Full Show Podcast: 27 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good Morning News. Welcome to Newsborg's ed B Jack Tame
with you Sturt the Midday today. So the year was
two thousand and eight. I remember it because it was
a bit of a one off. The Police decided to
do a reunion tour after however, many years apart, however
many acrimonious years, the three members of the Police, Andy

(01:07):
and Stuart got back together. They did a world tour.
They played Wellington and Auckland and the Tame family decided
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
It was a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It was a big thing for our family, the first
time really that we'd gone to a big stadium show together.
We lived in christ Church at the time, so the
whole family packed up, we upsticks for the weekend, made
our way to the Capitol, went and saw the Police
form and it was performed and it was fantastic. Fair
to say too that it was probably a one off

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because given the relationships between Stuart, Copeland and Sting haven't
really improved since two thousand and eight. I think it's
extremely unlikely that the Police are going to be performing
as a band ever again. However, there is a bit
of light in their dark tale, or their dark tale
of their relationships. Stuart Copeland, drama for the Police, is

(01:58):
making his way back to New Zealand. He's actually had
this really amazing diverse career so as well as playing
for the Police and playing in several other bands, he
has been composing music for operas and orchestras. He's making
his way to New Zeeland with a spoken word to her,
He's going to be our special guest after ten o'clock
this morning, so really looking forward to that. Before ten.
If you're looking for a delicious little recipe to set

(02:19):
you up for the rugby this evening, boy, do we
have it for you. Our cook is in with her
easy fish taco recipe to get you in a kind
of springtime mood. So we'll share that with you very
shortly right now though it's nine minutes past nine.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Team.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Look, I make no bones about it. I am a
little bit of an apple yuppie. I think that's what
you call me. Yeah, I'm a bit of an apple yuppy, right.
I was hooked to Apple products at a bit of
a critical time. Traveling across the US as a one
man TV news making band, I often found myself in

(02:55):
seat thirty two B of a cut price red Eye flight,
totally dependent on a laptop with sufficient grunt to edit
HD video for our at a time, and sufficient durability
so that when it got knocked about in the overhead locker,
the casing around my laptop would remain in one piece.

(03:15):
So Apple it was. And the way these companies work
is that the moment you rely on them for one thing,
they're very good at getting their claws out and squeezing
you ever closer. So I went from being an Apple
MacBook user to being an iPhone user, to being an
iPad user, to being an AirPod user, to being an

(03:36):
iCloud subscriber too. I'm more or less trapped within the system. Honestly,
I'm locked into paying Apple every month until I leave
this mortal world. But finally I think I'm drawing the line.
So Apple, alongside its new phones, has just released its
latest Apple Watch, and it's finally caught up to much

(03:59):
of these smart device competition by giving users a daily
sleep score. So the idea is that you wear your
watch to bed, and with its little senses and whatever technology,
it measures your heart rate and your blood oxygen saturation,
and your temperature, your movement. It records what time you
go down, It records the number of disturbances you have,

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your various sleep cycles, and how much time you ultimately
spend between the sheets, and then one to one hundred,
it gives you a score. Of course, you can be
smart scored on all manner of things in life these days.
So you can get a smart toothbrush, for example, that'll

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connect to a n app on your phone and give
you personalized feedback on your brushing technique. Breezed over a
lower molar too quickly, did you, Well, I'm sorry to
say that's going to affect your score. You can get
a smart razor that'll do the same thing. Pushed a
bit hard on a tricky chin, dimple stiff cheese that

(05:03):
will affect your score. You can buy a s water
bottle that will score your hydration. You can be scored
on your light exposure. You can be scored on your posture. Apparently,
if you're really curious, there is even a market in
devices that will score individual sexual well being. Just maybe

(05:24):
don't google limit work. But to me at least, there
is a fundamental contradiction at the heart of the sleep
score concept. If I'm having a bad night's sleep, if
something's keeping me up, few things are guaranteed to make
it worse than knowing I'm being assessed. I just know

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that I'd get anxious. I would stress out even more.
I would toss and turn and flip my pillow back
and forth. And for what, just to read a number
in the morning that tells me what I already know.
The thing is, I don't need a smart watch or
a special ring. I don't need a wearable to know
that I've had a bad night's sleep. I know because

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I feel bad. So I should have gone to bed earlier,
or shouldn't have had that late afternoon coffee. I should
have turned off those other screens and devices before getting
between the sheets. Thank you. But instead of looking up
a score, I'll just turn to a mirror instead. Jack
Team ninety two ninety two is our text number this morning,

(06:30):
Jack at Newstalks hedb dot co dot and said is
my email address if you want to get in touch.
A little later in the show, we are expecting Whinston
Peter's the Foreign Minister to make his address at the
United Nations. The thing is at the moment, it's scheduled
for about eleven o'clock. But the thing is, with the
UN you can never be totally sure because sometimes people
speak for longer than they're supposed to. Sometimes they're a

(06:51):
technical problem. Sometimes people speak for shorter than they're expected to.
I think Trump spoke for about forty minutes, longer than
he had been expected to the other day. So we're
expecting the Foreign Minister to make his remarks and confirm
New Zealand's position on Palestine at about eleven o'clock this morning.
But I'm going to keep you up to speed throughout
the morning. We'll keep a close eye on the schedule
and see how that's going. In New York, Kevin Milton

(07:12):
is going to kick off the show for us in
a couple of minutes. Right now. It's fourteen minutes past night,
and I'm Jack David's Saturday Morning and this is News Talk.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Z'd be no better way to kick off your weekend
than with Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk
SEDB Dolly.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Jack says Pete this morning, I wonder how we got
by in the olden days without a sleep score.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean, obviously this does work for some people. Maybe
it encourages them to have better sleep hygiene, like so
get off screens a bit earlier and try and get
to bed at a reasonable hour. And that kind of
thing certainly wouldn't work for me. Jack says Gilly. I
was at that police show in Wellington. It was fantastic.
Do you remember Fergie was the warm up act. Yes,

(07:56):
it was one of those things. I mean, it was great,
but it was like I if you imagine a ven
diagram of Fergie fans and fans of the Police. I
didn't anticipate there'll be a huge amount of crossover, you
know what I mean. I was like, oh, okay, I
presume it's something with a label or whatever. But I
remember thinking like, oh, it seems a bit unusual that
you'd have Fergie performing with the police. But yes, I

(08:17):
do remember that. So Stuart Copeland with us after ten
o'clock this morning, really looking forward to that. If you
want to send me a text, ninety two ninety two
is the text number, Jack and Newstalks, he'd be dot
cod on. You don't forget that standard texts costs apply
if you are sending me a text this morning. Kevin
Milne is here with us this Saturday. Hey Kevin, how
are you?

Speaker 6 (08:37):
I'd be interested in the daily sleep score, at least
for a few weeks, because I think that there's a
difference during how much sleep we think we've had in
the night and how much we actually get. Of course,
it's hell hard to tell that unless you've got a
reliable phone that can tell you. My wife's got one,
and she she promises us to tell me what it is,

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but she sets it for herself all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, so do you do that? Do you do the
activity rings or you know that you step counter or
anything like that.

Speaker 6 (09:07):
No, I don't. No, I don't do any of those things.
I'm just fascinated by sleep really because sometimes I think
I've gone almost right through the night in his sleep, Yeah,
but then something will crop up. Linda will say you
were storing last night, and I'm thinking, well, I can
have been better.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
I was.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
So that's what I've been sited in the sleep score
for how much sleep do are we actually getting without
realizing it.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
There are also some parts of those monitors and apps
and things I think you can get a snore score, Kevin,
So that could be an option for you as well.
Maybe that's a way to start with the window instead
of saying just a sleep get a snare score as well.
But anyway, you want to raise a tricky issue about
ambulances this morning.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
Yeah, we know you don't we to call an ambulance
straight away with stroke, a heart attack or men andingitas
if we pick that up, But what about other stuff?
A little drama on Wednesday night. I got on to bed,
tried sleeping, then tried to get up for a glass
of water, couldn't. I tried to lift my head off
the pillow, excruciating pain in the neck. Tried again again

(10:12):
shut nerve pain in my neck. My yelps woke Linda up,
who saw that I was in distress. I told her
the problem. She tried to help me out of bed,
but it was too painful. I couldn't get out. Linda
checks her phone under nerve pain and neck. Turn out
it could be arthritis, herniated disc, stiff neck, even meningitis.

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Her thoughts, if you can't stand up and you're in
real pain, we'd better call an ambulance. No, no, I said, no, no,
let's wait. It might come right. But it didn't, and
Linda suggests we call an ambulance immediately rather than wait,
which is always the advice. I protest. There'd be a hooh,

(10:55):
the neighbors would be thinking I'd had a heart attack,
and if I'm tagging into the hospital, we're in for
a huge disruption to our lives for all the wrong reasons.
I convinced Linda not to call an ambulance straight away.
After a painful, sleepless night. In the morning, I managed
to get on my feet and called my health center.

(11:17):
I told the nurse a symptoms. She told me I
likely had a stiff neck, but take some panadole, do
some stretches and it'll come right, which it did, and
once again I was left to consider that advice. If
you're worried there's something serious, don't buck around. Call an

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ambulance straight away. Had I done that, I'd have been
fronting up at the emergency department in Wellington with nothing
more than a stiff neck.

Speaker 8 (11:48):
Embarrassing.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
It's a really tricky thing that jackay, knowing when or
not to call an ambulance.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yes, and I think if there's any sentilla of a
chance that you might be wrong, You're best to err
on the side of calling it, aren't You get if
there's this should be all right. But if you just
think maybe not, then you really want to be making
that call.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Yeah, I guess so, you know. But if you're wrong
and you go into town.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Have been embarrassing yeah yeah, yeah, you're awkward and.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
You're in Wellington without a car. If they suddenly say, look,
it looks like you got the stuff neck give old boy.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, you like.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
I've had stuff next all my life, but never like
the one I had the other night.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
What do you think do you think caused it? It
was just just a bad slop.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
I think probably just sleeping in the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Look, I got the product for you, Oh dear, Well, look,
I'm I'm glad that I'm glad that you turned out
okay in the end, because you know, sometimes people when
they've done their back, they really do need an ambulance
and they need assistance being lifted and all that kind
of thing. So I'm glad that things would be.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
The thing you should say. Yeah, interesting, you should say
about it back because it felt just like lower back pain.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, right, hey, very quickly before we let you roll off.
I just want to be double sure you're not going
to the rugby tonight.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
Are you.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, that's a great relief.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Yeah, that's a great Now I'm in the wrong town
for that.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well no, but I mean, given given the result against
the spring Box two weeks ago, that's probably good that
you're actually choosing to what you mean.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Now.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
I stay well away.

Speaker 9 (13:29):
Thanks.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
In fact, I'm not sure that I've attended a game
in recent years where I got the result of Wondon
of any type.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Anyway, staying far away then this evening, Thank you. We
will catch again very soon. That is Kevin with us
this morning. Thank you so much for your text this morning.
Jack Garman's sleep Score Garment is a company that kind
of competes with Apple. They have smart watchers and monitors
and that kind of thing. Jared's is a garment. Sleep
Score has totally ruined my sleep for all of the

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reasons you highlighted this morning. I'm a cockcase, says Jared
and Jack. Yes, Kevin could have caught healthline. That's a
very good point. Health line is an option. Although if
you do think it's an emergency and you know you
shouldn't hesitate too much. But health Line, in my experience,
have been incredibly helpful and responsive, so that's always a
good option too. Twenty three minutes past nine, our Sporto

(14:19):
with his thoughts on the all blacks and black ferns
chances this evening when he joins us in a couple of.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Minutes getting your weekends started, It's Saturday morning with Jack
team on news talksb Oh.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Language has been a bit confusing this morning on news Talks,
said bigod a, Jack, will you confuse me twice this morning?
First of all, you came out immediately and said you
like the police. Well, I do like the police. But
you're talking about the police as in the police the police.
But I'm talking about the police as in sting and
the police. I like both versions of the police. Is
that okay? And then when you mentioned apple, I thought, oh,

(14:56):
this would be interesting, Jackson be talking about fruit prices. Nope. Wow,
how language has changed? No under this confusion? Yeah, thank
you for that. Ninety two to ninety two. If you
want to send us a message this morning. It is
funny that I liked the police. I was thinking about
I was thinking about the band when I was preparing
for our interview with Stuart Right and thinking about all

(15:16):
of the music that used to play in our house.
And my dad loves music, absolutely loves music, and in
our house there was barely a minute put that passed
without him playing his favorite records. And the thing is,
it was always him playing his music. He always got
to choose what was on the stereo. He was always
choosing what he'd play, and it was, you know, stuff
like Cream and Jimmy Hendrix and the original Fleetwood Mac

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and the Police. And when you're a kid, you sort
of roll your eyes at your parents' music, But of course,
as you get a bit older, all of a sudden,
you start to see some of the merits in it,
and it's the music that's familiar for you, and it's
music that you come to really love. So I think
i'd kind of roll my eyes at like stinging the
Police for the first fifteen years of my life. And
then all of a sudden, when I had a little

(16:02):
bit of money from my first jobs and decided to
go out and buy my first albums, my first CDs,
I bought the greatest hits by staying in the police.
Funny how it kind of goes full circle anyway, right,
twenty eight minutes past nine, our sporto is Andrew Savill,
big big weekend of sport. Let's start off with rugby,
sav and let's start off with the All Backs. We'll
do the Black Friends in a couple of minutes. But

(16:22):
Eden Park has sail out once again this evening. The
bled on the line and a few murmurs this week
that maybe with some of the All Backs changes, maybe
given their recent performances, this could be the best chance
the Wallabies have had to take that Bled as low
in twenty odd years. Yeah, I think so, Jack.

Speaker 10 (16:42):
However, the Wallabies have lost some key players, four or
five key players, a couple of the forward pack who
played so well, Rob Valetini and Will Skealton. They played
so well against the Lions and the start of this
champ and and the start of the championship, and the
Aussies still just don't have the depth. Well we used
to have more depth in New Zealand rugby, but you'd

(17:02):
still back the All Blacks to have better depth. So
that's the Wallaby side of the things. I think the
All Blacks Cody Taylor's back, huge amount of experience, up
front cam Roy Guard who looks like a fantastic long
term All Black half back. He has been hampered by
injuries the last couple of years, so let's sape he

(17:23):
gets on a bit of a run here. But those
two key changes and I think Jordan back to fall
back really interesting to see how Caleb Clark goes on
his home patch. He's very good or it's always usually
been very good in the year. So if the Wallabies
do decide to go through that route, then I'm sure
Caleb Clark will handle himself well. I'd imagine it'll be

(17:44):
a running game though.

Speaker 7 (17:45):
Jack.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
Look, it's quite humid today in Auckland and it's got
that feel of the calm before the storm. And I
think the weather is supposed to possibly pack up around
lunchtime but clear by five o'clock.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
So fingers crossed.

Speaker 10 (17:58):
And if you're going to Eden Park to get there
for a seven o'clock kickoff, you'll miss the game.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Don't forget it at five o'clock. That's a that's a
very important. There will be someone who does it, you
know that, A like someone get it wrong and go
like they like saving tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
Mate.

Speaker 10 (18:18):
How many people who arrived late to things tomorrow. Yeah,
But Jack, from what I've seen of the All Blacks
this week, they've they've been very up front. They've I've
realized that they've admitted to really letting themselves in the
country down on that second half in Wellington. So it's
all therefore them, it's on their home fortress, as it's
like to be Eden Park likes to describe itself and

(18:43):
against the Wallaby team that, yeah, is threatening and Joe
Schmidt and Mike Cron had done a fantastic job with this,
with this with this Wallaby team. The other factor could
be the Italian referee. I'm not too sure why he
would get such a big game, but that's for rugby's decision.

(19:05):
I think it was a Georgia referee in Wellington. I'm
not saying it was his fault the All Blacks fell
apart in the second half. But let's hope the Italian
referee doesn't have too much influence tonight. I thought, honestly, Jack,
and I remember talking to you, I thought the All
Blacks would lift again in.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
That Wellington test.

Speaker 10 (19:23):
That very wrong, But I just get the feeling tonight
there will be a response from the All Blacks and
they should win and therefore retain the bleederslow.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Even before Perth next week. Yeah yeah, I hope So right,
Blank Ferns versus France this evening obviously not the game
they wanted to be better.

Speaker 10 (19:39):
The lead down, isn't it really a bit of a
The All Blacks have played third place playoffs for four
it's I'm sure it's hard to lift for but of
a nothing game. I think the French have finished six
or seven times in third place at World Cups, so
they are specialists at it. On the on the flip side,

(19:59):
you've got three or four players and that Black Ferns
are probably going to be playing their last test match,
so you know there's still a fair amount to play
for for the Black Funds. Yeah yeah, I really hope
they can get up, especially with you know, the likes
of Porsial Woodmen potentially playing her last game.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know it'd be nice to I missed your opening.

Speaker 10 (20:15):
So do you have Stewart Copeland on this morning?

Speaker 8 (20:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, I know he's lived a life. The
thing is that so him and Sting are having a
like they yes, and during I mean they used to fight,
They used to physically fight in the studio.

Speaker 10 (20:30):
He's a great, one of the one of the great drummers.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Absolutely, just an amazing He's had this kind of amazing
like kind of arp to his musical career in that
he's like he writes operas now, so he's had he
does all sorts of all sorts of different things and has,
you know, all sorts of kind of amazing stories. Very entertaining.

Speaker 11 (20:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, although I've got to I'm gonna just have to
be a bit diplomatic. I think about sting, I'm not
gonna say, yeah, what do you think of singing? Is
so amazing?

Speaker 10 (21:03):
Weren't they great?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Weren't they great songs that have that have lived forever. Absolutely,
I mean you think of the likes of Roxanne and
every breath you take. But actually it's stuff like you know,
like walking on the moon. Ye think about that base
message yeah, or message in a bottle?

Speaker 9 (21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Anyway, Yeah, so very much looking forward to chatting to
him after ten o'clock this morning, so I stick around
for that. So I enjoyed the games this evening. And
don't forget of course that News Talks B is gonna
have live coverage of the All Blacks versus the Wallabies
Eden Park. This evening, Elliott Smith, Jason Pine and the
team will have the call as the All Blacks look

(21:40):
to defend that bledders Low and defend that Eden Park record.
Before ten o'clock we're in the kitchen. Our cook has
that amazing fish taco recipe for us. And next up,
our film reviewer has been to see the Jacinder r
Durn documentary Prime Minister, so she'll give us her thoughts
in a few minutes. Twenty seven to ten.

Speaker 12 (22:16):
I don't need to.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
This is Rita Aura. It's got a new song called
all Natural. It's new as of this week, I think
a couple of days a couple of days old. Maybe
it's got a bit of a saucy music video as well,
directed by Takaway t to her husband. So yeah, I'm
not gonna describe it. You can go and look it
up online. Of that you think anyway, it's Jesse Little
number eight right. Oh it is twenty three minutes to

(22:41):
ten on News Talks. He'd be Francesca Rudkin, our film
reviewers here with the picts for this weekend. More Ener,
Good morning. Okay, we've got two films, both of them
showing and cinemas this morning very different indeed to one another.
But let's start off by having a little bit of
a Listen to the first one. This is Prime Minister.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
I have three years to do as much as we can.

Speaker 13 (23:02):
But in the back of my mind I thought, how
am I going to do this with a baby business.

Speaker 14 (23:07):
I just feel sorry for myself listening to that, because
I just have no idea what's coming.

Speaker 13 (23:12):
There were two groups on the island, those who were
evacuated and those close to the eruption.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
We only have six cases at the moment.

Speaker 13 (23:20):
This can only be described as a terrorist attack. Crises
make governments and they break governments.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
That is, of course, the voice of Justindera during this
is the disinderadun documentary tell us about Prime Minister Francesca.

Speaker 13 (23:35):
Okay, I think the most important thing you need to
know about this film is that if you're looking for
an objective examination of her government's policies, the achievements and failures,
you're not going to get that here. That wasn't really
the intention of the filmmakers or for this film. This
is more a This film offers actually something quite unique

(23:57):
that we don't see very often. It's very sort of
intimate and personal look behind the scenes at the toll.
The job takes on a person and that's not what
you mus get to do this job ran, so you know,
we don't have the experience of what it would be like,
and you kind of what we show in here is
the unrelenting, cumulative impacts of dealing with some of the

(24:18):
biggest tragedies New Zealand's faced in recent times. The film
sort of starts off in twenty twenty four in the US,
where the Prime Minister is working at Harvard. She's also
starting to work on the memoir, and as part of that,
she's listened to a lot of her political diaries or
history projects, and the filmmakers kind of come in and sort.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Of speak to her.

Speaker 13 (24:36):
Lindsay Ootz and Michelle Waltz kind of talk to her about,
you know, what it's like for her to go back
and listen and reminisce about this and things. I think
they could have pushed a little bit further, because actually
the Prime Minister is pretty candid and it's pretty open,
and I think that they could have maybe pushed a
little bit further with her to sort of see what
else that she would reveal and the structure of the

(24:58):
documentary is quite straightforward. We kind of go back and
we start with, you know, the sort of creating a
coalition with Winston Peter's and then we work our way through,
you know, her pregnancy in office, the terror attack, you know,
the twenty twenty general election for Charlie White Island and
of course COVID nineteen. So it kind of takets all
those boxes of the things that the Prime Minister went through,

(25:18):
but you know, they were pretty unprecedented things. So but
it's quite interesting to go behind the scenes and watch it.
I think what makes the documentary is Kurt Gayford very
I think, very sensibly kind of when when she became
Prime Minister, he was kind of looking around going this
is kind of quite crazy. And he's a filmmaker, right, storyteller,
and he was walking around going, no one's filming this,
So he started filming and in little moments behind the

(25:41):
scenes and he just kind of kept going. And I
think that that's the kind of footage and they're the
insights that really make this documentary Country and Look, to
be honest with you, I quite like keving a poke
around Premier House. I like seeing you know, the bee Hive.
What you know, a lot of us were not subjected.

Speaker 15 (25:58):
To that, So yeah, I know that, you know, the
potential subjects can be triggering, but if you take a
sort of a step back, it is quite an interesting
look at the role of leadership and you know, and
of what it really entails being a prime minister.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay, yeah, very interesting. So that is Prime Minister that
is showing in cinemas right now. Also showing in cinemas,
tell us about the French film Holy cow.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Oh look, this is just so delightful.

Speaker 15 (26:24):
This is a film from a French.

Speaker 13 (26:25):
Director, Louise Corvisier, and it was her first, her first
feature film, and it was sort of a bit no
one sort of really saw it coming, and it turned
out to be a huge surprise. Hat and Frig that
won the Youth Prize It Can, and it won a
couple of season awards and things. It's a social realist
drama slash comedy, but it's not grim and gritty. It's
actually it's filled with lots of heart and hope and

(26:47):
sunshine and things. And where we're in the Jura region,
so we're in quite a remote rural area. The main
characters is eighteen year old teenage boy who's very much
an eighteen year old teenage boy spartas a cheesemaker.

Speaker 15 (27:02):
He's got a young seven year old sister. His father
dies and he is.

Speaker 13 (27:06):
Really left to look after this young sister and try
and work out how to manage his grief and you know,
how to how to make a living. Essentially, he's really
not a coup to deal with what's happened to him.

Speaker 15 (27:19):
It's a real struggle.

Speaker 13 (27:20):
But along with some of this friends, he comes up
with this pretty unrealistic idea to become an award winning
cheesemaker and off we kind of go. What is fabulous
about this film, Jack, is that everybody in it, none
of them are actors. They're non professional actors. Clement Favo,
who plays touton our main character, he's actually a chicken
farmer in real life, and you really get that sense,

(27:44):
and I think that's what makes it. There is this
sort of authenticity to this story. You kind of yeah, No,
it's just it's just really delightful. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
That sounds really good, Okay, cool, Yeah, something completely different
as well, So that's holy Cout that is showing in
Cinema's That's a French film Prime Minister as Francisca's first
pick for us this week. Thank you so much, Francisca.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I thought the Prime Minister documentary was great of an
eye opener at one point it made me a shame
to be a Kiwi, says Filma. Oh, for goodness sake, Jack,
can we stop with our infatuation with just Sinda please,
says the next text. So there you go. Good to
see this not dividing people any less than in the past.
Is that we're just telling you about the film. Don't
worry ninety two if you want to send us a message, Jack,

(28:26):
I saw the police in nineteen eighty four at Western Springs,
the police, the band Coconut Ruff, Brian Adams and Australian
Crawl in support epic. My god, that's a hell of
a lineup. That would have been amazing. Yeah, what a
time to be there as well in nineteen eighty four,
so there would have been the absolute kind of heyday
of the police as well. After eleven o'clock. If you

(28:48):
can't be bothered making it to the cinema this weekend,
I don't know maybe that the weather at your place
is absolutely dreadful. Maybe you've done your neck or your
back like Kevin Melon. Good news, We've got our screen
time picks for this week, including this new series called
House of Guinness. So it's a series that is based
on a true story Guinness being yes, the Guinness, and

(29:08):
it's a drama set in the eighteen hundreds that follows
the Guinness family in Dublin after the family patriarch dies
and as four kids kind of have the breweries fate
in their hands. And I know when I describe it
like that, it sounds like a little bit like a
like a like a beer brewing version of Succession. But
our screen time expert Tara is going to be here

(29:29):
after ten o'clock with all the details on where you
can see House of Guinness, and she'll tell us a
bit more about the series as well. Right now, it's
sixteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Saturday morning, with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
US Talk said be fourteen minutes to ten on News Talks.
He'd be Nicki Works, our cook is here with us
this morning with a delicious, snappy little springtime recipe. Nicki,
good morning.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
It isn't bit snappy, isn't it?

Speaker 7 (29:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, so you are what next weekend going to be
in Port Charmers for the Seafood Festival. I've never been
to the Port Charmer Seafood Festival.

Speaker 16 (30:02):
I know, please put it on your bucket list or
I hate that expression actually, but please put it on
your wish list.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
Yes, because it's really special.

Speaker 16 (30:11):
Because of the produce they You know, you're right there
and sort of power Land, clam Land, white baked Land,
blue cord Land, crazy everywhere, and it's just one of
those food festivals where you know there's lots of different
food that you're there for the seafood and it's extremely God.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Would be So would that be I'm putting you on
the spot here. Would that be our best kind of
seafood region like Iago in the lower part of the
South Island.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Do you think I think you'd have to say?

Speaker 9 (30:40):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (30:41):
I really do, because when I mean, I was at
this festival two years ago and.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I was blown away.

Speaker 16 (30:45):
I was like, oh, people are lining up for half
craze well like butter on it at this festival.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Yeah, that doesn't happen everywhere.

Speaker 16 (30:52):
Oh look you can get a beautiful, big pile of
power of fritters.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Oh and I was really blown. Why it was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
It's really good.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
And the great thing about it is it's right on
the wharf. It's right at the port yea and port.

Speaker 16 (31:04):
I mean, I don't know the last time that you
were invited in Ports of Auckland, but I never get
invited there. They don't open that up to the public,
whereas on this one day Port Charmers opens up.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Ahpcial.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, I wandering around there's usually a bit of a
sort of health and safety thing, eh. I mean, like
as kids, we used to take My family used to
just for kicks. We are often our weekend activity, cheap
weekend activity would be the bundle the four kids into
the family van and we'd drive over to Littleton Harbor
and just walk around the walk around the port in Littleton.

(31:38):
And when I was a kid, you could just and
some of those old rules, you know, like one hundred
and one hundred and fifty years old, and you just
you're allowed to walk around them all, go stumble over
the gaps and it was just totally fin.

Speaker 16 (31:50):
Exactly stand on the edge around the ocean, pooling around
the big.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Good thing you're not allowed to do.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Probably a good thing.

Speaker 16 (31:59):
Yeah, but you are on this one day, so don't
you have a ticket? Nadie Live is going to be
there two and I've been really loving whose show, yes,
and so yeah, it's a good day.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 16 (32:07):
But look, I thought, you know, when you when we
think about seafood, sometimes we think it's very expensive. I
think because you look at you know, it's forty dollars
a kilo, it's forty five dollars a kilo. Whatever, snap,
I can get up to fifty dollars and all of that.
But I've got some easy fish tacos for you that
use about one hundred, one hundred and fifty grams of gurner.
And I bought this amount the other day and it

(32:27):
was cost me six six dollars something at my local fishmonger,
so it was nothing.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
And this is enough to make.

Speaker 16 (32:33):
About six taco, which if you're me, I'm a two
or three taco girl, I think you could say.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
So, you know, this feeds a few people.

Speaker 16 (32:41):
So look, get your lovely gurnet or snapper or whatever
you like. Really, it doesn't matter, you know. Travali's a
really lovely fish for this car wi would be great.
Sprinkle a bit of salt over it, dusted and a
little bit of flour that you've also put a teaspoon
of cuman seeds and there goes you kind of Mexican
flavor right there.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
That's where it starts, as those cuman seeds, and then
you're just.

Speaker 16 (33:02):
Going to fry that off beautifully so and a little
bit of oil while the fish cocks.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
You can want to warm some tortilla you can use.

Speaker 16 (33:10):
I love to use the proper corn tortillas, but if
you're tortilla, but if you're more into the.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Flower ones, you go for it.

Speaker 16 (33:17):
And I warm those up by putting them in a
little pile in a dry pan and I just kind
of rotate them as I'm cooking the fish. And you
want to stack those up. But prior to that, I
will have made some guacamole, because I don't think you
can have a taco without a bit of guacamole. And
avocado are really prime at the moment. They're cheap and
they're good. So throw a whole avocado with a big
handful of fresh coriander, bit of lemon or lime juice,

(33:38):
a little bit of chili, perhaps chili flakes in there,
good amount of salt and pepper. Yes, you can put
garlic in there if you like, but don't be putting
your chopped.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Tomatoes in there, thanks very much.

Speaker 16 (33:48):
No, I'm just about the green stuff you know in here.
So taste it, you know, mush it all up either
blender if you like it really smooth. You can also
when avocados are a bit expensive, I will do it
in a blender and I will thin it down with
a little bit of ice, cold water, and no one's
the wiser, and you get a beautiful, really smooth, beautiful guacamole.

(34:08):
Other people like the chunky thing. You go for it
to serve our little tortillas. Smear each tortilla with the guacamole,
and this helps with the juices from the fish and
the lemon juice and that not kind of make your
tortilla collapse. Top it with a bit of lettuce, then
your fish pieces. In the summer, i'd be using a
little bit of chopped tomatoes or salsa or something like that.

(34:28):
But really at the moment, we're not in there. We're
not in that tomato season. I know they're here all
year round, but I wouldn't be using them but a
fresh coriander, some lovely hot sauce and a good squeeze
of lime juice if you've got it.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Or lemon juice, fold and eat them. And they're just
insanely good.

Speaker 16 (34:44):
And as I say, a small amount of fish goes
a long way with these, you know, a pretty healthy dinner.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I think, I just reckon it's great. I mean, you
can turn anything into a taco these days, but it
was just so I mean, well, yeah, I've got to
be careful here because I do I do love I
like a little bit of pork and yeah, but that does.
I think it's very hard to get like super fresh
fish taco It's very very hard to beat.

Speaker 16 (35:09):
Oh, it's very hard to get them. Yeah, I agree,
so lok, yeah, knock yourselves out. There'll be someone selling
those at the festival. I guarantee it. Yeah, well, I
can't guarantee.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
It, but I bet there.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Well, yes, yeah, I guarantee this. Yeah yeah, Okay, Well,
we look forward to your reporting back. It's a tough
gig next weekend from the Port Charmer's Seafood Festival, and
we'll make sure we've got details for that up on
the News Talks. He'd be website as well. That's where
everything from our show goes, right, So Nicky's recipe, that
fish taka recipe will be up on the website very
very soon. Francisca's film picks Prime Minister and Holly count

(35:40):
All the details for those are up on the website
as well. Jack, I am an avid listener on Saturday mornings.
Absolutely love your show. But if you don't ask Sting
about fields of Gold, my favorite song ever, I will
never ever listen to you ever again.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I've got bad news.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I got bad news. Look, I'll say this, if Sting
was on, I would be asking Sting about fields of Gold, Okay,
in a heartbeat. However, Stuart Copeland is going to be
with us, the drama from the Police, who really doesn't
like Sting, is going to be with us after ten
this morning. He's an amazing drama and like an absolutely

(36:21):
vital part of the Police and their success. But he's
not a huge fan of Sting to say the least.
They literally had fisticuffs. They had fights when they were
recording together. Apparently you can actually hear some of it
in every breath you take. But yeah, I'm sorry to
let you down on that front. Take this though, I
will if we do have Sting on the show, I'm
going to put Libby on the job. She'll try and

(36:44):
track down Sting, convince him to get up in the
middle of the night and come on Saturday mornings. If
we get him on the show, I will ask him
about fields of gold. Seven minutes to ten here with
Jack Tam on News.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Talks, he'd be giving you the inside scoop on all
you need to know on Saturday morning with Jack dam
News Talks.

Speaker 8 (37:01):
I'd be.

Speaker 12 (37:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
We've just had a little update from New York. So
I said at the start of the show this morning
that times can be a bit changeable when it comes
to the UN General Assembly. That has been the case
this morning. So we're expecting Foreign Minister Winston Peters to
make his address at about quarter to eleven this morning.
Previously it was eleven o'clock. He's they're apparently running early
first for everything, so that's good news for all of

(37:25):
those people waiting for all the speeches to be done
at the General Assembly this morning. That's when we're expecting
Winston Peters to make a call on New Zealand's position
when it comes to Palestine. So anyway, after ten o'clock,
I will keep you up to speed, let you know
what is happening with all of that. For Norris is Jack.
If it was okay in the seventies and eighties and
nineties for us to walk around wolves, why is it
a good thing they don't do it now. I'm just curious.

(37:48):
I think it's a safety thing. Like even when I
think back to the wolves when I was a kid,
it wasn't exactly safe. In fact, sadly, they have had
lots of accidents I think at working ports with members
of the public have come down and tripped over things,
or been standing in the wrong place and that kind
of thing. It's just not super safe. So I think
that's why they have made that call these days. I'll
get tomorrow your feedback after ten o'clock. As well as that,

(38:10):
we're going to look at the biggest property price crashes
in history. So yep, New Zealand's been through a bit
of an up and a bit of a down over
the last few years, but my goodness, it doesn't compare
with the absolute record setter. So I'll share those with
you and of course, right after the ten o'clock news
feature interview the man hitting the high hat Right there,

(38:31):
Stuart Copeland, drummer from the Police, a man with an
extraordinary music career, is making his way to New Zealand.
But first he's chatting with us. News is next. It's
almost ten. This is News Talk ZEDV.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Team News Talk zbely Ah.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
That's an incredible song, isn't it. Stuart Copeland's drumming helped
define a generation. As the drummer for the Police, he
played at some of the world's and New Zealand's bigguse venues,
and Stuart is a muso's muso at heart. As well
as playing with the Police, he's worked extensively and composing
for film and TV. He's even written opera and now

(39:46):
eighteen years since he was last on our shores, Stuart
is returning for a very special spoken word to a
Stuart is with us this morning, Calder, good morning.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
Well, thank you very much. Good to be talking to
New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
It is cool.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
Looking forward to getting down there.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, we're delighted you're coming down. Tell us about the
show because I've spoken word to it. I suppose it's
a different kind of creative outlet.

Speaker 8 (40:11):
Well, it is. It's talking instead of banging stuff, which
requires a little more brain power. You know. Usually when
I'm behind the drums banging stuff, it doesn't take a
lot of intellectual exercise necessarily, But here actually having to
form sentences and so on, it's a little more challenging.
But fortunately, in my seventy something years, I've had a

(40:34):
couple of adventures which are fun to talk about.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, it must be. It must be so nice to
be able to kind of purposefully sit down with an
audience who is so keen to hear those stories and
actually reflect on them in an active way.

Speaker 8 (40:50):
Well, yeah, you know, it's much better than chatting to
somebody at a cocktail party or or any form of conversation.
You know, I've noticed that that singers, front persons and
bands are often very shy, And the reason that they're
become front person is because armed with a five jillion
watt PA, conversations are easier.

Speaker 17 (41:14):
People are forced to listen to you exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
So you I mean, you've been taking the show around
the place a bit, touring it around a little bit
and it's been incredibly well received. What has the experience
been like for you? Have you found that as the
shows have continued that you've been surprised about some of
the things that you found yourself coming back to or

(41:38):
reflecting on, or have you kind of gotten to a
rhythm with the same stories.

Speaker 8 (41:43):
Well, every audience amazingly laughs at different times and pauses
at different times, and cheers at different times, and that
keeps it interesting. Last night's gag that brought down the
house goes like a damp squib tonight and vice versa.
You know, just something throughout nothing tonight the place goes.
So every audience is different. That makes it much more

(42:04):
inspiring for me. And it is actually a lot of
fun to carry the room with you on one of
those adventures, whether it's chasing giraffes across the serengetti, or
chasing royalty across the polo fields of sirens sster you know,
or for that matter, chasing conductors across the stage in
the opera house. You know, when the audience is with

(42:28):
you listening, it is inspiring and it infuses your words
with kind of an extra mojo.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, So to give us a sense of the kinds
of stories you're telling without giving too much away, what
kinds of parts of your life and career are you
reflecting on the most.

Speaker 8 (42:43):
Well, pretty much covering most of it. Pre police and
curved air, my prog rock days, a lot of noodling
and self promotion. Of course, there's my family background, which
is I didn't realize until I grew up that my
family was really strange. My daddy was a spy in
the Middle East, busy imposing and sustaining dictators, despots and assholes,

(43:08):
and I thought it was perfectly normal to grow up
in Bairut Lebanon. Didn't everyone else, But it was different.
And so I've had a checkered career, my adventures in
Hollywood with Francis Coppola, Oliver Stone at all navigating all that.
But the cool thing about that I can share with

(43:29):
your listeners that is unexpected is that some of the
most valuable lessons I've learned about music were when I
was a stone cold employee, a composer for hire, a
hired gun flinty eyed film composer, and when the boss
man says I want this, I got to figure out
how to do this. Whereas an artist following their own

(43:50):
instincts doesn't have to do that. They don't have to
develop their skills beyond what their instincts are interested in.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, I mean you have just first of all, had
an incredibly varied and interesting life, like this kind of
rich range of experiences. But then even within the musical realm,
I mean this incredible kind of richness with your experiences.
So when you say that, you feel like you learn
more as an employee, like when those constraints were put

(44:19):
on you, those creative constraints by Heffington.

Speaker 8 (44:22):
Well he's constraints constraints as well as prads.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Yeah, go there, Yeah, don't do this.

Speaker 8 (44:30):
It's also I need that specifically, this emotion I need
to you know, the audience thinks this handsome guy who
says I love you to the beautiful woman and the
moon shining and everything. They're what they're seeing. The information
they're getting is he's handsome, she's pretty, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. However,
the plot is that he's an asshole, and so I

(44:50):
put my shit cord on him, and so the audience
they don't believe they're lying eyes. They believe my chord,
which informs them emotionally do not trust this guy, and
so it's not what I'm constrained. The film comes, there's
not so much constraint as he's pushed into doing very
specific using music to speak very specific emotional language.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, he's prompted, as you say, so is working on
a project like that. How do you compare the creative
satisfaction from a project like that with something wearby? You
are just out there making whatever music you want to make.

Speaker 8 (45:28):
Well, for one thing, I don't do that anymore. Yeah,
I haven't scored a movie in twenty or thirty years
or something like that. But I do the same job,
but the pay is much worse. And it's called opera. Yeah,
it's the same job. It's telling the story and guiding
the emotions with music, a lot more music, and an

(45:49):
opera the composer gets to be boss of everything, which
is another cool thing about it. But the pay sucks.
But I live a very simple life, so I can
afford to be an opera composer.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
How do you how do you reflect on the kind
of rational impact of your music and specifically of the police.
I mean, I'm not sure if you hear this all
the time.

Speaker 8 (46:12):
At least is one generation, but I've got another whole
bandwidth yeah of Spiro fans. Yeah yeah, game and people
of a specific age group who grew up playing Spiro.
Uh they find out, oh the music. Oh I love
the music, you know. And you know that the music guy,
you know, he used to play in a band. No
what band?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Uh you might have heard of it.

Speaker 8 (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, many people make that connection. But I'm very
proud of Spiro.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Well, I you know, I grew up in a household.

Speaker 8 (46:41):
Actually it actually succeeded to the same extent that the
Police did in a way. It's still going thirty years later.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
See that just must be so satisfying. Like I am.

Speaker 8 (46:51):
Yeah, dragons, you know, a pink dragon is much easier
to get along with than a certain bass player.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Just kidding, just kidding, Hey, you see it, not me, okay,
I I am so. I grew up in a household
where my dad would just always play music, his music
really really loud, right, And so we grew up with Hendrix,
with Cream, with the original Fleetwood Mac and with the Police.

(47:20):
And it's interesting because when me and my siblings all
moved out of home, we all ended up, you know,
the music that we rolled our eyes at when we
were kids ended up being the music that we all
bought for ourselves. And so I think buying a couple
of Police albums was one of the first things I
did once I left home, which is a bizarre thing.
So I just wonder how you kind of reflect on

(47:41):
having that kind of impact across generations in the same
way you mentioned with Spiro.

Speaker 8 (47:48):
Well, I'm actually still just digesting what you said about
that your dad turned you on to Jimmy Hendrix.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:56):
I was once driving my kids to school, you know,
the only way I could stay hip was driving my
kids to school and they would play with me what's
going on? And one day my daughter twelve, check this
out and it was Jimmy Hendrix.

Speaker 18 (48:09):
Ah, she said, you probably haven't heard of this guy.

Speaker 8 (48:16):
My goodness. But the idea that your dad I mean
for me. My dad raised me to be a jazz musician.
He raised me on on what is known as wrong jazz,
which is to say, white big band jazz, Stan Kenton,
Louis Belson, and well, of course Buddy Rich, which is cool.
But he raised me to be a jazz musician. But
when I heard Jimmy Hendrix, it was all about rebellion.

(48:38):
You know that for me, Jimmy Hendrix was a rebellion
against my dad. And there you are, growing up with
your dad turning you on to Jimmy Hendrix. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, It's amazing how these things happen, Right, This is
what I mean it. I feel like good music ultimately
bleeds into the next generation and it's passed on, and
yet it's it's a kind of there's a beautiful cycle
to it.

Speaker 8 (48:59):
Well, I'll share something else, and I've talked to this
with you know, McCartney and Ringo a Mick, you know,
Beatles and Stones, the people who came before me. None
of them, nor us in the Police, none of us
ever expected our music to last longer than ten minutes.
We play pop music. The music is to hit the

(49:19):
charts and be gone within a couple of weeks. Eat
it like a sandwich, you know, fast food. That's what
pop music is supposed to be. And so none of
us ever would have dreamed that, you know, whether the
Beatles or the Police would dream that the music would
live on. And I think something happened around the year

(49:40):
two thousand, around that time when suddenly retro became a
good thing. Old school became a compliment, and kids, I guess,
realized that the originals are somehow have more X factor
than the derivatives. And so around two thousand kids are
you know, on the radio. They're getting the derivatives until

(50:01):
somebody discovers the original. Jimmy Hendry go, wait a minute,
that's way better. And so God blessed the children of
the world that around that time they started to rediscover well,
the dinosaurs, which when and the police just scrapes into
that category.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
No, I think it's just a quality supersedes everything else.
I think there's nothing to do with being dinosaurs or
anything else. It's the same reason we listened to Beethoven today.

Speaker 8 (50:30):
For me, it was about rebellion. Yeah, yeah, because the
cultural divide between my generation and my parents was much
wider than the divide between you and your parents.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Hey, look, we're so delighted you're coming to New Zealand.
It is fantastic news, all the very best with have
I said too much? And we can't wait to see
soon Stuart.

Speaker 8 (50:51):
Looking forward to getting down there.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
That is Stuart Copeland. Have I said too Much? Is
his tour. We've got all the details on the news
tools he'd be website. What a privilege that is. Mars's
look me in out, Jack. I hope you realize how
much of a walking, talking, absolute bona fide legend you're
speaking with this morning. This guy I grew up with.
I just love what he has done, achieved and created

(51:13):
in music. Thanks Mars ninety two ninety two. If you
want to send us a text message this morning, that's
the text number to send us your message. I'm going
to get to more of your feedback very shortly before
eleven o'clock. We're in the garden and we're catching up
with our personal finance expert who is looking at the
state of the New Zealand property market, looking at what
has been a tumultuous period to say the least, and

(51:35):
comparing it with other big property crashes in history. So
he's going to give us a bit of a history
lesson before eleven o'clock. Next up, we've got your screen
time picks for this weekend. If you're looking for a
good show to watch your stream from the comfort of
your couch. Right now it's twenty past ten.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with
Jack daim Us Dogs.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
At the twenty three minutes past ten. That was outstanding, Jack, thanks,
says Paul. Thank you, Paul. Oh, am Marie has flicked
me a note she groomed Stuart Copeland's polo ponies in
Kurtlington in England back in the eighties. How amazing. That's
a great little connection. Thank you, am Marie. I'll get
to more of your feedback in a few minutes. Right now,
though it is screen time time. Tara Ward joins us

(52:20):
at this time every week with her three top picks
for shows to watch or stream at home. She's with
us this morning.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Hey, Tara Jerda, good morning.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Let's begin with a show on TV and Z one
and TV and Z Plus from tomorrow. Tell us about
I Fought the Law.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (52:38):
This is a new British drama and it's one of
those shows that the British do so well. It's a
true story of the underdog taking on the system and
eventually winning the stars. Sheridan Smith, and she plays a
woman called Anning and was a nurse and a mother
who took on the British legal system after her twenty
two year old daughter was murdered in nineteen eighty nine,

(52:59):
and she campaigned to overturn the double jeopardy rule, which
had existed for eight hundred years, and it meant that
people couldn't be tried twice in court for the same offense.
So Anne's campaign and the success of her campaign meant
that the man who killed her daughter, who was acquitted
because of miss trials, could be tried again and found guilty.
And it took years, but justice was done because Anne

(53:22):
never gave up.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
And so it's a really.

Speaker 19 (53:24):
Compelling, quite heartbreaking story. And Sheridan Smith has built her
career on portraying real life people who deal with huge adversity.
She was made for this role and she's so good
here as a grieving but very stubborn mother. The series
is based on a book that Anne wrote. She was
involved with the making of the show and so it's
quite true to her experience, and it's one of those

(53:47):
stories that will shock you and surprise you and make
you really mad, but at its heart, it's about a
human tragedy and it's about how far one mother will
go to justice. So yeah, you will need the tissues
for this.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
One, right, Okay, sounds really compelling. So that's I thought.
The Lord that's on TVNZ one and TVNZ plus streaming
on nets. Tell us about Wayward.

Speaker 19 (54:09):
This is intriguing you. Psychological thriller that's just started on
Netflix that's created by comedian May Martin and stars May
Martin and Tony Collette. And I mean when I see
tonyt Collette's name attached to something, you know that it's
going to be good. This is set in two thousand
and three in a small town in Vermont where there
is a school for troubled teens called Toolpine Academy, and

(54:31):
the teenagers there have been sent there by their desperate
parents and the school promises to sort their issues out
and turn them into valued members of society. And May
Martin plays a police officer who is new to town.
They bump into one of the students who is trying
to escape the academy and immediately become suspicious of what
is actually going on at the school behind closed doors.

(54:53):
Tony Collette is so great in this. She plays the
leader of the school. She's sort of like a cult
leader figure. She has this strange influence in town. She
knows everybody. There's a bit of a sinister edge to her.
And I think the show is going to get darker
and more creepier as it goes on. There's a bit
of a Twin Peaks vibe to this, which I really like.
There's a bit of uneasy energy, quirky small town nothing

(55:14):
is as it seems. This is a show that's going
to keep surprising you and taking you in different directions.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Nice. So that's streaming on Netflix. It's Wayward and your
third pick for us this week is also on Netflix.
House of Guinness.

Speaker 7 (55:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (55:28):
I've been waiting for this one for a while. This
is a historical drama about the Guinness family of Dublin,
and it's created by Stephen Knight, who makes a lot
of historical dramas like Pecky Blinders and A Thousand Blows.
So if you like Pecky Blinders, I think you will
like this as well. It's got that same kind of
big energy, big style to it. It's got a soundtrack,
but it's quite gritty and dramatic and it's set in

(55:50):
the eighteen sixties and it's about the wealthy Guinness family,
who of course created the world famous beer. The patriarch,
Benjamin has just died and his four children are left
to fight over who will succeed him. None of them
are particularly capable, which means that a guy called Shaw
Raffitee who's played by the always excellent James Norton, he
runs the Guinness factory. He sees the opportunity to step

(56:13):
up and take control. So there's a bit of a
succession feel to this. It's about power and money and
dysfunctional family and how people can be manipulated and controlled.
And it plays out against this background of Irish political
and religious tension, and the show is inspired by real
events and real people. But I think I think Stephen

(56:35):
Knight has used quite a bit of creative license here,
So I think if you go into this watching it
just as entertainment rather than a rareistick portrayal of Irish history,
I think you'll enjoy it a lot.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Okay, cool. So that's House of Guinness. That's on Netflix.
It sounds, like I was saying earlier, kind of like
a like a beer brewing succession. Yeah yeah, you've got yeah,
yeah exactly. Yeah, Okay, very good, thanks Tara. So that's
House of Guinness. It's on Netflix. Wayward is on Netflix
as well. That Usha's second pick, and I thought the

(57:09):
Lawa is the one with Sheridan Smith. That's on TVNZED
one and TV and Z Plus from tomorrow. All of
the details for those shows will be up on our
show page which is at Newstalks, SDB, dot co dot
NZ forward slash Jack. In a few minutes, we're going
to catch up with a texpert on Newstalk ZEDB. It
is a crunch time for TikTok. You know how TikTok

(57:29):
and the US government have been going back and forth
and back and forth and back and forth for ages. Now,
with Trump saying that TikTok under its current ownership structure
would not be allowed to continue operating in the US,
it looks like they have finally reached a conclusion a
partial sale. So our Textbert has all of the details
and will fill us in very shortly. I'll give you

(57:49):
a hint. Involves many, many billions of dollars. Surprise, surprise.
It's almost ten thirty Give with Jack tam on Newstorks ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 20 (58:07):
Ever can make you, make you right, make you.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
We belong together like the sun in the summer, palm founting.

Speaker 14 (58:19):
The Lemone shipping the home Alm.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I'm just lot totally sure about that, as we belong
together and Mariah Carey, I mean, just an amazing voice.
The amazing voice, doesn't it. She is a powerhouse, no
denying her legendary divas status. From the nineties right through
to Christmas, she has shaped our contemporary musical landscape and

(58:47):
she ain't stopping. Mariah has just dropped a brand new album.
The album is called Here For It All. Chris Schultz
is going to be in studio before midday today to
give us his thoughts on that. Plus he will give
us his views on Mariah deciding to skip New Zealand
on her world tour, which i know is devastating for
all the Mariah Carrey fans out there. But I'm going
to make sure we save a little bit of time

(59:08):
so we can play you a couple of songs from
her new album. Here for It All is the name
of that album. Before eleven o'clock, though we are in
the garden. Well not quite, because our man who should
be in the garden is actually in the studio this morning.
He'll be with us very shortly. Next up, though, our
texpert with all the details on the impending US government
deal with TikTok. Right now, it's twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Hard Talk Bold takes big stories. It's the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 21 (59:36):
I mean, apart from the Greens, it seems we're all
celebrating the Fonterra result that profit a bit over a
billion dollars sixteen billion in cash returns to the farms.
Peed McBride as the chairman of Fonterra and as well
as Wayne Lange for the Fed Farmer says this is
the new normal.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Is he bullish or right? Well?

Speaker 8 (59:50):
Both?

Speaker 9 (59:50):
Well, I guess he's not the most tag of farmers anyway.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I guess so.

Speaker 21 (59:53):
But I mean, it just keeps on keeping on at
ten plus, not only out of this last season, but
forecast for this next season.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
When does it end, and if it does end.

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
How well, we don't know when it ends. I guess
it's a function of global support and demand. We're doing
our best to maintain these sort of levels.

Speaker 21 (01:00:09):
Back Monday from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk Z'B.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Twenty five to eleven on News Talk Z'DB. I said,
our man in the garden is actually our man in
the studio. This morning, I can report that Roude climb
Pass has just turned up in the office with a
red back spider. I haven't gone through all of the
details and the NZ and ME health and safety policy,
but I feel like I feel like there's one that
might have slipped through the gaps. When the lawyers were

(01:00:36):
imagining all of the things that might happen in a
modern broadcasting office might happen in a modern radio studio,
they probably weren't picking that venomous spiders would be brought in.
But never mind. We needn't tell the world. Road's going
to be with us very shortly. Right now, though it
is twenty four minutes to eleven, our textbot Paul sten
houses here and Paul, we are learning more about how
the tick Top deal is going to look and just

(01:00:58):
how much money is going to be going back to
China once the US government signs this thing off.

Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 7 (01:01:03):
They are doing too bad, to be honest, Jack.

Speaker 18 (01:01:06):
The estimates are that about fifty percent of the profits
of this new entity will be making their way back
to China through various different means, which I guess isn't
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
It's not great if you have a Byte Danced.

Speaker 18 (01:01:20):
But at the same time, if your other option was
well not being able to operate in the United States, then.

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
I guess that's not terrible.

Speaker 18 (01:01:28):
Yeah, I think it's going to be like, you know,
into the single digit billions every year, going back to
Byite Dance. But it's interesting that this isn't just an
ownership play. And US Vice president Jadi Vance put a
price tag on the sale this week.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
He said it fourteen billion.

Speaker 18 (01:01:44):
Dollars, which was really low compared to the thirty five
to forty billion dollars at the end that the analysts
were expecting. And the reason for that is this kind
of bizarre setup I've got because not only will they
be owners, and they'll be less than twenty percent owners,
so it works within the law, but they're also going
to be getting a licensing fee for their algorithm, so

(01:02:04):
they'll get that just cash in hand effectively. And then
they're also going to be getting profit sharing, right, so
a unique arrangement, but they're kind of getting value I guess,
in three ways, which isn't too bad. And on the
U S side of this deal, some names you've probably
heard of, first of all, Oracle with Larry Allison he's

(01:02:26):
his company, Oracle is currently already hosting US the TikTok
Us data that are going to take on the algorithm
as well a couple of other names, Rupert Murdoch of
Fox News and News Corp.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Fame and Michael Dell of Dell Computers. So they're just
a couple. There's a big VC names and things in
there as well.

Speaker 18 (01:02:46):
But it's really kind of all of the all of
the big names wanting to get in on the US
TikTok deal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah right, no, Stenhouse just yet though, I take it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:57):
No, you know, they didn't almost look at almost so
do you reckon that other countries are going to like
take the US version of it then or they take
the current version, the Chinese version.

Speaker 18 (01:03:09):
Well, at the moment, there's only one version that they
can take, and the version that China will be giving.

Speaker 14 (01:03:16):
The rest of the world as well.

Speaker 18 (01:03:18):
But it's certainly a question that has been posed in Australia,
where one of the Senate is there suggested that if
the deal went ahead and there is a US version,
Australia probably should be on the US version, right because
if the US is wanting to do this, well, if
the US is trying to do this for national security reasons,
and you're an ally friend partner of the United States,

(01:03:40):
you probably want to go to the other one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
Yeah, but who's to say they'll let them? How would
that even work?

Speaker 18 (01:03:47):
It all starts getting into some kind of bizarre gray
areas there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yeah, right, Hey, ad free Facebook and Instagram is being
introduced in the UK.

Speaker 18 (01:03:56):
Yeah, I kind of would like that. I get a
lot of ads on my Instagram. I don't know about you,
but I feel like sometimes they double and triple them
up on me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
But would you pay for it, Paul? Would you pay?

Speaker 22 (01:04:07):
Well?

Speaker 18 (01:04:08):
Look, hey, Si, here's the thing, right, The saying always
is is that if you're not paying for it, you
are the product. And interestingly, you've now got a price.
So depending on the platform, it's going to be either
three pounds or four pounds a month to get an
ad free version of Facebook or Instagram.

Speaker 14 (01:04:26):
The UK has really been pushing to.

Speaker 18 (01:04:28):
Make sure that if you don't want to be the product,
there's a way out of it, and that you still
get access to these products because they're bit of a
utility these days, things like Facebook and Instagram. Right, So
if you don't like the terms and conditions. They're really
trying to give you another pathway. But here's the number, Jack,
It works out to be that you are worth to
META based on those UK numbers, sixty five US dollars

(01:04:51):
a year. That's about one hundred and ten New Zealand
dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
That's what you're worth to them.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
You feel good or bad?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Why that figures? I mean, it is amazing. Just that's you,
that's your data, as you say, but yeah, yeah, that's
probably about what I would have anticipated. The tricks, of course,
when you've got a big newsers worldwide, how you're able
to massively massively ramp up that revenue and profits. Thanks
so much, Paul. That's our Textbert Paul Standhouse. In a

(01:05:21):
couple of minutes, our personal finance expert is here. He's
comparing the state of the New Zealand property market with
a couple of big crashes throughout history, in fact, the
biggest crashes of all time. For anyone who's stressing out.
Don't worry, we don't quite compare just yet. Twenty one
to eleven on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks FB.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I think if you look at the numbers, the New
Zealand housing market is down about eighteen percent from its
absolute COVID peak. It's been a bit of an up
and down, hasn't It's been a bit of a roller coaster.
It might be bigger in some sense. It's bigger in Auckland,
bigger in Wellington. Eighteen percent across the board. Anyway, our
personal finance expert every night will have all of the numbers.
I'm sure at hand he is comparing New Zealand's property

(01:06:13):
market with the biggest property crashes in world history. This morning,
counter ed great to be here, Jack.

Speaker 12 (01:06:19):
We all know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
About the downturn. It's funny how these things sort of go,
isn't it. You know, just a couple of years ago
we were talking about the crazy surge in the property market.
But just how significant is this downturn?

Speaker 23 (01:06:30):
Well, in historical contexts, it's big for New Zealand. This
is in fact the largest modern property downturn we've had.
Property prices fell about eighteen percent across the whole country
more well into the twenty percents for Auckland and Wellington
got pretty close to thirty percent down in some areas.

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
But what I want it to do today was talk about, well,
how does.

Speaker 23 (01:06:50):
That compare to worldwide downturns. And what's interesting is I've
got three of the largest property price downturns I've been
able to find, and one of the largest ones in
modern history was actually over in Ireland and was relatively recent.
And what you tend to see with all of the
downturns I'll talk about today is the massive property price

(01:07:12):
crashes are preceded by massive property booms. And we know
all about that here at New's Heller it with our
COVID fueled boom before we saw the eventual drop off.
But over at Ireland it was even more extreme. Property
prices rose two hundred and seventy percent in just ten
years before the GFC came along, and then property prices

(01:07:36):
fell fifty six percent. Now that's like saying, imagine owning
a five hundred thousand dollars house and then all of
a sudden it's worth about two hundred and twenty K
and you have lost two hundred and eighty grand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, that is I mean, that is absolutely massive. And
I suppose you know there there are if you're thinking
about it, strictly in financial terms, there would have been
some big winners and some massive losers with that downturn,
But that's Ireland. Japan had one as well.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
Well.

Speaker 23 (01:08:05):
Japan even more insane. So between I'm going to teach
you a new word to that, Jack. So, between nineteen
sixty and nineteen ninety, property prices in Japan tried good
tupuls Now that's fancy word to say. They went up
thirty times wa time fire nineteen ninety compared to nineteen
ninety six.

Speaker 9 (01:08:24):
Here's an interesting fact for you.

Speaker 23 (01:08:25):
At the time, it was said that the land underneath
the Imperial Palace in Tokyo was worth more than all
of the real estate combined in the US state of California.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I mean, that's obviously absurd.

Speaker 9 (01:08:39):
Yeah, insane.

Speaker 23 (01:08:40):
And then property prices fell, depending on where you were
in Japan, sixty to eighty percent. But here is the
really interesting thing. Since property prices have fallen, they have
actually not yet recovered. So if you bought a property
in nineteen ninety one at the height of the Japanese market,
thirty three years later, it could still be twenty three

(01:09:01):
percent down on what you paid for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
That's interesting is that because Japan had a relatively stagnant
population because they haven't had the massive population growth the
lots of other countries have had.

Speaker 9 (01:09:13):
Yeah, that in the aging population.

Speaker 23 (01:09:14):
And then on top of that, you've also got a
really interesting factor in Japan where a lot of it
is highly urbanized. So if you look at an individual
city like Tokyo, property prices can still be really high
and in many cases will have recovered.

Speaker 9 (01:09:27):
But if we look at the overall.

Speaker 23 (01:09:29):
Situation in Japan, house prices are still down at that
national level. So sometimes, just like we have to in
New Zealand, you can split out the cities from the
country as a whole.

Speaker 9 (01:09:40):
And actually, in our case, the.

Speaker 23 (01:09:42):
Cities have performed worse compared to cheaper areas in the
country at large. But the largest property downtown is an
interesting one. And I had to go way back in
time to the thirteen hundreds, and it's the Black Death
because the plague. The plague killed about half of Europe's population.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
That'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
That'll do it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
You're laughing at that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Well, I'm not laughing at the plague, you know, but
I mean, yes, it's probably the least of your concerns,
isn't it. If your portfolio is taking a bit of
a blood and half the population has been wiped out.

Speaker 9 (01:10:15):
Oh yeah, well that'll do it, won't it.

Speaker 23 (01:10:16):
It did, and property prices fellon estimated seventy to eighty percent.
Now it's say estimated because back then they were more
interested in staying alive compared to keeping good property priced
data records for.

Speaker 9 (01:10:30):
Economus seven hundred years later.

Speaker 23 (01:10:32):
But those are the three largest property downturns I could find,
and if anything, hopefully that gives some comfort to New
Zealanders when they say, do you know what? Our downturn
was severe in terms of property price and property price
history we've had in New Zealand, But it's quite small
compared to some of the largest ones we've seen around
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Yeah right, okay here, So are there any lessons apart
from avoiding another black death that we can take from this?

Speaker 8 (01:10:58):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:10:58):
I think the big thing is that the signs that
a property market could get too bubbly is rapid price increases,
easy lending, and building booms. Those are the three big
things we saw in Ireland and they're probably the most
similar to us over here in New Zealand. Easy lending,
building booms and then rapid house price rises. We can

(01:11:18):
see a lot of that in New Zealand's experience. In
twenty twenty twenty twenty one, property prices were up in
some cases well over forty percent. We had a lot
of boo building, and that building takes a while for
the houses to actually come onto the market, So sometimes
developers will start knocking them up during rapid price rises,
and then once they finally built, the market's going the

(01:11:42):
other way and you've got the sextra supply coming on,
and then the lending tat getting turned off. And it's
really interesting that house prices in New Zealand started falling
the month that the Triple CFA, which was a tough
lending rule that got passed back in twenty twenty one.
It was the same month that law came in, the
lending tap got turned off, and our property price downturn started.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Hey, thanks so much, Ed, really appreciate it. As always
Ed McKnight check. It is, of course from Opie's Partners,
our personal finance expert with us this morning. Hey, after
eleven o'clock, Dan Brown's got a brand new book. It's
been a while actually since Dan Brown has released anything.
Look I'm not gonna say that Dan Brown divides people,
because Dan Brown. If there's anyone on this earth who

(01:12:23):
knows how to sell a book, it is Dan Brown.
So anyway, we're gonna tell you a little a little
bit about his brand new publication after eleven o'clock this morning.
Next up, the Rude climb passed our man with the
red back spider in the office with us this morning.
We'll explain why. I think it's one of those days.
As much as Rude likes to bring a wetter or

(01:12:44):
something like that and eat your holder, I reckon, I'm
going to politely decline holding the red back this morning.
But he's been in a few minutes. Right now, it's
ten to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Gardling with still shops battery system kits, get a second
battery half price.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Rude Climb past is not in the garden because he's
in our studio with us this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Good morning, it's so lovely to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Hey, you've brought a friend this morning.

Speaker 24 (01:13:05):
Well, I decided to do something different. I mean, you've
seen all these weather and things like that. I thought
I talked with the teachers about red back spiders and
where they came from, and how they got here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
So, just to be totally clear, over the last week
or so, you've been guiding teachers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Yeah, and a numbers of different ways.

Speaker 24 (01:13:19):
First of all, I had a whole week in in
what do you call it, Maude Island, which is on
the in the what do you call the marbles Marbles sounds,
you got it. Yeah, And we took kids there with
their with their teachers once a day and we did
all sorts of work on that island and found all
these amazing native stuff, hermit crabs and all that nonsense,
and it was great. Gave wet penguins you name it,

(01:13:41):
Hamilton's frog.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Penguin's there. Yeah, God, they're bringing.

Speaker 24 (01:13:44):
They're starting now. They're coming to the boxes, going you
can't even sleep with the noise.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
It sounds like things at my place.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Yeah, yeah, this is a bit like that. So that
was that. So that was actually a wonderful thing. That's
what Doc does. They give us.

Speaker 24 (01:13:58):
You know, basically with the boat, you go there for
a whole week and you muck around with these kits
one after the other, and they all come back with
the idea that they know what to do. Can we
have penguins at our school? Can we do this?

Speaker 8 (01:14:10):
Can?

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
And that's how you education study? Now that works.

Speaker 24 (01:14:14):
So that was that week. Now I've just finished a
week with fil not field based then, but Blake inspired
Sir Peter Blake.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Trust you know Sir Peter Blake.

Speaker 24 (01:14:22):
The day before he died, he gave the most amazing
I should send it to you. He wrote in his
diary about you know what we need to do, and
he got shot the next day. And we've decided to
do this this no not feel bad Blake inspired thing
every school holidays. So we got thirty teachers coming to
us in hotel. They've got a wonderful hotel there. They

(01:14:46):
don't realize that they only get six hours sleep a day.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
But that's that's all right. Go to Tafer and New
We go to all sorts of places and we find
ken we sleeping at night?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Can you imagine that they got should shouldn't? Can we
be awake at night?

Speaker 7 (01:15:02):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
But this is during the day.

Speaker 25 (01:15:03):
Okay, we went during today, So that's yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
This is exactly what it's about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
I thought there was a trick question there for a
moment road, but I.

Speaker 24 (01:15:14):
Used to Actually I studied Kiwis in the ninety eighty.
That's a long time ago, but I'm not going to
go there. So basically, what we're trying to do there
is to create nature literate teachers who understand the operations
manual of the planet. I've used those words quite a
long time, but it's really what this is about. And
they now are taking that knowledge back to this school

(01:15:36):
and starting all sorts of projects, and that is what
this is about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
It's just wonder that must be so nice it is
to be teaching the teachers like that and knowing that,
you know, by teaching thirty people, you're actually potentially teaching
you know, three thousand people. You know that that is
pretty amazing. Tell us about the read back then.

Speaker 24 (01:15:54):
Well, the red bag basically you got a name. Well no,
I just called it the red back. I got it
only about a year ago when it finally came out
of the egg. This is a creature that came from
Central Otago, where quite often find them there. We now know,
or think we know that the way they got into
New Zealand is probably with the Chinese people that did

(01:16:15):
the work on the mines in Cinelotage.

Speaker 25 (01:16:18):
Yeah, they came from Australia. Yeah, okay, and with their
gear in the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, they took they were
quite sure we took. They took those things with them
by accident. And of course these guys are very closely
related if you look at them, very closely.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Related to our cutty postpiler as well.

Speaker 24 (01:16:36):
Right, and it's interesting to actually see how they differ.
And they don't differ that much at all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
So would kill you? Uh no, he says, with an
upward infliction. The ins in me, lawyer, sweet and cold bullets.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Oh you know what you I've taken stuff and here that.

Speaker 24 (01:16:56):
Yeah, I've been bitten three times by a wet back,
but that was all that was by accident kind of
because I usually put them on my hand and show
people you don't be worried.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Do you bite the ground here?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Walk off?

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
No, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
No. So yeah, but I mean actually do this. No,
I think we'll I think we're leave that three so
three times. Yeah, you're a quick learner, root.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
No, not the first flight on the tour it yeah,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
It's amazing, thank you, It is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
It is gorgeous, and well, well we'll work with it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah, I'm glad you've had such a good week rude
climb past, educating the educators and if you radio hosts
along the way I used talk to, it'd be it's
almost eleven o'clock. It's Saturday morning.

Speaker 13 (01:17:36):
I'm Jack Damed.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
We're back in a few.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Minutes Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going
through the weekend us talks.

Speaker 14 (01:17:51):
It be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
More er if you're just joining us today. It is
so good to have you with us this morning. I'm
Jack Tame with you through a day on news talks.
He'd be bit of a funny one, a bit of
a funny Saturday for All Backs fans. We're counting down
the ours to what could be the most intriguing Bleederslow
Clash and quite some time. And I think the All

(01:18:35):
Backs should be comfortable favorites on Eden Park. But nevertheless,
this Rugby Championship has felt like a tournament in which
any team could beat any team on their day, if
you know what I mean. So the conditions this evening
are potentially going to be changeable. As you just heard
in the news. Could be a little bit damp in Auckland,
although for the time being at least the sun is shining,
but you got the five pm kickoff factor as well,

(01:18:58):
and then on top of it, Scott Barrett out for
this week injured Arlisavia captain. As the All Backs look
up to look to back up their worst defeat in
the team's history with a dominant performance. I reckon that
Artie factor is a big one to watch this evening. Anyway,
we're going to be counting down to the match this afternoon.
Weekend Sport is coming live this afternoon from the Kingslander

(01:19:20):
in Kingsland, just across the road from Eden Park, so
the atmosphere will be building nice and early there. But
looking forward to catching up with Weekend Sport host Jason Pine.
I might ask him about the Ardie Savia fact of
this evening as well. So he's going to be with
us very soon. Right now though it is eight minutes
past eleven on Newstalk ZB Jack Dougal Sutherland is a

(01:19:42):
clinical psychologist from Umbrella Well Being. He's with us this morning,
Killer Dougal.

Speaker 7 (01:19:47):
Cider Jack, I think you almost called me an umbrella
then I know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Well I did. I had a new sting. I had
a new Jack Tame Jack, Dame Jack, Tame Jack, tame thing,
and it put me off a little bit to be Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:19:56):
Yes, but just to you know, rest your worries. I'm
not an umbrella.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
I am still okay, that's good. Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:20:04):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
In fact, if I was considering you umbrella, then I
probably need to see more than the clinical.

Speaker 22 (01:20:11):
There's an interesting psychological condition where people there's a classic
name for that, or a great name for that from
an Oliver Sax.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
The man who thought his wife was a hat or.

Speaker 7 (01:20:21):
Something, isn't it that's the one.

Speaker 8 (01:20:22):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 22 (01:20:22):
Yeah, he couldn't recognize people, So you could, you know,
conceivably you could recognize me as an umbrella.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
It would be odd anyway. Hey, you're thinking, you're you're
thinking about crime and punishment this morning, or punishment in crime,
and we're a punishment fit the crime.

Speaker 22 (01:20:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. New research from the US which which
I found quite intriguing. Really, it's called it's a it's
a new passway for for looking at sentences for crimes,
at least for minor crimes called creative punishments, and it
tries to get that balance right between teaching people a
lesson with the idea that they won't do it again

(01:20:59):
and not being so kind of overly harsh, that it
seems punitive and its punishment. Yeah, and it was most
popular in a US judge. I think, who does quite
a lot of these who a guy took a taxi
rider and failed to pay his fear, and so they
took him to court and they made him pay us fair.
But then the judge also sentenced him to walk the

(01:21:20):
same distance as the taxi ride, just to just to
emphasize what a pain it was for the poor taxi driver.
So it's kind of it's really trying to fit that
punishment creatively to the crime to help people learn, learn
and hopefully not to do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
It's a really American thing, a judges coming up with
super creative things. I feel like, like Judge Judy or
something like that would be doing. I know that she
does the kind of civil things, but you know what
I mean, like it's a real you know, you always
read the stories about a Texas judge who's you know,
said that someone has to wear a sign around their
neck and stand on a busy intersection or something like that.

(01:21:58):
You know, all those crazy kind of crimes.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
It's another I mean, I think you're right. It is
a bit of a US thing, but I think we
could learn from it. I mean, there's there's another couple
of examples that I like. One a woman who.

Speaker 22 (01:22:10):
Threw a food at a fast food outlet employee, and
you know you often see those sort of little clips
somebody chucks all the food back through the through the
drive through window. Well, she was sentenced to having to
work sixty days in the fast food restaurant for no pay,
just to experience it out of herself. Or an easy one.
Somebody group vandalizing a public statue had to then clean

(01:22:32):
the statue, which which you know, there's a there's a
real kind of natural consequence. Even in workplaces, they've used it.
Somebody who abused not not physically but verbally sort of
abused one of their workmates. Rather than sort of getting
some sort of final warning or getting dismissed, they had
to go and work in a part of the part
of the business which was involved in customer services where

(01:22:54):
they have to receive a lot of complaints and verbal
abuse from the public. So there's this I kind of
like that matching of it, that sense that actually this
is proportionate to the crime and might help you learn
from it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
What are the kind of key features of what could
be deemed a creative punishment. Then, yeah, so that.

Speaker 22 (01:23:12):
There are three kind of key features verstically that the
punishment has to be related to the harm caused, and
that's different. You know, when we send people to prison,
by and large, they're not going to prison because they
have imprisoned somebody themselves largely, so that so prison or whatever,
even a fine is usually completely unrelated. But these are
specifically or these are related to the crime. So you know,

(01:23:35):
an easy example, you've graffited a statue, so you clean
the statue and it is specifically matched to the crime.
So it's not like, you know, okay, for this sort
of crime, you either get three months in prison or
a ten thousand dollars fine, which is just a blanket.

Speaker 20 (01:23:49):
One.

Speaker 22 (01:23:49):
These are specifically matched, and it does have the goal
about helping people understand the errors of their ways, so
to speak, with the idea that they won't do it again,
which is ultimately, I guess, or part of at least
why we have punishment. It's not the whole reason, but
part of why we have a punished so we don't
want people to do the same thing again. So it's
those three criteria related to the harm, specifically matched and

(01:24:13):
understanding why the behavior was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Yeah, and you can see how so to take that
fast food to put the woman who threw food back
through the window and the fast food outlet and there
was sentenced to work there for sixty days. I mean, yep,
it's matched to the crime. So it's a fast food
and fast food and the punishment involved doing something related
to the harm caused, yep. And then that final one,
it actually would helped her to understand have a bit

(01:24:36):
more empathy for someone earning nine dollars fifteen hour working
at a fast food restaurant, like, how can we make
your day worse while we can someone's going to throw
a burger back in your face?

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's that. I mean,
that's the idea.

Speaker 22 (01:24:48):
And you know, we can only hope that it works
to change people's minds. We still, yeah, for sure, but
that's that's the goal, which which I can't something about.
It really appealed to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Me, No, I think it appeals to me as well.
I think it appeals toward us. And so you can
imagine though that there are certain you know, scenarios in
which appropriate right, So for really serious criminal offens. Offending,
obviously it's going to be appropriate. But no, no, no,
what about a parenting Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:25:14):
Yeah, I thought of that that I was reading it.

Speaker 22 (01:25:17):
I thought, you know, what a lot of parents will
have and I've done as in my career, I've done
a few of the old parenting programs and working with
parents and and often when if you can come up,
I think in parenting we often call it kind of
natural consequences or logical consequences. So if you are playing
with a toy, you know, a child's playing with a
toy that belongs to their brother or sister and they

(01:25:38):
break it, well they have to then obviously apologize, but
then they have to actually replace the toy, perhaps out
of their own money, and that there's a real logical
sense of hey, this is a cost to the You
know there's a financial cost obviously, but this is a
cost and it is annoying for you and you have
to go out of your way.

Speaker 7 (01:25:55):
And hopefully you learn actually just just to be.

Speaker 22 (01:25:58):
A little bit more careful next time, because you know
you've learned the real world consequences I guess of your action.
And I'm sure many parents will have used those sorts
of text neiqus as well, and it's just perhaps extending
that up into adulthood.

Speaker 8 (01:26:14):
A little bit too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Oh, it's so good. Hey, thank you for bringing our
attention to the research. It really is interesting. Thanks, dous.
Remind me of those good old TV shows though, you know,
the judge duties and things you know like this. Sometimes
you know, America just does it best and when it
comes to creative punishments, I reckon that's the place to be. Thanks. Doogle,
Google Umbre. Google Southern is not an umbrella. Doogle Sothern's

(01:26:35):
a clinical psychologist. He is from Umbrella Wellbeing. Now before
midday on News Talks B, we've got brand new music
from Mariah Carey. She's got a new album called Here
for It All. So we are going to choose a
couple of the catchier songs from that album and play
that for you in a couple of minutes. Plus, Dan
Brown has a brand new book published, so our book
reviewer has read it and will give us all her

(01:26:56):
thoughts on that very shortly, Just so you know. At
the United Nations Foreign Minister Winston Peters is currently speaking.
We are expecting him to clarify new Zealand's position on
Palestinian statehood. So we will bring your details on that
just as as soon as the Foreign Minister has shared them.
Sixteen past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours Where the world is yours
for now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Mike Gyuardly is our travel correspondent. This morning, he's focusing
on travel scams and swindles, because as much as you
might be enjoying traveling the world, nothing will take the
fun out of your holiday like getting ripped off by
a scammer. Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:27:35):
Good morning Jack. Yes, that's exactly that in terms of like,
you know, you've saved up for a hard earned holiday
and you don't want to have that shine taken off
the experience. So yeah, you do not want to lead
your guard down. There are a lot of bad bikers
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
My brother has just been going on holiday in Europe,
nice for some and he had flown out and was
on the plane and then texted us. Upon arrival, he
got a call from his bank saying we've had some
weird transactions and he was like, what do you mean
some weird transactions and they said, well, you know, we've
had some transactions and you know, in Nigeria and somewhere

(01:28:11):
else on your credit card, and we're a bit surprised.
And he said, oh, that's that's strange. And they said, look,
can you just get out your credit card and make
sure and he went. He looked in his bag and
his credit card had been gone pinched out of his
backpack and the overhead locker. So there you go, man,
there you go. Gott to be very careful. And I
mean that's just the old school, right, like pinching your cards,
the old school, you know, not particularly technical. But this

(01:28:32):
is the digital age and I would have thought that,
you know, stuff like fake booking sites AI scams are
increasingly catching travelers, are they.

Speaker 7 (01:28:41):
Yes, well, I was thinking of you, Jack in terms
of you know, fake product endorsements exporting the likes of you,
same sort of concept, where through the power of AI,
so many booking sites are being created that are essentially
cloning legitimate websites. They look almost identical. And this could

(01:29:04):
be like flight activities, accommodation platforms. So you really do
need to be extra careful that you are dealing with
a reputable company and the real deal. One of the
big giveaways is a web page that is designed to
take payments should always start with HTTPS if it says http,

(01:29:32):
red flag burg red flag.

Speaker 8 (01:29:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, that's a very good point. What about public Wi
Fi networks?

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
Interesting, isn't it? Because I have repeatedly over the years
used airport public Wi Fi, hotel Wi Fi, cafe Wi Fi,
and you are putting yourself at greater risk of being
snared by an opportunist scammer. Particularly they'll be after intercepting

(01:30:00):
your data, stealing passwords, accounts, numbers, and stalling malware. A
lot of people, of course will use a vp N
for protection because that encrypts your connection. But if you
are using public Wi Fi, I would strongly suggest you
restrict your usage to surfing the net, do not use

(01:30:22):
any sensitive apps. Definitely nothing in the way of online
banking when using public Wi Fi.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
That's my rule. I just don't any big transaction or stuff.
I don't do it on public Wi Fi just and
sometimes even if I'm traveling in New Zealand, I make
an effort to you know, if I'm using public Wi
Fi and I'm you know, somewhere else, I will will
choose to go off the Wi Fi and then set
up a little thing on my phone instead, you know,
like it's just worth it. I reckon. So is obviously

(01:30:53):
a universal nuisance and tourist destinations and my brother's mind,
what particular tactic is trending at the moment.

Speaker 7 (01:31:02):
Interestingly, I came across this earlier this year at Munich Airport,
a parent only. The most popular pickpocket technique in Europe
at the moment is called the sandwich. So picture that
you're standing on an escalator, for example, at the airport,
and you've got people in front of you blocking the
way past. Unbeknown to you, the couple standing in front

(01:31:26):
of you are actually acting as stallers, so there'll be
a rogue behind you picking through your backpack. So that
is the sandwich technique. Apparently that is just rife in airport,
shopping malls, train stations, you name it, all across Europe.
It's the number one pickpocketing tactic. But as a general rule,

(01:31:48):
as we've talked about before and areas that have got
a notorious reputation for pickpockets, definitely turn your backpack into
a front pack or have some sort of like crossbody
bag if you are taking valuables out with you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
What's the go with tap and go street fraud.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
This is fast scinating and I have actually been given
a bit of a reinforcement about this in Nepal and
India in the last week or so. It is huge
in that part of the world. So what is going
on is that a whole lot of opportunists have got
these portable card reader machines and in busy, congested tourist areas,

(01:32:29):
they just nudge into tourists that look like they've got
a wallet in your pocket and that can be enough
to activate the tap and go the payWave being recorded
by their card reader machine as a transaction.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
It's that easy.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
So turn off the tap or payWave function on your
phone if you can. Otherwise, I noticed what is becoming
increasingly on sale, particularly at airports and so forth, are
like shield covers for your credit It can't so the
carb reder machines can't penetrate those two to do a

(01:33:11):
dodgy transaction.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Hey, Mike, just stay there for a moment. We have
a bit of breaking news. Twenty five past eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
This is news talk said the breaking news right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Foreign Minister Winston Peters is speaking at the United Nations
General Assembly in New York, New Zealand is not recognizing
the state of Palestine at this stage. He says it's
a case of when, not if, the New Zealand will
recognize Palestinian statehood. But it is presentation at the UN
General Assembly, he's medically New Zealand is not recognizing the

(01:33:46):
state of Palestine at this stage. It means that New
Zealand's decision is at odds with about one hundred and
fifty other countries around the world, including Australia, who announced
formal recognition earlier this week at the UN General Assembly.
But Foreign Minister Winston Peters in his presentation says New
Zealand is not recognizing the state of Palestine at this stage.
We'll have more details for that about that in the

(01:34:07):
news very shortly. Right it is twenty six minutes past eleven.
Mike Cordley, a travel correspond is still whether. Sorry to
interrupt you there, Mike. I just we always making to
bring you around the breaking news as soon as as
soon as it happens, and I know a lot of
people had been waiting to see what Winston Peters would
say part of his presentation here this morning.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
Yes, very Winston decision, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Well, I mean it's interesting. Yes, I'm sure people will
have their own thoughts on it. It's obviously a contentious subject,
but yeah, you know, it's a decision that was I
think made by cabinet earlier. But I expect that within
cabinet there would be a variety of different opinions on
whether or not New Zealand should be recognizing Palestinian state.
But very important to point out, he says, when not if,

(01:34:49):
but at this stage New Zealand is not recognizing the state. Hey,
so we were talking about the different scams and swindles
that can affect travelers, and you were talking about the
tap and go with a kind of streetforward people brushing
up against you. What about QR code scam they're increasing
as well.

Speaker 7 (01:35:09):
Yeah, I know it's quite insidious, isn't it. So just
a gentle reminder when you're ordering food in a restaurant,
for example, it will actually pay to check the QR
code carefully. Particularly in Asia, apparently this is trending whereby
some schemers are placing their own QR code stickers over
the top of the existing codes. So check the URL

(01:35:31):
that you've just taken a snap of, because they're using
that as a way to try and get your credit
card details. What just amazing A.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
Yeah, I mean yeah here, amazing, but pretty frustrating if
you're the one who's caught up in it. What about
eVisa swindles?

Speaker 7 (01:35:48):
Yeah, just finally, this is not a new one, but
I think most New Zealanders will be aware that. For example,
when you're applying for an esther to go to the
US under the visa waiver program, if you look at
the Internet, you'll notice there are hundreds of profiteering esther websites,

(01:36:09):
and a lot of people aren't aware until it's too
late that they've actually not used the official US government
site but a lookalike website that actually just adds on
a service fee which you don't actually have to pay.
I know the same things happened with the New Zealand
ETA scheme as well. But interestingly, Jack, when I applied

(01:36:31):
for my India eVisa a few weeks ago, I found
the Government of India website so bloody hopeless that I
did actually end up using one of the more commercial sites.
I was prepared to pay twenty bucks just for a
more efficient application experience.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
So there's sort of swings a roundabouts with it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
The thing that always surprises me is that, even with
the US one, I'm always surprised at how kind of
budget the official US government website looks. I was like,
is this it like, this looks like something I could
have built.

Speaker 7 (01:37:05):
You know, it needs a bit of Marra lago blinging you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Yeah, well, it just needs it just needs a bit
of a that's not just a look of pain. It
just looks, you know, a bit old and scuzzy. But anyway, Finally,
another little moneysucker to avoid is selecting a credit card
charge in New Zealand currency when overseas.

Speaker 7 (01:37:23):
Yes, indeed, I get so frustrated by this because ritually
everyone does it, you know, like really big Judy Free stores,
five star hotels. When you're checking out and you're fixing
up your bell or you've just bought your Juty Free alcohol,
they'll say, do you want to pay a New Zealand
currency or you know, the local currency wherever you are

(01:37:43):
in the world. Do not select the New Zealand currency
because it is such a ruse just to skim a
bit of extra profit off you. It's always dearer overseas
to pay a New Zealand currency.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Yeah, hey, great, advice. We really appreciate it. Thank you
so much. Mike. That is Mike Guard, the Travel correspond
I've got a bit more detail for you from Winston
Peter's address in the United Nations. So he sees New
Zealand is quote not ready to recognize a Palestinian state.
He says, quote there are no fully legitimate and viable
state of Palestine to recognize. Palestine does not fully meet
the accepted criteria for a state as it does not

(01:38:17):
fully control its own territory or population. And he says
there is also no obvious link between more of the
international community recognizing the state of Palestine and the aimed
objective of protecting the two state solution. Like I say,
more detail for you in the news very shortly on
News TALKSB. Right now, it's eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
Thirty getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks AB.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
News Talks. It'd be twenty seven minutes to twelve. It
is a big afternoon on Weekend Sport. They are already
gearing up for the All Blacks Wallabies tests at Eaton
Park this evening. Jason Pine as the host of Weekend Sport.
He's at The Kingslander. Tough life you live paining, I know,
tough it is, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (01:39:24):
Just?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Isn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:39:25):
Just my My New Zealand tour of pubs continues and
The King's Lander for the second time actually this year,
have welcomed Dussin and g I mean, what an afternoon ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
And I was thinking, Jack, it's actually quite good.

Speaker 17 (01:39:39):
We only have to wait till five o'clock for kickoff
to we don't have to get through seven hours, only
five hours.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Because I don't know about you, mate, but I'm.

Speaker 17 (01:39:47):
Really looking forward to seeing what happens in this game,
and in particular looking forward to an all Blacks response
after what happened two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
I totally. I mean, we are expecting a response. It'll
be intriguing though, because you look at those lineups, I mean,
James O'Connor getting the getting the last minute call up
to fly across the world, Artie of course captaining, and
Scott Barrett's injury absence. I mean that in itself I
think is going to be very very interesting. It will be.

Speaker 17 (01:40:15):
Yeah, And look, I think most people, if you ask them,
would say, well, Ardie Savia is a very very strong
candidate to be the permanent captain of the All Blacks.
And look, there's no conspiracy theory here. Scott Barrett has
you know, has hurt his shoulder and isn't available and
is keen to get back next week. But look, I
don't think you lose anything in the leadership star you
know stake there. Yeah, And as far as the second

(01:40:37):
Robb is concerned, look, Fabian Holland.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Had a very very good start to his test career.

Speaker 17 (01:40:41):
To provite you back into the second row, Holland invite you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
That's not a bad locking combination.

Speaker 14 (01:40:46):
Jack.

Speaker 17 (01:40:46):
So while Scott Barrett of course will be missed because
of his experience and his leadership within the team, you know,
I think they'll probably be okay with him watching his
two brothers out there instead of being out there himself.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Yeah, yeah, very much so. So Yeah, kick off five
pm this evening and then it's a bit of a
late night the Black Ferns France just after midnight.

Speaker 17 (01:41:06):
Indeed, yes, third and fourth place not really the game
we were wanting them to be in. But we are
where were are where we are, and I think it's
probably for the Black Ferns a chance to farewell you know,
some of their long standing iconic players, and you land
on Porsche, Woodman Wickliffe when you start talking about icons
of the women's game. So look, even though they're disappointed

(01:41:27):
they're not going to be in the big dance, the
main game Canada and England a bit later on tomorrow morning,
they'll be very keen to go out on a high
and as I say, send some of their departing players
out with a really, really top performance.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
You've got a couple of Joneses for us this afternoon, Yeah,
Nick Pharr.

Speaker 17 (01:41:43):
Jones leads us off after midday, Wallaby's World Cup winning
captain in nineteen ninety one and very various stute observer
of the game. He's with us after midday, and then
after one, Ian Jones, one of our great lockforwards, is
going to pop in for a chat. We've also taken
over from three to five as well.

Speaker 14 (01:42:03):
Jack.

Speaker 17 (01:42:04):
You know we've decided no weekend collective today. We'll just
so Mills Molloyer, you know after three. Ryan Fox gonna
pop in after two to talk about a golf and
also maybe you know what he remembers of his dad
playing for the All Blacks. Dame Lisa Carrington also on
the show this afternoon. So glittering array of guests between
now well midday when we take over goodness and when

(01:42:24):
we kick off at just after five o'clock, and then
we'll hang around for an hour afterwards and take some
calls as well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
You're a good man, Thanks Fini. Looking forward to a
massive afternoon. Jason Pine and the team live at the
Kingslander across the road from Eden Park as they count
down to the allbacks Wallies. Don't forget a course that
we're going to have live coverage of the game this
evening as well. Elliott Smith, Jason and the team. We'll
have the call kick off just after five pm this
evening on News Talk Z'B. Right now it is twenty

(01:42:49):
three to twelve Jack, if you're just joining us. In
the last few minutes, Winston Peters has clarified New Zealand's
position on Palestinian statehood at the United Nations. He says
New Zealand is not yet ready to recognize the Palestinian state.
These are the comments he made at the UN.

Speaker 27 (01:43:04):
Because they do recognition is an instrument for peace. As
an instant for piece also does not play because there
are no fully legitimate and viable state of Palestine to recognize.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
That's Winston Peters speaking at the UN General Assembly. We'll
have more of his comments and reaction to New Zealand's
decision in the news very shortly. Right now it is
twenty three to twelve before midday, we got brand new
music from Mariah Carey. She's just released a new album.
Here for it All. And next up your book picks
for this weekend, including the very latest from Dan Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Twenty to twelve. Time to get your book picks for
this weekend. Katherine Rains is our book reviewer on Saturday
mornings on Newstalks EDB. She's here with her reads for
this weekend. Hey Catherine, Morning Jack. Okay, let's begin with
Habits of High Performers by James Laughlin.

Speaker 26 (01:44:01):
So, before James became a coach high performance, he would
have described himself, I guess, as being part of that
hustle grind culture that a lot of it exists, and
you know, and as he explains that it typically comes
at the expense of your own health and your relationships

(01:44:21):
with your family that when it all costs mentality, you know,
work hard, play hard, and really probably what it's led
to is high rates of anxiety and burnout amongst high
performers both and lots of people on and off the
sporting field as well. And he's worked with all blacks
and PGA tall winners, prime ministers and chief executives of
global corporations. He's had a lot of time to sit
down and talk to people, and he doesn't believe in

(01:44:43):
that concept of work life balance either. What he talks
about is counterbalancing, and what he means is is it's
the kind of noticing when we've become completely focused on
one sphere of our lives, and often it's work at
the expense of everything else like family, friends, sleep, health,
having time off. And it sounds quite simplistic, but you know,
he talks about his body having this role in your

(01:45:04):
ability to perform at your bea in particular hormones like
cortisol and dopamin and dolphins, and that influences how we
handle stress and how we stay focused and motivated, and
it's balancing those things through sleep and nutrition and recovery
and so kind of turning your body into an asset,
not kind of limiting you all the time. And he
you know, if you break it down in the most
simplistic form, he's really talking about exercise, diet, and sleep

(01:45:27):
and those are the kind of non negotiable things that
you have. You know, Exercise gets your body ready for
what is to come, and nutrition fill fuels that performance,
and sleep allows you to do that sustainably over a
long time. And you know, as he explains that high
performance see the world differently and they understand that success
comes from that depth and focus. And he has was

(01:45:47):
that he discussed, like vision and self discipline and belief,
and it all offers very different perspectives and some practical
ideas and strategies and really shifting your mindset and most
importantly being able to sustain that. And yet it's just
a really different kind of an interesting look at how
you can perform differently, and I think not just for
high performers, but you know, how you can think about
those things in your own life.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Nice, Okay? That Habits of High Performance by James Lughman.
You've read Dan Brown's new books tell Us About Secrets
of Secrets, So this.

Speaker 26 (01:46:16):
Is his first novel for eight years and he brings
back Robert Langdon, who's a Harvard symbiologist, and this time
he's against a conspiracy which tests his considerable brain power
and new scientific territories and lots of historical intrigue and
expiration of research and philosophical death the depth sorry that

(01:46:37):
Dan Brown brings into his novels, and this time the
mystery isn't hidden inside a vault, and it's not within
the Vatican. It's actually in a research center in Prague,
which is kind of known of this mystical capital of Europe.
It's architets, architecture, the mythology factor, and it all kind
of weaves into the story, and so you get lots
of cathedrals and monasteries and secrets and kind of perfect

(01:46:58):
backdrop almost. And in this Robert Langdon has met this woman,
Catherine Solomon, and they're deeply in love and she's a
noetic scientist and what that means is she studies human consciousness,
so things like esp and precognition and near death experiences.
And they're in Prague for the speaking of engagement and
she's made this breakthrough that kind of promises him to

(01:47:19):
change the world. And then she disappears and no clue
where she is. And Langdon of course is racing against
time and dangerous and powerful people and people lurking in
the dark streets in the city trying to find Catherine.
So you get these fast paced scenes and an intriguing storyline,
lots of course unexpected twists and plot and the characters.
There's murder and mayhem with a few spies and diplomats

(01:47:40):
and unethical people thrown in there. And yeah, it's a
typical Dan Brown roller coaster ride.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Yeah nice, Okay, this sounds great. So that is Secrets
of Secrets by Dan Brown, Catherine's first book, Habits of
High Performers by James Laughlin. In a couple of minutes,
Mariah Carey's got a brand new album. We've chosen a
couple of songs to play. Your music reviewer will give
us his thoughts on the album. Shortly quarter to twelve
on news doorgs he'd.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
Be you the inside scoop on the All You Need
to Know Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

Speaker 8 (01:48:12):
It mean.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Danger that's Mariah carry her new album is here for

(01:48:42):
it All that's called Type Dangerous. Christ Shaltz has been
listening and he's with us this morning. Got a good morning, sir, Jack.

Speaker 18 (01:48:50):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
I'm very well, thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:48:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
But new Mariah, first new Mariah in a while.

Speaker 14 (01:48:55):
It's yeah. The biggest thing she did most recently was
a memoir actually in twenty twenty. Yeah, right, came out
and started COVID kind of a towel all. So this
is her first big album. Very brave move to release
an album right now. We're six days away from the
biggest album of the year coming out, that is, of course,
Taylor Swift's The Life of a Show.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:49:15):
Yeah, I am locked into the listening party with my
eleven year old daughter. We have a route to pick
up her friends. We're doing this. So you're either very brave,
very silly, or you just don't care at this point
if you're releasing an album now. And Mariah Carey doesn't
have to care. She has spent nearly two years at
the top of the charts, ninety weeks. I believe she's
been at number one, nineteen number one songs. This is

(01:49:37):
her sixteenth album. She doesn't have to switch things up
at this We need to prove so this is very
much in her wheelhouse. This is schmoltzy R and B.
It's soul, it's got a little bit of funk. There's
a couple of party songs in there that sort of
nod to her roots. They're the ones my years went to.

(01:49:58):
Like the song you just played, type dangerous. I prefer
it when she's dabbling in hip hop. That's how she
first started. Her big first song was Fantasy. It had
od B from the Wu Tang clan, and she did
a lot of that early in her career. So that
single is based on a sample from Eric B and Raquem,
the eighties hip hop greats, and that's that's kind of

(01:50:20):
about all she does. So that's why I sent you
that song to play. The rest of it's it's just
kind of a mixed bag. There's love songs, there's R
and B ballads. She's the surprising thing is is just
how muted it all?

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Yeah, right, so we don't get there.

Speaker 4 (01:50:40):
None of that.

Speaker 14 (01:50:41):
No, it's very hush hush, a lot of whispered kind
of vocals. Yeah, but I mean, look, she's fifty four.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Yeah, she's gone under proof.

Speaker 14 (01:50:49):
She made All I Want for Christmas is you. Her
house is stocked with personal chefs and butlers for the
rest of her days.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Yeh, Yeah, she's doing okay, she's doing five Cost of
Living Crisis is and punching at Mariah's place too much.

Speaker 14 (01:51:02):
The one black mark I would give her is that
she's about to tour Australia. She's doing the Friday's Live festival.
She's not coming here. Yeah, one of the many artists
who isn't visiting us this year. So I definitely give
her a black mark. Friday's Live as a festival like
a throwback hrpop, bar and B festival that has always
come here. This is the first year it's Australian only,
and she does actually owe us a show she canceled

(01:51:22):
at twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
True, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, so she does. Yeah,
So she's doing for Australian shows. Okay, that is it.
That is a bit of a shame, all right. So
it sounds sort of okay. But she's not taking risks.

Speaker 14 (01:51:38):
No, she's very much at the legacy stage of her career.
If it came on at a mall, I think you'd
probably just be like, this is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
If it's right, and there's a line. If it came
on in a mall, it's just fine.

Speaker 14 (01:51:51):
Yeah, yeah, she doesn't need to do anything else. I
don't hate it for that though, Like I'm not like
mad at her. But there's a world where she could
do like the Madonna or the Sheer Thing, where she
releases these kind of like eurotrash bangers versions of songs
that sort of play Night Beth and get beloved by
a new generation. But she doesn't seem like someone wants.

Speaker 8 (01:52:12):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Okay, all right, so what did you give here for
it all? It's two and a half Okay, that's all,
no more, no, okay.

Speaker 14 (01:52:18):
If you like Mariah Carey, you'll love her. If you don't,
it's not gonna win ane.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Okay, I like that. Thank you a nice honest review
for Chris this morning. You can, of course, find all
of Christian's work on a substack. Just look up boiler
Room on subsec and you'll be able to find that.
We'll play you one of the songs that Chris Wiggins
is all right in a couple of minutes. Maybe the
two and the two and a half stars from Mariah
Carey's new album will pick that out and play it
in a few minutes time. Right now, it's nine to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:52:47):
Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Team News Talk said.

Speaker 15 (01:52:53):
Be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
Right, oh, we are about to hand over the reins
to the Weekend Sport team, who are usually doing three
hours on a Saturday afternoon, but thought, you know what,
this is such a big afternoon of sport. We're going
to do all five before the All Backs kick off.
Of course, All Blacks Wallabies Eden Park five oh five
is the kickoff this evening. We're gonna have live coverage
Elliott Smith, Jason Pine, the commentary team on Newstalk's EDB

(01:53:16):
this evening. This afternoon, Nick Farr Jones and Ian Jones
on Weekend Sport, both with their takes on what could
be the most intriguing Lederslow clash in some time. I
feel confident the All Backs are going to hold on.
I feel especially confident they are going to turn around
their performance off the back of that South African effort

(01:53:37):
a couple of weeks ago. But it's going to be
very very intriguing to see how things go down this evening,
especially with James O'Connor coming back as well. So so
many different kind of little storylines and threads to watch
this evening. Thank you so much for your company this
morning on news talks. He'd be for Olivia. Texts and emails.
You can find everything from our show at newstalk SEDB

(01:53:57):
dot co dot nz. Thanks to Kenzie and Libby for
doing the tough stuff. We'll be thinking of the Black
fans this evening as well, hoping they can put the
disappointment of making the final behind them with a dominant
performance against France and the Rugby World and the Rugby
World Cup. We're gonna leave you with Mariah Carey. Her
new album is here for it all. We're back nixt
wigains have a good one.

Speaker 20 (01:54:20):
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and some landings.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Fans pan of it up, pens.

Speaker 20 (01:54:31):
The stir and he must made for them signing autographs and.

Speaker 12 (01:54:33):
So hit the little doers in the pant of my
nose and then came into hated assos.

Speaker 20 (01:54:39):
They don't know the meaning of what to do, so
I don't have time for the wigamore taking off.

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
A fat diamonds like the songs.

Speaker 20 (01:54:49):
Look over, mister got the light show?

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Can you handle this? I don't know.

Speaker 20 (01:54:54):
You can meet me up at the part now come
up a box where the jogging kids.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
I hate Sancho.

Speaker 8 (01:55:02):
And recommend.

Speaker 12 (01:55:07):
Get hold that danger. I'm not danger, luckily, crush out of.

Speaker 20 (01:55:35):
Sing sing now. I'm just saying that that was just
a castle and the little king made my safeties.

Speaker 5 (01:55:40):
I had to flee.

Speaker 20 (01:55:41):
Now it's sex to the city and a couple of
little fleets.

Speaker 12 (01:55:44):
Not a second man at a yen for me, like
the rush of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
The tunnel at a break.

Speaker 20 (01:55:48):
Next week, beaut boy Joy he was going for a
while to the cut him on the web.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Hang another girls you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:54):
Know the car say he were construction.

Speaker 20 (01:55:56):
Turns out he was moving them pounds and they want
to settle down, but I just don't trust them. They
want to love me down, but there's no hair coffent.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Set would be together, but you didn't say. I don't know.

Speaker 20 (01:56:07):
I guess is this whatever is the twelfth and nove
I've never been afraid.

Speaker 12 (01:56:12):
Well that's the danger.

Speaker 20 (01:56:16):
I will get target danger, that danger, danger.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
That last Get

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
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