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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast
from News Talks at BND. Your weekend off the right way.
Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks at b.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
OH.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
We're counting down the hours, we are counting down the
sleeps on News talks 'v this morning. Good morning, so
good to have you with us. This is our final
Saturday Morning together for twenty twenty five. I'm Jack taming
with you through the midday, my absolute pleasure and boy boy,
do we have a show for you today. So before
ten o'clock if you are looking for a bit of inspiration,

(01:04):
here to the twenty fifth for a Christmas Day assert.
Our cook Nikki Wicks has a peach and Bury trifle
cake recipe that I think is going to be just
the trick for you. We've got your film picks for
the holiday period, plus our feature interview after ten o'clock
this morning. As a woman who's had a series of
incredible jobs, so she's had kind of the top marketing

(01:25):
gigs at some of the world's best known companies. So
I don't know if Apple needed much marketing or Netflix
Uber Pepsi, but Bose of Saint John has had the
top marketing gigs at all of those companies. Now, though
she has taken on a new role. She's one of
the stars of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So
why after making it so big in the corporate world,

(01:48):
which she choose to go on a reality TV show.
She'll be with us after ten to explain. Right now,
it's eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Jack Team.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
As a little kid, I always slept terribly on Christmas Eve.
I would try and go to bed early. I would
tell myself that the sooner I went to sleep, the
sooner I would wake up on Christmas morning. But sure
as anything, I'd be up all night listening for any
sound of activity on the roof. Together with my three

(02:20):
little brothers and sisters, we would be desperate for Mum
and Dad to throw open our bedroom doors at first light,
and would scramble down to our spinly and slightly off
scentered Christmas tree to see if Dad's old football socks
had been attended to by Santa overnight. I suspect this

(02:42):
Christmas Eve will be another poor sleep, not because I
will be excitedly listening for the sound of shuffling reindeer
on the corrugated iron roof. But because it's my first
Christmas morning with our ten month old son, we are
taking both our boys to their cousin's place for Christmas.
So five kids average age four and a half. What

(03:06):
could possibly go wrong? Our eldest is already fizzing, but
our baby is going to have absolutely no idea what's
going on, although sure as anything, he'll wake up a
minimum of three times in the night to demand cuddles
and to feed. Christmas I reckon it is. It's kind
of a touchstone for our family. I think, like many

(03:30):
Kiwi families, it is the one time of year when
all of us, or at least as many of us
as as possible, are in one place at the same time.
You know what I mean. You think about it. You
have weddings and funerals and Christmas. Those are the only
occasions in which we are all together, and Christmas is

(03:52):
the only regular one. As a child, you never kind
of think about this stuff. But as you grow older,
you are gently confronted by the reality that, for better
and worse, the numbers in the room on Christmas morning change.
The grandparents whom I shared Christmas Day with as a

(04:12):
little boy are no longer with us no longer sitting
on the couch sipping their coffees and Riley commentating as
the kids tear into the wrapping paper. My granny was
a very active woman, so every Christmas morning, after we
had stuffed ourselves with chocolates and junk, she would lead
a brisk stroll around the neighborhood as we worked up

(04:34):
an appetite for Christmas lunch. Dad and my granddad would
stay at home and race through a cryptic crossword. Now
it's different, I mean, for the kids, it's more or
less the same. It's all magic, it's all a whirlwind,
a blur. But for the rest of us, a new
baby just reinforces our awareness of having stepped up a generation.

(04:59):
So where once I was struggling to sleep through the
night on Christmas Eve, now it's my boys and their cousins.
My parents have become the grandparents sitting on the couch
sipping their coffees, Riley commentating proceedings. My siblings have become
the parents, the aunts and uncles. People who once were
there are not new excited little bodies have taken their place.

(05:25):
And I don't know the sadness in it, but there
is also something quite quite beautiful about it too, you know,
like placing yourself in a generational context like that. It's
a circle of life thing, and it's funny that it
comes at Christmas. I think other cultures and religions probably

(05:48):
have many more of these regular moments, but we're a
little bit short on touchstone traditions, and for me, at least,
Christmas is a short little window every year where the
busy lives in my family are about as aligned as
they're ever going to be. It's a touchstone where, if
you want to, you can step back and observe what's

(06:11):
changed in the family. My son's first Christmas will mean
seeing myself in a slightly different light, not as a
kid or a gift giver or someone helping to set
the stockings under the tree, but as a bridge between
different generations of the same family, hoping that the spirit

(06:32):
of these traditions will continue for many years to come.
Jack Day ninety two ninety two is our text number.
If you want to see me a message this morning,
you can email me as well. Jacket Newstalks, dB dot
co dot zaid our Sporto will join us very shortly
with his thoughts on the Windy's black Caps and maybe
the Ashes in Australia as well. Kevin Milon will kick

(06:54):
us off for our final show of twenty twenty five
next Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame,
It's Saturday morning and this is Newstalks.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
'd be.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack Team news talk said be.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Sixteen minutes past eleven. No news Talks, he'd be Jack.
What a lovely story. I'm sure you brought many a
tear to listener's he is I'm not sure about that eyes.
Maybe I'm not sure about that either, Lynette. It did
for me though, remembering the last eighty years past of Christmases.
Thank you have a great Christmas yourself and your family.
Thank you, Lynette. Love and best wishes to you and
the far No Jack over Christmas. I appreciate it. Ninety

(07:33):
two ninety two as our text number if you want
to send us a message this morning. Lots of text
coming in, so I'll get to those in a couple
of minutes. Right now, they're time to catch up with
Kevin Milne for the last time this year.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Good morning, Kevin, how give it, Jack, you know that
you're going to have a lovely, lovely, memorable Christmas win
and got lots of kids around you.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Yeah, yeah, you do.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
There's something I never I need. Like as a kid,
I could never understand. I would look up at my
parents and be like, man, why are they excited about
presents and all that kind of thing. But of course,
the moment you get a little bit of a few
more runs on the board, you really that actually some
of them. A big part of the magic of Christmas
comes through seeing it through children's eyes, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, so yeah, So we're spending
our Christmas of our grandchildren and their family and in
laws and that sort of thing, and we like them
all and we're all get on well, so.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
That it should be. It should be a lovely day.

Speaker 8 (08:28):
When taught to it.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh, that'll be fantastic. Kevin, And speaking of Christmas, you'd
like to talk this morning about meaningful music.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Well, yeah, A radio station once invited me to name
one song that meant the most to me, and that'd
play it, asking listeners what song meant the most of
them was going to become a daily feature of their program.
I'd be the first contributor and set the course. I
take those sorts of requests overly seriously, Jack, as if

(08:57):
my entire reputation depended on it.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
I thought about it for days.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
What song meant the most to me when I got
back to them was Love of my Life by Queen,
or Yesterday by the Beatles, or Fields of Gold by Sting.
It was the two hundred year old Christmas carol Silent
Night for Me. Silent Night, especially played by a brass band,

(09:24):
brings back rich childhood memories of the happiest of times,
Christmas tree lights, the excitement of opening presents, the Salvation
Army Band playing in the christ streets, playing their carols,
even midnight Mass with my family. It also reminds me
of sad times when my brother was killed in a

(09:45):
car crash fifty nine years ago today, just before Christmas.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Anyway, I let the radio.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Producer know my selection was Silent Night and I wanted
it played by a brass band. She was surprised. I
think they had pop songs in mind, given I was
first up. Maybe they were worried my unusual choice might
skew the whole segment, But they played Silent Night for
Me over the years, their segment turned out.

Speaker 7 (10:15):
To be very successful.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Everyone else but me named their favorite pop song. I
never regretted choosing Silent Night, which, like Christmas itself, has
a mix of joy and sadness about it. In fact,
I reckon if you asked our listeners to name the
one song that means the most of them, Silent Night

(10:39):
would pop up frequently, especially now that I've promoted it.
May you Jack, Producer Libby, and all our listeners enjoy
the holiday break, and may you get plenty of sleep
and heavenly peace.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, it is stirring, isn't it, Kevin. It's a beautiful
It's a beautiful, stirring song, especially as performed by a
brass band. It was very specific, very specific.

Speaker 7 (11:21):
Yes exactly.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Yeah, Yes, I think you're right too. Songs Sorry, it
comes out so much better played by a brass band
and outside on the streets.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, kind of out you know, an
alfrescoey atmosphere kind of thing. A. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
Do you remember Jack and christ Church So they've got
the Salvation Army band I do around Christmas?

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (11:45):
I do.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
It's amazing. Yeah, they're absolutely fantastic. It's a beautiful, beautiful sound,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Well?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Look, Kevin, thank you so much for everything this year.
How many years is this now on Saturday morning? You're
been kicking uself.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Well, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Actually it's the end of the twenty seventh year, is
which is it?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Stunning?

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Twenty seven years exactly the same amount of time I
spend on fair Go. Wow. I never thought i'd match
that record.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah. Well, we love starting Saturday mornings with you, so
thank you very much for everything this year. Have a
wonderful break, won't you and we'll catch you?

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Sure, good man? All right, thanks so much, Kevin, Kevin
Melon starting us off there. Thank you for your text
as well. Beautiful words Jack this morning says Rose. Merry
Christmas to you and your family. Hope you have a
great day. Jack. You've rekindled our happy memories of Christmas's past.
We are particularly thinking of our parents at Christmas, and
always thisays clear. Now we're the grandparents. They set the pace,

(12:41):
they set the standards. Now we just do our very
best to carry their love through to our grandkids. A
very happy Christmas to you and your family. Thank you
so much. Ninety two ninety two if you want to
send us a message this morning. It's twenty two past.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Night, getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on news talks'd be cats.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Look, this's a note to say Jack, I'm with Kevin.
All time favorite is Silent Night and sorry. That was
from Chris and Jill, says Jack and Kevin. Salvation Army.
The Salvation Army Band were playing Silent Night, ricking and
mall yesterday. It was wonderful. Merry Christmas to you both.
How about that? Andrew Sevil's an old lad from the
O three. He probably remembers the Salvation Army Band playing

(13:25):
Silent Night round the traps, around the hustlings back in
the day.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Sev I think they used to walk the streets. Jack, Yeah,
ye I could.

Speaker 9 (13:34):
I remember them walking the streets and stopping every so
often and firing up again.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
Yeah, those are the day.

Speaker 9 (13:40):
Speaking of old school, thank you very much for the
handwritten Christmas card. It's the apart from my older sister,
you're the only two people in the world we have
time to write Christmas cards.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
So I think you know, what do they say? If
you want, if you if you've got something that needs doing,
get a busy person to do it.

Speaker 9 (13:58):
I thought this year might have been well, last year
might have been your last given thee.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
And as you get old, your hand it's worse. But no, no, no, no,
thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
You're very welcome, very welcome.

Speaker 7 (14:10):
So you could have sell to take the Scorch Darmond
of the insights.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Next year. It'll always work on. Hey, I'm going to
get to you your highlights of twenty twenty five and
a couple of minutes. It's very quickly though. Take a
look at the state of leadership and New Zealand's biggest sports.
So we have New Zealand rugby, New Zealand netball and
now New Zealand cricket all needing new CEOs.

Speaker 9 (14:33):
I don't think we've ever seen a situation like this.
Jack talking to a long time sports administrator a few
weeks ago, primarily about the cricket situation, he said to me,
remain nameless. He said to me, Look, he just thinks
is a real distinct lack of top line leadership in sport.
Firm top line leadership A lot of a lot of people,

(14:54):
I think get to the heights of the top of
each sport. Maybe from a business background with a little
smattering of sport mixed in. Yeah, but these are really
intricate jobs, especially in New Zealand and rugby.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
You know, you're you're.

Speaker 9 (15:07):
Running a half billion dollar company at least, and then
you're also going to talk to rugby club in the
middle of now we're in the South Island, you know,
and their concerns about rugby.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
So that is a that is a really difficult job.

Speaker 9 (15:21):
The other thing is that players associations have become more
and more powerful over the years. I don't think that's
totally a bad thing, because, let's face it, it's the
players who put their bodies on the line or who
are skilled and who attract the tension and attract the
sponsorship and attract and attract the dollars, so they should
be getting their cut. They should be having a major say.

Speaker 7 (15:43):
So, it's all. It's a it's a mix of things.
But yeah, this is just a bizarre situation for the
three arguably most high profile sports in the country to
be without CEOs as we as we head into the
new year. Very odd.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's a very good point you raise, though, about the
unique set of skills required to be an administrator at
that top level, isn't it, Because you.

Speaker 7 (16:06):
Can't just come in and run a business.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
More than that.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
It's but and and those competing forces. Right, So say,
take take New Zealand rugby, where you're trying to maximize
the return on the All Backs brand whilst protecting the
brand as much as possible, but then also turning out
in hot a fine word to talk to the local
clubrooms and and try and get the balance between retaining
players at the very top end in order to reinforce

(16:32):
the brand and you know, and and maximize the elite
level performance while at the same time try and bring
money down into the into the lower grades.

Speaker 9 (16:43):
To Yeah, if you don't foster the grassroots, your national
team won't have any players. The production line will run out.
Speaking of which I just quickly I was at the
Global You Seven's event at Utin. You say, and gef,
if you thought the rugby or rugby league production line

(17:03):
was running out for male and females, go to this tournament.

Speaker 7 (17:07):
Gee, there's some skill on talent.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (17:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (17:10):
Yeah, you especially that a lot of the Ossie players
have come over the planet Jack very rong talented.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
So if you have concerns about the production.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Line, running out there.

Speaker 9 (17:21):
Maybe maybe we shouldn't be so concerned about black Caps.
And also did you see this big bash last night?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
How many sixes was this? So it was two fifty
scorches versus the heat, right.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
Yeah, two fifty seven of twenty overs, which is a
massive score by the Perth team, and then two fifty
eight for two with one border spear from the World's
gone mad.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I mean it is silly. Yeah, it is just asletely ridiculous,
isn't it. Yeah, black Caps in an interesting position. Yeah,
I mean you'd still say on top. Although the Windy's
yesterday were scoring at a fear club themselves.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
I think it's safe to say the mount to Monganu
pictures about his paradise. Good on Devin Conway, who's been
out of form for some time, to good on them
for sticking there was guns and backing himself.

Speaker 7 (18:08):
And scoring a big, big big scores besist ever and
Test cricket.

Speaker 9 (18:12):
So he is well and truly. Back and forth now,
so you know, intriguing a few days ahead, yes.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Right, highlights of twenty twenty five. What stands out to you?

Speaker 7 (18:19):
Where do I start?

Speaker 9 (18:22):
I've written a bit of a list. Sammy Maxwell, the
mountain biker. What an amazing story there, you know, all
the ups and downs she went through to the Olympics
and now she's a world champion. Ryan Fox's two PGA
titles in America a real career breakthrough there. He had
Jordy be Mish and Hamish Curve winning at the world
championships in sports that yes, middle distance we haven't had

(18:46):
a champ for a long long time there, Jack and
Hamish Kerr continues to rule the high jump world and
who would have thought a key we would ever do that.
Georgia Miller in sevens and fifteen's Alice Robinson, Zoe Sadowski
senate world champion again Sadowski Center, I think for the
third or fourth time. Auk FC's first season. If remember
back to yeah, earlier in the year, Hayden Wilde's comeback

(19:09):
after riding his bike into the back of a garbage
truck in Tokyo, almost riding himself off, has come back
to win all those all those triathlon events was quite
outstanding as well. So it's been a it's been a
pretty it's been a pretty good year, and a lot
of it's been from our non standard.

Speaker 7 (19:27):
Sports if you like, which which which are getting better
and better.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's true. Can I add one? I think you've overlooked him.
Sorry no, Chris Wood and this Chris Wood and in
the in the last EPL season. He's been injured for
most of this one. But I mean just ridiculous to
see him up there on the on the on the
goalscorers list with you know, like Mo sulla Erling Harland
and from Hamilton.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Yeah yeah e p l.

Speaker 9 (19:55):
And then you've got Steven Adams still coming back, yeah,
injury and dominating and the paint in the n B.

Speaker 7 (20:00):
A of all of all places, for goodness sake, did you.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
See did you see Lebron talking about him the other day?

Speaker 7 (20:05):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
I did, Yes, great, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
Yeah that's a massive pat on the back.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah good, No, No, Well, I said, hey, thank you
so much for everything this year. I hope you're going
to be working through it's your passion, but I hope
you can still afford a bit of a break and
that someone at the very least makes up for my
scorched Dilmond Fox.

Speaker 7 (20:24):
Pa, I knocked off my first box yesterday.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Oh very good. Oh yeah, I wouldn't expect anything, so yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
Great, Christmas, you and your family, and then summer.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Thanks That is our sporto Andrews saim I'll get to
borrow your feedback in a few minutes before ten o'clock
on news Talks. He'd be if you are looking for
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(20:56):
which I reckon could be just the tricks. I'll share
that very shortly. Next up your film picks for the
weekend and for the summer. It's twenty eight to ten.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
But they come in.

Speaker 10 (21:15):
Again s.

Speaker 11 (21:27):
Anywhere scene twenty.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Five to ten on News Talk V. So the short
lists just been released for twelve categories at the Oscars,
and that song Drive by Ed Sheeran made it into
the shortlist for Best Original Song. It's from that If
One movie. Ryan Coogler's film Sinners was dominant in the
yearly shortlist with seven recognitions. Time out to get your

(21:54):
film picks for the weekend. Francesca Rudkin is here with
us this Morning.

Speaker 12 (21:58):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
So our first film This Morning doesn't actually hit cinemas
until January first, but I know a lot of people
have been waiting for this one. So let's have a
little listen to songs Sung Blue.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
I'm not a songwriter, I'm not a sex symbol. I
just want to enter teen people.

Speaker 12 (22:15):
I don't want to be a hairdresser.

Speaker 13 (22:17):
I want to sing, I want to dance, I want
to garden.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I want a cat. What do you think?

Speaker 14 (22:20):
Who don't want to be a Neil Diamond impersonator?

Speaker 4 (22:24):
You want to be a Neil Diamond interpreter. I was
looking for the right way to see and you just
came right out and said.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
That is Hugh Jackman, Kate Hudson Stars and songs Sung
Blue as well. Tell us about it, Francisca.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
Okate, since she has been nominated for Best Performance by
a Female and Emotion Picture Musical Comedy at the Golden Globes.
And I'm really excited about this because Hugh Jackman, we
know that he's a showman, right, We know he can
sing and dance and act, and that if you if
you gave him a role as an impersonator, he'd absolutely
nail it. So here's exactly what we expect. But Kate Hudson,

(22:59):
she is a real revelation in this film and it
sort of takes me back to almost famous. This is
probably my next favorite role she's had, and she is
just divine. She is so charismatic. She's a charismatic performer.
She actually has released an album. She can sing. She
has released an album which.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
A lot of people might not know.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
And not too long ago. Yeah, not too long ago.
But look, she just takes on this character of clear.
She's a hairdresser or a divorcee and mother of two.
She's prone to a bout some depression. It's music that
keeps her grounded and happy. And this is actually based
on a true story. So it's based on a true
story of there's two people who meet at the Wisconsin

(23:38):
State Fair in the eighties. The costumes are fantastic and
the hairstyles are fantastic. They meet and they're both performers.
They kind of work. They do the circuit, you know,
performing as different artists and things, sort of the impersonation
sort of sec They meet and they fall in love
and they've both got a lot of baggage. There's sort
of you know, I don't know, late forties, eighty fifties

(24:00):
or something, and they've got their baggage in their lives
and they come together and it's this beautiful love story
and they decide to sort of create the Meal Diamond experience,
and they start to really take off in Milwaukee, and
they even are asked to open for Pearl Jam, which
is hilarious because they you know, Jackman's character does makes

(24:20):
you know who pel Jam is much doesn't know who
pel Jam is anyway. So there's this wonderful story, but
they deal with a lot of tragedy. They deal with
some crazy things which happened, which you kind of watching
the film going really did this happen? But it did
all happen, and so they have a lot of highs
and lows, and so sort of we follow this love
story as an unfold. This is a film that will

(24:43):
have you laughing, it will have you singing, It will
probably have you crying.

Speaker 13 (24:47):
But at the end of the day, they do a really.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Nice job of making it a rousing crowd pleaser as
well as a bit of a tear jerky you know,
and you can't help but sing along. I took my
sixteen year old daughter who totally tolerated the Neil Diamond
and loved it and got into it. But of course
this is I think has probably aimed more at my
mother's generation.

Speaker 15 (25:05):
She's gonna I like that.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Okay, that was my question, because if I'm one hundred
percent honest with you, I'm not a huge Neil Diamond fan.
It's just a bit on the nose for me, you know.
And so yeah, just a little bit on the nose
for me. But look, each to their own, you know.

Speaker 12 (25:21):
I kind of grew hot.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
August Night was kind of the background to my very
early childhood, so I've kind of got a fondness for it.
But look, their performances are great, and as I say,
this is a film about hope, about following your dreams
no matter what age you are, Like, there's a lot
more to it, so, you know, but there is a
lot of Neil Dimes.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, very good, Okay, this morning, No, But I mean,
like I can, I can lean into the feel good
side of things as well. But good to know, thank you.
So that song sung Blue, that hits cinemas on January first,
stars Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman. Next up, hitting cinemas.
I think on Boxing Day this year the twenty sixth
tell us about my brother's band.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
So this is a French film. It was a huge
hit in France. It was nominated for seven is Our Awards.
It follows two brothers who was operated when they were
just babies and they're reunited as adults and they kind
of managed to reunite through music. There's a bit of
a theme with my films today. This is also a
very charming, crowd pleaser. It does deal with some quite

(26:19):
deep themes, but look, the film doesn't delve into them
really deeply enough to turn this into a heavy experience.
Director Emmanuel Cocole has very much kind of tried to
sort of present this story with a lightness to it.
We have this wonderful character, Tibo, and here's a world

(26:40):
famous conductor. He comes from a very well to do family.
At the beginning of the film, he discovers he has
leukena he needs a bone marrow transplant. Then he discovers
his family is not his family and that he was adopted.
He discovers he has a younger brother, Jimmy, and he
goes and asked him for help to get a transplant.
Now this all happens very quickly, and then we kind

(27:00):
of move on from this scenario. This is a setup,
and the majority of the film was spoken on getting
to know that these two characters, getting to know each
other and navigating how to be in each other's lives
and accepting their fate. So Tipo, he ended up in
a very well to do family. He had all the

(27:21):
opportunities in the world, and he's now the school of
famous director. His brother, who also has pitch perfect hearing
and has also very musical, lives in this very small
industrial town and has quite a different life, and so
the two of them have to sort of reconcile how
some adults made a decision which impacted their lives so differently.

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It's kind of a little bit it's been described a
little bit as a French as a French version.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
Of brass Off.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
It's a film about how music unites us and things,
but it's another crowd pleaser that might just bring a
little tear to their eye as well.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Oh very good, Okay, cool, So that's my brother's band
that hits cinemas on December twenty sixth. Francisca's first pick
for US this weekend was Song Sung Blue that is
in cinemas on January first. All of the details for
those movies will be on the news Talks website. Have
a fantastic summer, Francisco. You're going to be going on
some ridiculous ultra marathon or something.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Knowing you No, Jack got Dodgy, n Oh, I'm living
the adventures till a little later in next year. No,
but merry Christmas to you.

Speaker 13 (28:28):
I hope you have a lovely times family.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, you too, Thank you so much. Francesca Francisca Rudkin
with her film picks for us this weekend. Don't forget
after ten o'clock if you are feeling like actually you
just cannot be bothered getting off the couch this weekend.
We've got screen time picks for this weekend. That's when
we get three shows to watch or stream at home.
We're going to tell you about the new season of
The Pit. This had so much hype. The first season

(28:52):
of The Pit had so much hype. People said it
was the most realistic medical drama in many, many years.
It has a bit of an er kind of vibe,
but it's really realistic and can be pretty harrowing at times.
So we're going to tell you about the new season
the Pit in our screen time segment after ten this morning.
Right now, it's seventeen to ten.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Saturday morning with Jack Team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US talk a.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Ten on newst Be Nicki Wecks is our cooksies with
us this morning. Good morning, Oh yes, good morning. You
were close. So close, it's so close, it's so close.
So well, do your Christmas dessert. We've got your fantastic
sounding Christmas dissert and I've seen the photo already. My gosh,
it looks infudible, it looks so good. Very quickly, do
you have some top like Christmas tips for the main

(29:40):
dish if you're doing a turkey, any top tips? So
I've got one and that's embraced the bag. Don't be yeah,
don't be embarrassed about doing in a roasting bag. Honestly,
keep those juices in, you know.

Speaker 13 (29:52):
Yeah, embrace the bag unless you will be food ed.
For New Zealand Woman's Weekly and you embrace the bag
one year for the photo shoot, and of course it's
so beautifully falling apart that it ended up to be
a turkey platter that year for those that so, yes,
I think that's a great idea. If you can't quite
embrace the bag, what I recommend you do is certainly

(30:14):
cock its breast side up. But then once you have
finished cooking it, turn it over and then all the
juices while you're resting it will run into the breast
and you'll have a much less dry situation. It is
a tricky one a turkey, buy a small one as
my other thing, and my number one tip is do
as much as you can in preparation beforehand, and I

(30:34):
mean good. You know that's what chefs do. They prep, prep,
prep for ages. You know restaurants have their first guests
at say six pm. Well they don't tune up at
five o'clock to do that. They are more like five
am in the morning. So yeah, just prep everything, which
is really lovely, and don't stress because it's Christmas and
who cares. Maybe don't drink too much, I mean think

(30:55):
of the beer. Don't get too sloshed if you're the
main cook, yes for that or anyone really, if you're
a guessed exactly maintains Maybe take your decorum, people.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I reckon that's a good that's a good piece of advice, though,
I mean the drinking is in moderation is always good advice.
But they don't don't care too much. Like Christmas, A
good Christmas is not decided by the quality of the turkey,
you know, but likely it's sure, it might be a
little component. But you know, if you're if you're eating
cheese toasties on Christmas Day, if the company's good and

(31:29):
the band is good, that it's always going.

Speaker 13 (31:31):
To be exactly. And gravy fixes everything exactly, and whipped
cream fixes everything, so you're okay, right, So I've got
a peach and berry trifle cake.

Speaker 11 (31:40):
Now.

Speaker 13 (31:41):
I love a trifle so much so that I put
it in the newspaper last week as an option for Christmas.
And I do love a trifle, a traditional trifle, but
there was something slightly slightly clumsy about scooping something out
of a bowl. I always think, So this trifle cake,
an actual fact is you know you'll have elegant slices
of this, and so I kind of love that, and

(32:03):
it's and it's super easy. So I used to all
board trifle sponges. You knock yourself out if you'd like
to make your own trip responge. That's fine, but you
know it is not the time for making life harder
for ourselves. Get its spring form tin. This feeds about
ten to twelve, so twenty to twenty two seems to
me to spring form tin. That's the one that the
bottoms come out of. If you can, If you haven't,

(32:24):
just layer it up with baking paper so you can
lift this whole thing out. Put a double layer of
baking paper around it, and so that it comes up
above the rim of the cake tin. Okay, so you've
got what we call a chef's caller a collar on it.
That sounds difficult, but it's not. Cut one of your
sponges through the middle, so that you've now got one
thick sponge and two thin ones, and cut them to

(32:45):
the shape of your tin. I if you bought square
trifle sponges, you're gonna have to round them off. Place
the thick sponge in the base of the cake tin.
So it's very much. This is an assembly, which is great.
Rather than a book. Drizzle with a third of a
cup or third of about twenty five meals of sherry.
Sprinkle that over there. Then spoon over a layer of
custard I buy not an ad but I like it

(33:06):
is the meadow fresh, thick and creamy. It only comes
in the big containers, so you'll buy that, but it's
better than the thinny one. Top this with some peach slices.
You're going to use about two cups of peach slices.
Tins will do, but at the moment, the peaches are
pretty blooming grate. So slice some of those up perps
and squeeze a little bit of lemon juice over them,

(33:28):
which will kind of mush them up a little bit,
which is what we want, and arrange those on top
of your sponge. Scatter over a third of the raspberries. Again,
you're going to use about a punet of raspberries in
this recipe and a punnet of blueberries for the top.
But use a third of your ras. We squish them
a little bit. Jack you could use strawberries so that
they kind of bleed into the custard filling and the sponge.

Speaker 12 (33:50):
I love that.

Speaker 13 (33:51):
Add a second layer of the sponge. This time you're
using a thin layer because you've cut one of them
and you know through the middle and repeat. Sherry custard, fruit,
cherry custard fruit top with the final layer of a
sherry of sherry soaked sponge. Press it down quite a
little bit firmly, and I use a little dinner plate
that can't sit on that, and you really do want
to chill it overnight, so just pop that and if

(34:13):
you put a dinner plate on top of it, it'll
be safe in the fridge. Just before serving, spoon over
clouds of lovely whipped cream, some slivid almonds for that
lovely crunch, and then some blueberries. And I really encourage
that you take the time to cut some of the
blueberries as well as leaving some of them a whole.
They're quite fun to cut in half they look pretty,
and the remaining raspberries that you'll have, and then dust

(34:37):
the whole thing with icing sugar just before serving. And
it is an absolute glory of a dessert. And our
beautiful listeners can have a look at that photograph online,
but it's just beautiful. If you've got kids, you can
use orange juice instead of sherry, or you can just
pretend you're in Europe and the kids.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Get exactly yes, yes, I love that. Some slightly conflicting
messages this morning when it comes to drinking a moderation
from Nicky.

Speaker 13 (35:04):
About that exactly, Yeah, don't drink all start um.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. But there's the critical thing there. So,
in continuing the theme of getting organized early prep prep prep,
you need anytime you're doing anything involving trifle, you want
to let it sit for a while, right, So it
kind of like that's the creative part.

Speaker 13 (35:25):
Yeah, you can even do this late on Tuesday if
you wanted to. Yeah, if you want the day before.
You know, it's gonna be fine. This cake, it's going
to hold up. Remember we did a nice thick glare
on the bottom, so that's still going to be fine.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
And if you're bringing it out for dessert, if you
are saying doing dessert an hour and a half after
you're doing the mains, would you pull us out as
you're serving the turkey of the ham, just to give
it a bit of time.

Speaker 13 (35:49):
To maybe okay, kind of nice about it, a bit
chilly pool on the palette, you know what I mean.
That's a very good question, Jack Taane, But no, i'd
probably act leave.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
It in there because got a lot of dessert related questions. Yeah,
that's all.

Speaker 13 (36:03):
Right, What are you going to have what are you
gonna have for dessert?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, see, my mom is just oh no, she's just
My mum is such an amazing cook and she just
goes so hard every Christmas. So we have all sorts
of Christmas baking. Although there has been a bit of
a disaster. I'm going to read to you direct from
the Tame family WhatsApp chat last night. So yes, he's
a mom, says savory puff pastry incorrectly labeled as short

(36:27):
crust pastry, two dozen mince pies, and then she moves
to capitals and says disaster. So I'm sure for you, Well,
I'm sure that things are actually okay knowing here. So
we'll have Christmas mince pies, we'll have shortcake, we'll have
Russian fudge. All of this is homemade. We have we'll
have my mum's famous Christmas cake. And for Christmas dessert,

(36:50):
I don't know, but my mum has a real thing
with tradition in which she makes a traditional Christmas pudding
which she brings out to the table and lights on
fire in dramatic style. Yeah, and hidden inside are old
silver coins. Oh, I love it. It's a real We're
turning back the hands of you know, like Florin's and
that kind of thing. You know, I love it.

Speaker 13 (37:11):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Well, be careful when you take a bite though, because
you get that can end in you do.

Speaker 13 (37:15):
And look, because you're you're an uncle and a dad,
now you can do this. So this is a this
is a Wix family tradition. We also have the pudding
with the coins in it. We also we have current
coins we boil because that's more fun for the kids
to go and speak. And my granddad and then my uncle,
well then my dad usually and then one of us
girls now does this. We it's a bit gross, so

(37:37):
prepare yourself. But you fold up like a ten or
a twenty dollars note, and at some point you sneak
into your mouth, just ever so quickly because you don't
want really that in your mouth. And then then you
start coughing at the table and everyone's like.

Speaker 11 (37:52):
Oh my god.

Speaker 12 (37:53):
Yeah, and then you pull this out and you should
see the kids.

Speaker 13 (37:57):
Oh great, okay, so you found that in the pudding.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
So that you go fantastic. Thank you so much. Nick.
You have your wonderful Christmas catch you get very soon six.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
To ten, giving you the inside scoop on the ball
you need to know. Saturday Morning with Jack Team Newstalgs eDV.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Right, So, if you are looking to make Nikki's amazing
sounding and even more amazing looking peach and buried trifle cake,
we'll make sure that recipes on the news talk z'db website.
If my mother is listening this morning, please there is
no expectation that you make all of those things. I
know how much you love Christmas baking. You know how
much we love your Christmas baking, but please, we would
love for you just to have some chill time over

(38:36):
Christmas as well. After ten o'clock this morning, we've got
your screen time picks for this week, and our feature
interview is Bozama Saint John. She's had all sorts of
high flying, glitzy jobs at some of the world's best
known companies, but she's thrown it into become a reality
TV star. She is one of the stars of the
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So why would you sign

(39:00):
up for that? News is next. It's almost ten o'clock.
I'm Jack Tame. This is News Dogs.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
eDV, cracking way to start your Saturday. Saturday Morning with
Jack Tame youth talks at the.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Joe and he's healing. Good morning, you were Jack Tame
for our final Saturday Morning together of twenty twenty five.
You would have to say The Real Housewives of Beverley
Hills is one of, if not the most iconic reality
TV franchise. It's now back for its fifteenth season, and
there is perhaps no housewife in history that has a heftier,

(39:59):
more prestigious TV than that of Bozamas. Saint John Bows
joined the series last year of the back of a
twenty year run as a marketing executive working with brands
like Apple, Netflix, Uber, and Pepsi. She's been recognized by
Forbes as the world's number one most influential chief marketing officer.

(40:19):
She quickly became a fan favorite after joining the show
for her ability to bring boardroom realness to the drama
of the nine zero two one zero and Bose is
back for season fifteen and is with us this morning,
killed her Good morning.

Speaker 12 (40:33):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
You have had an extraordinary career, all of these big
jobs and all of these big companies. So why on
earth after all of that did you decide you want
to be a real housewife?

Speaker 12 (40:45):
Well, because that's also part of my reality.

Speaker 16 (40:48):
You know, there are so many women like me who
have had corporate jobs who have you know, done their
best to try and get promoted and have sometimes you know,
had challenges in it, have learned a lot of life lessons,
also balancing motherhood, also balancing wafefood. Also maybe have lost
a husband, you know, not necessarily the way I did,

(41:09):
but through divorce and what else. So I felt it
was really important to represent, you know, that type of
woman on this type of show because you know, I
think women who are like me in their late forties
early fifties also deserve a little bit of love, you know,
especially from storytelling.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Absolutely absolutely, So how do you think that business experience
helped prepare you for the show?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (41:34):
I think in a lot of ways.

Speaker 16 (41:35):
I mean, look, when you're a leader, especially of big
companies where you have a lot of people to work with,
you very quickly learn solutions, you know, especially conflict resolution
between people and communication is key, it is paramount, and
so you have to be clear, you have to be direct,
you have to give feedback quickly, you know, where people

(41:57):
can understand what you're saying and not misinterpreted. And so
that I think has been probably the best practice that
I've had in communicating with these women who have such
different backgrounds and who may not always understand my perspective
or where I'm coming from, and figuring out different ways
to communicate so that my message can land.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, I definitely think you achieved that. I think that's
what fans loved about your Like you just come on
and you just straight to the point. Not I wouldn't
say rude, but just direct, And it's kind of refreshing
in that environment where so much communication is kind of
what is left unsaid or meaning behind different words, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 16 (42:38):
That's exactly right, because what's unsaid is what frustrates me
about like soap operas, you know, because I'm literally like.

Speaker 12 (42:46):
Why did you not just say that he is behind
the door? You know what I mean?

Speaker 16 (42:50):
Like, now we've got three episodes left where everybody's trying
to figure out where he's at. You know what I'm like,
if you just said he was behind the door, you
guys can have solved this already.

Speaker 12 (42:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (42:58):
So that's the feeling I have whenever I'm in conversations,
I'm like, hey, so what happened exactly? You know, what
is your opinion on this thing, and I just want
to know the information.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
So you came in in the fourteenth season. Does that
mean that you had to binge watch the previous thirteen
seasons or had you been watching the whole way through?

Speaker 16 (43:15):
No, you know what, I have to be honest, I
wasn't watching the whole way through, but I am a
fan of the Housewives franchises, and so there are other franchises.

Speaker 12 (43:24):
That I have watched since the beginning.

Speaker 16 (43:26):
But I also didn't want to come into this group
blind and so I absolutely watched the episodes. I made sure,
you know, that sort of cherry picked, just so I
could get a sense of who these women are and
what their backstories are and what their perspectives are before
I entered the room.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
So, having done that, having done your research, having done
your homework, what surprised you about the show?

Speaker 12 (43:46):
Oh man, so much?

Speaker 16 (43:48):
First of all, you know, I think, like a lot
of people, I assumed that, I mean, this is kind
of rude to say, but that like some situations are manufactured. Yeah,
you know that, like people are put together and they're like, okay,
talk about this. But the truth of the matter is
that that's not what happens at all, you know, and
because it's been so much time, you know, Look, it's

(44:09):
a lot of time that you're spending with these women.

Speaker 12 (44:12):
Your feelings get very deep, very fast. You know.

Speaker 16 (44:16):
I used to be one of those people that made
fun of like all of like the love shows, you know,
where I'm just like.

Speaker 12 (44:21):
How did you roll in love with this guy in
like two weeks? You know, Like guy's a crazy why
did you decide you want to marry him?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
You know?

Speaker 12 (44:26):
But now I'm like, oh, I understand, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 16 (44:29):
Yeah, because like I think, like after like episode two,
I was ready to follow the sword for Drey, you
know what I mean, Like I'm ready to fight p
K at the drop of dim.

Speaker 12 (44:37):
I've never even met the man, you know, and I like,
I want to fight him now.

Speaker 16 (44:40):
And so I think for me, there is a real
deep connection that was very unexpected because I didn't know
how real it is.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
That must be so nice for to surprise on the upside,
as opposed to coming in and being like, oh no,
they did me dirty on the edit or whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I'm thinking like I thought I came across really well,
and actually everyone's being really mean about me.

Speaker 16 (45:02):
Yeah, well, I will tell you that it's very strange
to watch this sho show back. Yeah, you know, it
is very It's a very strange thing because in the
conversation and sometimes I forget what I said, you know
what I mean, and so I'm just like, oh did
I say that? Oh my god, I think I should
have said that a nicer way, you know, like where
you're just like, oh, I didn't mean to be so,
But it's the it's who I am, and I think

(45:25):
you know, it comes across whether or not you're rude,
or you're direct, or you're funny or whatever.

Speaker 12 (45:30):
It's just catching who you are and that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
See, that's interesting. Authenticity is the key in that sense.
But given given your professional experience, do you think you
came on thinking more about your own brand and about
perceptions about you as a person compared to people who
didn't have that same that same kind of level of background, right.

Speaker 16 (45:51):
I think actually it helped me because I recognize that
authenticity is the only way to build a brand. You
know that they're if you put on you know, uh,
personality or you're thinking too much about it. Oh, I
want people to think of me as like sensitive, you know,
and therefore I must do like people can see.

Speaker 12 (46:12):
Through that so quickly.

Speaker 16 (46:14):
Yeah, you know what I mean That like in real life,
like when you're coming up through corporate and especially as
a marketer, it's like when you're leading people, they see
through that crab so quickly, you know, and.

Speaker 12 (46:25):
You cannot do that.

Speaker 16 (46:26):
And that's why I've been so adamant even in my
post corporate career when I advise or a mentor, where
I'm just like, look, you don't have to look at
the corner office and be like, oh, that's the person
I want to be, you know. It's like, no, you
want to be yourself in that corner office. And that's
the same way that I approach, you know, these relationships
and how I am perceived on the show. It's like, look,

(46:48):
if you like me, you're gonna like me in real life.
If you don't like me, you're not gonna like me
in real life. And I'm okay with that.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Do you have do you have kind of I'm sure
it's hard to distill a set of principles as such,
but do you have kind of cool principles that you
think define your athoughts when it comes to marketing because,
like I said, you have worked for these extraordinary companies
in these massive roles.

Speaker 16 (47:11):
Yeah, I do. I mean the thing is that at
the end of the day, you have to find what
is unique about the service or the product and then
hone in on that.

Speaker 12 (47:22):
And so that same.

Speaker 16 (47:23):
Conversation we're just having about authenticity as a human is
the same way that you approach how you market a
brand anything an adamant object and person. You know, It's like,
what are the unique attributes that will make people connect
with that thing?

Speaker 5 (47:39):
Right?

Speaker 16 (47:39):
Because again, I think a lot of times in human behavior,
we think that we have to be similar in order
to like each other, you know. But I think you
and I could probably sit down and you could tell
me your life story, I'll tell you my life story,
and maybe we have no intersection at all, you know,
in our experiences, but we are curious about each other
because of that, yeah, you know. And so it's like, look,

(47:59):
when you're building a brand or building yourself or presenting yourself,
you don't have to be like the lowest common denominator.

Speaker 12 (48:06):
You don't have to be like everybody else.

Speaker 16 (48:08):
But the interesting things about you or what are going
to make people connect with you.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's great advice. What do you tell people
in your mentoring roles, and especially young women who look
at your professional success and say, man, I want a
little bit of bozema in my life. What do you
tell them?

Speaker 12 (48:21):
Exactly?

Speaker 16 (48:22):
Well, first of all, I tell them, look, you're never wrong,
They're always right.

Speaker 12 (48:26):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (48:27):
It's like and also, you enter these rooms and you think,
because people have more experience or you know, they've done
this longer than you, that somehow they're smarter than you,
and most of the time they're not.

Speaker 12 (48:37):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (48:38):
It's like, look, your fresh idea, your fresh perspective is
as good. You don't because like that's what's required. What
I did in my professional career ten years ago at
Apple you couldn't do.

Speaker 12 (48:49):
Today and win, you know.

Speaker 16 (48:51):
And so it's like, if I were in that boardroom today,
I'd be relying on the person who's fresh, you know.
And so when I'm mentoring people, I'm like, hey, look,
never get into a room and think that like, oh,
let me be quiet, because I don't know as much
as everybody else. Yeah, you'd be surprised how we're fresh,
how good your opinion is based on your freshness.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yeah, And finally, what can we expect from the new season? Oh?

Speaker 12 (49:14):
Man, Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 16 (49:15):
Look, all of these women are in different life stages.

Speaker 12 (49:19):
Okay.

Speaker 16 (49:19):
Some are in the middle of divorce, some are separated,
Some like me, are getting you know, married, Amanda's already
been engaged. You know, there's just so much going on
with us that I find that a lot of that
external drama finds its way in and affects our interactions
with each other. And so sometimes, you know, people go
off the rails, not because of what's going on, you know,

(49:42):
between us, but because of what is happening outside in
the world. And so it gets very testy at some point.
But I also love the fact that we have a
lot of fun together. Yeah, and I think in especially
in our trips, you'll be very entertained.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Oh very good, looking forward to that. Thank you so
much for giving us your time, buzs But congratulations on
the show, on all of your success and your marriage
of co and we look forward to seeing you soon.

Speaker 12 (50:07):
Thank you, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much
for the time.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
That is Bozamas Saint John. She is starring in the
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and brand new episodes of
the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season fifteen stream Fridays
first on HIU, which is the same day as the
United States. Now before we leven o'clock. On News Talks,
he'd be our personal finance expert is in. He wants
to take a look at the old adage about buying

(50:33):
the worst house on the best street. Does that still
make sense? And if you're looking to do that, what
should you keep in mind? As well as that, our
Textbert will review the year in ai some of the
big tech themes of twenty twenty five. Next up, though,
it's your screen time picks for this weekend. Eighteen past
ten on News Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Start your weekend off the right way.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks, there'd be ninety two.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Ninety two is the text number this morning. It's twenty
one past ten, which means it's screen time time. Tara
Ward is our screen time experts. She picks three shows
to watch your stream at home and recommend every week.
Can I Tara, good morning. Let's begin with a show
streaming on Neon tell Us about Bookish.

Speaker 17 (51:21):
This is a new cozy crime drama that's just come
to Neon and if you're looking for something calm and
comforting to watch to get away from all the Christmas chaos,
this would be a great choice. This is bookish. It's
set in the East End of London in nineteen forty six,
so just after the end of the war, and it's
about a man called Gabriel Book And Gabriel is quite

(51:41):
an eccentric fellow. He owns an antiquarian bookshop full of
intriguing titles and rare collections, and he's also an amateur
detective and he uses his bookshop and all the information
in it to help him unravel these puzzles and solve
these strange murders that take place in the East End.
And his bookshop attracts this little community of friends who

(52:05):
have all been through the war and who will have
their own issues to deal with, but they're pulled together
by Gabriel and his wife Trotty, who give them lots
of helpful advice. And so you've got this quirky traditional
English murder mystery series. But it's set in this time
when British society was trying to recover and rebuild itself

(52:25):
after the war. Mark Gattis, who's been in Sherlock and
a League of Gentlemen, wrote this and he starts as
Gabriel and the show has it like a Poi rot
Agatha Christie kind of vibe to it. It's pretty gentle.
There's some humor and some quirkiness sprinkled through it as well.
It's a comfort watch. I think British murder mystery fans
will adore this very charming.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah nice, okay, cool, that's bookish. It's on Neon. Also
on Neon from January ninth, there's a new season of
The Pit.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (52:54):
The Pit was one of the best shows of twenty
twenty five. Season one landed in January. It went on
to win Best Drama at the Emmys and has had
a lot of hype around it and rave reviews and
see and two starts in the new year. And The
Pit is an intense, gritty medical drama. If you like Er,
you will love The Pitch. This stars Noel Wiley, who

(53:16):
also start in Er. And he plays a doctor called
Robbie who leads the emergency room of a hospital in
Pittsburgh and they're dealing with a never ending line of
patients and crises. But The thing that makes The Pit
so compelling is that it unfolds in real time. So
the entire season follows one continuous, fifteen hour shift at

(53:38):
the hospital, and so episode one is the first hour
of the shift and so on. But you're there for
the whole ride, from start to finish. You can't look
away or escape that intensity. Nearly all of the drama
takes place inside, with the fluorescent lights and the noise
and the stress, and so it's very realistic and it's
about what it's like to be on the front line

(53:58):
of the American healthcare system. Season two takes place on
the fourth of July. It's Robbie's last shift before he
goes on leave, and the computer system has gone down,
so no shortage of chaos in season two. I highly
recommend that's definitely one of the best shows of the year.
Season one is on Neon now, and as you say,
season two starts on January ninth.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
So my brother has been going on and on about this.
As soon as the new promo for you know, the
trailer for the new season of The Pit came through,
he sent it to me, but he said that it
is like really intense, and the same way kind of that.
The Bear is intense, Like you really, it's not a
relaxing watch just before bed. You know, you can't need
half an hour to bring yourself down afterwards. Is that fair?

Speaker 17 (54:38):
Exactly? And I think, you know, it's one episode a week,
and I think that's probably maybe the best way just
to watch it, just to immerse yourself in that hour
and then have a wee rest afterwards.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Okay, yeah, very good. So that's the new season of
The Pit that's on Neon from January ninth and on
Netflix from the first of January. Harlan Coben Runaway.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (54:57):
Every New Yearsday. For the past few years, Netflix has
released a very bingeable thriller series based on one of
Harlan Coben's best selling books. I think eleven Harlan Coben's
books have been made into Netflix shows and they have
all been huge hits, and I think this latest one, Runaway,
will be exactly the same. This stars James Nesbit, Ruth Jones,
and Mini Driver. James Nesbit plays a father whose perfect

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life starts to fall apart when his adult daughter goes missing.
In his search to find her, he gets caught up
in a murder case and uncovers a lot of secrets
that could destroy his family, and it's about how far
he will go to protect his family. And I think
this is the perfect kind of TV to watch from
the couch on New Year's Day. Essentially, it's very similar

(55:44):
to every other Harlan Coben series, but still extremely watchable.
It's glossy, it's got a great cast.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
There's lots of twists.

Speaker 17 (55:51):
And clippingers, and I think you can forget those moments
of melodrama or cliches that might pop up because it's
just entertaining TV. It's suctually one from the start, you know,
it's a tried and true format for Netflix and it
just delivers every time.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Oh very good. So that's Harlan Coben Runaway. Tara's other shows,
Bookish is on Neon and The Pit is on Neon
from January ninth, all of those will be up on
the News Talks he'd be website Tara, what are you
doing for the Christmas break? Are you need some downtime?

Speaker 17 (56:19):
I am. We're heading over to Central Otago in a
few days for a family Christmas, so you're just looking
forward to a bit of relaxing time. Hopefully some beautiful
weather and yeah, just catching up on some good TV
of course, of.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Course, of course your priorities. Fantastic. Hey, thank you so
much for all of your recommendations this year. It has
been wonderful and I hope you have a splendid Christmas.
Look forward to seeing you again in twenty twenty six.
Thanks so much, Jack, very good. Tara Award is our
screen time expert. Like I say, all of her picks
for this week and for the holiday break will be
up on our show page at news Talks HEDB dot

(56:53):
co dot MZ Forward slash.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Jack Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack team on News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Well, if there's one thing we can say about music
in twenty twenty five is that it's that we have
never really been bored. It's been no excuse. We've had
bold new albums from Lady Gaga, Let's Her with Abracadabra Abracabra,
Taylor Swift, Rosalia, FK Twigs, Beyonce finally one Album of
the Year at the Grammys with Cowboy Carter, Irish rap

(57:46):
trio Kneecap took Coach Haller by storm and ignited their
fair share of controversy on and off the stage. Bad
Bunny has been announced as headliner for the twenty twenty
six Super Bowl halftime show, becoming the first artist who
performs exclusively Spanish language music to do so else Well,
TikTok creators became bona fide pop stars, as Alex Warren

(58:11):
held the top of the charts spot with his song Ordinary,
We lost DiAngelo, Split Ends announced their reunion, and we
even saw a former rapper elected as mayor of New
York City. So yeah, it's been a busy year to
say the least. So much new music across such diverse
genres means anyone you talk to is going to have

(58:31):
a different pick for their top album of twenty twenty five.
But our music review is going to be in before
midday to try and wade through it all, to wade
through the vast offerings of this year and share his
top picks for the best of twenty twenty five. So
we want best song, best album, and best concert of
twenty twenty five. We will do that before midday today.

(58:51):
Thank you for your messages. Paul has sent me a
note to say Jack regarding The Pit the TV show.
The Pit my wife and I have been enjoying it,
but I think if you binge it, you will do
some emotional damage to yourself. It is just so so intense.
Thank you for that word of warning, Paul. We appreciate it.
In a couple of minutes, our texpert is in with
his thoughts on the year that was in artificial intelligence,

(59:14):
and before eleven o'clock we're in the garden as well.
Right now, it's twenty eight minutes to eleven non news
Talk seed B, twenty five to eleven non news talk
seed B. It has been a stonking year for AI.
So just look at open Ai, the makers of chat GPT.
They are on track now to thirteen billion US dollars
in revenue for this year, which is up from four

(59:35):
billion US in twenty twenty four. But they're looking at
maybe hitting annualized revenue of about nineteen billion dollars, which
is extraordinary. That's just from the paid user accounts on
chat gpt, and of course you can just use the
free version. Texbert Paul Stenhouse is here to look back
at the year in artificial intelligence. Paul, did they get
as far as you expected they would get this year?

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Good question.

Speaker 13 (59:59):
I think they did.

Speaker 14 (01:00:01):
To be honest, Jack, I use a lot of I
say that as someone who uses AI a lot for
coding and technical things, and it seems to be one
of the areas where I've really leaned into it. There
seems to be a war at the moment between open
AI and Google, Gemini and Anthropic to really kind of

(01:00:22):
nail the software developer experience. They're typically people who want
to try new things that are usually pretty okay with change.
And what's interesting about code is there's a sort of
corpus of old projects you can reference and also kind
of documentation as well. Right, so it lends itself quite
well to AI. But it still isn't perfect. But when

(01:00:43):
I think about the things that it could largely could
not do a year ago or two years ago, Wow,
it has come a really really long way. It is
not perfect, but it's come a really really long way.
I think it's just interesting too that the people who
probably have never touched, of touched or thought of AI
maybe this year gave it a go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Ye.

Speaker 14 (01:01:05):
I feel like it's reach a far wider, you know,
group of people. They've kind of started to dabble as
things have become you know, a little more baked into
some of the services that they use every day.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Yeah, so what is your preferred text generation service at
the moment? You do you still stick with chat GPT
because in recent months there has been a bit of
a sense that Google is catching up, that Gemini is
actually getting as good, if not maybe better than chat GPT.

Speaker 14 (01:01:35):
Yeah, and it really depends what you want to use
it for. And I know that sounds like a bit
of a cop out, but if for example, in the
coding world, it seems to change every literally every few weeks,
as these models get tweaked and they're making changes and deployments.
Now when it comes to things like you know, some
are slightly more creative, some are better with academic some
are better with more formal type of writing, some are

(01:01:58):
better at puzzing PDFs. And I'm making understanding it really
does change based on the type of task that you're doing,
which I know sounds crazy, but they do sort of
have this this is going to sound even crazy, ear
They almost have this kind of like personality behind them
jack or like a skill level because they are trained
on things and they do have these kind of hidden

(01:02:20):
instructions telling them how they should be working and how
they should be responding and if they should be, you know,
responding more succinctly.

Speaker 18 (01:02:29):
Or giving you more sources.

Speaker 14 (01:02:31):
And all of these things are baked in the background,
so things that you don't even see about those agents
are kind of controlling them. So I would say try
some of them.

Speaker 13 (01:02:39):
There's lots of.

Speaker 14 (01:02:40):
Them that start out for free. I found things like
Perplexity to be really good for kind of currents from
trying to do anything about current information. I find, you know,
the geminis of the world. If you're a Google Drive
or Google kind of workspace user, it's really easy to
tap into that world and get it to understand some
things about the documents you already have in there. So yeah,

(01:03:02):
it's just you can just you can kind of pick
and choose.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
You can experm yeah, yeah, if wand to different things.

Speaker 14 (01:03:08):
Yeah, and then music dedicated apps too, right, so things
like if you've ever made a PowerPoint presentation and you
never want to have to do that ever again, there's
an app called Gamma for example. Oh so we're starting
to see really specialized AI tools that you can use
to do very specifically.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Yeah, right, okay, so can I put you on the
spot and ask you for a couple of predictions in
twenty twenty six, do you think Okay, first of all,
do you think that we are going to achieve this
agi artificial general intelligence which is the kind of you know,
the kind of guiding star for many of these big
tech firms. They want to basically achieve artificial intelligence that

(01:03:45):
can do anything and more that a human can do.

Speaker 18 (01:03:48):
Not in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Yeah, I don't think so either. I don't think so either.
I think if anything, even though the large language models,
the text generators, the chat GPTs of the world are improving,
and certainly that the models that are helping with coding
have improved massively, I think we're probably not. It feels
like the kind of incremental improvements now as opposed to

(01:04:12):
really big lockstep improvements, you know what I mean.

Speaker 19 (01:04:14):
Here's what's interesting, right.

Speaker 14 (01:04:15):
It can produce a lot of stuff. And that's why
the Merriam Webster word of the Year is slop because
that's what it's known as AI slop. Right, These things
just create stuff, whatever that is. But when you start
to look at like coding is a really specific example
and a really good example because it can produce code,
and you can test to see if it works very

(01:04:35):
easily and very quickly when it spits out sentences and
sentences about quantum physics or how to you know, look
after a dog, you know, like it will give you information,
it will give you words. Yeah, they may be sentences,
they may be paragraphs, but is the content actually good
and is it actually correct? And it's sometimes when you

(01:04:57):
really if you start to use AI for things you
know a lot about, or if you give it very
specific documents, for example, and you're asking very specific questions,
it's very easy for you to then start to see
where where it goes wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 12 (01:05:11):
I heard someone.

Speaker 14 (01:05:11):
Refer to it the other day as a veneer of intelligence, Yeah,
which I thought was quite interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Yeah. Nice, Okay, I like that, the veneer of intelligence.
My next My next question, repredictions. Do you think that
we are going to see an AI bubble burst.

Speaker 14 (01:05:28):
My portfolio?

Speaker 7 (01:05:29):
Short?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:05:33):
Not, I don't think not yet. Okay, Look, I think
we still need a lot of things, right. I just
saw a news article today. There's a lot of pushback,
for example, from locals on AI data centers or data
centers in general, that people don't want them in their communities,
they suck up utilities, drive up power prices, et cetera,
et cetera, kind of these types of things. So we may,

(01:05:54):
you know, we may see some really interesting pushback. Yeah,
that starts to kind of soften some of this kind
of AI hype. But look, isn't it the art of
isn't it the kind of a g I type, you know,
general and dilligence level where it can really do anything right,
but it can do a lot of interesting stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:06:11):
And I think.

Speaker 14 (01:06:12):
Where we will see is in this next year when
people really start to integrate AI into their workflows, because
it really does have kind of, you know, in some fields,
the intelligence quote unquote of like a junior employee. When
we start to see that, I think that's when we'll
see what the what the real impact is the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
And everything else to serve everything else. Ye, okay, So
it was a big year for AI. Next year's hat
to be a big year for AI, but you twenty
twenty five was also a big year for past keys.

Speaker 14 (01:06:43):
I know, Jack, it's the last show of the year.
I usually always give my PSA that says, if you've
got some time over the holidays, you should update your
past words. But twenty twenty five has been the year
of the past key, which it's this new kind of
alternative to passwords that's coming. And it's great because if
you think of a password, you kind of just yell

(01:07:03):
it at the website that you're going to and if
you're the if it's the wrong website, can hear the
password effectively.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Right. What past keys are is it goes, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Who are you?

Speaker 14 (01:07:13):
And you go, I'm Jack, And I go, well, Jack,
I've got something for you, but only because you're Jack,
and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
The past key.

Speaker 14 (01:07:20):
How is that the more secure they are, more they
are encrypted, they get stored significantly more securely on your device.
You want to find out a little bit more about them.
I do think the other way that everything is going.
They are a little tricky though, because they do kind
of get stuck on the device or the service at
which you generate them for. Right, So, because we need

(01:07:43):
to have that little handshaky thing we do. Imagine if
you only have the paskey on your computer and then
you lose your computer. So you've got to put them
into things like password managers. You've got to make sure
you have things like a recovery email a set on
your account, things like that. But they are great. They
stop phishing. I don't see why every bank hasn't been
adopting them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Because they make you more sence.

Speaker 14 (01:08:06):
It's like a no brainer makes it secure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yea, Hey, thank you so much, Paul. Have a fantastic
Christmas and we will catch igi in very soon. Paul Stenhouse,
our texpert. In a couple of minutes, our personal finance expert,
tells us his thoughts on the old buying the worst
house on the best street theory, and we're in the
garden very shortly as well. Seventeen to eleven on News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
He'd be no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Better way to kick off your weekend then with Jack
Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks, they'd be to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
News Storks headb Ed McKnight is our personal finance expert
from Oby's Partners. He's here with us this morning. Good morning,
great to be here.

Speaker 20 (01:08:44):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Are you counting down the days? Are you? Are you
a Christmas spirit kind of guy?

Speaker 20 (01:08:49):
Signs I've been counting it down since mid November. The
tree is up, that ignog is ordered, and my family
aren't going to be leaving my house. A couple of
kilos heavre come Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
I'm pleased to hear ignock. See do you actually do ignog?

Speaker 21 (01:09:03):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Are you actually into ignock?

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Yeah? But we'll we'll.

Speaker 20 (01:09:05):
Gone by it right. We're not going to be making
this ourselves because my grandma never taught me how to
do that, you see, Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
No, fair enough. I'm into eggnog in a big way.
And when I lived in the States, I used to
love a cheeky little bit of eggnog. But you just
don't see as much in New Zealand. I suppose because
it's warm, right, we don't necessarily want hot drinks. But yeah,
I don't mind a bit of eggnog. So I'm pleased
to hear that. I'm not the only one anyway. No,
you were going to say something wrong.

Speaker 20 (01:09:32):
I was going to say, you could always have an
ice jack that'll keep you calling a nice summer's day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 7 (01:09:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Is it still a good idea to buy the worst
house on the best street. It always feels like that
is the kind of age old advice for anyone looking
for a bit of capital growth in their property.

Speaker 20 (01:09:49):
Well, that is one of the ideas that you often
here and I wanted to understand where did this come
from and is it still a good idea? And I
suppose the idea is that if you buy quite a
cheap house and a really nice suburb and then you
do it up, the kind of feeling for how expensive
that property could become hit high. So maybe you'll get
some good games there. I suppose the other thing if

(01:10:10):
you're buying a house for yourself to live, and you
can always change the house, or at least do it up,
but you can't really change the location. Now I've dugn
a little bit more into the numbers, and one of
the questions I had is we'll do house prices go
up faster in some of those hiring suburbs. Well, if
we look at some of the most expensive suburbs and

(01:10:30):
the country, like Herne Bay. Over the last twenty five years,
house prices have gone up there seven point three percent
per year. In ode Ark or remu Era, both really
nice suburbs, house bruce has gone up over the same
period about six point seven percent. But what might surprise
a lot of people is if we look at a
suburb like Otara, which is a more lower socioeconomic suburb,

(01:10:53):
it's nice but it's not as flash. House prices there
actually went up faster over the last twenty five years
than some of those nicer suburbs like Odak and remou Era,
at six point nine percent a year. Does that surprise
he would all gaze.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
I mean it's funny because usually we kind of average
it out across regions or cities. But you know, I
can imagine that in some of those suburbs like or Tarn,
there might be more demand for housing. You know, the
population increase in those kinds of spaces will have increased
a lot, and whereas in some of those more affluent suburbs.
Perhaps is that, you know, the land values have increased

(01:11:29):
a lot, whereas the actual number of people living in
the suburb has increased by so much. So maybe there
are kind of different forces at play in different suburbs.

Speaker 20 (01:11:37):
There's definitely the case. The other thing I'd say is
you can't take that idea of buy the best at
worst house rather in the best street, because if you
take that literally, I found the most expensive street in
New Zealand. It's in Herne Bay, which might not surprise you.
The cheapest house on that best street quote unquote best
street still cost you three point sixty seven million dollars.

(01:12:03):
So buying the worst house on the best street probably
is an adoption for most of us.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, that's something, isn't it. Oh my gosh, three point
sixty seven million. So when might it be a good
idea to go with the so called worst house on
the best street.

Speaker 20 (01:12:19):
Well, I think it can be a good idea if
you're going to live in the property, because, especially if
you're in one of our main centers, the school zones
often are zoned, and typically the schools that are thought
to be better often are in those more affluent zones.
So let's say you've got a couple of kids our
primary school age. Now you're thinking about where they're going
to go to high school. It might be an idea

(01:12:42):
to compromise a little bit on the house to get
in that quote unquote better area. The other one is
if you are going to renovate it to do it up,
and you have the money to buy it and do
it up. Whereas I think if you're a long term
buy and hold investor, like a lot of people I
work with, you're probably going to buy a house that's
a bit cheaper, not the three point six seven million

(01:13:04):
dollars because typically the the more affordable the house, the
better the rental yield is. If we think about those
really expensive houses, there aren't that many people who are
going to rent a three point seven million dollar house
or afford to them. Because of that, the rental yield
is pretty low.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Yeah, that makes total sense. Yeah, that makes total sense. Hey,
thank you, Ed, And that's really interesting about those different
suburbs as well. So thank you for digging into that
for us. Have a wonderful Christmas and summer break, won't you.

Speaker 20 (01:13:31):
I'll be thinking about yea as I chugged back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
The the ice eggnog. The ice eggnog. Very good. All right,
thanks so much. We'll catch again so an Ed McKnight
from Opie's Partners.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Time passes in the garden for the final time this year.
Good morning, sir, Ay, very good morning to you.

Speaker 8 (01:13:51):
Happy Christmas, Happy New Year.

Speaker 12 (01:13:53):
Everything can have a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah, and happy blossoming of the Titan rum.

Speaker 8 (01:14:00):
Yeah that's in at the christ Sheets of course, at
the Botannic Guns. Absolutely beautiful. Was going to talk about
that because I was going to talk about all the
amazing things that happened this year to us basically or
to me or to whatever. And you know what, first,
que I'm going to go totally wrong. First of November
this year. What were you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
I don't know working, Yes, you were.

Speaker 8 (01:14:25):
Do you remember three three young birds being being Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
I do, I do. Yes. The birds that were that
were the young black birds that were killed in my garden. Yeah,
by cats.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
I've put that in. Yeah, I have put that in
this year is very important thing because that was actually
coincidental with the fact that we were doing predator free
work with Jesse Morgan and co. For that exactly that day.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Ah right, very good. Well, I'd belaved that I was
so timely, but it really grinds my.

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
Gears the same here, and that's why we do these things,
you know. I mean, what is that with these cat
people that they let their cats go and or anyway,
I just thought i'd put that down. Boom, it's there.
It's on the in the website.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Boom. Just like that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:13):
I found something else about creatures doing nasty stuff around
the place. And then I'll go to the positive stuff.
If you look at wondering albatross on the Marion Islands,
which is south of South Africa. You'll find that there
are mice, the same species of mouse that we have,
the same gorgeous little mouse. Oh lovely, can I even
boush to our birthday?

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 8 (01:15:32):
Blah that climbs up this wondering albatross choose the head
open and eats the brain and kills the albatross.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just think.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
We need to know these things.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Happen out there.

Speaker 15 (01:15:48):
Yeah, you know, yeah, really important.

Speaker 8 (01:15:51):
But that's all I'm going to say about it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Okay, okay, yeah, good, very good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Come quat.

Speaker 8 (01:15:55):
Julie has been always been loved the camp Cuot tree
that we have here in the citrus family on the
deck and all that sort of stuff, and we've had
it for decades and this year not that longagoes. She
was having a bit of dinner with some good friends
of ours who said, oh, look at this. This is
a wonderful mamilae that I made from comp quot and
Julie thought that they were ornamental plants all our life,

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and we made these amazing well, she made these amazing
things for the work on bread and things like that.
No literally, you know, brand new two weeks ago for
the first time in her life. I'm just telling people,
if you've got a kum quat and think that they
are just work for shure, make them into these wonderful,
wonderful citrus things. It's beautiful.

Speaker 15 (01:16:42):
Children were so cool.

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
And then there is this other thing we talked about,
like and some time ago, and I said, we can't
have the time to do everything right now, so I
left sixy pavement like and out of the whole conversation
we had then. And zanto Parmelia scarbrosa is a scientific
name of this thing, and that's been found to have

(01:17:05):
the material in it that you did that pavement likened
gross on ashfelt on our roads here and on our yeah, okay,
and that stuff has got a material in it that
is the same sort of material that they use as
the active ingredient for a viagrat.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Got that I've got there, I got there, loud clear. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
So the Chinese are scraping it off the road and
putting it on all these yeah, these these these things
you buy online and all.

Speaker 12 (01:17:36):
That sort of stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
Held warning, Yeah, don't let sexual pavement like and because
it's full of stuff you know, uh, I just thought
i'd make that point so that you can leave it's
all on the website. And then finally at a little
big tree company, I got myself a new Metrosedral's Royal
Crimson and I've got I put the picture on. It's

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absolutely gorgeous. It's a Photoicava variety. It's stunning and mine
will flower on Chris this day, Happy Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Happy Christmas Road, Thank you so much, have a wonderful
break and we will catch you in very soon. It
is almost eleven o'clock. You've a Jack Tavid's Saturday morning.
This is News Talks. He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Saturday morning with Jack tam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US Talk.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Said, b.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Code, if you're just joining us this morning, it is
so good to have you here, Jack Tame with you
for the last hour of our last show of twenty
twenty five, counting down the days to the twenty fifth,
looking forward to a bit of a summer's break. Just
so you know. The black Caps and Windy's have kicked
off on what is it, day three of their test
at Mount mong Andui. The Windy's currently one hundred and

(01:19:17):
eleven for none. They are four hundred and sixty four
runs behind the black Caps first inning score. So I
will keep you up to speed if there are any
big developments from the game this morning our before Midday
on new Stalk, except that we're going to catch up
with our book reviewer. We've asked her, so there you go.
How about that boom? The black Caps have a worke

(01:19:37):
it ah. Oh that didn't take long, did it. Fantastic?
John Campbell has been caught at slip by Tom Latham
for forty five so the West Indy is now one
hundred and eleven for one one one one for one
in that test. Jacob Duffley taking the wicket there. This
morning before Midday, our book reviewers and Katon Rains has
her top three picks for best fiction and Best non

(01:19:59):
Fiction for twenty twenty five, and our music reviewer has
his take for best Song, Best Album, and best concert
of the year as well. El soo looking forward to
that right now it's eight minutes past eleven. While I'm
very much looking forward to a break into Christmas, not
everyone looks forward to the twenty fifth. Apparently there is
a thing called Christogena ticophobia. Got that Christa jena ticophobia.

(01:20:23):
I'm not even sure it would fit on a scrabble board,
let alone when you a bonus for a triple word score.
But doogle Southerlan from Umbrella Well Being is here with
us this morning to explain exactly what christa jen tecophobia
actually is. Is it really a phobia?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Doodle o, I killed a jacker.

Speaker 15 (01:20:39):
That would be a score of like nine million on
if you actually got it. No, it's not really. I
actually came across this week or two ago.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
I went that a real thing.

Speaker 15 (01:20:51):
The Greek translation, apparently, because all things get translated from Greek,
is literally Christ related birth fear. So but there you go.
But it's no, it's not really a phobia. I think
it's a it's a it's more of a reminder that,
you know, sometimes some of us feel awkward at particular
times or don't enjoy things that others that others do enjoy. Now,

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there are some other non phobias as well that you
sort of cover. There's no mophobia, which is fear of
no mobile phones.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
No mustaches.

Speaker 15 (01:21:26):
Yeah, well that would have been a good one. Yeah,
fear of a bald face. There's the side of phobia,
which is fear of making decisions, and there is ergophobia,
which is fear of work, which many people at this time, yeah,
perhaps are experiencing or fear of returning to work at least,
but they're not really super you know, they're not serious phobus.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
But it's a good idea.

Speaker 15 (01:21:51):
To kind of think about, Yeah, well, is everybody going
to be finding this time of year really all that happy?

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Yeah? Yeah, and I suppose they're not. I mean, like
you know, this time of year does come with it,
it's fair fhere of stresses. So if you are someone
who not necessarily dreads chriss but you know, it doesn't
lean in quite so hard as as some others, I
suppose it's totally understandable.

Speaker 8 (01:22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:22:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 15 (01:22:13):
I mean, if you think about Christmas, there's lots of
socializing and going out, and if you know, if you
struggle a bit with that, with social relationships, you're a
bit more introverted, you you might find out a little
bit more difficult to tolerate. You know, as I'm sure
you have good firsthand experience, and often there's that pressure
for pearance to be buying big presents and the latest thing,

(01:22:36):
and you know, for many families they've done it hard
this year with redundancies and the cost of living, and
that can be a real struggle. And also, of course,
you know, even you know, further down there's those people
that will be really struggling to put food on the
table at all, and you know, getting getting perhaps worse
in our current sort of economic environment. So you know,

(01:22:58):
I think, I think, you know, i'd encourage people to
fully enjoy themselves this Christmas and will be with theirs
and their loved loved ones, but also to kind of
think about is there anything I can do to actually
reach out and make somebody else's Christmas that extra little
bit special as well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah, it's a really good message. So back to phobias.
Can you have a phobia of pretty much anything?

Speaker 15 (01:23:23):
Well, yeah, technically you probably can. There are some really
common ones that people are actually if I just as
an aside, I've seen some quite bizarre ones. I've seen
A friend of mine was super super phobic of not
not not just birds, but specifically pigeons and would really
freak out if they sort of you know how they

(01:23:44):
sort of tend to fly up quite close to your face.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Yeah, yeah, they sit in the bar plane sometimes and
I honestly think yes, yes, yeah, I'm going to they
just leave it so late. This is really bold.

Speaker 15 (01:23:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So that I've met somebody that had
a fear of hospitals, and that was to the point
that they would often not leave the house because that
there kind of chain of thought when something might happen.
I might go out for lunch and I'd start choking
and they call the ambulance and then I have to
go to hospital, and I hate hospitals.

Speaker 7 (01:24:17):
So that was that was.

Speaker 15 (01:24:18):
A real phobia. And then two people this is and
these are colleagues of one that I used to work with,
two separate people that had banana phobias, which was which
was quite unusual. And when we're talking phobias, I think,
good to you know, everybody kind of talks about all,
I've got a phobia of heights or whatever, and we
mean clinically when we're talking about phobias, like a really
really really intense fear, not just a I don't really

(01:24:40):
like them. Yeah, and that you that you do lots
and lots to try and avoid those. And perhaps that
person that I described earlier with the hospital phobia, you
know that that was an example of going great legs
to a rider.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's really impacting their life, and it's.

Speaker 15 (01:24:56):
Really impacting their life. But you look at it's we
think theoretically you can have a phobia almost anything. There
was a famous ethically dubious, somewhat psychology experiment in the
nineteen twenties where a famous psychologist did an experiment on
his own nine month old child. So don't recommend you're
doing this on your son. And they paired a white rat,

(01:25:20):
not a tame one, with a really loud sound, a
really loud bang, and the baby went from being completely
fine around the rat being quite scared of it, and
then that fear started to generalize to anything that was
white and fluffy, including teddy bears. So they were trying
to sort of establish that maybe you can be afraid
of anything, or establish a fear of anything, and that

(01:25:42):
can grow to sort of very things that are similar
to it. So yeah, technically you probably can have a
phobia or anything, maybe including Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
On the Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I think I've seen
a video on social media and tell you about the
kind of accounts that I've followed, what my algorithm's doing
to me that shows a group of babies with a python,
a python kind of slithering around them. Obviously controlled environment,
but the video is going that, well, yeah, but they're

(01:26:10):
not they're not scared. I think it's a python. Python's
an't venous, are they? Well, this one you don't know anyway.
So they've got a large snake. Yeah, and it's not
a venomous snake. But the point is that the kids
aren't skied of it because they just kind of just
sitting there and the snake's kind of slithering around them
and they're all just thing.

Speaker 15 (01:26:30):
Oh but yeah, yeah, I certainly come across people, you know,
post those sort of big storms in the North Island.
You know, they're really big ones a couple of years
ago who had a real fear and probably verging on
a phobia of of you know, rain and big weather
storms every Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense,

(01:26:52):
and it's just our body's way of sort of trying
to keep us safe.

Speaker 7 (01:26:56):
But it sort of has has like a fire.

Speaker 15 (01:26:57):
Alarm that kind of gives off too many false alarms
and sort of that's going off all the time. But
rest assured. They are pretty readily curable by psychologist. So
if you've got a phobia. You don't really have to
suffer from it nowadays that they are pretty treatable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Oh that's good. Oh yeah, yeah, your life doesn't if
you do. I definitely don't. I don't have any big phobias.
There's nothing that makes my life materially worse. But I do.
If there was one thing that I don't like that
I would have, you know that I would say, oh,
I've got a phobia. Yeah, this is going to get
a bit left field. Balloons. Oh yeah, the reason being

(01:27:35):
I don't trust them, and I'm waiting for them, and
especially like especially if there are loose balloons like on
the floor or something, I'm just waiting for someone to
stand on or to pop it. And it gives me
like a sense of anxiety. I'm just waiting for a
loud noise. I know that seems ridiculous. I just don't. Well,
I just I just don't. I don't like and you
know sometimes I just burst when you're not expecting it,

(01:27:55):
and just anyway, for whatever reason it is, I don't.
I don't love balloons.

Speaker 15 (01:27:59):
It's almost a classic description because many people for their
phobias say, hey, look, I know it's a bit stupid.
I know, it seems unrealistic and at the moment, you know,
in the moment, I actually feel quite you know, quite
weirded out by it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:28:11):
So yeah, well, good luck for the future birthday party.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Yes, exactly exactly. I mean, my my dislike of balloons
isn't so intent that I that we don't you know,
that we avoid or anything like that, But it's just
I just don't just you know, if they're loose on
the ground and there are kids playing with them, that
always annoying, just because I know that they're going to
be a loud bang, but I don't know where the
band's coming. I think that's what I don't like of it.

Speaker 15 (01:28:35):
Yeah, I just said, there's imge of you sort of
tiptoeing around at birthday parties, I know, you know, walking
on each kids. Yeah, yeah, anywhere treatable if you see
a good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Yes, exactly exactly. Of coursely optimistic. It hasn't yet reached
that threshold, but yeah, good, Hey, have a great Christmas.
Thank you for a fantastic here in twenty twenty five, Google,
enjoy your break and we will catch again very soon.
Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being. We're catching up with
that travel correspondent. Next, he is looking at the Causeway
Coast in Northern Ireland seventeen past eleven travel.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
With Windy wo Tours Where the World is Yours bok now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Twenty past eleven on New Storks. He'd be Mike Yardley
is our travel will correspondent. He's been in the Christmas
spirit for well for about twelve months a year. But yeah,
how long we had your decorations up for?

Speaker 8 (01:29:25):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Six weeks? Eight weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Since October twenty five? What's that? Yeah? Far too many weeks, Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Yeah, very good. Yeah, I mean it's it's action stations now,
so presumably you have nothing left to organize for the
big day itself.

Speaker 22 (01:29:40):
I was just scouting to Libby that I've been gift
wrapping presents under the tree. The tree looks complete with
the presents now, so yeah, we're we're pretty much there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
I'm pleased to hear it. Very good. Hey, we're tripping
the Causeway Coast in Northern Ireland this morning, So how
long is the recommended touring route?

Speaker 8 (01:29:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:29:59):
Well, I reckon in the pantheon of golden travel experiences, Jack,
you can't beat a really good road trip.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
And the thing about the court Way Coast.

Speaker 22 (01:30:07):
Is that distance wise, it's only one hundred and eighty
k on the clock from Dairy to Belfast. But even
though that sounds like a very short and sweet road trip,
it's actually very misleading because that route is choc a
block with roadside confections. You've got ancient castles, wizardly rock formations,

(01:30:29):
Hollywood filming locations, amazing seaside villages, and epic landscape. So
you'll definitely want to chunk that one hundred and eighty
k up into several nights.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
At least.

Speaker 22 (01:30:42):
A lot of people actually spend a good two weeks
on that Causeway Coast route.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
It is just so goddamn good.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
No, that's amazing. So what is the most dramatic castle
to check out?

Speaker 22 (01:30:54):
Yeah, well, if you look at a map of the
Causeway Coast, castles are thick on the ground. But I
do like a castle jack served, crumbly, even decrepit, with
all of those faded, glory scarred feels and dunloose.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Castle stole my heart.

Speaker 22 (01:31:11):
This one clings to the cliffs high above a turning ocean,
wind walloped, and it's on a basalt outcrop. And this
medieval stronghold was actually owned by the McDonnell clan. It
fell into disrepair three hundred years ago. There are so
many cool stories about this castle. The one I love
the most is the fact that shortly before it fell

(01:31:33):
into decline, part of the castle's kitchen fell into the ocean,
and only the kitchen boy survived, and he did so
because he was obviously quite intuitive. He tucked himself away
in the strongest corner of the room. But yeah, the
kitchen fell into the Atlantic. The facade of this castle

(01:31:55):
on the cliff remains today, Jack, and it really is
a stunning site and as you could imagine, it's an
insta hero.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Yeah. Yeah, of course, speaking of this is a Game
Thrones turf, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:32:06):
Oh yeah, if you are a set jester, you could
actually design your entire touring route on the Causeway coast
into a got roadie because there were just so many
shooting locations they used, so Dunloose featured regularly on Thrones,
as did Balentoy Harbor. The Money shot I reckon is
the Dark Edges, so they are just in land from

(01:32:29):
the coast in Balley Money, and that's that very iconic
avenue of eighty gnarly intertwined beach trees. So these trees
were planted in the eighteenth century. They were cast as
King's Road in Thrones, and it's become a chronic victim
of over tourism. So the best thing to do to
dodge the hordes is go there at daybreak. Do not

(01:32:51):
go there after nine o'clock in the morning. It's just
crowded and the traffic is just horrendous in terms of parking.
I did not see anyone else there at seven in
the morning, not even the gray Lady Jack, who was
the legendary goot who drifts silently between the trees. So
I was pleased not to see here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Okay, yeah, for the sake of a couple of hours,
just getting outside earlier. And it sounds like it's one
with Yeah, what would be the best time to go
to the Giants Causeway?

Speaker 22 (01:33:19):
Yeah, well, obviously it's another big drawer and the namesake
of the coast really the Giants Causeway. It's a volcanic marble.
You want, you will want a time it for low tide,
So check the tide times because it just reveals so
much more of its glory at low tide. You've got
these forty thousand basalt hexagonal blocks and columns reaching out

(01:33:45):
into the ocean, and those columns are like these primal
pistons thrusting out of the earth deeper and deeper into
the sea. And you can actually take your chances add
low tide and clamber your way across all of these
interlocking formations as the waves thunder and but it really
is an ethereal spectacle.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Unfortunately, what time of day.

Speaker 22 (01:34:07):
It is that low tide strikes, there will be big crowds,
so you've just got to suck it in and expect that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Yeah, okay, just down the road is that village of
bush Mills, right, what's special about it?

Speaker 22 (01:34:19):
Yeah, it's such a good overnight base to break up
the trip. But the thing about bosh Mills is the distillery,
Old bosh Mills Distillery. This is the world's oldest licensed distillery,
so they've been turning out whiskey here since sixteen eight.
Jemison's would be the biggest selling Irish whiskey. But like Jemmy's,

(01:34:41):
bush Mills is single mold and triple distilled for smoothness.
If you like your whiskey with that sort of multi
richness and a hint of honey and spice Man Bosh Mills.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
It's the spot.

Speaker 22 (01:34:55):
The distillery tours, Jack, obviously because of the history. They're
really good, So definitely do a distillery tour along with
a few DRAMs.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Okay, what was your biggest coastal thrill.

Speaker 22 (01:35:07):
Well, for a literal cliffhanger, you've got to take a
walk across the Carrica Red rope Bridge. So this connects
the mainland with the rocky outcrop of Carrick Island. And
this rope bridge, Jack, was first established nearly three hundred
years ago by salmon fishermen. So they'd go out to
the island, box up their catch and carry it back

(01:35:29):
to the mainland on this rope bridge and it sways
across this wind blasted chasm high above the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
You're like you just look down directly beneath you. The
ocean is roiling.

Speaker 22 (01:35:43):
No one has ever lost their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Falling off this bridge, which is quite an impressive feet
but it is such a.

Speaker 22 (01:35:52):
Thrill to walk in their footsteps today. I was pleased
to learn Jack that the ropes have been strengthened and
they can withstand the weight of a double decker bus,
which was very reassuring after I digested my full Irish breakfast.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
Yeah, I will hope that we're able to maintain that
record as well, because it's funny when you think of
swing bridge as usually like in New Zealand, you think
of them as being over rivers as opposed to being
over the ocean. I suppose there aren't many opportunities for
it to be over the ocean. So nice and heading.

Speaker 22 (01:36:22):
Inland, yes, I just say generally our ones have steel, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Yes, yes, yes, as opposed to just rope, yeah, just rope.
And so if you head inland from the coast, the
Glens of Antrim series of valleys, right, are they impressive?

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:36:40):
They really are definitely worth time to explore. So turning
south towards Belfast, just head off the coast into these glens.
These are nine magnificent valleys, really deep valleys that jutton
from the coast. So you've got rolling hills and lush
forests and lots of waterfalls folklore galore. But the hiking

(01:37:01):
trails check. They are just so good. Blow out the
cobwebs and bue collops, blender, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Fantastic, Thank you so much, Mike, we'll make sure all
of Mike's tips for tripping the Causeway Coast are up
on the News talks 'DB website. Have a fantastic Christmas,
have a wonderful summer, and we really look forward to
catching again in the new year.

Speaker 22 (01:37:19):
I thank you so much, Jack, and enjoy all of
that childhood sparkle on Christmas Day.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Yeah, I can't wait. Thank you so much. Mike Hardley,
our travel correspondent there for the last time this year
on Saturday mornings before midday. The best song, best album,
and best concert of twenty twenty five according to our
music reviewer, and this year's best fiction and non fiction picks.
Could be a good little option next year if you've
got a hard to buy for in your family and
you're looking for some inspiration. In the next couple of days,

(01:37:47):
our book reviewer will be here very shortly. And it's
just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News talks 'DB,
the Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Tree, Happy j.

Speaker 10 (01:38:08):
Everyone dancing fairly new new sogs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
You just got eleven thirty on your Saturday morning, so
there are now three New Zealand sports Netball cricket and
rugby our top three sports without CEOs. So on Weekend
Sport this afternoon, Jason Pine is going to catch up
with one of the most experienced heads when it comes
to sports governance in New Zealand, Railing Castle is going
to be on the show live to look at the

(01:38:39):
situation afflicting rugby, cricket and netball in this country and
trying to try and work out what happens next. Party's
with us now, Good morning.

Speaker 19 (01:38:47):
Sir, Hello sir.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
Yeah, Pritt of a sort of weird situation and I
think you just Savel made a really good point later
on in the show in which he said that actually
being a really good leader of a sporting organization requires
quite a unique set of skills. It's not like a
normal business, right You're constantly trying to manage these conflicting challenges.

(01:39:11):
To take rugby, for example, you're trying to you're trying
to maximize revenue, You're trying to make the most of
the All Backs brand. You're trying to support the elite
level of the support. You're trying to keep those top
level players in the country while at the same time
supporting the grassroots and often those can be pretty tricky
things to balance.

Speaker 19 (01:39:26):
Absolutely very small pool of people we're talking about there,
I mean Mark Robinson. He was part of a very
small group. A former All Black with commercial acumen, Naco
popin or a rugby club lee on the bar, talk
with the locals, understand what rugby means to us, but
also be comfortable sitting across the table from big corporates
to convince them to align themselves with the All Blacks

(01:39:47):
and New Zealand Rugby, not to mention what goes on
at World Rugby. So yeah, it's a very small group
of people who have all of the skills to do
these things. And the very fact Jack that we haven't
been able to replace Mark Robinson, I mean he resigned
six months ago and there's still no permanent CEO in place.
That's of course, very different from what's happened in the

(01:40:08):
last couple of days with Jenny Wiley and Scott Weening
stepping down after Look, I don't think Netbel will look
back on twenty twenty five with any degree of great
positivity at all. And we've known for a while that
Scott Weining has been at loggerheads with the major associations
the Plats Association and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Parts of his own board.

Speaker 19 (01:40:26):
So look, to me, if you are leading a sport,
there is no more fitting way to do it than
servant leadership. You really are serving those who are involved
in that sport, and I just think sometimes sports administrators
lose sight of the reason that they're there. They are
there to serve the sport and its participants, and too

(01:40:47):
often politics, personality clashes, bickering, just getting the way of that,
you know. So yeah, I'm looking forward to chatting to
Railing Castle about how prevalent that is, how problematic it is,
but also how small is the pool of candidates for
As you say, Jack, the three biggest jobs in sport
in this cuntry three probably as that. I mean, they

(01:41:08):
are three biggest sports, aren't they? Rugby, cricket and netball?

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Yeah, I think so, I think so. Yeah, I mean
you could probably put football up there now as well,
but yeah, I think absolutely. Oh, that'd be a really
good conversation with Raylan this afternoon. You got Luke Metcalff
on the show as well. Yeah, I haven't heard from
Luke for a while. He of course did his ACL
after fifteen rounds last season. Chee was playing well, wasn't
He was leading the DLIM voting before it went behind
closed doors. He was just running the cutter for the

(01:41:31):
Warriors and then that ACL injury. So how was he tracking,
How is the recovery going, is he hitting all the milestones?
And when might we see him back out there for
the Warriors in twenty twenty six? So you're looking forward
to chatting to Luke metcalf just after the one o'clock news. Nice,
what'd you make of that Aucland FC performance last night?

Speaker 19 (01:41:47):
I thought they was good in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
I thought they really two halves that't it well in
the first half of the Oh no, But yeah there're
ten things.

Speaker 19 (01:41:54):
Round and that Taukland FC for you, you know, they
just they just they just get it done. I thought
Lachland Brook was magnificent. The second goal was just yeah,
just pure class from Auckland f C. Yeah, they're just
starting to they starting to go again, out again, they
really are. That's three ones and allow. I look, if
they win next week and it's against Sydney FC, the

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other team at the top of the table, they'll have
the same number of points after what will that be
ten games that they'd have to ten games last year
and we know how that season finished up in terms
of the Premiers plate. So yeah, I like what I'm
seeing from Auckland FC are very good.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
Looking forward to the show this afternoon. Thank you sir,
have a great Chostmas. Jason Pine with us for weekends Sport.
The Savo Raylean Castle from Sports ends on the show
looking at the situation with CEOs for rugby, cricket and
netball in New Zealand before midday. The Best Song, Best Album,
Best Concert, Best Fiction and Best Nonfiction are twenty twenty five.
Right now, it's twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News talks 'b.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Twenty two to twelve on News Talks. They'd be It's
fair to say that our book reviewer Katherine Rains gets
through our whole heap of books every year. I mean,
if you think about it, she is on the show
every week, two books on our show every single Saturday morning.
Put that over a year, you're looking at more than
one hundred books. Catherine, you must be an incredibly fast reader,

(01:43:18):
so I've been.

Speaker 21 (01:43:18):
Told, Yeah, I think I am. I've never learned to
speed read or anything like that. But yeah, I do
tune through a few.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Yeah, you've been through a few, and you've picked out
your favorites for twenty twenty five a round up of
this year's best. So we're going to start off with nonfiction.
What are your favorite nonfiction reads of twenty twenty five?
So first up is The Breath.

Speaker 21 (01:43:39):
Of God's by Simon Winchester, and he has this really
interesting story about the changes in the Earth's wind patterns,
what happens, where it occurs, how it's influenced progress, and
he has this incredible ability to weave science and history
and references about how it's impacted the human race throughout history.
And he has lots of interesting antidotes and his own

(01:44:02):
experiences and the people that he talks to, and it
makes this book really relatable and formamative and enjoyable, and
I'd highly recommend it. You wouldn't think a book about
the wind and the movement of air would be interesting,
but in this case it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, it's funny, isn't it How something that
can see some kind of banal can actually be really amazing.
So what's your next pick?

Speaker 21 (01:44:23):
So my next pick is The Short History of Nearly
Everything two point zero by Bill Bryson, and the original
book was published back in two thousand and three. So
he talks in this one about discoveries and updates as
to what's happened in the last twenty years basically, and
the discoveries in the Solar system and new human ancestors
and the recatiation of Pluto and lots of planets and

(01:44:46):
new moons and dark matter and energy and genetic advancements.
And he also is really good at making very complex
subjects endlessly fascinating, and he has this incredibly approachable writing style.
He's interesting to listen to, but his writing is incredible
in the way that he just makes these incredibly complex
ideas is very simple and completely understandable.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Superb. Next up, Mother Mary Comes to Me by Aaron
Hutti Roy.

Speaker 21 (01:45:13):
So this is a memoir from her about her life
and how it was shaped with her relationship with her mother,
Mary Roy. And it's about her childhood in India and
the obstacles that she had along the way, and that
hardship and resilience and that determination that she overcomes. And
her mother was this incredibly dominant woman and she creates
her own educational empire, and she was a real task

(01:45:37):
master and a tyrant and these she has this opportunity
to create this community of children, which she does. But
then on the other side is her relationship with her
own two children, who are really attached to her, and
they continue to come back even after years of estrangement.
And you know, Androtti refers to her mother as missus
Roy for almost her entire life. And it's just a

(01:45:59):
really interesting look at her dynamics. And she's a fantastic writer,
and yeah, it's complex, but it's a relationship that she
has at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Okay, great, So those three non fiction reads that you
reckon are the best of twenty twenty five are The
Breath of Gods by Simon Winchester, The History of Nearly
Everything two point zero by Bill Bryson, and Mother Mary
Comes to Meet by arn Tutty Roy. So let's go
to your fiction pecks. Let's begin with Thursday Murder Club
Impossible Fortune by Richard Osmond.

Speaker 21 (01:46:29):
So this is when the Thursday Murder Club are back,
and it's set around a wedding when Elizabeth meets a
guest who is in trouble and this whole series feels
like you're being reunited with friends. It's accessible, it's about
friendship and aging and the thrill of solving a good
puzzle alongside it. These are completely charming and I'd highly

(01:46:50):
recommend great for a lazy Sunday afternoon or lying at
the beach. It's perfect and you'll get you'll love these characters.
I can guarantee it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
Oh nice. So what's next?

Speaker 21 (01:47:01):
The cutthroat Trial Secret Barrister by S. J.

Speaker 13 (01:47:04):
Fleet.

Speaker 21 (01:47:04):
And this is a story about three youths have been
accused of murder and each blames each other, but it's
also about their three barristers. And it has this great
dialogue and insight and the drama and the reveals. And
it's also written by an author that is well versed
in the world of criminal trials, so he really knows
the stuff. And it really feels like you're they're alongside them.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Oh excellent. Okay, And last, but not least, friend of
the show, David Baldacci's Nash Falls so.

Speaker 21 (01:47:31):
Wildt has this very comfortable and predictable life. He's a
high level executive, he has a lovely family. His life
isn't violence. That's not what he's known for, but in
this thriller, his life is completely turned upside down after
a visit in the middle of the night and the
FBI makes contact and Baldacci consistently writes characters that are

(01:47:52):
really real and interesting and the whole book it keeps
you intrigued. And again he's an excellent writer, and lots
of thrills in this book.

Speaker 12 (01:48:00):
It's very well done.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Oh great, So that's Nash Falls by David Baldacci, The
Cutthroat Trial by the Secret, The Cutthroat Trial by the
Secret Barrister by S. J. Fleet, and Thursday Murder Club
Impossible Fortune by Richard Osmond. Round out your top fiction
picks for the year. Will make sure all of Catherine's
picks for nonfiction and fiction for the best Reads of

(01:48:21):
twenty twenty five are up on the news talks heb website. Catherine,
have a fantastic Christmas. Thank you so much and we
look forward to catching you in the new year.

Speaker 21 (01:48:30):
You too, enjoy your Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Very good. Katherin Rain's our book reviewer for the final
time in twenty twenty five. Next up to round out
our show this year, the Best Song, the Best Album,
The Best Concert of the year, call it a twelve.
On News Talks, he'd be giving you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
The inside scoop on All You Need to Know on
Saturday Morning with Jack Dame News Talks, Edbskie.

Speaker 13 (01:48:55):
Sayson one Sun Sayson Man. I might have been for again, Beties,
feel like I don't have.

Speaker 11 (01:49:05):
The answers this madness over aheads lady jrry me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
I'll kill that is Lord with Hammer thirteen to twelve
on News Talks, he'd be our music viewer Chris schultzers
and and the reason we're playing Hammer by Lord is
it is his top pick for best song of twenty
twenty five. It's great, it's it's a real jam. So
give us your thinking, give us you, give us you
a rationale behind picking Lord.

Speaker 18 (01:49:49):
Well, this year is the first year that music fans
have had to question where their music has come from.
We spoke abouit about this last year, AI right, like
did a human make this? Or did a robot make this?
We're all sort of working our way through the slot.
And my reaction to that has been to chase down
music that's felt more human than ever, more emotional. I

(01:50:11):
want rawness, I want realness, I want imperfections. Lord's Virgin
album from July just had that in spades. It's such
an honest album. It moves all over the place, and
it captures her at a moment where she's just trying
to find yourself, older, a little wiser, with a little

(01:50:31):
more insights to who she is. And Hammer's the first
song on the album. It really sets the tone. Every
time I hear that song, I hear different textures and layers.
It's never the same. Yeah, and the whole album is
kind of like that. I played it this morning and
and same thing. I just got this burst of just like,
you've got to listen to it. You've got to really
sit there and listen to it. It's not background music.

(01:50:53):
Yours have to be careful with it. The vinyl insert
it's very rata. It fell out and I hadn't even
had a coffee. I was like, oh my god, well, kids,
she really does put herself out there, and that's what
I was looking for in music.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Yea, yeah, oh very good. I like that rationale as well.
I was listening to I listen to this this tech
podcast and they were describing the ways in which AI
is kind of impacting art and you know, and pop
culture and stuff, and they were saying, what do you
think will be the first award to go to art
that's been made by AI? Is it going to be

(01:51:29):
an Oscar?

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Is it going to be an Emmy?

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
Is it going to be a where? And everyone was like,
it's probably going to be a Grammy. Like of all
of the of the different genres of that kind of
popular art, I suppose it's music that is furthest down
the path of using AI tools. So actually seeking out,
like you say, really human art is yeah, kind of
more precient than ever. So Hammer by Lord is your

(01:51:52):
best song of twenty twenty five? Your best album of
twenty twenty five goes to.

Speaker 18 (01:51:57):
It's Lily Allen. It has to be right, Like we
spoke about this the day after it came out. Yeah, yeah,
And it hadn't become apparent yet just how huge this
album was going to be. We hadn't heard from Lily
Allen in seven years, complete silence. She'd been off having kids,
getting married, and she came out with this album that
was made in two weeks and it was a TMZ

(01:52:18):
of an album.

Speaker 11 (01:52:19):
Right.

Speaker 18 (01:52:19):
It felt like you were listening to something you really
shouldn't be hearing it dish the dirt on a Hollywood
celebrity marriage breakup in just the most salacious ways. And
she has said that some of it's made up and
some of it's rare, and we don't know what. I'd
wager more of this is real than not. The details
are just too too juicy for them not to be.

(01:52:42):
But this album's had legs. It's you know, she's just
played ECNL. She's she's looking so poised when she plays
these songs. She's going on to the next year. Most
of the dates are sold out. She's playing the album
in full and I think that's a sign that this
album celebrated the album format because you had to listen
to the whole thing to get the whole story. There
were no skips because you want you wanted more on Metaline,

(01:53:04):
You wanted more on the handbags and the the dude
side tables, like you wanted to hear every little line,
every little bit to try and you know, pull out
what was what was happening, what was going on?

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
Oh fantastic good? Okay, So that's Lily Allen west m Girl,
your favorite album of twenty twenty five and the best
concert of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 18 (01:53:22):
We It was a troubling year for concerts. We didn't
get a lot. I reported from Australia twice. Yeah, because
we didn't get Oasis and Kindrick and Lady Gaga. But
we did get some really good shows Metallica and at
the end of the year was fantastic. And at the
start of the year it feels like millions of miles ago.
Charlie xcy Exit Laneway brought Brat's summer to Altado. I've

(01:53:43):
only ever seen her in smaller shows like saw at
the power Station when she first started. This was not that.
This was just an explosion of glitchy electronic and madness.
It's just her on a stage all on her own
ninety minutes. And you know, the next time we see her,
she's got a movie coming out, she's got a new
album coming out early next year. She's going to be

(01:54:04):
in stadium. She's going to be part of that you
are that's sweeping this nostalgia away and bringing in that
younger generation into those bigger venues.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Nuer great packs. I love all of those and it's
a SHEI she one two three.

Speaker 18 (01:54:18):
The dudes have some work to do.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Lord Lily and Charlie yeah, hey, thank you so much.
We'll make sure we put all of those topics on
the website as we always do. Have a fantastic summer's break.
Really appreciate it, Chris Schultz, And of course you can
hear more from Chris on his substack Boiler Room eight
to twelve. On news talks, he'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
team news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
AB. I can't believe it. We are done. We had
done for another Saturday morning together, another year to get
their own news talks, he'd be, would you believe we've
been doing Saturday mornings together now for twelve years? It's
crazy A I just I just feel so lucky. Honestly,
doing this show is an absolute stand out highlight of

(01:55:07):
my week every week. So thank you very much for
tuning in on Saturday mornings, for all of your feedback,
for entertaining my various whims and fancies. I really do
appreciate it, And I hope wherever you are you were
going to have a fantastic summer's break. I hope you
can disconnect a little bit if you've been working. I

(01:55:28):
hope you can catch up with friends and family. I
hope you can enjoy plenty of treats, some outside time,
a few swims in the ocean, all that good stuff
that makes life worth living. Just so you know, the
black Caps have taken another wicket. If you like me,
you'll be enjoying a little bit of cricket over the
summer as well. Jacob Duffy's taking a second one, so
the Windy's in our one hundred and forty one for two.

(01:55:49):
A massive thank you as always to my wonderful producer
Libby for keeping me on the straight and narrow, making
sure the show goes to area every Saturday morning. I
hope she enjoys a good summer's break as well. We're
going to be back with you in twenty twenty six.
Saturday the seventeenth of is our first show for the
new year. So until then we're going to leave you

(01:56:10):
with Kylie and send a baby. Have a fantastic summer,
Mary kremite and see you again in twenty twenty six,
and hurry down.

Speaker 11 (01:56:19):
The chimney tourna. Come and test my Christmas treat? Who
is some decorations for.

Speaker 4 (01:56:38):
I really do believe in.

Speaker 12 (01:56:41):
You, s if you believe in me?

Speaker 11 (01:56:49):
Set a baby, forgot to mention one thing or hands
on me on phone baby, So hurry down the journey tonight.

Speaker 12 (01:57:08):
Hurry down the Journey tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Hurry tonight

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