Bayden Barber: Iwi Chairs Forum Spokesperson on the breakdown in Te Pāti Māori, the expelling of Mariameno Kapa-Kingi and Takuta Ferris

The Iwi Chairs Forum says a breakdown in communication is to blame for tensions boiling over within Te Pāti Māori.  

MPs Mariameno Kapa-Kingi and Takuta Ferris have been expelled from the party. 

They're both remaining defiant and have labelled the process illegitimate. 

Iwi Chairs Forum spokesperson Bayden Barber says he was trying to set up a meeting between the two factions for tomorrow, but that's not going ahead. 

He told Mike Hosking the two sides haven't talked in a month.  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, it's quite the show. The Murray Party. We're expelling
couple King and Paris. Of course they'll become independents. They're
going to fight at whatever that means. Baden Barbara is
the spokesperson for the EECHS Forum and is with us. Baden,
morning to you, Good morning. What your role in this
and what happened yesterday? Is this all part of the
plan or not?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no. We've we were trying
to get to a meeting together on Wednesday actually to
see if we could find a way forward. But this,
you know, this has been a process that's been happening
within the initial council of the Maori Party and then
they've come up with their decision.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
When you say wednesday, you mean tomorrow. Is that still
going ahead? Is there any point?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
No, it's not going ahead. We're going to hold off
on the meeting Tucket and Mediumnal. You know, they've got
things to consider, what their nixt moves are, and yeah,
there was probably not going to be the best time
day that we What can.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
You explain to us in really simple terms when what
does it these two have done specifically?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm not too sure. I'm not too sure that the
grounds is why they've been kicked out of the party.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
See, isn't that the problem? No one seems to know
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, I mean would we at our meeting with the
co leaders. I mean there were some issues there, but
whether or not those specific issues were the reasons why
they were kicked out, yeah, yeah, But yet we've always
identified that as a problem that they're not talking to
each other. They haven't been talking each to each other
for a month now, and so if we could get

(01:39):
them in the room on them and I together have
face to face conversations, you know that that goes a
long way, goes a long way.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
But when they say they're going to fight it, fight
it with who.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well I guess so they'll they'll go back to the
National Council who made the decision and in public case, because.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
That have any standing anywhere in law? Or is this
just a group of people seeing around making a few
decisions and they're just arguing with each other.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well yeah, I think that the party's got its own
constitution and rules, and so you know they're by the
reports they've used the constitutions. Is the reason to to
kind of move them on?

Speaker 1 (02:25):
See the problem I have. I mean, I don't have
a problem because I don't care. But when you talk
about the Maori Party and the EWE Cheers Forum, how
many actual Maori do the do you guys represent? In
other words, you know plenty of Mari you're just getting
on with their life and couldn't give them monkeys about this,
you know, I mean they don't represent Maori them, do they?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Oh? The EUE chairs, so I mean we've got we've
got big ewie small EWE eighty eight in total, I
would say they would represent a big chunk of Mari
that are registered on the EWE enrollment. So yeah, yeah,
it'd be thousands, thousands of Mardi.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
So so what's your hope? Basically they will get on,
get thereack together and stop embarrassing themselves.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well we we we hope that we could find some reconciliation,
knowing that we're a year out from a very important
election and that the Marti Party needs to be organized
in dropping policy at this time not having inviting so,
I mean, we were concerned with the well being and

(03:30):
in the future of our people, and the Marty Party
has a role to play in any government going forward.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Why don't you stand for the New Sounds sensible.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
No, I've got a big I've got a big job
trying to look after my owny. We not to go
and we one hundred thousand people and we've got we've
got a lot of issues that we're trying to expirations
in dreams, we're trying to trying to achieve. But I mean,
the Marti Party got a they've got a really important
role to play in helping EWE achieve EWE explorations and exactly,

(04:00):
and so that's really important, and that's kind of why
was stepped in to try and find a way forward.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, what's your best with it? Biden, appreciate your time,
Biden Barber, who's these spokes erstoned? But the evue cheers
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