Full Show Podcast: 22 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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YOD and New ZEALA. Good morning, Welcome to News Talks dB.
I'm jactaying with you through to midday today. It is
always weird watching a big sporting fixture when you don't
have a dog in the fight. If I was to
break down all of New Zealand's five Super Rugby teams
or rank them in my order of preference, I reckon
the Chiefs and the Blues would be probably bottom of

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the list. So yeah, it's a weird one tonight seeing
a Super Rugby final with two teams whom I don't
really care all that much about. But that being said,
if I really had to choose, it's still pretty easy.
Come on up the Chiefs, down the Blues. I hope
there's an upset at seven o'clock tonight at Eden Park.
We're going to be counting down to that Super Rugby

(01:28):
Final and our feature interviewed this morning right after ten
o'clock Key we Rugby League legend Mark Graham is with us.
He was hard before before hard was even a thing,
like back in the golden years of rugby league, when
it wasn't really a sport. It was basically just grievous
bodily harm. Every weekend, Mark Graham stood out for being

(01:49):
tougher than the rest. So really looking forward to that conversation.
Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Check team.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
How much worse could it have been? I don't want
to speak too soon. A refloating mission is underway as
we go to wear but from what we know at
the stage key we rail the inter Islander, and honestly,
New Zealand might have just escaped a much, much, much
more serious disaster. So the Outer Teddy Faery departed Pickton

(02:20):
last night and from what we understand about the timeline,
it almost immediately lost steering, so within about fifteen minutes
it had run aground. There are forty seven people on board,
most of them are crew, all of them are in
life jackets. Most importantly, all of them are safe, and
for now at least the Faery is water tight. As

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of this minute, we are one minute past high tide
and picked in high tide and Pickton was nine oh
eight am. It's currently nine oh nine. There are tugboats
on the scene and a refloating effort is underway. It's bad,
But again my reaction, again not wanting to speak too soon,
is at this stage one of tempered relief, and we

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may have just dodged a far greater disaster. Imagine if
the Fairy had lost steering further out in the sounds
and had run aground late last night. Imagine if it
hadn't been perfectly still and calm. Imagine if it was
full of passengers school holidays kids. Imagine if it hadn't

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stayed water tight. Imagine if it got into trouble at
a vital point in cook straight entering Wellington Harbor. There
are surely moments on that journey where, even if alarm
was raised, emergency vessels and tug boats might not have
the time to scramble and save the stricken ship. We
could be waking this morning to news of a maritime

(03:47):
disaster in one of the most beautiful parts of New Zealand,
a disaster that you know, makes the arena look like
a mere spilt cup of coffee. And most importantly, of course,
people could have been injured, people could have died. The
state and the future of the Fairies has been a
political football. The previous government signed a fixed price contract

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to build two new Fairies, but after the Enter Island
Resilience project exploded in its projected costs, the new government
declined Kei Wei Rail's request for extra funding, and Parliament
is recently. Just a couple of days ago, Transport Minister
Simeon Brown was highly critical of Kiwi Rail's maintenance of
the current fleet. Last night's event will obviously bring all

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of this into sharp focus. Is this an event that
will justify new vessels in the new port infrastructure? After all,
let's hope the Fairy and her passengers can be safely refloated,
however long that takes. But clearly the status quo is unsustainable.
And just because we may have avoided the absolute worst

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on this occasion, it doesn't mean the next time won't
be different. Jack two, right, Oh, we have just this
second got a message through from the Marlboro District Council
and from the authorities who are working on the attempts
to refloat the Artitelly. This morning they have abandoned those attempts.

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So in the last couple of minutes, they have decided
to abandon those attempts and instead send down divers to
gather more information about how badly the vessel has run aground.
As it happens, my beloved Auntie Barb Tame is a
resident of nearby Waikawa. As soon as I saw the
news this morning, I flicked her a message and she said, well,

(05:41):
where do you think I'm going? I'm going to take
my bike down the road get a view of the
refloating effort as the tugboats head out into the sounds today.
And she's with us. Now, Hi, Hi, Andy Barb, it's
Jack here. Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Hi?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah, Hi Jack, I can hear you loud and cleary.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
So where are you at the moment?

Speaker 6 (05:56):
So I'm with half of Viction up on a lookout
looking out over the over the sounds and over the ship.
Good views, but yeah, not a lot and not going
to be a lot happening, as.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
You just said.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, well, so we've we've just heard of abandoned the
refloating efforts for now. But what can you see around
the around the art teedy itself?

Speaker 6 (06:17):
So a couple of tugs I think few pleasure boats
having a bit of a lot. But yeah, just a
couple of the local tugs, which I thought looked like
they were hooking up to do something. But maybe that's
all all finished.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, and whereabouts has it run aground? Is it like
a straight shot picked in.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Well It's turned very violently right instead of heading out
into the sound and then turning right to get to Wellington,
So it's very very close. It's great viewing for all
the Peptonites up here.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah. Yeah, what are the conditions like there at the moment.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
It's just starting to drizzle, but it's perfectly still in
calm and great guys, but perfect, Yeah, perfect conditions for
whatever they're attempting.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Next, how are people feeling about seeing seeing a vessel
of that size run aground?

Speaker 6 (07:12):
What is a wee at?

Speaker 7 (07:13):
God snacked?

Speaker 6 (07:14):
But yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
I sort of.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Haven't really talked to talk to any of the locals
up to yet. I'm not local long enough myself.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, I know that works. It's like you've been there
five minutes until you've been there forty years.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
But I mean there's obviously been a bit of concern
about the state of the theories and things. I mean,
given given it such an area of natural beauty, you know,
is that do I mean? Do you feel kind of
anxious about about if it's to refloat it?

Speaker 6 (07:44):
I feel yes, it could be a big Yeah, it
could be a real worry. I always steel anxious when
I went on myself not that long ago, and there
were various issues. So and I think all the local
people and others still pretty much the same. Are you
guaranteed to get there?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (08:02):
And so.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Have they have someone announce to you guys that they've
abandoned it or the news?

Speaker 6 (08:09):
I think that might be me because everybody's Yeah, I
don't know if anybody's I'm sure they're all listening to you, Jack,
but I'm not sure if anybody knows that yet.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
That's good. You make sure everyone's got their iHeartRadio one
so they can get the very latest.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
It's a bit wet now. I might have to go
home and come back later.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Can you just just one last thing from your vantage
point for the people who are on board the vessel
at the moment, if they're needing to get people on
and off safely, is that how complicated do you think
that's going to be?

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Well, it's very slat and calm, so you know, the
back end of the ship's poking out into the sound
a bit. So whatever they do with people, I'm sure
they can work something out. But yeah, it's not a
matter of just holopping off the front and down onto
the beach.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, it's up into the sound. Hey, thank you so much.
And yeah, I hope everything's okay today and obviously we
really hope that they can get it back up and
floating without any damage or anything like that. Thank you,
so do I see you soon. That's my auntie Barb Tame,
who is joined by half of picton overlooking the Marlborough Sounds.

(09:14):
Is that if it to work out, exactly what's going
to happen with the arter Teddy into Islander Ferry continues
this morning, We're going to keep you up to speed
with the very latest from the authorities as that comes
through this morning. So at the moment authorities say they
want to put divers in the water, they want to
have a really good look at the hull of the
ship in the daylight. That they want to observe the

(09:36):
vessel utter Teddy as she goes through the full tide,
just to see what sort of level of buoyancy she's got.
That's come from the Marlburg District Council Mayor Nadine Taylor,
who's among those who's been sitting in on a morning
briefing on the situation. They say that the divers are
going to be investigating the seabed underneath the vessel as well.
Quote they want to understand exactly where the hell is

(09:58):
touching the sea bed and get a good understanding of
the underlying ground she's sitting on, says Nelson District Council
Mayor Nadine Taylor. Like I say, well, up to speed
with any updates as soon as they come through. Right now,
it is sixteen minutes past nine. You're with Jacktame. This
is newstalks EDB.

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If you want to contact me this morning, you can email.
You can text me as well. Of course, ninety two
to ninety two is our text number. Don't forget that
standard text costs apply if you are flicking us the
message Kevin Miln is with us this morning, Keelder Kevin.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
And go anti Bob Yeah No Member of the time.
Family is safe now would say, wherever you are, you
can be called on instantly for a little piece about
what's happening in front of it.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Well, she said to me this morning that she should
packed her thermos. She got on her bike and she'd
went and got a goo advantage point so that a
good spot on the vantage so she could see everything
as it unfolded. But yeah, I mean, it does sound pretty,
you know, reasonably serious. But but I suppose my initial
reaction is that, you know, provided they can refloat it safely,

(12:20):
you can only imagine how much worse it might have
been in a worst case scenario. An absolute worst case scenario.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
Is blocking the way of the other fairies.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
No, I know, from from my understanding, it's it's not
But yeah, I I I don't honestly know that for sure.
Side I wouldn't want to save a certain team.

Speaker 8 (12:42):
We've got another question, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Exactly, Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we're going to keep keep up
with the very latest from the authorities as they continue
their efforts in the sounds this morning, just outside of Picton,
but I hear you were up and another part of
the country this week and Tarmaki Mikado, Auckland, Kevin.

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Elendra and I S meant for rewarding days up your
neck of the woods this week. Now, while downtown Auckland's
declimb continues, the old suburbs seemed more glorious than ever.
Who was it that had the foresight to preserve block
after block of beautifully aged bungalows and cottages across Auckland.

(13:19):
No other city except maybe Dunedin, has fared so much
of its vintage housing stock. I'd liking for Mount Eden
were our first friend of a house nearly fifty years
ago as a young TV one newsman. Gosh, I wish
I could have bought that house back then. There are
all those leafy suburbs too, of course, like Herne Bays

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and Mary's Bay, Freeman's Bay, Ponsonby Graylan, absolutely gorgeous. But
Mount Eden has busy, rumpty old Mount Eden Road running
alongside it. And with busy roads come shops, cafes, florist's, supermarkets,
libraries which bring people. We stayed a couple of nights

(14:02):
in Mount Eden with old journo friends. The man in
this couple an astonishing cook. It supposes me, actually, how
many hard assed male journalists turned out to be excellent cooks,
but this guy's the best. The first thing you said
after inviting us to say was I've been keeping something
for a special occasion. They're hard to find. Actually, we'll

(14:24):
have a little French night. Can you guess that?

Speaker 4 (14:27):
What?

Speaker 2 (14:28):
What?

Speaker 7 (14:28):
That might have been?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Dead snails? No, frog's legs, No, No, the stinkiest yeah.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
No, I can't remember having it before. They're all over
New Zealand. Yet the French have celebrated it for years.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
No truffles, cock Jack, we had some cock.

Speaker 7 (14:52):
I never knew what a cock was exactly. Do you
it's a young rooster.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I heard there were a lot of them in all colinects.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
Now, cook that's tender with a slightly gaming of flavor.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
And the famous French dish with cocon it is, of
course cocko van cock with wine, a stew with perhaps
a little brandy, crisp, bacon, mushrooms and pearl onions. Magnificent.
Now Linda doesn't have bacon, unbelievably, Mikey remembered that from
a couple of years back, and he cooked her a

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separate meal without the bacon. What a host, Jack, and
a great journal as well.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, how amazing, that's fantastic. What Yeah, we just want
even did I say do you buy you buy cock?

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Do you yes?

Speaker 7 (15:43):
You buy cock?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Okay, yeah, probably you need to go.

Speaker 7 (15:46):
I didn't find that whereto.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, we've got a couple of the French specialist stores
and Parnell or something like that. Maybe is that's the place?

Speaker 7 (15:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, very good. Hey, how yeah sounds sounds fantastic, Kevin,
thank you for that. I was I was wondering with
those guesses where I was going to end up to
be perfectly honest, but appreciate that. If you want to
get a touch, ninety two ninety two as the text number.
Right now, it is twenty five minutes past nine. We'll
get our Sportos take on the Super Rugby Final in

(16:14):
a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning. With Jack Team
on news talks, he'd.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Be just coming up to nine thirty on news talks,
he'd be massive weekend of sport. We've got the Euros continuing,
The Warrior is at five o'clock and then of course
the Super Rugby Final. Eden Parks sold out for the
Chiefs Blues this evening. Our Sporto. Andrew Saville is here
more than U, Sev.

Speaker 8 (16:41):
Morrin and Jack ge It's proof that the world has
gone absolutely crazy. We've got Anti Barb Tame reporting on
a ground at the Ferry and the Mauldras sounds. We've
got Kevin Milne talking about eating cock and Auckland.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, it's just another Saturday, isn't it just another Saturday.
We aim to bring you variety. That's what we do
on another nine to.

Speaker 8 (17:05):
Noon Saturday with Jack Tame. Yeah, Christmas Christmas lunch at
the Tame household. Does everyone report on each dish? Over
to you, Lusty Barb Oh, yes, Jack, Well, the peas
and great, they are very nice this year.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It must be a disaster being being a family member
of a broadcaster or a journalist, because you know that
at some point, if they're in the industry for long enough,
you were going to be You're going to be a
witness to something and have to get called upon it
in the Yeah. Yeah, anyway, hey Rugby. Yes, conditions, conditions
pretty good this morning and the.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
Un it's a bit wispy, cloudy sort of day, but
the sun's breaking through. My understanding is there could possibly
be a shower or two later in the day, if
not during the game. And let's not forget this is
Auckland and whenever you schedule a footy game in Auctland
it tends to rain. But fingers crossed for the Davy Fine,
it's just such a shame. I suppose Jack it's not

(17:58):
an afternoon kickoff as we saw them one wee last
week with that four thirty game, big, big crowd, a great,
great game of rugby. I think tonight is going to
be a gripping file for four five thousand wedged into
Eden Parker. We've fantastic test match like atmosphere and there
these two teams are at the top of their respective games.

(18:20):
I think the Blues because it's home, if you can
call it home, I think they had their beaks in front.
They are odds on favorites to win. But this Chiefs
team really play. It's a magnificent football really on in
that game of Wellington last week and they're running and
perform they No one was really talking about them going

(18:40):
into the playoffs they finished fourth, but gee, they're like
a good race horse. They're running and per form at
exactly the right time, pretty much at full strength. Both
teams are and I just can't wait for this true
local derby game. It's a game that rugby needs after
so much off field, for so many off field issues

(19:02):
in the past twelve eighteen months. This is definitely a
game the sport needs. A lot of people are calling
it the Battle of the bomb Bays. But did you
realize the Chiefs boundary actually comes right up from manurewa?

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Okay, yeah, because yeah, right, that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
Rugby are part of the Chiefs and clubs like Manure
and Papacuda are part of County's Monaco Rugby. So the
boundary without yesterday is that about Rainbow's end?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Ah See. I think that's the same for electorates as well,
you know, like I think I think for like the
Mildi seats for example, like Tarmaki Makota and Huduki Waikator,
I think they have a boundary in a very similar place.
So because you think it'd be the Bombays, e that'd
be the easiest bot exactly. But yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
Mean when all complaines wake out on the MPC's the Bombays, right,
But this difference, Yeah, who are you? Who are you picking?
Who do you want to win.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I want the Chiefs to win. I want the Chiefs
to win. Yeah, And I thought last week was a
great example. We said it, we said last week you
know in the show that the Chiefs have kind of
been flying out of the radar quite a bit, and
I thought it was a stunking game last weekend. There's
a real joy in watching sport. You love when you
don't have skin in the game, and also.

Speaker 8 (20:14):
When it's a great final because there is a bit
of indecision or an unknown quantity to who's going to win.

Speaker 9 (20:22):
You know, if it was the.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
Crusaders playing the Brumbies and Christ to you, I mean
you pretty much put your house on the Crusaders to win.
This This is different and we're going to have a
new champion after that great run of the Crusaders. That's
the other fact that also, I think these teams have
two fantastic coaches and two fantastic coaching teams. Clayton McMillan
for the Chiefs outstanding. I think he will be all
black coach one day. Vern Kott have been there, done

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that in European and international rugby. Two outstanding coaches. A
super CEO said to me recently, the most important job
in this game is having a good coach. That's the
most important job in his setup.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that. Hey tell you what,
it has been a real joy to see the speed
and ease with which my household has slipped into football
tournament life. Like it's honestly my you know, like my
steps one just gets up every morning with me nice
and earlier were just you know, and and it's an

(21:20):
incredible incentive. TV before school is a great incentive. I say, look,
if you have eaten your breakfast, brush your teeth, packed
your school bag, put your lunch box away, got changed,
and and wash your face, then we can watch football.
And I tell you what, there hasn't been a day
this week. He hasn't been up before seven, ready to go.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
You know who needs who needs blue?

Speaker 8 (21:40):
When you have our baby.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Verses, it'll exactly exactly.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
Atmosphere, the atmosphere at every game. It's because you know,
the fans can travel when when the countries are so
close together. But superb atmosphere, great quality of football drama already.
I mean this morning, France and the Dutch drawing mill
all who would have picked that teams that you'd automatically

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picked to make the last sixteen, or are faltering and
having a few issues like England. But yeah, just just
fantastic football. And yeah, it's like a little compsment. You
get into that daily routine and when the tournament in
just sort of left suren going what do I do now?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Totally, totally, it's just.

Speaker 8 (22:23):
When the tournament finishes, that's when you get on your bike,
your bike down the road and you watch a grounded series.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, exactly. Well I was going to say, when the
tournament finishes, you can rest in the comfort of knowing
that the Tour de France will have begun and the
Olympics are right around the corner. So actually we've got
about three months of sustained sports in the morning, Thank
you so much, Seed, go to chat as our sporto
Andrews save so good as well having the football on
TVNZ Plus as well, you know, free to wear for

(22:51):
all of us. But fourteen o'clock this morning, if you
are looking for a delicious winter Solstice warmer, our cook
has a delicious recipe from Moroccan spiced lamb shanks and
leentals that she's going to share with us, which sounds
like a bit of me on a cold winter's now
right now, it's twenty five to ten. Your movie picks
for this weekend? Next honestly cuts your voice night.

Speaker 10 (23:15):
Tell me how you've been feeling this get out on
the alas, says the loud.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Sol's say on my head insteads be in pitch.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
This is Lord. The song is girl so confusing, and
it's actually Charlie XCX featuring Lord. Lord's kind of known
for releasing music on the Solstice. She did a couple
of years ago, and she did it yesterday with a
remix of Charlie xx's new song.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
So.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
In the song, the two women hash out their feelings
about overthinking their awkward frenemy relationship fueled by tabloid media.
They sing about support and admiration for each other, quashing
the rumors for good. I know that they share a
lot of fans, like the Lord's fan base and Charlie
XCX's fan base have massive crossover, and even though the

(24:08):
music is quite different in a lot of respects, I
think a lot of people have wondered if those two
would get together and do a bit of a collaboration
at some point. So that's very cool right now, it
is twenty two minutes to ten on News Talks. B
Francisca Rudkin, our film reviewer, is here with her picks
for this weekend. Hey Francisca, good morning. Let's start off
with a little bit of a listen to Despicable Me
for gru's been compromised.

Speaker 11 (24:35):
Then we need volunteers.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
You will be the first to test.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
Our super serum designed to transform you into cutting and ages,
or you might just explain.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Eh, okay, that's Despicable Me.

Speaker 12 (24:56):
For So, the school holidays are two weeks away, and
it has been seven years since we last or Grew
as Lucy and the family, and the family are still
go going strong. They've added a new edition, Grew Junior
is there, and they've sort of got a smaller core
group of hilarious minions that live with the family and

(25:17):
keep us very much entertained. What I love about these
films is they appeel to a real wide range of ages.
There's jokes for the adults, there's lots of slaps that
gags for the little kids. You know, full of heart.
These stories and pretty solid storytelling, and this offering is good.
It is fun. I actually enjoyed revisiting these guys more

(25:39):
than I thought I would. But my worry was that
maybe they might have run out of ideas, and it
did feel a little bit repetitive in some parts the story.
In some parts it was a little bit derivative. As
you heard in the trailer bed, it is kind of
a side story where they create these super minions, these
mutant superhero minions that can't control their powers. We've kind

(26:02):
of seen that being done quite a bit before. But
the main focus in the story as on Grew and
his nemesis, Maxine Lamalle, escapes prison comes after Grew, so
the family have to go into hiding and sort of
take on these different identities, and then they have to
adapt to this very sort of posh, preopy neighborhood and
trying to fit in. I think if you've enjoyed the
previous films, you're going to enjoy this film. I wondered

(26:26):
at the end, there's a fabulous scene at the end,
really great upbeat little number at the end, and I
wondered whether it was a little bit of a signal
that they two acknowledged that maybe they're coming to the
end of this franchise. For the holidays, but I'm also
great for the younger kids, like lots of kids laughing
at all the slapstick bits and pieces. So if you've
actually never been to one of these films, this would

(26:47):
be good holiday entertainment.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Is nice. Okay, that sounds really good. Okay, that's Despicable
Me for one, for the fans and for the kids.
Next up, something completely different, tell us about the Road
to Patagonia.

Speaker 13 (26:58):
So I picked this.

Speaker 12 (26:59):
I wanted to talk about this because I thought you
would be really interesting because you love a crazy adventure.
And then I just thought, oh no, his wife's you're
gonna hate you talking about the film if he sees
this film. This will not be good for Jack Cane,
because I think even if you've just got a tiny
little bit of sense of adventure in you, or you know,
spirit of adventure in you, you will watch this film
and go, yeah, I just need to go and I

(27:20):
need to get out there in the world and do
something crazy. This captures an amazing road trip by an
Ozzie Matty Flannon, and he's an ecologist and a surfer,
and he decided to travel the West coast of the Americas,
so from Alaska and finishing up down in Patagonia. He
got a motorbike and he built this sort of custom
made sidecar that he can carry his surfboards, and off

(27:40):
he goes on the fifty thousand kilometer trip. But it's
also a quite beautiful love story this film, because along
the way, I think it's about Vancouver, he met Heather,
who was a permaculture farmer, and they kind of headed
off and they spend a bit of time together, but
then he heads off on his way in Mexico, the
bike of stolen and the world sort of falls apart
a little bit Mattie, but he pulls himself together. Some

(28:01):
friends come into it him, he gets another bike, and
then Heather decides that actually she's to sell her farm
and come and join him as well, and off.

Speaker 6 (28:08):
They all go.

Speaker 12 (28:10):
After a little while, all the other friends leave and
it's just it comes. It's Jeff, Maddie and Heather on
this journey. They meet some amazing indigenous people along the way,
living in harmony with the land. They come across communities
that are tied to their land, people that are connected
to the world around them, and I think there is

(28:30):
definitely a very kind of spiritual aspect to this film.
Which some people may feel is a little bit happy
for them. But I think that the cinematography is so beautiful.
Their story is so beautiful. It's delivered in such a
very immersive, emotional way that even if it is a

(28:51):
little bit like too much for you, you still kind
of get on board this journey and you fall in
love with these two people. And I'm going to be honest,
I cried at the end really because no, not because
things got a little bit wrong. They decide to get
rid of the motorbikes because they want to get off
the rope, and they get horses. It be four horses Jack.
Now there's Maddie and Heather have ridden a horse. So
things get a little tense and Heather goes home and

(29:13):
all of a sudden, the story like these people sort
of you do you get quite attached to them. It's
really beautiful. It's going to be on at the cinemas.
It's worth catching because this actually made has done a
really good job with the cinematography. It's an amazing journey
and a really thought provoking journey too.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Oh it sounds special, Okay, cool, So that's the road
to Patagonia. Definitely sounds like a little bit of me.
Thank you so much, Francesca. We will catch again very soon,
and don't forget this morning. Of course, after ten o'clock
on News Talk there'd be we're going to be celebrating
one of the films that is showing this year's documentary
Edge Festival, Dockage Festival. It's called Sharco and it is

(29:50):
the story of Kiwi rugby league hard man New Zealand
rugby League's player of the Century, Mark Graham. I've been
lucky enough to see the film and it was just
stunning to me going back and looking at the archival
footage of rugby league and you know, the late eighties
and nineties, early nineties, just how tough and violent it was.

(30:12):
I mean, like you compare it with the modern day,
and you know there's a lot of concern about head
injuries and potential damage that players might sustain these days.
If you just wind back the clock twenty five years,
it was a completely different galaxy all together. I mean,
people just being openly assaulted live on television, openly assaulted

(30:35):
directly in front of the referee and play discontinues. It
seems to be totally fine anyway, really looking forward to
speaking to Mark Graham and his son Luke Graham, who
was the filmmaker behind Charco when they join us after
ten this morning. Thank you so much for your feedback, Jack,
I really hope you aren't any live stock trucks on
board the ferry. That's a really good point actually, So
we know that the trucks. It was a freight only

(30:56):
sailing last night from Picton, so we know there are
some trucks on board the ferry, but we don't know
what those trucks are carrying at the stage, Jack, those
fairies are clearly not fit for purpose any more.

Speaker 8 (31:07):
Very much.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Hope they can get it refloated without any damage. Good
to hear that it's water tight for the time being.
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Speaker 3 (31:27):
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(31:47):
perfect winter warmer this morning. Hey Nikki, Hey, good morning.

Speaker 11 (31:50):
I just got a question. Is am I now speaking
to Barb's nephew?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Are youreactly we broadcast Antie bar Yeah, yeah, yeah, And
I love her nephew's having a crack at the bad
casting lark as well. But yeah, that's great.

Speaker 11 (32:10):
I'm having a crack at year. A winter warmer, beautiful
one pot dinner, Moroccan spiced lamb shanks and lentils. I
nearly took the and lentils out of the title Jack
because some people have just got a thing about lentils.
But I have come around to them in a big way.
I just love them.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
I think they're delicious. How did you have a thing
about lentils? It's such a good way to add richness
and five richness.

Speaker 11 (32:33):
Fiber and protein, and people find them a little bit
earthy in the taste. Right, This is a great dish
to give them a crack because I've got loads of
spices in here, and you know, spices are also the
way to a really fantastic dinner jack without spending a
fortune spices, and I'm talking dried spices here. I'm not
talking about spending lots of money on the fresh versions

(32:55):
of any of this. We've got coriander, We've got smoked paprika,
which you could lose if you wanted to your neat
if you haven't got all of these cumin, We've got
ginger in here. We've got cinnamon. Most of us have
got those in our cupboard. And that just makes this
dish absolutely before. All we're doing is we're heating oil
in a big oven proof pottle pan like a casserole

(33:16):
dish something like that. Fry some onions off until they're
a little bit soft, and I've used sort of large
onion or two smaller ones here, sliced kind of thinly,
and then add in the spices. And I've got a
little quote here, and I wish they were my words,
they're not. They're the words of Sara jampol, and she's
right of a bon appetite, and she says, raw spices
are like shy friends. It takes a little effort to

(33:39):
draw them out of their shell to see their true colors.
Toasting your spices in a dry heat is a good start,
a friendly wave, if you will. But frying those spices
in oil is the ultimate icebreaker, and that is very
true for these, So pop those in your pot and
you'll just it gets rid of that sort of dusty flavor.
Add a couple of lamb shanks and there this ricebee

(34:00):
seruves too. So two lambshanks. You could use shoulder chops
if you like for this, and a little bit cheaper again.
One carrot, decent sort of sized carrot, just chopped up
roughly in there, and a little piece of lemon peel
as well. Jack and I do that in lieu of
preserved lemon, which is a wonderful Moroccan flavor, great ingredient
that gets used. It's very complex flavor. But you can

(34:22):
just use a sort of i don't know, like a
half a thumb sized piece of lemon peel. Chuck it
all in there, give it all a bit of a
stir and then add in enough water to just about
sort of cover the shanks, add in a bit of
salt and pepper. Bring it all up to a silver
just to give it a bit of a nudge on
the stovetop, and then heat and then cook it in
your oven at one hundred and eighty warms the house

(34:43):
all that sort of thing. It does need a nice
tight lid on it for about an hour. Ye after
an hour, give it another stir and add in large
orange kumra. You could use pumpkin. You could use potato
in there, just you know, nice big chunks of that,
and also half a can of drained lentils. They can
be pea ones which is pu y, or just regular

(35:04):
brown lentils, green lentes, whatever work for you. Pop those
and cover it again and cook for another sort of
another hour, maybe an hour and a half. So it's
a long slow coop, but you want that lamb absolutely
falling away from the bone. If you're using shoulder chops,
probably slightly less time than if you using the shanks.
I served them up with some fresh corianne sort of

(35:24):
tossed over it, lovely salad or some crusty bread to
soak up the juices. You could use course costs if
you wanted to stay in with the Moroccan cuisine. But
it's just really warming and beautiful and you haven't had
to have loads of fresh ingredients to make this happen.
Those spices can hang around in your cupboard for a
good time. So you know all those things in the cupboard.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Wouldn't you?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, I mean, I just think kumen is like that
is the absolute stuff. I just check it in everything.
My wife's like a fan, but not as much of
a fan, and so in a very occasion they'll just
be home for dinner by myself, and I always like,
I'll just do something like fry like a single can
of chickpeas and like the most seen quantity of ground

(36:10):
cooman you can possibly imagine, a little bit of like
you know, a little bit of garlic in there, or
quite a bit of garlic in there, a little bit
of you know, maybe coconut milk or something like that,
and the way you go. And I just think Komen
is amazing.

Speaker 11 (36:25):
Olive oil squeeze. If you're not a fan of cuman,
some people find it quite a dusty quality, then I
would recommend you start with cuman seeds and tot because
they just give you the more concentrated little bits of flavor.
But yeah, no, this is a beautiful. It just saves,
you know. It's just it's just a bit of a
different style than totally sort of tomato based, you know, beautiful.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Very quickly, I was like, I was just thinking to myself,
where does the name poo you come from? It's it's French,
I think, but I just google that.

Speaker 11 (36:55):
Yeah, absolutely, so those are French.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
And it's a small distinct volcanic cone in ovne Gee
in France. So there you go. Boy is a small
extinct volcan So it's like it's like a monga phoe.
It's like Mount Eden. But there you go in Nova
and France. So there you go.

Speaker 6 (37:12):
There you go.

Speaker 11 (37:12):
Well that sounds also they're more expensive. They were always
more expensive, but they're kind of tighter and they're less mushy. Yeah,
and I think we say them plee.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I think, yeah, very good, Thank you so much. We
will catch you soon and we'll make sure that amazing
sounding recipe is up and available on the news talks
the'd be website, so you can cook along at home.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
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Speaker 3 (37:44):
We are just working on getting you whatever updates and
information we can on the grounding of the other Teddy
inter islander ferry just outside of Picton. It left picked
In at about quarter to ten last night on a
freight only journey and ran a ground a few minutes
later after a steering failure. At the moment, we understand
that everyone on board is accounted for and safe. The moment,

(38:07):
the vessel is believed to be water tight, but the
authorities are sending divers down to inspect the hull before
they decide exactly what to do. As refloating efforts continued,
I've had an interesting text from Paul saying Jack, given
it's a freight only journey, I'm an ex utter Teddy
crew member. It's worth noting she might have a full

(38:27):
load of trucks on the top deck, including livestock, and
there could also be rail wagons on the bottom rail deck,
as well as tons of fuel and water ballast. This
will make the ship very heavy and extremely difficult to shift.
So if indeed that's the case, that's going to be
really tricky. Thank you for that message, Paul, get tomorrow
your feedback after ten o'clock this morning and of course
our feature interview right after the ten o'clock news. Key

(38:48):
we rugby league legend Mark shark O'graham is going to
be with us. He's one of the great characters of
the sport. So can't wait for that. News is next
though it's almost ten. This is Newstork zb.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
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Speaker 3 (39:35):
Mark Graham is a legend in rugby league. He's been
named New Zealand Rugby League Player of the Century and
he's the only player to have made it into both
the New Zealand and the Australian Rugby League Calls of Fame.
As a player, he was of course known for his size,
his speed, his skill, his toughness. He was a predator
and a sea of sharks.

Speaker 7 (39:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Mark's son, Luke Luke Graham is a filmmaker and Luke's
newest film is a documentary about his dad, sharko tells
the story of the man who changed rugby league and
carried his teams in country to the doorstep of greatness,
while remaining somewhat of a mystery. Have a listen.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Mark Graham's appurance of me the greatest player there's ever.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Been, Captain Mark Graham n r L Mark Graham.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Mark Graham is set to be the first New Zealander
to be adapted into the NRLs Hall of Fame.

Speaker 14 (40:31):
Rugby Lee is the toughest game in the world.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
It was a gladiator game. Mark and Luke Graham are
both with us on the show today. Thanks for joining us, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Thank you very much. Get nice to be here.

Speaker 9 (40:53):
Thank you sir.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Nice to be chatting with you. Look, we should start
with you. You have You've produced all sorts of work
over the years, but I can only imagine this is
some of your most personal Why did you tell decide
to tell your dad's story?

Speaker 9 (41:08):
Wells, it is.

Speaker 15 (41:09):
My most personal and you know, obviously when you see
your your seat, it's it was for multiple reasons. To
be honest, my father's uh, you know, he's listening in.
He's my idols. He's someone that you know, I've always
proudly looked up to and I've been so proud of
his success his career. There was another opportunity to.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
To show it.

Speaker 15 (41:34):
And to show rugby league in an era which I
think I loved more than I guess Sally today's you
know today's era.

Speaker 9 (41:41):
I love rugby league back then.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I grew up in it.

Speaker 15 (41:45):
I looked up to the players and you know, to
be honest, these were people that gave their their bodies,
their lives for something they loved but not very much money.
And filmmaker myself in a in an industry which is
very hard, I really looked up to those people and
I still do, to be honest, and it was it

(42:05):
was amazing to chat to him, and you know other
reasons it was it was a selfishly selfish reason to
get to know my family even more and get to
show this family to the world.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
So did you have any reservations, you know, for some
people taking on a really personal project like this would
be you know, of course for a bit of anxiety
or something like that. Complete complete anxiety the whole time,
even now, And I think my most anxious moment was
my first and most anxious moment was dad talking to
Dad about it. We had gone back to New Zealand

(42:39):
in twenty seventeen on an strip for his forty year
reunion for the Auckland team that beat Us Prayer, France
and England, and.

Speaker 15 (42:50):
We started talking about it Dan the first time we
did our interviews, So we did interviews for which we're
seeing the documentary. Was very nervous obviously because we talked
about personal things that we'd never talked about before.

Speaker 9 (43:02):
And lastly was.

Speaker 15 (43:05):
Showing Dad a version of the film in his house
and nervously waiting watching his interactions, you know, even when
you had the comedy parts in the film and the
very emotional parts, just seeing how you reacted to it.

Speaker 9 (43:19):
And yeah, we got through the other end and we
had a hug and it was lovely.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah. Mark, what were your reservations, because you make it
pretty clear in the film you're not someone who usually
leaps at every opportunity to talk about himself.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (43:35):
Well, as I said to Luke early on, and I
think part of the indivind I'm sure was Link's hat
that or left it in there, But I wasn't really
sure that anyone would be that keen on watching it,
to tell you the truth, So I mean, you know
the cinematic part where Lenk's involvement. But yeah, like my
my football career is dead and buried in the will.

(43:57):
I used to love the game. Yeah, I just didn't
have anyone to be that interested to tell you the truth.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah, well, I mean I think I think, dear, I
say you're wrong on that front, because you know, so
many people I think will delight in hearing your stories
reflecting on your career looking back at that kind of
golden age of rugby league. Well, what was it like
seeing your son doing the thing he's really good at

(44:22):
creating in that space Because I don't know if you've
had opportunities to see him making films before.

Speaker 16 (44:28):
Yeah, that was sort of a place I've seen lots
of you know, I've obviously seen all the stuff that
he's done, but you know, it's all very very good.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
But yeah, it's very proud man.

Speaker 16 (44:38):
And I suppose you know, like you know, you want
your children to succeed whatever, and you obviously want to
support them throughout. And you know, when Luke came to
with the idea that he wanted to do this, I
was really keen on I wanted him to do a
story as he said about the seventy seven authors side,
where we were all just turned up on a Wednesday
night and after working all day and played international sides
for three Wednesdays in a row and beat them all

(45:01):
and you know, I was just and then went back
to work the next morning. And yeah, so I thought
that was a story of but he thought it was.
This one was better, So yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
It was lovely for people.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Who preps don't appreciate how much has changed. Can you
describe to us what life was like for a rugby
league player in that era?

Speaker 16 (45:21):
Well, you know what you played on the weekend, Jillie,
You know, in the afternoon on Saturday or Sunday, and
then you went to work on Monday, Tuesday, went to
fully training on Tuesday and Thursday nights and maybe Saturday
morning if you played on Sunday, and it was just
an extra thing that you had to do with life,
you know. And most careers finished after two or three

(45:44):
years of premier football because you didn't want to get
injured because by that stage it gimly had a family
and a mortgage and you couldn't afford to be off injured.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
So yeah, it was they were very short careers nowadays.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, Luke. One of the things that I think ads
real richness to the to the film is the incredible
archival footage you've got. One thing that stood out to
me immediately was just how physical the game was. And
I know that might sound really obvious, but I mean
rugby league has always been physical, but my god, it

(46:16):
was like there was no there were never any penalties
for head highs, you know, just common assault was perfectly reasonable.
People are being concustly right and seen to. It was
another age.

Speaker 15 (46:28):
It certainly was, and I think we hear from multiple
people on both sides of the Tasman saying comfortably the
strategy was to take out the best opposing players and
you had to take them out any way possible so
that you had a chance of victory. It's a lot
safer now, and obviously it works so much better for

(46:50):
taking care of humans, but it's it was I think
we we we certainly enjoyed as an audience myself, the
richness and the physicalness of that error and put it
in your body and everything on.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
The life being there, I ask Mark, how's your body today?

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Good, thank you? Yeah, find Jack he's still trained a bit.

Speaker 16 (47:14):
I I My wife's a wonderful cooking and nutritionist also,
and so you know, I eat all the right foods
and look after myself.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I play a bit of golf.

Speaker 16 (47:25):
You know, I'm old now should I'm sixty nine and
September in the September, so I most probably should have
a few bumps and bruises, which I do. I've had
a neck operation, I've had a shoulder reversal, and they
wanted to give me a new knee a couple of
years ago, but it just changed my diet completely, so
it's really helped. So I don't need the need.

Speaker 17 (47:45):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
So here, Yeah, just by changing your diet, you haven't
needed to have that operation.

Speaker 16 (47:51):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, just cut out all the all
the stuff that makes your body inflammatory and yeah it's working.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Well.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Oh that's fantastic. And how do you feel looking back
at you know that that footage. I'm not sure how
much you've had an opportunity to see, but looking at
the physicality of those games back then and looking at
you as a young man taking those kind of blows, Yeah, I.

Speaker 16 (48:11):
Actually haven't seen that's well, I've seen some parts of it,
but yeah, it's just how it was. And it wasn't
just me, it was everybody, that's the thing. And it
was and before that, stay in the in the seventies,
it was even harder. So as the as the the
decades went by, it's scotten, say, a lot less brutal, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Although in still a brutal game. So it was. It was.

Speaker 16 (48:41):
It was different, very different in those days. And it
was a different sort of person. It was a different
state of mind. And you know, we weren't so much athletes,
I suppose, as they are today. You know, we you
have strength and conditioning coaches, you have you know, nutritionalists,
you have people we actually helped the well being and
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It was just if you were tough enough, you didn't survive.
That was how it was.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, jeez, hey, look what did you feel like you
learned about about your dad or your or your family
throughout this process?

Speaker 15 (49:13):
Well, it was selfishly, I think I was trying to
learn about myself, my family and even life in that
era as well.

Speaker 9 (49:20):
You know, I'm a I'm a new father myself currently.
I actually have two kids.

Speaker 15 (49:25):
The film takes a little bit to make, and over
that period, I didn't make the cut of the film
sadly Thomas, so my apologies, but it was I was
really looking back in and it was a reflection of
different times for who we are humans over these as

(49:45):
Brains and New Zealanders. We really are brothers, you know,
brothers and brothers and sisters and as compared to the world.
And it was looking about that intergenerational parenthood and parents
and their and their children. I do obviously say fathers,
it's fathers and sons, but it is it can really
be interchange between mother's and their daughters.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Et cetera.

Speaker 15 (50:08):
It was looking at the person that you know and
the person that I believe is my father's idol, his father,
and my father who is my idol, and and hopefully
for my son as well. And to be honest, I
learned a lots about how close we really are as
a family.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
One other theme really stuck out to me, and that
was the role that class played and still plays to
a certain degree in rugby league. Was that something you
really tried to to get across and it really, you know,
in your dad's here in particular, it was a real
working class sport.

Speaker 15 (50:47):
Well, yeah, and you'd probably say it certainly has changed
in New Zealand recently very recently as well. So it's
it's different. But and and I guess I'm coming as
I was. I was born in Oda Hu Hu. I
didn't too long there. Dad got your dad went over
to Brisbane as you to find out in this sory
and played in the Brisbane Rugby League. And and I

(51:09):
stayed in Sydney, grew up in Sydney. But it was
I was looking at that difference between rugby union and
rugby league and and someone who from that era chooses
certainly is a new Zealander all in my opinion. Obviously,
you choose rugby league in that era, you know, you're

(51:29):
choosing a road which you know isn't lined with gold
and taking you to the you know, in the other
brick road to once in a sense, and that kind
of speaks more for it speaks for Dad, but more
for people you.

Speaker 9 (51:43):
Know that are from the rugby league community.

Speaker 15 (51:46):
What they're a family, they're in it together and and
they and they're choosing that path because they want to
challenge themselves. And that's something we probably don't see a
lot in the in this time and where we are
now as people that are actively choosing paths to challenge
themselves to be better and learn more in.

Speaker 9 (52:05):
Life, and that's something we can look up to.

Speaker 15 (52:09):
And it's really just something I really wanted to highlight
because it's so important to me.

Speaker 9 (52:14):
Has been the best you can?

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Yeah, Mark, I'm thirty seven years old and I cannot
remember a time in my life when rugby league has
had such prominence and such an energy in New Zealand.
It really feels like rugby league, for whatever reason, is
in a moment at the moment. Is that something that
you are conscious of?

Speaker 16 (52:37):
Yeah, Well, I'm a Worries supporter and fan, and yeah,
I marveled some of the stories here coming out of
speaking to my great friend Graham the other day and
he was we're talking about this very subject. And although
I haven't seen it that place, I can I certainly
read about you know, the Celle out stadiums at the

(52:57):
Warrior's home ground. Yeah, and Rugby Union maybe being a
little on the back foot.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Of the moment.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, what do you think of that? What do you
think of the you know, especially the Senate see of
the Warriors at the moment and they're kind of the
energy behind the team.

Speaker 16 (53:11):
Well, yeah, I think it's fantastic. I think even one
of the Worriors is doing a wonderful job obviously, And
a couple of weeks ago when they head I think,
you know, nine or ten first graders out and they
brought young follows up and they still won the game
against really good opposition. I think this is a lot
about about the state of the club and the game
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah, no, it really does. Hey guys, congratulations on the film.
I really hope you can, you know, enjoy the process
of having it out there for the world to watch
and enjoy. And thank you so much for giving us
your time pleasure.

Speaker 9 (53:45):
Thank you, Jack, thank you very much, appreciate.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
It so good. That is Mark and Luke Graham. Sharco
is going to be playing at the dock Edge Festival,
so it's in christ Church right now. It's going to
be in Auckland from the third to the fourteenth of
July and Wellington of that same period the third to
the fourteenth of July. And then of course dock Age
does that amazing thing where they have nationwide the virtual

(54:08):
cinema as well, so that's in the second half of July.
And Sharko is also going to be released in cinemas
right across the country in September. Here's the thing, though,
we'll put all of the details up on the news talks.
He'd be website news talks. He'db dot co dot nz
forward slash Jack is the best place to go. We
will have all the details there so you can make
sure you can go and enjoy Sharco as well. Right now,

(54:29):
it is twenty two minutes past ten, Jack team, if
you are just joining us this morning. The news out
of the Marlboros Sounds is that the Utta Teddy and
Drylander ferry is still grounded. It was grounded just before
ten o'clock last night after leaving Picton with a freight
load so trucks. We believe there might be some rail

(54:51):
carriages on there as well, but no passengers as such.
I think there are nine truck drivers and the rest
of the people on board are all crew. The authorities
went out and had a look at the vessel at
high tide this morning, which was just after nine o'clock.
They decided that they I wouldn't proceed at that stage
with refloating efforts. Instead, they wanted to get divers to
go down and have a little bit of a look.

(55:12):
In the last couple of minutes, they've released a statement
through to our newsroom and this comes from the Inter
Islander Executive General Manager Duncan Roy. The refloating of Artiteta
has been delayed until this evening's high tied at around
nine pm to allow more time to prepare the ship
and make use of a higher tide. Obviously, if there's
any more information that comes through on that, I will

(55:34):
let you know. In the meantime, if you want to
get in touch, our text number is ninety two ninety two.
You can email me as well if you like Jacket
Newstaloks headb dot co dot Nz. Before eleven o'clock, big
changes are coming to Starlink. If you're one of those
people who has enjoyed Elon Musk's Starlink in the way
that it's able to give you Internet almost anywhere on
the planet, it's going to get a whole lot easier.

(55:55):
This is going to be really really good news if
you like to go around the country in a motor
home or a caravan something like that. Really big changes
there that are going to make life a whole lot
easier for people using Starlinks. I'm going to tell you
about that very soon. Next up your TV shows to
watch your stream this weekend at our screen time picks.
It's twenty three minutes past tenure with Jack Tame and

(56:16):
this is news talks edb.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam.

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Speaker 3 (56:27):
Thank you for your messages. We've had heaps of texts
come through. Glad you enjoyed that interview. Jack, What a
beautiful conversation. These two Mark and Luke are humble genius legends,
says David.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I can't understand why Mark Graham wasn't knighted. As far
as I'm concerned, he's the greatest we've ever had.

Speaker 7 (56:45):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Fantastic interview with the Grahames. What an absolute legend of
New Zealand rugby league. The Goat, says Jared. The Goat
the greatest of all time, you know, Jack, says Clayton.
My adoration of rugby league has waned a bit over
the years, but the height of my love for the
game was back in the days of Mark Graham. I
absolutely loved everything about league you know, thinking back to

(57:05):
the days Graham, Lewis, Langer, Meninger, I reckon that was
the absolute highlight of the sport. Thank you, Clayton ninety two,
ninety two. If you want to flick us a message
this morning, it is screen time time. Our screen time
expert Tara Ward is here with her shows to recommend
this morning. Hey Tara, good morning. Let's kick off this
morning with a show streaming on Apple TV Plus starring

(57:27):
Jake jillen Hall. Tell us about Presumed Innocent.

Speaker 18 (57:31):
Yeah, this is a crime drama that's made by David E.
Kelly and as you say, stars Jake Jillen Hall, and
it's a remake of the movie of the same name
that starred Harrison Ford back in the nineties. And Jake
Gillenhall plays a county prosecutor. He's a hot shot lawyer,
he's a family man, and then he's accused of the
murder of one of his colleagues, who it turns out

(57:52):
he was also having an affair with. And the question
here is is he being set up by his enemies
or is he actually guilty? And has he framed another
man for a similar crime from years ago? And Jake
Gillenhall's character has to prove his innocent and we have
to decide whether we believe him or not. There's a
really good cast and this Peto sALS Guard stars and
this as well. It's very glossy and polished, which you know,

(58:14):
we've come to expect with the Apple TV Plus shows.
It is quite a slow burn. There's eight episodes here,
which I think maybe might be just a little bit
too long, might have been a bit tighter as a movie.
But you know, it's doing what a lot of TV
shows are doing at the moment. It's it's fine. It's
good TV. It looks great, it ticks all the boxes,
but it's not particularly memorable or exciting. It's sort of

(58:37):
sticking to that tried and true courtroom drama kind of series,
you know, but still a good, solid watch.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Nice, Okay, So that's Presumed Innocent. On Apple TV Plus,
tell us about Elsbeth.

Speaker 18 (58:48):
And this is a new American drama that's coming to
TVNZ one and TVNZ plus this week. It's another crime drama,
but quite different in tone. This is quite light and colorful.
It's about a woman named Elsbeth, who was originally a
character on two very successful shows called The Good Wife
and The Good Fight, both legal dramas, and she was
sort of a fan favorite, and now they've given her

(59:11):
her own spinoff series. And Elsabeth is this quirky, cooky,
unconventional kind of lawyer with a razor sharp mind. She
works in police surveillance, so she turns up to crime
scenes to make sure that the police are following the rules.
And she's supposed to be an impartial observer, but she
can't help herself from putting her two cents and solving

(59:32):
the crimes. And every episode of this series is a
different crime, so it's one of those murder of the
week kind of shows. Everything is tied up nice and
neatly after an hour, and it's a murder mystery that
leans more onto the comedic side of things rather than
a drama. So you don't need to have seen The
Good Fight or The Good Wife for this to make sense.
And I think if you like shows like My Life

(59:53):
Is Murder or Monk, then this is in that same
kind of style. You know, it's light, easy to watch, warm,
and add a bit of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Cool, okay, and on prime video The Outlaws.

Speaker 18 (01:00:04):
Yeah, third season of the Speed series has just dropped
on Prime and this is a great British comedy series
that I think has flown under the radar a bit here.
It's created by and stars Stephen Merchant, and it's about
seven strangers from very different backgrounds who end up on
the same community service team in Bristol. So the very
different people brought together to do some community work to

(01:00:26):
pay for their low level crimes. And they are tiding
up a local hall where they discover a bag full
of cash and the ceiling and find themselves tangled up
in this drug deal that's going on. They have to
decide as a group whether they'll go straight and live
honest lives or whether they'll use that money to their
advantage to kind of kick start the lives that they've

(01:00:46):
always wanted. This comes with such a great cast as
well as Stephen Merchant, there's Christopher Walkendle, Tomlinson, Jessica Gunning,
Jessica Gunning sorry from Baby Reindeer. And it kind of
bounces between being a comedy and a thriller, but it's
got a lot of heart as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Yeah cool, Okay, that sounds great too, So that's the Outlaws.
I love Stephen Merchant it's just so he's fantastic, isn't he.
I always felt like he was kind of the underrated
genius behind your vas, don't you think.

Speaker 18 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I think you might be right, and he's sort
of gone on to do lots of other things. Yeah,
this is just so great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah yeah. I used to way back in the day
when they first started working together. I used to listen
to their podcast and I always felt Stephen Mentionin is
so wetty, like he's he's funny in a way that
you know, like dere I say, no one outside of
Britain could ever be in Britain particular web. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
so that's very much a better meat. That's the Outlaws.

(01:01:38):
It's on Prime Video Presumed Innocent, the one with Jake
Gyllenhall is on Apple TV Plus, and Elsbeth is on
TV and z Plus. It has just gone ten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Thirty, Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on News Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
And I've fun please.

Speaker 17 (01:02:05):
Be on stuff.

Speaker 19 (01:02:06):
Oh we beat her for thought you'd hand me, but
instead you called saidah mass you.

Speaker 10 (01:02:19):
Good to each other.

Speaker 17 (01:02:20):
Gave it summer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
This is Gracie Abrams. She's twenty four years old, doing
pretty well for herself. So she grew up singing kind
of quietly in her bedroom, you know, so no one
would hear, and then from that developed a signature, whispery
kind of singing style. Now she has written some pretty
candid songs about love and heartbreak and security, and she's

(01:02:45):
done well out of it. She landed a Grammy nomination
for Best New Artist and a place as the opening
act on Taylor Swift's humongous Eras Too. I think the
real question is which modern musician didn't grow up making
music in their bedroom quietly. It started off as a
kind of remarkable thing. Now it's in danger for coming
a bit of a cliche. Anyway, She's obviously got an
amazing voice, and abrams second album has just been released.

(01:03:09):
We're going to play you that album after eleven o'clock
this morning. I have a little bit more of a
listen if you're just turning on the radio. We've been
following the situation in the Marlboro Sounds, the Outer Teddy
Faery the Endo Islander ran aground last night. Authorities have
delayed their efforts to refloat the faery for now. It
was high tied just after nine o'clock this morning, but
they decided that they wanted to send out some divers

(01:03:31):
inspect the hull and then have another go this evening.
As it happens, my auntie Auntie bab Tame, lives in Waikawa,
which is about as close as you could get to
the grounding. So as soon as I saw the news
this morning, I sent her a message and she says, oh,
don't you worry about me. I'm heading out there as
we speak. I've packed my thermos, I've got my bike
going up to a go advantage point so i can

(01:03:51):
look at the refloating efforts. Anyway, she's seen me a
photo this morning. It is if you haven't seen the
images of the outer of Teddy, it is pretty amazing
seeing an utrore islander. I mean it almost looks like
it's kind of pulled up and parked but knows first
into the side of the Marlborough Sounds. It really does
look kind of peculiar and strange, and it's beautiful, obviously

(01:04:12):
one of the most beautiful parts of the country, but
there's a bit of low hanging cloud there this morning.
The whole sounds have a kind of you know a
beautiful stillness this morning, so it is quite beautiful obviously
extremely concerning as well. If we have any updates on
the refloating efforts, we're going to make sure we share
those with you just as soon as they come through
to the newsroom. And look, thank you so much for

(01:04:33):
the Auntie Barb love. You have made me feel a
little bit envious this morning after our interview with her. Jack,
any chance that Auntie Barb might be able to do
the rest of the shows is Gareth, who knows? Maybe
she could even just take over on Saturday mornings. Why
not Life from Waykara every Saturday. I'm going to send
her these messages. He'll be absolutely loving it. If you
want to get in touch, ninety two. Ninety two is
our text number. The Big Change is coming to Starlink next.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, some Mike asking.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Breakfast Finance Minister Nicola Willis, is will us what.

Speaker 20 (01:05:03):
We are seeing in our forecast? This is what there
is is banks if they were engineering, if they wanted
to see the slowdown, well, this is a slowdown and
what we want to see is productive growth coming back
into the economy.

Speaker 12 (01:05:16):
What You've just outlined a big picture of things.

Speaker 21 (01:05:18):
You're asking New Zealander is to endure a very long
period of very difficult times.

Speaker 20 (01:05:24):
I'm also delivering things this year. I think it is
really important that text reduction is coming at the end
of July. That is sunlight and what would otherwise be
a very challenging winter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Back Monday from six am, the Mike asking Breakfast with
Jaguar Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Jack, good morning, the situation and picked in as well,
under control, don't worry the RNZAF for flying down a
recovery team in the seven five to seven, very droll,
twenty to eleven on News Talks, he'd be Starlink is
going many Texpert is Paul Stenhouse. He has all the
details on the service that gives Internet to people who

(01:06:02):
might not otherwise have it. What's happening, Paul.

Speaker 14 (01:06:05):
Yeah, it's about to go to places where Internet has
never been possible. This is actually I know it's easy
to hate on Elon Musk and he says that this
product will change the world, and it all sounds a
bit cliche, but wow, he actually kind of has a
point here, Jack.

Speaker 17 (01:06:21):
This is cool.

Speaker 14 (01:06:22):
This is a pretty big technology breakthrough. So Starlink at
the moment, just to set the scene, is it's a
satellite dish that kind of looks like a I don't know,
like a couple of laptops kind of put together. And
then it's got a wireless base station somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Yeh.

Speaker 14 (01:06:38):
This Starlin Mini is basically the size of a MacBook,
basically the size of the biggest iPad, and that is it.
It's an all in one device. You can point it
at the sky and get Internet. Now why will it
take you to places and give Internet in places you
may not have been able to get it before. This
can be powered using basically a portable power pack.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Wow, so the thing you.

Speaker 14 (01:07:04):
Use to charge your phone in base a slightly more
souped up version, but that can basically power your Starlink device.
You can get Internet wherever you are, and it delivers
one hundred megabytes per second.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Which just phenomenal one hundred megas of a second as well.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:07:23):
Yeah, So that's like we're talking here about like some
pretty cool technology that you think about where this could
actually be deployed now right, like this could be this
I mean the way that they're kind of putting it
is you know, if you have a starlink already, you
can now get an additional mini and take it on
the go with you. Yeah, but you actually could think
of the people who have camp evans.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Yeah right, I think of.

Speaker 14 (01:07:46):
You know, like you've got maybe you've got your starlink.
You I think a few years down the line and
you've got a starlink at home or whatever, and then
you just take your starlink Mini with you and you
could be camping, you could be wherever.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Yeah, and there you are.

Speaker 14 (01:07:58):
You've got Internet with you at blisteringly fast speeds. Should
point out at the moment, only available in the USA
as an add on, it is a available as a
standalone thing in parts of Central and South America, and
I'm going to be rolling it up to more countries soon,
So keep an eye out for the Starlin Committee.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
It's funny I saw like a hot take once on
Twitter or x that suggested for all of el Yeah, yeah, yeah,
all of his various projects, be at SpaceX, be it Tesla,
be it Twitter X, be at the hyper loop, everything,
for all of the stuff that he's involved with, that

(01:08:35):
this would end up being the thing that actually had
the biggest impact by kind of not necessarily democratizing information,
but by giving lots of people who would not otherwise
have access to the Internet. Internet, he could you know,
change the world in quite profound ways, which is very interesting.

Speaker 14 (01:08:50):
Think about this in emergency situations.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:08:53):
You just need you don't need power the grid goes down,
and say, you can still get folks connected, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
I mean the war marketing is one I think of. Yeah,
and our soldiers in the battlefield have been using you know,
his his Starlin so that they can work out where
the enemy is and guide their various attacks and things, which.

Speaker 14 (01:09:10):
Is quite It makes it a bit like a video game.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Does, worryingly. So yeah, hey, thank you so much, Paul.
That is really really interesting to be intriguing to follow that.
Thank you for your messages as well. Very helpful suggestion here, Jack,
perhaps we could lever the odd teddy off the rocks
with that power pylon. Yes, it does feel like a
few things have broken down recently, doesn't it? In New
Zealand right now it is sixteen to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.
Then with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and bepwart on co dot
nz for high quality supplements use talks eNB.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
It is fourteen minutes to eleven on news Talk ZEDB.
Today is the twenty second of June. That means we're
through the winter solstice. It means there are only a
few days left before we hit the cutoff for the
government contribution to key we save. A Personal finance expert
Lisa Dudson from Acumen is with us this morning. Hey Lisa,
good morning Jack. It's so good to be talking. So

(01:10:03):
talk us through what we need to have sorted in
order to get the maximum government contribution.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
By the thirtieth of June, which is where the can
you say, the year ends, You must have contributed one
thousand and forty two during that previous twelve months for
the government to pop five hundred and twenty one dollars
into your pv save account.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
And why is this so important?

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Well, it's because it ends up you know, I mean,
you know, five hundred and twenty one dollars is essentially
free money, right as long as you contribute to the
thousand important two per year. And it may not seem
like a lot, but when you start adding that into
a time factor, that adds up to quite amount of
money over the long term if you're in your twenties, right,

(01:10:47):
and you don't want to be in a situation where
you're not maximizing every dollar that you can get.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's the classic compound interesting, right,
But it's funny if you think about investments, like, there
is no investment on earth that is guaranteed to give
you a fifty percent return as safely as this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Right, absolutely, you know, and it's free money. And the
thing I always they love about Qui Saper is a
compulsory kind of locks and nature of it, which you know,
you know, adds a lot of value when you think
about the long term and when you get to know
the sixty five age where you can get those funds
that accumulated over time. And Albert Einstein talked about it

(01:11:25):
compounding interesting and aped wonder of the world. You know,
so money does significantly grow over time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yeah, it's surprising to me that anyone would miss this.
But do people miss it a new experience?

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:11:37):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
And I think, you know, sometimes it's a case of
people not really understanding it might be then going oh,
what it's from me? Five hundred and twenty one dollars,
whereas I go, I understand the power of that over time,
and you know, sometimes as they just you know, it's
they forget about. That's the other big thing, because I
do you come across people that kind of what they
do is there. They may be self employed, so they

(01:11:58):
put the money in. They have to contribute themselves rather
than through you've been an employee, and they might go,
oh well, I'll just put the lump sum in these year,
whereas my experiences is you better to do that on
a monthly basis because then you know for sure that
you know, you put enough money in to get that
free government contribution.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah yeah, right. So Lance's flicked se message this morning
to say, if I deposit one thousand and forty two
into my kids key, we save it. Do they get
the government contribution even if they're not working.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
No, unless they're over eighteen, which they're not really a
kid by then, so you only get that become eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
But if you're not working and you are over the
age of eighteen and you and you contribute that minimum,
you do get the government contribution, right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and to give in again and
if people dest it's an a lot of money. But
if I don't talking about my CUBSA because I'm self deployed,
I've only ever put the minimum in. So that's two
thousand and seven as an example. You know, am start
king Saver. Like the first month that it was that
was started. You know, I've got like seventy five thousand

(01:13:02):
dollars for in my cubsabor.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
You know, and that's by putting one thousand and forty
two per getting the gun from contribution albeit the first
crying up top you head about five or so five
seven years, you've got to set the day next to
dollars a dollar to twenty and forty two, whereas now
it's obviously they paid fifty cents on the dollar.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Yeah, So that's that's an important point. So I'll tell
you what I do. I have my superannuation thing, and
my work has a scheme. They always had a scheme
that was set up kind of independently the key we saver.
So what I do is I do the work scheme,
but then in addition to that, I do the one
thousand and forty two dollars Because like I said, I'm
always just like our fifty percent return, thank you very much.

(01:13:43):
Plus whatever game you get. Yeah, so it just seems
like an absolute no brainer. But one of those things
you do have to get sordered right now.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
Yeah, yes, that's fine. And you know, it's like a
lot of things in life. You know, We've got a
great long list of things we need to kind of
do in our in our world, right, we just need
to make it important enough that we remember to actually
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's great advice. Thank you so much. Lisa.
That is Lisa Dudson. You can find her, of course
at akimen dot co dot MZ. It is nine minutes
to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Gardening with still Shop free accessories this winter at still Shop.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Climb passes our man in the garden, Hey rude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Hey Jack, not so much in the garden.

Speaker 22 (01:14:21):
I'm in the forest.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Ah, that sounds pretty good. That's where you like to be, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
That's exactly what my place is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
That's right.

Speaker 22 (01:14:28):
Hey, did you by any chance notice a couple of
weeks ago that the New Zealand Arbory Cultural Association did
a Tree of the Year competition and it was won
by a Northern rata in Carimea ye on the other
side of your parents.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Have you seen the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
I've seen the picture. It is just absolutely gorgeous. I
mean that whole coastline. I mean, I've just I'm a
completely complete pathetic softy for that part of the part
of the world, the sort of northwest of the South Island.
But it is that. The photo is gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Isn't it beautiful? Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:15:02):
So I think Libby's got it on the website, so people,
if you haven't seen it, you can ever look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
But now we should say that there's something that really
distinguishes that the tree in the photograph isn't there.

Speaker 22 (01:15:13):
It is because it has kind of looks like two
trunks and they are ordered in such a way that
it looks as if the tree is walking in high heels,
no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Yeah, I mean that's a really good description. It does
look like that. Yeah, it does look like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
So there you go.

Speaker 22 (01:15:29):
So, first of all, a little story about this rata.
This is the Northern rata that occurs in the north
of the or in the Northern Island and the north
of the South Island. It's well, actually, by the way,
it's one of those trees that can be come up
to one thousand years old. It's huge and tall as
so it's a fabulous thing. But it's a myrtle, so

(01:15:50):
it belongs to the group of Paul Takawa. It belongs
to the climbing ratas and the bikes Rata and all
that sort of stuff. But this particular northern Rata is
quite an amazing tree because it is kind of like
an epiphyte, which means it lives or starts life living
on other trees, which I think is pretty cool. So yeah,

(01:16:11):
that's how that works. And then what happens is when
when it starts to germinate somewhere from a leaf or
a branch or whatever from another it's from a host tree,
it sends down roots down that literally a number of
roots downwards to the ground, and it sends the leaves
up the canopy of the of the host tree as well.

(01:16:32):
And then of course finally at the end the roots
trees of this rather get into the soil and finally
can feed off the soil the nitrogen, the posphates and
all that sort of stuff, and then they start really growing.
It's absolutely wonderful. Now one of those roots becomes dorminant,
dormant dominant, sorry not dormant dominant, and that is the

(01:16:55):
one that actually makes that tree really start to put
the passon to grow up and become old. Now what
happened here is we've actually had to go with a
couple of guys like Bread and Stephen King, old sort
of old mates of arboris to see how this thing
actually became a walking tree, what it came from, how

(01:17:15):
did how did that work? And they have a feeling
that this one basically got on a lean and needed to,
if you like, redress itself with another trunk to have
its own balance back. I think that it's such a
clever trick. So this this tree looked after its own self.

(01:17:37):
And the cool thing is, if you look very carefully
on the bottom of the left leg, you'll see another
green tree taking root, and that, believe it or not,
is a podokawa uses that rata to grow up.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Isn't it this so clever? Yeah? Okay, So we're going
to make sure this photo is up at news so
everyone can see exactly what we're talking about. It's utterly gorgeous.
Believe that they can live for like maybe a thousand
years a northern rata.

Speaker 22 (01:18:04):
There you are, yes, and don't forget I put it.
I've put a couple of wonderful, wonderful email addresses there
already call it websites on it if you're interested in
the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
It's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Thank you so much, rud. We will catch you again
very soon. Road climb past in the garden. It's almost
eleven o'clock. News is next on Newstalks dB.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through
the weekend with depure dot cot once it for high
quality supplements used talks by News.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Heala, good morning, welcome to news talks it b you
would Jack time through the twelve o'clock. The bad news
is that I've upset Sue this morning. I've upset Sue.
Why well? The Super Rugby finals on and despite having
lived for quite a long time in the nine, quite
a long time in Auckland, there is no New Zealand
Super Rugby team that I want to see win Super

(01:19:19):
Rugby less than the Blues. It took me a while
to get there. I think it's just a this is
just part of being a Crusaders fan. I think as
part of growing up in Canterbury. You just Canterbury and
Auckland were always the kind of arch nemeses, and so
therefore it's kind of for whatever reason ingrained in me,
I want to see the Blues lose tonight. I want

(01:19:40):
to see the Chiefs get up at Eden Park. Anyway,
Sue's not happy, she says, Jack, you chose to live here,
the Blues should be your second team. We might have
to revoke your Auckland visa. Sorry, Sue. The game, of course,
kicks off just after seven this evening. At the moment,
the Blues are the Brookies' favorites, but we're going to
catch up with Jason Pine very shortly get his thoughts
on that clash, as well as the Warriors, who are

(01:20:02):
playing at five this evening. So once again, fantastic weekend
is man, This is just it's such a good time
of ye for sports fans. Get up at one o'clock
in the morning, watch three European football games, catch up
on some of the Copper America highlights. Maybe then you've
got the Super Rugby Final on the NRL as well.
The Netball SUPERB right now is eight minutes past eleven.

(01:20:23):
Jack team and time to catch up with our sustainability expert,
Kate Hall aka Ethically.

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
Kate, Hey k good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
What okay, So this morning we're talking about how to
set up an efficient waste system in your home and
I had to pause for a moment and get out
my hand and count on my fingers how many different
bins we have at our place? So what would you say?
Off the top of your head? Do you know how
many bins you've got at your place?

Speaker 17 (01:20:51):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
Yep, And by this I mean like a rubbish bin,
you know, like a food scrape spent different receptacles. Yeah, exactly.
So how many? How many have you got?

Speaker 13 (01:21:01):
Five?

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
I've got four?

Speaker 5 (01:21:05):
Four?

Speaker 13 (01:21:05):
Oh okay, so I want to know what your four are?

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yeah, okay, so my four, I've got your rubbish bin,
recycling bin. Yep, food scraps and soft plastics. Okay, what
am I missing?

Speaker 13 (01:21:19):
Nice?

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:21:21):
So, actually, now I think about that, I probably have about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Eight one bin off. K that's pretty decent.

Speaker 13 (01:21:32):
But okay, well I didn't do my counting right Yeah,
So okay, so what do you say? So the ones
you said?

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yep?

Speaker 13 (01:21:38):
Great, so waste to landfill. Also, I don't know if
you've been lined but mine isn't because if you hear
about all the different other bins that I put stuff,
you don't need a bin liner because it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Okay, and one of.

Speaker 13 (01:21:55):
We can work on that. Hey, it's good. This is
room for improvement. That's that's always true.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
It's true.

Speaker 13 (01:22:00):
Yeah, So yeah, rubbish bin recycling, and we know that
we can only put an number one, two and five.
So that's your curb side recycling, right, So we have
different bins that we take to our local recycling center
because curb side only takes a certain amount of things.

(01:22:20):
But that doesn't mean that there's other things we probably
have in your life that you could take from your
waist bin and actually take them to a local recycling center.
So that's so that's that's so we've got waste recycling
compost as we know, soft flassics, we have soft plast
six are getting clean and dry. And we now bend

(01:22:41):
that we take to the recycling center has all the lids.
So you can't put any lids into your curb side,
not even ice from plink container lid Nope, not a
no wine lids, no, you know, the lid on your
orange juice not.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Contain lid. No, you can't know, like it's mainly just
stuff you can't put in their A.

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
Yes, well, we have to think about the infrastructure that
I know. It is sad because we do. We have
like hundreds of different materials and obviously we can only
recycle certain certain ones and New Zealand but you can't
have so let's because of ice cream container lid. Unfortunately,
the technology that the sorting recycling machines often recognize that

(01:23:29):
as paper and then it gets put into a you know,
the paper recycling and that contaminates a paper waste stream.
So that's why lids have been taken out because they
cause all sorts of issues with our sorting machinery. But
your local recycling center very likely all take them. So
we have a container for our lids. So there's a

(01:23:50):
you know, particular yogurt that Tim loves, and there's this
medium sized black lids, so we have a lot of
those there take them, So we did that. Yester actually
went to our local recycling center. They often collect soft
pastics too, so you can kind of take it all
at once.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Wh soft plastics, Yes, come on, are they are they
going anywhere? That isn't a landsill.

Speaker 13 (01:24:13):
Well, I actually boycotted having a soft pestic I've only
recently got a surf plastic recycling then at our house
because I realized that actually, you know, we talk about
recycling way too much. Then it deserves credit for because
we need to reduce it from the get go. So
I noticed that when I knew I had a selt recycling,
you know, been at home, and yeah, it could be recycled,

(01:24:35):
and yes, future posts take them, turning them into fence
posts and use for different you know, veggie planted beds
and stuff like that. But we need to reduce it
from the get go because we just have too much,
you know. So I noticed in my habits that I
would be at the supermarket and I would buy more
things than soft plastics. When I had a soft plastics bin,

(01:24:56):
you know, it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Was like to get it or something.

Speaker 13 (01:25:00):
Eh, yeah, exactly. And so when I didn't collect my
soft plastics, I would actually reduce my way. So sure
then there'll be more suspects that's going to landfill, but
reduction is key. So I kind of change my view
on that recently, but yeah, we'll see how it goes.
But my other interesting bins are one for clothing that

(01:25:21):
just cannot be reused or reworn, or I kind of
store that app and they use it to stuff cushions
or footstool.

Speaker 7 (01:25:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:25:31):
I made my parents a footstool actually stuff with actually
a lot of the clothes from my late grandmother's wardrobe
and meaningful so that they often, Yeah, I can I
kind of, yeah, keep a little pile growing, and then
I'll go and stuff and kind of repump up their footstool.
So that helps. Batteries. There's been three fun I do

(01:25:55):
just a little it's a little recceiplcal and it takes
long to stuck up because we by tradules from Pale
Blue now, so we can plug those in and charge
them just with a cro usp.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
I always just take mine up to Bunnings, you know,
because they've got the having a little ben's a good idea.

Speaker 13 (01:26:14):
Yeah, yes, yeah, just have a little spot. But there
have been three rubbish truck fires in our local area
recently because people put batteries in their rubbish bin. Yeah,
so it's really a huge hazard of you know, it's
terrible environmentally, but yeah, so batteries. I also have a
bend for my returnable items, so like my toothpaste comes

(01:26:36):
in a glass jar, and I gather those in a
bind and then I can send them back to solid
where I buy them from, and they will refill them.
So I kind of same with my makeup from last
so I kind of have is two bends for yeah,
my makeup empties and my toothpaste empties that once those
of them get filled, yeah, then I will send them

(01:26:57):
back to them. So yeah, batteries, the reusables, clothes, compast,
soft plastics, curbside recycling, local cool recycling, and rubbish. So
that is ace actually you win.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is
like kind of seriously impressive. It's funny though, way, Like
I think a key for people who are in households
where they're driving things is sometimes actually just making sure
everyone's on the same page. Like I reckon. I went
home to my wife right now and I said, can
you recycle the lids from ice cream containers? And I'll

(01:27:34):
be honest with you, ours is a house that gets
through quite a bit of ice cream, I reckon. She
would say, yeah, of course you can. You know, it's
just one of the you know, stuff like that. Sometimes
you just think, oh, for sure, but actually actually making
sure that he runs on the same page with what
you can and can't recycle, throw away soft basics, all
that stuff and the right things for things is kind
of vital.

Speaker 13 (01:27:53):
Yes, label things have instructions. When someone comes into my
house and I know that they're new to my house
and they might be there for a little while, I
tell them about the runaway streams. Yeah, because you know,
there's a talking point and they're clear, they know it's push.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
It's like I'm going to take yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:28:10):
Yeah, yeah, this is the induction home. I love so
chatting about why you're doing it too, and not just
forcing your household into it. Yeah, like having an open
dialogue around hey, what could we do to be better?
And yeah, divert things.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
That makes a lot of sense. Hey, thank you so much, Kate.
We'll put all of Kate's advice there for setting up
your waste streams at home on the news talks he'd
be website. I've had a couple of texts to come through.
Just at the end of just before eleven o'clock, we
were talking about key we saver and the things you
need to do in order to get the maximum government contribution.
Of course, you got to do that by the end
of June each year. And I've had a couple of

(01:28:46):
texts through asking how the rules apply if you're over
the age of sixty five. So I've looked it up
for you on the ID website. I'm going to read
it to your verbatim here. Okay, So if you joined
key we Saver on or after the first of July
twenty nineteen, you can get the government contribution up until
you turn sixty five. If you joined key we Save

(01:29:07):
before the first of July twenty nineteen, you can get
the government contribution up until you turn sixty five or
have been a key we Save a member for five years,
whichever is the later. I hope that clears things up
for you. Right now, it is seventeen minutes past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
It is twenty minutes past eleven. On News Talks, he'd
be Mike Hardley is our travel correspondent. He is a
king can tab So I wonder if, like me, he's
going to be cheering for the Chiefs come to the
Super Rugby final at seven o'clock this evening. More than
a mike.

Speaker 5 (01:29:45):
More than a jack.

Speaker 21 (01:29:45):
Yes, well, I didn't have much favorite thief swimming last weekend,
but I'm with them tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
Ob Cheeks.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
No, I agree. It's funny because I I'll enjoy watching
the game this evening, but don't you know, I don't
have a dog in the fight, as it were, And
I reckon if you were to rank the five Super
Rugby teams in New Zealand, yeah, I think the chief
and the Blues are probably the ones I'm less likely
to It's basically the further you get from Canterbury, the
less likely I am to support the team. Yeah, but no,

(01:30:14):
I thought the Chiefs were great last weekend. Really, I
thought they were great. And you know we've been talking
about how they're kind of flying under the radar. I
just thought they were. I thought they were fantastic, especially
that first yes, fifteen minutes or so last weekend was stonking.
So you cannot wait for the Super Rugby Final this evening.
We'll be catching up with Jason Pine on that very shortly,
but for now we are focusing on things across the ditch,
the great eats and drinks on the Sunshine Coast and

(01:30:37):
Australia's biggest thing, The Biggest Pineapple has just been freshly restored.

Speaker 21 (01:30:44):
Well it's not every day I'm invited to the ribbon
cutting ceremony for a fiberglass fruit jack, but there.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
I was in town last week for.

Speaker 21 (01:30:53):
The grand reopening of the sixteen meter tall Pineapple. So
this is considered the iconic Queen of Queensland Kitch and
she looked so resplendent. I could do with a similar
face lift with a couple ofs of marine paint.

Speaker 7 (01:31:07):
Jack.

Speaker 21 (01:31:08):
She's as old as me. She was birthed in nineteen
seventy one as an agritourism attraction. Even Charles and Diana
paid her a visit forty years ago. And I don't
know how many Kiwis have stopped by the Big Pineapple
over the decades, but I reckon.

Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
It would be hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 21 (01:31:26):
And on the nostalgic front, all of the old features
are going to be back, the Pineapple Express Train, even
the Pineapple pathways, which millions of visitors have.

Speaker 5 (01:31:38):
Devowed over the decades.

Speaker 21 (01:31:41):
Thing about the Big Pineapple Jack is that the reopening
of her also just reinforces that the Sunshine Coast has
so much stature as a powerhouse for premium local produce.
I reckon one of the most satisfying holidays on the
Sunshine Coast would be purely nching and sipping your way

(01:32:01):
around the region.

Speaker 5 (01:32:02):
There is so much to check out.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
So where do you find pineapp apple parfei gin?

Speaker 5 (01:32:10):
It's next door.

Speaker 21 (01:32:11):
There is this great distillery called Sunshine and Suns and
as a tribute to the famous neighbor, the craft distiller
produces various spirits, including pineapple parpe gin. This ginjack tastes
like a holiday yeah, and the cellar door actually whipped.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
Me up a Coast sunset cocktail.

Speaker 21 (01:32:29):
So what they do is they top the gin with ice,
pineapple juice and a dash of grenadine. Hello holiday Heaven.
You can try that one at home.

Speaker 5 (01:32:39):
But it's amazing. What else this distillery does.

Speaker 21 (01:32:43):
They pump out the most superb spicy RUMs and their
vodka was most intriguing. Their vodka is distilled from surplus
grapes and grape waste from the Barossa, So if you
like your vodka produced sustainably, these guys knock it.

Speaker 7 (01:32:59):
Out of the park.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Are very nice. And there's an indigenous distillery that scooping
plenty of awards as well.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Oh, this was such a stunning place to visit. Jack.

Speaker 21 (01:33:07):
Yes, in Caloundra, I popped into beech Tree Distillery, another
shining star in the Aussie craft scene and actually they
are the nation's most awarded organic distillery. They have won
gold at both the World Gin and World Vodka Awards
in the last few months.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
Yeah, they really are a rock star.

Speaker 21 (01:33:27):
The thing about them at beech Tree it is the
application of native botanicals which is their point of difference.
So think lemon, myrtle, pepperberries, strawberry, garm, cuckadoo, plalm. And
they also are sticklers for organic Queensland sugar cane, which
they reckon and I would agree it seems to create

(01:33:48):
a cleaner, crisper, smoother spirit.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
If you have that wildly grown sugar cane from across Queensland.
So definitely check out beech Tree.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
What about craft breweries.

Speaker 21 (01:34:02):
Well, interestingly they are the king. They have more craft
brewer per capita than any other region in Australia One
Sunshine Coast.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Yeah, so a cold one is never far away.

Speaker 21 (01:34:14):
There's two venues to put on your bingo card.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
Coulan Beach coat. They are a cracker.

Speaker 21 (01:34:19):
Check out the Raspberry says on it's like this semi
tart fruit.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
Beer, very zesty, very refreshing on a hot day.

Speaker 21 (01:34:29):
And Moffatt Beach Brewing Barren Caloundra.

Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
If you like.

Speaker 21 (01:34:32):
IPA's the trilogy, Best Coast has scooped so many gongs.
It is a resinous, full flavored, boozy Ipa best enjoyed
with a dirty Bird Louisiana style of fried chicken burger.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
I have to say, yeah, we'll take your word for that.
If there was, if there was like one restaurant not
to miss out on on the Sunshine Coast, what would
you say it is?

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:34:56):
I took on board local knowledge and just south of Noosa,
I scooted to Sunshine Beach, which is this snoozy under
the radar beachside bolt for the seriously rich and famous.
The real estate there jack unbelievable anyway. It's also home
to a pine sized restaurant called humble On Jeeke Jade

(01:35:16):
and Stacy are your delightful hosts. Stacey's actually from in
the Cargol and it's easy to see why.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
The locals rave about this place. It's the sort of
place you just.

Speaker 21 (01:35:25):
Roll up to and say feed me, and Middle Eastern
influences sing out loud with lots of small plates offerings.
Thank Turkish sausage with whipped feta, crispy zucchini flowers with
parmesan honey and sumac. Everything feels exotic and escapist. I

(01:35:46):
do love how a really good restaurant transports you, and
this place nails it. And by the way, if you're
drinking all day like me, whistle.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
Up the Turkish Delight soda. This is another Try this
at home one, folks. It is a zero alcohol cocktail.
It is simplistic brilliance. It is soda, rose water, lime
and mint.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Sounds quite simple in a way. I mean, yeah, the
rose waters is a little bit complicated, but otherwise yeah,
relatively simple.

Speaker 21 (01:36:16):
You can buy the rose water I think Barkers for
example rose water. Yeah, yeah, so just look for it
on the supermarket. But it is such an easy drink
and it really was the drink of the trip.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Yeah. Well, yeah, you could get you could get the
Barker's version, or you could just do what I did
and get Persian in laws because.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
Well there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
The never far from from the cooking and the indoors.
What about dinner with a view. Where's good?

Speaker 21 (01:36:43):
Well, I would say Tides restaurants and clowns, for it
is hard to beat on that front, Jack, because if
you go there just before sunrise from its purchase Tides,
not only do you get that sweeping view of the
esplanade and the waterfront, but gazed out west and you
see the glasshouse mountains, and as the sun slums on
the horizon, those glasshouse mountains take on.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
A treacle coat.

Speaker 21 (01:37:06):
Absolutely amazing that the coastal elements at Tides are also
underpins by all of that amazing seafood.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
You tuck them to your Coral Coast Barra.

Speaker 21 (01:37:16):
Monday and your Malulah bar pawns and you think life
is stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Yeah, man, that sounds pretty good to me. I reckon, Hey,
thank you so much. Enjoy the game this evening, and
we will be in touch again very soon. That's our
travel correspondent Mike Yardley for all of his tips on
nothing and sipping your way around the Sunshine Coast. You
can go to Newstalks heb dot co dot nz and
it's just coming up to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday, morning with Jack
team on news talks, ab.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Clam Dreamer, dream.

Speaker 23 (01:37:59):
Never See Yes Along long time.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Used to exed me, you were Jack Tame. Before midday,
we've got your book picks for this weekend. If you're
looking just a curl up at home and have a
cracking read, book review will be here very shortly with
two fantastic reads to recommend. Right now, they time to
catch up with Jason Pine, who's behind the mac this
afternoon for a very very busy weekend sport. Good morning,

(01:38:37):
hello Jack. Let's start off with Super Rugby. You obviously
had a bit of a disappointing weekend. It's a keen
hurricane supporter last weekend. How you feel about tonight?

Speaker 24 (01:38:46):
I feel good about tonight. Actually, I look. If the
hurricanes weren't clearly, i'd prefer that. But if they weren't,
I'd be nervous as anything. Yeah, but now I've got
no skin in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Now, now it's nice if they get a snow dog
and the fine no skin in the game, it's kind
of refreshing, eh.

Speaker 24 (01:39:00):
It is, so you can you can look forward to
it and enjoy it tonight for what it is. Yeah,
two pretty good rugby teams going at one another. We're
going to have a new champion, of course, with you
know the crusaderes having one. About the last million of
these hasn't hasn't been in the Blues trophy captain since
two thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
I was thinking last night, jacket.

Speaker 24 (01:39:19):
Yeah, no Blues fan has ever put on Facebook were
Super Rugby champions because the last time they had there
was no Facebook. So yeah, that's that's how long since
they had it. The Chiefs slightly more recently, but still
twenty thirteen was their last Super Rugby title. So look,
two really evenly matched teams. I've got the Blues as favorites,

(01:39:40):
and I think most people have by virtue of a
few things. But look, I think as a neutral, you,
me and many others around the country, I think we're
hoping for a fitting finale, terrific game of rugby, probably
a close one decided by a couple of moments of
brilliants hopefully.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Yeah, I totally agree. I was saying earlier, how easily
my household has slipped into football tournament mode. You changed
bedtimes and wake up times and morning routines and everything,
and the amount of time Lovision being watched before school,
as you know, the sort of thing that would have
horrified my mother. But it's been fantastic so far, hasn't it. Yeah,
it really has.

Speaker 24 (01:40:13):
And you're right, it's not Take me takes me back
to nineteen eighty two when the All Whites went to
Spain for their very first World Cup and eleven year
old me was watching games before heading off to school,
you know, and we get that opportunity now with the
time zones, et cetera. Yeah, it's actually pretty even, Jack.
You know, no one's apart from the Germans, no one's
really Germans. Yeah, apart from them, no one's really jumped

(01:40:35):
out and said, look, I'm here to win this whole thing.
Germany look really good. England have got a bit of
work to do. Yeah, I'm just just loving it. And
at the moment, the games come thick and fast. Soon
we'll be into the knockout stages and then the really
big stuff arise. But yeah, it's good early morning viewing
at the moment. And how about Marcos Stamin It's incredible. Yeah,
I mean this guy, it's a name to remember. You've

(01:40:57):
got to remember this name. He will be one of
our one of I believe one of our great male
footballers signing with Nottingham Forest.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
That's Chris Wood Club.

Speaker 24 (01:41:05):
Of course he's going to be loaned out to Prcurs
for a year to continue his football development. But it
would be no surprise to see Marco starmin It's playing
in the Premier League in a couple of years alongside
Chris Wood and maybe trying to get the ball past
Alex Paulson in goal for Bournemouth. Sound New Zealand football
fan at the money?

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
It really is. Hey, So what's on the show this afternoon?

Speaker 24 (01:41:23):
We'll cover off SUPERB obviously, but first up after midday
Greg Barclay, Chair of the ICC. Big story during the
week about Kane Williamson turning down a central contract with
New Zealand Cricket, the ever changing, the shifting sands of
global cricket, Where does everything fit and how does international
cricket retain its relevance? These and other issues with Greg
Barclay just after midday.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Very good look forward to that, thank you sir. Yeah,
enjoy the weekend. In massive afternoon of Sport Warriors five
o'clock Super ap Final the course just after seven. Right
now it is twenty five minutes to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
No bitter way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Two very different books to recommend This morning with our
book reviewer Catherine Rains. So I feel looking for something
good to read. Catherine is here now, Hey, Catherine, Morning Jack.
Let's begin with The Midnight Feast by Lucy Foley.

Speaker 25 (01:42:19):
So this story is told from multiple perspectives, and those
perspectives leads to feeling all the drama and twists, and
the story itself centers around the manner this very ultra
luxurious estate and Dorset in the UK, and it's designed
to provide this escape for its very privileged guest. And
it's owned by this woman called Francesca Woodland who hides
very dark secrets under the sort of veneer of priestess likeness.

(01:42:43):
And she's set to host this memorable summer Solster Feast.
And her husband is an aspiring art architect called Owen,
and he's kind of enchanted by this dream of facade
that she and the illusion that she's created about herself,
and he's got his own very dark secrets and about
his past that could threaten their future together. And then
as the some solstice starts to take place, her Francesca's

(01:43:05):
plans are disrupted by the mystery guests from a pastor
woman called Baala who's determined to confront a tragedy in
her life. And there's this young kitchen hand Eddie who
finds himself caught between the locals who are certing seeking
retribution against the Manner's guests and his dedication to his
new job and his dysfunctional family so ort to get
all these different points of views are heard and their
reasons for being at the Manner are revealed in this

(01:43:26):
kind of veneer of opulent tranquility begins to crack, and
chapter by chapter and person by person, and this tired
of animosity among the locals who have been very unhappy
because their lives have been cut off from the ancient
forest and access to the beach. And it's the hottest
summer on record, and so you just find yourself hooked
and turning the pages faster to find out exactly who's
happening and why.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
Very good, Okay, that's the Midnight Feast by Lucy Foldley.
You've also read Southern Man by Greg Isles.

Speaker 25 (01:43:53):
So this is a real political thriller, and it takes
this very deep look at racial tensions in this small
Mississippi town called Bennionville, and there's been long simmering racial
grievances and they ignite when these white of deputaries recklessly
open fire during a hip hop festival and attended my
mostly young blacks and killing several and wounding war including

(01:44:16):
a woman that's one of the main characters, pen Cage.
She's hurt and shot, and it becomes known as the
Mission Hill massacre. And these demonstrations start to take over
the city and protest and the National Guards there and
homes are torched and a black mirror is beaten. And
at the center of this is a character called pen Cage,
who's an attorney who quit practicing so that he could

(01:44:38):
spend his time writing. And his mother, Peggy, is dying
of cancer and his daughter Annie, who was the girl
that got shot at the hip hop festival, and so
all of this controversy intermial and in then amongst that,
as well as this other character called Robert E. Lee White,
and he's the Southern War hero who sezes the public
imagination as a third party presidential candidate, and he's done
with the TikTok man that's really became famous first. And

(01:45:00):
he's backed by this very eccentric Mississippi billinaire and he's
writing the glory of his special for his record, and
he's taking this massively unprecedented run at the White House,
and he has this plan that is interesting, to say
the least. And so you get this story rippling with
racial tension and all sorts of things that are going

(01:45:21):
on and this candidate and the burning plantations and the
subplot and some very despicable characters with no legal or
ethical boundaries and this just deteriorating situation. And the book's
over nine hundred pages, so you got a lot of story.
But you find yourself very caught up in this and
it takes you into the depths of this Mississippi town
and makes you think and question things. And it's very

(01:45:44):
well written, and even though it's a doorstop of a book,
you do find yourself very engrossed in the story. And
I didn't mind that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
It was over nine hundred ages.

Speaker 25 (01:45:53):
I did mind that it's kind of hard to hold,
but you know, I didn't mind that it's such a
great story.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
That's interesting, and yeah, nine hundred pages does seem like
a lot, but yeah, that's fantastic. He's an interesting guy,
Gregyse because he's I think he lives and Mississippi. Could
be wrong there, but I'm thinking born, maybe not born,
but certainly raised in Mississippi. But he's in this. There's
this literary musical group. I'm not sure if you've ever
come across them. I called the rock Bottom Remainders, and

(01:46:22):
it's just like it's like just literary figures from the
US men who get together. I know, not just men.
I've just googled them. Amy Tans in there as well.
So a group of literary figures, including the likes of
Stephen King and Matt Groening, who you know made the Simpsons.
So they are yeah, apparently.

Speaker 11 (01:46:40):
They very cliquic group of people.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
Yeah. So they called the rock Bottom Remainders or the Remainders,
and I think they get together and like do some
charity stuff, you know. But anyway, it's just it's one
of those kind of funny things. But I recognize Greek
Isles as one of the members of that. So there
you go. Random fact for your weekend. Catherine, thank you
for the box those recommendations once again. Southern Man by

(01:47:04):
Greek Isles is that big nine hundred pager, The thriller
set in Mississippi, and The Midnight Feast with Catherine's first pick.
That's by Lucy Foley. Both of them will be at
news Talks hedb dot co dot nz if you want
to go and track one down. It is seventeen minutes
to twelve. We've got new music for you next from
Gracie Abrams.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
Us Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and beepwre dot co
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Speaker 19 (01:47:31):
It'd be you're taking off shoes. She Sonny is pretty
and she was on the Anna and are your conversations cooling?

Speaker 17 (01:47:45):
Are you even interesting?

Speaker 11 (01:47:46):
I know what you are for looting the stories, Tony.

Speaker 19 (01:47:50):
If she takes you far, far away from all the.

Speaker 10 (01:47:55):
Baggage, you can carry all to all the.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Good is Gracie Abrams that songs called Blowing Smoke. She
just released a second album, it's called the Secret of Us.
In our music review at Stelle, Clifford has been taking
a bit of a listen, hey, Estelle.

Speaker 26 (01:48:12):
Killed her mourning, I had blonde smokes actually one of
my faves.

Speaker 17 (01:48:15):
And she describes it as catchy, sad girl.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Stuff, which is kind of like her in general.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Right.

Speaker 26 (01:48:21):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, totally yeah, like Billie Eilish, Phoebe Bridges,
and there is one that she is.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
It cool for me to be like, you know, there's
a kind of a thing at the moment with like,
you know, young female musicians with beautiful voices making kind
of whispery music in their bedrooms.

Speaker 17 (01:48:36):
I think that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 26 (01:48:37):
And you know, she actually says Gracie says she didn't
She always wrote music and she always wanted to do music,
but she didn't want to do the performance side of things, right,
so that you kind of get that whole pop girl
in the bedroom, which is actually how she first did
her first concerts. During Lockdown, one hundred people online watching
her performance.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
Has become a bit of a sort of cliche.

Speaker 26 (01:48:57):
It has a it's generational though, isn't it. That's how
they've come through the ranks. They couldn't go and tour
their music, which she said she was grateful for because
that's the one thing. So a record deal she wasn't into,
so I don't really want.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
To do that but.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
Make money now.

Speaker 17 (01:49:12):
Well, then you get picked up by Taylor Swift to open.

Speaker 26 (01:49:17):
And I feel like you kind of say yes to that,
and you go from one hundred people online watching you too.
I don't even know, like how many people who Stadium's ridiculous.
This album is interesting for her and I think, you know,
she is evolving as a musician, but it's definitely more
poptastic than probably some of her other stuff that people
might have heard from Gracie. Definitely influenced by Phoebe Bridges,

(01:49:39):
Johnny Mitchell, all those kind of artists, which is which
is cool to cover a few decades of music. But
this one, I would say, if you think Taylor Swift
slash Olivia Rodrigo, then you're right on the money. And
I think she even has that that kind of voice
that sort of matches that too. Probably no surprise that
she has a single collaboration with Taylor Swift on this album,

(01:50:02):
which I just completely sounds Taylor Swift to me, like
if it was on Taylor's album. This is a take
yeah yeah, again, She's also used the same producers, So
Aaron Desner is on it. Jack antonof Taylor's producer on
this as well. And I think they're just trying to
make her honer craft. I guess that maybe is quite universal.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Sellable, right right, Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:50:26):
And if that is the business woman of Tata behind
you promoting your music, then I guess go for it.

Speaker 17 (01:50:34):
So way more slick and production.

Speaker 26 (01:50:36):
You've still got that girl and her guitar kind of
those moments.

Speaker 17 (01:50:39):
Too, and a little bit of that rock.

Speaker 26 (01:50:42):
Sort of undertone to some of the pot but mostly
like just full go there, like you say, wistful, dreamy,
but then every now and then a bit of a
bit of a jam.

Speaker 7 (01:50:53):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:50:53):
So, but I think the set, the catchy sad girl.

Speaker 26 (01:50:57):
Thing is like just a great way to sort of
go there. A song you're going to play in a
few minutes close to you, the final track on the album,
it is. It's the most closest to going to the
dance floor with the tunes she's got on this, right,
She actually wrote it like several years ago, didn't really
like it, gave a little teaser on social media, and

(01:51:17):
then ever since like seven years or something, right, like, what.

Speaker 17 (01:51:21):
Is that song when you're going to go there, you.

Speaker 26 (01:51:24):
Hand it over to someone like Aaronda and he's like,
this is where you should go with it. So it's
finally here, and it actually ties in with the album
and gives her one of those singles to advertise the
album quite well, I think, considering she's about to do
a headline tour and do some festivals and things, it's
right kind of song. It's a real jam, you know,
like makes you want to dance, and I think that's

(01:51:44):
really cool still sometimes with those melancholy lyrics that we
kind of love of said good music.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
So yeah, yeah, she's good.

Speaker 17 (01:51:53):
I think she's good. I think she's good.

Speaker 26 (01:51:54):
I think that when she finds what else to evolve
her music, or if she's going to stay in this
pop line, then she will evolve. I think as an artist.
She's twenty four or whatever, right, so plenty of times good.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
It's nice for some Yeah, well kind of the best
team did get the best team behind her now as well.
Yeah it sounds sounds pretty good.

Speaker 17 (01:52:14):
Look, it's a nice lesson.

Speaker 26 (01:52:15):
I don't know if it's something that's going to be
in my high collection. It does to challenge you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Yeah, okay, okay, challenge you. I'm not trying to be
too critical because I haven't heard enough of the album yet,
but it's always going to have opinions on things you
don't know about. So, I mean, it just feels like
maybe we're maximum sad, whispery young woman in the bedroom.

Speaker 17 (01:52:34):
Where do we need a change now?

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
Right?

Speaker 26 (01:52:35):
But we've we've kind of done that, and we've heard
a lot of it, and every time I bring you
a pop artist, I feel like I'm saying quite a
similar sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
Yeah well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:52:43):
So it's something that's obviously working for them to perform
it and also to sell it. Yeah, okay, so I
get that, but I think that there's an evolution for her.
She hasn't quite cracked that album that you're like, whoa,
this is her signature sound and her signature album. Yeah, okay,
all right, but there's time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
The secret for Grassie Abram. Okay, listened to have you
listened to the have you heard the Lord Charlie Xi song? Yeah?
What do you think?

Speaker 17 (01:53:09):
I'm on the fence about it, So I'm on, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
Yeah, that's all right?

Speaker 26 (01:53:14):
Said first to come back and just do her stuff right,
So Peop will.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Come back and do her stuff when she wants.

Speaker 17 (01:53:19):
Yeah, I'm sure right, And dog, isn't that power? Like
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Totally, but I mean I've only listened to it a
couple of times. I saw it have been released A
head bit of a listen, ye, yeah, I mean here
is more Charlie igxy x. Then there's Lord in a
way yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:53:33):
And I guess we're looking at it big like, yes,
Lord's back, but actually nope, she's doing that co lab
thing which she's not pushing herself to the forefront.

Speaker 17 (01:53:40):
So yeah, we'll wait.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Katie Pie will wait. Very good. I thank you so much, Stelle.
We always talk to you again. Next way, Castelle Clippe.
It is our music reviewer seven out of ten she
reckons Get Gracie Abrams The Secret of us as Worth.
We're picked out one of the banger songs though, so
we'll play that in a couple of minutes. Right now.
It is eight minutes to twelve on News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
Z'b a cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings
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Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
News Talks said, well, they are about to kick me
off for the morning on News Talks hed B. Not
to worry, though, we have a massive afternoon planned. Jason
Pine is on Weekend Sport, counting down to the Warriors
at five the Super Rugby Final just after seven. He's
got his eyes on the euro European Championship football tournament
as well. He's gonna make sure that you are up
to speed with any developments that come out of the

(01:54:28):
marble sounds this morning as the various authorities work out
what they're gonna do as they try and refloat the
art of Teddy inter Island a firry. Of course, you
can get the latest updates on that as well at
inzid Herald dot co dot inzed for everything from our show.
News Talks hedb dot co dot inzed is the best
place to go. A massive thanks to Libby for doing
all the tough stuff, all the buttons and dials. This morning,

(01:54:50):
We're gonna leave you with Gracie Abrams. Her new album
is the Secret of Us. I'm back next Saturday morning,
or am I because if the text or anything to
go by, it might not be Jack Tame, it might
be Antie barb Tam instead. She'd love that all right
see Nia.

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Speaker 17 (01:56:12):
Burn for you m to be closty.

Speaker 10 (01:56:22):
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you mat he want to be close, to break my
heart and start fire.

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You got your.

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Knightly costly, costy, costy, cost losty, crosty, custy, cost.

Speaker 22 (01:56:59):
Colsty, closty costy.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
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