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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I wed do Ellen Davies last on the program
thirteen years ago for goodness sake, So a lot of
water under that bridge Jonathan creek Quy made in the
household name. Of course, the stand up started back in
the eighties, so it's coming up forty years now. He's
touring Australia later on this year and we'll talk about
that in his autobiography is just out called White Males
Stand Up. Ellen Davies back. Well, this good morning, Good
morning to you, my little bit of housekeeping. First of all,
(00:22):
I've studied extensively your Australian tour which is coming up.
You realize we are in New Zealand, of course, and
this will make sense eventually. So your Australian tour is
very extensive. And I'm thinking to myself, where are the
New Zealand dates, and Ellen, there are no New Zealand dates.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
The twenty twenty six it's going to be July and
August twenty twenty six on New Zealand tour.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
All fantastic. So you're doing Australia for Christmas and then
you're coming back again.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Exactly that I'm coming over again. I could have done it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I couldn't do it all in one hit, and I
didn't want to do half Australian half in New Zealand,
so it's dedicated time for me in July and August.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fantastic the stand up you're doing, it's well by the
time you get to Australia and eventually US. It's well worked.
It's a good show, it feels good, it's been well received.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah. I worked it out over the last year or
two really, but particularly recently at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival,
and I had a couple of weeks there. I hadn't
done a show there for ten years and I'm going
on tour in the UK started next week, some dates
in Australia and then next year New Zealand and more
(01:35):
UK dates. So yeah, it worked out well. It's up
and running, and much of it it's been functioning in
comedy clubs for a while, but I've tried to make
a more complete show out of it and I appeared
to have gone away with it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You've gone away.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Are you nervous? Do you get nervous because I'll come
to the other part of this, which is for a
stand up comedian, you take large gaps between shows don't you.
You've got so much going on.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, I do get nervous, and that this show's more
personal show, and so dealing with subjects that I hadn't
really faced in the past, and some things from my
childhood that were difficult and what have you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So I've tried. I wasn't sure how that would work, but.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I found that provided you provide enough laughs about erectile dysfunction,
you can talk about almost anything you want. And that
has been my approach, and so far, so good.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Hasn't got easier for you the more successful you've become.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Not really, it doesn't seem to affect that, except I
think it helps with ticket sales if you have a
television profile, definitely.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But the people who come now, they've got a lot
of choice.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
There's a lot of comedians touring, and there are comedians
with much higher TV profiles than.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Me these days. But my audience are loyal and they're
aging with me.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And recently I had a show where someone's phone alarm
went off in their handbag in row to and this
gray head was rammaging around and everyone went quiet, and
I said, is that to remind you to take your medication?
And she said, yes, So it was the biggest laugh
of the night. And then we had to wait for
her to find her pills. That took longer than finding
the phone, but the audience agreed with me.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You've got to take them.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You're going to take them otherwise you'll forget and then
tomorrow you can't have a double dose.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So you know, humor changes.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's what I find I was I was reading your
book and what I like, what I what I sort
of didn't realize having followed you for years. What I
didn't realize is just how much work you've done. You know,
suddenly I'm reading a chapter You're lying on a bit
of nails in New York, and I thought, what the
hell's this about? All the amount of work you've done
is extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Well, it's been over a long time. I mean the
book it's.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Called White Male Stand Up, which is what I started
out as just a stand up comic, and I did
that for five very happy years in the late eighties
early nineties, and from there opportunities started to come because
I always wanted to act, so I got the chance
to audit for Jonathan Creek, I got the chance to
do panel games, and then various The Bed and Nails
(04:06):
thing was a documentary about Houdini that came out of
the blue. I did another documentary about John Lennon. I
got to go to New York. So sometimes things come
along and you can't believe your luck, you know, But
it's spread out, it's spread out over a number of years.
What I found in my in my career is normally
there's five things going on at once or nothing. Now.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Now the reference you reference difficult times in your life, now,
if you haven't read your book, it's more than that,
isn't it? The abuse of your father? I mean it's
a very serious business. And and and the obvious question
is how do you put that into a show and
make people up? I mean, how do you do that?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, it's not easy.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I mean I was abused by my father as a child,
and and I talk about that in my stand up show.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And I and I and I had to say to
the audience.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And you might find out this subject matter uncomfortable, and
you may feel like you're less an audience and more
in a hostage situation.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now, but we are.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
In this area and good to talk about it because
I know a lot of you have had the same experience.
That's my feeling is if generally my oh, my comedy career,
I thought, but if it's happened to me or I'm
thinking of it, it's happened to a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Of the audience as well. Well. That's certainly the case
with bereavement and childhood trauma and difficult things.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So if I talk about some of the other know
about this, I think, if I'm a cake then and
I'm putting the cake on stage, it's a bit more
decorated on stage, but I don't want to leave out
loads of the ingredients.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I want it to be who I am.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And that's been a long journey to get to that,
because that certainly wasn't what I was doing in my twenties.
I was without and out people pleaser, and I was
pretty good at it. I was funny, but it was
very superficial.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Does your cultural standing in Britain make you or did
it make you feel more comfortable to go there and
talk so publicly about it?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Not really. It was so.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
You think you would have done it no matter how
successful you had or had not been.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I think it took me a long time, and I
think it's quite common for men and boys to be
assaulted or abused, or to have some issue up there.
Surprisingly so, and it's very common for men to hang
onto these stories on average twenty five years, and it's
not uncommon for men in their forties and fifties to
(06:21):
tell a loved one or a friend or a therapist
or someone, there's something happened to me when I was
a child, and I've never told anyone, and I think
that that was how I felt, and I really wanted
to get it out of my head and onto the page.
And that's when I wrote my book, Just Ignore Him.
And the new book is a follow on. Really, it's
kind of part two to that book. It takes me
(06:44):
because I imagine for years that the past is behind
you and the futures in front right. You're you're going
somewhere else in life, and you're leaving things behind.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And it takes a while to realize that isn't that
isn't the case.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You're just you're It goes with you and you've got
to face things eventually, and it's good to talk. So
that's it took me a while, and it took me
a while. I didn't even know. Actually I did a
writing course a creative writing course, and I thought I
was going to I started to write about it there,
and I thought it would stay on the course. I
thought i'd get it out of me and i'd get
(07:18):
to a master's degree, which I was very proud of,
and that would be it. And then I thought, actually,
I'm onto something. I started to write some chapters and
it became a book later.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, because on the writer's course, you were submitting your
work anonymously, right.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Initially, Yeah, exactly that. And even then, even I was
fifty years old and I was worried about revealing my
story about my father. So and I've certainly never talked
about it in stand up, but I found a way
to incorporate it in the show.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I found a way to.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Take the audience there for a little bit, bring them back,
keep the laughs going, but give her fuller picture of
a person life.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You know, I can't quite just help us out here.
The drinking, and I don't want to turn this into
a therapy session, but the drinking. The difficulties with your marriage.
Was that about fame or what had happened previously, or
a combination of everything.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I think a combination of everything. But I certainly think
that I used drinking to cope with stress and anxiety
at times. And again it's a very common experience that
people can relate to. And I think if you have
a press in need to have a drink, it's probably.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
The time to not have one, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
So nowadays I'm able to manage things much better and
periods of abstinence and managing how much and when, But
it's still always there, and it's an addictive substance, you know.
But I think when I look back, I think, or
when did that kick in? It kicked him when I
was becoming very recognizable where there was a period in
the late nineties where I was very recognizable to a
(09:01):
lot of people, and that really wasn't ready for that
at all. Now there's no kind of training course for
that part.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's a funny thing, isn't it? Because what you one
of the funniest stories is that you were amazed when
you were starting in the eighties how many white blokes
were out there in Britain looking to grab a microphone
as all the comedy clubs opened up. And what's that about?
What is that? An ego thing? Is that?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
How come there are so many poems who just want
to stand on a stage and try and be funny.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And my wife's very funny about this because when she
frequently she didn't know I was a comedian.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
When we met, she was come to a QI recording, and.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Then when I went back to stand up. We've been
together six years and I went back to stand up,
but she came to see a show, which fortunately she
found very funny, and then she said, he's actually quite
disappointed that I hadn't revealed this side of myself before.
Might have been nice around the house to have some
of this sense of humor that you seem to be
keeping under a bushel. But she sometimes you go to
a comedy club and a couple of blokes are going
(10:06):
up and they're not funny, and she'll sit next to
you go, why why they why do they get up?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Who's told them they're funny? Who's given them the wrong
idea so that can happen.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I also think I think it's more common nowadays on
YouTube channels. It's just hundreds and hundreds of these blokes
yelling into their computers and their content is of no interest.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Please stop posting it?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, it worked out okay for you? Are you at
peace now in terms of just the you know, the fame,
the whole, the whole thing. It's out there. You've talked,
you're funny, you're successful. It's all cream on the cake time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
And I think it's just you're never quite right somehow,
if you've had such difficult childhood stuff, it's just it's
just there all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So but I mean, I would say as a generally,
I would.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Say yes, because I'm very I'm very happy in the
family that I've found for myself with Katie and the kids.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I don't know how happy they are.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's a different interview for you.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
We enjoy it, we enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, that's good. How do the kids take I mean,
how much of the kids know in public profile or
you know? What do you tell them?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I think they've got I've got fifteen and fourteen, and
they certainly, as they say, searched me up. But I
haven't shown them my books yet. My daughter's sixteen in December.
She's pretty smart and she's got an idea and she
and I think Katie's spoke to her a bit, but
(11:43):
they're not ready yet to read this stuff. But it's
partly for them that I've written these books. You know,
there's a it's a story of who I am and
where I've come from and what I've done. And when
I'm sort of craggy and need to be shoved around
in a chair, God, will I get to that point,
I would have forgotten it all and they'll be able
(12:05):
to say, send your book, Send your book, you silly
old fool.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Listen, you have a great it's a great book. And
congratulations on and have a great tour of Australia. And
I'm glad. Apart from anything, we got the news that
you're coming to New Zealand, so we'll look forward to
talking to you.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Then maybe see you in person next year.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Fantastic, all right, go well, Ellen David's White Male stand
up and coming to July August next year.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
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