Full Show Podcast: 24 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yo, New Zealand. Good morning, Welcome to News Talks EDB.
Jacktane with you through the midday today. You might notice
my voice just sounds a little bit, you know, a
little bit right now. Don't you worry about that. I'm
being fueled at the moment by David Seymour's special The
Old Pseudo Effor Dream. Its actually the first time I've
had it since it's been brought back, the first kind

(01:07):
of cold that has warranted a bit of pseudo, and
my goodness, it does make a difference. It's not like
one of those kind of you know, you know how
you got the kind of coffin cold over the counter
medicines that you feel like they do nothing. Not the
pseudo effortdream. You sort of you can feel like pumping
through your veins, can't you? Anyway? Big show for you
this morning. A feature interview after ten o'clock this morning,

(01:28):
two of the lead dancers from Back Gray Black Grace
are going to be in studio with us before ten o'clock.
We're going to tell you about the Last Mission Impossible,
Film Mission Impossible, the Final Reckoning Tom Cruise of course
doing all his own stunts in that. Plus will countdown
to walk and FC's second leg of their A League
semi final right now that it's eight minutes past nine,

(01:50):
check team. And it's one of those sort of one
of the curious things about the structure of modern liberal democracies,
whether it's share markets, or political cycles or even media coverage. Actually,
a lot of the big forces that shape our society,
that kind of shape our world, are influenced by short

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term incentives and it gets us into all sorts of pickles. So,
for example, take three waters right in the crisis with
water infrastructure in New Zealand. The main reason we find
ourselves with a vast infrastructure deficit is because for decades
heaps of local councils haven't properly invested in maintaining the pipes.

(02:36):
Why didn't they invest, Well, it was simple. Investment takes money,
and money means rates, and with woefull levels of engagement
with local body elections, big rates increases and pledges to
spend millions of dollars on water infrastructure that no one
could see or appreciate. Well, those weren't exactly vote winners.

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Counselors who wanted to be re elected have been incentivized
to defer spending for the future someone else's problem. Predictably,
of course, the problem snowballed. I think we risk the
same thing with our aging population and the future of
superannuation in New Zealand. We know that in a few

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short years, as more baby boomers retire, the cost of superannuation,
combined with the impact of an older population on the
health system, is going to massively increase pressure on the
government books. Treasury has been warning about it for ages
for yoonks. Now there are going to be fewer of
us of working age supporting more of us who are retired.

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And yet since the advent of Key we Save It,
there have been very few big steps to address the
fast approaching meteorite. I'm pleased this week to see the
government move on Key we Save for contributions. I think
it's well overdue and although yep, it's going to be
a burden for a lot of businesses, at least in
the short term. I would personally support steps that encourage

(04:02):
a much greater rate of retirement saving for the future.
You know, it's funny. It kind of occurs to me
that a massively underrated component in the Australia versus New
Zealand equation is superannuation. We always talk about wages, but
just think about the differences in super between the two countries.
So saving for super is compulsory in Australia for starters,

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but not only are wages higher across the ditch. In
six weeks, the compulsory employer rate for superannuation goes to
twelve percent. We're slowly stepping it from three to four.
The Aussies are at twelve.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'm not suggesting we instantly introduced a twelve percent rate here.
I mean, let's be on. Businesses will be driven into
the ground if we did that right. But it is
interesting to note that in Australia, for most workers, the
tax on employer contributions is much lower than the tax
in New Zealand. In the next few decades, Australians are
set to retire with hundreds of thousands of dollars more

(05:03):
than their New Zealand counterparts. Une sixty five and twenty
seven years right. I have no expectation that superannuation in
its current form is going to exist exactly as it
is today by the time that I get there, and
I sort of honestly have a bit of a kind
of sense of fatalism about the whole thing. It just
feels inevitable to me that I'm going to be paying

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for older generations to enjoy universal super only for the
settings to finally change once I'm on the home straight
sixty five. Then I do find one thing about the
government's move this week really curious. So they've opened the
door to means testing key WE Saver. Those who earn
more than one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year
won't receive the government contribution. Now, I don't personally claim

(05:49):
to know what the best solution is, but there are
going to be many working New Zealanders wondering if means
testing key WE Saber benefits is acceptable, why shouldn't superannuation
be means tested? Jack Too, ninety two ninety two is
the text number if you want to send us some
message this morning, you can email me as well. Jacket

(06:10):
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Speaker 1 (06:29):
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Speaker 2 (06:39):
Thank you very much for your messages this morning, Peter
says Jack means testing Super Your lefty eat the rich
attitude is showing again. Peter. I'm not a lefty eat
the richer. But let me ask you this. If you
think the means testing super is eating the rich, what
do you think of means testing key we saver? Isn't
that the same thing? If you're earning more than one
hundred and eighty grand a year and you're no longer

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getting the government contribution that everyone else is getting, isn't
that also eating the rich?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Peter?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Jack good morning, good editorial, says another Peter. We do
really need to have a conversation about raising the age
of superannuation as well. I guess that's not going to
happen so long as Winston Peters is anywhere near power,
I mean it is. I'm not saying that we definitely
have to means test SUPER. I'm not saying that we
definitely have to raise the age of Super. I don't know,
and am open to suggestions as to what the best

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solution is going to be. But I think the longer
we defer what are pretty difficult conversations and pretty difficult
policy decisions, the worse it's going to be. The more
the problem is going to snowball. If you want to
send this message, ninety two ninety two is the text number.
Don't forget the standard text cost supply. If you're doing that,
you can email me as well. Jacket Newstook ZB dot

(07:47):
co dot NZ, Kevin Milne as with us this morning, Kildo,
Kevin Cilder Jack.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
You know you know my thoughts about means testing super.
I'd been raving about for years. It needs to take place.
And I don't think you're talking about you know when
you will get super. You should never get super. You'll
never need it. Yeah, neither do Why And I get it,
but I don't think I think it ought to be

(08:12):
means tested.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Absolutely, Yeah, so it's interesting. So I think here we save.
It was came into effect in two thousand and seven,
which is about when I started. I think I started
working full time in about two thousand and seven, so
I'm kind of the perfect guinea pig for a for
a key we saver. And I think I contribute five percent,
so I contribute slightly more than the minimum, but it

(08:34):
is you know, it's going to be interesting over the
next couple of decades to compare my superannu superannuation savings
with the generation before me, but also like a generation
or two afterwards, because you know, you think that young
people today, like, if there's one message I could get them,
it would be it would be to save more than
three or four percent, save more than the bare minimum.
Because I don't think anyone under you know, under forty

(08:59):
today has any great expectation that superannuation is going to
exist in the same form that it has existed for
many years by the time we get to retirement age. No,
So yeah, yeah, anyway, Hey, given you want to celebrate
the ambition of a christ Church entrepreneur, this morning.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah. Well, there's the saying Jack.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Isn't it that if you know precisely what job you'd
like to have, you will one day get it. This
isn't just to say I want to be a lawyer
or some other broad category. You need to be able
to say one day I want to be the man
who drives the peak time bus from Karori into the city,
or perhaps more difficult, I want to be the senior

(09:37):
district court judge in christ Church. I love the fact
that the first newsleander into space is likely to be
christ Church aerospace entrepreneur Mark Rocket. Mark went further than
just knowing what he wanted to do. He changed his
name to it. It would be like me as a

(09:57):
teenager changing my name to Kevin Radio or Kevin Carpett,
or you Jack to Jack Media.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
I think I think Jack Media sounds.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Quite Yeah, it's an option.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Yeah, anyway, Now, Mark Rocket's book to become the first
New Zealander to go into space on board a Blue
Origin subord butital flight out of Texas. He's not sure
when yet, but good on him. He's always been fascinated
by space travel and hopefully he'll soon be doing some
There's nothing new to naming yourself, of course, after what

(10:32):
you do. Many of, if not most, of our surnames
say something about our four bear's job. If your milm
like I am, someone at the start of that lineage
was a miller, probably a carpet miller. All the smiths
were once blacksmiths or silversmiths or some other kind of smoody.

Speaker 6 (10:52):
Jack more a bit more difficult.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
In your case, you'll no doubt claim you come from
a lineage of famous lions.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Quite a few politicians would go along with that. I
think you what do you yeah? I mean, where does
where does Tame come from? Do you know?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
So my understanding is that it's because my dad's from Birmingham.
I think it's from Thames, from the from the River Thames,
and that it become Tame as a result of Thames.
But it's one of these things, like I it's an
unusual name. And in New Zealand, you know, my whole life,
people have said, oh, Jack Tummy, and I've said, oh,

(11:31):
you know, yep, that doesn't upset me at all. I
like a bit of Jack Tummy. But actually my dad's
from Birmingham, so no, But you know, if it were
Jack Wilde. My gosh, I just feel like i'd I
would have had a completely different life, you know.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
Yes, and there is Jack wild isn't it.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'm sure there are somewhere. Well, yeah, there was, unfortunately
for me. I don't know if you've ever seen the
Anchorman movies, Kevin, Yes, so that they're about the sort
of silly comedies about about a guy who's a TV
news and command and in Ang Command two there is
a central character, the sort of the main protagonist arts

(12:09):
rival who's a news reporter whose name is Jack Lame.
And I had a particularly rough time after that film
was produced for because every smart ass in the world
decided that they would call me Jack Lame for however long.
So yeah, I mean, you're so right about Mark Rockett.
Do you know when I saw that this week that

(12:30):
he'd been that, you know that he was going to
be going to space soon. I saw his photograph before
I saw anything, So I saw the headline that said,
you know, Christich entrepreneur to be going to space, and
I looked at him and I was like, that's Mark Rockett,
And I realized it must be what fifteen years since
he first did whatever it was The expression of interest

(12:51):
and putting a bit of money forward to get a
ticket on one of these space flights. So to see
him kind of follow it through to this point, I mean,
is it is super exciting for him? It really is.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. I think changes a pretty
assumeing it was probably not much past a teenager. Yeah,
when he changed his name. Yeah, but what commitment to
a particular job we could we could perhaps change our names.
A bit late for me, I think to change my

(13:20):
name to suit any current ambition.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Kevin, Yes, there you go.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Ring to it, but Leo the Forty's beaten me to it. Interestingly,
his name surname is Prevost, which means an official in
a position of responsibility.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
Ah, you name it, you get it.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Jack, I didn't know that. Oh that's very good. Near
a nice little fact there, Kevin. Hey, thank you very much, sir.
We will catch again very soon. Kevin Milne with us
this morning, and thank you very much for your text
this morning. Jack means testing super a great way to
create a new industry. Hiding your assets so you're still
qualify as Peter. Yeah, I mean that that's true. It's
definitely easier to means test for key, we say a

(14:00):
contributions than it would be for super. I can agree
with that. But you know someone said to me yesterday,
why not say if someone has more than, say a
million dollars in Kiwi Saver, that you have a staggered approach.
So maybe you don't get if you get if you
get to You know, if you if you retire at
sixty five, you've got a million bucks in Kiwisaver, then
you don't get the full super allowance. You still get some,

(14:23):
but you you kind of stagger it. You have in
the same way that you do with a marginal tax rate.
Something like that. Anyway, bit of an idea ninety two
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this morning, twenty four minutes past nine.

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Talk ZB, Debra says, Jack, you're not paying for our super.
We paid for our own super by paying high taxes
over a number of years. It's an entitlement. We've worked
hard for Deborah to break it to you. They didn't

(16:07):
take those taxes, put them in a pot and save
them for your retirement. Working people today are paying for
retired people today, and in thirty years, working people will
probably be paying for retired people then too. Okay, I'm
coming up with more of a solution. What I love
doing on Saturday morning is working through a way to
solve all the world's ills with you in real time.

(16:28):
So how about this. What if we had a tax
incentive for voluntary key we Saver contributions so that you
had a much lower tax rate for your key we
saver than you currently do, so that throughout your working
life you were incentivized to contribute more to your key
we saver voluntarily. But you're incentivized to do it, and
then once you get to retirement age, you means test

(16:51):
the key we saver. So once again, if you've got
more than a million dollars, say in your key we
saver by the time you retire, then you get less
super than someone else will get. Do you get what
I'm saying. So you're incentivized more to save throughout your life,
and then when you get to retire, a if you've
got a massive pot of gold and your key, we
save her account. Then you get less super than other
people and that saves the government a bit more money

(17:13):
at that end. Just thrown out somedeas here, just thrown
out some ideas. Right now, it's twenty nine past nine
on news talks, he'd be Andrew Savilla Sporto is with
us this morning, and Sam, I say, this is a
keen Crusaders fan. The Highlanders deserved it last night, yes, morning, Jack.

Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah, patches of that game both teams had air ridden.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Moment my god, some of the defense, the Crusader's defense
has been ridiculous in the last few weeks. But I just, yeah,
I thought there was a solid half of that game,
probably twenty minutes before halftime twenty minutes afterwards, where the
Highlanders were just were just dominant and could not get
points on the board.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
And that sort of sometime season really, you know, they
pushed the Hurricanes week or two ago, and Wellington they've
had some really close games. Yeah, they've had the odd
couple of blowouts, but it's a frustrating season for them.
They had some key injuries early on and one thing
with the Hearland is clearly under Jamie Joseph. They never

(18:14):
give up jack and we saw that again last night
and frustrating for them, a real heartbreaker that they missed
a penalty after the full time hooter which would have
drawn them level at fifteen or and it would have
gone to extra time. But the Crusaders for the time
being move up back to the top of Super Rugby.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
The Chiefs can overtake them and go back top.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
Themselves if they beat Mowana Pacific at tonight, and not
often you'd say if they beat Mowana, but the way
Mowana is playing under Ahdisavia, you wouldn't bet against them.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Do you know what? I still feel like we haven't
given enough attention to what that team has done this year.
And this honestly, what Ardie has done by being in
that team, I cannot you know, except for maybe the
healthyon days of Carter and McCaw, I don't think I
can think of a period in which in a single
New Zealand rugby player was having such an influence on

(19:10):
a whole team's performance.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I just think like I think Artie Savi has entered
like another stratosphere in terms of the kind of legendary
status at the moment.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
Yeah, I think he's played When he won his name,
I think it was named Wild Player of the Year
in twenty twenty twenty three World Cup year. I think
he's playing even better now. And let's not forget he's
in his early thirties. His body has been through the
absolute ringer. I saw him during the week, would have
been two or three days after that Blues game, and

(19:43):
he still looked achy and sore, but he was still
flying into everything at training and that sums him up.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Artie save Look, you've.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Got to know, Jack, that Mowana is in this competition
and playing well, but having to do so often with
one arm tied behind their back, whether it's money, whether
it's resource, whether it's being allowed to play games here,
there and everywhere. Ardie Savia, let's not forget, was pretty
much told don't go to Mowana. When he started making

(20:14):
requests to leave the Hurricanes or move on from the Hurricanes.
There were question marks from on high about the facilities
they had or didn't have, the what would happen to
his play, and all of that has gone totally down
the old duney because he is playing some superb football
and what he's done. And what that team has done

(20:35):
for this competition, it's given it some life, Mate.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It really has, it really has. I mean it's because
they're always it always sort of felt like, you know,
results were kind of a done thing right before before
you had games, and sometimes it was with the drawer
and it was often with Wana PACIFICA. But I just
I think I think they've been absolutely superb.

Speaker 7 (20:54):
So awkose we had another we had an sorry just
before we leave Rugby, we had another tight games. Such
a high percentage of games besided by say five or
fewer points this season. That's made the competition interesting as well.
But the Canes just beating the Queensland Reds, yeah, and
up to fourth, so they are now in the playoffs.

(21:15):
Billy Procter I thought was outstanding again. He has to
be the All Black center. Surely he's had a terrible
run with injuries the last couple of years. Let's hope
he stays fit to make that first all Black squad
and black Fern's this afternoon and it is a stunning day,
and Alton, isn't.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It, Jack it is.

Speaker 7 (21:31):
I'm assuming you're here, and I'm here and I'll be
black after the Black Ferns game is.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Of course Auckland versus Melbourne victory.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, that's going to be massive this afternoon. He later
kickoff at go Media Stadium, but a full house to
say the least. I think they've got They've brought in
the extra seats and everything, haven't they for that second.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Lea just under twenty nine thousand, So the atmosphere will
be out of this world, as with the players yesterday
out of the stadium, very relaxed, trying to win this
game rather than defending that one lead for the first
league which which which is which is obviously Aukland C's
way of doing things. They are an attacking football team

(22:14):
and just a great just a great feeling around this
team and a very good feeling around the city. A
lot of Awkacs signage around the city, a lot of
people going to the game, a lot of people talking
about the team.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
They've they've done wonders for football this year.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
They really have. And I mean I don't want to
get to ahead of myself, but were firmly touching would
I mean this time next week we could be counting
down to kick off in the A League final, which
would just be ridiculous anyway, let's just focus on the
on the let's one game at a time. Let's get
let's focus on those cliches for the time beings so
that we get through this afternoon. Thank you, sir Andrew

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said our sport over there, don't forget before ten o'clock.
We've got that Hallney Oorso Trey bake recipe this year
with you. Next up your film picks for this week,
including the latest, The Last Mission Impossible. Way this is

(23:15):
Fly my pretties, the songs called car Why apparently they've
got their seventh album on the way, so it's exciting.
But in New Zealand Music Month for you there right now,
it's twenty three minutes to ten on News Dogs. He'd
be Francesca rud Can, our film reviewer, is here Kilda.

Speaker 8 (23:31):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Two films for us this morning. The first is showing
in cinemas at the moment that the man the legend
that is Tom Cruise in the Final Mission Impossible. So
let's have a listen to Mission Impossible, the final reckoning.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Your team has going to betrayed. Oh, your secrets compromised.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
I need you to trust me.

Speaker 8 (24:07):
One last time.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
That the dum right oh Ethan Hunt is back. This
is the eighth film. I reckon I three behind at
the moment. I'm sorry, I know that's bad.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
No, that's you're doing.

Speaker 9 (24:21):
I'm quite impressed, Yes, doing well. I mean they have
been around for thirty years, had some time to catch up,
to be honest. So it's almost about thirty years ago
since these films started. Then, yes, it is supposed to
be the last film. But with Honey would you just
Never Know? And Tom Cruise, well, you know, if this
film is anything to go by, he's looking pretty good
because we get to see a lot of him quite often. Yeah,

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he's very keen to get the shirt off in this film,
and he's still doing his own stance, as everybody knows.
So look, they could be life in this year, who knows.
But this this is supposedly the final film, directed again
by Christopher mcquarie. These two Tom and Christopher, they also
produced this. It is very much their baby, and it

(25:03):
is very much the Tom Cruise show. He might part
of a team, but this film is very much all
about Tom or should we say Ethan Hunt. Do you
remember there was a Christopher Nolman film, Jack called Tenant, And.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
I said to you.

Speaker 9 (25:17):
It is absolutely stunning to watch. But don't sit there
trying to work it out.

Speaker 8 (25:21):
You remember I.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Told yeah, yeah, Yeah, I think I do yeah in a.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
Little way these last two films in the Mission Impossible franchise.
When it comes to the plot, don't really try and
work it out. It doesn't really make a huge amount
of sense. It's a very convoluted story for something which
is actually really simple. Yeah, And it's all about this
rogue AI entity which is giving out all this information

(25:46):
to people. It's making humans turn against each other, it's
making countries turn against each other. It's also able to
penetrate cybersecurity, so it's actually taking control the country's weapons
and things. And the whole band was about to blow
itself up in things. And humans have to find their
humanity just long enough to allow Ethan Hunt, the only

(26:10):
person to move who is able to find a way
to kill this entity. And there's something to do with
a key and a hard drive and a little thing
that looks like a power bank, and between those three
things we get them all together and the world's going
to be saved. As I say, it's all a little
bit convolution. And by the time I was watching it.
I couldn't actually remember where the entity came from her creator.
That does not matter. This is a sit back, grab

(26:33):
some popcorn, relax and enjoy. Yeah the really silly, nonsensical, incredible,
thrilling stunts that Tom calls you.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Embrace the escapism. Embrace yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally embrace
the fact.

Speaker 9 (26:48):
That really this guy should be dead. He should probably
die four films ago. It's actually impossible he is still alive.
But you just sort of you just hand out, you
just give in. The Only thing about this film is
they take a really nostalgic approach to this final film.
The opening scene is sort of like ten minutes long,
and a lot of it's all flashbacks to previce films.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Are you're kind of going.

Speaker 9 (27:10):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, you've done. You've had this.
You know, you've been very successful.

Speaker 10 (27:15):
I mean, oh.

Speaker 9 (27:16):
Gosh, yeah, four billion globally. It pulled massive, you know,
money at the box office, and yes, it has pushed
I think, what can be achieved in an action flick.
But you know, if they're kind of patting themselves on
the back a little bit too much throughout this film
from my lik and it's like, hey, guys, do what
you're good at.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, get back to jumping off something or
yeah yeah, like riding a motorbike out of a helicopter
or something.

Speaker 9 (27:41):
Yeah, well fifty you could have cut this too, and
I would have really happy.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
So yeah, but look good.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
It's been really successful. And if you love a good
throll at the theater, go to the cinema. It's made
for the big screen.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
It's one of those films, isn't it. Like I mean,
obviously Tom Cruise kind of makes it, but you wonder
if the franchise would have been quite as good without
the music. You know, it's about it's just that done.
Dunt dun dun, dun dunn. It's just like far Out.
That is an amazing so simple and such a great z.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah they tell me this message, will you know, self.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Distructing five Yeah yeah, yeah, it's so good. I mean
it's like you say, you just embrace the silliness and
it's good fun.

Speaker 11 (28:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
So that's Mission impossible, the Final Reckoning, and that is
showing in cinemas right now, also showing on Apple Plus.
Let's have a listen to Fountain of Youth. There's the power.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Beyond any of our comprehensions, and which genius will explain
to me.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
Why iron here.

Speaker 12 (28:47):
We're looking for the fountain of youth?

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Oh please?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
No, right, Oh, he's got some big names in this
Stanley two g Natalie Portman, John Krasinski.

Speaker 9 (28:59):
And the gorgeous thing is that Stanley Tucci is actually
John Krasinski's brother in law.

Speaker 10 (29:03):
And he didn't know he was in the film.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
Oh, Richie, they're not in many things together. And Guy
Richie says to John Kristinsky one day, Oh, yes, Stanley's
on set tomorrow, and he's like, oh, really, all great?

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Is he just coming to visit?

Speaker 9 (29:14):
He's like no, It's like, well, what's he doing?

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Is that he's in the film.

Speaker 9 (29:16):
He's like is he? Oh that's interesting. National treasure in
Indiana Jones Films. If you're a fan of those types
of family adventure flicks, you're going to absolutely love this.
Directed by Guy Ritchie, who just seems to be very
busy at the moment. Natalie Portman John Krasinski plays siblings
and this is probably the it's close to the twist

(29:38):
on this genre, as you get that instead of them
being next lovers or lovers or partners or whatever. They're siblings, right,
but they look nothing alike, but we'll just put that aside.
So it's all kind of their sibling relationship is what
kind of drives this, and they're pretty charming at this.
Luke is a treasure hunter.

Speaker 8 (29:58):
Their father was a treasure hunter as well.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
Charlotte has retired from the business. She's now a gallery curator,
and that is until her brother pops to see her
and steals the painting under her nose and she's suddenly unemployed.
So she's also currently in the middle of getting a divorce,
and so she decides, oh, to heck with that, I'll
join my brother and off we'll go on this latest adventure,
as you heard, there to find this mythological spring that

(30:22):
grants eternal life. And this is all being funded by
a very wealthy patron who is dying of liver cancer.
And so off they go on this adventure and look looking,
Charlotte had this lovely love hate relationship.

Speaker 8 (30:31):
It works well.

Speaker 9 (30:32):
The locations are fabulous. They head to Vietnam and Egypt,
Liverpool and Vienna, and there's lots of fun action sequences.
I sometimes I feel it's a bit of a shame
when you've got a big budget kind of global adventure
with these big stars and these beautiful views that it's
made for streaming, it's made for the small screen. This

(30:52):
is actually made for the big screen. So it's I
kind of think, oh, you've got it, it's all here.
This would be so much more fun on the big screen.
But look, I think it's something the whole family can enjoy.
I found it a touch underwhelming, and maybe it's just
because we are so familiar with this genre, this type.
But look, good time this weekend if you want something
to watch with the kids.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Very good. Okay, cool, that's Fountain of Youth that is
showing on Apple Plus. Mission Impossible. The Final Reckoning is
in cinemas.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
Now.

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Rosa Flanagan, who is, of course one of the two
Raw Sisters for our recipe of the week.

Speaker 11 (32:45):
Calda Rosa, Hello, how are you.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'm very well, thank you, Helloomy or Zo Trey bake.

Speaker 12 (32:51):
Yum.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
This is kind of like like autumnal little comfort food.

Speaker 13 (32:55):
Eh mm hmm, exactly. I'm all for since the mom,
I'm all for these that one can. Oh yeah, chuck
in the oven, quit it mazy yet cup putting meals.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
And this is exactly that I just reckon.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Hallumi's one of those things too. Cherito's the other one.
We just added to any meal and it just elevates
stuff so much like it just you know, it gives
us as a little edge.

Speaker 13 (33:17):
Yeah, any Hallomian recipes we have, they are always they
always go top to the top of the chart. They
are super popular.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Now I'm not surprised, Okay, So run us through it.

Speaker 13 (33:27):
So this recipe to four people. So as I said it,
you literally put everything into a big peatproof dish. I
love using some big cast iron pans skillet situation. So
in the recue, We've got one eggplant cut into bite sized,
bite sized chunks and then We've got one leak sliced
width ways, and then we've got a red one in

(33:49):
which you can just dice. In terms of the juice,
you can use what if the Vigew's you've got at
home and in your fridge and Watson season so eggplants.
They are still reasonably cheap at the moment. But if
you have pumped in at home or Comera, or you've
got spinel celery, broccoli, cauliflower, whatever cabbage, use that instead.

(34:12):
So add the equlant leak red onion. We've got some
cherry tomatoes there as well. I know quite a few
people getting the last of the cheerio tomatoes out of
their glass houses. You can use those. If not, you
can leave them out, and you can add some garlic
as well. We've got three clothes in there, so put
that all into the heatproof dish. Drizzle with some oil,
sprinkle over your sea salt posts, toss everything together and

(34:36):
then you can place in the oven for thirty minutes.
Once that thirty minutes is up, add a can of
chopped tomatoes to just any can of chopped tomatoes, three
quarters of a cup of water, three quarters of a
cup of orzo and then some halloomi. So what we
like to do is we like to do half of
the halloomi in little cubes, and then the other half

(34:58):
we like to grate on top of everything.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah, yeah, before we put.

Speaker 13 (35:01):
It back in the oven for twenty minutes, so it
goes all delicious and golden and melted on. If you
are dairy free though, and you can't have pullumi, then
you can leave it out all together, or you can
find a dairy free cheese alternative. I also love adding
something like salmon and this, so you can chop up
some salmon into some cubes. You can add some chicken,

(35:22):
you can do pawns, you can do whitefish. There's so
many options, and yeah, pretty much on it's it's finished
the last twenty minutes in the oven, pull it out
and enjoy and put some herbs on top. I like
drizzling it with some tahini or any of your favorite dressings.
And you can keep it in the fridge for up
to four days. So grateful work lunches. If you want

(35:43):
to make one and freeze one, you can absolutely do
that as well. It's super freezer friendly, so just put
it in the freezer, covered, uncooked and then you just
have to chuck it in the oven after you pull
it up.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Oh fantastic. That sounds so good, just sounds like, yeah,
I reckon, Oh you're having it the next day as well.
Ah that's a really yeah, yeah, that would be like
a good little leftover lunch option. I reckon, make a
double serve for dinner and then away you go.

Speaker 13 (36:11):
You know, yeah, be intelligently lazy in the kitchen. And
not only you can, as you said, have some for
the next day, but it takes just as long to
make two as it does to make one, So yeah,
why not make two and freeze one and enjoy one?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
One hundred percent. Love your work, Roser, Thank you so much,
Thank you, and yeah, we will make sure that recipe
for a halloomy auso back trade bake is on the
news Talk zb website. And don't forget, of course that
you can hear more from the Two Raw Sisters on
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the Two Raw Sisters app, which is fantastic has all

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be through to midday today. New Zealand's leading contemporary dance company,
Black Grace, is celebrating thirty years this year, and then
new company B show Rage Rage is about to launch
at Auckland's Alt Hair Center, joining us from Black Grace.
At Lander's production is the show creator Leaky Jackson bought Or,

(39:37):
co creator Leaky Jackson Bork, and dance talent Justice calum
Or calder Korder. I thank you for being with us
this morning. Let's start off with you, Lecky tell us
about Rage Rage.

Speaker 12 (39:50):
Good morning jack, Good morning listeners. Rage Rage is an
exploration by company B under Black Grace, and it's pretty
much a multidisciplinary works. There's contemporary dance, there's acting, there's singing,
there's some physical theater, and it's all around the concept
of rage and how we feel rage in different kind

(40:11):
of capacities. We explore a lot of different things. We
look at local issues, national issues, and international things that
are happening around the world, so that all of that
informs the work and the exploration. And yeah, we put
it together in a fancy one hour show and it's
there's something for everybody.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, I mean, there's lots to be enraged about at
the moment. But is it like explicit the things that
you are performing about, Like, is it obvious the kind
of things that you are enraged by?

Speaker 12 (40:42):
Yes, I think people will kind of get the themes
we're trying to work with without giving the show yeah
too much, but it's there's something that's relatable to everyone
who comes to watch.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, so justice, tell us about your role. You have
finished up at toy Facadi last year and this is
like a bit of a kind of multi disciplinary show, right,
So you're acting, you're using kind of you're dancing. There's
singing as well as Yeah, so so the whole range
of stuff. Tell us about your role.

Speaker 14 (41:13):
Yeah, so this, I feel like the process is completely
new to me. In terms of the dance aspect. I've
never really been in a process where it's you know,
it's everything you expect from a higher caliber dance company
such as Blackgress. You know, it's it's physical, it's challenging,
and you know it requires the very best. But yeah,

(41:35):
I think I'm just one of many artists just trying
to portray the image within this show. And yeah, that's
pretty much my role to say. I do obviously singing
it and perform and dancing.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
It sounds quite fun, is it like, do you come
from a big dance background?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
No, yeah, no not at all.

Speaker 12 (42:00):
He's being very humble here.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
No, No, no, I actually I actually don't. I've well,
you used to like dance thing as a kid, right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.

Speaker 14 (42:09):
I grew up watching all the step ups and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah yeah, but it's a different thing when you're when
you're performing with Black Grayce's covey Bait. Yeah, that's a
let's a stiff up. So what's it like coming into
that environment?

Speaker 6 (42:23):
Oh it was.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
It was an eye opener for sure.

Speaker 14 (42:25):
I feel like, you know, there's from the outside perspective,
it's like, oh yeah, you know black races and things,
blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
But I feel like it's a bit.

Speaker 14 (42:35):
Hard to explain to people just how you know, how
fast paced the rehearsals are and you know how much
it requires of you unless you're in the room itself,
you know, experiencing that for yourself, and you know, it's
been it's been amazing.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, sure, but good so yeah, but good. So Like
as you finish up and you're like you're you're physically
really like muscular sore or like slapping yourself saw or like.

Speaker 14 (43:05):
Just musculine Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's been good.
I feel like the first rehearsal, you know, my body
was in the show was like, Oh my gosh, this
is crazy, and then you know, as time went on,
slowly started to adapt to it. And yeah, it's been
really Nicey has he been going?

Speaker 12 (43:21):
I think he's done an amazing job. I just when
you're watching Black Grace from the outside, you know, I
guess some people have called them the all Blacks of dance. Yeah,
you know, it's a very physical company. It's super physical.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
It's a lot yeah mentally physically, there's a high demand, and.

Speaker 12 (43:39):
I think for a lot of these new younger performers,
they've really adapted to the culture of Black Grace quite
fast or just just kind of had no choice.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
He was just.

Speaker 12 (43:49):
And when you're in your yeah, yeah, he's done great.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
So when you say the culture of Black Grace, Black
Gray's been around like thirty years this year, that is
crazy to me. But how would you how do you
think about the culture? How would you explain it to someone?
What distinguishes it? It's very unique and reflective of society
here and Alti at all. I think what makes us
different obviously is drawing on traditional kind of Moldi and

(44:16):
Pacific cultural heritage practices art forms, and then looking at
it with a content with contemporary training and a different lens,
and I think that unique blend of traditional and contemporary
as well. Yeah, and kind of defines Black Grace's style.
And it's real.

Speaker 12 (44:34):
It's real, fast paced, high edge cutting physical. If you've
been to a black show, a black race show, you've
probably you're probably sweeting in the audience watching the dancers
because there isn't a lot of time to breathe.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
No, it is, it's a lot, right, So for a
show like that, when you think about Black Grace being
like kind of distinguishing itself with the intensity of its shows,
and then you you call a show rage rage, how
do you how do you build nuance into that? How
do you do it? Or do you do you simply
do design a show where it's just like you know
what I'm in sense from the word go, everyone's just

(45:10):
going like one hundred percent from the word go.

Speaker 12 (45:13):
Yeah, Well, the show kind of builds builds around rage.
But I guess there's different layers so that and we
unpack what what that looks like for different people. Some
people experience rage and a you know, in a quiet
rage or in a real like still calm storm. So
we explore different variations of rage. So the whole thing

(45:33):
is not just high impact intents for an hour. There's
you know, there's some slow parts in it. There's some
there's a chance for our audiences to breathe and take stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And a little chance, yeah, a little choice. What do
you think about the kind of place of contemporary dance
in New Zealand right now?

Speaker 12 (45:49):
Well, that's a that's very loaded question.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Oh no, no, no, no, I mean I'm yeah, I'm
I'm well, here's here's what makes me think. In the
last few years, I mean, the last decade or so,
I feel like there's been such a surge in the
popularity of like modern kind of hip hop dance. Right
they think of the Royal family and what they've what
they've achieved, And I realized that you guys are operating

(46:14):
in different spaces. But I can imagine that a lot
of the people who are drawn to contemporary dance are
also drawn to that kind of dance, and I wonder
how that has influenced the place of Black Grace and
the place of contemporary dance more more broadly.

Speaker 12 (46:25):
Yeah, Honestly, from my own personal view and experience with
contemporary dance in New Zealand, I think it's a really
underappreciated art form. We're definitely a sports country. We're a
rugby culture country. As you said, hip hop is really
popular here in New Zealand. And I guess when when
we travel as Black Race overseas internationally, I see how

(46:46):
appreciated the art is by like Americans and stuff, the
art form, you know, like Americans love the kind of
work that we do and they hunger for it almost
And then we come back here and nobody knows who
we are, like you know this is there's a certain
market or a certain niche yeah here and I one
of the exciting things about Black Race is that have

(47:06):
been able to diversify our audiences and bringing different members
of different communities into the theater. So last year we
had a project and a lot of non a lot
of the non traditional contemporary dance audience came along to them.
I was really exciting. Like my brother who goes to nothing,
came to that and he was like, oh, I actually

(47:27):
really enjoyed it. That one was called the Gorilla Collection.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah nice. Yeah, so you you kind
of purposefully look at other ways to bring people in
and let them experience that. Yeah, previously.

Speaker 12 (47:40):
Absolutely, And I think the joy in having this cast,
this cast is so diverse. We've got a you know,
so there's a German in it, there's a Japanese girl,
there are some young pacifica kids in it. There's a
whole mix of different divers diverse ethnicities and and genders,
and so I think it's going to appeal to a
really wide audience.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, just as how is it working with those people? Amazing?

Speaker 14 (48:04):
It's I think the best part about it is is
that you know, just meeting people from different backgrounds and
getting to know them, you know, past the point of
just dance and getting to know them as a human being.
But yeah, they everyone in that room motivates me every day,
Like I I sometimes I just observe like they're worth

(48:26):
ethic and then it makes me want to work harder
in the room.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
So yeah, it's been really nice, even when you're just
being driven.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (48:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
So so do you think that when you think about
the kind of different performing streams that you might have
a future for you and you think about your training
get toy for CARDI like, how where how does dance
kind of feature in that? That's still a question.

Speaker 14 (48:53):
I'm still trying to figure out for myself at this stage.
I've always I've grown up loving you know, dance and
hip hop. Come from a hip hop background, but I've
also you know, found a new respectful contemporary dance and
that's what drove me to you know, audition for Company

(49:17):
B this year. I was, you know, it's a form
I've always respected, and you know, I for that I
knew was hard, but I've also wanted to you know,
my you know, just diving there and just try and
give it a crack. So yeah, again there's still a question.
I'm not quite sure where this power will take me,
but yeah, doors are open.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Lacky, you won the Bruce Mason Play Running Award last year. Congratulations.
How affirming is that for you?

Speaker 12 (49:49):
Yeah, it's it's it's really humbling. It's awesome to know
that I've been recognized for the plays that I've written,
but it also.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It's an ode to.

Speaker 12 (50:05):
My parents and my grandparents and their early investment in
my education and you know, me from a young age,
I have no formal training as a writer. Yeah, yeah,
I won the Bruce.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
That's pretty cool. Yeah, when you say, it's you know,
to kind of like tribute to the efforts that they
put in. What do you mean, like they they encouraged
storytelling kind of.

Speaker 12 (50:28):
Yeah, storytelling has kind of been always present in our family,
and my grandpa was huge in education. And I guess,
like what motivates me to write and to tell stories
as knowing that he grew up in a different New Zealand. Yeah,
then I did. He grew up here in the nineteen seventies,
which looked much different for Pacific Island people at the time.

(50:49):
And so when I think about my grandpa having to
suppress his language and how does identity, I'm like, I
don't have to do that.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Now.

Speaker 12 (50:55):
I'm privileged. I get to like celebrate, I get to
shine and celebrate and put my language and our stories
on stage on mainstream platforms, which is awesome.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (51:05):
Yeah, that's what I mean by being a dedication to
their struggle.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Oh that's so special. Okay, we're almost out of time,
so give us the patch. Why should people, maybe even
people who haven't seen a Black Gray Show in years
or if ever before, why should they headlong to rage?

Speaker 6 (51:21):
Rage?

Speaker 12 (51:24):
Do you want to get first?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Come along to rage?

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Rage?

Speaker 12 (51:28):
It's reflective of our society and everything we see and
experience here and ulti at all as well as internationally.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
And I think.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
If contemporary dance kind of isn't your thing, storytelling might
be your thing. And so there's a powerful story in it.
There are a lot of different perspectives to explore. And yeah,
we invite you to come and have a conversation with us.
So don't just come for entertainment, come for all of
the storytelling. Even storytelling. Everybody loves a good story.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Yeah, Justice, anything you want to add, No, I think
Leaky hit it right on the money. I'll just add
it and say you can see Justice in a show
that he never thought he'd be performed Grace. It's his
first performance as a sort of semi professional dancer, so
you've got to see that at the very least. Yeah,
thank you so much, guys. Congratulations on the show and
all the very best. We really appreciate it. Leaky, Jackson

(52:19):
Bork and Justice, Color Law and of course Rage Rage
is going to be opening at Auckland's Altiar Center. It's
going to be showing June fourth and fifth. There's more
info at Black Grace dot co dot nz and we'll
have details on the news talks. He'd be website as well.

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So before eleven o'clock we're going to talk to our
personal finance expert about what the key we saver changes
mean for you. Plus someone to talk to our text
Bert about whether he thinks the genius behind the iPod design,
the iPad design, the Mac design can do it once again,

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even if he's not with Apple. So we'll lask that
very shortly. Right now, though, it is time to get
your screen time picks for this weekend. Tara Award has
three shows to recommend for us this morning. Colt to
Tara Yiada. Okay, let's begin with a new show on Netflix.
Tell us about Sirens.

Speaker 15 (53:22):
Yes, there's a new American drama that stars Julianne Moore,
Kevin Bacon, and Meghan Faihey from White Lotus. And it's
one of those glossy Netflix dramas that grabs you from
the first episode and just pulls you in. Meghan Fayhee
plays Devon, who is a bit of a mess. She's
been looking after her father who's just been diagnosed with Alzheimer's,
and she impulsively decides to go and visit her sister

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in New England and try and persuade her to come
home and help her look after their dad. She finds
her sister, Simone, working as the assistant to a billionaire
socialite who's played by Julian Moore, and Simon is caught
up in this world. She feels a bit like a
cult and she has this very creepy relationship with her boss,
and so Devon is determined to rescue her sister and

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work out why Julian Moore's character has so much power
over her. And it's hard not to compare Sirens to
the White Lotus because this is all about sort of
the whims of the wealthy and the power and balances
between the workers and the rich. It's set in this
glamorous Martha's Vineyard kind of world, and the relationship between
the two sisters is quite complicated and troubled. So you've

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got all the ingredients here for a great series. And
what I liked about this was it that it's got
the balance right between being a serious drama but also
being a little bit trashy, a little bit soapy, some
great twists and turns. You know, it is just enough
to keep you hot. And Julian Moore is so god
in this as well.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I really like this one.

Speaker 8 (54:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Nice, Okay cool. That's Sirens. So it's on Netflix on
Prime Video. Tell us about the new series of Nine
Perfect Strangers.

Speaker 15 (54:55):
Yeah, second season of this American drama about an unusual
wellness retreat. This is based on the book by Leanne
Moriarty and it stars Nicole Kidman who plays Marsha who
it's the leader of this boutique health and wellness retreat
and a bit like Julian Moore's character in Sirens, this
retreat has some colfish vibes to it. Nine strangers arrive

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at the retreat for a ten days stay. They are
expecting a healing sanctuary and to the chance to sort
out their big problems. But Marcia has her own agenda
and she's prepared to use her guests to make that happen.
And so the guests just find themselves dealing with a
whole lot of new problems and season one is filmed
in Barron Bay, but the second season is filmed in

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Austria in winter, so some beautiful scenery, but it feels
quite different to the first. It feels a lot darker
and more uneasy. Mark Strong, Murray Bartlett, and Christine Baranski
star in season two, so there's some great talent involved
in this. And Nicole Kin mins back as well. She's
still doing her Russian accent, which I find a little
bit distracted, because.

Speaker 16 (56:02):
Yes, we're here and there.

Speaker 15 (56:04):
But if you do like those Leanne Moriarty books, if
you like Big Little Lies or The Perfect Couple or
some of those other David E. Kelly adaptations, you'll like
this as well.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
So that's on Prime Video. Nine Perfect Strangers on Disney Plus.
Tucci in Italy.

Speaker 15 (56:20):
Yeah, something light and fabulous and delicious to finish with today.
This is a new food travel documentary series on Dassie Plus.
It's the latest from American actor Stanley Tucci, who has
made a name for himself in making award winning travel
documentary series about Italy, and this is his latest five
episodes and in each one he goes to a different

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region in Italy and delves into the food and the
connections to the land and the history of the region.
And because Stanley Tucci is part Italian, he speaks a language,
he's lived there. He's a real foodie. He just makes
it all come alive. And in the first episode he's
in Tuscany and he's eating different types of offal. He's
eading cow stomach and tongue and tripe and I tell

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you it looks delicious.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Yea.

Speaker 15 (57:05):
He talks to the she and the street stall owners
and the home cooks. You know, there's lots of variety
and it feels very authentic, and he's so interested in
what he's eating, and that passion and enthusiasm really comes across.
It's just a light, lovely, colorful show to escape a.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Bit of escapism. Yeah, nice, very good. Okay, So that's
Tucci in Italy. It's on Disney Plus nine, Perfect Strangers
is on Prime Video, Sirens is on Netflix and all
those shows are of course on the news talk z'db website. Hey,
thank you very much for your feedback. The messages continue
to flood in regarding superannuation and the pension in New
Zealand this morning. So Dean Flick me a note to

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say Jack. As far as I'm concerned, superannuation is one
of the many problems that Labor and New Zealand First
refused to deal with, and National doesn't deal with enough
the present super. The present superannuation as it's almost completely
funded out of current taxation, so it is therefore a benefit,
not a return on savings, should in my view, be
abated from a certain generous level of income until it pears.

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Those of us who don't need it should not get it,
much like the crazy universal winter heating subsidy, says Dean,
thank you for that. Dean, get this. I actually got
a message from a former New Zealand First MP who
has asked me not to say their name, so I
will respect that to say yes, Jack regarding superannuation. Changing

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the age of super from sixty five to sixty seven
would simply never fly with Winston Peters because he knows
it would lose the party votes, so he told us
that New Zealand First would never support it. You certainly
feel that Winston Peters does have a lot of influence
on this issue in particular, and I got a note
from Dan to say Jack. Comparing Australia, and New Zealand.
It's really interesting. When I retire in Australia, I would

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be unlikely to get the full government who beer due
to my high personal pension balance. For example, at one
point I was projected to have a four point five
million dollar balance in my own pension come retirement with
my nine percent company contribution soon to be twelve percent.
In New Zealand, my projection is nine hundred thousand dollars.
That's a big difference. He says though, that means testing

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in Australia does lead to a lot of avoidance, and
this is one of the problems with means testing when
it comes to means testing for super as opposed to
for the government's Key we Save a contribution because with
key we savor they can simply say, right, you know,
the IOD has that detail. How much income did you
have last year? Is it over one hundred and eighty grand? Right,
you're not getting the government contribution right. Ninety two ninety
two is the text number. If you want to send

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us a message this morning, you can email me as well.
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kind of internal politics in the music world, that he's
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for the sake of his integrity. Actually, he just said
that he started to kind of lose a sense of
who he was with some of the music he was creating.
So he's walking away with more than three hundred million
streams and he's released one final record for his fans.

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The album is called This Is Not What I Had
in Mind, An apt title given the circumstances. So our
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tracks and share a bit more about why Mitch has
made the decision to step away from music when he
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o'clock though, we're in the garden and route climb passed.

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This week has had an amazing experience as they released Key.
We on why Heckey island of all places, So he's
going to tell us about that twenty six to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

Speaker 17 (01:01:29):
Breakfast man, it's minister Nicola Willis is with us nineteen
year olds who are unemployed. You're going to mean to
test the parents.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I have talked to parents who say it's pretty tough
where Nicola.

Speaker 17 (01:01:39):
Don't play this game with me. It depends where are
you going to mean to test the mat? Is it
one eighty plus or is it a lot lower? And
a lot of parents are going to go I can't
afford to do that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
We only really want it to be in exceptional circumstances
because our base expectation is if you can't get a job,
you should be in training.

Speaker 8 (01:01:53):
You're talking much?

Speaker 17 (01:01:55):
How much, Nicola? How much does a parent have to
earn before you ping them? Should it be one eighty plus?

Speaker 8 (01:01:59):
Well, I actually think it should be less than that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:01):
Kebnat will obviously have to.

Speaker 17 (01:02:03):
Deliver it back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking
Breakfast with Avida Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Twenty three to eleven on Newstalk ZEDB. Apple's design guru
has announced he's going to be working with open Ai
full time. Open Ai, of course is the company behind
chat GPT, but this is a guy who designed the iPod,
the iMac and the iPhone. So our Textbert Paul Steenhouse
will have been watching this development with keen interest and

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is with us now. Paul, why is this such a
big deal?

Speaker 18 (01:02:33):
Well, because he created the devices that have changed our world,
haven't they? And he's just got such a great mind
for creating simple products that were really just the light
people they work, They yeah, and that's it. He was
Steve jobs right hand man like for all of those products,
and he stepped away from Apple quite a few years ago.

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He actually created and a design agency and partnered with
some interesting films. I don't think Airbnb was one of
his clients along the way. But two years ago he
created a company called Io. Now it's kind of a
little under the radar. It was actually funded in part
by open Ai. Then they've got a quarter share in
the company. Yeah, it's been kind of bubbling away under

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the surface and trying to figure out what the next
product could be, right, the next big product could be,
and how does it incorporate Ai. And what's really interesting
is open Ai has now said that they're purchasing all
of Io for six point five billion dollars according to Bloomberg.
Not a small amount of cash, right, but with that

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sort of money, you'd be thinking, okay, So that means
that Johnny Ive's going to be joining open ai as
a full time staff member.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
But here's where it's weird.

Speaker 18 (01:03:47):
He's not okay, But everybody else who's working on Io
is so effectively church gpt open Ai. They're going to
be getting now this new product that they're going to
be releasing, they're saying next year that they want to
ship to one hundred million users on day one. Wow,
mind blowing. But I is not going to be joining

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an opening eye full time. He's going to be kind
of almost like contracting. I think through his company, his agency,
which I just found was really weird. If you've put
a six point five billion dollar price tag, wouldn't you
think that like he'd be employee number whatever and you know,
your chief design officer. But no, he'll just be working
full time with them. And I think it's it's certainly
raddlesome people. And you know that because the Apple share

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price fell two percent on the news, and when you're
a harmony trillion dollar company, that is a rather large
amount of money. Because if Apple's not creating this product,
who is, Well, it very well could be him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
But he's put it, that's it. What is he making? Yeah,
and we don't know that yet.

Speaker 18 (01:04:52):
No details have been released about this at all, but
it's said to not be the iPhone killer. It's supposed
to be sitting beside your MacBook beside your iPhone. The
idea is that it will be a third device. Sam Oltman,
the CEO, is kind of said.

Speaker 16 (01:05:06):
So it's probably going to be a wearable.

Speaker 18 (01:05:09):
But apparently Sa Moltman isn't too interested in wearables. But
I kind of don't know what else is going to be. Yeah,
sort of a kind of more sophisticated paper paperweight that
sits on your desk, but it may very well. I
mean it needs connection to the Internet most likely, right,
so it's probably going to be through your iPhone or
through your computer or something along those lines.

Speaker 11 (01:05:29):
Guess, But no, no one knows anything about it.

Speaker 18 (01:05:31):
Of course the Internet's like tried to guess and are
thinking of a few things, but no, we know nothing
about it. But we just know that they want to
go big and they've got the design brain.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Of what this passed? Yeah, interesting a few decades to
be alongside them very quickly, Paul, So that's open a
eye side of things. Google has revealed its new products
for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 18 (01:05:54):
Yeah, so they had their big conference and three things
that stood up to me, Jack. Android is getting smart glasses,
So we don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:06:01):
Much about this apartment.

Speaker 18 (01:06:02):
It's called Project Aura, but they're going to deliver what
they're calling mixed reality through those smart classes, so I
imagine it's kind of augmented reality, right, because they're coming
equipped with microphones, cameras. Their Gemini AI integration is the
thing as well, so I guess you'll be able to
do the translate stuff and the what is that thing,
all that kind of stuff. Google Shopping is going to
get a new feature where it will let you try

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on an outfit using AI. So you take a full
body photo of yourself and Google says that it's figured
out the AI to work out human bodies, the nuances
of clothing, fabric, how they fold, streets, drape, all of
that kind of stuff, and you'll be able to see
what you'll look like in an outfit. Sounds pretty interesting.
And Gmail's smart replies are getting even smarter. They're going

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to start looking at other emails that you've received or ascending.
It will know who's been sending it to you, So
maybe the tone you send an email back to your
boss will be a little bit different than the yol
what up that you send to your friends. It's going
to have access to your Google Drive too, So I thought.

Speaker 11 (01:07:00):
Those are three things that are kind of interesting.

Speaker 18 (01:07:01):
But they had a stack of announcements obviously very AI.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Related days You can yeah, of course, hey, thanks, Paul,
appreciate it. As always called. Paul Stenhouse is our text Burt.
In a couple of minutes, we'll have our personal finance
expert to explain what the key we saver changes announced
in the budget are going to mean for you, and
then the new Kiwi on Wayhiki before eleven o'clock. Right
now it's eighteen to eleven.

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B sixteen to eleven. So it was kind of not
necessarily the centerpiece, but a big part of the government's budgets.
On Thursday, several changes, notable changes to the key we
Save a scheme. Lisa Dudson is our personal finance expert
and she's with us. Now, Hey Lisa, good morning Jack.
So let's run through a couple of these changes and
explain what they're going to mean for people. Let's start

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off with the contribution rate, so they're staggering the increase
from three percent up to four percent. It goes to
three and a half percent next year and then to
four percent by April twenty twenty eight. What's this going
to mean?

Speaker 10 (01:08:04):
Well, I actually think for most people it's going to
be a really good thing because because I guess it's
going to be growing their balances for the long term,
so that's you know, no one can really complain about that.
It also helps home buyers build up a bigger deposit
for their home. The challenge has been for you know,
some commentators believe it's going to be a little bit

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harder for those who are on a lower income to
be able to afford those full percent increases when they
come in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Yeah, I mean, can you understand how that might be
tricky for some people. But yeah, by staggering, hopefully you know,
they'll be able to make that transition. It's also going
to be a little bit harder for business as well,
of course, I mean this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Is good, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
Yeah, well yeah, and given you times are tough and
we're still in a bit of a cost of living crisis,
so you know, I think, you know, it's trying to
balance that short term versus long term, right because on
one hand we kind of go, we're things are a
bit tough at the moment, just but on the other hand,
we're going, well, if we don't start contributing more to
our super then we're having hard time financially. You know,

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we post that five so you know, it's just trying
to find the balance. And interestingly, when you compare it
to Australia who started it sort of three to four
percent in nineteen ninety two. It took them almost twenty
years to start to increase it to nine percent, and
then now it's July. I think it is twelve and July. Yeah,
So that's kind of where we need to be heading.
And I guess once these changes come in, we'll be

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at eight between the employee or closet eight between the
employee and the employer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
So we're you know, we're getting there twelve percent. You
think about that like a quarter of you know, if
you have a twelve percent employee salary, twelve percent contribution
from the employer as well, you're looking at a quarter
of your salary.

Speaker 10 (01:09:44):
And I checked if not, yeah, I know, if I
needed yeah here, oh yeah, okay, I checked.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I checked out the tax rates too, for the for
the employer contribution and for most people I think, you know,
depending on incomes, most people would be taxed less on
the employer contributions in Australia than they would in New
Zealand as well, which is interesting. So the scheme's being
extended now from to sixteen and seventeen year olds, so
you get automatically enrolled in, can we say for at eighteen,

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but you can voluntarily opt in a little bit earlier.
That's going to be a good thing, right, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:10:16):
Because you have a couple of extra years to sort
of build towards your home deposit or you and or
you know, your future retirement pot of money.

Speaker 13 (01:10:24):
So you know, that's great.

Speaker 10 (01:10:25):
I think the other side effect is that might be
that younger people are starting to get a sense of,
you know, how the financial world works from it slightly
younger age, So that can't be bad. So I think
I think most of we should be pretty happy about
that new policy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
What do you think about the government contribution changes though?

Speaker 10 (01:10:46):
Ah, you know, again it's you know, as always trying
to find that balance between different people circumstances. But I think,
you know, they're trying to save the money overall. I
guess the government's trying to be a bit more fiscally
responsible because they realize that there's been more money going
out and coming in the last couple of years, and
sometimes that comes home to roost. So you know, for
some people it's not necessarily you're not ideal, you know,

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the effect cost for most people if they are contributing
to QPSABER Its two hundred and sixty dollars a year
doesn't sound like a lot, but it does aid up
over time. You know, for those under one hundred and
eighty thousand, it's been paid over one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars, they lose it all together. Is it really
going to make a difference to people earning that high
level of income? No, so maybe not necessarily ideal, but

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you know, you can't have everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. It's gonna be fascinating to see
how it all, you know, unfolds over the next months
and years. Thank you very much, Lisa. Important to point
out too that I think the big changes for the contribution,
for the government contribution, they don't come into effect until
next year. So at the moment, if you haven't if
you like, if you're self employed, for example, and you
want the government contribution, you could go in and do

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the minimum or do the do the one and forty
two dollars. I think it's by the end of June,
and if you've got it in on time. So long
as you've got it in on time, you will get
the maximum government contribution for this year, which is what
five hundred and twenty one dollars, So next year it'll
be different, but you get the maximum contribution five hundred
and twenty one dollars this year, so long as you

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make that contribution on time. It is eleven to eleven.
You were Jack Taime on News doorgs E'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Road Climb Past is our man in the garden. He's
here with us this morning.

Speaker 8 (01:12:31):
Hey, road hate Jack.

Speaker 16 (01:12:34):
I should have been in the garden because I just
realized this was the Britannic Gardens Week.

Speaker 8 (01:12:40):
It finishes tomorrow, and it totally went under my rate.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
What do we do for Potanna Gardens Week? We just
go to the Botanna Gardens.

Speaker 16 (01:12:48):
Yeah, but also you'll find that they have most of
the good Britennic gardens that are part of it, will
have very good trees and shrubs and plants to show,
which are really important things for New Zealand's flora, if
you know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:01):
Yeah, yeah, fauna and flora.

Speaker 16 (01:13:03):
So that that's you know, with Gaca beak and short
blue spurge and things like that. But also missiletes I
saw I missed the missiletoe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Oh never mind, I'm sorry. Yeah, oh, because the missiletes
it's quite rare, eh, it can be are not that
ray of.

Speaker 16 (01:13:19):
Chi indeed, but they are parasitic plants.

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
And then itself is quite weird and then you are yeah.
But instead last week I went and knocked around with kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, and how good. So I had no idea about
this until you drew my attention to it. But they
have released Kiwi on way Hiki Island.

Speaker 8 (01:13:39):
Yeah, we did that last Friday.

Speaker 16 (01:13:41):
Indeed, it was a really big lot of enthusiastic restoration
organizations and it was started years and years decades ago
by me made the late Sir Robert Finnick. He was
a name in conservation and his wife Lady Finnick, Lady Jenny,
so so he started it off and for me it
was quite actually emotional because Rob and I were always

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talking about doing this and here it.

Speaker 8 (01:14:06):
It was amazing. Ten birds were translocated from Panui Island which.

Speaker 16 (01:14:11):
Is next door to to Onehiki and and they were
literally that was that was unbelievable. There were groups like
Safety Key we did trust that I'm bad off, but
also Nati Power and Nightiki Tamaki, Whitehiki, doc Po, Neuwie
Island landowners, volunteers and primary school kids of course, because

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I trained those to be Kiwi.

Speaker 8 (01:14:39):
If you're like Kiwi helpers for the rest of the life,
that what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
So where do they go on the island. I mean
presumably well down in the middle of enjoying.

Speaker 8 (01:14:49):
They will be there. They will be going there.

Speaker 16 (01:14:52):
Really, I'm quite I'm quite convinced they well, yeah, amazing,
they will.

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:14:57):
But in the meantime, those ten were we were put
on the east coast, on the south where Robin Jenny
used to live actually, and that it's a fabulously predative
free forest with really nice, nice vegetation and things like that.
But they do go to urban areas because we've got

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them in all sorts of urban areas, places like fakatani
and fugging.

Speaker 8 (01:15:22):
Their heads and things like that.

Speaker 17 (01:15:24):
There you go.

Speaker 16 (01:15:24):
But anyway, in an urban area, what do you think
jack is the most dangerous animal for a Kiwi in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
An urban area, I would say, ah, as a rat
or as a dog. It'll be a dog.

Speaker 16 (01:15:37):
It's definitely as a dog. And there something like sixteen
hundred dogs on the island. So what I did over
the last couple of months, or actually last year, I
talked to the kids about them becoming my kiwi if
you like helpers by looking after actually explaining to people

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that have their dog off lead, you know, to say,
excuse me, do you know that they don't have wings
and therefore they don't the keel, and therefore all their
bones inside their body are not attached to each other.

Speaker 8 (01:16:11):
That means that even a small dog would put a
leg on top of a key, it can crusty inside
off the bird within. Yeah, it's sad stuff. Yeah, so
these kids are going to be my embassadors. And I
always this. You'll find this later on too. Try saying
no to a ten year old.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Yeah, no, it's good. It's a very little psychological trick there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
First, what can be a bit of a slightly confrontational,
awkward conversation. No, that's very wise. I mean, so do
you reckon like if you you know, if you look
at this, you're try and remove all bias from the equation.
Do you think we could get to a state where
we actually see kiwi and many more urban environments, because
I mean, we have native bush all around the country,

(01:16:56):
But you know it is it inconceivable we could have
Key Wei and the white Tuckety Rangers and that kind
of thing.

Speaker 16 (01:17:02):
Absolutely, We've We've got them in Wellington, We've got them
in Tara. Nikki at them in Nelson, now you know.
And as I said, what was that fuer ay heads.
They're just they're running around there. And the cool thing
was that that David Chamberlain, that landowner who literally donated
those kiwi. He wrote the most amazing little pros about,

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he said, because they'd had them on Pona since nineteen
sixty four. There fifteen hundred kiwi on that island. They
would say sometimes they wander into our houses and make
their prison stone by putting.

Speaker 8 (01:17:37):
Their beaks through the coursettes, et cetera. It's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yeah, oh that's so amazing. We're going to make sure
photos are on the news talks ZIB website. Thank you, Rhode.
It sounds like a really special day. Almost eleven o'clock.
News is next on Newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
ZIB Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going
through the weekend with Bpure dot cot on ins here
for high quality supplements NEWSTALKSBOD.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Morning Jack Tame with you through to midday on news
talk z b Ah. The pecker pickert is finally kicking off.
So last year it was I decided to get a
bird feeder at our place. I'm quite lucky. We've got uh, well,
we have what remains of several quiet, nice trees. Now
we've got quite a bit of greenery out the back
of my place in Auckland. And yeah, I've noticed a

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few native birds around the past to all that kind
of thing. But last year I finally pulled the trigger
and got a bird feeder, and it's just been amazing.
It's been one of these things that I've really kind
of been surprised by, like what joy it gives me
seeing the numberumber of native birds that come and feed
at my place. And of course over summer, the native

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birds that are you know, going and you know, drinking
from you know, various native plants don't need quite as
much of a top up. So I kept the pickapicker
out there for a while, that's the name of the
bird feeder. Keept it out there a while over summer,
but it wasn't getting a whole lot of action. And
I've been wondering about when to put it back up again,
and what kind of interest I'd have, And clearly the
birds have remembered from six months ago when they were

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last feeding. Because my goodness, the number of tui and toho,
you know, the silver eyes and wax eyes that come
and feed at my place. It's just such a joy.
My wife's been on at me a little bit. She
thinks I'm giving them more diabetes because I put too
much sugar and the sugar water. But if you can
get beyond that, it is just it's funny, right, You

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just had a time in life when, for whatever reason,
seeing native birds, seeing them regularly, it just gives you
such a kind of sense of serenity and joy.

Speaker 11 (01:20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
So anyway, the pecker pecker is back up at my place,
and I don't know what it is. It must just
be a seasonal thing. As soon as the leaves start
to change, the weather gets a little bit cooler, the
birds all get a little bit hungrier all of a sudden,
coming in for a feed that's a whole lot easier
than they might be finding without, it just becomes an

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attractive prospect for them. So they can't recommend it enough.
If you are considering getting a bird feeder at your place.
Now is the time to get it up. Feed the
native birds over winter, top them up a little bit
if they're getting a little bit peckish, and you will
not regret it. Coming up before midday. On news talks,
he'd be We're gonna have a listen to Mitch James.
He's playing his last ever concert tonight, which just seems

(01:20:47):
like a crazy thing to me. I'm not into these
New Zealand artists deciding to have last ever concerts. Yet
she had doing their last ever tour. Now Mitch James
saying he's performing his last ever concert. But basically he's
just absolutely fed up with things in the music world.
He has had a huge amount of success over the
last couple of years. He's been opening for Ed Sheeran

(01:21:07):
fans around the world, hundreds of thousands of streams, if
not millions of streams on or definitely millions of streams
on Spotify, and yet he's decided that he's sick of things.
He's actually stepping down for integrity reasons. So our music
review is going to tell us a little bit more
of the detail behind that. Plus we will pay you
play you a couple of her picks for best Mitch

(01:21:30):
James Tracks, and we'll play you some of his final
album as well. As well as that, we've got to
look at the first New Zealand book to go number
one this year, the latest from Catherine Chiggy. She is amazing,
so look forward to that. Right now though, it's ten
past eleven, Jack Team and time to catch up with
a clinical psychologists from Umbrella Wellbeing. Google Sutherland is with
us this morning. Hey doogle cure.

Speaker 19 (01:21:53):
Jack, how you're speaking my language with the with the
bird figure. We've got one like it's right, I can
see it right now. It's right outside our window and
we're lucky enough to get I just saw a Peter
Wocka waker before. But we also we daily get visits
from kaka oh.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
Do you yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
You see see that's because you're you're in Wellington, right,
So that's you get them in Wellington, you get them on.
You get the kraka on Wayhiki a little bit on
the golf islands and all. You don't get them in
Central Aukland very much. The thing I love about the
Kraka I reckon it's our most dinosaury bird like the
way that I don't know. So the way that it

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kind of holds, it holds its body and and shifts
its weight and stuff. There's something about the carca. I
just think it looks so dinosaurian.

Speaker 19 (01:22:43):
And the screeches that it makes. Yeah, it sounds like
it sounds like I imagine what a tear deck towards.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:22:50):
Yeah, Yeah, they are.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
They're wonderful. Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:22:54):
Some ability to see at night, I think too, because
we can hear them at night sometimes like in the
middle of night, and they'll be squawking and flying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
That's often I think, I wonder's the feeding time because
you can see them. That's when they often circle kind
of in the twilight a you know. So whether it's
or you know, that kind of witching hour is a
good time to be a carto. I think feeding feeding
in the wild. Yeah, that's a good time. Good time
for them to feed. Anyway. Glad that I'm not the
only one who gets I just get like a disproportionate

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sense of joy out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
And yeah, anyway, Hey, so last week or week ago now,
it was Pink Shirt Day, which is a day that
you know, as we know, promotes anti bullying measures, and
this morning we thought it'd be useful to talk talk
to you about workplace bullying because this is something that
affects a lot of people. And there's a study from

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Massive University, a twenty twenty three study that reports that
one in four people experience bullying at least monthly in
the workplace. So who was most affected?

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:23:58):
We know that people or the most effective sort of
groups of people in the workplace, and perhaps it's not
hugely surprise.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
I think it's minority groups depend and that the minority
will depend a little bit on who you're You know,
what you're who.

Speaker 19 (01:24:13):
Your workplace is made up of. But if you're in
a minority within your workplace, particularly, you're more likely to
be subject to bullying. Women and some particular sectors to healthcare,
it and also organizations where they have different like visible
layers of ranks. You know, you've got a uniform and

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you've got three pips on your shoulder, and that's better
than two pips, which is better than one.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
We know that those are environments where where bullying tends
to be.

Speaker 19 (01:24:42):
A bit more common, but they're one and four people
is a lot of people, and I think I think
it's still some people don't kind of quite realize they
think that bullying sort of ends in the school yard,
but no, it certainly continues on into the workplace and
have a major effect both on you know, people's mental
health and just productivity at work as well. If you're
always sort of worrying and looking over your shoulder, you

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do to work very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah, absolutely, So let's talk about practical advice should you
do if you see some you know, something at work
affecting other people that you think makes you kind of uncomfortable,
if you're kind of a you know, a bystander watching
what you think starts workplace bullying.

Speaker 19 (01:25:22):
Yeah, and look, we really encourage people to be what
we call active bystanders. Many people will know about the
sort of the passive bystander effect where because there's a
whole lot of people around, no individual takes any action
because it's always you know, we kind of think, oh,
somebody else would do it, somebody else would do it,
or or because no one else.

Speaker 12 (01:25:40):
Is doing it, I won't do it either.

Speaker 19 (01:25:42):
But so we really encourage people to be active by
standers where they can, and you do I acknowledge that
you do need to take into accounts. Where you are
in an organization, like a sure, second day on the job,
when you're the most junior person on the floor, it
will be pretty difficult for you to kind of go
up and talk to the boss and say, hey, that
sounds like bullying to me, sir.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:26:03):
So so God got four different things to do. Firstly,
there's the obvious thing, and you can just intervene and say, hey, look,
I'm really uncomfortable with this conversation and and maybe you
can I suggest that we that you go take a
pause and and we'll come back to it. So that's
the obvious one, is that you just step in them
say that you're uncomfortable. You could do if you're not

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quite comfortable doing that, you could do a kind of distract.
And what I mean by that is is is getting
the attention of the person that is often a person
that's being the victim of the bullying behavior. You know,
something like oh, hey, hey, Jack, I just I just
need to grab you for something. Sorry to interrupt, I
just need to grab you for something for a second.

(01:26:45):
So you kind of distract from this and kind of
get them out of it. Which which is you know
that that that's cool and that that can be helpful.
You might want to delegate, and that might be particularly
if you're feeling, you know, that there's a bit of
a power hierarchy at play here and you're at the bottom.
You might want to talk to a colleague or you know,

(01:27:05):
a senior or maybe even your manager or your leader,
just to you know, somebody who you feel has got
a little bit more sway in the situation. And then lastly,
you can always delay it, like you know, if you
if particularly you know how sometimes you kind of see
it a behavior in the workplace and it feels uncomfortable,
but you're not quite sure what to do, and then you're.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Well off for the rest of the day. You go,
I really think I should Yeah, I really think I
should do something, so, you know, act on that urge
and go and.

Speaker 19 (01:27:36):
Perhaps talk to the person that was that was being
bellied in and just ask them about it and if
there's anything you can do to support it. So I think,
you know, really wanting to encourage people to be active
and make active choices rather than just ignore it or
make the other thing that we hear often as people
making excuses you know, it's like, oh, you know, just

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choosing a random name, Oh, that's just Winston.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
He's away that you'll just kind of get used to it,
you know, it's like, oh do we get just get
used to that sort of So just chouraging people to
sort of to act.

Speaker 19 (01:28:10):
You know, you you've had your pink cupcakes Friday week ago,
and that's great for all raising awareness. But let's let's
not let it end there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Let's let's make pink shirt Day the start of something
that you can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Actively do at your play.

Speaker 6 (01:28:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
I think that makes a lot of sense, I reckon,
Given Kiwis aren't always the best at being confrontational, the
distraction could be a good option.

Speaker 19 (01:28:32):
Yeah, absolutely, I think that fits off and well with us. Right,
so we don't we're not necessarily great about jumping in. Yeah,
and and and and maybe you don't have to and
that's okay. But I think being active just not letting
it go as.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
The critical part.

Speaker 6 (01:28:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Hey, thanks, Doigle appreciated. It is always Google Sutherland is
a clinical psychologist with Umbrella well Being and a couple
of minutes on news talks. He'd be our travel correspondent.
Is in he's looking at some of the regenerative tourism
in Glenorchy, down in off lake Walktempa in a couple
of minutes, a beautiful part of the county. Eighteen past
eleven on News Dogs, he'd be travel with Windy Woo Tours.

Speaker 8 (01:29:11):
Where the World is Yours book Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Travel correspondent Mike Yardley is with us this morning, focusing
on the duel in Tauaipo Namu, the South Island that
is Glenorchy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Hi, Mike, you order Jack, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
You know, Glenorchy has long been lauded for its kind
of eco conscious brand of tourism, but is it noticeable.

Speaker 20 (01:29:33):
It's all encompassing, Jack, Yeah, they proudly strut the eco
stripes and I think rightly so, because it's such a
close knit village, as you know, and sustainability just seems
to be steeped in the DNA. It's a really good
fit as well, because unlike the buzz and bling of Queenstown,
Glenorchy is like this antidote. It's all just so restorative

(01:29:56):
and rusty and you get there and one of the
latest community buy ins to this whole sustainability ethos is astrotourism,
which is a very good fit, you know, in terms
of a regenerative approach to tourism. So the Glenorky area
has just become in the last couple of months, the
world's twenty third International Dark Sky Century, So.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
That's also very good for the bird life. You know,
the birds don't like too much light pollution. So it's oh,
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
So that does that mean we have two? Or do
we have more than two? Because we've got tike a
pore as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Right, we do, yes, And then we've got reserve, so
I think great barrier.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Oh yeah, right, that makes sense.

Speaker 20 (01:30:37):
I think that's a dark sky reserve. Yes, oh yeah,
we've got all these sort of like yeah sort of yeah,
great places to see the star.

Speaker 6 (01:30:46):
Yeah, nicely.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
So why is missus woollly so popular?

Speaker 20 (01:30:49):
Yeah, well, right on the entrance to the village, this place,
Missus Woolli's is like a hymn to localism and craft
and community spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
So it's an emporium of goodness.

Speaker 20 (01:31:01):
It's part general store, part cafe, park gift shop, and
the selection of local wall products is absolutely superb, nearly
as good jack as the full Monty Gelato Sundays, which
they served them in a handmade waffled cup, very very
much recommended, and all profits from the sales at.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Missus Woolli's benefit.

Speaker 20 (01:31:24):
The local community Trust are really big into giving backwau
oh nice.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
If you go for a jetboat down the Dark River,
how does that compare to some of the other rivers
in the region. What can you expect?

Speaker 20 (01:31:35):
Well, it's a cranking ramp to the river's upper reaches
and you've got mounta spiring National Park and roving you
as you go. The traverse is massive ninety kilometers, so
you actually reach the heart of the main divide in
the peaks don the names of Greek gods. You've got
Pluto and Chaos and Poseidon layering down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
But for the Knight tahou jack I found this fascinating.

Speaker 20 (01:32:01):
Their oral history suggests they first discovered Ponamu here hundreds
of years ago at Quarterca, which is this mountain shaped
like a reclining giant and a huge seam of greenstone
tumbled from its side. So this is close to Mount Ernslaw.
Nahu consider ERNs Law as the guardian of the precious stone.

(01:32:25):
So yeah, all of this predates the West Coast Greenstone Trade,
which I found absolutely illuminating, so really rich Misty history.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
See, I don't know that I knew that that. I
think I always thought the West co is going to
game first, right, but yeah, okay, very interesting. So Gonorky's
kind of a top tier destination for Middle Earth fans, right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:32:47):
So for something easy, you can always take a forest
walk in Paradise, always a crowd pleaser. And if you
want to walk in the footsteps of Bilbo Beggins and
friends as they strode out into the Misty mountains, head
to the Ernslaw Burn Track. This is a celestial slice
of Middle Earth. So the starring attraction on this track
are the cascading water falls in Mount Earnslaw's spectacular hanging Glacier.

(01:33:11):
It is a twenty seven k hike out and back,
so it is for the intrepid. Yeah, is tough climbs
and it's an all day affair, but you will not
regret it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Time Magazine ranked Headwater's Eco Lodge is one of the
world's greatest places, which is a pretty big call. So
what is all of us about?

Speaker 20 (01:33:29):
Yeah, yeah, I know those top one hundred lessons, they're
a bit dimond, doesn't, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
But but you know what, if you're coming on one
in Time magazine, you're taking it, aren't you? That's going
on the LinkedIn.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Yes, you certainly don't decline it. No, that's true. Headwater
is just gorgeous.

Speaker 20 (01:33:47):
So there's this handcrafted masterclass in sustainable design, extraordinary local arts.
I've got like this serpentine floor of mosaics of braided rivers.
I just loved that so much, upcycling, many of the
spaces within in the lodge that've been crafted from repurposed

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wall sheds.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
It's a net positive energy.

Speaker 20 (01:34:15):
Accommodation provider, which is pretty cool, and it certainly does
not skimp on comforts you are in like country duty,
country comfort galore.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Nice, nice. So what impress you the most.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Well, the beauty of it.

Speaker 20 (01:34:30):
It's a very woodsy lodge, lots of chalet scattered about
the grounds. And this was actually the first accommodation facility
ever to be built to Living Building Challenge standard, which
apparently embodies the world's most rigorous sustainability guideline.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
So it's right up there.

Speaker 20 (01:34:49):
But the other big impressors, whether you're staying in a
house or not make it booking for a chef's choice dinner.
This is all about locally harvested products. They've got a
massive kitchen garden, the chefs will go foraging all over
the country side around Glenorky. And best of all, this

(01:35:10):
beacon of regenerative tourism also gives back. So like missus Wallly's,
all profits from headwaters go back.

Speaker 6 (01:35:17):
To the local.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Oh so that's great. Yeah, that's so good. And so
when you're heading back to Queenstown heading north again, why
should you check out Bob's Cove.

Speaker 20 (01:35:25):
It's such a languid lakeside cove and you definitely need
to take a stroll in the forest by Bob's Cove
because you'll see firsthand the rewards of all of the
break baking, breack baking work that the local conservationists from
Southern Lake Sanctuary have done. So they've revegetated the cove
and natives, they've trapped thousands of predators. The BirdLife has

(01:35:48):
bounced back big time. That's what you really notice in
this trust. They do incredible work.

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
Jack.

Speaker 20 (01:35:53):
Just three months ago they released Tuckahee into Reeese Valley
just behind Glenorky. So they are doing God's work in Glenorky.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Yeah, oh it sounds so good. I'm actually down there
and a couple weeks. First time I've been to Glen
Orky and I reckon at least a decade, So yeah,
really looking forward to it. You've got to go to
headquarters for that dinner, Jack, Yes, yes, I would just
have to just help going and have a quiet conversation
with my wife and explain that there might be a
couple of weeks through expences on the credit cards you
might not have been expecting, but in mind. Hey, thank

(01:36:25):
you so much. We'll put all of those trips up
on the newstalk's 'be website of course, and catching in
next week.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
Mike, thank you. Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
That is Mike Aldi, our travel correspond and thank you
very much for your texts. Turns out I'm not the
only one who's got the bird feeder out at this
time of the year. Jack, We've got a few khaka
here in Murdy Why Jack, too much sugar and the
syrup for the birds attracts nasty wasps. I agree, it's
such a joy to watch the birds, especially the bell birds.
Have a great day, says Mal and Jack. I'll see

(01:36:52):
your fan tail and raise you or get this a
core cuckle on my front lawn. Wow, that's great. They're
bigger than they look on the pictures, says Ben Pim.
That's a North Island cor cuckle. Otherwise, when we need
to get the news talks, he'd be breaking news, sting
up and going. Ninety two is the text number if
you want to send me a message. It is just
coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on news.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Talks hed B.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
It is twenty eight minutes to twelve on News Talks.
He'd be after midday. Jason Pine is in the hot
seat for Weekend Sport and it's a bit of a
special show. He's on the road this morning. While sort
of on the road, it's the sort of show that
could get a little bit raucous. There could be a
little bit of background noise because he is going to
be broadcasting from Tyler Street, Sport and Brittamata ahead of
Auckland FC's second semi final leg this afternoon. Pioneer, how

(01:38:06):
is it.

Speaker 11 (01:38:06):
It's well at the moment, it's the calm before the storm.
I think you would say, Jackets, we're here at Tyler
Street Sport, official home of Auckland FC, and they're going
to open the doors around midday the port. The active support,
the most passionate supporters of Auckland f C are due
here from one o'clock this afternoon. Kickoff is at six tonight.

(01:38:27):
My show finishes, as I hope you know, at three.
So by the time my show finishes, I get the
feeling that the vibe, the background hubub shall we call it,
we'll start it will start to ramp up every so slightly,
which is what we want. We want to be at
a soak in a bit of the atmosphere. Beautiful day
here in Auckland. I mean, it could not be better

(01:38:48):
as far as our day to watch sport is concerned.
Down here at Tyler Street where we are, there's a
market outside, heaps of people around.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Just feels like there's a real buzz around town today. Jack, Yeah,
it's going to be a massive occasion. So what twenty
nine thousand I think they're expecting at go Media Stadium
And you would have to say after that performance it's
on the road. Last week, I mean you and I
said that a draw would be a victory, but that
it was a It was a one nill victory for
Auckland f C and a fairly dominant performance. So there

(01:39:17):
must be a sense of cautious optimism about tonight.

Speaker 11 (01:39:20):
I think that's a perfect way of describing it. Yet
they'll never get ahead of themselves. They'll never start thinking
about a Grand Final before they reached that Grand final.
But you're right off the back of what they did
last week, particularly keeping Melbourne Victory scoreless. Again, that's three
games now that Melbourn Victory have tried to score a
goal against Auckland f C and haven't been able to.
Look if that if they don't concede tonight, they make

(01:39:41):
the Grand Final. Auckland f C. That's as simple as
that really. But I'd expect them to do what they've
done all year and go out and try and win
the football MANA.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Yeah, because that was the thing. Like last week we thought,
oh male, maybe they'll just go in and you know,
kind of plays somewhat conservatively, but actually it felt like
both teams were just trying to slug each other.

Speaker 11 (01:39:57):
Yeah, it was a bit like that, wasn't it ends
Everything that Auckland FC threw at Melbourne Victory and vice versa.
Most of it was repelled. Yeah, the goal the keep
us themselves actually didn't have a heck of a lot
to do in terms of actual saves to make them. Yeah,
defenders in front of them who kind of did most
of the most of the dirty work, if you like.
But Logan Rogerson's goal could be absolutely pivotal. Look, I

(01:40:19):
just can't wait for this tonight. I think, you know,
first ever finals game on home soil for Auckland FC.
We know what a season they've had. Look, can they
take one more step to the Grand Final next week?
You certainly would not bet against it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Yeah, no, you wouldn't. It's going to be so much
fun there this afternoon. So what else is on the show?

Speaker 11 (01:40:35):
A little bit of other things as well. I mean,
obviously football is our focus. We've got a couple of
the top brass joining us after midday, a couple of
the players to Alex Pawson's on the show, Gigiamo Maai
and a couple of others. Also some rugby of course,
the Hurricane securing their place in the Super Rugby playoffs
last night beating the Reds in Brisbane, the Crusaders just
getting home against the Highlanders will cover that off and
motorsport supercars headed for lul Poona in christ Church. Yeah,

(01:40:59):
this is terrific news. Right to have a double header
for supercars in New Zealand from twenty twenty six onwards
for at least three years. We'll we'll dip into christ
You're just well and engage the reactions to that down there.
Heaps of time for people to join the show, either
here on site at Tyler Street Sport if they can
make it down, or just on the usual way of
via phone or text.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
So good Parney. I cannot wait for the game tonight.
I'll see you there of course, but enjoy being at
Tyler Street this afternoon because I reckon the atmosphere is
going to be something to behold, especially after the port
arrived from one o'clock this afternoon. So from one broadcaster
to another, good luck with that.

Speaker 11 (01:41:33):
Thanks, thanks Jack. I'll keep my head down.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Yes, yes, very well, Jason, fine with us. He's going
to have Weekend Sport Live from Tyler Street Sport and
Britam Mart the home of Auckland FC, their official bar
ahead of the Auckland FC second semi final. Six pm
tonight is kickoff in that game. Jason will be with
us right after the midday news on News Talks. He'd
be before twelve o'clock. We are going to celebrate Mitch
James ahead of his last show in christ You tonight

(01:41:58):
next up your book picks for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Twenty four to twelve, Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full
show podcast on iHeartRadio, News Talks EDB twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
To twelve on News Talks 'DB. Jack, can you share
what type of bird feeder you have? Yes, I'm not
being paid to say this. I've got a picker pecker.
I've talked about it before I tooked it. I think
it last year when I got a picker picker bird feeder. Basically,
it's just a bottle and it attaches. It's got to
be kind of attachment that goes in one of those
you know those black steaks, the metal steaks that you

(01:42:29):
can get from my to ten or Bunnings, you know
those like you can get a small one for ten
bucks maybe, And so the pecker picker attaches to that.
And there's a bottle with a little dripper that works
as a feeder, and then below it it has this
kind of a little cage in which you could put
some bird seed or put some old fruit or something

(01:42:49):
like that. Anyway, there you go, ninety two ninety two.
If you want to send me a message. Now it's
time to get your book picks. For this weekend. Kathin
Rains has two great reads for us, starting off with
the first New Zealand published book to hit number one
in twenty twenty five. And this won't come as a
great surprise, Catherine. It is Catherine Chidge's latest tell us
about the book of Guilt.

Speaker 21 (01:43:12):
It's fantastic, is what I'm going to start out saying.
But it's saved in the nineteen seventies and it follows
these three brothers who are living in a care home
in the New Forest, and they have these desires and hopes,
and they are triplets. They're Vincent, William and Lawrence, and
they've lived in a place called Scott House, named after
the explorer, since birth. And they're part of this project
called the Sycamore Project, which is this government funded scheme

(01:43:34):
to monitor particular children.

Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
And the boys are.

Speaker 21 (01:43:37):
Cared by three mothers named Morning, Afternoon and Night Mother,
and their actions are monitored and their dreams are recorded
in a book, and mister Miners are noted in the
Book of Guilt, and other children live in different sycamore homes,
and not all as it seems, and the residents believe
that when they reach a certain stage, they are sent
to this wonderful world of Margate to live life in

(01:43:58):
the big house. And the boys rarely leave this house,
but they have the odd visit to the village and
they meet this mister Webb, the local baker, and he
slips up and he says something that he shouldn't have,
and slowly the boys start to see the cracks in
their everyday lives and the facade that there's life, and
there's these links to some very dark historical events and

(01:44:19):
a sanity and obsession of experts and governments to create
these better societies. And the Book of gil is quite
shocking in this and it has this very almost creepy,
unsettling feeling as the story unfolds, and it is brilliantly written,
and it weaves you into this spellbinding tale and expiration
of this really interesting world where lives, some lives are

(01:44:44):
less valiant than others. And couldn't recommend it highly more highly?

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Yeah, that sounds so good Cathinigy is incredible. So yeah,
not surprised to hear that this is amazing. But the
Book of Guilt is out now and number one, the
first New Zealan published book at number one this year,
which is a real achievement. Next up, Nightshade by Michael Conley.

Speaker 21 (01:45:07):
So in this you meet a new protagonist La County Sheriff,
a guy called Detective Stillwell, and he was normally a
homicide detective on the mainland and then he's been sent
to this very rustic Catalina Island, and so you get
this backdrop of this island and following Detective Stillwell who's

(01:45:28):
been exiled effectively to this Catalina Island after pursuing a
close case that involved police corruption. But however, when he's
there on Catalina and these routine duties, he discovers this
woman's body in the harbor and it starts to draw
him into this very complex investigation and he's facing a
lot of criticism for his past mistakes, and his captain
actually ends up assigning this case to his enemy and

(01:45:50):
he's instead sort of pushed off to poaching and stolen
statue cases, and he's determined to get back involved in
this case and find a lead, and he ends up
pursuing it and ends up in some very unpredictable situations.
So you get this very dangerous storeline and this opportunity,
you know, to meet this new protagonist from Michael Connolly,

(01:46:10):
and he's a really complicated hero and he's this dogged
determination and moral center. And I think that fans of
Harry Bosh, who's Connolly's main character, will really enjoy this.
And he's planted some really good sort of hooks for
an ongoing series, and if he carries on with us,
I think it'll be very very good.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Nice, Okay, cool. So that's Nightshade by Michael Connelly, Catherine's
first book, the Book of Guilt by Catherine Chigi, and
both of those books will be on our website. Don't
forget anything that you hear on the radio will also
be online. So news talksb dot co dot m Z
ed Ford slash Jack is the easy way to go
to the homepage for our show and you'll find all

(01:46:48):
of our recommendations up there. Seventeen to twelve music by
Mitch James for you next.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
Know Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bfewer dot co
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Speaker 16 (01:47:02):
Be the very first moment locked in your you saw
me about love as you stand in the main you hold.

Speaker 8 (01:47:11):
In the hands of the new little life that showman.

Speaker 16 (01:47:19):
You bought me back calling I started to pray you held.

Speaker 6 (01:47:23):
Me in class is so sweet.

Speaker 9 (01:47:25):
Line of buddies when I started running, I know I
was running here.

Speaker 8 (01:47:35):
Start up the stormy of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
I'll have be.

Speaker 8 (01:47:42):
My mama and me.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Time passing by. That is Mitch James, Mama and me.
And it's a bit of a sort of sad day
for Mitch James fans. A celebration. I suppose he's performing
his last show tonight. It's gonna be in Christchitch's town Hall,
and you know it sort of brings to an end
a pretty extraordinary decade or so slightly more. I suppose

(01:48:08):
performing around the world, hundreds of millions of streams. Mitch
James has achieved so much, but he's not happy with
things at the moment. So Stelle Clifford Music Reviewers with
us this morning. Stelle, We're going to have a bit
of a listen to Mitch's album. This is not what
I had in mind named this is not what I
had in mind. In a couple of minutes, but yeah,

(01:48:30):
talk to us about why this is not what Mitch
had in mind.

Speaker 22 (01:48:34):
I think this is the perfect example of you, like,
do that hard graft at the start. Yeah, you decide
to go overseas, you do some couch surfing with your guitar,
your plavery gig known to man, and then suddenly you
get this contract and the whoolwind begins. You're releasing songs
number one, you're nominated for Song of the Year, you

(01:48:55):
are winning MTV europe Music Awards, and it's just you're
right in that rock and roll lifestyle, right, and it's
all full on. But then there's the business behind that.
And when you've signed up to a big label, they've
got expectations, they've got processes, and you become part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
You become a business, you become part of the machine
you do.

Speaker 22 (01:49:18):
And business and creative is always this real fine line
of how that works, right. I think that sometimes it
really quashes squashes a person's creativity processes. I think that
often you're signed as an artist because that's what you've
got and that's what they love. But you know, there's
an evolution of a person, there's an evolution of an artist,

(01:49:39):
and I think sometimes those contracts feel like they're keeping
them inside a square inside of box, and I think
you just wanted to branch out from that. Also, shoot,
its hard graft to make money and music and there's
pay in life to live.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
I mean, it's crazy. So I mean, he has had
more than three hundred million streams online and people who
think if you're getting three hundred million streams you should
be sorted, you should be said, that's not I mean
even less, even less. Yeah, they're right, yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:50:10):
Because the companies take the money. And again that's just
so hard on the creative industries. That needs to change.
Something needs to happen there, because someone's definitely filling their pockets,
but it's often not the artists. The artist is way
down the chain of people who get paid. And I
mean even for an independent artist, because Mitch has you know,
through his career ended up going independent and then he's
jumped on board with six sixties label for this final album.

(01:50:35):
But there's you know, it's still it is hard and
all you have to be touring constantly to be on
the road like twenty four to seven and how do
you live a life around that?

Speaker 6 (01:50:43):
Too?

Speaker 22 (01:50:43):
And I think he's just, you know, like he's checked himself.
And I think it's hard to park the ego sometimes
of loving that, you know, and you love that thrill
of people in a live setting and love new music
and the response you yet, but to park that ego
and go it's okay for me to do something else.
I can still love this and be this, but I'm
actually also going to do something else that makes me

(01:51:03):
feel passionate and happy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
I respect that, so, yeah, because it's really hard things
to do.

Speaker 22 (01:51:09):
Yeah, And I think that he needs to remember just
because he's not doing it right now or he's not
going to continue doing it for a while, it'll always
it's always him. It's always going to be a part
of him, and it maybe will come and go in
different ways. Althose skills will become so useful for something
else in his life. And that's exciting to me, you know,
Like I think I hope that he's excited too. I
imagine tonight's show is going to be a little bit

(01:51:32):
like that Mumma and Me song where it's like so
tender and beautiful and vulnerable and it makes you want
to cry, but you also kind of want to laugh
through life's journey. And I saw a couple of days
ago they released about fifty more standing tickets for the
town Hall in christ Church. I dare say they're gone.
It's going to be packed out to the to the broom.

(01:51:53):
And you know this this album is such a You
listen to it and you're like, why would you leave now?
But isn't it also great to leave on such a high?
And this is definitely some songs he's put together that
he loves that it's his artistory where it's all those tender,
vulnerable storytelling lyrics that he's renowned for that very relatable

(01:52:13):
because they're just life stories. I hope there's no showies
on stage tonight, Mitch James, but look that was that
was a phase also in some of your live shows.
But there'll be those moments too, right, And I think, yeah,
he's got some really cool songs, but this album just
captures all of those things that he's been as an artist.

(01:52:35):
It's really clever actually to have these eight final songs.
There are all of it. There's also a party song
which I know You're going to play a bit of
real soon called the Lads, and it summarizes what I mentioned.

Speaker 18 (01:52:46):
Tonight is going to be.

Speaker 22 (01:52:47):
We're here for a short time, that a long time,
here for some fun, you know, pour.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Some drinks, some mischief, hands of the.

Speaker 9 (01:52:56):
Cheeky too.

Speaker 22 (01:52:57):
And I like that he manages to get that personality
out and his music. I've really enjoyed listening to this album.
It's fun, it's a real It almost doesn't feel like
a full stop, but I totally get that. It's a
great place to also go. Check out this Last Firing album.
If you haven't seen the music video for Mama and
Me that you displayed, he did this real setup where

(01:53:18):
he was taking his mum into this hall to say,
I'm going to show you the music video for the
first time. It was actually the Danida and Symphony Orchestra
and him. They sat her down and they made the
music video right there and he's saying it to her.
I cannot watch that video without tearing up.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
It is so.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love that too.

Speaker 22 (01:53:40):
Here's a guy showing all his feelings and there will
be all of those tonight. That that gig if you're
lucky enough to go along to it, but you'll feel
it in this album too, So if you're not at
the gig, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 9 (01:53:49):
Listen to this album.

Speaker 22 (01:53:51):
Lyrics are beautiful, fully committed, His vocals are really great,
heat to catchy riffs. You know he's gonna have songs
now that are going to go on the charts. Yeah,
and you'll go off and do something else. And I
think that's really it's kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
So what did you give it?

Speaker 11 (01:54:05):
What did you give it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
This is not what I had in mind by Mitch Jane.

Speaker 22 (01:54:09):
Let's just see the Belton Yeah, go on, go on.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
You can hardly say a seven, right yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, ten?
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no, very good.

Speaker 6 (01:54:19):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
All right, Well, have a bit more of a listen
to a couple of minutes forget that the lads song
that you recommend. Thank you so much of stell Steale
Cliff is our music reviewer ten out of ten. But
this is not what I had in mind. And if
you're lucky enough to be going along to the christ
Church Town Hall this evening to see Mitch perform his
last show, make sure you have an awesome time. Seven
to twelve on News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
He'd be a cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday
mornings with Jack Day and VPWRE dot co dot inead
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Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
'b we are finishing up for another Saturday morning together
on News Talks. He'd be Jason Pine has the dream
gig this afternoon, certainly for a football fan. He's going
to be broadcasting live from Tyler Street Sport in Auckland's
Brita Art counting down to the Second League of Auckland's
Auckland FC semi final in the A League. They kick
off against Melbourne Victory at Go Media Stadium at six

(01:55:12):
pm tonight. Go the FC for everything from our show
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You can find us on Facebook as well by searching
Jack Tayne. Thanks to my awesome producer Libby. I'm back
with you next Saturday morning. Until then, this is Mitch James.
The song is called the Lads.

Speaker 9 (01:55:32):
You want to.

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
That's a good A good time, not a long time

(01:56:09):
seventeen I was messing Sunrise hold time. Do you want
to feel a lot to be? Not a long time?
Comes a classes your co signed.

Speaker 8 (01:56:24):
That's a good time?

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Do you want to feel a lot jots?

Speaker 13 (01:56:28):
Long time?

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
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