November 4, 2024 • 15 mins
Boris Johnson is praising the presidency of his friend and ally Donald Trump.
The former British Prime Minister has spoken exclusively to Newstalk ZB's Mike Hosking on the eve of the US election, as final polling shows key battleground states could still go either way.
Johnson is commending the unpredictability of US democracy, compared with countries like China and Russia.
He says he has a good relationship with Kamala Harris, but he disagrees with the public perception of Trump.
Johnson says the former president was robust on Syria, Iran, and Russia.
He told Hosking that if Trump is a “nutjob”, there is definitely a method to his madness.
Johnson says another Donald Trump presidency could ease the war between Russia and Ukraine.
He says Trump has opposed aid to Ukraine only to separate himself from political opponents like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
If elected, he says Trump would be stern on Putin and wouldn't allow NATO and the United States to be humiliated.
Johnson will be offering more of his insights as the the International Keynote Speaker at a one off “Long Lunch” event in Auckland this December. For more information, click here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We left the Conservatives is basically god inflation under control.
Why when I was plannised two years ago, now more
than two years ago, we beat COVID. Yes, we had
a huge problem with the cost of furlough and we
spent a huge amount of fighting KEVID.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But it is insane at a.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Time when the UK state has already expanded so massively
to be putting up taxes in this way with no
reform to the public sector and no reform to white tall.
They scrapped a plan of ours to cut sixty six
thousand jobs from government. Government has ballooned, and you know,
(00:44):
business is being habited. I just got a message from
a children's clothing business. It's being hammered by these taxes
on employment. It will crush enterprise. It's totally the wrong
way for the country. And you know I shouldn't be
saying that, I actually be, because I should be extolling
the virtues of my country, which I do. I believe
profoundly in my country. But this guy's Starmer and his
(01:07):
left wing crew, they're going in in the wrong direction
and I'm very very sad about it.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Are they doing what you thought they would do or
has the British public beinhoodwinked by this right.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's worse because I honestly thought I thought there was
a chance that he would be another Tony Blair, and
you know, he had people like Mandelson around him and
so on and so forth. But he's way to the
left of Blair and he's doing stuff you know, the
I mean tax rates, well, I'm ashamed to say we're
(01:37):
higher under the Tories than they were under Tony Blair.
The income tax rate for top earners was higher, and
that was I was going to cut it if I
if I'd been allowed to hang on, which is a
cobsolutely great mistake by my party because we you know
what makes me, what drives me nuts about this and
I will be covering this in the Unleashed.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Tour, the Duco event. You know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
When I was kicked out by my poor you know,
nighted colleagues in July of twenty twenty two, whatever the
hell it was, we were only a couple of points
behind Right and this reform, these reform guys, you know
what I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Farage guys, they were on zero. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They then murdered us in the twenty twenty four election.
But when I was in charge, but they were on zero,
we would not have had this starmer nightmare if we'd
if we'd stuck to plan. And I'm very, very sad
about and I'm frothing frankly about the because it's it's
going to take a long time to get them out,
you know, we have to wait at least five years.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And they're they're they're gaining the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now the UK, the UK look at we need to
look at the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Compare the growth rates over the last.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Fifteen years since the crash in the US and the EU.
It's it's shattering. The EU is basically flat. That the
US goes up to a forty five degrees. Fifteen years ago,
the EU and the US were both worth about fourteen
(03:11):
and a half trillion dollars right internal GDP. Fifteen years
later today that the EU is worth about it's got
up about a trilli. It's about fifteen trillion dollars. The
US is twenty six trillion dollars, okay, And it's got
a far smaller population, far smaller population, but it innovates,
(03:32):
it rewards enterprise, it has a low tax environment, it's
in favor of growth. It tries to fix energy problems,
and you know both New Zealand and the UK suffered
from those from the exorbitant cost of energy. But there's
a there's a there's a different there's a there's a
that we need to have a more can do approach
(03:53):
in our country. Listen, I'm giving you far more than
thirty seconds, but I'm pretty I'm pretty worked up about
it right now. We've got we were going in the
wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I just wonder, you know, we've changed our system ippmmp.
Is there something wrong with the way you elect governments?
Because if you look at the percentage of the vote
that Labor got, it wasn't that high, and yet they
won by a landslide. That doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That was it was mad.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean they got they got four million fewer votes
than I did in that my party did in twenty nineteen.
They got ten fewer, a smaller share of the vote.
I mean I got we got forty four percent. They
got thirty four percent. And you're quite right, Mike, they've
got a whacking majority. And yeah, it's it's a it's
(04:39):
a it's a it's a it's a flaw in the system.
But you know, to you what, I'm here in New
York and we're coming to the climax of this, this
US US presidential election, and everybody, I mean, the atmosphere
here is unbelievable. People are going bananas, right, and people
are so entrenched in their in their positions, and you know,
(05:00):
you would turn on Fox and people are raging about,
calmly telling the other guys and they're they're They're all, hey,
here's the wonderful thing.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Here's the wonderful thing. You don't know. I don't know
what is going to happen on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And isn't there's something beautiful about that because majestic, Because
in Russia, in China, in Iran, plenty of other places
around the world, they know what's going to happen in
their elections, and here it is genuinely in the hands
of the American people.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't know about you. I just find that fantastic. Well,
yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean, it is fantastic until I ask you this.
I mean, one of them doesn't have an original idea
and a hiad and the other one's a nut job,
and yet one of them is going to end up
running the most important country in the world. Doesn't it
frighten you?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But you know, it reminds me of the old Martin
Amis line do you remember in Money? Do you ever
read Money by Martin as where he's John's self is
looking at the situation in the West and he says,
you know, my god, look at Washington in London.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He's an actor, she's a chick.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, as though that disqualified either of them from
from doing their from doing their jobs. Actually, you don't
know which human beings are going to turn out to
do extraordinary things for their for their for their.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Country, and you can't. You can't, you can't predict it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And you know, well, I had a good relationship with Carmela.
I thought she she when I met her, she was
very much on top of it. But and you know,
here are all our liberal viewers and listeners may may
freak out, But when I talked to Donald Trump, when
I worked with him, as I did for years and
years on important foreign policy issues whereas Foreign Secretary and
(06:50):
then as Prime Minister, you know, he was pretty gone
good and he was robust, and he was robust on
Syria where he bombed out of Bachel Sad for using
chemical weapons. He was robust on Iran liquid and vaporizing customs,
Solimani and by god, he was a robust on Putin.
(07:11):
Everybody's everybody now obsessed with the kind of you know,
Tucker Carlson Putin fanboy, you know stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
They love him, taking his shirt off.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And always they're always sort of horrible, sort of extreme
admiration for Putin. I don't think that's where Trump is
at all. I may be wrong, but I don't think that's.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Where he is.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He gave the Ukrainians the shoulder or the javelin missiles, right,
which were.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The Democrats didn't do anything like that?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Obama Biden when they when they were running the where
when Putin invaded don Bass and crimea nothing?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And Trump did that. And I'll tell you something, when
when Putin poisoned the those people as innocent people.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
In in Saul's in Wiltshire in our country, remember that
it was Donald Trump massively surprised on the upside by
expelling sixty Russian spies. And look, oh, I'm saying, Mike
is you know, you say he's a nut job and
she has if so, there was definitely a method in
(08:21):
his madness. But I would say is that I see
a world and and you know, this is what I
will be saying at the Ducuo event. I think the
world will be happier and more peaceful for having a
strong America.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But had on a minute, he's not interested in Ukraine,
and no one loves Ukraine outside of Ukraine more than
you do.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I do love Ukraine and so but that's why, that's why.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So maybe I'm speaking with the voice of hope rather
than than than than realism, but I still think I'm realistic,
you know, I get back to my point.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Look at what he did when he was in He
has a he has a base.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Of some of them, some of them pretty extreme on
you know, they like Putin. They think Putin to stand
up family guy with you know, Christian values, I mean,
which the biggest bullshit I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But that's what they think.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
And the Ukrainian's problem from the perspective of Donald Trump
was that all their most passionate supporters in America, Hillary Clinton,
you know, Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Biden or all these they were all the people he
doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So for him, their cause was espoused by his foes,
and that made it difficult for him to be where
I think naturally he would be and where I think
he will be if he were to get it, which
is for a strong West, for standing up to Putin
as he did before, and for not allowing NATO to
(09:54):
be humiliated, not allowing Western democracy and America to be humiliated,
because that's what would happen if they're allowed Pootin to win.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It will be a total humiliation.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
For America, and the consequences will be will play out
for decades to come.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
All Right, Well, they'll type you're right, but say you're
wrong and trumps out and it's left to NATO. Is
NATO and Europe up for Ukraine in a way that
defeats Putin.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I think that you have to recognize, Mike, that NATO
is effectively the vehicle for America for the expression of
American military hegemony in the euro Atlantic area. That's what
NATO is, the supreme allied commander in Europe. The top
military office is always, always, since I had Dwight the Eisenhower,
it's always been held by an American, And that's just that's.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Just the way it it works.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
That the deputy Saccure tends to be a brit I
think always has been a brit But that just is
how it how it works. So the idea of having
an admission into NATO without American consent or without American
you know, enthusiasm, is just is not possible. But I
would say to all our American friends that this is
(11:04):
a massive, massive win for America and a saving in
the long run. You know, the reason we've got this
appalling war, which all the instability, the inflation, the problems
it's caused the world is because of that lack of
clarity in the borders in Europe and because it seemed
to putin that we were willing to acquiesce in him
(11:28):
trying to rebuild the Soviet Empire. And you've got to
get You've got to get Ukraine into NATO now, because
that's the only solution. Why is Hungary and NATO. Why
is Poland in NATO? Why is Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland
in NATO? Because they've all been invaded by Russia.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, I mean, you know him.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And so when Trump says I will in the war, how.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Does he do that?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I think what he does this is no secret. What
he proposes is to ring up the pair of them.
Vladimir Putin and Volodaviian Lensky and say put didn't look
unless you kind of deal, you know, we'll give the
Ukrainians everything they possibly want, and vice versa. He'll ring
(12:11):
z Leedskins say unless you kind of deal, we're going
to cut the funding.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
The problem with that is that it won't work, and
it will you know, the best it can lead to
is a sort of terrible standoff in which Putin retains
the ability to attack Ukraine, and that will be obvious
to Trump.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It will collapse.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
The Ukrainians went accepted, and they won't accept a partition,
and they went they won't accept the loss of so
much of their country, and why should they?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
They will fight on.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I mean, Putin has totally disproved his own thesis about Ukraine.
He set out to show that Ukraine wasn't really a country.
He wrote that crazy essay saying that Ukraine was was
you know, just a sort of a kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Slabic m and a of the of the of the
Russo sphere.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And you know that it was integrally bound up with
with Russia. And he's proved decisively that that's not the case.
The Ukrainians have the fiercest, most passionate nationalism patriotism any
place in the world. And they're gonna win because it's
a war of independence. Now, wars of independence only end
(13:24):
one way. Sooner we get it done, the better.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I hope you're right. Hey, listen, domestically generic or bedknock.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, it's it's absolutely sweet of you to invite me
to a common The best thing I can do is
is stay way, way out of that one. But whoever,
you know, I'm sure whoever gets it would have bang
up job and whole ko Starletork and you know Starmer
is absolutely plowing this thing right now. As I said
to you at the beginning, you know it's it's it's painful.
(13:55):
You know why the guy takes six hundred pounds from
a from a donut for a pair of spectacles. Now
you don't have spectacles, but I didn't aspecticle. I mean,
how do you spend six thousand, hundred pound a pair
of spectacles because one pound it cost.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
One pound in Tesco and he's look what of the taxes?
But did I mentioned earlier? Think I did? Doesn't need
to do it?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Had on heart? Do you wish you were still there?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Had on Heart whereaf you? Yes, absolutely, I not only
do I wish I was still there. I'm absolutely confident
that things would be much much better if I was.
But that's a you know, I think every every politician
is entitled to that type of vanity and delusion.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
But I genuinely believe it. I really, I think it's
a I look at a lot of this stuff's happening
now and I don't understand what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Listen, if you're as entertaining as as you've been. You
know Duco events, Duco. You know Joseph Parker, the boxer,
I think yes, yes, anyway, Joseph Parker is promoted by Duco,
so they're promoting him as a heavyweight. You're a heavy weight.
They know about heavyweights, right, they're putting us in the
ring together. No, I don't think so anyway. Listen, looking
forward to seeing you in the country.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Take care, Longing to see you.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
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Look, I think.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We left the Conservatives is basically god inflation under control.
Why when I was plannised two years ago, now more
than two years ago, we beat COVID. Yes, we had
a huge problem with the cost of furlough and we
spent a huge amount of fighting KEVID.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But it is insane at a.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Time when the UK state has already expanded so massively
to be putting up taxes in this way with no
reform to the public sector and no reform to white tall.
They scrapped a plan of ours to cut sixty six
thousand jobs from government. Government has ballooned, and you know,
(00:44):
business is being habited. I just got a message from
a children's clothing business. It's being hammered by these taxes
on employment. It will crush enterprise. It's totally the wrong
way for the country. And you know I shouldn't be
saying that, I actually be, because I should be extolling
the virtues of my country, which I do. I believe
profoundly in my country. But this guy's Starmer and his
(01:07):
left wing crew, they're going in in the wrong direction
and I'm very very sad about it.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Are they doing what you thought they would do or
has the British public beinhoodwinked by this right.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's worse because I honestly thought I thought there was
a chance that he would be another Tony Blair, and
you know, he had people like Mandelson around him and
so on and so forth. But he's way to the
left of Blair and he's doing stuff you know, the
I mean tax rates, well, I'm ashamed to say we're
(01:37):
higher under the Tories than they were under Tony Blair.
The income tax rate for top earners was higher, and
that was I was going to cut it if I
if I'd been allowed to hang on, which is a
cobsolutely great mistake by my party because we you know
what makes me, what drives me nuts about this and
I will be covering this in the Unleashed.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Tour, the Duco event. You know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
When I was kicked out by my poor you know,
nighted colleagues in July of twenty twenty two, whatever the
hell it was, we were only a couple of points
behind Right and this reform, these reform guys, you know
what I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Farage guys, they were on zero. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They then murdered us in the twenty twenty four election.
But when I was in charge, but they were on zero,
we would not have had this starmer nightmare if we'd
if we'd stuck to plan. And I'm very, very sad
about and I'm frothing frankly about the because it's it's
going to take a long time to get them out,
you know, we have to wait at least five years.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And they're they're they're gaining the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now the UK, the UK look at we need to
look at the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Compare the growth rates over the last.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Fifteen years since the crash in the US and the EU.
It's it's shattering. The EU is basically flat. That the
US goes up to a forty five degrees. Fifteen years ago,
the EU and the US were both worth about fourteen
(03:11):
and a half trillion dollars right internal GDP. Fifteen years
later today that the EU is worth about it's got
up about a trilli. It's about fifteen trillion dollars. The
US is twenty six trillion dollars, okay, And it's got
a far smaller population, far smaller population, but it innovates,
(03:32):
it rewards enterprise, it has a low tax environment, it's
in favor of growth. It tries to fix energy problems,
and you know both New Zealand and the UK suffered
from those from the exorbitant cost of energy. But there's
a there's a there's a different there's a there's a
that we need to have a more can do approach
(03:53):
in our country. Listen, I'm giving you far more than
thirty seconds, but I'm pretty I'm pretty worked up about
it right now. We've got we were going in the
wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I just wonder, you know, we've changed our system ippmmp.
Is there something wrong with the way you elect governments?
Because if you look at the percentage of the vote
that Labor got, it wasn't that high, and yet they
won by a landslide. That doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That was it was mad.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean they got they got four million fewer votes
than I did in that my party did in twenty nineteen.
They got ten fewer, a smaller share of the vote.
I mean I got we got forty four percent. They
got thirty four percent. And you're quite right, Mike, they've
got a whacking majority. And yeah, it's it's a it's
(04:39):
a it's a it's a it's a flaw in the system.
But you know, to you what, I'm here in New
York and we're coming to the climax of this, this
US US presidential election, and everybody, I mean, the atmosphere
here is unbelievable. People are going bananas, right, and people
are so entrenched in their in their positions, and you know,
(05:00):
you would turn on Fox and people are raging about,
calmly telling the other guys and they're they're They're all, hey,
here's the wonderful thing.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Here's the wonderful thing. You don't know. I don't know
what is going to happen on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And isn't there's something beautiful about that because majestic, Because
in Russia, in China, in Iran, plenty of other places
around the world, they know what's going to happen in
their elections, and here it is genuinely in the hands
of the American people.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't know about you. I just find that fantastic. Well,
yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I mean, it is fantastic until I ask you this.
I mean, one of them doesn't have an original idea
and a hiad and the other one's a nut job,
and yet one of them is going to end up
running the most important country in the world. Doesn't it
frighten you?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
But you know, it reminds me of the old Martin
Amis line do you remember in Money? Do you ever
read Money by Martin as where he's John's self is
looking at the situation in the West and he says,
you know, my god, look at Washington in London.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He's an actor, she's a chick.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, as though that disqualified either of them from
from doing their from doing their jobs. Actually, you don't
know which human beings are going to turn out to
do extraordinary things for their for their for their.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Country, and you can't. You can't, you can't predict it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And you know, well, I had a good relationship with Carmela.
I thought she she when I met her, she was
very much on top of it. But and you know,
here are all our liberal viewers and listeners may may
freak out, But when I talked to Donald Trump, when
I worked with him, as I did for years and
years on important foreign policy issues whereas Foreign Secretary and
(06:50):
then as Prime Minister, you know, he was pretty gone
good and he was robust, and he was robust on
Syria where he bombed out of Bachel Sad for using
chemical weapons. He was robust on Iran liquid and vaporizing customs,
Solimani and by god, he was a robust on Putin.
(07:11):
Everybody's everybody now obsessed with the kind of you know,
Tucker Carlson Putin fanboy, you know stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
They love him, taking his shirt off.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And always they're always sort of horrible, sort of extreme
admiration for Putin. I don't think that's where Trump is
at all. I may be wrong, but I don't think that's.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Where he is.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
He gave the Ukrainians the shoulder or the javelin missiles, right,
which were.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The Democrats didn't do anything like that?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Obama Biden when they when they were running the where
when Putin invaded don Bass and crimea nothing?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And Trump did that. And I'll tell you something, when
when Putin poisoned the those people as innocent people.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
In in Saul's in Wiltshire in our country, remember that
it was Donald Trump massively surprised on the upside by
expelling sixty Russian spies. And look, oh, I'm saying, Mike
is you know, you say he's a nut job and
she has if so, there was definitely a method in
(08:21):
his madness. But I would say is that I see
a world and and you know, this is what I
will be saying at the Ducuo event. I think the
world will be happier and more peaceful for having a
strong America.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But had on a minute, he's not interested in Ukraine,
and no one loves Ukraine outside of Ukraine more than
you do.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I do love Ukraine and so but that's why, that's why.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
So maybe I'm speaking with the voice of hope rather
than than than than realism, but I still think I'm realistic,
you know, I get back to my point.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Look at what he did when he was in He
has a he has a base.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Of some of them, some of them pretty extreme on
you know, they like Putin. They think Putin to stand
up family guy with you know, Christian values, I mean,
which the biggest bullshit I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But that's what they think.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
And the Ukrainian's problem from the perspective of Donald Trump
was that all their most passionate supporters in America, Hillary Clinton,
you know, Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Biden or all these they were all the people he
doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So for him, their cause was espoused by his foes,
and that made it difficult for him to be where
I think naturally he would be and where I think
he will be if he were to get it, which
is for a strong West, for standing up to Putin
as he did before, and for not allowing NATO to
(09:54):
be humiliated, not allowing Western democracy and America to be humiliated,
because that's what would happen if they're allowed Pootin to win.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It will be a total humiliation.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
For America, and the consequences will be will play out
for decades to come.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
All Right, Well, they'll type you're right, but say you're
wrong and trumps out and it's left to NATO. Is
NATO and Europe up for Ukraine in a way that
defeats Putin.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I think that you have to recognize, Mike, that NATO
is effectively the vehicle for America for the expression of
American military hegemony in the euro Atlantic area. That's what
NATO is, the supreme allied commander in Europe. The top
military office is always, always, since I had Dwight the Eisenhower,
it's always been held by an American, And that's just that's.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Just the way it it works.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
That the deputy Saccure tends to be a brit I
think always has been a brit But that just is
how it how it works. So the idea of having
an admission into NATO without American consent or without American
you know, enthusiasm, is just is not possible. But I
would say to all our American friends that this is
(11:04):
a massive, massive win for America and a saving in
the long run. You know, the reason we've got this
appalling war, which all the instability, the inflation, the problems
it's caused the world is because of that lack of
clarity in the borders in Europe and because it seemed
to putin that we were willing to acquiesce in him
(11:28):
trying to rebuild the Soviet Empire. And you've got to
get You've got to get Ukraine into NATO now, because
that's the only solution. Why is Hungary and NATO. Why
is Poland in NATO? Why is Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland
in NATO? Because they've all been invaded by Russia.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, I mean, you know him.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And so when Trump says I will in the war, how.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Does he do that?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I think what he does this is no secret. What
he proposes is to ring up the pair of them.
Vladimir Putin and Volodaviian Lensky and say put didn't look
unless you kind of deal, you know, we'll give the
Ukrainians everything they possibly want, and vice versa. He'll ring
(12:11):
z Leedskins say unless you kind of deal, we're going
to cut the funding.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
The problem with that is that it won't work, and
it will you know, the best it can lead to
is a sort of terrible standoff in which Putin retains
the ability to attack Ukraine, and that will be obvious
to Trump.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It will collapse.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
The Ukrainians went accepted, and they won't accept a partition,
and they went they won't accept the loss of so
much of their country, and why should they?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
They will fight on.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I mean, Putin has totally disproved his own thesis about Ukraine.
He set out to show that Ukraine wasn't really a country.
He wrote that crazy essay saying that Ukraine was was
you know, just a sort of a kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Slabic m and a of the of the of the
Russo sphere.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And you know that it was integrally bound up with
with Russia. And he's proved decisively that that's not the case.
The Ukrainians have the fiercest, most passionate nationalism patriotism any
place in the world. And they're gonna win because it's
a war of independence. Now, wars of independence only end
(13:24):
one way. Sooner we get it done, the better.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I hope you're right. Hey, listen, domestically generic or bedknock.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, it's it's absolutely sweet of you to invite me
to a common The best thing I can do is
is stay way, way out of that one. But whoever,
you know, I'm sure whoever gets it would have bang
up job and whole ko Starletork and you know Starmer
is absolutely plowing this thing right now. As I said
to you at the beginning, you know it's it's it's painful.
(13:55):
You know why the guy takes six hundred pounds from
a from a donut for a pair of spectacles. Now
you don't have spectacles, but I didn't aspecticle. I mean,
how do you spend six thousand, hundred pound a pair
of spectacles because one pound it cost.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
One pound in Tesco and he's look what of the taxes?
But did I mentioned earlier? Think I did? Doesn't need
to do it?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Had on heart? Do you wish you were still there?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Had on Heart whereaf you? Yes, absolutely, I not only
do I wish I was still there. I'm absolutely confident
that things would be much much better if I was.
But that's a you know, I think every every politician
is entitled to that type of vanity and delusion.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
But I genuinely believe it. I really, I think it's
a I look at a lot of this stuff's happening
now and I don't understand what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Listen, if you're as entertaining as as you've been. You
know Duco events, Duco. You know Joseph Parker, the boxer,
I think yes, yes, anyway, Joseph Parker is promoted by Duco,
so they're promoting him as a heavyweight. You're a heavy weight.
They know about heavyweights, right, they're putting us in the
ring together. No, I don't think so anyway. Listen, looking
forward to seeing you in the country.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Take care, Longing to see you.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
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