The Prime Minister is introducing new laws focused on protecting first responders and prison officers.
Luxon told Mike Hosking that no ambulance driver, firefighter or police officer should face aggression and assault while trying to help people.
Also in discussion is the new IKEA store, which has faced trouble during the planning phase.
Luxon said that he has more concerns about the planning than IKEA do, and blames the struggles on ‘Māorification’.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The primise is back in the country. And as you
heard earlier on a week of some sort of crime
announcements or at least law and order announcements, we'll hopefully
get through some of those anyway. Chrystal Lux, Well, it's
good to see it, to be with you, Mike, and
and and for people watching this online. And you brought
me the map trying to button me up.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'll trying to tell you the Pouhoy to walk Worth
Walkworth Road, which I call the Mike cost Memorial Highway
is now tomorrow is going to be operating at one
hundred and ten case the whole thing my case. Now
I'm off your case. You can be doing your best
in a Liam Lawson as your shot up there with
your hair flowing in the wind, and.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
In the entire New free Way, one hundred and ten
kills a moment.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So soon, did you bring Amanda some duty free I didn't,
mate I should have. In hindsight, I thought I should
have brought some Dubai chocolate when I went through Dubai
for the changeover. But I said that to her when
I arrived, and she said that would have been nice.
But I didn't so well, yeah, that would have been nice.
That would be I did it fair enough now.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
After I said every day is Valenti's over ups.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, LAWA in order. The stuff that we've talked about
on the show this morning, it is coming this week
in the form that we've been talking about. In other words,
you're upping it on the first responders. And Sonny Koscher
is going to get some action on his recommendations from
this board.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yep, hope, so yes, absolutely. I mean their first thing
is tomorrow our new senencing laws come into place. That's
where we've kepped the discounts that judges can give you
might remember, to forty percent. You can't have multiple remourses,
you can't do all that stuff. So that's been really
good because that's been part of the problem. And the
second thing is today obviously we've got this challenge on
first responders. It's quite frightening. If you're a paramedic or
(01:36):
a fire officer, firefighter, or a police officer or a prison officer.
The assaults on these guys has been profound, Like there's
been nine hundred assaults I think last year on prison officers,
eleven hundred on police officers, and these are key weis
that go in to try and help us into these
difficult circumstances. They don't deserve to get bashed or assaulted,
so they're not saying enough is enough on that.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
One you concern this morning from the text is that
it's all very well to say maximums sentence is what
about the minimum? And what if the judges don't back you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well they need to we'll look at it again if
they don't. But I mean the point is I think
anyone listening to that would just say that's not right
that they You know, I've had people say to me, oh, well,
what's the evidence for putting a tougher sentence on them? Well,
I don't really care. I mean I want I want
the fire fighters and the paramedics safe. If you're working
at Saint John's, you go to help someone, you don't
deserve to get beat up.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
As are you also announcing something on special development with
Tower wrong of this week? You have a deadline for
July one to announce something with somebody who put applications
into you. Yes on sorry, just in terms of special development,
In terms of central government aligning with local government around
city regional deal, yes, yes, yes, we've got that work underway.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
More to say about that very shortly.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, okay, is it tower on them?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm not going to.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Say because you go, you smile, you gave it what
So it is.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
People listening. It's not easy coming on this show. No, no,
it isn't.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So it's tower on. So now here's where it's going
to get ugly for you. This business of Ikea and
the moorification of Ikea. And I'm assuming everyone else who
wants to build something in this country explain it to me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, it's insane. So I mean, first and foremost, getting
anything built in this country is very torturous. It's quite
a big process. As you know. You saw the issues
that have been raised where you've got lots of challenges
around getting stuff built. I actually met with the Ikea
owners when I was in the Netherlands. Actually it's run
out of the Netherlands, and they actually spoke quite positively
about the resource planning process. I said, I disagree. I said,
(03:30):
I think it's terrible. So why we're changing our fast
tracked laws. And we've also got the RMA Act being
reformed with new legislation in place.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So this is Labour's law, not yours. And once your
law comes in this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
We have to stop all this dumb stuff that's going
on that's making it very difficult in adding huge amounts
of cost to get.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So when does that law?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Everybody?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
When does this stuff stop?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah? So basically Bishop will have a draft in place
by July August and then we'll bring a first reading
into the House to make it law by the end
of this year.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So any new contract sign will no longer have these
sort of clauses.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, we want all this stuff stripped out right. This
is all dumb stuff that's adding huge amounts of costs.
There's a bunch of things around you. And I talked
about the role of regional councils for example going forward,
as well as well as consultation with EWEI. We've got
a situation, for example in tarrong A Port where there's
been a dispute going on between EWE District Council and
the port company. Now for EBOU seven years to build
(04:25):
two simple berths, I've probably got six or seven ships
sitting out there right now. But I'm sorry for ports.
We need to be able to crash through all that
stuff and get stuff done and built.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Are you going to be able to go to the
election next year with these laws in place and all
of this tidy up, because your reputation's being hurt by
this ongoing whether it's the previous government or not you're
in charge, by this ongoing idea that you haven't quite
clamped down on what you need to.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
There's three things we're trying to do. First of all,
we kill the madness of RMA two point zero under Parker.
We then put the fast trap provisions in place. That's
working really well. It's actually got new people putting projects
in there, which is good. Especially it's coming together forward
in the middle of the year with a new proposal
for the r and MAT that simplifies it tremendously prioritizes
economic growth, and you'll take that bill into the House
(05:09):
at the beginning of the at the end of this year.
So we should be having that process up and running with.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The focating completely while you're also away farner or two
things out of them. One Rokal who runs it, says
Maori issues don't come to the fore with mainstream parties.
Therefore she needed to spend some money on hiring Tom
Eat to spend thirty minutes telling us why you should
enroll in them low wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Those allegations are incredibly concerning. If public money has been
used in that way, that is utterly unacceptable. Well we
know it has. Well. The second thing I just say
to you, though, is both those organizations use public and
private money, and so the reason for the investigation, which
will be done in July, is to make sure that
we need to stain where the public money has been
used for those campaign I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Think she's claiming private money. I mean, the more on
the specificar people are claiming privately.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I just want to make we need to make sure
because if it's a pretty serious allegation, it's got some
pretty big consequence. It's a good reason for why Tama
Potarka has actually tried to sharpen up Funna or a
big time. I mean, we've had three commissioning agencies for
in New Zealand for the last decade or so. He's
got rid of them all. He's put four brand new
ones and that take effect as of tomorrow. He's also
(06:15):
then got new contracting in place to make sure that
we actually do have conflicts well managed, we have outcomes
really well articulated good data that drives into outcomes and
a bunch of common sense stuff that you would expect.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Right, So, on the surface, the ability of funer or
to give money to people to make an ad to
encourage people onto the maori role, which is electioneering.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That would be utterly unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, what will happen if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, again, both these organizations are no longer involved in
fun aura, but we would need to look at prosecutions
and other things that we remedy.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The same applies to more on a pacificate because they're
the ones as far as I can work out, the
arguing there was some public money at the start, but
then they argue it's been mainly private money since then,
and you can't.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, I want to be really definitive that you need
to know one hundred percent for sure, given the seriousness
of those allegations, whether the public money has been used
or not, and what recourse if it has been.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay. Also, while you're away one two seven Big of
the Education Act, Erica Stamford was on the program about
this entrenching to terrrity etc. Into the education business in
this country. She says Goldsmith's reviewing it. I was told
that Goldsmith's reviewing it because that's a compromise. It should
have been gotten rid of. You didn't, so you're reviewing
(07:27):
it with a view to what.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, there's a couple of things here. The first and
foremost thing is we have to make academic achievement the
priority for these school boards, which is what she's done.
You know, attendance is abysmal, maths and reading. We've got
big jobs to do there. We want that to be
unambiguously the number one priority of any school board. The
second thing, as you're right, there's a huge amount of
treaty obligations and the application of that across a bunch
of education regulation. It's not just in this particular bill.
(07:53):
We want to deal with that in quite a coherent
kind of way because it's then and Goldsmith's doing a
bunch of work on the broader treaty clauses, obligations that
are existing in all legislation, and we're working our ways
when we see that, well, he's already started that process
because there are somebody see here to fix and there
are some that are If.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
He's as fast on this as he is with Napui,
You and I are going to be you and I
are going.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
To be dead. Well, I just say. But the other
thing is this will go through a full select committee
process as well, so you know there's an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So that's well into next year presumable.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, no, this particular education bill, people can feed into
that their view.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That's that's a select committee right now.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Can that be done separately to the broad based stuff
that you're talking about with Goldsmith or is it all
going to be done separately individually altogether?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, I mean, we'll listen to the select committee feedback
of there's strong views. We've obviously got to make the
bill better. If there's things that we can do, there
will be other things that people might think we should
have boards focused on as well. My major focus on
this was to make sure they understood academic achievements freaking important,
because that was rather oddly not even a concern and
no wonder fifty percent of our kids a arrive at
high school not where they need to be. On reading
(08:54):
on the on the treaty piece on the education, there's
a whole bunch of education regulations. There's a massive, big
set of education acts that actually have this. You know,
the application of those treaty obligations through all of that,
but also it's an other legislation as well, probably up
to forty other bits. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So also while you're away, Goldsmith's on the program and
he says Napooi might be sorted in the next two
or three years, already having spent twenty million dollars on
airfares and lunches. Yeah, so as Jones got the answer
with a bill that forces them into a singular deal, Well,
I will take it or leave it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah. Well, I mean I think we're getting to a
point where we the carry on and just leave you know,
the Narpooi settlement and on the back burner as it
has been over the last government, and we will either
way find a way through and we're going to give
it one more go. We're going to give it a go,
and we've got new negotiators in place and we're very happy.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Whon't you stick a deadline on it like Bolt you
talked about all those years, Well, either pony app or
you know.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean I've been off the view.
We've we've got through probably there's one hundred and fifty
settlements roughly. I think from memory, there's over one hundred
of them have been done already. We're now down to
some difficult ones that have some definitional issues about on
the hierarchy planes, there's obviously the Narpooi and the North
are the two big ones. We've got to work our
way through those and try and get those resolved. I
(10:10):
want to get if we get another third of those
out the door, that would be fantastic. Why do we
want them out the door, because actually it's amazing. You
just watch Waikato Tyn do a deal with Brook billion
dollars on internal people don't want to do a deal
thing about Narpooi up north. It's the biggest tragedy in
my view, which is that their failure to actually secure
a settlement means that they're not able to their community.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But the failure, I mean, how much more money do
you want to spend?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It takes two to tango, but we're going to give
it one more.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Go and in thirty seconds or least, can you explain
to me what fin or is Is it a race
based organization or not?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, I know it's not. It's designed to help all
News Islanders.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
How can you can you know me a single call
or they've given anyone who's not Mario Pacific ond.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I can. I mean, if I think about the
work that they do, a different community organizations will be
commissioned to do work on attendance services. There's been some
outstanding work done on childhood immunizations and immunizations with the
general population, led by Maori organizations. So we just believe
fundamentally that actually community organizations that actually have high trust
with communities, that can actually get tasks done that we can't,
(11:14):
you know, social services, tasks and protection. So you defend
them generally, Yeah, because I mean, Loo, look at I mean,
we spend thirty two billion dollars on healthcare, we spend
one hundred and eighty million dollars on fun aura right,
And yes, I mean, I mean, you know, it's why
Tim are impressed with how he's gone about trying to
tighten it all up and get it gripped up and
change the current set of commissioning agencies. But if you
look at someone like Na Tahoo now who is off
(11:34):
tomorrow will take over as one of the big commissioning agencies.
You know the commercial they are literate, they know their communities,
are really well embedded in the eighteen different you know,
one an across the South Island. They know what's needed,
and we should sitting in Wellington with some bureaucracy trying
to perfectly target and deliver cash to deliver a task
of immunizations or getting kids to school. You know, why
(11:55):
wouldn't we try that through community organizations? And we've had
some really great results in those in those efforts. Yeah,
so I still I believe in it. I hear your frustration,
and I think that's a frustration we've had as well,
which is that you know, when you're not managing conflicts,
when you're not having real cleric outcomes based contracts, when
you're not having auditing happening, when you're not having data
(12:15):
collection to prove that it's driving improved outcomes. You know,
that's a basic right when we should be able to
sort that out, which is what time is doing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
All right, Good to see you for more from the
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The primise is back in the country. And as you
heard earlier on a week of some sort of crime
announcements or at least law and order announcements, we'll hopefully
get through some of those anyway. Chrystal Lux, Well, it's
good to see it, to be with you, Mike, and
and and for people watching this online. And you brought
me the map trying to button me up.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'll trying to tell you the Pouhoy to walk Worth
Walkworth Road, which I call the Mike cost Memorial Highway
is now tomorrow is going to be operating at one
hundred and ten case the whole thing my case. Now
I'm off your case. You can be doing your best
in a Liam Lawson as your shot up there with
your hair flowing in the wind, and.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
In the entire New free Way, one hundred and ten
kills a moment.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So soon, did you bring Amanda some duty free I didn't,
mate I should have. In hindsight, I thought I should
have brought some Dubai chocolate when I went through Dubai
for the changeover. But I said that to her when
I arrived, and she said that would have been nice.
But I didn't so well, yeah, that would have been nice.
That would be I did it fair enough now.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
After I said every day is Valenti's over ups.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, LAWA in order. The stuff that we've talked about
on the show this morning, it is coming this week
in the form that we've been talking about. In other words,
you're upping it on the first responders. And Sonny Koscher
is going to get some action on his recommendations from
this board.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yep, hope, so yes, absolutely. I mean their first thing
is tomorrow our new senencing laws come into place. That's
where we've kepped the discounts that judges can give you
might remember, to forty percent. You can't have multiple remourses,
you can't do all that stuff. So that's been really
good because that's been part of the problem. And the
second thing is today obviously we've got this challenge on
first responders. It's quite frightening. If you're a paramedic or
(01:36):
a fire officer, firefighter, or a police officer or a prison officer.
The assaults on these guys has been profound, Like there's
been nine hundred assaults I think last year on prison officers,
eleven hundred on police officers, and these are key weis
that go in to try and help us into these
difficult circumstances. They don't deserve to get bashed or assaulted,
so they're not saying enough is enough on that.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
One you concern this morning from the text is that
it's all very well to say maximums sentence is what
about the minimum? And what if the judges don't back you.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well they need to we'll look at it again if
they don't. But I mean the point is I think
anyone listening to that would just say that's not right
that they You know, I've had people say to me, oh, well,
what's the evidence for putting a tougher sentence on them? Well,
I don't really care. I mean I want I want
the fire fighters and the paramedics safe. If you're working
at Saint John's, you go to help someone, you don't
deserve to get beat up.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
As are you also announcing something on special development with
Tower wrong of this week? You have a deadline for
July one to announce something with somebody who put applications
into you. Yes on sorry, just in terms of special development,
In terms of central government aligning with local government around
city regional deal, yes, yes, yes, we've got that work underway.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
More to say about that very shortly.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, okay, is it tower on them?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm not going to.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Say because you go, you smile, you gave it what
So it is.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
People listening. It's not easy coming on this show. No, no,
it isn't.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So it's tower on. So now here's where it's going
to get ugly for you. This business of Ikea and
the moorification of Ikea. And I'm assuming everyone else who
wants to build something in this country explain it to me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, it's insane. So I mean, first and foremost, getting
anything built in this country is very torturous. It's quite
a big process. As you know. You saw the issues
that have been raised where you've got lots of challenges
around getting stuff built. I actually met with the Ikea
owners when I was in the Netherlands. Actually it's run
out of the Netherlands, and they actually spoke quite positively
about the resource planning process. I said, I disagree. I said,
(03:30):
I think it's terrible. So why we're changing our fast
tracked laws. And we've also got the RMA Act being
reformed with new legislation in place.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So this is Labour's law, not yours. And once your
law comes in this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
We have to stop all this dumb stuff that's going
on that's making it very difficult in adding huge amounts
of cost to get.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So when does that law?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Everybody?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
When does this stuff stop?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah? So basically Bishop will have a draft in place
by July August and then we'll bring a first reading
into the House to make it law by the end
of this year.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So any new contract sign will no longer have these
sort of clauses.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, we want all this stuff stripped out right. This
is all dumb stuff that's adding huge amounts of costs.
There's a bunch of things around you. And I talked
about the role of regional councils for example going forward,
as well as well as consultation with EWEI. We've got
a situation, for example in tarrong A Port where there's
been a dispute going on between EWE District Council and
the port company. Now for EBOU seven years to build
(04:25):
two simple berths, I've probably got six or seven ships
sitting out there right now. But I'm sorry for ports.
We need to be able to crash through all that
stuff and get stuff done and built.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Are you going to be able to go to the
election next year with these laws in place and all
of this tidy up, because your reputation's being hurt by
this ongoing whether it's the previous government or not you're
in charge, by this ongoing idea that you haven't quite
clamped down on what you need to.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
There's three things we're trying to do. First of all,
we kill the madness of RMA two point zero under Parker.
We then put the fast trap provisions in place. That's
working really well. It's actually got new people putting projects
in there, which is good. Especially it's coming together forward
in the middle of the year with a new proposal
for the r and MAT that simplifies it tremendously prioritizes
economic growth, and you'll take that bill into the House
(05:09):
at the beginning of the at the end of this year.
So we should be having that process up and running with.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
The focating completely while you're also away farner or two
things out of them. One Rokal who runs it, says
Maori issues don't come to the fore with mainstream parties.
Therefore she needed to spend some money on hiring Tom
Eat to spend thirty minutes telling us why you should
enroll in them low wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Those allegations are incredibly concerning. If public money has been
used in that way, that is utterly unacceptable. Well we
know it has. Well. The second thing I just say
to you, though, is both those organizations use public and
private money, and so the reason for the investigation, which
will be done in July, is to make sure that
we need to stain where the public money has been
used for those campaign I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Think she's claiming private money. I mean, the more on
the specificar people are claiming privately.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I just want to make we need to make sure
because if it's a pretty serious allegation, it's got some
pretty big consequence. It's a good reason for why Tama
Potarka has actually tried to sharpen up Funna or a
big time. I mean, we've had three commissioning agencies for
in New Zealand for the last decade or so. He's
got rid of them all. He's put four brand new
ones and that take effect as of tomorrow. He's also
(06:15):
then got new contracting in place to make sure that
we actually do have conflicts well managed, we have outcomes
really well articulated good data that drives into outcomes and
a bunch of common sense stuff that you would expect.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Right, So, on the surface, the ability of funer or
to give money to people to make an ad to
encourage people onto the maori role, which is electioneering.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
That would be utterly unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, what will happen if that's the case.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, again, both these organizations are no longer involved in
fun aura, but we would need to look at prosecutions
and other things that we remedy.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The same applies to more on a pacificate because they're
the ones as far as I can work out, the
arguing there was some public money at the start, but
then they argue it's been mainly private money since then,
and you can't.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, I want to be really definitive that you need
to know one hundred percent for sure, given the seriousness
of those allegations, whether the public money has been used
or not, and what recourse if it has been.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay. Also, while you're away one two seven Big of
the Education Act, Erica Stamford was on the program about
this entrenching to terrrity etc. Into the education business in
this country. She says Goldsmith's reviewing it. I was told
that Goldsmith's reviewing it because that's a compromise. It should
have been gotten rid of. You didn't, so you're reviewing
(07:27):
it with a view to what.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, there's a couple of things here. The first and
foremost thing is we have to make academic achievement the
priority for these school boards, which is what she's done.
You know, attendance is abysmal, maths and reading. We've got
big jobs to do there. We want that to be
unambiguously the number one priority of any school board. The
second thing, as you're right, there's a huge amount of
treaty obligations and the application of that across a bunch
of education regulation. It's not just in this particular bill.
(07:53):
We want to deal with that in quite a coherent
kind of way because it's then and Goldsmith's doing a
bunch of work on the broader treaty clauses, obligations that
are existing in all legislation, and we're working our ways
when we see that, well, he's already started that process
because there are somebody see here to fix and there
are some that are If.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
He's as fast on this as he is with Napui,
You and I are going to be you and I
are going.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
To be dead. Well, I just say. But the other
thing is this will go through a full select committee
process as well, so you know there's an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So that's well into next year presumable.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, no, this particular education bill, people can feed into
that their view.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That's that's a select committee right now.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Can that be done separately to the broad based stuff
that you're talking about with Goldsmith or is it all
going to be done separately individually altogether?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, I mean, we'll listen to the select committee feedback
of there's strong views. We've obviously got to make the
bill better. If there's things that we can do, there
will be other things that people might think we should
have boards focused on as well. My major focus on
this was to make sure they understood academic achievements freaking important,
because that was rather oddly not even a concern and
no wonder fifty percent of our kids a arrive at
high school not where they need to be. On reading
(08:54):
on the on the treaty piece on the education, there's
a whole bunch of education regulations. There's a massive, big
set of education acts that actually have this. You know,
the application of those treaty obligations through all of that,
but also it's an other legislation as well, probably up
to forty other bits. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
So also while you're away, Goldsmith's on the program and
he says Napooi might be sorted in the next two
or three years, already having spent twenty million dollars on
airfares and lunches. Yeah, so as Jones got the answer
with a bill that forces them into a singular deal, Well,
I will take it or leave it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah. Well, I mean I think we're getting to a
point where we the carry on and just leave you know,
the Narpooi settlement and on the back burner as it
has been over the last government, and we will either
way find a way through and we're going to give
it one more go. We're going to give it a go,
and we've got new negotiators in place and we're very happy.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Whon't you stick a deadline on it like Bolt you
talked about all those years, Well, either pony app or
you know.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean I've been off the view.
We've we've got through probably there's one hundred and fifty
settlements roughly. I think from memory, there's over one hundred
of them have been done already. We're now down to
some difficult ones that have some definitional issues about on
the hierarchy planes, there's obviously the Narpooi and the North
are the two big ones. We've got to work our
way through those and try and get those resolved. I
(10:10):
want to get if we get another third of those
out the door, that would be fantastic. Why do we
want them out the door, because actually it's amazing. You
just watch Waikato Tyn do a deal with Brook billion
dollars on internal people don't want to do a deal
thing about Narpooi up north. It's the biggest tragedy in
my view, which is that their failure to actually secure
a settlement means that they're not able to their community.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But the failure, I mean, how much more money do
you want to spend?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It takes two to tango, but we're going to give
it one more.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Go and in thirty seconds or least, can you explain
to me what fin or is Is it a race
based organization or not?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, I know it's not. It's designed to help all
News Islanders.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
How can you can you know me a single call
or they've given anyone who's not Mario Pacific ond.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I can. I mean, if I think about the
work that they do, a different community organizations will be
commissioned to do work on attendance services. There's been some
outstanding work done on childhood immunizations and immunizations with the
general population, led by Maori organizations. So we just believe
fundamentally that actually community organizations that actually have high trust
with communities, that can actually get tasks done that we can't,
(11:14):
you know, social services, tasks and protection. So you defend
them generally, Yeah, because I mean, Loo, look at I mean,
we spend thirty two billion dollars on healthcare, we spend
one hundred and eighty million dollars on fun aura right,
And yes, I mean, I mean, you know, it's why
Tim are impressed with how he's gone about trying to
tighten it all up and get it gripped up and
change the current set of commissioning agencies. But if you
look at someone like Na Tahoo now who is off
(11:34):
tomorrow will take over as one of the big commissioning agencies.
You know the commercial they are literate, they know their communities,
are really well embedded in the eighteen different you know,
one an across the South Island. They know what's needed,
and we should sitting in Wellington with some bureaucracy trying
to perfectly target and deliver cash to deliver a task
of immunizations or getting kids to school. You know, why
(11:55):
wouldn't we try that through community organizations? And we've had
some really great results in those in those efforts. Yeah,
so I still I believe in it. I hear your frustration,
and I think that's a frustration we've had as well,
which is that you know, when you're not managing conflicts,
when you're not having real cleric outcomes based contracts, when
you're not having auditing happening, when you're not having data
(12:15):
collection to prove that it's driving improved outcomes. You know,
that's a basic right when we should be able to
sort that out, which is what time is doing.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
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