Full Show Podcast: 31 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Good morning, I'm Francesca Udkins filling in for Jack Tame.
Really good to have you with us. I'm with you
until midday to day. Coming out this hour, Nicky Wicks
is delivering a sweet treat Kyl Pushman with a brand
new feature film from the creator of the hit TV
show Succession. It's called Mountainhead. It's out on the first
June on Neon. We're going to get his thoughts on

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this tech bro satire later this hour, and also this
our Andrew Saville on the Crucial Games and this super
Rugby this.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Weekend Jack Team Right.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
It is not often you will hear me unreservedly champion
in act policy, but I am all in when it
comes to their concern and policy response to sexually explicit
deep fakes. The US and the UK are leading the
way with legislative changes on this New Zealand law, lagging
well behind ACDMP Laura McClure has prepared a bill to

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restrict the generation and sharing of sexually explicit deep fakes.
So recently she announced the deep Fake Digital Harm and
Expectation Bill, expands existing legislation around revenge porn and intimate
recordings and ensures that those who produce or share deep
fakes without consent faced criminal accountability, and victims have clear
pathways to seek redress and removal of harmful content. This

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is a common sense move in a tech area which
is so fast moving that we're always playing catch up.
Once upon a time, we warned our children about nude pics.
When it became apparent some just couldn't help themselves. The
recommended advice became that if they were going to send picks,
they should avoid showing identifiable features, you know, like their faces.

(02:30):
The imagery that technology can now create in mere minutes
far exceeds the considerable peril posed by the consented nude
pic key we born. Bloomberg journalist Olivia Carvell has dedicated
her career to unearthing the dark side of the tech
of tech and the Internet, and in her recent podcast,

(02:51):
Levettown focuses on the rise of deep fake pornography and
the battle to stop it. In the podcast, she tells
a story of how photographs of young women were doctored
without their consent, then they were shared on a website
where men were encouraged to discuss what they would like
to do to these women. I know it's all a
bit much for a Sunday morning, but it is a
fascinating podcast worth listening to, and even though it is

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a New York story, it has a crazy New Zealand
twist to it. The point is, though the harm and
trauma that comes from sexualized AI deep fakes is real
and impactful, and victims must have legal grounds to do
something about it, but it's also about public clarity and
drawing a strong line under what's not acceptable. It's thought

(03:37):
ninety to ninety five percent of online deep fake videos
are non consensual pornography, and around ninety percent of them
feature women. But Claire's bill is a member's bill at
this stage, which she has written to the Minister of
Justice urging that the bill is adopted as a government bill,
and I hope they take up her offer.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Franchise girl, so.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I'm keen to hear your thoughts. You're most welcome to
text on ninety two ninety two. But look the way
I see it, nothing good comes out of people making
sexualized deep fakes of a person without their consent and
using them for revenge, humiliation, bullying, six tortion, or God
forbid fun. So flet me a text ninety two ninety two.

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I am not the only one applauding ACT. This morning,
Kevin Milne was up next to talk about having a
tipple with your haircut. It's eleven past nine.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Francesco.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgin in for Jacktaime and Beep
Pure Policy Supplements for Essential Energy News talk.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
The kicking us off this morning, we have got Kevin
mil Good morning, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
It's so finally Francisca. I think the audience probably knows
that we're not both huge supports of ACT, but here
we are both congratulating ACT on some of the things
that we are doing well.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And I started off but heavy, So you're gonna lighten
us up with the You've got some kind words for
David Seymour.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
The one thing I think David Seama was good at
is identifying silliness and rules and regulations. I remember back
in the nineteen eighties, or it might have been the nineties,
doing a fairgo story about a small hair salon in
the waiter Rapper. The owner, the hairstylist herself, had received
a warning. She hadn't realized that it was a breach of

(05:33):
the health regulations to offer a glass of wine no
charge on a hot wire wrapper afternoon, But yes it was.
I couldn't believe it myself. Actually, I took a film
crew up there. I think it was a Masterton, and
we broke the law again, I suppose, filming a woman
sipping a savignon blanc while waiting for a do. I

(05:53):
remember we got an amusing story out of it. But
because the change was required in the law, I don't
think much progress was made. But finally this week, some
forty years later, the stupidity of the laws, the pointless bureaucracy,
as Seymour would put it, around hairdressers and barbers, is
to be axed. A full revoke of the health regulations

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relating to hairdressers is the aim, though I see changes
regarding the supply of alcohol has to go through more legislation,
but Surely no one's going to be prowling around salons
sniffing out wine in the meantime. Good on David Seymour
for moving on this. I think he's got a knack
a liking for really exposing unnecessary bureaucracy, a bit like

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the late Bob Jones. One might even say that Seymour
should be encouraged in his endeavors to eliminate bureaucracy. It
might distract him from his other endeavors to share that
haven't been so positive.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
We're a bit of a funny little contry, aren't we, Kevin.
We're a bit of a forty years we've been having
this discussion.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah, yes, yes, that's right. I think a lot of
the a lot of the he addresses. I don't think
you even realized it was a problem.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
No, because I was thinking back, and I'm going I'm
pretty sure in the early two thousands, if I was,
you know, when I was working full time and I
had to get my hair cut in the evenings, I'm
pretty sure I was offered a glass of wine then,
and then that kind of just disappeared right up and disappeared.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yes, Yes, a funny thing actually happened my son who's
in London, had met a guy and his bar that
he runs over there who told him my mother was
on fair Go once with your dad and it turns
out that she was the fars from the wrapper.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's funny.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Two ago.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Well, yeah, it's just it's a small world we live in,
isn't it. Very much? Just now, I suppose there's some
issues around the fact that, you know, we put a
lot of pressure on you know, institutions to have rules
about making sure people drink properly and drink well, and
you have to get like a license and you have
to go through all those sort of you know, hoops
and things. So I suppose it's sort of got to

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be you've got to you know, got to make sure
there's a certain amount of responsibility that you can't just
be saying to anyone, you know, oh yeah, of course
you can be serving drinks, and you can be serving drinks.
I suppose you have to do a little bit of
you know, you have to still you can still do it. Yeah, Oh,
ye're true.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yeah, I mean, as long as they're not running a
little side business as a bar. Basically, I think that's
probably you're the only thing you need to watch out
for anyding lesson that, I'm absolutely fine and frankly to
be encouraged.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Thank you very much, Kevin. Nice to hear from you
this morning. Can you tell your thoughts on that too?
Would you be quite happy to be able to have
a little glass of wine if you're getting your haircut
at the end of the day. Bringing that back. Coming
up next, we have got andre' sevel with Sport and
it's a big weekend for the Super Rugby. A lot
of Jeopardy involved with many of the games. He'll talk

(08:52):
us through that. It is eighteen past nine.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I am very excited because after ten, fresh from her
big win at the Arteriro Music Awards, we're going to
be joined with Amelia Murray aka Phaser Days. She is
going to join me to talk about her boldest album yet.
It's called Soft Power. It won her the Album of
the Year award and she also won Best Solo Artist.
This is the first time that she has picked up

(09:26):
some alter Hero music awards. So really excited to have
her on the show. She's going to join me just
after ten, right Andrew Seville is with us now to
talk sport.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Good morning, Andrew, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
How are you very good? Thank you? But goodness me,
what a great draw the Super Rugby has been. We're
down to this last weekend of playoffs and it's kind
of the last round and all the games are crucial,
aren't they.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
Yeah, it's been. I would say it's been one of
the best seasons we've seen in a long time, which
the competition needed because it was flagging. By my calculations,
I think around fifty percent or just under fifty percent
of the games have been decided by seven points or less,
which is exciting for fans for the competition. The rules
probably still need a good working on, because I think

(10:12):
there's still a lot of confusion around certain rules in
the game in gray gray areas. But all in all,
I think it's been an entertaining season. Last night the
Chiefs speak, the heighlight is forty one twenty four, so
they secure number one, so all through the playoffs now
as long as they go, as long as they keep winning,
they will have home advantage. The Crusaders very contentious win

(10:32):
over the Brumbies and Canberra never easy to win in Canberra.
The Brumbies are a good team. Crusaders thirty three thirty one,
very contentious, try to win for the Crusaders. It may
well have robbed the Brumbies of second place, which I'm
sure they're not happy about, but it's on the scoreboard.
The Crusaders winning by a couple of points their second,

(10:54):
the Brumbies third. Who they're going to play still needs
to be worked out. And this is going to be riveting.
It's going to be riveting this afternoon because you've got
the Blues Waratahs at four point thirty at Eighten Park.
Whoever wins that is into the playoffs for at least
a few hours. Then Mowana Pacifica traveling to Wellington to

(11:14):
play the Hurricanes. A lot of family connections, a lot
of mates in both teams, a lot of former players
from either team in both sides, so that will be
one to look out for and certainly and entertaining games.
If Mowana can upset and keep this dream season of
these going and still remain the darling of a lot

(11:35):
of rugby fans, they would make the playoffs because they've
won one more game than the Blues. Should the Blues
beat the Warritars hopefully not too confusing, but it'll all
pan out later today.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
No, So the Hurricanes are sitting at number four and
one of PACIFICA at sex. So as you say, the
Blues need to beat the war Retars and one of
PACIFICA needs to lose the Hurricanes, and then the Blues,
the defending champions, might sneak into the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
Might sneak in, and then, as I've mentioned several times,
they I don't think any team would want to face
the Blue even if they finished sixth, they're still very,
very dangerous with the players. They've got a fake click
look out.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
As you mentioned, though, this has been such a fabulous
competition this year. Who stood out for you? Like, I've
loved watching Moreana Pacific games.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah, I love watching Mowana. I love watching Ardi Savia.
He's been absolutely superb. He's going to be a big
loss next year because he's off on a sabbatical next year,
I think to Japan, so Mowana won't have him. That'll
leave a big, big hole. But I've loved watching what
they've done. I've loved watching the attention they've received quite rightly,

(12:43):
and let's not forget this team does often play on
and off the field with one arm tied behind their back,
given the restrictions are under and given financial constraints and
what have you. But yeah, loved watching them. I think
in patches that the Chiefs have lit up the competition,
as have the Crusaders, as have the Hurricanes. So I

(13:04):
think there's a lot of play is running into form
as far as All Black contention is concerned. Let's not
forget the first All Black squad of the year is
named in a few weeks, so I think we're starting
to see the good old cream rise to the top
of the competition.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Do you think Addie Severe could be in contention for
All Blacks captain?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
He should be, but he won't be.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
I'm pretty sure Scott Barrett will be retained as the
All Blacks captain. I can't see them making a change here.
The All Blacks all right.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Positive signs from if one practice in Barcelona for Liam Lawson,
he's clocked a sixth and a tenth. This is just practice,
but he's waded a sixth and a tenth fastest times
across both sessions, which is good.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
If he keeps Yeah, if he keeps plugging away and
getting top tens and practices and maybe top you know
eight in qualifying for Barcelona. That's a that's a big
win for Lawson considering where he's come from. He ran
a very good race last week in Monaco for his
team and gained personal points as well, but more importantly

(14:14):
team points for his racing balls outfit. So if he
just keeps chipping away, clearly, as he gets more time
in that car, he will improve, There's no doubt about it.
He's a talented kid. So this is good promising signs
for Liam Lawson.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I've been saying Andrew, just leave him alone. He started
with such a hiss and a roar on all his
attention and it was full on. I said, leave the catalone,
just let it, let him drive. He'll find his confidence,
he'll find us.

Speaker 7 (14:44):
And as we're seeing whoever they put in that second car,
Red Ball, it's a bit of a poison choice, isn't it.
So probably better off to be out of there. And
I wouldn't I wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
I wouldn't totally count out in the future Lawson returning
to to the top Red Bull team.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
But it's all going to depend on form, isn't it yep? Ye,
So if he can just quietly find his feet this
season and keep as you say, getting in the top
tenking some points things, you know, and just you know,
I think it was very tough. You know, you don't
look some of these kids go from you know, Chemist
who has done pretty well stepping up into Mercedes. That's

(15:21):
pretty impressive, but that is a very big step to make.
So we just will enjoy that. Do you know what
time it's on in Barcelona?

Speaker 8 (15:28):
What time is clified?

Speaker 7 (15:29):
I think Monday, it'll be Monday, maybe two or three
a Monday morning out time time. Yeah, qualifying will be
similar time tomorrow morning our time. So you small ahead
of Leah Wilson Spain.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Excellent. And this week we lost a former national cricket coach,
David Trist.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
I wanted to mention David Trist Francisca because he was
a great man. He only coached New Zealand for a
couple of years. It should have been a lot longer.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
He won that.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
I see c knockout tournament in Kenya. I think it
was New Zealand's first ever global type tournament win. But
more so in the late eighties and early nineties. He
coached a Canterbury team that brought through. He brought through
a number of superstars, you know, Stephen Fleming, Chris Key
and Nathan Astell, Chris Harris, Lee, Jamon and others. It

(16:23):
was a fantastic cricket team, great bunch of guys and
all led by a wonderful cricket coach and a wonderful man.
And David Trist he was one of those people Francesca.
He always had a glint in his eye, had his
wonderful handlebar mustache. He was a very smart man, not
only talking to him about cricket, but life in general
and all sorts of things. Very very smart, always had

(16:45):
time for everybody, very popular, and you a real great
loss for cricket, for sport and for Canterbury and New
Zealand in general. Lived in a beautiful spot. I don't
know if you know little River which is on the
way to arkherol On Banks financial a beautiful part of
the world and he lived there for a number of years.
Required and yet that I think that little we village

(17:10):
summed up David Trist's colorful, quite well thought.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Out and yeah, great man.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
He was a player as well. Wasn't he former.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
Candis new Cement. Yep, yeah, he played. He was a
bit of a past bowler from memory, but you know,
and I'll never forget in the early nineties he gave
a lot of his time and would always chat to
a certain bumfluff radio reporter as in youers truly in
christ Chute, And I'll never forget that the time and

(17:44):
he gave to me and the advice he gave to me,
and that the chats would always had so always have.
So yeah, big loss.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Oh thanks for those thoughts and those words. Andrew, nice
to catch up with you. That was Andrew Savill. There
now Jesse Armstrong. He created the TV show Succession, which
many of you will be familiar with. He is back
with another satire. It is also about uber wealthy people.
He didn't mean to immediately write another film or TV
show about very wealthy people, but he became absolutely fascinated

(18:17):
with the tech billionaires and so he conceived this film,
wrote it and shot it in about six months, which
is actually really remarkable. And he just wanted to do
that because he wanted to get it out as fast
as possible because it is so timely. These four tech
billionaires that he has made this film about. They are

(18:37):
prepared to do pretty much anything to rule the world
and take us post human. Carl Pushman has watched the
film and he is going to give us his thoughts
on it. Next it is nine point thirty with News Talks,
Abe Says.

Speaker 9 (19:04):
Love Me.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Taylor Swift has brought the original recordings to her first
six albums. This is ending a year's long legal saga
that you remember, she started re recording all her old
work because she no longer owned it, and then so
she re recorded it so she owned those recordings, and
actually the fans were loving it because she'd changed the
songs a little bird or strow it an extra track,

(19:27):
or do things a little bit differently, and the Swifties
would sit and they'd compare it, and oh, it's very exciting. Anyway,
she's just of course finished the errors tour around the world,
but she has finally been able to buy back those
original recordings, which is really good for her. Although a
lot of Swifties were expecting her to now release Reputation

(19:49):
as a re recorded album, and we're very much looking
forward to it, and she probably won't do that now.
She doesn't need to. She owns it, so good honor.
That was quite a long battle for her and she
has won it. Right. Film time now, and I'm joined
by writer of weekly film and TV Substack Crack, Kyl
Pushman is worth me.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Good morning, Carl, Hi, Patrisca.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Good to talk to you. We've got a couple of
films to discuss today. Let's start with Mountain Head and
have a listen to this.

Speaker 10 (20:19):
I hope you're rich folks, don't mind slumming it in
the humble abode of the poorest billionaire in the gang.

Speaker 8 (20:25):
All right, your platform is inflamed, volble situation, the weapons
start piling, some bank.

Speaker 11 (20:32):
Fronts, violence, chaos, and people are dying.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Not real, And don't explode like that. And don't explode
like that. You know how to hand to explode.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
It seems to me, Kyl, that only Jessy Armstrong could
pull something like this together.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
Yes, yes, you find yourself watching a movie with four
extremely unlikable lead characters, which might be a cinema first
I think, normally there's someone to get behind and root for,
but here you don't like anyone. It's quite unusual in
that regard. The four main characters are tech billionaires tech brollionaires,
I like to call them, and they're all sort of

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based on that they've got familiarities with our actual real
world current crop of billionaires. You know, there's that same arrogance,
hubrious abhorrence, but it doesn't copy their direct personas. So
there's no Elon Musk, but there are, but one of
the characters has a lot of Elon Musk characteristics if
you sort of follow me. And it's all about one

(21:33):
of them unleashing a genitor of generative AI onto their
social network, which is capable of producing photorealistic movies. Predictably,
this leads to instant chaos with no guardrails implemented around
its usage, and the world falls into quite a lot
of global conflict happening, which they see as an opportunity

(21:56):
to exert their digital influence and implement their sort of
tech bro philosophies, which are all will be familiar to
those that sort of follow the news and what these
people do actually believe.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
They speak their ownanguage, don't they, Carl, And, to be
honest with you, when the film began, I thought, I'm
not sure I can keep up with this. You know,
they have their own language, they have their own philosophies
and moral compass and just way of talking about the world,
which takes a little bit to get used to. But
then something happened. I don't know if you noticed this.
There is a point in the film where Sev Carrel,
who is playing one of these tech bros. He runs

(22:27):
into a glass door in this artom monstonsity at a
house that they're living in that they're all staying for
a weekend and up in the mountains, he runs into
a glass door and it's like the film switches from
a satire to a black comedy, and all of a sudden,
I was all in.

Speaker 8 (22:43):
That is exactly my experience the first half. If I
can use a sports analogy for a second, the first
half it's a movie of two halves. In the first
half I found quite boring, and there were things flying
that they weren't landing, and I was thinking this should
be way funnier than it is. I recognize that they're
saying jokes, but they're not. It's just not fun. It's
just not that funny. At that point that you've just mentioned,

(23:03):
the film does the second half so worth It is
just like laugh out loud hilarious, and there's sort of
a mix between the witty zingers in one liners and
that little bit of physical comedy as well in there,
which just elevates the whole thing. So it's quite Yeah,
it's another strange part of the film where the first
half is a drag, in the second half it is

(23:25):
quite brilliant.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I thought, No, I completely agreed, and just that the
arrogance and the greed of these men is just extraordinary.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
It and so timely, like I think it's quite possibly
the most timely film ever released, Like they only finished
shooting it last month, so it's got out blisteringly quick
and due to a quirk and timing. It's so timely
and so relevant, but also a little bit outdated because
they're dealing with this catastrophe about Photorealistic AI being released,

(23:56):
and a few days ago Google did release VO three,
which is capable of doing exactly what they're talking about
in the movie, which kind of makes it from a
slightly feature sick satire to almost an episode of Black
Mirror where you're like, oh, this is reality that we're
actually now living in. So I hadn't been released last week,
it would have been a different story, but it's just
so strange. Well, that's a fast tech moves.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's amazing, isn't it. I mean, this is how horrible
these people are. Right, So they call their host and
they call him Super which is short for soup Kitchen,
because he's only worth five hundred and thirty million and
the rest of them worth billions.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Yeah, I mean he's the pauper of the group, that poor.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (24:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
OK.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Let's talk about another film. And I'm really pleased that
you're talking about this because Captain America Brave World was
released early on in the cinemas, but it kind of
just was released with no hype. No one really knew
it was out, and it's now being released on Disney.
Let's have a listen.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
I was wartime general, now I'm a wartime presator.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Your inner circle has been compromised. Let me fix it.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Watch yourself. You're not Steve Rogers, right, No.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So that was Captain America Brave New World out now
on Disney Plus. Carl is Marvel losing its magic?

Speaker 8 (25:19):
It's I think it lost its magic for a little
while there, and it's in course correction mode. And this
is part of the course correction it's you know, it's
a it's a massive ship. This is like the thirty
fifth film in the series, which is just bananas when
you stop and think about it. So it's a it's
a it's a slow shift. But I think they are

(25:40):
talking about they went through that period where there was
just too many. It was an overwhelming amount of films
where you just unless you were die hard, it was
impossible to keep up. So they're in this triggy place
now where they're trying to balance those die hard fans
and bringing people sort of like me that dipped out
of the franchise bring them back. And it's a hard
balance and yeah, how much you buy into it, Yeah,

(26:04):
they've got to make it so it appeals to someone
just casually watching. And this is a political action thriller
at its heart, with a giant, big red hulk running
around smashing them things up. But it does do what
it sets out to do quite well. There's a lot
of fan stuff that they'll be into, but you can
sit down and understand what's going on without needing the

(26:26):
prior knowledge of the thirty five films. You know, the
big drawers. Harrison Ford playing the President who has anger
management problems that lead them to becoming Red Hulk, which
is obviously a problem for the President of the United
States of America. And then there's Captain America played by
Anthony Mackie, who's really great. He's the new Captain and
he's trying to work out why this is happening and

(26:48):
prevent it from happening. So there's a lot going on,
but there's enough there for both camps to enjoy. I
don't think it's a solid home run for the MCU,
but it's a decent watch on streaming for say a
Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Okay, so you see this is a into reboot almost.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
I don't know if I've done that far. I just
think it's a it's like it is continuing things on,
like there's references to everything. It has that same Marvel
problem where a problem for casual people like me, but
what the fans are into where it's setting up things
for the next film. So you kind of feel like
you're in that cycle of I'm watching this film, but
it's kind of set up for the next film, and

(27:30):
then you watch that next film and it's kind of
sitting up the next door that might be so minute
anyone who's sort of spent some time around the MCU,
So it's definitely got that aspect to it where things
are being set up. I would have liked to see
a little bit more Red Hulk in it, because you
know that's obviously Harrison's would going Hulk rage is quite
a quite a slight But yeah, it was. It was

(27:53):
all right, it's not it's not going to convince anyone unconvinced.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
And are we expecting the Adventures to come back?

Speaker 8 (28:02):
Well, the that's without going to spoil a terror too.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh okay, okay, right right back. No no no no no
no no, no no, we don't want to. I do
not want to have the Avengers dance on the text
machine for the rest of the morning. So let's just
leave it there. Cal Pushman, thank you so much for
your thoughts this morning. That was Cal Pushman, writer of
Weekly Film and TV Substack Screen Crack. I don't forget

(28:27):
our album of the Year and Best Solo Artist winner
from the Altar Music Awards, Phaser Days is with me
after ten and look, maybe this weekend you might like
to celebrate the King's Birthday and true New Zealand style.
The King's Birthday Lamington cake. Nicki Wicks has the recipe
for US.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Next.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It is sixteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudgan in for Jack Daim keeping
the conversation going through the weekend with the fewer polity
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Speaker 2 (28:59):
Be Niki Wicks is with us.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Good morning, Nikki, Yes, good morning, and welcome back two.
I'm looking at the window this blue sky. I was
going to say, you know, I don't get when to
weather heir in New Zealand. You just you've been in Bali.

Speaker 13 (29:14):
I have been in Bali. Yes, it was absolutely adorable,
but I was I was just telling our producer that
I also love coming home, probably more than more than
more than the holiday. I love coming home, and I've
loved coming home to the cold weather. I'm inspired by
lots of Balinese food, but home is best, I think,
you know. So Yeah, we'll see how we go with

(29:35):
testings of Balinese recipes and I'll rock those out in
a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Fantastic. Now, that's a good attitude. Helps get over the
jet lag. Yeah, yeah, you have got a King's Birthday
Leamington cake ressus morning. I like I never tire of Leamington.

Speaker 13 (29:49):
I never tire of Leamington's, and this Leamington cake once
you start making it, you'll never tire of it either. People.
It just brings a huge smile to everybody's face. It's
just it's kind of hilarious and glorious and actually super
easy to make, and it is absolutely delicious.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Why is it hilarious Because it's sort.

Speaker 13 (30:06):
Of this giant Leamington you know what I mean, And
it's kind of like what the heck, you know. But
there's a few things that make this a really lovely
kind of adult cake, and that is the tart rasberries
jet and sort of icing that's on it. And I
do use fresh raspberries for this, and that gives a
tartness to it, which I think is really important. Otherwise
it's just quite sweet because coconut's quite sweet. There's a

(30:27):
sponge cake and that sort of thing. No, it's absolutely beautiful.
I just keep on making this as a as a
birthday cake or celebration cake. So here you go, and
I'm going to give a couple of really good cheats.
So the first cheat is you don't need to make
your own sponge cake. You could buy a trifle sponge
from the supermarket. But I'm going to talk to you
about making a sponge cake. But I've made it with

(30:48):
both and it's equally well received. So throw your raven
on at one hundred and seventy degrees celsius on fan
bake and then let's make a little sponge cake. So
grease two round cake tins. I've used ones that are
about anywhere between twenty and twenty three cents to meat.
Is this cake will be fine. So that's the size

(31:09):
of your cake tins, and dust them with flour. Now
you want your button ice and soft. I've got one
hundred and thirty grams of unsalted butter. If you've only
got salted, for goodness sake, that's fine. I mean, butter
is such a fortune these days. Any sort of butter
is a luxury. Beat the butter until it's really lovely
and soft with the sugar. One cup of cast of
sugar and two teaspoons with vanilla extract. And you want
that to be really light and fluffy. That is the

(31:32):
key that you know, write this food stage for a
decent sponge cake. You've got three large eggs that we're
going to add to that creamed butter and sugar. Add
them one at a time, mixing them kind of really
well in between, and by really well I probably mean
about beating for about twenty seconds after each egg addition.
Then you want to stir in some flour, and I've
used two in the food cups of self raising flour.

(31:54):
Obviously you could use plain flour and add some baking powder,
probably two teaspoons of baking powder. A good pinch of
salt gives it some balance. I wouldn't miss that out.
And I've got a cup of milk, so I stir
in the flour and the milk kind of alternately. And
you just don't want to overmix a sponge cake because
that gets the glutens and the flour to start stretching,

(32:14):
and that'll make a tough cake. I've got two cake
tins here, so I want to divide my batter one
thod and one and two thirds in another. You do
not have to be too careful with this. You want
to bake for about twenty five minutes. The thicker one
will probably take about five to seven minutes longer. And
a sponge cake is cooked Francesca when you can press
it just gently and it springs back easily to the touch,

(32:37):
So I'd kind of start checking my cake from about
twenty three minutes after that time. It's not going to
sink when you open the oven. If you start opening
the oven earlier, you're in trouble. And I've probably made
all that sound complicated, but it's super easy. You want
to leave these to call for twelve to fifteen minutes
and then turn them out of their cake tins on
a wy wrap to make sure that they are called completely.

(32:58):
If they've risen up too much. Some people's ovens do that,
that's fine, and they've got a bit of a dome
on them. You can level that off with a big
bread knife. So you just want to take that sponge
off there because we want to layer these up, and
the thickest sponge we're going to divide that into two layers,
so we've got three layers of cake. Here we go
in terms of assembly, super easy. Mix some icing sugar.

(33:19):
I've got one and a half cups of icing sugar
with about thirty grams of melted or really soft butter
and half and about three tablespoons of boiling water. I've
used half a cup of raspberries, and I've used frozen
raspberries which I've defrosted, and you want to press those
through a sieve Francesca so that you don't get any

(33:39):
of the seeds in there. But you've got this beautiful
juice and add that to the icing, and then you
want to mix that together until you get a really smooth,
very ruddy icing. Add a bit more water if you
need to. Here's my second hack. You know that wonderful
company Fresh Airs that dehydrates all of the fruit, yes, palms.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
And all of that.

Speaker 13 (33:57):
Yeah, they do an icing. They do a raspberry icing.
Also do a strawberry one, but the raspberry icing is
what you're looking for, and it's in the same pouches
and most soupit markets. It's not an ad. I just
absolutely love this and it's got everything you need. You
just add boiling water to it. So that's a really
nice little hat because they use fresh raspberries and neck
because we really want the tartness for this cake. Anyway,

(34:19):
pour this beautiful running icing out onto a shallow dinner plate,
and on another dinner plate, you want about one and
a half cups of coconut thread desiccated all thread doesn't
really matter. I like to use the slightly longer thread.
And then what you want to do is you want
to roll the sides of each cake layer into that icing,
so you're just sort of wheeling it like a sort

(34:39):
of like a wheel kind of thing, you know, through
the icing and then through the coconut and set them
aside so that they can sort of set a little bit.
And then all we do is plays a sponge layer
that's got this beautiful rim now of raspberry and coconut,
and we put that on our serving plate, spread it
with some jam. I like to use a good thood
of a cup of raspberry jam between the two layers

(35:00):
that we're going to do here, So spread half of
that and then doll upon lots of whipped cream, beautiful
whipped cream. You can put a tablespoon of icing sugar
in there if you want it, or leave it out.
Top it with the second layer of sponge, and put
the jam on and the cream, and then top it
with that final sponge layer. And a little trick for
people who don't do a lot of baking, always use

(35:21):
the layer that's been in the bottom of the tin,
because you'll get a really nice square finish on the top,
so you want to actually use that as your top layer,
and spreads the top with the icing, sprinkle overloads of
coconut patch it up if you need to, and then
chill it for about thirty minutes and it's ready to
serve and it's just beautiful. Cut it with a serrated
knife and you get those beautiful layers of the raspberry jam,

(35:44):
the beautiful cream, your lovely sponge cake, and honestly, it's
just a delight and it's so delicious. It really is
so delicious.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
I think.

Speaker 13 (35:53):
I think he's yeah, I think the freakake. Why not?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Absolutely, Look, it just sounds delicious. I've got a very
good baker in the house, so I think I'll just
take this recipe home and hand it over and to enjoy.

Speaker 13 (36:06):
It's a great idea. And as I say, you could
use those two hacks and you'll be making this cake
and sort of under twenty minutes if you use a
bort sponge and that I sing, so yeah, I do it.
It's a beautiful I call it my Glamington cake.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Glamington cake. Love it. Thank you so much, Nicky Wixon.
Of course we'll get that recipe up on our website
newstalk ZDB dot co dot MZ for you this morning
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Quite a few texting too, saying the Mountainhead film sounds
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(37:24):
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It's kind of a bit grating, and you are sitting
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So that's mountainhead out on neon first of June. Okay,
I'm very excited. Coming up next, we have the big
winner from this week's our Turtle Music Awards, Amelia Murray
nine is Phaser Days. She's going to join us. We're
going to get some behind the scenes gas from the night,
but we're also going to talk with Mela about her
hugely successful album Soft Power and where to next for

(38:11):
Phaser Days. We're going to finish the hour with Phaser
Days and Cherry Pie Backsually.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
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Speaker 12 (39:15):
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Speaker 2 (39:43):
This is Bigger by Phaser Days, kicking off our hour.
New Zealand Music's big night out took place this week.
The Arterro Music Awards celebrated at sixtieth year with our
biggest musical stars, Glitzton Graam for the Red Carpet and
taking out two awards for Best Solo Artist and A
highly coveted Album of the Year was Phaser Days, also

(40:05):
known as Ami and Murray and Emilia joins me this morning,
Good morning in now Francesca.

Speaker 14 (40:12):
How are we really.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Good to have you with us? This is your first
time winning an out Ow Music Award. How did you
feel hearing your name?

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Ah?

Speaker 14 (40:22):
I felt weirdly calm. Actually, I think it's it feels
kind of like it's been a really long time coming.
I've been nominated quite a few times before, and it
was kind of it was nice to finally take home
a trophy. So yeah, I felt really felt really good.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, because your album Soft Power was a long time
in the making, and I wonder whether this when cemented
that time, that you know that taking your time was
really worth it.

Speaker 14 (40:49):
Yeah, I think so. I mean it was kind of
validating because It was a really hard journey making this record.
I had a lot of stuff going on personally, but
also just navigating the industry and trying to free the
music was a massive journey, just just getting the music
out there and untangling it from a lot of various
things that were going on. And so then to kind

(41:09):
of have a couple of awards in my hands to
kind of show for all that that work was just
really yeah, really validating and gratifying.

Speaker 11 (41:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, you should be proud because that Album of the
Year category, it was stacked with amazing albums, wasn't it.

Speaker 14 (41:27):
Oh my gosh? Yeah, I mean I was really nestled
into my seat, I was. I was pretty cumpfy to
be like, okay, well the night's over, like like I was,
I was not expecting to get up on stage again.
So it was yeah, I mean that category, there's so
many great artists and then great records. So I was
pretty surprised. I was genuinely very surprised to win, to
win that one, Yeah, the big one.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
How fun are these big awards nights? Are they fun?
Do you enjoy them?

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (41:54):
I lane, it's quite I find it getting really quite
stressful because there's a lot of a lot of things
like that. On that night, I had to think about
the clothes I was wearing for the Red carpet and
then performing as well, the kind of different looks between
the two. But once I reckon, the hardest thing is
getting ready, This most stressful thing is getting ready. And
then once you're there, it's so much fun because all

(42:16):
your peers celebrating and celebrating each other and yeah, and
celebrating music, and so it's it's a pretty special, magical night. Yes,
it is fun once you get past the stress.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Is it more nerve breaking performing a gig to your
fans or performing in front of a room full of
your peers?

Speaker 11 (42:36):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (42:37):
Good question. I was probably more nervous performing in front
of my peers because ah, they know, you know, you
can't really hide from them. So yeah, I think I'd
probably say playing in front of my peers, Yeah, I mean,
I think I think Lord was in the audience, you know,
so lots of like you know, stand walker, big big

(42:59):
names and great artists in the audience. So yeah, I
was pretty nervous.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Do you get to sort of brush shoulders and meet
these people?

Speaker 14 (43:07):
Yeah, I mean I met Stan for the first time
Sam Walker for the first time, and he was so sweet.
And I've known Ala for a while Lord for a while,
but I didn't know I shouldn't get to bump into her,
but yeah, it was. It was pretty nice meeting. I
met Holly Smith, who I've looked up to my whole life.
So yeah, you do get to hang out with the

(43:27):
with the stars. That's pretty special.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
And Amlia by the end of the night, had you
agreed to do some collaborations with people?

Speaker 14 (43:33):
And I didn't. I didn't quite smooth that hard, but
I to plant some seeds.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
So I like it. But it sounds cheesy, but actually
the New Zealand music industry is very open and generous
and friendly and welcoming of people, isn't it genuinely?

Speaker 14 (43:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Most people are really approachable
and accessible and every time I've reached out to someone
for advice or help, I've always being met with a
reply or help or being pointed in the right direction.
So so yeah, for the most part, I think it
is a really supportive industry. I mean, there's not because

(44:18):
everyone knows each other and there's not it's not very big,
so yeah, it is. It is, you know, when a
newcomer comes in, it's it's like, you know, everyone knows
about them straight away, So it's pretty Yeah, I'd say
it is really supportive, especially between artists who like sometimes
I've had to double check a deal with someone, and
even an artist I don't know who may maybe has

(44:39):
a similar deal, I'll reach out to them and be like,
hey can you can you kind of bounce this off you?
And I've always been met with so much help, So yeah,
it's pretty special like that.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
And mean, there was a bit of time when you
sort of stepped away from music between albums from twenty
seventeen to sort of soft Power.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Why was that?

Speaker 14 (45:00):
Yeah, Well, I went through as I don't really want
to get into, like the personal details of it. I
was battling a lot of I guess things in my
domestic life that weren't very balanced and weren't Yeah, we're
out of We're really out of balance, and I was
fighting these kind of power dynamics and just not really

(45:22):
able to win. As a young woman making music and
navigating the world, I didn't really have the skill set
to know how to battle what I was going through,
and it took me, really it took me stepping away
from music and sort of moving cities to kind of
find myself again. It was a really slow journey to

(45:44):
come back into myself to then be able to make
music and get it out there again. It's a I
feel like this job is quite I guess like spiritual
or something like. I do have to be quite in
touch with myself and my intuition just to be able
to do my job.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
And if I.

Speaker 14 (46:02):
If I'm losing touch with myself, it's really hard to
make decisions and put myself out there and put myself
on a stage if I'm not feeling in my own frame.
So it's been a long time coming back into my
own frame after some of the things I went through.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I was talking to mel Parsons recently and she, you know,
she did making point she went, writing songs is actually
really hard. Oh yeah, you know, if you're not in
the right place or space or you know, it's hard anyway.

Speaker 14 (46:29):
Yeah, yeah, oh, it really is. It's like a really
psychological battle, like you've got to let it. You've got
to let it flow, you can't force it, but you
also do have to sit down and work. So it's
like this really fine balance between Yeah, just just flowing,
but also being disciplined enough to let it flow. So

(46:51):
it's yeah, I find it really I find it really trucky,
and when a song comes comes through it, it's like
you've struck gold, you know, But it doesn't always show up,
and sometimes you're like, oh, well that was a waste
of time and what am I doing with my life?

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Emilia? The sound and Soft Power is a lot bolder
than your debut. How did your approach to creating this
album differ from before?

Speaker 14 (47:14):
Oh? So, I guess I've always done like bedroom pop music,
and I've kind of always made music in my bedroom,
and with that comes like a bit more of a
low fire sound, and I, you know, my first record,
Morning Side, did quite well, and I started to find
myself on these bigger stages because of how well my

(47:37):
career was going, and I guess that kind of inspired
the next record, as I thought, I'd love to make
music that actually suited the stage more and suited these
venues I was playing because they were getting larger and
my music was still quite small in bedroom. So Soft
Power I was really trying to lean into a more expansive,

(47:58):
open cinematic sound while still retaining this like bedroom like quality.
So I do kind of joke that Soft Power is
like a bedroom stadium records, Like I've I tried to
straddle both on it.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
You know, it's really interesting you say that because the
coming time made to my producer was this would just
be so awesome live. You know, I'm you know, to
to hear this album played live. Was it fun to
be able to take it from you know that? Did
you enjoy that process of taking it from an album
from the bedroom to the stage.

Speaker 14 (48:33):
Yeah, I mean I have really because I sort of
did well on the internet and I'm an introverted person
and a kind of just like you know, make music
in my bedroom and spend far too many hours on
my own. It has been a real big transition, not
just getting the music into a live setting and everything,

(48:55):
but also myself out of my bedroom and like onto
the road and touring and in front of people and socializing.
And yeah, it has been, it has been. It's been
a it's definitely been a journey like putting that music
onto the stage. And I actually recently got some help
from my friend time In Martin, and he helps me

(49:17):
adapt the music from you know, my recordings into the
band and onto the onto the stage, because I often
just like write these songs in my room and I
and record them in my room, and then I don't
actually know how to play them live. So it's been
good to get some help with that lately.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
You've already toured with the band Ponned through the US,
and you're going back to tour in the US soon.
What's that like?

Speaker 14 (49:43):
Oh, it's pretty. It's pretty surreal. It's like I mean,
touring the US, it was just something I dreamed of
as a teenager playing in a band. And now to
be yeah, like invited back over there. We're touring with
Pexis in August and September in the US. It's it's

(50:05):
pretty surreal. It's it's pretty not gonna lie it's pretty.
It's very hard work like it it's really hard work
on the body. Like it's just a lot of venues
and vans and hotels, but it's pretty special. I always
take my one of my best friends, Dave Rowlands, he
plays guitar in my band, and because I've got him,

(50:27):
it's it's even when it gets hard, it's actually it's
actually still really fun.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Have you learned how to have you had to sort
of be quite provactive and then how to look after
yourself when you're on the road. You know, it's not
like the good old days of rock and roll that
you sort of dream that will be actually has to
sort of, you know, be quite self preserving about it.
Take a sort of quite a self preserving approach to it.

Speaker 10 (50:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (50:50):
Absolutely, Like sometimes I watch the movies and then touring
and drinking and like doing drugs, and I'm like, how
you have to be a machine if you are doing that.
Plus touring, like touring on its own is just so
hard and throw alcohol and drugs. It's like, I don't
know how anyone would get through a tour. So yeah,
I I mean, yeah, I've got a lot of little

(51:12):
hacks I do, Like I bring a yoga mat on tour,
like a very unrock and roll I bring my yoga mat.
I bring a skipping rope, just so that like in between,
you know, when we when we get a stop on
the road, I can like do a little you know,
get the blood flowing.

Speaker 12 (51:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (51:30):
I've got a whole bunch of other hacks just to
kind of keep fit and healthy, because you have to,
like you know, just I'm playing a pretty heavy guitar
every night, and my strength has to be my core
strength has to be up and yeah, it's and there's
a lot of heavy gear to lift, so you do
actually have to be quite physically in a good and

(51:51):
a good place. Otherwise it's it goes downhill really fast.
It's it's a real I find touring just all about
self preservation. So yeah, do.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
You have a different expectation of how those international shows
will feel compared to the ones that you play for
the home audience.

Speaker 14 (52:10):
Yeah, I think so. I mean when we head over
in August to support Petsa's in another band called Spoon,
we are playing. This will be my first time doing
like an outdoor antitheater tour, so a lot of these
venues that we're playing will be like it'll be Midsummer,
and I guess it will be kind of different in

(52:30):
that sense, just like you know, we're playing Red Rocks
and Denver like quite big, outdoor, iconic venue, So I
think I guess that will be one point of difference.
But other than that, like when we do head on
like a more regular your phase it Day's headline tour
in the US or headline shows in the US, it

(52:52):
is actually quite similar. Like it's actually, you know, when
you talk to people afterwards, it's just the accents different,
But other than that, it's actually it is really similar.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
And really just finally, when you're making music, do you
think about the way your audience is going to relate
or do you make it and put it out there
in the world for people to enjoy however they and
interpret it, interpret however they like.

Speaker 14 (53:13):
Yeah, I mean I usually just try, Like I mean,
I have tried to write in a way of like, oh,
this will go down well, but it doesn't really work.
But it doesn't really. I don't find it very conducive
to my creativity to think too much about the audience
early on. I just sort of try to leave that
later in the creative process. I off. Now, I try

(53:36):
my best to just write for myself. And I feel
like you hear that all the time, but I I
really do try to just write what makes me feel
excited and what's resonating with me, because I know that
if I trust that and follow that, it will resonate
with other people. So I do try to just pull
it in and and and follow my nose on on

(53:58):
what feels exciting to me. And yeah, and that's that's
how I've been working lately anyway, and it's been it's been, yeah,
very conducive to creativity.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I'm finding Amelia best of luck with the tour in
the US and congratulations on the big wins this week.

Speaker 14 (54:14):
Well done, Thank you, Francisca, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
That was Amelia Murray, who you may know as phaser days.
Go and have and listen to her gorgeous album Soft Power.
She won Album of the Year and also Best Seller
Artist at the Artro Music Awards this week. It is
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Speaker 3 (54:37):
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Speaker 5 (54:53):
With her.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Cameron Douglas has a lovely sounding merlow for us this morning.
Rude is all about livening up the garden right now,
though our screen Time Expert Award has some fat new
Tally shows for us to enjoy Overking Birthday weekend. Good morning, Tara,
Good morning Okay, I have delved into Netflix's new show
Department Q, basically because I love Matthew Good and also

(55:17):
I love listening to Scottish accents.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Yeah, what did you think?

Speaker 15 (55:21):
Did you enjoy it?

Speaker 11 (55:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I did. I think it takes a little while to
get into. I mean, Matthew Good is definitely very committed
to the role. He looks as tortured as his character
should be, and he's not a particularly nice guy. But
as we proceed, I can see that you're going to
kind of warm to him. Would that be fair?

Speaker 5 (55:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (55:36):
Yeah, absolutely. This is a new Scottish crime thriller. It's
made by the team behind The Queen's Gambit and it
is about a police detective called Carl Mark who's played
by Matthew Good. And Mark is recovering from a traumatic
incident on the job. He's not well liked, he's difficult
to work with, he's suffering a lot of guilt and
when he comes back to work, he's sent to the

(55:57):
basement and given a new job, working completely on his
own as the head of Department Q, which is a
new cold case units a publicity stunt basically to reassure
the public that the police are taking crime seriously, and
so it's not expected to succeed. But Mark builds this
team of colleagues who like him, do things differently, and

(56:20):
they start investigating this four year old cold case involving
a young lawyer. So there's two storylines running through here.
But it did grab me from the very first second.
It's got energy, it's dark and gritty. There's some brilliant
sarcastic humor in this, and as you say, it does
take its time and sort of carefully crafting that world

(56:42):
of people and places and moments that you get pulled into.
So it's a crime thriller, but I think it's going
to kind of turn into a very moody, gothic psychological
thriller as well. And perfect timing for the long wintery
weekend at nine episodes, and I think if you like
Line of Duty, if you like Slow Horses or Luther,

(57:02):
I think you'll like this one as well.

Speaker 13 (57:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I like the structure of it as well. I don't
want to give away too much about the plot, but
the way that those two storylines were kind of working together,
I didn't see y one coming, so I like that
as well. Hey, the Better Sister is starting on Prime Video.
Awesome cast Jessica Bill and Elizabeth Banks, and I've only
watched the first episode of this, but what I liked
about it was, I have no idea whether this is
going to go because all the characters seem dodgy.

Speaker 15 (57:26):
Tara, Yes, it's so true, and it's kind of tapping
into that white lotus thing that we're getting a lot
of it at the moment, where you know, it's glossy
and beautiful, and it's about the lives of wealthy people
who outwardly everything is perfect, but underneath it's all kind
of terrible and there's lots of secrets. But your Sisters
Jessica Bill and Elizabeth Banks, who play two estrange sisters

(57:48):
who are forced to reconcile after one of their husbands
is murdered. Chloe is a high powered media executive. She's
very successful and she's in the public eye and her
sister Nicki is a recovering at it. And when Chloe's
husband is killed one night, the two sisters have to
sort out their own issues in order to protect themselves
and their family from being framed from the crime. But

(58:10):
there's a bit of ambiguity in there. In that first
episode about about whether what we're seeing is true, and
I think I found the key to this was suspending
belief a bit. The first episode I felt was a
little bit slow, again, taking its time to set things up.
And if you've watched a lot of crime dramas, there's
some distracting stuff going on here, people walking through the

(58:31):
crime scene and hiding evidence in unusual ways.

Speaker 14 (58:35):
But there is some.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Good stuff how here.

Speaker 15 (58:36):
Jessica Beale and Elizabeth Banks are both great in this.
You know what I mean when I say yeah, I
love and love it. Yeah, And I think this is
probably a show that you can put on and admire
the clothes and the nice houses and the beach views
and just sort of be slowly pulled into it and
not have to think too hard about it.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
And you got a comedy for us.

Speaker 15 (58:53):
Yes, this is Brassak. This is a British comedy. It's
not a new show. It's been around since twenty nineteen,
but five seasons of it have just landed on Netflix.
So I think this is going to give that show
a whole new audience in New Zealand. It's already in
the endlist already, but it's set in a small village
in the north of England, and it's about five young
working class men who have all grown up together. They're

(59:16):
stuck in this small town.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
They're broke.

Speaker 15 (59:18):
There isn't any jobs and so they spend their days
doing petty crimes, things like stealing Shetland ponies to order.
And one of the friends wants to leave their village
and go off and do bigger and better things, and
it makes the others start to question what they want
to do with their lives. Now, I will say this
is not a politically correct TV show. It's created by
Joe Gilgan, who plays Vinie in This and who was

(59:38):
also in This Is England. It reminded me of Shameless
and or the in between Ers. You know, there's a
lot of swearing, there's a lot of dodgy behavior, but
it is very funny and it's about friendship and small
town life and trying to do the right thing and
failing over and over again. And it's got heart to it,
which I think is what makes it so watchable and
likable and why you end up backing these lovable rogues

(01:00:01):
because there's heart and warmth inness and it is very
funny as.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Well wonderful Thank you so much. Tarras recommendations Today, Department
Q is on Netflix, The Better Sister Prime Video, and
Bressik is on Netflix. And I've just seen that Lrita
Switt who was eight it was hot Lips. And the
TV show Mash has passed away. If you're a fan
of the TV show Mash, you'll know exactly who I'm
talking about. Died at age eighty seven. It is twenty

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Hell Disney legend Miley Cyrus. She has released her ninth album.
The thirty two year old pop star has built a
career out of being, you know, pretty spontaneous and speaking
her mind, and she certainly has form when it comes
to going off piece. But her last album featuring the
song the world's biggest selling single of twenty twenty three, Flowers.

(01:01:28):
It had two point seven billion streams that year, and
Miley actually bagged her first ever Grammy win as well
with it this time around though. The new album it's
called Something Beautiful. It's going to be accompanied by a
visual component, so it's debuting at the Tribeca Film Festival
next weekend. It's a concept album, apparently with its psychedelic edge,

(01:01:48):
and the album is being described as a return to form.
I don't know. Two point seven billion streams sounds like
someone's inform anyway. Our music reviewer is Dale Clifford will
be with us just before midday to talk about the album. Next,
Paul Stenhouse is with us. It is to talk tea.
It is twenty four to eleven, putting the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
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Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
The Ministry of Transport Aviation flight times and Productivity report
James meag is, the Associate Minister of Transporting, is whether
us are these numbers acceptable or not?

Speaker 18 (01:02:21):
I want to look at making sure those trends over
time are going downwards and the airlines are focusing on
the areas that are causing issues for travelers, like if
you look at twenty percent cancelation rates for Katia, James,
can I be honest? I mean fitty younger, honestly, Fitty
younger drive I mean, for goodness sake, what do you
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do you honestly expect to hop on a seven three

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Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Take time and Paul Stenhouse joins us. Now, good morning,
good morning. What's up with Instagram? They're no longer square?

Speaker 13 (01:03:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
This is getting a bit much, isn't it. There was
a really good time back when tweets for one hundred
and forty characters and Instagram images were squares and that
was it. You had to be creative within your square,
and that was kind of the beauty of it. And
now there's reels, and there's slide shows, and there's all
sorts of aspect ratios of pictures. Now you might have

(01:03:21):
noticed that they started changing it. They went from squeers
recently the sort of taller images, and they've just announced
that they are going to now let you put up
three by four photos. Now, those are the ones that
you typically used to take on ya Kodak camera, right,
so you now will be able to put them at
that same ratio on Instagram. Now you might be thinking, Paul,

(01:03:43):
that it's just the ratio.

Speaker 16 (01:03:44):
Who cares?

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
Why do I think this is interesting? I have a theory,
and I give you my theory.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Yes please, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
So I live in a pretty touristy area of Brooklyn
in New York. And what's really interesting is that there's
all these tourists that come to New York City with
like point and shoot cameras. And I don't mean fancy
DSLRs with big lenses. I mean like it's like we've
transported ourselves back to two thousand and six and you

(01:04:13):
used to take your digital camera out and you take
photos of you and your friends doing stuff. It seems
to be back. Do you know why they shoot in
four B three? And I think that's the reason why
Instagram is doing this. I think there's a resurgence of
the point and shoot camera taking place right now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
There is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
My sixteen year old daughter has gone around our house
and gone through all the drawers and found all of
our old cameras, which then require us to sort of
find batteries or you know, reach charges and then but no,
but that's a nightmare because then you've got to find
the cable that you know fits thanks to the computer,
or you have to find something that the card can
go in. And I'm like, can you just do this
on your phone? She's like, no, I really need to

(01:04:51):
use this. I want to use this handheld old camera.

Speaker 13 (01:04:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
So I was at dinner last week and I'm not
kidding the table both in front of us and behind us,
we're both taking food photos with appointment shoot. And I'll
say what again right now? But you know, we've got
AI on one hand, and then we've got old school technology.
And maybe that's the reason maybe the kids are rebelling.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, they don't want to make it easy. They don't
want to take a phone that, you know, take a
photo on their phone that they can immediately post. Maybe
they like this process of having to you know. But
I get into something. I don't know, I don't know what.
I'd sort of looked at my daughter and just went
with it. But I didn't actually say to her whine
because I just really liked the photos. I'm leaving it
to it. But yeah, I think you've hit the nail
on the head there. Hey, I'm a little bit concerned.

(01:05:35):
About Gmail and how it's going to start automatically summarizing emails.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Yes, and it's coming. They're slowly rolling this out over
two weeks. I mean Google has spent I don't know
now how many millions of dollars on Gemini, which is
the AI fancy thing, and so they obviously trying to
get people to use it and try to make it
useful for people so they feel like they, you know,
they're getting some value out of it, because you're paying

(01:06:03):
for it if you use Google for your work email
and call and all that type of thing now, and
so like it or not, Google is going to start
looking at complex emails, is how they call it. So
I guess emails with lots of replies and at the
top of the email, it's going to start summarizing that effectively,

(01:06:23):
so you don't have to go and read through all
of the sue and finances this and Joe and Hr
says that or whatever it is, it's just going to
be able to be summarized into one place. And it's
currently something you can do manually. But again, here's the
interesting part. They're forcing it now to happen, and it's
just going to appear and they obviously have so many customers.

(01:06:44):
It takes a while to roll these things out, so
it will happen. It'll be on your mobile phone on
the Gmail app if you use that for work, and
it's going to be rolling out over these next two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Does this mean that you're going to need to be
a little bit more to the point and not nuanced
to know emails?

Speaker 13 (01:06:59):
The opposite. It's going to do it for you, So
you can just you can.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
You should open up your voice transcript and just like
talk into your phone and give it three hundred words pontificating,
and it's going to.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Sort it out for me.

Speaker 13 (01:07:11):
It's going to do your it's going to do your
colleagues of favor.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
He's oping. Thank you so much, Paul. Nice to catch up.
It is seventeen two eleven. Up next, We've got to
love you, little Merlow for you. You're with the News
Talks EB.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Good to have you with us. Look, we're having a
lot of texts when people say, what were Tara's TV
shows that she spoke about. Department Q on Netflix, the
Scottish crime thriller The Better Sister is on Prime Video
with Jessica Bielle and Elizabeth Banks. And then the comedy
she mentioned is brask and that is on Netflix. I
know you've got a long weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Heads.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
People are preparing their television viewing right now, though, it
is time to talk wine, and our wine expert Cameron
Douglas is with us.

Speaker 19 (01:08:02):
Good morning Cameron, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Okay, so are you the kind of person who sort
of changes wine with the season, Like we're getting into winter,
so you're heading into to a Merlow or red or
actually do you just drink at any time of the year.

Speaker 19 (01:08:17):
Absolutely change my drinking choices when the cuisine that we
have available to us changes as well. And Merlow is
such a great option because it's one of those catch
all wines that can go with everything from chicken soup
to chicken baladine, to a piece of steak or even
a vegetarian lasagna. You know, it's it's a wine that

(01:08:39):
just weaves its fruit pleasures in amongst all the textures
of food. So seamlessly well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Tell us about the Haha Merlow twenty twenty three from
hawks Bay.

Speaker 19 (01:08:51):
The Haha Merlow, by the way, haha in today o
Maori means catch your breath. So if you're running to
the liquor store today just to find a bottle of wine,
the haha labels really does stick out quite easily on
the shop shelves for you. So, wine that's grown and
vinified in hawks Bay, and it's one of those expressions

(01:09:14):
being sub twenty dollars has text all the boxes in
terms of fruit, you know, all that plumminess and the
plushness of texture with softer tannins and more medium style acidity.
So it has the ability to tease the palate with
texture and flavor and sort of buddy up quite nicely

(01:09:34):
or cuddle up nicely to food. So it's a very
well made wine and with it gives you more bang
for your buck.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
And twenty twenty three is twenty twenty five the year
to drink it.

Speaker 19 (01:09:47):
I you know what I would say, So you know
it's it's on the shelves now and it's ready to go,
and it's done all its aging in bottle in the
cellar for the Haha Wine Company. So it's really grab
unscrew that screw cat and off you go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Twenty twenty three was a pretty challenging year in the
North Island. Was challenged with a lot of wind and rain.
Of course, being in the Hawk's Bay, I'm sure that
a lot of the wine makers had very difficult times.

Speaker 19 (01:10:19):
How is that all recovering, Well, you're quite right. Hawk's
Bay did get a lot more rain and wind and
weather impacts like Dismond did throughout that growing season. Are
they recovering.

Speaker 8 (01:10:32):
Yes.

Speaker 19 (01:10:32):
Vines have this remarkable ability to have a recovery time,
meaning that the following year they're relaxing back into a
typical season, and then twenty twenty five has come along
and delivered us something special. There are pockets of land
and Hawk's Bay that haven't recovered. Some of the other
crops that are grown down there, like apple orchards, some

(01:10:54):
of them will never come back again. But vineyards have
a wonderful ability or vines have a wonderful ability to
recover if you give them the chance and you look
after the soil, which is what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
O Cameron. So if we were going to have the
perfect meal to enjoy our haha, merlow Worth, what would
you recommend?

Speaker 19 (01:11:13):
Well, like I said at the beginning, it can go
with everything from soup to meat to vegetarian dishes. But
what I've suggesting that you think about which a lot
of households have, and that is chicken. And if you
grab a chicken breast, a leg and ballatine, that meaning
that you're pulling the bone out and you're putting something
inside and rolling it up. I'm suggesting spinach or sorry,

(01:11:38):
that chicken leg ballatined with spinach, lentils and prunes, and
you roll that up, tied up if you like, and
then bake it in the oven. If you're not a
big fan of lentils, put them on the side instead.
If you're not a big fan of prunes, substituted out
with dates or raisins or even dried apricots. And what
that does is it gives you your head of protein

(01:12:00):
from the chicken, but a lot of fruity undertones and
earthy undertones that work remarkably well with one like the haha, merlo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
It sounds delicious. Cameraon you a bit of a chef?

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Are you?

Speaker 19 (01:12:11):
I used to be? Actually, once upon a time first
career in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Yeah, okay, that'll makes sense then, because I was going
this is this is sounding very sophisticated, this meal.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Thank you so much, camera. Nice to talk to you.
It is a ten to eleven year with news talks, EB.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Gardening with still chaf free, autumn upgrades on Still's best sellers.

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Speaker 11 (01:12:32):
Good morning, A very good morning to you, Francesca. How
are you going.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
I'm really good, Thank you. I love your topic today.
You're just going to talk about you know, as we're
heading to the shortest day of the year, we can
just put a little bit of color and liven up
the garden a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:12:48):
I think. I think people don't always think about that.
They got, oh it's winter or whatever, which is not
until it's any first of may or June, of course,
but that's another story. But no, the point is that
I always love going to the botanic gardens or actually
just walking around my garden because my Julie is a

(01:13:09):
bit of a gardener and she has all sorts of
lovely stuff there that is actually flowering now, like such
as I'll give you an example, three dahlias.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Do you know three daily Dahl.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
They go, they go tall, don't.

Speaker 11 (01:13:25):
They absolutely like four or five meters and then against
the blue sky, that exactly against the blue sky that
we have at the moment in Canterbury, it looks gorgeous.
It's that pinky, pinky color and it is absolutely stunning.
And you know what, this is the thing. You don't
really need to do much with them. You can prune
them if you like. They'll grow back up to the

(01:13:47):
same height next year, no hassles at all. So that's
I think that's that's one of my favorites too. Nereenes
is another one. Julie has a shiver't load of neurenes
in the garden, bright pink. It's well, you know, I'm
not pink, is not me really my color, but boy,
it is spectacular. It's beautiful. It's really nice. And here

(01:14:09):
in the porthills where we don't have frost that often
or actually at all, almost and you can grow these
things still at least May June July no problem. And
after that, and especially when it's not too wet, you
can then transplant them and deal with them what you like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
And they're not so easy, they're not too fussy about
your soil quality either, are they No.

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
They have the crappiest soils in the world as long
as it drains. This is amazing. So and they've got
selvia that is a Mexican bush, says Salvia leucantha, and
that really works well in the sun as well, and
it flowers up to a meter high. It's beautiful. But
here comes the thing. There are still bumblebees pollinating those flowers.

(01:14:53):
And there are not one or two, there are dozens
of them. And to me that shows you that that
means those bumblebees will be fine for next year when
they come out as fertilized queens.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Is that a safe? Isn't cooking or not?

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:15:08):
No, not a self d No, No, you don't no, no, no,
I don't think you would keep that. It might have
a nice smell, I suppose, and you might be able
to use it as a bit of an yeah, a
bit of an on flavor, but I'm not one hundred
percent sure. I wouldn't do it until you've worked it out.
I don't know, Okay, I don't think so. Smoke bushes

(01:15:28):
this is another one that's actually I've just been reading
up on that. That's something that they've used for a
long long time in gardens, and there are so many
different species. We've got the purple range like the royal
purple and grace, but there's now also lime green ones
and this is the time when they leave. They're not

(01:15:49):
kind of falling off yet, but they are doing these
autumn color gigs and they will be like that color
for another at least two months. So that is really
really nice to have in the boott at the bottom
of your garden as well. And yeah, and then let's
go to some trees by the way, liquid amber, you
know that one, Yes, yeah, always good autumn leaves, isn't that.

(01:16:15):
And they take their time to do it, which is
really cool. And I'm using it especially with birds around
lots of food under the leaves that falling. So when
I do bird bending, like what I'm doing right now
with some guys that i'm teaching, you'll find that if
those leaves fall on the ground, underneath those leaves, you

(01:16:35):
will find all the food that birds need and it
is lovely and it is colorful. And then finally that
eucalyptus you've seen that picture there, Yes, beautiful, yeah, yeah,
not only that it has in the summertime. It's got
these amazing gum emperor moth caterpillars four inches long, violent

(01:16:56):
green with red and orange dots and blue spatters and
prickly things on their back. Just amazing. But now Albert
Dewey kaka everything in the neighborhood comes and gets the
eucalyptus flowers. Now you wake up for that, wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I certainly would thank you so much. Rude, some lovely
ideas there. Nice to talk to you. We're going to
finish the hour with a little bit of Lord. This
is the song that she did with Charlie Xox Girls.
So confusing and of course this one single of the
Year this week at Alterra Music Awards. Lord released new

(01:17:35):
Music Man of the Year this week as well, and
she did also say that yeah, of course I'll be
back to do a New Zealand tour. Good News Good,
keep her all right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Saturday Mornings with Francesca rudgn infanjac Day keeping the conversation
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Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Good Morning. Good to have you with us. It is
seven past eleven here on News Talks I'm Francisco bud
Can filling in for Jack Tame. Hey a quick congratulations
to a Canterbury school. Left Field School came up with
this excellent fundraising idea. You know how some parents raise
an eyebrow that we go on about the importance of
teaching good nutritional habits to our kids and then we
let them sell chocolate to raise money for the school. Well,

(01:18:59):
left Field, along with HOCKEYITECA based Westland Milk Products, have
got a partnership going and the school is selling butter.
They are selling west Gold butter products salted and unsulted
four bucks for a two hundred and fifty grand block.
You can buy a box of forty packs if you like.
It's gonna cost you one hundred and sixty bucks. But
that's a pretty good price. It's a competitive price out there.

(01:19:22):
The butter is expensive at the moment now. The school principal,
Rob Kevinagho, said the response to the fundraiser from the
school community has been pretty overwhelming. To be fair, he said,
I must admit I'm kind of surprised. I think I
wasn't quite aware of what a popular commodity butter is
in this d and age. Someone doesn't do the household chopping.
But look, two birds with one stone there providing the

(01:19:45):
public with a commodity, it wants it a decent price,
not flogging the chocolate and raising money to help families
with the base six when it comes to getting kids
to school.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
So nice work, Francesca.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
The Department of Conservation is currently asking for public feedback
on its Predator Free twenty fifty strategy. One of the
big questions they ask is whether feral cats should be
added to the target species list along with you know,
eurratzy stotesy possums and things. And this is something that
Predator Free New Zealand Trust is really passionate about and
joining me now is their chief executive, Jesse Morgan. Good morning,

(01:20:20):
Jesse morning.

Speaker 10 (01:20:21):
Francesca.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Hey, Yeah, how many feral cats are there out there?

Speaker 10 (01:20:26):
Well, we actually don't know, which is part of the problem,
but estimates are between two and a half million and
fourteen million, so there's a lot. There's a huge number
of cats in our native bush and our forests that
we don't even really see or know about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Potentially fourteen million.

Speaker 10 (01:20:43):
Crazy, isn't it? Like so many?

Speaker 13 (01:20:45):
We also.

Speaker 10 (01:20:48):
This number of owned cats in the world, so per
household in the world, so we have about to one
point two million owned cats as well to add to that.
But yeah, the feral cat numbers are rageous, really, and
we don't we don't really have a good handle on
the number of cats that are there, but we know
people that are spending time working in the bush. They

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all tell us they just see them everywhere or on
their game cameras and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
So once upon a time we used to say there
were more sheep in New Zealand than there were New Zealanders.
So we'll be saying they're all feral cats in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (01:21:24):
We're heading that way definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
So why are they not on the Predator Free twenty
fifty target species list already?

Speaker 10 (01:21:31):
Well, when the goal was initially announced in twenty sixteen,
I think that New Zealand as a country wasn't really
ready for it. We hadn't really had the conversation and
we weren't aware of the demage that feral cats were
doing to our native species. But that perception has changed
in the last kind of ten years. It's hugely shifted
and people really understand that feral cats are having a

(01:21:54):
massive impact on our native species, and so there's a
willingness now in awareness and a public wants this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
What I didn't realize is that these cats not keeping
the rats and mice and check as you might expect
them to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
No, they just can't of them.

Speaker 10 (01:22:15):
And the rats can bring quickly that we can't keep
up with them. It's the same as rabbits. You know,
the feral cats aren't keeping on top of rat numbers either. Actually,
what happens is a number of rats and mice and
rabbits increase the feral cat numbers because there's more food
out there. So yeah, so they can't you know that

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myth I guess that we grew up with that will
have a barm cat and that will keep our mice
and rats at bait, isn't isn't true. We've got really
good traps and other tools to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Now, what kind of damage are they doing?

Speaker 10 (01:22:49):
They well, they're an apex predator in New Zealand and
so nothing else predates on them. So unless humans control them,
nothing else controls their number. But we know that they
are found from the you know, from all the way
up to our alpine zones, and they hunt for fun.
They don't just hunt for hunger and so they they're

(01:23:12):
huge impact our native species duck ya. So of the
of the the Nelson Lakes, fifty percent were done by
feral cats, the other fifty percent by stouts. Last year,
one cat destroyed a whole colony of endangered urn nests
on a braided river down on Canterbury. And they eat lizards,

(01:23:36):
they eat bats. There's this famous story of them of
one cat clearing out a whole roost of bats outside Oakerney.
I think it was about one hundred and ten bats
within a week and the cat just kept going back
and eating the rats, the bats, sorry, every night until
they were gone.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Okay, So clearly it's going to make a difference if
we add them to the list and humanely remove.

Speaker 10 (01:23:58):
Them, yes, will. And by not adding them now, we
won't be able to add them to twenty thirty. And
so what that means is we're behind the eight ball
on the predative free mission, but we're then limiting kind
of funding, research, control work in the policy developed development

(01:24:18):
that's needed for us to eradicate feral cats across New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Okay, So Jesse doc is currently consulting on a strategy.
How can people contribute and have essay.

Speaker 10 (01:24:29):
Yeah, they can either have this save through the doc
website or we've created a quick submit form on our
own website that's under predative Free in z dot org
forward slash submit and so they can go in there
and write their thoughts on adding feral cats to the list.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
If we take a look just in general at this
mission to be predator free in twenty fifty, how are
we doing.

Speaker 6 (01:24:55):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:24:56):
We're doing pretty well. I mean if you think about
when we announce this goal, we had no idea on
how we were going to do it. It was a
hugely ambitious goal and there was no recipe for us
to follow. So we've had these we've funded these large
landscape scale projects across the country including Predator Free Wellington,

(01:25:16):
Preda Free Cut and Nucky WYHIKEI and they've made these
huge impacts and you know, huge steps forward, I guess
in our learning of how we control predators in different environments,
because if we're going to do this, we can't just
do it on public conservation land. We need to do
it on productive landscapes and urban urban areas. So we

(01:25:38):
need to know how to control predators in these different places.
So that's going pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
And look, Jessie, just sorry. Going back to the feral cats,
I should have asked if we are going to remove
them humanly, what does that mean, because there can be
a little there is often some controversy in the methods
that we use to try and control pests.

Speaker 10 (01:25:56):
Yeah, so well, Actually, one of the first things we'll
need to do if we add feral cats to the
list is make sure we have a clear way of
identifying an owned cat. Feral cats are really different from
our other predators because there also cats are also an
important companion animal in New Zealand. So the first thing
we'll need to do is have mandatory kind of desexing

(01:26:18):
and microchipping so that our owned cats aren't contributing to
the problem and we can identify what as an owned
cat and they won't get caught up. At the moment,
we can't do any cat control near urban areas because
we run that risk of impacting a companion cat, which
we don't want to do. So there are a huge

(01:26:38):
number of tools out there. We know that Doc has
been working on some baits so feral cats for down
on Aucord Islands, so some toxic baits, but there's also
a lot of trapping that goes on. Community groups are
already doing this across the country, but by not having
them on the list, we're limiting the research and development

(01:26:59):
that's going into new tools, and we will need new
tools in different areas.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Wonderful, Thank you so much, Jesse. That was Jesse Morgan,
chief executive, Chief executive of Predator Free New Zealand Trust.
If you want some information, you can head there or
head to the Department of Conservation if you would like
to have your say. It is a sixteen past eleven.
Up next, Mike Yardley takes us whining and dining and
biking through Arrowtown and Gibston.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Travel with Wendy wo Tours Where the world is yours
for now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Mike Yardley is with us to talk travel.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
Good morning, Francisco, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
What a life you live? No, I mean you just
I mean I would never tire of whining, dining and
biking my way around Arrowtown and Gibson got very tiring,
I bet no, because it just the trail network in
the region, it just continues to expand. It kind of

(01:27:57):
doesn't matter how often you've been, there's always somewhere new explore.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Isn't there so true. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 20 (01:28:03):
Over the last twenty years that Queenstown Trails Trust have
developed over two hundred kilometers of tracks, which is just insane.
And just a few weeks ago adding to the arsenal
the Shotover Gorge Trail, which essentially laces up the northern
edge of the Waker Tippoo Basin with the wider trails network.

(01:28:23):
So there are some really cool features on this trail, Francesca.
But I've got the Hugo Tunnel, which is about as
long as a rugby field, and this tunnel was actually
constructed over a century ago to divert the river for
gold mining. So long story short, they've now repurposed this
old tunnel as part of the trail, so you're ripped

(01:28:46):
through this tunnel. Then you've got this brand new Kimmi
Ko Bridge strung across the Shotover Gorge. So as you're
on fought on bike heading over that bridge, you've got
jet boats thundering beneath you. So a cracking new trail
to check out down in the area.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
They send to do this very quickly. Were mind or
have these things been taking you know? I have no
idea Is it just my perception that they're able to
kind of keep creating tracks things relatively swiftly.

Speaker 20 (01:29:15):
Yeah, I agree, absolutely, it must be that Southern can
do grit I think Francesca.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
And they've got some other like.

Speaker 20 (01:29:23):
Really big trails in the works. One of them that
the Covereau Gorge Trail. You know that Lake Dunstan trail
just out of Cromwell, which yes, sort of wrapped around
the cliffs. Yeah, so that is going to be very
very similar to this coverdeau Gorge trail which is currently
been constructed that will be open later in the year,
which will actually link up with the Lake Dunstan Trail,

(01:29:45):
so you can sort of like cantilever above the water for.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
Yeah, two of these trails in due course.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
What's so good about the Lake Hayes Loop.

Speaker 20 (01:29:56):
This is a really good starter, Like for people who
aren't really into adventure biking as such. I love the
Lake Hayes Loop because it's only a and it is
such a scenic medley. You've got all of those soulful
mountain and lake vistas. Then you've got all the intimate
snatches of those swanky, ghazillion dollar trophy homes popping up

(01:30:19):
around the lake and then history there is this really
cool little schist cottage that featured in the Mainland Cheese
ad just back up from the lake on the terrace,
So just a beautiful loop trail and it also connects
with a lot of other trails, so like you can
tootle through the Millbrook area and then onto the glam

(01:30:41):
New Hospo Meccha of Airburn.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
Yes, I've heard a lot about this. What did you
make of this resort style playground?

Speaker 20 (01:30:48):
Been at home, I could have pulled up a chair
and quite happily been contented there for quite some time. Yes,
it really is like a resort. So Chris Meehan is
the guy behind this, and it's this massive family friendly
recinct that opened about eighteen months ago. And the amazing

(01:31:10):
thing is he basically repurposed an historic farm estate, restored
a lot of these old properties on the estate, like
the woolshed which is now the show piece restaurant, the
manure room, a discerning cellar door where you can just
tipple away happily on exceptional Airburn wines.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
And it just continues to evolve.

Speaker 20 (01:31:32):
I was thinking of you, Francesca, because you might have
seen a couple of weeks ago ago, Chris announced that
it will soon house a major two hundred million dollar
film studio hub, so the actors will actually stay on site.
They'll have all the production facilities there and accommodation. So yeah,
it's all happening at Airburn.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yeah, no amazing. Hey what if you're heading sort of
towards our town, where would you recommend to eat?

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:32:00):
I think if you want to enjoy like a dress circle,
perch on the main street in buckingham Stree. In our town,
I reckon one of the best places of all. It's
the Postmaster's Kitchen and Bar. So it's been around a while,
but it's such a primo spot for people watching and
the food is fabulous. You cannot beat their knock with

(01:32:21):
napoli sauce, semi dried tomatoes, kalamata olives, parsley and.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
Ricotta absolutely dilish.

Speaker 20 (01:32:28):
And right across the road the original BNZ building has
just recently been fully restored to its former glory, so
that's now actually part of the Lakes District Museum complex,
so definitely worth checking that out as well.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
On the main street.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Now, look, another area down and that's very popular is
the Gibston Valley, especially with Pinahua fans.

Speaker 20 (01:32:50):
Yeah, and if you have dreams of sleeping amid the
pen and wa baynes, have I got the place for you.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
Francesca Rudkin.

Speaker 20 (01:32:59):
You need, yes, you need to give yourself a little treat,
a serious splurge and book a luxury stay at a
place called Mount Rosa Lodge. The thing about this lodge
is it's perched on the upper slopes of the Gibston Valley.

Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
So it is view issimo.

Speaker 20 (01:33:15):
It is just celestial the views and the owners Michelle
and Stuart, they will treat you royally. The lodge is
set around their own private vineyard and they produce the
most delicious pino Labella Rosa. And the godfather of Gibston
Valley's wine industry, Alan Brady, he still oversees production of
La Bella Rosa, so you know it's going to be good.

(01:33:37):
Mount Rosa Lodge and absolute revelation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Well, I am very familiar with Mount Rosa because I
love the rose. They make a beautiful rose as well,
which they do as a tree like to enjoy very much. Hey,
but it's also a dark sky destination.

Speaker 20 (01:33:53):
Yeah, Jack and I over chatting last week about how
more of these dark sky reserves and sanctuaries and parks
are popping up around New Zealand and it's attracting a
lot of astro tourism interest. The lodge, by the way,
is nestled in the heart of the coward O Gibston
Dark Sky Park and the really cool thing is if
you want to take a tour of the sky on
a story storry night. One of the lodger's neighbors is

(01:34:16):
Professor Bryan Boyle. Now he directed to big professional Observatories
in Australia and he was a key member of the
team responsible for the groundbreaking.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
Discovery of dark energy.

Speaker 20 (01:34:29):
So quite the guy to take a tour of the
cosmos with above Gibston. So that's another draw card to
Mount Rose Lodge.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Oh, I love the way. It just has to be
living next door brilliant the world, isn't it. I love it? Hey,
thank you so much, Mike. I feel like I've been mad.
Quite an adventure this morning. For more tips on whining,
dining and cycling in Aertown and Gibston, Mike's article is
on the website's Newstorkszbark Coto and z Ford Slash Lifestyle,
Ford Slash Travel. It is twenty six past eleven. Jason

(01:35:00):
Pine is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Up next, getting your week and started.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks by
Music Sounds Sounds Bell.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
System. Maybe coming up at mid day to day on
News Talks. There Jason Pine with weekend Sport.

Speaker 16 (01:35:27):
How are you, Jason, I'm great, Francesca. Good to know
that the dedicated workers are working today and uh and
the flash hosts while they you know, they're having the
long weekend off, that the true working bees are here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
I'm just going to stop you. I don't think it's
quite the case this morning for me. I'm filling in
at last not minute. So we'll just we'll just leave that, right,
we won't. We won't throw Jack under the bus and
that he's swamming off having a lovely long weekend. Yeah,
move on, literal we talk from sports. You don't try
and be entertaining. Just do what you're coming to do.

(01:36:03):
You hear about sport, okay, okay, very tense times in
the final round of the Super Rugby and we're not
really going to know until the end of tonight how
it's not gonna unfold. And you know, one of Pacificer
have got a very important game tonight, haven't they They have.

Speaker 16 (01:36:22):
I think most people, unless you're a Blue supporter, I
think most people would love to see more one of
Pacifica make the top six. I just think it's been
a wonderful story this season when you consider they won
a combined seven matches over the last three seasons. They've
won six already this season. If they were to beat
the Hurricanes tonight, they would probably make the top six.

(01:36:43):
There's a set of circumstances under which they could still
miss out, but you know it's you're right. We're down
to the last weekend round sixteen and still a lot
to be decided. Last night the Chiefs secured top spot
without one over the Highlanders in Duned, and the Crusaders
needed a very late try to get up over the
Brumbies and Canberras and they've locked up second spot. The

(01:37:04):
Brumbies are third. So we know that next weekend the Chiefs,
the Crusaders and the Brumbies will host a finals match each.
We just don't know who they'll be playing. The Reds
and the Hurricanes are definitely there to be joined by
one of Muana Pacifica the Blues or even the Waratars,
So you're right. I mean, rather than sort of go
down a rabbit hole and come up with all the
different combinations and permutations which are.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Probably just games, but we should joy the games.

Speaker 16 (01:37:29):
But tonight at sky Stadium, I get the feeling that
there'll be as much support for Mowana Pacifica as there
is for the Hurricanes, because it's the return of the
prodigal son, Ardie Savilla back to Wellington to take on
the Hurricanes for the first time. His brother Julians in
tow as well. And let's not forget the coach of
the side is probably one of the greatest Hurricanes of

(01:37:51):
all time in tana Umaga. There are others in the squad,
a number of them who have played previously for the Hurricanes.
I know there's a big, big contingent of Muana fans
coming tonight at the airport. When the team flew in
yesterday Francisca, there were dozens of not one hundred at
the airport to meet them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
I that doesn't have on when the.

Speaker 16 (01:38:09):
Chiefs fly in or the Islanders, but Moana they're different gravy.
So yeah, looking forward to seeing how that plays out.

Speaker 11 (01:38:14):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Are you be talking some supper rugby on the show
this afternoon.

Speaker 16 (01:38:17):
Absolutely always keen to talk ab bit of rugby, but
also this rather sad state of affairs which rears its
head quite regularly, unfortunate's sideline abuse of referee officials. I'm
not sure if you caught up with this, but hot
off into a carpandy. The provincial Union just north of
Wellington have said, look, if this continues, we're going to
call club rugby off. We're going to call a round
of club rugby off if this abuse of referees does

(01:38:39):
not cease, and so, you know, are they going to
follow through with that threat? Is this message actually going
to reach the right people? How on earth do we
stop the abuse of officials from you know, who are
volunteers at this level, from those on the sideline who
just wander past and start, you know, start throwing shade
at the money.

Speaker 8 (01:38:56):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Is it getting worse or are we just fed up
with it? We finally fed out getting you know, fed
up with it.

Speaker 16 (01:39:02):
Both of those things.

Speaker 11 (01:39:02):
I think.

Speaker 16 (01:39:03):
I think it is getting worse. And it's not just
a rugby problem. It happened and football as well. There
are certain sports that doesn't happen. And I have to say,
I watch a lot of my son play basketball and
it doesn't seem to happen. In basketball. You kind of
sit up there and the you know, you have a
lot of it back from the court. You sit up there,
you watch and if you do feel like throwing the abuse,
the game's moved on. It's so fast moving eachally it's like,

(01:39:23):
well that that's irrelevant now anyway. So I won't say anything,
but I think there are some sports and I think
I think rugby, rugby, league football have got some work
to do in this area. So I want to chat
about that after midday. And also, Gary Stead will not
be black Caps coach any longer. He hasn't got an
interview for the red ball job moving forward, which was
the only one he wanted. So by the sounds of things,

(01:39:43):
New Zealand Cricket aren't going to split this role between formats.
There was a school of thought that they might have
a red ball coach and a white ball coach. Apparently
that's not the case. So Gary Stead's going to leave,
and he'll probably leave with a pretty firm legacy of
success in his seven years as black Caps coach, but
who will take over. We'll have a chat about that
this afternoon too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Lots to cover. Thank you so much, Jason, Jason. We'll
be back at midday with Weekend Sport. If you're a
tennis fan, actually, if you love Rafa, Katherine Rains has
a book for you. Next it is twenty five to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
I'b.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Catherine Rains is with us now to talk books. Good morning, Catherine,
good morning, how are you. I'm really good. Thank you.
I'm very keen to hear your thoughts on Martha's Vineyard,
Beach and Book Club by Martha Hall Kelly. I'm very
fascinated in this part of the world.

Speaker 21 (01:40:38):
Me too, and I think that's that Martha's Vineyard, a
title of it is what really drew me to it.
But it's a historical time slip novel that's set over
two time periods, nineteen forty two and two thousand and six.
In nineteen forty two, it's this portrayal of life on
the home front for a women who live and struggle
on Martha's Vineyard in the early days of World War
two and the book clubs. It's more of a front

(01:40:59):
for their wartime activities and love affairs. And it's mainly
told from the point of view of three different women
in those two different time periods. And in twenty sixteen,
you meet Marie Sherwood who's looking for answers to her
family's history in Martha's Vineyard, and she decides to go
to the island because she really wants to interview this
famous painter about her mother's late her late mother's connection

(01:41:22):
to this island. So when she arrives on the island,
she's under the rus of taking a painting class and
she meets Elizabeth Devereaux, this painter, and she begins talking
to Elizabeth and sharing the story of these two sisters,
the Smith sisters, who lived on the island during World
War Two, and she realizes that she's very connected to
this past. And the story then also focuses on Cadence

(01:41:45):
and Bria Smith, who living with their grandmother on the
island and they're really struggling to keep a roof over
their heads. In forty two, their brother Tom is serving
as an army ranger and has been shipped overseas and
along with Bess Tom's fience. They are carrying on the
family farm and their soldiers arriving on the island, and
there's rumors of spies circulating and this mysterious stranger that
apparently washes a shoe, and their lives take this very

(01:42:08):
unexpected turn, and they create this wartime book club to
give them a sense of escape and connection. But tensions
rise and they risk standing up for what they know
the risks that come up, sorry, the risks that come
with standing up for what you believe in. And the
book intertwines the past and present really well, and Wong
buried secrets become become a parent, and you get very

(01:42:31):
immersed in the story, and Martha Hall Kelly tells an
excellent story that keeps you really wanting to know what
happens next.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
It reminds me a little bit of the Guernsey Literary
and Potato Peel part Society were once again you sort
of had this group hiding behind a society and stead
of doing wartime things. And I've got the right book,
can I?

Speaker 21 (01:42:52):
Yes you have, Yes you have, And yeah, no, they
do feel very alike. Actually, you're very very spot on
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Now, tell me about the Warrior Raphael and Nadal and
His Kingdom of Clay by Christopher Cleary.

Speaker 21 (01:43:04):
So Christopher Clary had already had alreadyritten a book about
Roger Federer, and on this one he obviously talks about
Raphael Nadal. And Nadal is now of course retired from tennis,
and he remains living in Manyoca in Ireland, off the
coast of Spain, which has about fifty thousand people on it,
and it's where he grew up and it's also where
his State of the Tennis Academy is now. And it

(01:43:26):
takes you back to Nadal's childhood and in Spain where
most of the courts are clay, and you know, six
year old Nadal's playing with adults, and you know he
has this top spin forehands that you know were next
level speed, and that's really what sets him apart in
his career. And you know that talks about when he
first played at the French Open in two thousand and

(01:43:48):
five and the record there for men's titles seemed completely
out of reach. Bon Borg had six back in the
early nineties. And it talks a lot about Nadal's winning
attributes and how he always manages to stay in the
moment better than his rivals. And you know, a lot
of this is before the distractions of social media and
cameras and streaming videos and you know, but staying in

(01:44:09):
the moment's always been one of those really hard things
as a tennis player. And he has some interesting routines
when he was out on court, you know, the wild
ticks and the pools and the wipes before you see
and perform between every point, and it's his way, I guess,
of staying in the zone. And one of the points
that kind of stuck with me is he never once
threw a broke his record at his tennis racket in

(01:44:32):
the entire time. And I guess if you don't play tennis,
you don't realize the frustration that can sometimes come along.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
But really wants very impressive considering the level he was playing. Cain,
do you need to love tennis to enjoy this book?

Speaker 21 (01:44:45):
I don't think you need to be a lover of tennis.
I think I mean, obviously you need to be interested
in sports. But you know, it talks about his competitive
business and how you know, playing every point for him
was like match point, and you know that real doggedness
and determination and you know, his uncle that was his coach,
and you know that volume and intensity with what he

(01:45:05):
plays for in that ability to outlast his opponents and
a record fourteen wins on will Champ. You know fourteen
clay caught tournaments. I mean that is that is amazing
in any sport, that he managed to reach that pinnacle
that many times.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Catherine rains, thank you so much for your time this morning.
Really appreciate it. The two books that Catherine spoke about
Martha's Vineyard, Beach and Book Club by Martha Hall Kelly,
and also The Warrior Rafael Nadal and His Kingdom of
Clay by Christopher Cleary. Right this week, Miley Cyrus released
her ninth album, Not Bad for thirty two. It's called
Something Beautiful. It's been described as a returned form, but

(01:45:42):
I want to know what Estelle Clifford thinks of it.
So Miley and Estelle are next. It's seventeen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to Know.
Saturday Mornings with Francesca Rudkin in for Jack Day and
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Speaker 17 (01:46:00):
Bean the Future, Getside, Show Me, Are You Love Me
tomorrows and comment for sure, let's pretend let's not the
end of the World.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
This is End of the World by Miley Cyrus off
her ninth album, Something Beautiful. And to talk us through
the album, I'm joined by A Style Clifford Good Morning.

Speaker 22 (01:46:30):
A Steale Morning, Yes, soaking up the Miley vibe this weekend.
That is the radio friendly song that's on this album,
End of the World. She had wanted to make an
album that was entirely about how sometimes the terrible things
that happen in life and the world still have a
beauty to them. So that's where that song is kind
of like sitting us and it's got that pop disco

(01:46:52):
thing that I mean, everyone's kind of embraced that over
the last couple of years. So no surprises really that
Miley has also given us one of those kind of
bangers and midway on the album where it just all
turns into I think she just wants us to dance.
Just get up and dance the best we can. Something
that I think you'll love about this album and Francesca
is that there's also a pop opera film to come.

Speaker 10 (01:47:13):
Out in mid June.

Speaker 22 (01:47:16):
What she says is inspired and I know you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Lie, I'm having Jennifer Lopez. I'm having Jennifer Lopez moments.

Speaker 22 (01:47:21):
Yes, So I'm hoping it's not as self indulgent as that,
but I can't help thinking it might be. She has
been inspired by Pink Floyd's The War, and you know,
I mean, will it have the same legacy? I dare
say it won't. It's meant to be just it's gonna
have more fashioned flair.

Speaker 19 (01:47:41):
And to me, the.

Speaker 22 (01:47:42):
Clips that she's she had to tease it kind of
does look like a whole lot of music videos put together.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Okay, So I'm I've been I've read things, and I've
heard it's a concept album. It's experimental, it's like adelic,
but I'm just hearing good old Miley pop here.

Speaker 22 (01:47:56):
Well that's the thing. When you listen to that song,
you're like, but it's pop disco and there's sin and
there's like a sort of an aba kind of harmony,
and you know when they go slightly minor key and
it makes your skin go a little tingly and you're like, oh,
that's kind of fun. I can sing the harmony to that.
There's definitely lots of that and and that's the thing
she's spoken up this album to be like it definitely
is genre bending and that she doesn't just sit there.

(01:48:18):
So there's definitely some other stuff, Like there is some psychedella,
there's some there's some house. Sometimes you're gonna hear this
full on saxophone intro and then you've got strings and orchestra,
but then you're back to the synth kind of vibe.
And then there's another song where she actually almost tries
out some Lana del Ray sort of styles where her
vocals don't overpower the song. So that's kind of different

(01:48:40):
from Miley because I think we're used to her doing
those very big vocal builds. But I wouldn't say that
it's off the chain psychedelic. She wanted it to be
that she's taken you somewhere and you can vibrate at
a higher level.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Did you vibrate the stelle?

Speaker 22 (01:48:58):
I don't know that I did, And it did take
me a few listens to be like, what is going
on here? I like, well, maybe after a few listens,
I think, like some are saying, it's like a really
concise album, and I'm like, what, where's the Like, there's
not there's not continuity, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:49:15):
Do you know?

Speaker 22 (01:49:15):
Also she's put interludes in, like there's little, full on
loud music interludes. And to me, that's a bit where
you get costume changes done when you're doing a live show.
It almost plays out like song for song, how a
live show would flow. So maybe that's what it is, like,
maybe that is interesting the whole concept of it that
this is because I'm like, one of those interludes, we

(01:49:35):
don't almost need them, but that's where you would go
get your costume change. So that's that's for me. Where
that kind of was a little thing she did in
Harpers Bizarre was that the songs, whether about distruction or
heartbreak or death, they're presented in a way that's beautiful
because the nastiest times of our life do point to
a beauty and I think maybe hearing that helps you

(01:49:57):
get through the songs. There's heats of catchy stuff like
she's still real clever right, Like she's a very good
song and there's something about her it just draws me in.
And when I physically watch her, I find it quite
mesmerizing just how she presents herself in the confidence that
she's coming out with in this album. I mean, that's
to be admired, and I think that's awesome, and there's

(01:50:19):
some real strutting stuff going on in here, and you
just have to go through it a couple of times
to go, you know, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Not a bad thing, Estelle, that's not a bad thing
that we have to work a little bit to kind
of find the gems and find the moments in an
album when it's all presented to you, you know that
three or four listens later, there's half that you're not
going to want to listen to again.

Speaker 22 (01:50:40):
And maybe that is the magic and cleverness of what
this album is, where you'll go, oh, I thought I
didn't really like that. But but for me, like there's
some at the start where I'm like, oh, yeah, it's okay,
but I've gone back a couple more times and gone, oh,
you know what, this is kind of growing on me now.
And I think sometimes it's a lyric that will suddenly
stand out, or sometimes you're like, oh, that's a clever
little music but in the background, or a clever use

(01:51:02):
of some of the drums and synths to drive you through.
But I would definitely say it still more leads. You
know this whole pop opera kind of thing, which still
has that very discoie vibe to me. That's where I
kind of think that it is. There's a doet that
she does with Brittany Howard, who now I can't think
except for Filmer the Unicorn, but she's from Alabama shakes

(01:51:26):
there we go.

Speaker 5 (01:51:27):
I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
I'm glad you do because I had no idea where
we're going. There.

Speaker 22 (01:51:31):
She does this real cool voice stuff through one of
the songs, and it's really good. There's also a song
every Girl You've Ever Loved And You're going to play
some of that out of here. It features Naomi Campbell,
and so I was a little bit scared that Miomi
Campbell was doing some singing, but actually she's doing this
really hypnotic rhythm type almost poetic vocal stuff just speaking.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
I thought you were going to say rap for a minute, Oh,
I got yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:51:58):
I mean I had all sorts of things going on
in my head before I got to that song. But
it's her beautiful English accent sort of basically commanding us
to strike some poss I.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
Think, release think. I think she has sung before she has.

Speaker 22 (01:52:13):
No, you don't you don't need to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Okay, all right, I won't yeah, yeah, just.

Speaker 22 (01:52:18):
Enjoy this for what it is and then the music
video that will go with it, where it is exactly this.
It's like a showdown of Naomi Campbell and Miley Cyrus
on a catwalk and.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Leather bring on yep, yeah yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:52:29):
And you know, if you want to try some catwalk
stuff and get a bit fired up to do some
strutting this week, their energy is going to be in
that song.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
So yeah, never know when you need a strutch. I
love it, a Stelle, thank you so much. I hang
on rating would.

Speaker 22 (01:52:44):
Yeah, okay, good luck with the Arthouse film when it
comes out June. Stylistic Fashion. Sure, let's go there. I
think definitely listen to this for interest's sake. And it's
a seven out of.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Ten lovely, thank you so much, Estelle. I think that
sounds like a fair rating for what Estelle was talking
about there. Look, I'm a bit like Estelle. I don't
mind Miley Cyrus. I think she's got a really great voice,
interesting voice, she can write a banger, and I'm always
interested to hear what she has to say, so I'll
give it. I'll give it a Well, we're going to
play some more music for you from Miley Cyrus after

(01:53:17):
the break. It is eight to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Francesca Rudkin inf Jack Team and be pure quality supplements
for essential energy news talks at b OH.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
The film that I was thinking about with Jennifer Lopez
was This is Me Now a love story? Did you
see that? I think was released last year. Anyway, don't
put that on your list for King's Birthday weekend because
both Tara and Carl today on the show have given
you some great recommendations of things to watch throughout the weekend.
If you need to pop back and have a listen
to anything we've discussed today, just got a news talks

(01:53:53):
you'db dot co dot nz and you'll be able to
find Saturday mornings there and all of our interviews and
information and things is there for you. Thank you so
much to Libby for producing the show today. Jason Pine
is up next, a lot to talk about and sport.
I'm going to be back tomorrow. I'm going to be
talking to Mel Parsons on the show. Sort of the

(01:54:13):
end of New Zealand Music Month today, but we're just
going to take it one more day. We've loved having
live music on the show. She is in for a
chat and a song, and we're also going to talk
to Claire Turnbull, who's a nutritionalist. Many of you know her.
She just has such great, practical, realistic information. She has
written a book and she's talking about talked about her
own very complicated, difficult relationship with food that she's had

(01:54:37):
since she was young through to her thirties, and she's
really opened up. It's a really interesting story. So she's
going to be with us to talk about that and
also how we can just sort of, you know, stop
all the nonsense, eat well, and be truly well. So
she's going to be with us on the Sunday session tomorrow,
so look forward to joining us from nine. As we mentioned,
we're going to finish with a little bit more Miley Cyrus.

(01:54:59):
This is every girl you've ever loved. To get your
straton and joy, have a great afternoon. I'll see tomorrow.

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High High High High sighs.

Speaker 12 (01:56:05):
Thie Per.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
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Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
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