Full Show Podcast: 25 October 2025

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And New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to Newstalk's EDB.
Jack Tame with you through the midday today. Good news
just come through on the Tame Family Chat this morning.
A sense of relief on the Tame Family Chat. So
mum and Dad were in Hockey Ticket on the South
Island's West coast. They were there for a couple of
days this week and they had to drive back on Thursday.
But of course the weather was packing and so they thought,

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you know what, we're going to leave late on Wednesday. Instead,
they started driving Wednesday evening from Hockey Ticker back up
to Nelson and then to Golden Bay. The weather moved
faster than they were unfortunately, so by the time they
got to Murchison State Highway six had been closed. They thought, oh, well,
this will take twenty four hours, maybe maybe twelve. Who knows.

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The road crews work pretty quickly, and that part of
the country turns out took a whole lot longer than
they had expected. Three nights they spent stranded in Murchison
and look, Murchison is a great place, got some fascinating history,
some beautiful landscapes around there. But I think it's fair
to say that after three nights Mum and Dad were
keen to hit the road. So the good news on
the family chat this morning as I can confirm va

(01:49):
Mum and Dad that State Highway six between Murchison and
Nelson is officially open. They've managed to make it through
this morning, and I think feeling pretty relieved about that.
If you're in Southland Kui Colda today, we're going to
make sure we keep you up to speed with all
the updates from the various authorities as everyone continues to
feel the effects of that crazy weather this week. We've
got a busy show this morning, so our feature interview

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after ten o'clock is John Boyeger. John starred as Finn
in Star Wars The Force Awakens, and he's a bit
of an interesting figure because having starred in Star Wars,
he then spoke out in a way against the franchise.
I'm to tell you a bit more about that before ten.
He'll be with us right after ten o'clock this morning
as well as that we're focusing on another star on screen,

(02:33):
namely Bruce Springsteen. The new Springsteen film has just been released,
so our film reviewer has been to see Deliver Me
from Nowhere. She's going to give us her thoughts on
that biopic very shortly. Right now, it's nine minutes past nine.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Team.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
It was such a rookie mistake. I was tramping in
the Kahoudangi last summer, the Douglas Range, one thousand or
maybe twelve hundred meters above sea level. And after we'd
pitched a tent, as the sun got heavy and the
surrounding hills cast their shadows long and deep, I realized
that I had screwed up big time. What made the

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year so much worse was that it wasn't a bit
of absent minded forgetfulness on my part. I had carefully
considered my options before loading my pack. It wasn't that
I'd forgotten to bring long John's or pants. It's that
I'd chosen not to pack them. Up top, I had

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a polyprop jumper and jacket, but down bottom I had
shorts and nothing else. Of Course, the only way to
keep sand flies from biting is to keep moving, and
the last thing you feel like doing after eight or
ten hours of steady climbing is keep moving, as if

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to wallow in my own stupidity. I ended up treading
a middle ground, moving just enough so as not to rest,
but not enough to stop this sand flies from completely
devouring my calves. Still, I have had worse experiences with them.
I'll not forget my night at the mouth of the
Heathy River, where the swarms of sandflies were so thick

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they hung in the skies like pockets of buzzing black smoke.
Walking by, you had to make sure to close your
mouth so as not to catch a little bit of
extra protein on your way. And you know what, I
would still take a sand fly over a biting gnat.
I once chose to visit one of Utah's national parks

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on a Sunday, right in the middle of biting gnat season.
The locals call them moose flies, which I suppose could
be because they hang around moose, or just as feasibly
in my experience, because the gnats are a comparable size.
It wasn't just the itching that killed me, though my
bare legs were soon covered in blood from all of

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their bites. I returned to ult Lake City to discover
every pharmacy closed for the rest of the weekend, and
spent the night lying in a tepid bath trying to
stave off shock. Often it's the obvious downside to natural beauty.
If it's a beautiful natural landscape, there will be something
that will give you an itchy bite. At least, there

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is one place on Earth you could still safely wear shorts. Sure,
you might be a bit nippy striding down the streets
of Raykovic in your studies, but at the very least
you could be sure there were no sandflies. There were
no biting gnats, no midges, no moose flies, and no mossies.

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That was at least until this week. Scientists have confirmed
that for the first time, the world's deadliest creature has
reached the last country on Earth. Iceland officially has mosquitoes,
and while sure Iceland is not the Amazon, they're not

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at risk of a dingy fever outbreak anytime soon. You
can still safely leave the deat at home. The truth
is the discovery probably represents more than just an ecological quirk.
At an individual level, sure is a potential nuisance, especially
for those of us who like wearing shorts. But what

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confirming mosquitoes and Iceland says about the state of the
planet is probably far, far more serious. Jack Team ninety two.
Ninety two is the text number if you want to
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little number for a long weekend dinner before ten o'clock
this morning, our cook is in with a recipe for

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chicken with roasted grapes, which sounds fantastic. Kevin Melon's going
to kick us off for our Saturday together next right now,
it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning,
and this is news Dog's he'd be.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Why no been a way to kick off your weekend?
Then with Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team news Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Aaron has flicking you noticed he so often does on
Saturday mornings, to say Jack, sand flies give up after
a day or two. Mosquitoes are way more annoying in
my view. The different, hey, because the sand flies are
like the sand flies kind of hang around and swarms
and stuff. But you're totally right, Like you never hear
West Coasters moaning about sand flies. There's, for whatever reason,

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after a day or two you've kind of acclimatized, and
then they get sick of eating you. The thing about
samd fly's too, is that then they don't get you
at two o'clock in the morning. That's the thing that
kills me most about your mosquito, Like at two o'clock
in the morning and you just you know you're not
going to sleep. Christine says Jack. Your parents should have
stayed in hockey ticket lovely day here on Friday. Yes,

(07:56):
they should have, Christina. I think they learned that the
hard way. Ben says Jack. We lost power for two days.
Just goes to show how having a generator is an
absolutely essential piece of life these days. It's not a
want but a need. I'm shocked how many people weren't
prepared for this. Thanks Ben ninety two. If you want
to send us some message, if you are going to
flick us a text, don't forget the standard text costs apply.

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Right now, it is seventeen minutes past nine on news Talks,
he'd been Kevin Millon is here with us this morning, caller, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Yeah, curly, it's interesting that your parents got stranded in
Machison because our whole family, or when I sell our
whole family, Mum, dad and one of the kids got
stuck in the car go in the opposite direction when
a rock the side of a car landed down on
the highway and they closed the highway because they felt
that it was unsafe.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
And yeah, there was.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
A lot of discussion about whether Matchison was a great
place to get stuck in.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, I thought it was quite good.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
So hang on, did your family get stuck in Murchison
as well?

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Yeah, this week we got we got No, not this week, No, no,
this is about three years ago.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
That's good. It's so funny because basis with my family.
I mean, you know, they're c only so many people
of merchantin any one time.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, I bet they were saying in the same motel,
and they probably ate at the same tiny restaurant. Yes,
which we found very very satisfying, very satisfactory.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I stayed The last time I stayed at Murchison was
a couple of years ago before I was doing the
Old Ghost Road and I went and had a couple
of jars down at the local pub, and I'll tell
you what it was, talk about character and talk about characters.
I mean the pub happily near character characters were hanging
out there. But one thing I remember to is they
still had the PowerShell astrays, which I just turning about

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the hands at time.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Hope you didn't steal any No.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
No, no, I didn't know. It was very disciplined, but yeah, no.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Anyways, a very good motel there, like quite a new
one and large and very very cool. And that's the
main thing. You've got somewhere decent, you've got a decent bed,
you get stuck there. Yes, and I think we went
to a tiny little restaurant and the poor guy was
running out on his own.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
But it was beautiful, beautiful meal.

Speaker 7 (10:12):
It is.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's you know, it's a beautiful part of the country
as well. You know. The thing I always think about
Murchison and this is a little bit, a little bit bleak,
but do you know back it would have been probably
one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty years ago, there
was a local farmer who was really unhappy and so
he went and strapped some dynamite to himself and detonated

(10:35):
himself at the local court. Like it was. But it
was actually dare I say it is rather a grim
world first, but quite an extraordinary like yeah, you know,
I think they call it the Murchison Incident or the
Murchison tragedy or something like that. But yeah, it was
this really sort of quirky and quite macab piece of
New Zealand history.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Oh yeah, anyway, everybody from the south will will remember
the earthquake, even if you lived in.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Greater Absolutely, yeah, of course it has been. Yes, I
suppose it's just a part of the country where all
sorts of interesting historical little things.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Anyway, Kevin, you've got a story for us this morning
about a visit to the dentist.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Well, a very funny thing happened to me during the
wheat act. It all started a few weeks ago when
one of my wisdom teeth got a bit wobbly and
I decided it probably needed to come out, so I
went to the dentist. I have issues with dental extractions
because I'm on blood thinners, so I have to manage
my meds leading up to an extraction so I don't

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bleed too much when the tooth pulled out. But dentists
agreed that my wisdom teeth tooth should come out. But
she didn't want to be doing it herself. She pointed
out that, apart from the blood thinners, the steroids that
I'm also depended on can occasionally react to other drugs
used in dentistry. Anyway, she said she'd refer me on

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to an oral surgeon in Wellington who'd be better qualified
to manage my blood thinners and deal with any steroid
problems should they arise. His fees would be high, but
she felt it was a sense of option and I
agreed with it. A week or so later, I was
contact by the oral surgeon's reception an appointment made for yesterday. Meantime,

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I had to fill out a post operation instruction sheet,
a lengthy questionnaire outlining my personal details, my health issues,
my current medications, and my health insurance details. Again no
complaints about all this, except that it was turning into
the most lengthy and complex dental appointment I'd had in

(12:38):
my life, and my tooth wasn't getting any better. But
yesterday's specialist appointment never happened. On Thursday, my tooth fell out.
I touched it with my tongue and it just fell out.

Speaker 8 (12:53):
And while I.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Wouldn't want that to happen to all the rest of
my teeth, Jack. It seemed to me the perfect extraction,
no dentistry, no pain, no bleeding, no reactions, and no
bill out.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's there's a relief in a sense, although it's always
slightly disconcerting when things like that happen as well. And
how weird does it feel afterwards?

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yes, that's right, And as I say, yes, I wouldn't
mind that to go, I wouldn't mind rmit teeth to
disappear in the same way, but it certainly put an
end to the complications of that of that particular part.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Do you ask, do you know why it's why it
just fell out? Kevin, No, it's no sort of well
radio got around the mill, household or anything that you
haven't noticed.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, No, I think wisdom teeth can be a bit
like that. Yeah, because your guns at the back there,
when you get a bit older, they get a bit.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Ineffective.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah right, Okay, Well, look I'm glad at the very
least that it'll save you some pain. So thank you
for that, keep it for this this morning, and thank
you for your feedback. Jack Murchison is a fantastic place,
is Jackie. I totally agree, Jackie. Jack no power in
Riveton for the last forty eight hours. Now o food's
going bad. Just went to Inver Cargo were as sold
out of everything, including generators. Joan. We'll make sure we

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let you know if we hear anything from the authorities
about when power might be coming back on, because yeah,
that is getting pretty old, to say the least. So
we're thinking of you at the moment. Twenty three past nine,
on News Talks, he'd be our sport over with his
thoughts on the NPC final.

Speaker 9 (14:24):
Next, getting your Weekends started, It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on News talks.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
'd be back. In twenty sixteen, I had the great
pleasure and privilege of going to see Bruce Springsteen perform
at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, and at the time
it was his longest ever concert. So he played for
four hours. He and the E Street Band played for
four hours. I'm gonna be honest with you, it was
too long. By the end. I was like, I get it,

(14:57):
I get it. You know, is there anyone here from
a small town? Yep, yep, I think I got the
stack banks Bruce. Anyway, it was an amazing thing to attend,
you know. Anyway, it was. It was an amazing thing
to attend. I'm very grateful for it, but I'm also
grateful that I'm not going to another four hour concert anyway.
I've double checked the length of the Springsteen film, so
Springsteen Delivered Me from Nowhere is less than two and

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a half hours, so ninety minutes shorter than that concert
was at MetLife Stadium a couple of years ago. But
it stars Jeremy Allen White, the guy from The Bear.
It's actually kind of amazing how similar he and young
Bruce Springsteen look to each other. He's perfectly cast. So
we're going to get our film reviewers thoughts on that
biopic very shortly. Right now, they're time to catch it

(15:40):
up with our sporto Andrew Samil is him more sav jack.

Speaker 10 (15:46):
I'd love to go and see Springsteen in New Jersey.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
That would be one of it.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It was, it was. It was a bucket list thing,
although I'd.

Speaker 10 (15:51):
Rather go and seem at a smaller venue I think
than what is an eighty thousand seat stadium that unfl.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
It wasn't an intimate experience, but and yeah, like I
was like two hours deepasts like this has been amazing.
Two and a half hours, depauls like this really has
been a three and a half hours defas like you
know what I'm I think, yeah, I think.

Speaker 10 (16:12):
Maybe maybe he gets it.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Maybe he gets a cut of the food and beverage.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
So true, long year obviously the more you spend.

Speaker 10 (16:19):
Now my understanding is that actor didn't sing or doesn't sing,
and didn't play and he's never played guitar, and yeah
he's he does an outstanding job.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, well have you seen it. I've seen.

Speaker 10 (16:31):
I've seen enough snippets and you know how I've done
the late the late the late night TV show chat
circuit to go, gee, this guy's good.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
He's a I mean, he's a he's a bit of
a heart throb apparently Jeremy Allen White and so, and
he's got that thing, you know. Young Bruce Springsteen was
you know, kind of very fit and muscular and stuff
and sort of has the quite this is gonna sound weird,
but quite like a muscular neck. So when he's playing
and crying and and and singing and stuff, and on
stage often see like he's all he looks really fain

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popping out. That's it, you know what I mean. And
so he sort of got that look absolutely nail I
reckon anyway, speaking of.

Speaker 10 (17:10):
Speaking of baby, we were born to run Otago versus
Canterbury this afternoon in christ Church. I think, Jack, I
know who you'll be going for, and I'm as far
as the head's concerned, I'm sort of leaning a little
bit towards Canterbury because they've got a lot more super
rugby players in that team. They've got all blacks on
that team. They've got some big, big game experience, even

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though they haven't won the NPC for seven eight years.
I think it is there's that big game experience as
a hometown advantage. However, Gee, I've loved watching this Otago
team this year. Guys like Dylan Pledger, Lucas Casey, the
young flanker who are going to have long, long futures
in the game. They've been fantastic to watch. This Otago

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team reminds me of the side of the nineties who
won the title a couple of times.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
They play with.

Speaker 10 (18:01):
A lot of womp up front, but also play with
a lot of abandoned throwing the ball around out Why
so this should be a good game.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Should be a good game. Yeah, I think it'd be amazing.
And as much as, of course the hearts is Canterbury,
the heart also says that if Cannbury were to go
down and Otago were to get up, I'm not going
to lose a moment's sleep. I'd be I'd be delighted
for a Tiger if they did get up. Yeah, you know,
I'm still the loyalties aren't being tested as such, but

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it would be. It would be fantastic.

Speaker 10 (18:35):
I think my head, my head goes with Canterbury because
of that big game experience. But the heart rugby heart
would want to see you know, a province that hasn't
won it for nearly thirty years. Yeah, it only won
it twice in fifty years. Wouldn't mind seeing Otago? Would
It'd be great for the game in the South too.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
So how much are you reading into this situation with
Allback's assistant coach Jason Holland deciding not to hang around.

Speaker 11 (18:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (18:59):
Look, I think the bottom line is Jack if he
was still enjoying his role, yeah, and was offered another deal,
in which I'd imagine he would have been if he
was enjoying it. Look, I think Jason Hollands a pretty
good coach. He had he had some good a good
run with the Hurricanes, a super super rugby head coach.

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I think if he was enjoying the environment that overused word,
and if he was enjoying coaching and loving coaching at
that level, and let's face it, it's a coach's dream
job to be involved with your black somehow, he would
be staying on. I just don't think he's enjoying that
environment at the moment. And unfortunately I'm hearing that from
a few people right that things just continue not to

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click in this all Black side. Maybe they will on
this Grand Slam Tour, they get away from home, they
get away from it all four big big games in
a row, especially Ireland and England, maybe they'll win for
in a row and things will pick up. But I
just think given another season of almost one step forward

(20:06):
to Star, it's back, you know, I'm hearing that that
things are going to have to improve if this team
wants to keep on winning consistently.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, it's interesting. I will watch the space, I guess,
especially with that upcoming Northern Tour and pretty disappointing in
the end for the White fans missing the semi final
in the World Cup.

Speaker 10 (20:22):
Yeah, it's just just quickly on this. I think, look,
no matter how hard they work, and I'm sure they have.
They trained hard before the Cup and the you know,
the rain's been frustrating. Let's face it, I still don't
know if they would have made the top four even
if those games hadn't been rained off. I think it's
it's a numbers game jack at that level, and New
Zealand just doesn't have the playing base of these other nations. Yes,

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they'd continue to do well in the odd T twenty
match and the odd T twenty tournament, but one day
is more a test of cricketing depth and talent and
not only fifty overs, but then you move towards test matches,
which yeah, this team barely ever plays these days. If ever,

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it's a bigger test of depth and talent, and I
think this Whitefoon's team has.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Been found out. Will it improved in the future, I
hope so.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I do too. I enjoy the game this afternoon.
It's gonna be a busy afternoon because you've got AFC
Awkland FC playing at five pm I think, so, the
kickoff of the NBC Finals just after four, and then
yeah AFC at five o'clock Thank you very much, sayre
Andrew savil our Sporto with us there before ten o'clock.
We're in the kitchen. Our cook has a recipe for
roast chicken with grapes. I like that. I like just

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a little bit of like sweetness just to kind office things,
especially in the shoulder season.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
So she's going to share that with us very so.
Next up, though we've got your film picks for this weekend,
including our film reviewers. Thoughts on Springsteen. Right now, it's
twenty seven to ten.

Speaker 12 (21:55):
Start, well, is there anyone here from a small town?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I shouldn't be so for seasons. It's a classic. It's
an absolute classic. Twenty four minutes to ten, nine news
storks he'd be That is, of course, Bruce Springsteen and
Dancing in the Dark. Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewer.
She's here with us this morning.

Speaker 12 (22:26):
Killed her.

Speaker 13 (22:27):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I've been saying things that are going to get me
in trouble with Bruce Springsteen this morning, which is just
out of line, because I actually do really enjoy his
music and kind of much you know that he represents,
and I have been keenly waiting for the release of
this latest film to see how it would all go down.
So this is Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
She's what I want you to understand. This is not
about either one of us. This is not about the charts.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
This is about Bruce Springsteen, and these are the songs
that he wants to work on right now.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
So the latest and a bit of a line of
musical biopics.

Speaker 14 (23:14):
Yeah, it's just thing. You should say that. Actually, because
there wasn't a screening for this film, there was no
press screening, which is always a little concerning. So on
Thursday afternoon, I popped up to my local belido and
I snuck in the wind and watched this film. And
as I was going in, I was texting my son
and he said, I said I was going to see
this film, and he text me back to say, can't
wait to hear about the inevitable three star review. All

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music biopics deserve a little bit cheeky of him. Yeah,
but actually he hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
You're right, Jack.

Speaker 14 (23:41):
We have a lot of these films and they generally
do follow the same narrative beat. You have an artist
overcoming odds and making it. Then there's the dealing with
the price of fame and losing one thousand. These films
do have sort of a very familiar narrative beat to them,
and I think also the other problem with films like
this is there is a certain point where its actors
love to take them on because they often went awards

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for them. But also these films require a certain amount
of trying to you're partly impersonating someone that we know
and love so much, and especially someone who's still alive
like Bruce, who is just a legend, and sort of
trying to make the character your own and take us
on a story. So it is very, very tricky. Jeremy
Allen White, I think, does a really good job here

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of being a tortured artist. And I think, look, there's
only about three or four scenes where you see Bruce
playing on a stage. This is not like a big
kind of concert a film at all. But when he
does perform and the way he performs, he does capture
all Bruce Springsteen's mannerism, So he does. They start with
a shot of him on stage, They kind of do

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draw you in, but because he doesn't really look anything
like him and things, you're able to sort of step
back a little bit and go, Okay, I'm following the
story of this artist, rather than sitting there kind of
going this is Bruce. You know, yeah, it's quite good.
He doesn't quite look the same. But this is a
bit like a complete unknown in the sense that they've

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just narrowed down on a very specific time in Bruce's
long career. And it's set during the making of the
acoustic album Nebraska. So it's nineteen eighty one. Springsteen's in
his early thirties. He's just come off the hugely successful
River Tour. He's trying to settle back into New Jersey.
The pressure is on him to make a new album
to really, you know, profit on this momentum that he has.

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So there's that sort of commercial versus artistic theme in here,
artist theme in here. He's really just a bit lost.
He's burnt out, he's exhausted, he's back in his hometown.
He's having a lot of He's reminded a lot of
his childhood and Listen to Me is a bit ponderous.
In the film, we do a lot of flashbacks to
his childhood. We see his abusive and alcoholic father and

(25:49):
see the family life, and I think there's a bit
much of that. It's sort of just dragged the film down.
But we got the message. We didn't need to spend
so much time there. And this is all bearing down
on him and the demon starts sort of arising, and
he's making two albums that this is something I didn't
know you just played Dancing in the Dark off the
Born in the USA album released in nineteen ninety four,

(26:11):
recorded at the same time as Nebraska. So he was
in the studio recording these two completely separate albums. He
was recording this great carlor rock album, you know, at
the same time. He was completely obsessed. He didn't want
he just wanted to shout those songs. He says, I
can't deal with those songs, and of course the record companies.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Go there is after yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 (26:33):
He said, no, I'm obsessed with these songs that I
have to write as an artist and as a person.
It's a sorrow I have to write these songs on
the Nebraska album, And when he released it, he said,
no press, no singles, no nothing, just release it. And
of course, once again the Brical Company's tearing its hair
and it went to number three. And so it's really
so the problem with the film is we are following

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a man who is it's a very introbuted film. He
is sliding into depression. He is losing himself, and that's
something which is you know, hard to capture on screen.
So we really watch him making record in his bedroom. Now,
if you loved Rocketman, if you love Bohemian Rhapsody, if
you like those big, glossy, fun, lots of music kind

(27:14):
of biopics, this is not for you. This is a
very sort of small, insular film about a man slipping
into depression. And it is slow at times, and it
is ponderous at times. Personally, I quite enjoyed it. I
was quite happy to sit back and let it happen.
I love Bruce learned a bit from the movie. But
the sun's right, Jack, It's probably a three out of five.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Ah okay. Interesting. So what what is it about these
musical biopics at the moment, Because, I mean, we have
had so many, right, we've had But you had the
Bob Marley, you had the Amy Winehouse one. Like you say,
you had the Yeah, I mean there have been heabes.

Speaker 14 (27:53):
Well, we love these stories and they don't They are
great stories, and we love the music. I think a
lot of the time we go, you know, I walked
out like most people. Well and you put on Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, you kind of go. I don't know.

Speaker 14 (28:07):
I mean, I do think that they do tell great stories.
I just think we're and.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
They probably sell. They're probably selling to a bit of nostalgia,
you know.

Speaker 14 (28:14):
Yeah, Yeah, And I think we.

Speaker 11 (28:15):
I think we.

Speaker 14 (28:18):
I appreciate what directors Scott Cooper's tried to do here.
He has tried to do it a little bit differently
and present it to us a story about Bruce in
a little bit of a different manner.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, ah man, Okay, all right, well it sounds sounds interesting.
But yeah, three out of five?

Speaker 11 (28:32):
All right.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
So let's Springsteen delivered me from Nowhere. This is something
completely different. It's a film called Four Mothers.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Hello, hi, Edward.

Speaker 15 (28:41):
We decided to run away to Musk along with Pride
for three days and me from arms with you Abandons.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
The Mother belongs Pride of our Things. And this is
in cinemas later this week as part of the British
and Irish Film Festival. So tell us about four Mothers.

Speaker 14 (28:59):
Oh look, this is a real charm. This is just hilarious.
It's droll, it's a cubic wit. I was laughing at
loud the middle of this film started. It tells the
story of Edward. He's a thirty something Irish writer. He's
had huge success at home with the young adult novel
he's just released, and it's about to be launched in
America and they're anticipating it's going to be huge, so
they're planning a book tour. He's very excited. The only

(29:20):
problem is that Edward is the sole caretaker for his mother,
who's had a stroke. Resume can no longer talk, and
he's very torn between, you know, looking after his mother
and his career and things. And just as he's trying
to work all this out, three of his gay friends,
also exhausted from looking after their mother's ditch them on
edwards doorstep and head off to this pride long weekend
of fun. And it's this really great premise and this

(29:40):
fabulous setup for this cast. They will niggle at each
other and compete, and Edward's run ragged trying to cater
to them wall and get into their appointments and things.
So it's lots of fun, but also it's quite a
sweet film about aging about gay adults navigating the relationships
with their meddling mothers. And it explores grief and loneliness
and things. But look an absolute delight, great Irish humor

(30:02):
coming through here. British and Irish Film Festival kicks off
on the twenty ninth of October. It's going all around
the country in the nineteenth of November. There's lots to
look forward to.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh amazing, Yeah, okay, that sounds really good. So those
films once again. The first one is of course Springsteen
Delivered Me from Nowhere and Four Mothers is screening as
part of the British and Irish Film Festival. That's and
cinemas from Thursday of this week. We have all the
details for those on the news talks. He'd be website
after ten o'clock this morning as well. We're going to
stick with the film theme. Our feature interview is John Boyeger,

(30:33):
who played Finn in Star Wars, and he's an interesting
guy for a number of reasons. So he's played a
number of really interesting roles over the years, but having
been in the Star Wars Star Wars franchise and he
was part of the sequel trilogy. He then spoke out
against Star Wars. So he talked about Star Wars basically

(30:56):
being a series that almost entirely had white actors playing
in the big roles, and he is of African descent,
so he said he felt like he was well, certainly
a minority in the Star Wars films, but actually that
Star Wars hadn't prioritized roles for actors of color, and

(31:17):
he was, like I say, quite outspoken about it. He
was public about it, appeared in a documentary making that criticism.
So we'll ask John Boyeger about that a little bit
after ten o'clock when he joins us this morning. Thank
you so much for your feedback.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Thirty four years ago, me and my then boyfriend were
touring his UK parents around the South Island and on
our way back to Picton my car broke down just
outside Murchison, so we ended up staying in a basic
Murchison motel that even had a pool lough. My in
laws thought it was quaint and quite beautiful. Like you say,
the surroundings are absolutely gorgeous. I'm glad you folks are

(31:49):
home safely, says Helen. Thank you, Helen.

Speaker 12 (31:51):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
All my relatives are buried at Murchison's cemeteries. But of
a family town to us, says Andy, it is. It
is an amazing place, you know what. One of the
things that makes it unique is that it's about as
far as you can get, certainly in the South Island
from the ocean, isn't it. Because to get to the ocean,
you've either got to go north up to Nelson or

(32:13):
through the Ball of Gorge to the South Island's west coast,
So you are at least a couple of hours away,
probably two and a half two and a half hours
away from the ocean, which I should think in the
South Island is about as far from the ocean as
you can get. Of course, they've got the river through there,
so it's not like you don't have a water source.
And yeah, those hills through the Gorge are just amazing.
But yeah, thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two

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is our text number. If you want to send us
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grapes recipe Next.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Saturday morning with Jack Team keep him the conversation going
through the weekend the US talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I knew the moment I said that someone would correct me.
Here you go, Jack, Garston in Southland is the furthest
place from the sea. So okay, that's in terms of
the crow flies. And look, I don't think Murchison would
beat it necessarily. But how long does it take to
drive from Garston to the near nearest ocean. You could
head south, I guess, or you could head east out

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to Otago. I presume you can't quite get west there.
It would take a long time to get west because
you'd be clashing with Fjordland. But there you go. Garston
is the furthest place from the ocean. Thank you for that,
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(33:36):
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If you want to send us a message eleven to
ten on Newstalks, the'd be. Our cook is Nicky Wicks.

Speaker 16 (33:49):
She's with us this morning, held a good morning, Yeah,
good morning Jack.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Happy Labor Day weekend. This is a bit of a
sort of a key milestone on your culinary calendar.

Speaker 12 (33:59):
Isn't it. Oh why do we say, well, just as a.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Sort of a it's a you know, we're getting into
the warmer weather. Feels like there's no doubt we are
sort of fully ensconced in spring despite the weather of
this week.

Speaker 17 (34:13):
You know, it really is, and I know terrible weather,
you know, across parts of the country. But I always
think of Labor weekend as being the first in the
season of long weekends. I love that we've had a long,
hard road. It's probably much aniki, am I right? I
don't think we have one, since one today makes all
the difference. For some reason, even non cooks, I think,

(34:36):
feel as though they've just got a bit more spaciousness
in their weekend to maybe just slow down and enjoyed
cooking rather than throwing something together after work and all
that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
So I love that.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, and you have the perfect little shoulder season options
for us this morning.

Speaker 17 (34:51):
It's so lovely chicken with roasted grapes. So you just
this is just a one pan bake off, which I
just love. You can expand it, you can shrink it,
depending on how many people you've got around your table.
I just adore it. I use chicken sip. It's really great.
If you can find some with the bone and skin on.
Not always possible these days. Definitely bone and you can find,

(35:13):
but sometimes not the skin on. So you know, if
you can't, that's fine. But it's lovely to have those
those two things, and they're just a bit more juicy
two hundred degrees. It's a bit of a quick bake
this large roasting dish or a pan, depending on how
many you've got. It needs to be ove and proof obviously,
driddle in some olive oil, and then arrange your skin,
your chicken piece of skin side up. And then I've

(35:37):
got five hundred grams of red seedless grapes. I really
love a bit of sweet in my savory dishes. Not
everybody does, Jack, Some people don't like that sort of
apricot or date or prune or whatever. But I love it,
and grapes.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Are just perfect. Who doesn't like this? Who doesn't?

Speaker 13 (35:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (35:54):
Some people are like, oh.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
I love.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Some people.

Speaker 17 (35:59):
Yeah, So you can arrange the grapes around the chicken.
But I also sort of squish some. I take a
sort of fistfull of them and kind of pushed them
a little bit so that the juice comes out. Scatter
them around the chicken, Scatter over lots of garlic, six
cloves of garlic, a splash of red or white wine.
It doesn't really mats. I caught of a cup of
bat and quart of a cup of stock. You could

(36:19):
go a little bit of time. You could go a
little bit of roase me either one lots of salt
and pepper on there, and then cover it with foil,
pop it in the oven, roast it for about forty
to forty five minutes, take the foil off, and then
sort of cook it for another ten or fifteen minutes.
And that just makes sure that the chicken is obviously
cooked all through. But that skin goes beautiful golden brown.
But you should still have some syrup left over from

(36:41):
the wine and the stock and the grape juices. Serve
it was you know, salad. Just take the whole pat
to the table, serve it with a lovely bit of salad,
crusty bread to mop up the juices. Oh it's so good.

Speaker 13 (36:56):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, it's amazing. I think this could be a bit
of us this weekend nextly, just a little bit of
a little bit of extra time and I love that
him and a little sweet components. You'll be surprised to hear, Nicky.

Speaker 17 (37:11):
Oh well, you just never know who the people these days. Yeah, yeah,
you get one pain wonder and I love that on the
weekend because you don't want to spend your weekend doing dishes.
I just want some good sort of comfort food but
not too heavy at this time of the year.

Speaker 7 (37:23):
So there you go.

Speaker 17 (37:24):
That's my weekend, just for this weekend.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Thank you so much, Nicki. Nicky works there and like
I say, the recipe will be excuse me on the
newstalk'sb website. I just cannot get anything right this morning.
I did not think this would be a point of debate,
but I've had about three messages coming immediately and said Jack.
Cromwell is the town closest from the oceans in New Zealand.
North Burn Station just outside of Cromwell. I've quickly asked
chat GPT. Chat GPT says it's an area roughly halfway

(37:50):
between Cromwell and Renfurly. That's the furthest from the ocean.
I don't know if that's I don't know if that's
correct either. We're gonna have to commission a some sort
of a survey so we can get a definitive answer
on this, and aren't we I mean, either way, one
hundred and twenty k is from the nearest ocean. If
that's our pole of inaccessibility, it doesn't really compare to
some of the international onesday. I'll get to moorre your

(38:10):
feedback in a few minutes. Right now, it's six to.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Ten, giving you the inside scoop on All you need
to Know on Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks eDV.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
After ten o'clock on News Talks EDB, you've got our
screen time segment. So if you're looking for a good
show to watch or stream from the company you couch
this weekend, that is for you. We're going to tell
you about the show called The Ridge, which is a
psychological thriller that's set in both Scotland and New Zealand,
so it's a bit of a co production between like

(38:43):
the Scottish production companies in New Zealand. Ones sounds really interesting,
So I'm gonna give you some details on that very shortly.
John Boyege is our feature interview right after ten o'clock
Finn from the Star Wars sequel trilogy. He'll be with
us very shortly. News is next, though it's almost ten o'clock.
I'm Jack Taine. It's Saturday morning and this is News
Dogs eDV.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Cracking way to start Saturday Saturday morning with Jack tam
Youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
What any of you were?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Jack taim On News Talks. He'd be through the mid
day today. John Boyeger has a legendary status for his
ability to say he has fought with a lightsaber, stood
up to the Empire, and been an integral part of
a brand new generation of sci Fi and Star Wars stars.
He shot to famous former stormtrooper Finn in the Star
Wars sequel trilogy and has since carved out an amazing

(40:00):
career as an actor, producer, activist and storyteller with real purpose.
This weekend, John is in New Zealand for the Armagedney
Exposed Massive thirtieth anniversary event, and I caught up with
him just before he flew out to our shores. John,
good morning, how.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Are you doing.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I'm very well, thank you, delighted to be speaking with
you and delighted that you are making your way to
New Zealand. Have you been to New Zealand before?

Speaker 18 (40:25):
I've never been met, never, never been, so I'm very
very excited to go down there.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's one of those places that you only really come
here if you're coming here. It's not really on the
way to many places, you know.

Speaker 18 (40:37):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. But hence why
I've already dreamed of having a chance to come out
to New Zealand. To be honest with you, Yeah, ever
since Lord of the Rings and Chronicles not here, I'm
coming in with the more film mask kind of nostalgia
when I come.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
So I can't wait. I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Oh superb. Hey, Well, what are these events like from
your perspective? Because Armageddon to us is the kind of
the mecca fan event for you know, for New Zealanders.
But what is it like when you're there and you
come to a place like New Zealand. Does it give
you a new appreciation for the scale of fandom and

(41:17):
you know, the parts of the world and which you
are a huge name.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 18 (41:23):
I think it's it's yet to be normal to me
to be recognized by people who are so far away,
especially from where I grew up and my stomping ground.
So to be in a position where you can come
into a new territory, especially as far as New Zealand,
and someone knows your name and knows your work and
appreciates your work, I think that is something that I

(41:44):
actually don't get over, to be fair, I don't get
over that when I leave London and go down the
street and they do that, you know, so talkless of
New Zealand. I mean, it's shocking to see. If just
speaks to the fandom. You know, they love what they
love wherever they are.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Do you like it? Do you like it when people
come up to you and say, hey, John, John Jelle,
I loved you on this, and you're sort of thinking, oh,
I can just keep to myself here, I'm just going
about my book in general.

Speaker 18 (42:08):
In general, in general, I do and I definitely appreciate it.
But as you know, every individual case is different. It
just depends on the people and their approach and what
I'm doing. You know, if I've got you know, some
sandwich in my mouth and I'm eating with families, quite
different than them.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
I'm just out and about you know what I mean. Yeah,
So I've met, I've met.

Speaker 18 (42:27):
I've met people in all different types of circumstances and
most of the time they are absolutely just amazing.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
And I suppose when you're at Armageddon, like you just
you pick your moments for the sandwich.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Yeah, exactly, pick your moment. It's not about the sandwich.

Speaker 18 (42:40):
Yeah, because I'm curious, I'm always I Also, I'm at
a point where I do want people to stay tuned
into the work that I do. So events like arm
again and it brings fans together, and otherwise I wouldn't
have seen them.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
I'd only know them through the screen.

Speaker 18 (42:56):
And I think a more intimate experience with the people
you enjoy and the projects you enjoy.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
It's pretty cool for both parties.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
How well invested in the Star Wars universe were you
before you signed onto the films.

Speaker 18 (43:12):
I was really just a really big fan of it,
really invested. But just as a fan, I loved the
creative I loved dog George Lucas did with curating your
own story, producing it, getting it out there, pushing it
out and just creating something so huge and the way
one thing led to another for him was amazing and

(43:33):
I was one of those many kids that were impacted
by that effort with the with the Brandy. I grew
up in the prequels, but then after that went back
to the originals and then started in the sequels.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
So it's a fan's dream, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, I mean it really is. I just feel like
there can be few, you know, few franchises in the
world that have anything like the Star Wars following. So
how do you, like, how do you look at the
fandom for Star Wars now that you've been both a
fan and the star How has that experience kind of

(44:09):
changed your perspective?

Speaker 18 (44:11):
Well, you kind of know the inner workings of Star
Wars a bit more obviously when you work on it.
But it validates really and truly my reason for loving
the film so much and loving Star Wars so much,
to be honest, because there's so many amazing people behind
the scenes, unspoken for that do such magnificent work, and

(44:33):
if they didn't, then we wouldn't appreciate Star Wars in
the way in which we do. So give you a
new appreciation for the system and how everything kind of
has to come together. How we all have to collaborate
from different teams. I mean, the actors know how much
work is done and then to be behind the scenes
to witness it. It just makes you appreciate filmmaking and

(44:54):
being part of one of the biggest space operas of
all time made.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, that's a good way of thinking about today. I'm
speaking to actor John Boyeger who played Finn and Star
Wars The Force Awakens. He is coming to New Zealand
for arm again. I'm sure you're asked about this all
the time, but I think you made a really conscious
decision to hear both your appreciation for the franchise and

(45:19):
the series, but also some of your criticism from your
perspective of Star Wars. And you made the comments and
number one on the call sheet in which you talked
about Star Wars being I think you said it was,
you know, the most white, elite space and yeah, I
suppoke making comments like that are pretty brave for anyone

(45:39):
to be making. So can you talk us through your
thought process? Why did you decide to speak out as
you did.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I don't think. I don't think it's brave at all.

Speaker 18 (45:48):
Everybody that works on Star Wars are rich wealthy individuals
that are tasked with to tell the story of Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
And Luke and all the characters that come in. I
think it's just all saying what it is.

Speaker 18 (46:01):
I mean, there's not a lot of other people in
that level, especially since nineteen seventy seven, that are behind
the scenes of Star Wars and push the creative.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
So I'm just saying what's visible.

Speaker 18 (46:13):
Everybody knows that there are Star Wars has came out
at a very interesting time, and the addition of actors
of color and various other people into this has always
been a conversation. So I think me it's just more
so making sure everybody's inn actings if they don't see
what is very visible, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, yeah, I suppose The reason that struck me as
being braver is that I can imagine, you know, there
is the potential for a backlash, whether it's from fans
or whether it's from people in the industry or someone
like that. Given people feel so strongly about Star Wars,
I wonder that.

Speaker 18 (46:49):
It was The documentary was filmed a couple of years ago,
actually only just recently came out, so timeline wise, is
pretty much the same thing. I was saying from when
Star Wars was released and I was able to speak
about it. Honestly, it just so happened that documentary came
out a bit later, so people still think it's on

(47:09):
the same topic, and honestly, the whole conversation has moved on.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Moved on from that since because it's been.

Speaker 18 (47:17):
So long, and I know that they were kind of
like efforts by Lucasfilm to diversify her with with talent
and and to lean more into including everybody as much
people as possible, since Star Wars Welcome is so much
different alien species and creative characters. You know, Yeah, of
course we were thinking that would be the very least

(47:38):
of our issues.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
You know, they cloned Tyrone, who was just quite a
unique and special film, and I really loved it. I
wonder what was it about they cloned Tyrone that drew
you to that film.

Speaker 18 (47:56):
Jamie Fox being attached was very interesting because obviously, you know,
working with a legend was something that it's.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Definitely a positive, right you see the name Jemmy, You're like, yeah,
well look I'll read the script.

Speaker 18 (48:09):
Yeah, yeah, I'll read it. I'll just say yes first
and then I'll read it. Later to be honest with you.
So it was a good experience to just be given
a chance to start with some of the icons I
grew up watching. I think also Joelle Taylor was the
first time director, and I wanted to support his perspective,
his voice, his creativity, and I enjoy films that are

(48:31):
a bit more more brave in that sense, like I
enjoy movies that are not trying to be too censored
and be too aware.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I think that art is.

Speaker 18 (48:42):
Essentially some person, especially filmed art. It's just one person
telling you a story and saying, look what I thought
up or look at what happened. And I think Tyrone
represents the movie that's getting back to that culture where
you can have such controversial characters and still understand that
you're following a story and enjoy yourself, you know. So
I really enjoyed that project.

Speaker 8 (49:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
It's funny because you sort of think in the streaming age,
and they cloned Tyrone was was released on Netflix, but
in the streaming age you can see that from creators' perspectives,
there might be two different paths to go down when
you're when you're making films. So one path is that
you go, oh, my gosh, I've got access to the
entire world through streaming platforms, So I'm going to make

(49:26):
a piece of art that is kind of as banal
as possible, so that it appeals to the broadest possible
audience possible. But if you do that, you never make
anything great. And the other the other path is to go, Okay,
I've got access to the whole world. I'm going to say,
I'm going to make something that really appeals to me
as an artist, and it might be a bit quirky,

(49:47):
it might be a little bit unusual, but actually it's
going to be beloved because of it. And it feels
like that is perhaps the kind of path that Juelle
and that that Jamie and you took with they climed Tyrone.

Speaker 18 (49:59):
Yeah, definitely. It differently feels like a movie that grows
on people too. It came out a very difficult time also,
during the strikes, and a lot a lot was going on,
and I feel like a huge chunk of Tyrone's audience
was lost in that moment because of what was happening
with the strikes and the lack.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Of promotion for the project.

Speaker 18 (50:19):
But it really does stand on It's only two feet
as a movie that, as you said, it pushes barriers
and it's you know, Shoel Taylor's baby, and I think
that being a part of it and supporting him and
his first film was truly important.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Yeah, so you're coming to New Zealand for Armagiddan. But
you know, we have a film industry, right the film
industry that extends beyond Lord of the Rings and Nania.
Is there any opportunity for you to maybe come down
here and spend a bit more time filming.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Oh, I don't know. I would love to.

Speaker 18 (50:47):
If I'm filming something in New Zealand, it's probably a
fantastic gig. So I'm gonna hope that that happens, man,
because I would absolutely love that.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, we had delighted you coming here, John Trevel safely,
thank you so much for your time and can't wait
to see your own.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Oh'll see anybody there can't wait to meet. Please come out,
Please come out, come see me.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
That is John Boyega. The good news is you can
go and see John today. Orkan's Armageddon has just launched.
Is the thirtieth anniversary of Armageddon, so it is going
to be a big one and of course it's on
right through to Monday. We've got all the details up
on the News talks he'db website newstalkshedb dot co dot
z before eleven o'clock on news Talks dB. It isn't

(51:28):
just Iceland that has discovered an unwanted friend this week,
becoming the last country on earth to have mosquitoes. We've
just discovered these yellow legged hornets in New Zealand and
we thought who better to ask all about it than
Rude climb pasted our man in the garden, so he'll
give us the deats on that very shortly. As well
as that. Another big change in the world of chat
GPT and Generitive AI this week they've launched a web browser,

(51:53):
so this is the sort of thing that might replace
Google Chrome, at least that's what the team behind chat
gpt were hoping. Our texpert has had a little bit
of a play around with that, so he'll give us
his verdict very soon. Next up, we've got your screen
time picks for this week. Three fantastic shows to watch
your stream from the company your couch. It's just coming
up to twenty past ten.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with
Jack Dame News Talks it be it.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Is twenty two minutes past ten, which means it's screen
time time. Our screen time expert is Tara Wards. She
picks three shows that you can watch your stream at
home for us every week. As she's here. Now get
I Tara, good morning. Let's begin with a show streaming
on Neon and Sky Open, a psychological thriller set in

(52:43):
both Scotland and New Zealand. Tell Us about the Ridge.

Speaker 19 (52:47):
Yeah this is This is a co production between Sky
New Zealand and BBCs Scotland. So it's a drama with
two storylines running in Scotland and New Zealand and has
an international cast and it stars Lauren Lyle who was
in a great show I talked about a couple of
months ago called Karen Perry and she is fantastic In
this she plays a doctor, Mia Beaton, who is caught
up in a medical drama in Glasgow, decides to escape

(53:10):
and come to her sister's wedding in a small town
in the South Island, and just before she's ready to leave,
she gets a worrying phone message from her sister and
by the time she lands in New Zealand, her sister
is missing and then found dead, and Maya is quite
sure that her sister's death wasn't an accident, and she
decides to find out what really happened to her. And

(53:31):
the thing about Mia is that she has her own
demons to deal with. She's an addict, she's a bit
of an anti hero, and this is where the psychological
thriller aspect comes into it. In a lot of ways.
The show sort of has that familiar murder mystery set
up to it, but Mia starts to unravel the more
that she digs into what was really going on in
her sister's life and what's going on in this town.

(53:52):
If you enjoyed the series The Gone, which was the
New Zealand Irish drama, I think you'll enjoy this as well.
It's got that similar kind of international storyline. It's set
in a small town where everyone knows everyone and everyone
is hiding something, and it's got that same kind of
moody landscape atmosphere to it. And best of all, Neon
has got all six episodes up now, which is great

(54:14):
news if you're looking for something to binge watch this
long holiday.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Okay, cool, right, that's the ridge that's on Neon and
on Sky Open as well. Next up on Netflix, Nobody
Wants This Yeah.

Speaker 19 (54:26):
This is the second season of a very sharp and
fast witted American romantic comedy. This stars Kristin Bell and
Adam Brody, who play two very different people who meet
and fall in love. Adam Brody plays Noah, who is
a rabbi. He's just broken up with his girlfriend and
his family just want him to find a nice Jewish
girl to settle down with. And Kristin Bell plays Joanne,

(54:48):
who is not religious. She makes a podcast about sex
and relationships, and she is very cynical about love and romance.
And they meet at in a party. There's an instant
attraction and as with any good romco nothing is straightforward,
nothing is simple, and they both have a lot of
opinionated friends and family who are deeply involved in their

(55:10):
lives as well. It's very charming. There's some great chemistry
between Anna and Brody and Kristen Bell, and the dialogue
is really fast and punchy, and I like that it's funny,
but it's also quite warm and emotional and nice to
just sort of escape into something that has embraced a really.

Speaker 11 (55:24):
Well known genre.

Speaker 19 (55:25):
Like the long rom com but is still full of surprises.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah cool, Okay, that's nobody wants. This is on Netflix
and the Legend of Crocodile Dundee.

Speaker 11 (55:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (55:35):
I know this is quite a niche show to end
on today, but I thought a lot of listeners will
remember those Crocodile Dundee movies and could be interested in
this documentary which is screening on tvanz in one tonight.
This is a documentary movie made by a woman named
Delvin Delaney, who was married to John Cornell, who was
best friends with Paul Hogan, and together they made the

(55:56):
Crocodile Dundee movie in the mid eighties. And so rather
than this being an objective look at the Crocodile Dundee
film itself, it's more of a personal, behind the scenes
storeorry about friendship and love and how these best friends
decided one day in the eighties to make a movie
in the outback about a guy called mc dundee, and
how it went on to become this huge worldwide phenomenon.

(56:19):
In nineteen eighty six, it made forty seven million dollars
at the box office, and forty years on it's still
Australia's biggest grossing movie of all time. Yeah, so this
documentary is almost like a snapshot of that moment in
time and the mid eighties in Australia. It's a story
of the underdog, and you know, forty years on there
are aspects of that movie that probably haven't aged necessarily well.

(56:40):
But this gives you quite a personal and nostalgic insight
into the story behind the film and the relationships that
were wrapped around it and the legacy that it had.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Fantastic. Okay, cool, that sounds really goods So that's a
legend of Crocodile Dundee. It's on TV and Z Plus
and TV and Z one. Nobody wants This is on
Netflix and the Ridge is on Neon and Sky Open.
Thank you for your Texas Morning Jack loved John Boyeger
and Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
One question this morning, does Greenland have mosquitoes? Says Matthew. Yeah,
I was interested to see this week that Iceland has
become the last country on Earth to have mosquitoes. I've
double checked that, Yes, Greenland does have mosquitoes, Matthew. The
only place that now doesn't have mosquitoes is Antarctica. But
Antarctica is a continent, not a country. So yeah, Iceland's

(57:26):
become the last country on Earth to get mosquitoes. To
confirm mosquitos, apparently, one of the big problems is you've
got to have resting water, but resting water that isn't frozen.
So it's right down in the south of Iceland, south
of Raykovic, where they've discovered these mosquitoes. There you go,
twenty eight minutes past ten.

Speaker 9 (57:46):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team
on News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
That is, of course Lily Allen. She's a ground breaking
force in pop music. But it's been almost nineteen years
now since her defiant debut album, and her musical influence
on the current generation of conversational kind of joyously messy
pop stars is undeniable. It's seven years, though, since we

(58:35):
last heard anything from Lily in the music sense. She's
got a podcast and she's doing a few other bits
and pieces, so she's remained culturally present in different ways.
She's published a memoir, she's acted in a West End
stage production. She's defended the position of NEPO babies and
entertainment industries have been plasted on tabloid covers from here

(58:56):
to there while going through a bit of divorce. But
Lily is finally ready to return to pop. Her brand
new album is called west End Girl, and after her
last album, The One seven years ago, she's being titled
the Queen of the Comeback. This has come like her
second comeback album in a sense. Our music review is
given a listen, and it's going to be with us

(59:17):
before midday to day to share a couple of those
songs and give us all the deats before eleven o'clock.
We're in the garden. We've got your wine pick for
this weekend as well. Next up, though, we are looking
at some big changes to chat GPT. They've just launched
a chat GPT browser. The way I have been using
AI and am increasingly using AI is as a search tool,

(59:38):
so it's kind of like it as a default Google
for me. So I'm very interested to see if replacing
the likes of Google Chrome with a chat GPT browser
could be my future as well. Our textbits here in
a couple of minutes twenty eight minutes to eleven.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (59:59):
When I read the headline this morning, a defining moment
in our history, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I don't see it that way at all. I said
it as a moment where accumulated frustration was expressed. Those
messages have been sent many times. We've heard them. It
doesn't solve anything. Getting back and finding our way forward
is the only way to get through this, and we
both parties have to be able to do it. We've
actually achieved settlements, so we know that we can do it.
We just need the unions to see it the same way.

(01:00:24):
We need to make trade offs. I've made significant trade offs.
They need to come to the party and be prepared
to make trade offs. I have not seen that yet.

Speaker 20 (01:00:32):
Back Tuesday from six am the mic asking Breakfast with
a Veda News talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
You know how there's a smart everything these days. You
can get like a smart toothbrush. You can get a
smart bed or a smart mattress. So it's a mattress
that tracks your sleep habits and that can heat up
and cool down and do various bits and pieces. But
users of these eight that's the name of the brand,
eight sleep smart mattresses had a bit of a rough week.

(01:00:59):
Some of them were woken up when their mattresses got
really hot, and other ones the mattresses started sitting up
and changing their positioning even though they did want them to.
And it all came down to a fault with Amazon
Web Services. So these web services that provide kind of
infrastructure cloud infrastructure for lots of different products and websites

(01:01:21):
around the world went down during the week, which had
all sorts of unintended consequences. Our Textbert Paustinehouse has all
the details for us. Paul, you don't have one of
those fancy mattresses, do you that turned out not to
be quite as smart as you might have hoped.

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
I don't, But I have to say, Jack, the enthusiasm
in your voice talking about that was a little telling.

Speaker 12 (01:01:40):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I mean some things like do you really need to
does everything need to be smart? Does everything need to
be connected? It's just it's funny, right, Like, look, it's funny.

Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
But there was a problem where people had smart homes
and with smart locks, smart keys, and they couldn't get
into their homes.

Speaker 13 (01:01:58):
So that was a problem.

Speaker 8 (01:01:59):
Yes, but no, Look, here's the one thing that it says, right,
I mean, the thing you have to remember about the
cloud is it's not mythical, it's not magical. It's someone
else's server that they maintain. You're renting a server effectively,
and it really does show that, you know, a lot
of people are renting these service. Fun fact for you,
did you know Amazon's stock while they were having fourteen

(01:02:21):
hours of downtime, This stock popped on that day. It
was up like three percent to one, and I yes,
it didn't go down, and I think it's because it
really shows that there is such a reliance on these services. Right,
we've gone all in on the cloud. It's been the
talking point in corporate America certainly for the past ten years.
Get your cloud, it's cheaper, don't have to maintain it,
all this stuff. Well, we've moved the cloud and now

(01:02:42):
we've got some failover issues. But what was really interesting
about this one was it's kind of like Amazon uses
Amazon's own services to run other Amazon services, and that
was what the big.

Speaker 13 (01:02:55):
Issue was this week.

Speaker 8 (01:02:57):
So there's a database server, a service called Dynamo DBA.
I won't boy you with the details of it, but
what effectively happened was the IP addresses of all of
the Dynamo dbs and the Virginia data center known as
US East one were lost. They were removed so well,
that basically means is you've got a phone book, but

(01:03:19):
all of the phone numbers have been removed from the
phone books, so you don't.

Speaker 13 (01:03:22):
Know anyone's phone numbers anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:03:25):
But the problem is is that all the other Amazon services,
they actually need the numbers in the phone book to
operate all of their own services.

Speaker 13 (01:03:32):
So taking down this one database.

Speaker 8 (01:03:35):
Cluster, which is a problem in and upon itself, right,
like losing entire access to a service that you sell as.

Speaker 13 (01:03:43):
Bad one, but two all of these other services.

Speaker 8 (01:03:46):
I think at one point there was something like twenty
five different Amazon services that were down because they all
relied on this one service.

Speaker 13 (01:03:55):
Luster, which is just incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
It's amazing when something like one domino basically is what
you're telling us, one domino complex terms, but one domino
falls and then next minute you've woken up in the
middle of the night because your smart bed's trying to
follow itself in half. Hey, chat gpt has launched a browser,
so open Ai, the company behind chat gptev but pursuing

(01:04:18):
a few different products and tools and things lately, but
now they've launched an internet browser. So if you have
Google Chrome or Safari or something like that on your computer,
this is designed to compete.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
It is and I'm full of fun facts today, But
another fun fact, the open Ai browser is effectively using
the same technology as Google Chrome. Google actually make it
open source and you can build browsers on top of it.
So it's a little bit kind of amusing the people
who want to go and take down Google and take
all of your attention away from Google searches is using

(01:04:51):
Google funded technology from Google Search and Google.

Speaker 13 (01:04:54):
Ads to then create their own things. Yeah, right, that aside.

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
Yes, So what they're doing is they're baking chat GPT
in into the browser. So when you first open it
up up, instead of typically seeing what we've all seen
for the past twenty odd years, the beautiful Google Search bar,
you now see a chat GPT box and you can
start typing into that instead of your Google Search, and

(01:05:20):
you can ask it questions, you can ask it to
find information, you can ask it to go to websites,
all those types of things. But it's also got a
sort of side panel, so when you're browsing to a website,
you can then say, like chat about this website with
chat GPT, so it takes all the context of that
page and it can even start to do actions.

Speaker 13 (01:05:39):
Now I tried it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
I was hoping it was going to be quite exciting,
but it let me down twice. The first time I
was trying to get it to give me, I was like, okay,
give me a summary of the day's news from CNN
or the New York Times, and both of those websites
were restricted and it said I'm not allowed to do it.

Speaker 13 (01:05:54):
So I was like, okay, well, that was frustrating. Good
for seeing in good for the New York Times that they.

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
Started to block chat GPT, but I was like, that
was annoying for me as a person trying to use
it anyway.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
Second of all, I thought, okay, let's see if we
can really test it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
I'm going to ask it to draft me an email
and then get it ready in my Gmail because it
can do these actions.

Speaker 11 (01:06:13):
Right.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
It says it can take over and it can you know,
effectively work the screen like a user could, right, And
it wrote the email just like it wouldn't Chat GBT.
But then it asked me so many times for permissions
to do this and open it.

Speaker 13 (01:06:26):
Up here and do this.

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
It would have just been easier for me to copy
and paste it into Gmail directly. So I will say
I was left a little bit disappointed underworld in the browser.

Speaker 13 (01:06:38):
And look, I have to say this too.

Speaker 8 (01:06:39):
I mean, the US is a really big Apple market, right,
huge with the iphone're huge with the MacBook, and so
they've actually launched this only for Mac at the moment,
So if you have a Windows computer at the moment,
you're out of luck.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
You can't even try the check. Okay, it sounds like
it's not that not that impressive. See, I've found it's
interesting how it's only once you really play around with
these things and kind of get into a habit that
it goes from being you know, like a bit of
a quirk quirky sort of party trail or something, a
bit of a novelty. You know, it takes a bit
of time to work out exactly if you can use
these and kind of integrate them as part of your

(01:07:12):
daily life. I use chat, GPT heaps as a kind
of search tool, like I'm I'm asking it questions that
once I would have used Google, and it's you know,
I can only imagine that Google's traffic has been significantly
impacted by chat GPT, But the fact that the browser
hasn't quite nailed it yet is kind of intriguing.

Speaker 13 (01:07:34):
I mean, it can do that stuff. I guess I
was trying to really take it through its paces.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Yeah, of course. I mean that's like you've got to
have a reason that you would move away from your
current system, right, correct. And it sounds like if it's
blocked from those major websites, then that in itself is
kind of a reason not to be using it.

Speaker 13 (01:07:50):
It's kind of annoying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
Well, I will say the thing that I find with
this AI stuff is if you get it to generate
something and you don't know that what the outcome is
supposed to be, it's incredible, right because you can't verify
it the moment you try.

Speaker 13 (01:08:03):
I found personally if.

Speaker 8 (01:08:04):
You try to use it for something where you know
what the outcomes should be, and you've say you've given
it some documents and you're saying, hey, summarize this, or
take some values from a spreadsheet, or do whatever it
is trying to do, and then those values and things
aren't in the output. It's like, okay, can I trust
it with the stuff that I thought I could trust?

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:08:23):
That to me is where I'm like, Okay, maybe I
shouldn't be using it as a research tool.

Speaker 12 (01:08:26):
Yeah yeah, but as long as it gives me.

Speaker 8 (01:08:28):
The links I can then click on and go and
verify the information I'm usually okay with.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Then you have bet Yeah, very interesting. Hey, thanks Paul.
We will let you get back to sleep on your
smart snoozer, ball Stairhouse our text. But there seventeen to
eleven non news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
You'd be no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Better way to kick off your weekend. Then quit with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
News Talk said, be accord to eleven non news talks.
I'd be after eleven o'clock. We have some really interesting
research to share with you that shows that listening to
birds can be effective in treating depression. So it seems
like one of those kind of it seems like a
quaint little thing, right, But if you specific actually step
back and think it, think about your own experience and

(01:09:09):
how nice it is to actually pause and be present
listening to birdshong, you can understand that, right, You can
see that it might be effective for people who are
experiencing depressions. So anyway, I'm going to give you the
details on that very soon. Indeed, right now though, it
is time for your wine pick of the weekend. Master
Somalier Cameron Douglas has chosen an Immigrants vineyard Ruru tinkering

(01:09:31):
sparkling method traditionale from Central Otago and he's with us
this morning. Hi, Cameron, how are you doing.

Speaker 11 (01:09:39):
Yeah, good morning, I'm doing well. Thank you very much.
Good to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, good to be speaking with you. So tell us
about the Ruru tinkering Immigrants vinyard sparkling method Traditionale.

Speaker 11 (01:09:50):
My pleasure. You know, in New Zealand there's about seven
hundred and forty wine producers and around two thirds of
them classified bespoke small produced less than two hundred thousand
liters of wine a year, and Immigrants vineyard Rurdu wines
most definitely bespoke. And it's a lovely background story of

(01:10:13):
Lucy and Roland moving to New Zealand from the Netherlands
and the mid eighties, and ultimately, after some time in
hospitality and family and so on, they decided to take
a leap of faith into Central Otago and wine growing
and wine making. And they're very very good at it.
By the way, this wine is made from one hundred

(01:10:35):
percent pen and wi fruit. So it's method traditional bottle
fermented wine, and it delivers this lovely sort of leazy
autolysis quality, framing flavors of oatmeal and apple and grapefruit
and white peach. But I think one of the best
things about the wine is that it's got this lovely
crunchy texture and the soft, moose fine bubble about it.

(01:10:59):
So it really is quite delicious, A good tinkering wine
to saber while steer watching bird song.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
I think, yeah, sounds amazing. So the wine itself is
made with pen and no fruit, right, Can you tell
us a little bit about that process.

Speaker 11 (01:11:13):
Yeah, So, essentially, because there are bespoke vineyard everything is
hand harvested, and what you have to do to make
a white wine out of red fruit is you press
that juice out of the grapes as quickly as possible,
so you've got little to no skin contact, and then
you essentially make a white pen and war and then

(01:11:34):
you pop it back into another bottle and referment it
to create the bubble. So it goes through a second
ferment in the bottle, and this gives it that sort
of that soft plush moosy character, but it doesn't compromise
on any fruit concentration, so it's more of the white
flesh fruits like grapefruit and peach that come on the palate.

(01:11:57):
But then it's framed by this lovely acid line because
you need that, and Central Otago has lots of natural
acid giving environment characteristics. But it's a wine of great
weight and length and something to enjoy really this year
before Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Frankly, what would you mention it with if if you're
doing that.

Speaker 11 (01:12:19):
Well, one of the default matches with a sparkling wine
is oysters or mussels off the barbecue or you fish
them up eat them raw. But for people who aren't
into seafood like that, one of the best matches I've
ever had in my life is like the soft boiled
egg with caviat on top, So it gives you the

(01:12:40):
salt hit and richness and saltiness and food and sparkling
wine really do work quite well together. It's exotic, but
such a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, Oh sounds fantastic. Okay, you've got a book to
recommend for us too, there, I do Champagne as Chandeliers.

Speaker 11 (01:12:57):
Yeah, this is such a great coffee table book. It's
a big, heavy book and it looks at the world
of champagne and all the imagery has chandeliers in it.
But the essence of the book is all of these
recipes or menus, very famous menus serve too, you know,

(01:13:17):
lords and ladies of the past and present and what
they paired the champagnes with. So it's a great visual
read and recipe ideas for serving sparkling wine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
It's fantastic, per okay. So that's called champagne and chandeliers
and camerons. Wine for us this week comes from Immigrants Vineyard,
the Ruru Tinketing emirateds Vineyard sparkling method traditionale from Central Otago.
We'll make sure that there's a link to that wine
up on the news Dogs website. We're in the garden
next ten to eleven on news doorgs'd.

Speaker 9 (01:13:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Roote climb passes our man in the garden. He's here
this morning, Amari.

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
Good morning, sir, many have you become an entomologist?

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I knew you'd be loving the bug content morning. So
have you ever come across. I was going through my
bad at Chibad experiences. I mean, you've got your SAand flies.
So first of all, sand flies, do you build up
a resistance? Do they stop binding you after two days?

Speaker 18 (01:14:19):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
There are thirteen species of sand flies. Two are the
ones that like people, and those two know exactly where
you are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Okay, because I'm convinced that even if you've been on
if you go to the West Coast for a couple
of days, if you go for a week, yeah, Monday
and Tuesday are terrible. You absolutely smashed by SAand flies.
Wednesday's okay. By Friday, you're fine. Friday you're just walking around.
You were in a single and stubbies, no drama. But
the locals you knew had a local moaning about the
sand flies on the West coast.

Speaker 7 (01:14:44):
You know, No, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
You do get you do get a bit.

Speaker 7 (01:14:48):
Of tolerance for it, if you like. Yeah, and I
think that's that's probably the word.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
But you got it.

Speaker 7 (01:14:54):
Yeah, absolutely, And these guys have. Of course, you have
to remember, people have not lived in our theo of
more than till thousand years. Yea, yeah, And these sand
flies were here anywhere, and they decided bugger the wal
rushes and the and all the other things that are
on the beach. We're kind of go for the baking. Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeah, so Poor on Iceland, speaking of unwanted friends, Poor
in Iceland has ended up with mosquitoes for the first time.
But we have these yellow legged hornets that have been discovered.

Speaker 7 (01:15:26):
Yeah. Now, I saw this coming about three months ago
because I remember taking the mention of MBI of that
this had happened, and I took a piece of paper
and sat on my desk, thinking, one day I'm going
to use this song text program. And it only took
three months. And here is We now have a second

(01:15:46):
and third case literally in Auckland. And I tell you what,
I've seen these things in Japan and they are big.
I mean, you know what a wasp looks like, don't you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Roughly?

Speaker 11 (01:15:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:15:59):
Okay, at least one and a half times the size.
You can hear them coming as if they're driving and
lawn mower with wings, you know what I mean. It
is unbelievable. And the second thing is they have no
sense of humor. They are really really aggressive. They'll get
anything they want and have.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
A go at it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:19):
And there you are, and so we have this problem.
So I had a lovely chat with my MPI colleagues,
if you like, because I used to work in this gig.
When I became part of Ministry of Agriculture. We had
one of these paper wasps coming into New Zealand. It
was the same thing that was those that was in
nineteen eight, the seven six actually they yeah, that sort

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of time when I was there, but they arrived there too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
So here we go.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
We've got these yellow legged hornets in Auckland at the moment.
And what I suggest we do as gardeners and as
nations and people who are in the garden or outside
all the time, keep an eye out for these things
because we are still in assistant by which we can
do something about it. Not in the Netherlands. They probably

(01:17:11):
lost it, by the way. Last week. Ireland, same species.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Oh really, Ireland? Yes, wow, okay, yes, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
It's it's it's a thing from Asia. It's in Spain,
it's in France for quite a while. It's a now
bingo here. And I think it's got something to do
with with boats coming into the harbor and these things
having unt or almost not good nests yet.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Yeah, so you go.

Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
All the stuff I've put into your stuff, maybe you
will put on the website. But the first thing I say,
keep keep your eyes open and report to NPI eight
hundred eight nine ninety sixty six. For goodness sake, let's
have a go with this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
We're going to make sure that number for the hotline
as well as the MPI report form is up on
the News Talk CB website. We've got some photos as well,
so you can compare the hornets with paper. Make sure
you're getting the right yellow le good thing, but they
are big, so thank you for that. Rude We climb
past in the garden for us. After eleven o'clock, our
travel correspondent's taking us to Jaipur in Rajasthan, India, and

(01:18:18):
we've got a brand new John Grisham thriller to tell
you about. The news is next. It's almost eleven. This
is News Talks.

Speaker 12 (01:18:24):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Saturday morning with jackdam keeping the conversation, going through the
weekend news talks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Good morning, you're a Jack time on news Talks. He'd
be through to twelve o'clock today. My goodness, I've just
been looking at the latest updates out of Southland. It
is rough, so you've got to stay of emergency in
place for Kluther, Southland and Kai Colder at the moment.
But they reckon more than five hundred power lines are
still down in Southland, more than five hundred still and

(01:19:19):
the authorities say it could be weeks before power can
be fully restored to some isolated rural areas in Southwand,
which is really concerning. So we've had a lot of
messages this morning from people saying they're still relying on
generator power in some parts of Southland this morning. But yeah,
for those really remote areas in the region, it could

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be a rough couple of weeks, he had to say
the least. And the bad news is that more while
weather is on the way at the moment, Met Service
reckons the worst of the crazy storm on Monday that
is headed our way at the moment. They're describing as
a very active front is going to hit parts of Wellington,

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the Tatarua District, the northern Canterbury high Country, southern parts
of Marlborough. So those play have strong wind warnings in place,
and then there are some heavy rain watches as well.
They reckon there could be heavy snow for parts of
the Southland. It's all cross our fingers and hope that
the snow isn't going to be affecting those parts of
Southland that still doesn't have power. The good news, if
there is any, is that powers back on in Tiano

(01:20:22):
and in Winton this morning, so that's a bit of
a relief. But yeah, it looks like, to say the least,
it's going to be a pretty tricky few days ahead
and for some parts of Southland potentially a tricky couple
of weeks ahead. So hoping that you're not too badly
affected by that wherever you're waking up this morning. Now
before the day on news talk s head Be, we're
gonna have it. Listened to Lily Allen's new album. She

(01:20:45):
has just released this album called west End Girl, which
is her first album in seven years. And it's funny
when her last album was released seven years ago, they
called that a comeback album, and now they're calling west
End Girl a comeback album as well, so she's sort
of a comeback album queen. But our music reviewers listened
to that. He's going to give us his thoughts and
we're going to play you a couple of songs from
that as well as that brand you read from John

(01:21:06):
Grid that our book reviewer has read and will give
you all the deats for. And our travel correspondent is
taking us on the third part of his Indian odyssey
this morning to Jay Poor and Rajastan, the Red City,
the so called Red City. So that'd be great. Right now,
it's nine minutes past eleven, Jack, and time to catch
up with clinical psychologist Doogle Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being,

(01:21:28):
who's been looking at some really interesting research that shows
that listening to bird song may benefit your mental health
and improve sadness and depression. Googles with us this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
Get a sure to Jack, how are you?

Speaker 11 (01:21:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Very well, thank you. It's funny. This is one of
those things that can you can imagine people are just
like right off as being kind of trivial, but then
if you think about it for a moment, you think, actually, yeah,
it kind of makes sense that listening to bird song
might make me feel a bit better. So tell us
about this research.

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:21:56):
So the research came out, they got people who were.

Speaker 21 (01:21:59):
Both depressed and not depressed, and then, as we want
to do in psychology land, we made them feel even
worse by evoking sadness in them, by playing them through
really sad movie clips, so that they not only your depressed,
but now we're making you feel really sad on top
of that as well. So they made people feel sad.
And then what can we do to relieve the sadness?

Speaker 11 (01:22:20):
They get?

Speaker 21 (01:22:20):
One group they trained them in mindfulness and the other
group they just exposed them to listening.

Speaker 11 (01:22:25):
To bird songs, and both both groups benefited.

Speaker 21 (01:22:29):
And actually for the bird song people, they also their
heart rates the physiological heart rates were improved as well,
So it seems that was good for the heart and
for the good for the mind and the body as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
That's interesting. So when they were playing it, I don't
know if you have this detail. Do you know if
they were playing them recordings or if they were just
sitting them outside.

Speaker 21 (01:22:49):
No, no, no, no, no, they were playing I believe
they were playing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
It was live bird song.

Speaker 21 (01:22:56):
Oh yeah, so I think they were actually, you know,
out there listening to birds. I think it was a
confined environment in terms of you know, they had to
that they were in like an avery or something like that.

Speaker 11 (01:23:08):
But it was it was live bird song. From what
I can what I can make out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
I wonder how you can differentiate between listening to bird
song and then singing birds or singing.

Speaker 21 (01:23:16):
Yeah, yeah, they do, but it's interesting. One of the
things they kind of thought was to that, yes, both
are good, the mindfulness and the listening to birds, but sometimes.

Speaker 11 (01:23:29):
If you're really deeply depressed.

Speaker 21 (01:23:31):
Then having energy to do anything, including engaging in psychological therapy,
can be real you know, it can be more than
you know, more than what you're able to do. And
so so mindfulness is obviously a very sort of deliberate
sort of skill that you that you kind of got
to put into.

Speaker 11 (01:23:48):
Place, whereas listening to bird song is quite a passive thing.
You don't have to really do anything.

Speaker 21 (01:23:52):
It just, you know, you just sit there and listen
and and and so it could be a useful sort
of I wouldn't say I'd be betting every betting the
house on it, but you could certainly even add it in.
There's something that people can do just be supposed to
you don't. You can just sit there and listen. You
don't have to do anything, which might be quite a
relief if your feeling particularly down, you know, and you

(01:24:12):
just don't have that energy. Yeah, so yeah, I thought
I thought it was an encouraging sort of and and
a nice use of sort of going back to nature
in a way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean it's a yeah, like
I said, it feels kind of intuitive. It's funny I
have been finding without eight months old. Then when he
gets really upset he has it gets really upset from
time to time, and especially in the evenings at the
end of the day, and he'll scream down the house
and that kind of thing. And often I have been
picking him up from his high tear or wherever he is,

(01:24:41):
taking him outside and just like giving him two minutes
with you know, being outdoors and kind of looking at
a tree or something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Yeah, it's amazing the extent when it calms them down.

Speaker 21 (01:24:52):
Yes, yeah, Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. It's like it
feels like we've kind of lost touch with some of
those the benefits of nature as we become more more urban.
And I realized for some people it's you know, if
you're living in a block of flats or an apartment,
it is really difficult to get to that.

Speaker 11 (01:25:08):
In the UK, they do things like green prescriptions.

Speaker 21 (01:25:11):
Where they'll you know, they'll they'll they'll give you a
prescription to go out and they do things like, you know,
tell you to go fishing, and you know, just get
out there and be active.

Speaker 11 (01:25:20):
But just because of the real benefit there seems to
be just from being out in nature.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
I find the same thing, like if I even it
can be something so simple as well, you don't have
to be like in a perfect unspoiled native bush or
anything like even if I just got into the backyard
and do a little bit of gardening honestly, a little
bit of weeding with you know, with a good iHeart
podcast or something, and I'm yeah, it's amazing how it
kind of has that Yeah, it is a yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:25:42):
And there was a big study in New Zealand actually
about the benefits of fishing too, Like they touted it
as the biggest study in the world looking at the
benefits of fishing for for mental health, and they found
that really, you know, improve people's mood, reduced anxiety, reduced
psychological distress, and you know, they were going out and

(01:26:02):
just just fishing. And I think there's really something in there,
isn't there about getting back into nature and getting that
contact with nature that we seem to be losing a
bit as we become more urbanized.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Yeah, I wonder too if it's just it's kind of
like mindfulness without knowing it, you know, like not being you.

Speaker 21 (01:26:21):
Know, yeah, like yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've tricked you
into being mindful. You know, you're just you're just focusing
on one thing. That's all you're aware of. You're it's
it's it's just a calm sort of content place that
you're connecting with.

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 21 (01:26:38):
I think there's some sort of strong overlaps with those
sorts of things that it's very much about, and there
is something that we get from being in nature. You know,
thirty minutes I did hear thirty minutes a day is
if you or not a day, but little spells of
thirty minutes in nature. If you really want to optimize
your your the benefit that you get from being out there,

(01:26:58):
little little blocks of thirty minutes and at least three
hours a week is the ideal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Apparently, Okay, yeah, thirty minutes a day, that's that's like
maybe achievable.

Speaker 21 (01:27:07):
I think that's yeah, And it doesn't have to be
every day just you know, as you said before, you know,
but a gardening or you might go for a walk
or and it doesn't have to be every day, but
trying to get sort of around three three and a
half hours per week and doing that in blocks of
thirty seems to be better than just sort of a
quick five minute I mean five minutes is fine, you know,
but if you really want to get the maximize benefit

(01:27:30):
out out of it, at least a thirty minute burst
outside in nature.

Speaker 11 (01:27:35):
Apparently is really good. Is what we're looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
So that's great. Hey, thank you so much. Do I
appreciate it? As always? Google someone from Umbrella Well Being. Yeah,
it does feel like it makes sense. But if you
are looking for an excuse to ask for a second
bird feeder for Christmas, maybe this could be just it, right,
attract a few more birds in the backyard. It's good
for everyone right now. Sixteen minutes past eleven our travel
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this morning, focusing on Jai Poor Rajasthan.

Speaker 20 (01:29:24):
Good morning sir, Good morning Jack. I can see you
on the trapeze. After that, I don't know, hurling yourself
across some venue.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Yeah, I'm just not someone. I'm not someone known for
keeping his limbs close to his body. You know. That's
like an Helpatross on stilts, they say, Mike, So no,
I'm not sure that I necessarily have the grace to join.
It is amazing. Every time I go to slay, I'm like,
it's just unbelievable to me that people are able to
pull off those different stunts. You know, I'm always so yeah,

(01:29:56):
so affected by it. So that does sound sound amazing anyway?

Speaker 6 (01:29:59):
You're human, human elastic, isn't it it is?

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Yeah? Yeah, he is. And some of the things they
pull off you just think, oh my god. Yeah. Now
Jaipur is the is the red city, Isn't it? Is
that right?

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Red city and I understand. Or pink city, Yes it
is pink. Yes, yes, it's not the blue city. But
Jaipur is the is the is the pink city and
it really is gorgeous. How did it end up getting
painted pink? How did the old city and Gaipaur end
up pink?

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:30:28):
Well a lot of people. Jack liked to paint the
town red, but Jipaul went pink. And it's pink stucco,
which all began in the eighteen seventies when the Prince
of Wales rocked into town. So he was Queen Victoria's son.
He later succeeded her as King Edward. He named j
Paul the Pink City, and the Maharaja at the time

(01:30:50):
chose the color for his visit because pink symbolizes hospitality
in Rajpot culture.

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
So the name and the stucco has stuck ever since.

Speaker 20 (01:31:01):
And even today, all the buildings in the old city
must still be painted pink, which I think adds to
the unmistakable magic about the place.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Yeah, yeah, so talk to us about City Palace. What
did you like about City Palace?

Speaker 20 (01:31:15):
Yeah, there are some really big sights to see in town,
and City Palace is such a stirring complex. It just
seems to be the most perfect union of mouthwatering architecture
and tranquil garden courtyards. They really know how to soften
hard edges. And I love the Palace of the Breeze.
Just such an ingenious design because it was built purposefully

(01:31:40):
to circulate cool air amongst all those pillars of the
palace in the extreme summer heat and I mean I
was there and I think it was thirty nine degrees
when I was there, and yep, I was not sweating
at all in that palace. For something quirky, I think
this is the greatest thing about the City Palace. You
can go and see these massive silver vessels in the courtyard.

(01:32:03):
They are like the urns of a giant. And they
carried the Maharaja's drinking water from the Ganges to London
for Edward's coronation.

Speaker 6 (01:32:14):
And I thought I was a heavy packer.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
Yeah, isn't it amazing?

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Yeah, it's not a short journey. Yeah, amazing. Are the
other royals still in residence.

Speaker 20 (01:32:25):
Yes, you can see the reception rooms of Jaipaul's royal family.

Speaker 6 (01:32:31):
The chairs.

Speaker 20 (01:32:32):
I love their chairs. They have silver lions for armrests.
Every home should have those. But there's a lot of
tabloid tattle at the moment about the current Maharaja of Jaipaul,
Patcho Singh. He's only twenty seven, quite the playboy and
not just at Polo. So he's currently living in City
Palace with his French girlfriend. Now this is very controversial because,

(01:32:56):
as I'm sure you can appreciate Jack in Rajasthan culture,
one must have an arranged marriage and it's also got
to be astrologically aligned, so there's not much hope for
the French girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Oh wow, okay, I've not heard says scandalous. I might
have to have a very scandalous So just beyond the
old City, another huge drawer is Amber Fort, right or
Army of.

Speaker 6 (01:33:21):
Fort Armia Forts.

Speaker 20 (01:33:23):
Yes it's spelled Amber, but they say, amya, apologies for
the background noise. By the way, I'm at that gobshide
of a place called Auckland Airport.

Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Ah, but yes it's a construction zone.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Yes, yes, anyway, our US.

Speaker 6 (01:33:38):
Army of Fort.

Speaker 20 (01:33:40):
What a colossus, like something out of Return of the Jedi.
It sort of sprawls across the upper reaches of a
hillside like a city.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
It's just so enormous.

Speaker 20 (01:33:51):
And this was the seat of power for the Rushport
Kings before they relocated into town to build city Palace.
But I was equally intrigued by Armia Wall, which rides
across the ridge lines as far as the eye can seat.
The Chinese would be very impressed by this wall.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
But within the fort.

Speaker 20 (01:34:11):
Complex, once again, you've just got the most dreamy stash
of palatial buildings and shades of honey and rose, sandstone
and white marble.

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
It is a bit like some of those palaces in
New Delhi.

Speaker 20 (01:34:25):
Just the most frothy fusion of Indian and Islamic designer
really is gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Are elephants still lugging tourists up the hillside to the fall?

Speaker 11 (01:34:37):
Oh? Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:34:38):
And those tourists they are getting harder to lug. I
actually took an elephant ride at Army of fourteen years ago,
but I've put on a bit of wait since then, Jack,
and I'm very mindful of animal welfare, so I didn't
I didn't ride mister elephant this time.

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
I took a jeep ride up the hill.

Speaker 20 (01:34:56):
But man, I've still got hundreds of elephants out there
every day, hauling.

Speaker 6 (01:35:01):
Hefty visitors up to the fortress.

Speaker 20 (01:35:03):
And they're all brightly dressed. Apparently they look after really well.
But I think you would struggle to find a New
Zealand travel agent. Yeah, who would say do the elephant rider?
It's just become, you know, a no go for a
lot of keyweks.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough too. Were there some good buys
in the bazaars around town?

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:35:20):
Wow? I reckon.

Speaker 20 (01:35:21):
This is the highlight of Jypor. I mean, I'm not
a big retail sort of person. I'm not a shopaholic,
but it's that sort of place where impulsive shopping becomes compulsive.
You know, you just find yourself buying things you never
dreamed you'd buy. And it's just so much fun to
be had strolling under those peeling pink porticos of the

(01:35:43):
roadside bazaars and there are a blaze with everything from
handcrafted puppets to pajama pants. It's just the most wondrous place.
I haggle down the price on this spectacular tablecloth with
block printed red elephants.

Speaker 6 (01:35:57):
So that's as close as I got to a trunk jack.

Speaker 20 (01:36:00):
Yes, but yeah, if you want local garments or textiles,
really good bys and jewelry and pour Jaipur is the
global center for cutting and polishing precious and semi precious gems.

Speaker 6 (01:36:12):
Who knows, maybe the French Crown jewels may end up in.

Speaker 20 (01:36:14):
Gipore, but you will still you will still see old
men at workbenches in the city adorning gold settings with jewels,
and then they rinsed the gold dust from their hands
and that water is later sold to extraction companies, so
the quality of the workmanship is second to none.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Oh man, that sounds sounds incredible. I think when I
was there, I it was up the road maybe in
Jaisalmeir or something like that in Rajasthan. But I went
to you know, in those bazaars they often have the
leather shops, and I bought a leather a camel leather
messenger bag and it costs about you know, seven dollars

(01:36:55):
or something, and I just like, to this day, I'm like,
why I didn't I buy fifty of those? It was
just such good quality and such a bag and such
a handy thing. And it's been all over the world
with me. Know, wow, yes it is. Those bazaars are
really incredible. So when you're in Jipaul, where's a good
place to stay?

Speaker 20 (01:37:13):
Well, this is one of the real gems about Gipaul.
They have so many old historic palaces that have been
revitalized as hotels. So if you really want to go
palatal with your accommodation, they are surprisingly inexpensive. But I
actually switched it up on my last trip a few
weeks ago and I stayed at a brand new palace

(01:37:33):
style hotel. So you might have heard of the brand
an Intara, the tie of origin, but they've gone global
five star hotel chain. Anyway, they've opened their first Indian
opening in Gypaw and they've built it as a replica
of Gipaul's landmark. So you will see the facades of

(01:37:55):
Army of Fort, you will see the facades from like
the city Palace built into this palace hotel. It is
absolutely exceptional and they've used a lot of local grasman
to do it. Even within the hotel, they've done a
modern replica of sheesh Mahal, So sheesh Mahal is the mirror,

(01:38:17):
the mirror Palace in Gipaw, and they've turned this into
like a bar and a restaurant at an Atara Hotel
and the actual interior gleams with three hundred and fifty
thousand pieces of glass in mirror mosaics.

Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
Yeah, it's just the most incredible thing.

Speaker 20 (01:38:37):
So yeah, it's great to see all of that architectural
prowess of Gipoor continuing to shine in you know, new generations.
And I think that's what makes that place is a
destination so special.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Yeah, it looks, it looks amazing. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
We're going to make sure the bike's article for tripping
through gipaor is up on the Newstalks z'b website. Newstalkszb
dot co dot nz is the place to go for
everything from our show, and that'll be out there very
shortly before midday. New music from Lily Ellen and we
will tell you a John Grisham's latest. Right now, it's eleven.

Speaker 9 (01:39:09):
Thirty getting your weekend started. It's Saturday morning with Jack
Team on News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Twenty seven minutes to twelve on News Talks. He'd be
after midday. Elliott Smith is in for weekend Sport. You've
got Gilbert and Oprah on the show. He's sort of
the pioneer.

Speaker 16 (01:39:48):
Of what is it called mental mental skills coach absolutely,
and we thought we get him on because there's helping
the English at the moment he is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
He's helping the English.

Speaker 16 (01:39:55):
Do they need help on the basis, yeah, maybe on
one game exactly, Yeah, they don't need much help. He's
with a Chelsea and the New South World's Origin team
and very things. But there's charter school announcement around Sports
Sports Academy that's going to be at the nccis in
Wellington from years eleven to thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Is this a good idea for kids?

Speaker 16 (01:40:17):
Gilbert used to be a high school teacher, is obviously
weeked on the side of high performance sport as well.
So is this going to prepare kids in the right
way for moving out of secondary school into high performance
sport environments or is it a step too soon?

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Interesting to me, kids, do you know what my gut
And this is based on nothing more than gut, and
so Gilbert I have a much more informed take on this.
My gut is that if it were year nine, I
think I'd feel uncomfortable about that. So if it's the
old third form, I'd feel uncomfortable about that. Year eleven,
which is the old fifth form, I think that's fine.

(01:40:53):
I kind of think so as well. It's all the
proof of the puttings in the eating. It is all
depends on the management of school and all that kind
of thing. And the charter schools are held to a
pretty high standard under the system. You know, they're checked
up on pretty closely. But I feel like year earl
like if you think about you know, professional sports people
around the world, a lot of them by the time
they're sort of fifteen are kind of part of a
system that's preparing them for.

Speaker 16 (01:41:14):
You think about those that lettage of Tiger Woods playing
as a you know, they're all coming through that age.
So I guess at one point though, you are going
to pull kids out of a usual score environment and
then put them into this charter of sports school. Whether
that's the best thing for them, you know, whether being
on a sport minded focus. You said, they're still going

(01:41:36):
to be taught the maths and various things, but whether
being on that sport track from year eleven solely.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Is Yeah, my gar is all good from year eleven.
But I'll be really interested to see what Gilbert thinks
about I'm sure he's got some ideas for how like
what would make it effective and some potential performs and
that kind of thing. What does he do for metal skills?
Did you say like breathe deeply and stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:41:56):
Well, it's all about I guess thinking and the way
you approach the game and techniques to get you back
in the right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Zone if things aren't going right as well.

Speaker 16 (01:42:06):
All the all blacks from a zero rave about what
he was able to do and the way he was
able to present things and break.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
It down for them.

Speaker 16 (01:42:12):
So yeah, he's got techniques that you know, obviously the
English cricket team. He's work with Chelsea and various things
as well. Yeah, he's got a good book out at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Yeah, Catherine our book reviewer read a few weeks and
going I say it was fantastic. So yeah, you've got
the NBC finale and Otago camps.

Speaker 16 (01:42:28):
Absolutely, and we'll go to the ground as well. This
is gonna be a fantastic finals. Jack Canterbury Otago Southern
Classic can't get much better. The weather is looking pretty
good in christ Church and two form teams O Tiger
have been probably the story of the competition in many ways,
putting the Ranfieldy Shield and Canterbury an ultrack consistent. But
I think I Targo go up to christ Church this weekend,
in this afternoon with no fear. I shield from fifteen

(01:42:51):
points down against them what three or four weeks ago,
which is such an amazing game.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
It was an incredible game.

Speaker 16 (01:42:55):
And you know, look the like Sadel and Pleager has
been so effective for them this season, Lucas Casey as
well Sam Gilbert who's leaving after this campaign. There's all
sorts of little storylines, but I think it's rejuvenated the
NPC a little bit this season.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 16 (01:43:08):
I reckon the season great, great sold out. You know,
this is the last game that Canterbury will play at
a Plow Projects Stadium. The Crusaders have a couple more
next year, but this is the farewell to to that
venue as well. I know the Canterbary team are desperate
to send it off with the bang. The Crusader's obviously
won the title the earlier in the season. Canterbury wanting

(01:43:28):
to do likewise, but you just sense that Otago have
a mindset to try and spoil that party a little
bit the same.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Finally, crunch time for Liam Lawson. If you had to
beat your house on it, and I take it you
probably don't want to do that. If you had to
beat your house on it, which way would you go?
I think you will get a seat for next year.
Confidence didn't deliver a conviction. Look at you hear all
the machinations and everything like that. I would love for

(01:43:55):
him to have a great weekend this weekend because it
sounds like it's crunch time, as you said, and every
little bit matters, and every little session matters. And it's
not just the race, it's the qualifying, it's the practice
everything like that thing, like of all the pressure and sports,
it just seems truly intolerable. The pressure they put these
drivers under, like it just crazy. A lot of it's
out of your control as well. It's the car you've

(01:44:17):
been given, it's.

Speaker 16 (01:44:18):
The tactics of your team, sponsorships, who's supplying engines, who
you're affiliated with. There this just the pressure of the
expectation on the weekends. Knowing that like even if you weren't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Racing and the whole world wasn't watching you, you didn't
have multimillion dollar contracts on the line, one era can
be potentially fatal.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
It's just like it's nuts to me.

Speaker 16 (01:44:38):
And the funny thing is it's like, with all you
respect to Liam Lawson, it's not like he's contending for
the title. This is using a seat here for next season.
You know, the pointing into the title with the stapping
against the two McLaren guys. You know, there's the real
pressure point where we're talking about, you know, margins of
a second and six f seven on the table or
whatever it might be to keep a seat for next year.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
It's fascinating. All right, hey, thank you, looking forward to
the Elliott Smith is then for weekend Sport right after
the midday news. Before midday, we got new music for
you from Lily Allen. Your book picks for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team fulk Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by NEWSTALKSEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Nineteen to twelve on Newstalks EDB. Katherine Rain's our book reviewer,
has two great reads for us all this weekend. Good morning, Catherine,
Morning Jack. Let's begin with the latest from John Grisham.
Tell us about the widow.

Speaker 22 (01:45:27):
So this is find yourselves in rural Virginia. And there's
this small law firm and it operates on the corner
of Maine and Maple, and it deals in everyday issues.
And it's been eighteen years of hard work for Simon
Latch who's the attorney and counselor at law. And to
be perfectly honest, he's kind of had enough of his life.
But actually he spends any money he has on sports gambling.

(01:45:50):
So he's in a lot of debt and struggling to
make ends meet. When all of a sudden, this elderly
widow named Eleanor comes into his office wanting to have
her will redone. She's no children, but her last husband
had a couple of young lads who she finds quite
awful and doesn't want to have anything to do with.

(01:46:13):
And so it really transpires in as she starts talking
that her late husband had multiple shares in some very
well known companies, and of course she has no one
to leave her vast fortune too, and Simon sees this
as an opportunity to do what all awful lawyers do
and inflate his fees and make his life a little easier.
But things don't go to plan at all, and Alana's

(01:46:36):
story doesn't really make sense. Can she be trusted? She's
very cagy in details, and she's an incredibly elusive woman.
And then the story switches and Simon finds himself on
trial for a crime he says that he doesn't commit.
And that's where you head into the story that Grisham
is so good at. You get the trial and the

(01:46:57):
tension and the twists and some really interesting characters and
the suspense and of course a town, small town full
of secrets, and that court room tension, which he is
an absolute master of. So without giving too much of
the story away about how Simon ends up there, it
is perfect John Grisham, really good story.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Oh so good. Okay, cool, That's the Widow by John Grisham.
You've also read Last One Out by Jane Harper.

Speaker 22 (01:47:22):
This also focuses on our small town and it's a
town that's losing its heart and slowly dying. And Last
One Out set in this place in use in rural
South Wales, New South Wales called Caroline Ridge, and it's
houses and buildings, once a thriving place, have been brought
up by this mining company that operates on its outskirts

(01:47:44):
and it's been really left to rot and it's almost
derilict and you hear this constant noise of the coal
mine and its operation. That's twenty four hours and it
echoes through this narrative, the noise, the dust, the trucks,
and the landscape disappearing. But actually where the story starts
is with this young man, Sam Crowley on his twenty
first birthday and he's visiting these three very different, diferent

(01:48:06):
empty houses on the outskirts of the town and you
discover that this is the day and the last day
that anyone saw Sam and he's disappeared. And then the
story moves ahead five years later when Sam's mum, Row
returns to the town for the anniversary of his disappearance,
and we also meet her husband Griff, and her daughter
Delia and Delilah Sorry, and they're all dealing with their

(01:48:27):
grief and Sam's disappearance and this pressure of this town
and tearing families apart, and Roe really suspects some foul
play and you really left guessing as to what happened
to Sam, and you get these kind of slow moments
in the story that gives you some clues about what
might happen. And then there's these mine owners and people
and this misplaced nostalgia about what this town is and

(01:48:49):
this unraveling of this community and impact on the people.
And it is quite slow paced, but you're really drawn
into the slow unraveling of the Sam of the story
and Sam and his disappearance and the investigation by his
mum and that dry, dusty middle of Australia. Need you
feel about it?

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
Okay, very good. So that's last one out by Jane Harpy.
Catherine first book is The Widow, which is the latest
from John Grisham. Both of those are up on the
news Talk we se'd b website and a couple of
minutes the latest album from Lily Allen, her first album
in seven years. It's called west End Girl. So I'll
pick out one of the good tracks to give you
a listen.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
Know Saturday Morning with Jack dam Youth talks at me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
All alone from in a hotel on my own now
the west and.

Speaker 6 (01:50:02):
Hi, how are you?

Speaker 7 (01:50:04):
I miss you?

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
That's interesting. There's Lily Allen that songs called west End
Girl and don't worry that wasn't us doing something wrong.
That's actually how the song goes. It's a very Lily
Allen thing to kind of mess with us like that.
Chris Schultz has been listening to her new album. The
album's called west End Girl as well. Good morning, sir Jack, Well, Yeah,
that was. She does that a like, doesn't She's always

(01:50:26):
done a bit of a like I'm going to talk
to you.

Speaker 15 (01:50:28):
Now, very yeah, very personal artists always dives into her
own story, if you like her own her own whatever's
been going on in her life. We don't hear from
her a lot. She we haven't actually heard any music
from her in seven years. This was only announced about
a week ago, so it was a bit of a surprise.
Also a surprise is what it's about. This is the

(01:50:50):
most excruciatingly intimate breakup album I have ever heard.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
It is.

Speaker 15 (01:50:58):
Savage, like are you a Daily Mail reader?

Speaker 7 (01:51:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Not usually I do. I did you know what I'm
going to confutre to you? I did just open the
Daily Mail so that I could look at photos of
Rajasthan's prince. I am an occasional Daily Mail user. You know.

Speaker 15 (01:51:14):
Did you see any of the stories, the multiple stories
they are writing up about this album and what she
is saying. They are having a field day.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
It's like daily mail content.

Speaker 15 (01:51:26):
I'll give you an example. She's got a song on
there called Tennis. It's kind of like this the centerpiece
of the album, and it's about how her husband, former husband,
former husband X. We know who this is about, by
the way, it's David Harbor. This the Stranger Things actor.
That makes it even more I don't know, grueling, but
Tennis is about how this guy started playing tennis on

(01:51:49):
a woman I'd never played tennis before. And then she
starts going through his phone, and she finds some text
from a woman called Madeline, and so she stops the
song and she just says who's Madeline over and over again,
and then she builds it into the chorus, and then
the song ends with what I believe to be an
actor reading out text between her and the other woman.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Oh wow, she doesn't sound like a relaxing Listen, it's not.

Speaker 15 (01:52:16):
I when on my lunch break yesterday with my headphones on,
I put it on. If you'd seen me, I was wincing.
I was literally like, oh no, she didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
She didn't just say that.

Speaker 15 (01:52:25):
But she sings it so sweetly. She does it in
this beautiful, little angelic voice, like if you were just
kind of like passing by, you'd think, oh, that's a
nice pop song. If you listen to the lyrics, it
is brutal, just completely sav it. It's like Beyonce's Lemonade.
You remember Becky with the good heir.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 15 (01:52:42):
Everyone's trying to find out her Medaline. But yeah, every
song on the album is about a different part of
that relationship. One of them's about her pseudonym that she
uses on Tinder now Dallas. Oh wow, so's she's back out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
She's dating me right, very good on Tinder as well.

Speaker 15 (01:52:59):
It'd be a brave person at this point who would
date Lily Allen. She's now done this twice to two marriages,
where she's written entire albums about.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Had been married twice.

Speaker 15 (01:53:10):
Yeah, she's got two teenagers from the first marriage, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Yeah, she's lived a life. Okay, so not necessarily a
relaxing listen if you're focusing on a lot of the content.
But what about the music itself? What was your kind
of sceense? Poppy enough, it's.

Speaker 15 (01:53:26):
Kind of what it's called West End Girl, and it's
got a bit of a theatrical bent to it. Yeah,
it's upbeat, it's sparkly, and yeah, like I said, she
sings really sweetly, So it does. It's off putting because
you're listening and you're like, oh, this is this is
a nice vibe, and then you listen to what she's
saying and it's like you almost want to sit there
with a notebook, like it's like going through someone's diary

(01:53:48):
and almost you know, like she talks about going through
his bedside drawer and then how he snatched the phone
off her when when she was looking at his Instagram, right,
and how he bought a handbag for another woman and
it was really expensive. By the way, I should point
out she's said that this is a mix of fact
and fiction, so we don't know what is real and

(01:54:10):
what isn't. But it's so specific I would I think
I'm I'm going towards like most of this as feels like.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Fact because it's so detailed, and maybe the fact in
fiction is the way to get around some legal issues.

Speaker 15 (01:54:21):
That's also what I think too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Okay, Right, So when you think about her previous albums
and her breakthrough the one last seven years ago? What
was the one seven years ago called I Can't remember?
How does it compare?

Speaker 11 (01:54:33):
Like? Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Is it? Are we going to hear it playing in
every shop leading up to Christmas? Is that it got
that kind of retail pop appeal that some of their
previous i've had or not so much.

Speaker 15 (01:54:42):
I think the lyrics, I mean there's a lot of
swearing in it, right, so I don't think it's that
radio friendly. I could see people going along to the show.
If you've been spurned, if you're in a breakup right now,
you would want to Yelly's lyrics from the top of
your lungs. I reckon this is going to reignite your career.
It's had rave reviews across the board. Yeah, a lot
of five star reviews. Yeah, I love it. I mean
maybe not from David Harbor. It feels definitely not from

(01:55:04):
David Harbor. It feels like a Fiona Apple album.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Oh wow, okay, yeah right, yeah, yeah, that's personal. Yeah, okay, cool.
We'll have a bit more of a listener in a
couple of minutes. What'd you give it?

Speaker 15 (01:55:13):
I'm giving it four stars?

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Okay, great, which is eight out of ten in our
rating system, eight out of ten, maybe even a nine
out of time. I love it, Chris. Thank you, Chris Schultz.
And with his thoughts on Lily Allen's new album. You
can find Chris on substeak. Of course, you can see
his substack. It's called boiler Room. And we'll have a
bit more of a listen to Lily album, Lily Allen's

(01:55:35):
new album in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jatam
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
B That is us for another Saturday morning to get
Thank you very much for all of your texts and
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be for everything from our show, news Talks, HEEDB, dot
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up there. Elliot Smith's in the hot seat this afternoon.
For weekends. Sport of thanks is always to my wonderful

(01:56:04):
producer Libby for organizing the whole show. Oh my gosh,
I've just realized it's two months to Christmas. It's the
twenty fifth of October today, gulp, get organized. We're gonna
leave you with Lily Allen. Her new album is west
End Girl. This is four chan stand. See you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live
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