May 18, 2025 • 11 mins
The Prime Minister says his Government is calling out bureaucrats falling foul of the government's expecations.
It comes off the back of Winston Peters expressing his criticism of Māori targeted hires, after a government job was advertised as a “tikanga lead” to promote Māori customs, principles and values in the Māori policing unit.
Luxon discusses whether the reason NZ First is seeking changes to the regulatory standards bill is because they have problems internally.
The Government is officially announcing its budget on Thursday, after a series of pre-budgets announcements have been made, including multi-million-dollar funding to the film industry and urgent care facilities across the country.
Mike Hosking questions where the money’s coming from.
Prime Minster Christopher Luxon and Mike Hosking talk all this and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On a Monday morning, the Prime Ministers in the studio.
Good to see you, Good to see your tea. Now
you won't remember this, and I'm not here to embarrass you,
but Bill's written to me. And Bill and his wife
were celebrating their sixtieth wedding anniversary and they said they
couldn't believe all the cards they got. They got one
from the local MP, personally signed, they got one from you.
Do you remember writing Bill's card?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, I have a system in place for sixtieth wedding,
And how many sixtieth winning anniversary cards would you write?
I don't know any snowed under all? No, No, I
mean there's not that many people that make sixty.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yes, that's what.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm asking, So you do there is a system in
place for system in place for six. And the King
wrote to them, Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Is it nice? Is that lovely?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
If you're going to do sixty years of marriage? I
think that's something we're celebrating.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Couldn't agree more. New Zealand First are seeking changes to
the Regulatory Standards Bill because New Zealand First has got
problems too or not.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, I mean they've got some issues, but that will
be flushed out through a slip committee process. I mean,
if you take a step back, this bill's about making
sure we do decent good law making and more transparency
about bad law making in particular. It's pretty complex legislation,
but like the fast Track bill, and it will benefit
frankly from going through.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Just it's complex.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I heard David Seymour do an interview once on it,
and I was bamboozled by what he's trying to achieve.
But outside of the broad it will be more efficient,
is it, do you understand?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, that's the point is we want to make sure
it doesn't drive increased bureaucracy. It's actually got to be
a much simpler way to say, Look, if you're making
new laws as a minister, you've got to make sure
that it actually does work that you're not and as
a result of the system that checks that, we want
that to.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Be pretty tiptop shaped.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So David's got you know, the idea is more transparency
in the regulations.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But is there an ideological script between Winston and David
on this.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, it's just making sure it's the devil's in the
detail on this one. And it's no different from fast Track.
If you remember how we started that one off and
then we ended up creating panels and a bunch of
different things.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's similar to this one.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, Nick Stewart, who is a financial advisor, I am
reading over the weekend the case for full expensing of
capital expenditure. Having read the article, it does make sense.
Is there any possibility, either in the budget or generally
that we can full expense capital expenditure and therefore drive
the economy.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
We'll talk more about that obviously in the budget in
a few days. There's something in the budget, don't know,
you never know. We'll talk about the budget in a
few days yet. But what I just say is that
that idea is not an unattractive idea because if essentially, Mike,
if you look at the small medium enterprises in New Zealand,
the top ten percent are seven times more productive than
the bottom ten percent, and a lot of it's to
do with their adoption of capital and plant and equipment
(02:28):
and automation and all that good stuff. So I've got
a lot of sympathy for that, but weft wway to
the budget.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So much sympathy we might be able to hear something
on Thursday that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I know you you're so good at this. You're trying
to get a scoop on that, budge, I'm John.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Just please, you're positive about it. Stephen Joyce's Peace in
the Hero all over the weekend. Did you happen to
read that? Okay? So does he have an argument? I'm
not sure he has any He's talking about the productivity
of Fontierra's production side at a time when butter and
et cetera is through the roof. Do we know of
Fonterra are any good at what they do?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Or is it? Oh? I think they're pretty good. I mean,
how do you know that well?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, when I look at their relative global performance,
they've done a very good job, particularly.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
In the last six years or so. Five years or so.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think there was a period in time, frankly where
I think they lost it and lost a lot of
ground against their global competitors. But I just say to you,
when you're offshore, I'm really you know, I think Fontira
has got the right strategy. They're going for high margin products. Yeah,
I was in Korea. They make an ambient whipping cream
sold to Korean bakers. Now everyone listening to that, guys
are whippy do well actually bakers and cakes in career
(03:30):
a freaking big market and actually doing it that way
they get higher margin that comes back to their farmers
than doing consumer goods business, for example. So I think
Fontio has had a really good strategy to enhance margin
so they can get returns back.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To the morification of New Zealand. So the Tea kung
of lead story, this was m FAT. This was Winston
Peter's getting upset about a teacung a league type job.
Let me quote you this his comments. Peter's comments and
subsequent requests to m FAT for a response by political
reporters set off a flurry of emails and messages between
the most c your staff at the agency. I would
have thought they had better things to do with their time.
(04:02):
Be that as it may. Who appeared to be unaware
the job fell foul of Peter's expectations. How does senior
bureaucrats not understand that they're working for a government that
have spoken very clearly on the malorification of this country.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, where we see it, we call it out.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, I mean sleep Well, I mean Onceston's obviously
called it out very strongly, which is important you've seen
it also.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We had a situation with Todeo.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Stop goho signs for example recently as well, and you
know where we see it. We actually we say, look,
that's not appropriate. You know, we don't want we need
the stop go signs to be very unambiguous and very
clearly producing the same thing here. We want everybody in
the public service focused on delivery, focused on results, and
not lots of resources tied up in things that doesn't happening.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
How come it's still happening. How come somebody somewhere goes
I'll tell you what, I'm going to make a Maory
Road sign.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, Well, I mean they're taking the person, aren't they. Well,
there's a I mean we're a new government. We've been
very very but a year and a year and a half,
I get it. But we want to run things differently
from the previous minstration. That's taking some people some time
to understand that. Where where it comes out and they
get it wrong, we're very quick to clamp it down
on it and to say that's got to change. Get
back to what the program is, which is delivery.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Let's get back to the budget without giving it away.
I get all of that the money you announced Nicola
Willis on Friday has hundreds of millions of dollars for
the film industry. Fantastic. You've got money yesterday for Regina.
Where's it all coming from? Well, that'll be revealed on
the budget I know, but give us a c I'll
just say we don't have any money.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, we have said very clearly that we think we
can invest in economic growth, we think we can invest
in health and education. You watch waights, you see the
fiscal plan and it will be all revealed.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
At that point.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's either borrowed or you've got it from somewhere. Which
is it?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, again, I'm not going to get it.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Why can't you give us that part?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Not because we've got to bud it's budget sensitive.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We'll wait for.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What's what's bunget sensitive about something that's broad as we've
got the cash or we're borrowing what.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
As I said to you, it's within our fiscal track
and what we set ourselves up and the rules that
we're trying.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
To do work towards.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It'll be revealed on Thursday. We need to be able
to do it in one comprehensive thing so you can
see the total fiscal picture of what we're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And how we're funding it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
But it seems an extraordinary amount of money.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, well we are.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We're making some serious investments and some key places. Now
you're making investments, but I want to know where you're
getting the dough from and that will be revealed on things,
because if you're borrowing it, I'm not going to be
happy next week. Well that's fine, we'll have that conversation
next week.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We'll we So you are borrowing.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh and I say we're borrowing, but I'm just I'm
not going to give you anything on this.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I know it's going to be a.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Very frustrating interview for your listeners. All right, he's so good,
can I say to all the people listening here? And
he tries to weasel it out of me. But now
we've got to wait to Thursday because I got to
show you the whole financial set in the front.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, So reassure me once again that it will make
sense in a way that perhaps a conservative like me
that doesn't like debt yep, can understand.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So we have a problem with debt. As you well know,
we've had a threefold increase in debt from sixty to
one hundred and eighty billion dollars. The cost on budget
now on the interest build on that a loan's gone
from three to nine billion dollars in rising. It's about
sixty thousand dollars for every house on Zealand twenty two
thousand extra that's been added on to every kiwi and
we've got nothing to show for it, because basically they
(07:14):
debt's good if you're borrowing for productivity enhancing stuff and
well to point to a point, but there's there's good
stuff there in this case, we didn't do that the
last administration rant it up on the credit card and
for daily living expenses. That's that's why we've got nothing
to show with better schools, hospitals or roads. We've got
to change that course. We've got to find a pathway
to get ourselves to a surplus, because that's importance that
(07:35):
we've got future capacity. Should something before New Zealand that
we can deal with that issue. And we've got to
get in shape. And that's why things like the Greens
idea of more taxes, more borroing. You're hearing it from
Thomas Piece over the weekend on I did yeah, nurses. Yeah,
a pay cut, yes, under a Greenness Greens budget. Yeah,
and it's you know, and we've done a lot of
(07:55):
work to actually lift nurse pay. I mean it's one
hundred and twenty six thousand dollars including allowances, equal to
pretty much what they get a New South Wales which
is a lot wealthier. But I mean that was just
an absolute craziness and madness. But actually labors no better.
They want to borrow more, tax more, spend more. You know,
that's exactly where it is. We have to find a
balance responsibly to get the books back in order over
(08:16):
onto a pathway, but also make investments and also continue
to reprioritize and make savings.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Took a couple of quick things out of last week.
Is Jerry brownly letting the House down with that privilegious
committee response that he gave to the House last week.
Everyone gets to speak, everyone gets to have an amendment,
everyone gets to speak to the amendment. I mean, what's
that it's not stalled.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, that's that is that that is actually protocol and
that those are as I understand its standing orders and
rules in the House. The bigger issue is that we
discuss sensitive and difficult and emotional topics and that in
that place, the multi party are not getting penalized for
Wayata and for Harker that happens a lot. They're getting
penalized for breaking the rules, getting out of your seat, gestures,
(08:57):
you know, disrupting a vote, all of that kind of stuff,
and then not engaging with the Privileges Committee. We need
mpece are sent there by the people of New Zealand.
They need to respect the rules of the place because
otherwise it just evolves into absolute chaos. And was last
week and you low, well it wasn't great. I mean
because I don't like it because actually, you know, you
got MPs talking about themselves and parliamentarians talking about themselves,
and actually I try and stay above that fray because
(09:19):
I want to focus on what New Zealand doesn't need
us to do, and at the moment they want us
dealing with growing this economy and getting dealing with the
cost of living.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Explain the logic of this to me. So there's an
article in the paper over the weekend of one roof
there's a penthouse for sale downtown on Auckland for seventeen
million dollars. It's been on the market a few years now.
No one here wants it, clearly, why can't somebody buying it?
Why can't somebody from offshore by it?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well, I mean you know our position on that. I
do not.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The National Party has a strong view that you should
be able to buy.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Have you made any progress with Peters at all on this?
And if you haven't, why don't you call them out?
Well again, we still we still have a conversation going
with it. I know that's not the answer you want
to hear, because you've give me a grief on the
satually every time. But if you're looking to pull every
lever you can to get this economy going, yep, surely
that is a lever you can put one of the levers.
Welcome to New Zealand, have a golden visa. And by
(10:10):
the way, there's a penthouse there for yours for seven
to or for nine million pounds, snap it up.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I think you know we probably got the cap too
low last time when we went to the election campaign
we said it was two million dollars.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think you could lift that, you know, quite reasonably
to five or six.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Have you in your negotiations, sorry, have you in your
negotiations as much. And would you be looking to make
an announcement on this sometimes I'm not sure we will.
We've got we've got a better work to do it.
So you're losing still Peters is beating you up on that. No, No, well,
I mean let's be clear. We've got two issues.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
One is extending the superannuation age sixty seven, which I
think also makes great sense, and that given the key
he's a living longer, but that's not palatable to labor
and all his zeland first, and we've had an issue
with respect to you know, foreign by Abat. I just
think if you're a chief technology officer from San Francisco
and you want to spend some of your months here
in his Zealand because you've got an investment and a
tech company here that's helping Ryland grow, then you should be.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Able to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, you should. Why can't Repeaters understand that he's in
the pope because that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, I don't know. I mean, he's got a long
standing position. He just has been against it. We are
in conversation with him and his office as we've been
doing our proposals to lift the threshold a lot more.
We think that would be important ultimately with someone we.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Got to work through.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, so you don't always get what you want in
a coulish government, right well you would if I was
running it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'd like to see that have a good budget, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
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On a Monday morning, the Prime Ministers in the studio.
Good to see you, Good to see your tea. Now
you won't remember this, and I'm not here to embarrass you,
but Bill's written to me. And Bill and his wife
were celebrating their sixtieth wedding anniversary and they said they
couldn't believe all the cards they got. They got one
from the local MP, personally signed, they got one from you.
Do you remember writing Bill's card?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, I have a system in place for sixtieth wedding,
And how many sixtieth winning anniversary cards would you write?
I don't know any snowed under all? No, No, I
mean there's not that many people that make sixty.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yes, that's what.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm asking, So you do there is a system in
place for system in place for six. And the King
wrote to them, Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Is it nice? Is that lovely?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
If you're going to do sixty years of marriage? I
think that's something we're celebrating.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Couldn't agree more. New Zealand First are seeking changes to
the Regulatory Standards Bill because New Zealand First has got
problems too or not.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, I mean they've got some issues, but that will
be flushed out through a slip committee process. I mean,
if you take a step back, this bill's about making
sure we do decent good law making and more transparency
about bad law making in particular. It's pretty complex legislation,
but like the fast Track bill, and it will benefit
frankly from going through.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Just it's complex.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I heard David Seymour do an interview once on it,
and I was bamboozled by what he's trying to achieve.
But outside of the broad it will be more efficient,
is it, do you understand?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, that's the point is we want to make sure
it doesn't drive increased bureaucracy. It's actually got to be
a much simpler way to say, Look, if you're making
new laws as a minister, you've got to make sure
that it actually does work that you're not and as
a result of the system that checks that, we want
that to.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Be pretty tiptop shaped.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So David's got you know, the idea is more transparency
in the regulations.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But is there an ideological script between Winston and David
on this.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, it's just making sure it's the devil's in the
detail on this one. And it's no different from fast Track.
If you remember how we started that one off and
then we ended up creating panels and a bunch of
different things.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
That's similar to this one.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, Nick Stewart, who is a financial advisor, I am
reading over the weekend the case for full expensing of
capital expenditure. Having read the article, it does make sense.
Is there any possibility, either in the budget or generally
that we can full expense capital expenditure and therefore drive
the economy.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
We'll talk more about that obviously in the budget in
a few days. There's something in the budget, don't know,
you never know. We'll talk about the budget in a
few days yet. But what I just say is that
that idea is not an unattractive idea because if essentially, Mike,
if you look at the small medium enterprises in New Zealand,
the top ten percent are seven times more productive than
the bottom ten percent, and a lot of it's to
do with their adoption of capital and plant and equipment
(02:28):
and automation and all that good stuff. So I've got
a lot of sympathy for that, but weft wway to
the budget.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So much sympathy we might be able to hear something
on Thursday that's exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I know you you're so good at this. You're trying
to get a scoop on that, budge, I'm John.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Just please, you're positive about it. Stephen Joyce's Peace in
the Hero all over the weekend. Did you happen to
read that? Okay? So does he have an argument? I'm
not sure he has any He's talking about the productivity
of Fontierra's production side at a time when butter and
et cetera is through the roof. Do we know of
Fonterra are any good at what they do?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Or is it? Oh? I think they're pretty good. I mean,
how do you know that well?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I mean, when I look at their relative global performance,
they've done a very good job, particularly.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
In the last six years or so. Five years or so.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think there was a period in time, frankly where
I think they lost it and lost a lot of
ground against their global competitors. But I just say to you,
when you're offshore, I'm really you know, I think Fontira
has got the right strategy. They're going for high margin products. Yeah,
I was in Korea. They make an ambient whipping cream
sold to Korean bakers. Now everyone listening to that, guys
are whippy do well actually bakers and cakes in career
(03:30):
a freaking big market and actually doing it that way
they get higher margin that comes back to their farmers
than doing consumer goods business, for example. So I think
Fontio has had a really good strategy to enhance margin
so they can get returns back.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To the morification of New Zealand. So the Tea kung
of lead story, this was m FAT. This was Winston
Peter's getting upset about a teacung a league type job.
Let me quote you this his comments. Peter's comments and
subsequent requests to m FAT for a response by political
reporters set off a flurry of emails and messages between
the most c your staff at the agency. I would
have thought they had better things to do with their time.
(04:02):
Be that as it may. Who appeared to be unaware
the job fell foul of Peter's expectations. How does senior
bureaucrats not understand that they're working for a government that
have spoken very clearly on the malorification of this country.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, where we see it, we call it out.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, I mean sleep Well, I mean Onceston's obviously
called it out very strongly, which is important you've seen
it also.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We had a situation with Todeo.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Stop goho signs for example recently as well, and you
know where we see it. We actually we say, look,
that's not appropriate. You know, we don't want we need
the stop go signs to be very unambiguous and very
clearly producing the same thing here. We want everybody in
the public service focused on delivery, focused on results, and
not lots of resources tied up in things that doesn't happening.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
How come it's still happening. How come somebody somewhere goes
I'll tell you what, I'm going to make a Maory
Road sign.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, Well, I mean they're taking the person, aren't they. Well,
there's a I mean we're a new government. We've been
very very but a year and a year and a half,
I get it. But we want to run things differently
from the previous minstration. That's taking some people some time
to understand that. Where where it comes out and they
get it wrong, we're very quick to clamp it down
on it and to say that's got to change. Get
back to what the program is, which is delivery.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Let's get back to the budget without giving it away.
I get all of that the money you announced Nicola
Willis on Friday has hundreds of millions of dollars for
the film industry. Fantastic. You've got money yesterday for Regina.
Where's it all coming from? Well, that'll be revealed on
the budget I know, but give us a c I'll
just say we don't have any money.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, we have said very clearly that we think we
can invest in economic growth, we think we can invest
in health and education. You watch waights, you see the
fiscal plan and it will be all revealed.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
At that point.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's either borrowed or you've got it from somewhere. Which
is it?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Well, again, I'm not going to get it.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Why can't you give us that part?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Not because we've got to bud it's budget sensitive.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
We'll wait for.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
What's what's bunget sensitive about something that's broad as we've
got the cash or we're borrowing what.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
As I said to you, it's within our fiscal track
and what we set ourselves up and the rules that
we're trying.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
To do work towards.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It'll be revealed on Thursday. We need to be able
to do it in one comprehensive thing so you can
see the total fiscal picture of what we're dealing with.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And how we're funding it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
But it seems an extraordinary amount of money.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, well we are.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We're making some serious investments and some key places. Now
you're making investments, but I want to know where you're
getting the dough from and that will be revealed on things,
because if you're borrowing it, I'm not going to be
happy next week. Well that's fine, we'll have that conversation
next week.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
We'll we So you are borrowing.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh and I say we're borrowing, but I'm just I'm
not going to give you anything on this.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I know it's going to be a.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Very frustrating interview for your listeners. All right, he's so good,
can I say to all the people listening here? And
he tries to weasel it out of me. But now
we've got to wait to Thursday because I got to
show you the whole financial set in the front.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Okay, So reassure me once again that it will make
sense in a way that perhaps a conservative like me
that doesn't like debt yep, can understand.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So we have a problem with debt. As you well know,
we've had a threefold increase in debt from sixty to
one hundred and eighty billion dollars. The cost on budget
now on the interest build on that a loan's gone
from three to nine billion dollars in rising. It's about
sixty thousand dollars for every house on Zealand twenty two
thousand extra that's been added on to every kiwi and
we've got nothing to show for it, because basically they
(07:14):
debt's good if you're borrowing for productivity enhancing stuff and
well to point to a point, but there's there's good
stuff there in this case, we didn't do that the
last administration rant it up on the credit card and
for daily living expenses. That's that's why we've got nothing
to show with better schools, hospitals or roads. We've got
to change that course. We've got to find a pathway
to get ourselves to a surplus, because that's importance that
(07:35):
we've got future capacity. Should something before New Zealand that
we can deal with that issue. And we've got to
get in shape. And that's why things like the Greens
idea of more taxes, more borroing. You're hearing it from
Thomas Piece over the weekend on I did yeah, nurses. Yeah,
a pay cut, yes, under a Greenness Greens budget. Yeah,
and it's you know, and we've done a lot of
(07:55):
work to actually lift nurse pay. I mean it's one
hundred and twenty six thousand dollars including allowances, equal to
pretty much what they get a New South Wales which
is a lot wealthier. But I mean that was just
an absolute craziness and madness. But actually labors no better.
They want to borrow more, tax more, spend more. You know,
that's exactly where it is. We have to find a
balance responsibly to get the books back in order over
(08:16):
onto a pathway, but also make investments and also continue
to reprioritize and make savings.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Took a couple of quick things out of last week.
Is Jerry brownly letting the House down with that privilegious
committee response that he gave to the House last week.
Everyone gets to speak, everyone gets to have an amendment,
everyone gets to speak to the amendment. I mean, what's
that it's not stalled.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, that's that is that that is actually protocol and
that those are as I understand its standing orders and
rules in the House. The bigger issue is that we
discuss sensitive and difficult and emotional topics and that in
that place, the multi party are not getting penalized for
Wayata and for Harker that happens a lot. They're getting
penalized for breaking the rules, getting out of your seat, gestures,
(08:57):
you know, disrupting a vote, all of that kind of stuff,
and then not engaging with the Privileges Committee. We need
mpece are sent there by the people of New Zealand.
They need to respect the rules of the place because
otherwise it just evolves into absolute chaos. And was last
week and you low, well it wasn't great. I mean
because I don't like it because actually, you know, you
got MPs talking about themselves and parliamentarians talking about themselves,
and actually I try and stay above that fray because
(09:19):
I want to focus on what New Zealand doesn't need
us to do, and at the moment they want us
dealing with growing this economy and getting dealing with the
cost of living.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Explain the logic of this to me. So there's an
article in the paper over the weekend of one roof
there's a penthouse for sale downtown on Auckland for seventeen
million dollars. It's been on the market a few years now.
No one here wants it, clearly, why can't somebody buying it?
Why can't somebody from offshore by it?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well, I mean you know our position on that. I
do not.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The National Party has a strong view that you should
be able to buy.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Have you made any progress with Peters at all on this?
And if you haven't, why don't you call them out?
Well again, we still we still have a conversation going
with it. I know that's not the answer you want
to hear, because you've give me a grief on the
satually every time. But if you're looking to pull every
lever you can to get this economy going, yep, surely
that is a lever you can put one of the levers.
Welcome to New Zealand, have a golden visa. And by
(10:10):
the way, there's a penthouse there for yours for seven
to or for nine million pounds, snap it up.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I think you know we probably got the cap too
low last time when we went to the election campaign
we said it was two million dollars.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think you could lift that, you know, quite reasonably
to five or six.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Have you in your negotiations, sorry, have you in your
negotiations as much. And would you be looking to make
an announcement on this sometimes I'm not sure we will.
We've got we've got a better work to do it.
So you're losing still Peters is beating you up on that. No, No, well,
I mean let's be clear. We've got two issues.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
One is extending the superannuation age sixty seven, which I
think also makes great sense, and that given the key
he's a living longer, but that's not palatable to labor
and all his zeland first, and we've had an issue
with respect to you know, foreign by Abat. I just
think if you're a chief technology officer from San Francisco
and you want to spend some of your months here
in his Zealand because you've got an investment and a
tech company here that's helping Ryland grow, then you should be.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Able to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, you should. Why can't Repeaters understand that he's in
the pope because that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, I don't know. I mean, he's got a long
standing position. He just has been against it. We are
in conversation with him and his office as we've been
doing our proposals to lift the threshold a lot more.
We think that would be important ultimately with someone we.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Got to work through.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, so you don't always get what you want in
a coulish government, right well you would if I was
running it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'd like to see that have a good budget, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
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