March 9, 2025 • 6 mins
A new set of amendments looks to turbo charge major infrastructure projects.
The Government's proposing changes to the Public Works Act to speed up acquiring land, including premium payments to private landowners.
The Environment Court will be sidelined from the objections process.
Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop told Mike Hosking a lot of these are NZTA roading projects.
He says they don't like taking land, but it's the reality if we want to build infrastructure in this country.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Back to the government's turbo charging, the fast Track scheme,
new set of amendments to the Public Works Act will
speed up things in time and which land and all
those sort of things. Anyway, the Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop
as weather is what's the what's the biggest issue as
far as you're concerned. Is it the dollars? In other words,
the incentives will move the deals faster, or is it
the courts and the councils.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So paying a bit more upfront will massively lower costs
in the long term. So we're offering a fifteen percent
incentive payment. If your government comes along and basically says, look,
we're going to build a road of natural significance here
or another piece of infrastructure listed in the Fast Track Act,
We're going to give you a fifteen percent incentive payment
and then a five percent recognition payment as well. That
(00:38):
will massively lower the cost of doing that infrastructure because
it means we've got the certainty that you can plan
the construction out, you can sequence it properly.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
At the moment. There are a number of examples around
the country.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Just causes huge delays because of the length of time
it takes to acquire the land, and so it's just
another step we're taking to fast infrastructure projects.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
How are you going to smooth it if I end
up dealing with the council, Well, how do you smooth
out their reaction?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
The council reaction?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, so I don't get one reaction in one part
of the country and something completely different in another part.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, I think you can work through that.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I mean, ultimately, much of the projects we're talking about
here and Zealand Transport Agency projects. So this is central
government coming along and saying Lok, we're building a road
of national significance. Here, here's the route. We need your
land and lot. No one to likes taking land. We
don't do it with a great degree of passion. But
the reality is if we want to build stuff in
this country and get those roads going that we need
in public transport projects that we need, it will require
(01:35):
taking land. That's just the simple reality of it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay, is the environment caught completely sidelined. They will not
be in use anymore because of this. In these type
of projects, the.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Environment court will be sidelined when it comes to the
critical infrastructure amendments that we're accelerating.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So there's two things going on here.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're doing a whole review of the Public Works Act
and there's a whole other long bit of process there
that cross Pen's working his way through. That'll probably take
another couple of eighteen months too years, but we're accelerating
these amendments for the Roads of National Significance and public
infrastructure projects as part of fast track. We want to
get this done in the next six months that we
can get on and get some spades in the ground,
(02:12):
a SAP on these and very important projects.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, fantastic. As regards to this Thursday and Friday, Are
you honestly telling me that the whole world is coming
to town to learn about the Linton Military camp, the
christ Church Prison, the way Tackley Court in the Northern Expressway.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
No, they'll be coming to learn about the long term
pipeline of infrastructure projects that New Zealand has, the Roads
of National Significance and other public transport projects we've got,
and the health infrastructure pipeline, the school property pipeline that
we've got, and indeed the private sector developments that are
happening around the country as well. This is not just
about a short term you know, we're going to get
into the market the next year or two and drop
(02:48):
some projects into the market. By the way, dropping four
PPPs into the market's actually quite a lot, all at
the same time or in the same period of time.
But this is about attracting interests for the medium to
long term. We want major players to set up here.
We want new construction companies, we want new global investment companies.
We want them here in New Zealand because our great
weakness as a country as we need more competition in
(03:11):
the construction market here and we need more private investment
and public investment in this country to lift our capital
intensity to go for growth. And that's what Thursday is
all about.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Good.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's just that these
these four projects that have floated to the surface really
don't film me. I mean, the Northern Expressway needs doing,
of course, but I just don't see a lot of
people in Dubai in London going my god, I cannot
wait to get my hands on the white Tackle record.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, there will be other things that you'll hear about
at the summit on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Mic so' hear you're not going to hear.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How are they sexier than the White Tacker record.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think you'll find them fairly attractive. But you just
have to wait and see for Thursday. But look, as
I say, this is about a long term pipeline of projects.
You know, there's going to be we're going to talk
about all the things we want to be doing over
the next ten to twenty years as a country. And
those things don't all happen straight away, right. You don't
have people turn up here and say, oh great, we're
going to get on with this nation shaping project next
year because the last guy spent six years farting around
(04:05):
not consenting anything. So you've got to start somewhere, and
we're getting on with it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay. So speaking of the last guy farting around doing nothing,
hip can speak on Friday that that Vibey head of
cooperation and not just killing everything for the sake of it.
Did you take that on board or you think he's
full of it?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well, let's wait and see.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I mean, the good news is that Labor are sending
representatives to the summit on Thursday Friday, which is good news.
I think they will play a constructive role. I think
everyone is pretty over the kind of you know, in
constant oscillation and the you know, the two and and frying.
When it comes to infrastructure projects, we do need a
long term pipeline. I'm working on that thirty year plan
in order to try and create that. I think it's
(04:43):
an everyone's interest that we do that. So look, we're
prepared to play our part. Labour's history in this area
is not great, to be honest, but we're prepared to
play our part and get on with it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, good, now can we address it long last? I'm
glad to have you on the show. Laundry Gate. Now,
what's happened there?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
If this was my laundry at the what.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was the Olympics?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Because it was just the receipts we were reading the
other day and and no one launders like you.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, all I.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Can say is it was very hot, it was very sweaty,
and Paris is an extremely expensive city to be in.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Okay, so all legit spending didn't bring along friends and family,
and so you justified and it was all above board.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I literally I could even break it down for you.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I literally laundered four pairs of underpens and three T shirts.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We've got apparently we've got some Wellington receipts as well.
You're doing laundry in the capitol.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, definitely not no, not allowed to do laundry in Wellington.
I live in Wellington. You're not allowed to do I
was going to say that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That's that's that's why so many eyebrows around here will being.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
No, no, no, no laundry in Wellington. I literally was
representing the government at the Olympics. Three T shirts and
four underpens done?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
What do you what do you pay for four underpens
in Paris?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well you can see from the receipts quite a lot,
particularly around Olympics time.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Good to talk to you appreciate it. Chris Bishop a
stare of infrastructure and laundry.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Back to the government's turbo charging, the fast Track scheme,
new set of amendments to the Public Works Act will
speed up things in time and which land and all
those sort of things. Anyway, the Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop
as weather is what's the what's the biggest issue as
far as you're concerned. Is it the dollars? In other words,
the incentives will move the deals faster, or is it
the courts and the councils.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So paying a bit more upfront will massively lower costs
in the long term. So we're offering a fifteen percent
incentive payment. If your government comes along and basically says, look,
we're going to build a road of natural significance here
or another piece of infrastructure listed in the Fast Track Act,
We're going to give you a fifteen percent incentive payment
and then a five percent recognition payment as well. That
(00:38):
will massively lower the cost of doing that infrastructure because
it means we've got the certainty that you can plan
the construction out, you can sequence it properly.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
At the moment. There are a number of examples around
the country.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Just causes huge delays because of the length of time
it takes to acquire the land, and so it's just
another step we're taking to fast infrastructure projects.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
How are you going to smooth it if I end
up dealing with the council, Well, how do you smooth
out their reaction?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
The council reaction?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, so I don't get one reaction in one part
of the country and something completely different in another part.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, I think you can work through that.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I mean, ultimately, much of the projects we're talking about
here and Zealand Transport Agency projects. So this is central
government coming along and saying Lok, we're building a road
of national significance. Here, here's the route. We need your
land and lot. No one to likes taking land. We
don't do it with a great degree of passion. But
the reality is if we want to build stuff in
this country and get those roads going that we need
in public transport projects that we need, it will require
(01:35):
taking land. That's just the simple reality of it.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay, is the environment caught completely sidelined. They will not
be in use anymore because of this. In these type
of projects, the.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Environment court will be sidelined when it comes to the
critical infrastructure amendments that we're accelerating.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So there's two things going on here.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We're doing a whole review of the Public Works Act
and there's a whole other long bit of process there
that cross Pen's working his way through. That'll probably take
another couple of eighteen months too years, but we're accelerating
these amendments for the Roads of National Significance and public
infrastructure projects as part of fast track. We want to
get this done in the next six months that we
can get on and get some spades in the ground,
(02:12):
a SAP on these and very important projects.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay, fantastic. As regards to this Thursday and Friday, Are
you honestly telling me that the whole world is coming
to town to learn about the Linton Military camp, the
christ Church Prison, the way Tackley Court in the Northern Expressway.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
No, they'll be coming to learn about the long term
pipeline of infrastructure projects that New Zealand has, the Roads
of National Significance and other public transport projects we've got,
and the health infrastructure pipeline, the school property pipeline that
we've got, and indeed the private sector developments that are
happening around the country as well. This is not just
about a short term you know, we're going to get
into the market the next year or two and drop
(02:48):
some projects into the market. By the way, dropping four
PPPs into the market's actually quite a lot, all at
the same time or in the same period of time.
But this is about attracting interests for the medium to
long term. We want major players to set up here.
We want new construction companies, we want new global investment companies.
We want them here in New Zealand because our great
weakness as a country as we need more competition in
(03:11):
the construction market here and we need more private investment
and public investment in this country to lift our capital
intensity to go for growth. And that's what Thursday is
all about.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Good.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's just that these
these four projects that have floated to the surface really
don't film me. I mean, the Northern Expressway needs doing,
of course, but I just don't see a lot of
people in Dubai in London going my god, I cannot
wait to get my hands on the white Tackle record.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, there will be other things that you'll hear about
at the summit on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Mic so' hear you're not going to hear.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How are they sexier than the White Tacker record.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I think you'll find them fairly attractive. But you just
have to wait and see for Thursday. But look, as
I say, this is about a long term pipeline of projects.
You know, there's going to be we're going to talk
about all the things we want to be doing over
the next ten to twenty years as a country. And
those things don't all happen straight away, right. You don't
have people turn up here and say, oh great, we're
going to get on with this nation shaping project next
year because the last guy spent six years farting around
(04:05):
not consenting anything. So you've got to start somewhere, and
we're getting on with it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay. So speaking of the last guy farting around doing nothing,
hip can speak on Friday that that Vibey head of
cooperation and not just killing everything for the sake of it.
Did you take that on board or you think he's
full of it?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well, let's wait and see.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I mean, the good news is that Labor are sending
representatives to the summit on Thursday Friday, which is good news.
I think they will play a constructive role. I think
everyone is pretty over the kind of you know, in
constant oscillation and the you know, the two and and frying.
When it comes to infrastructure projects, we do need a
long term pipeline. I'm working on that thirty year plan
in order to try and create that. I think it's
(04:43):
an everyone's interest that we do that. So look, we're
prepared to play our part. Labour's history in this area
is not great, to be honest, but we're prepared to
play our part and get on with it.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Okay, good, now can we address it long last? I'm
glad to have you on the show. Laundry Gate. Now,
what's happened there?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
If this was my laundry at the what.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was the Olympics?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Because it was just the receipts we were reading the
other day and and no one launders like you.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, all I.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Can say is it was very hot, it was very sweaty,
and Paris is an extremely expensive city to be in.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Okay, so all legit spending didn't bring along friends and family,
and so you justified and it was all above board.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I literally I could even break it down for you.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I literally laundered four pairs of underpens and three T shirts.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That's about it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We've got apparently we've got some Wellington receipts as well.
You're doing laundry in the capitol.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
No, definitely not no, not allowed to do laundry in Wellington.
I live in Wellington. You're not allowed to do I
was going to say that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That's that's that's why so many eyebrows around here will being.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
No, no, no, no laundry in Wellington. I literally was
representing the government at the Olympics. Three T shirts and
four underpens done?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
What do you what do you pay for four underpens
in Paris?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well you can see from the receipts quite a lot,
particularly around Olympics time.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Good to talk to you appreciate it. Chris Bishop a
stare of infrastructure and laundry.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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