for a weekend sport right
after the midday news on News talk to you being
back tomorrow course with Luvins and so that'd be great.
Twenty three to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Saturday morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
That'd be twitter to twelve on News Talks. He'd be
If you've just finished up a book, you're looking for
something new, maybe you got a significant birthday around the corner,
stuck on ideas or recommendations. Katyin Rains is our book reviewer.
She's got two cracking reads for us this week. Good morning, Catherine,
good morning. Right, let's start with Philippa Gregory's latest book,
tell Us about Bolin Traitor.

Speaker 28 (01:43:27):
So Philip had Gregory writes some of the best historical
novels and in this she'll lure back into the world
of Tudor, England, which she's visited before. But this is
from the perspective of Jane, Lady Rochford, wife of George
Bollin and sister in law of Anne, and she was
a lady in waiting to five of the six wives
of Henry Yates. So she's a really interesting view of

(01:43:47):
the court. And she was an informer and a spy
for Thomas Cromwell. And so after the first Queen Catherine
of Aragon, Jane's role really began to change and she
was often one of the closest ladies in waitings to
the Queen, so she knew secrets, she heard conversations, so
new lots of things and privy to lots of things
that most people within the court were not and so

(01:44:09):
it really put her at an advantage and this perfect
position to pass on important information into assisted position in
court and to the most powerful people in England. And
you know, survival and court meant that she was many people.
She was a loving wife, a devoted sister, a friend
as well as a confidant.

Speaker 27 (01:44:26):
But she just gave her.

Speaker 28 (01:44:27):
Huge amounts of power and power to this front seat
of history as it unfolds. And so she really managed
to keep herself one staper ahead of other families that
were trying to move up in court as well. And
Philippa Gregory just weaves this tale that lures you into
that inner workings of the court, and she explains the
life of the worlds and the spy and those and

(01:44:47):
a working for the tutor court and the food and
the clothes and the entertainments and the balls, and that
life and King Henry's the court like was really no other.
And yeah, it's the historical novel of ambition, betrayal and
survival and that Court of Henry the Eighth. And it's
absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Awesome, it sounds sounds fantastic, Okay. So that's boldin Trader
Is by Philippa Gregory. Your second book, Allies and War
by Timboo Yeer.

Speaker 28 (01:45:12):
So this looks in depth at the Allied Powers during
World War Two. So after the fall of France and
June nineteen forties, Britain really stood between Hitler and total victory,
and they were desperate for allies, and Churchill did everything
he could to bring the US into the conflict and
drive a week between Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. And
you know, when you look back into the late thirties

(01:45:35):
or forties, you realize how isolated the British were in
those early stages, because in nineteen thirty nine Moscow had
signed a non aggression pack with Nazi Germany, and the
following year France ends up into German occupation, and the
US is still largely on the sidelines and rarely only
come into the party after Japanese attack Pearl Harbor in
nineteen forty one, and just before that Germany invaded the

(01:45:58):
Soviet Union in June, and so then Churchill manages to
force this alliance with the Soviet leader of Stalin, They
and the UN and they have this common enemy that
held the alliance together. And so that's where they really
are in nineteen forty two. But they were really divided
by ideology and politics and lots of mistrust and deceit.

(01:46:18):
And although Churchill reserve out Installing were partners in the
fight to defeat Hitler, they were also rivals and they
disagreed on strategy and perialism in the future of what
Europe was going to look like. And so Timbavier has
drawn on this material from hundreds of archives. He's got
first hand accounts and unpublished diaries, and you realize how
complicated this alliance was and how the country's involved and

(01:46:40):
their unexpected events of the war and all of that
kind of international and national politics are condred. And it's
a really interesting look at that time and history and
how the mechanisms between rules of our Churchill and Stalin
and their relationships which formed that alliance really worked at
It quite fascinated, right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
So that's Allies in War by Tim Bovie. That's really interesting.
Your first book, Bold and Traitor by PHILIPA.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
Gregory.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Both of those books and all the details about them
will be up on the news he'd be website.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Giving you the inside scoop on the ball you need
to know. Saturday Morning with Jack Dame and Use talks
It be.

Speaker 15 (01:47:16):
Oho God well upon. It feels like this wall is adawning.
Let it alone, don't run us here, feels like this
war is a waking of defain.

Speaker 17 (01:47:39):
Of forest.

Speaker 11 (01:47:41):
Sing you say, to get us known, reaching a defain
and something the pain get us know?

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
This is interesting, isn't it. Songs called Adorning, isn't just
as the day is dawning a dawning. The album is
also called Adorning. It's Oliver Arnold's and Tellos and James
Irwin has been listening. Good morning, James.

Speaker 19 (01:48:13):
Kidda, Jack, Oh yeah, I just gives me goosebumps, this
particularly that song.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:48:19):
And today I'm gonna take our audience in a sort
of a journey into ambient and neo classical electronic music.
And before you raise other my Brown, Yeah, don't worry,
there's no sentence candles here, Jack. We're not going to
We're not gonna get out the Himalayan salt lamps, and
no Lulu lemons are required. This is not day spa music.
It's it's soul music, but not the James Brown kind.

(01:48:40):
It's the kind of music that makes your soul, you know, warm,
It sneaks up on you when the world's really quiet.
And I was kind of thinking, I was thinking this morning,
how do I actually introduce our audience to this this
genre of music. How do I describe it? And it's
probably a little bit like how I heard you before
talking about the taj Mahal early in the morning when
when I was laying in bed this morning, awake, just

(01:49:01):
sort of around six am, the world outside is just
starting to stir. The light and the lot started sort
of creeping through the cracks and the curtain, and it
slowly turns your room to gold, and everything's kind of
felt really cozy. And to me, that's exactly what this
album Adawning sounds like.

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:49:18):
It's a collaboration between Olifer and Albs and Talos, and
Olifer is an Icelandic composer who's mastered the art of
Melancholy's done a lot of incredible music, and Talos not
as so well known. He was an Irish singer. He's
an Irish singer whose voice feels like it's echoing off
as sort of like a distant cliff as we just heard. Now,

(01:49:38):
this album was already appearing on early Album of the
year's lists. I know that you know that's subjective. It
carries a lot of atmosphere with it, It carries memory,
but this album also carries great loss and grief. So
I'm going to tell you about that shortly. Musically, there's
sort of delicate, delicate piano throughout. It's really hesitant piano playing.

(01:50:01):
It kind of tiptoes around Talos's layered, ghostly vocals, and
there's really sweet, beautiful electronic texture.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
But it's subtle.

Speaker 19 (01:50:09):
It's not like it's not banging at the club. It's
really light, you know, subtle pulses and swells. Nothing is
really overwhelming. It's kind of this album's all about restraint,
but there's a whole lot of space in it. So
the first time I heard it, actually I was I
was walking up behind Willington Zoo just after sunrise, and
I had my black labrador trotting beside me, and I'm
pretty sure there was a pea whacker pea wocka woaka

(01:50:31):
dancing alongside with us, and the streets were super quiet,
you know, at that sort of five point forty five am.
The year had that early spring chill, and this music
it didn't kind of didn't grab me for my attention,
just kind of settled in in the background, wrapping around me,
and it kind of waits. It was kind of like
it was waiting for me to realize the magnitude of it.
So Talos, known as Owen French, he actually passed away

(01:50:54):
in twenty twenty four before the album was even finished.
So it's really hard to talk about this album A
Dawning without feeling the weight of that. You can hear
it all in the spaces between the notes a lot.
Like I said last week with with Tweety, these piano
pedals that you can hear creaking and and things groaning
in the room, and I always adore that kind of
sound in the background. There's there's a quiet eight to

(01:51:17):
this album, something that's kind of slipping out of your reach.

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:51:20):
These two met during a residency, and Cork so rest assured.
I imagine there was a lot of Guinnesses in their
first meeting, and they decided to make music together. And
when Owen became seriously ill, they both knew that this
was gonna be their first and last collaboration. So Adorning
is gonna be his final work. It's gonna be his
closing message to the world.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
And that kind of got me thinking.

Speaker 19 (01:51:41):
I don't know if you know this book, Eric Winner's book,
The Geography of Genius. You know when when you get
really talented people come together and the creative dial completely
shifts seismically, you know, like bringing out the very best
of each other. So you know, if I was throwing
out names, you know, maybe Elton John and Bernie Torpen,

(01:52:01):
definitely Lennon and McCartney.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
I personally think Nick.

Speaker 19 (01:52:05):
Cave and Warren Allis. I think Warren Allis has just
made Nick Cave just sing. In the last twenty years,
this project became a kind of preservation. It's kind of
capturing something fragile and beautiful before it kind of slipped away.
And every note is very intentional, and every note feels
really sacred when you're listening to it. You know, I
know I'm throwing around a whole lot of words, but

(01:52:26):
Adorning just isn't an album. It's a man's final offering
to the world. It's a quiet act of holding on
even as his life was letting go. So it was
actually finished after he passed away, and there's so much
care and detail in it. It's really emotional this album
once you know the story, but it's not mournful. It's
like a gentle farewell. It's again it's a bit like

(01:52:46):
that creeping light I said at the start, behind the curtain,
just coming in and just kind of lingering in a room.
There's eight tracks. Each one glows. It's twenty nine minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
Jack.

Speaker 19 (01:52:57):
You know, I always love music that makes you feel
like a place, and adorning feels like a place that
you go to to reset. You know, when we're soft
and gentle, isn't we That stillness is healing and oh
my days? You know, I would say give it a listen.
Not while you're rushing around, but maybe when the sky's
doing that pink blue thing it does late in the day,
early in the morning. Let it unfold, let it breathe,

(01:53:18):
because music doesn't just fill a room, it can change
the ear around you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
I love this album. That sounds great, Jays, So what
did you give it? Well, look, I want to give
it a ten.

Speaker 19 (01:53:27):
I'm going to give it a very hard nine. Okay,
twenty nine minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 19 (01:53:30):
There's not going to be another. It deserves a ten.
I would say go and listen to it. It's ONNLD
streaming SUPERB love it. Thank you so much, James. So
the album is Adawning. It's by Oliver Arnold and Talos.
We'll make sure that the details of the album are
up on the news talks. He'd be website because I
know those names can be a bit tricky, but a
dawning is the one you want to search if you've

(01:53:52):
got the streaming platforms up and you'll be able to
listen to it at home. We will pick another song
from the album and play you that in a couple
of minutes. It's eight minutes to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with JT
News Talks AB.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
And in a blink of the eye, the more blink
of an eye, the morning is over. Thank you so
much for being with us on News Talks. He'd b
it's just coming up to midday, which means that Jason
Pine is standing by with a big afternoon planned on
weekend sport. Jamie Joseph is going to be with them.
He'll be looking at these Silver Fern's performance in the
first Constellation Cup Test against Australia last night as well

(01:54:31):
considering how they can turn things around. We're gonna be
with you next Saturday morning. But until then for everything
from our show, go to Newstalks, HEDB dot co dot
nz ed Ford slash Jack. You'll find it all there.
Thanks as always to my awesome producer Libby for doing
all of the tough stuff and keeping me in line.
We're Gonna Leave You with Oliver Arnold and Talos. The

(01:54:52):
new album is a Dawning Adawning and this song's called
Signs See You next Saturday.

Speaker 12 (01:55:06):
Selling Space.

Speaker 11 (01:55:09):
Burns across the orcan.

Speaker 15 (01:55:16):
Clods, a loss on the Breaking ray Probes and all
They're closing.

Speaker 12 (01:55:28):
All the tape, the fallen, All hat on, Tag Delights falls,
speak as all divice.

Speaker 15 (01:55:55):
Orderly as bidespeak, Go boy, get a home name Buffy,
let us.

Speaker 11 (01:56:03):
See suns or us or did I ask you?

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
Or did I see whig.

Speaker 17 (01:56:13):
In the wall?

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Name a key sor a.

Speaker 11 (01:56:20):
Bh Did I ask me?

Speaker 15 (01:56:23):
Or did a speak boy in the wall?

Speaker 14 (01:56:27):
Name?

Speaker 11 (01:56:28):
Don't breaking the peace?

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
So so for forget the peach?

Speaker 11 (01:56:33):
How did I ask you?

Speaker 15 (01:56:35):
Or did I seek close bog in the wall? Name
I've taken a piece, So I've taken the piece.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
to news talks. It'd be from nine am Saturday, or
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