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August 10, 2025 11 mins

Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports.

On the table today: Richie Mo'unga, why don't they bring him straight into the All Blacks? Is NZR tripping over it's own rules again?

The Blackcaps thrashed Zimbabwe resulting in their largest test victory ever - 359 runs!

And Shane Van Giserbergen is set for a contract extension, but are the details a bit too vague?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason p and Andrews Will both with us Monday Money
Money fellas Mike Andrew Peter Lester. You will have known
him will.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yes, I did. I got to know him obviously during
America's Cup time, especially more so here when it was
held on autund what three or four years ago. Great man,
great sailor, great sailing brain. But was able to put
that great sailing brain to use for the general public.
Always really good at explaining things in layman's terms, if

(00:30):
you like Mike's. So, yeah, what a great loss. Yeah
did you know Jason over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Only through interviewing him and having him on many times.
Mike never got the chance to meet Peter Lester. But
exactly what Sam said, I think his great strength, which
not all former athletes and sports people have when they
come across to broadcasting, as his ability to break it
all down to take the jargon out and there's a
lot of jargon and sailing as we know, and make

(01:00):
us all understand it. So yeah, a real loss, and
as I understand it, you know, was in great shape,
A real shock to everybody who found this news out
over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, seventies a bit makes you feel a bit mortal sav.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
You'd always see him walking through the viaduct. Mike hanned
trim and in his jandles. He loved a good pair
of jandles. The least a name synonymous with sailing in
Lyttleton and Banks Peninsula. And he was a huge Rugby
found a huge Crusaders fan. So yeah, big, big loss.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Jason the Warriors. It's over so pardon no, it's over.
Do it's top eight, top four. I mean, do you
do either of you guys do the numbers in the sense?
I mean, I think we'll win the three of the
last four. Let's say that we should win four or four.
But say we win three, we'll end up at thirty six.
That would that get us top four? I mean I'm

(01:56):
looking at the top four now, the Panthers on thirty one,
they're only a point above us, and we get an
easy run.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
The problem is you've got the Bronco Sharks, Dolphins worry,
isn't he and a couple of those teams are running
into real strong form.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I would say, though, the Panthers the Panthers, and I've
decided to be positive about this.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
The Panthers have the storm, the Raiders and the Bulldogs
over the next three weeks, so they play the other
three teams in the top four. They're only one point
ahead of the Warriors, the Panthers. They're in great form
nine in a row and they could easily win all
three of those games, but they have a tough run.
And yeah, the Warriors, though, they don't feel like a

(02:37):
top four side anymore do that's the main problem.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
And if we're not top four, first of all, if
you're not top four, you don't win the competition.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
That's that's right, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And that's just a statement of fact. And even if look,
we're not good enough.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
The injuries have been well known. But now I think
you know that heavy loss to the Bulldogs over the weekend,
some worrying, don't make don't look thirty points usually gets
you into the eight.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh, we'll be in the eighth. But that's not the
point of the eight.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, but yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I mean, top we're top four and nothing as far
as I can say, I mean, that's that's I think ultimately, Jason,
what will take out of the season, isn't it where
if we end up top four, maybe win a playoff game,
and that's about it. You've got to be honest and
say that's a pretty decent season, all things being considered
with the other thirty, but apart from that, it's not
what it could have been, should have been.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
No, that's thirteenth last season, Mike. So look at the
start of the season, say the Warriors fans, you're going
to make the eight, bite your handoff for it.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Take Yep, we'll take that. That's great.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
But having lived in the top four since what rounds
six I think mid eighties when they entered the top
the top four haven't haven't been out of the top
four since. It is sort of petering out a little bit.
And yeah, look, I think now you aim for fifth
or sixth, which means you get that home playoff against
the one of the one of the teams in seventh.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Or eighth, but you're right outside of the top four.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
I think Raiders, Storm, Bulldogs, pan As will be the
top four one of.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Them and deservedly so too.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
And we've been saying it for a few weeks. Micer
is that you look at the top three or four
teams and the way they're playing differently, and add the
Broncos and the roosters into that especially, it's a different lea.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Differently the I've got a bit of pushback on this, sad,
but I just Richie Muwanga is so good that you
want to trapes around to Japan and say please come home,
and he does and you want to cut him a deal,
then why not.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, they're have an issue with that.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean, they should be able to come and go play,
should be able to do whatever they want. And if
they're available for the All Black, so that's great.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, and they resign a deal with injured r then
then they should be available eligible. I'd be very surprised
if he doesn't see game time in July or in
that Springbok two next year, Kevin. The injury rate we
have in rugby these days, super rugby, I'd be very
surprised if we don't see him midyear.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Don't you reckon though, Jason, You've got to allow these guys.
I mean, this whole sabbatical thing. I mean, but they've
sort of angst their way through what is just really
just professional era where people go and imply their trade
for the best deal.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, Richie Mooronger, the difference is he's not on sabbatical.
He not like Jeordie and Ardie, are able to come
back and go straight back. And that's that's the reason
he isn't theoretically available to play for the All Blacks
until next October. But but you're right, Michae Man, this
is like it or not. This is the professional era.
Richie Moonger can play three years in Japan, come back
for an NPC and Super Rugby campaign, go to a

(05:27):
World Cup, win the World Cup, and then go back
to Japan for another three or four years after that.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
He's played a blinder.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
He has played an absolute blinder.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
And if you're good enough, then good luck to you.
Is Luke Littler sailing staying with you?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Sam? Was that? Sorry?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Luke Littler? Fellow pastiaying with me?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
What do I remind am?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I just you know, certain guys like a beer in
a pasty sort of hang out theginner.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
No, he's not staying with me. I wouldn't be getting
much sleep probably.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
He was, Well, here's here's my problem. What would you
do if you were in my shoes? So he so,
Chris Hopkins wouldn't get up for Ryan Bridge before six
o'clock to do an interviews. Now, that's bad enough. Luke
Littler won't get up and do interviews before ten in
the morning. I mean, what's that about? For God's son?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
He's a finely tuned athlete.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
No he's not. He's overweight and he tosses darts. It's
like I don't want to. I mean, what am I
supposed to do? And then come on? I mean ten o'clock.
That's pathetic.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
When when you're nineteen, with the body of a sixty
year old, you need your sleep.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Do you reckon? And I've got a dart but have
you got a dartboard?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Jason, Yes, I have.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's not up, but we have one.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh that's it doesn't count mine's up as yours up.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Andrew, yep.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Right, So when you throw, and do you measure back
from the board to the professional length? H yeah, yeah,
I do too, so I can if if you ask
me to get a ten, any ten, not a double
or a triple, but just a ten. I within three darts,
I reckon, I could get a ten nine times out
of ten, right.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yes, so, because I don't know that darts or a
double ten?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, I couldn't do a double or a triple, would
be more luck. But I could give you a ten
and I could get close to a double. If you
said do a double, I get close to a double.
But my point being this darts doesn't strike me as
being particularly complicated, and I reckon, And it's not physical,
and so I reckon. If I practice really hard, I
could get moderately okay at it.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
So it proves its repetition, isn't it. You'd have to
just train and train it.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
It must be. You must be a robot. But also
the ability then it's all psychological to not freak out
under pressure.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
And also you need to find a tiple that takes
the edge off.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Do you reckon? That's it. If you had just a
couple of swigs, you'd be just a bit more relaxed.
Double ten so much easier.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
To My problem is that I throw my best darts
when there's no one around, okay, And.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Do you tell that story? Do you go? I was
really good, and you go, jeez, that was a good
session in.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Triple triple twenties all over the place, and then when
there's a crowd it just fall apart.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Well, I rest my case. That's that's the psychological. You've
got no metal have you just if you ever put
your board up, Jason, would you be able to hit it?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I think so?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, I think so. It's the checkouts of the thing,
aren't they. And you talk about the pressure. They've got
to finish up a double obviously, and they can, you know,
they can, you know, double tops or double six all
day long when there's no pressure on.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
But you know when when they're up there and it's to.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Win a leg or to win a match. Sure, no,
I've seen those top guys miss you know, three darts
at double tops, So yeah, I think it's all about
the pressure. Probably like a lot of other sports, it
must be. Yeah, I think if your practiced you might
get quite good at it. A lot of guys are
having a go at it now, aren't they.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, because it's accessible, that's what That's my point. The
point is there's no real restriction to you being able
to play it at a reasonable level, is there?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
You just check check it up and you get well.
For the reason, we'll even have to play a lot
right to get to a reason like a national title? Aura,
are you.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Held because the guy is not there giving you the score?
Do you have to add it up in your head?
And therefore it takes so much longer.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, and minusing stuff as well, I can add, but minusing.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Of game from five oh one downs hard work.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
But you let me. You know, you've in your sporting career,
you've mastered what were you like an NBA point guard
at one stage or should have been?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I was good from the outside arc.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
You're in the ATP top three thousand in the world
for tennis, was it? Yeah? I was.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I played for the region i'd play. Yeah, I've done
a lot of really good sport actually.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Gold and then and then you you you reach your
peak and then it's like, oh, I don't need to
do this anymore. I'm too good. I reckon if you
stuck to darts, I mean, look at Paul is it sorry? Snooker?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, snooker. Oh yeah, there's nothing holding me back on snooker.
I've got some very good shots going these days and stick.
But that's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Are you do you? Are you concerned or does your
family concern that you it's all indoor like snooker darts,
any preseason games on a Friday afternoon, you'll actually never
get out of the house.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Tell me both of you. NFL season, the the preseasons underway,
I can see none of it. It's none of it's
available in New Zealand preseason. I'm seriously worried. I think
TV ands it's got some NFL occasionally. Do you have
that this year to you know, SAP and more importantly not.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
To I think. I think, I think so it's all
it always does well. But isn't it on NFL Game
Day Pass or something.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, you gotta buy a part. You gotta buy an
app now. So not only do I have all my
streaming services now, going to buy an app for the
NFL design I was looking up this morning. You know,
it's four hundred dollars, four hundred dollars on dezone for
the NFL season.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
You get every game, don't you get?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, of course, of course you didn't get every game,
But I mean four hundred dollars to watch a singular
sport for a singular season while I'm already playing for.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
The rest of the streaming Looking at a stat the
other day, Mike and I think the the TV revenue
and streaming revenue that the NFL gets makes up about
seventy percent of revenue. You look at other mirror, you
look at it for other American sports, and it's in
the twenties and thirties. The amount of money because everyone
wants a cut, right, everyone wants to screen a game
or to stream a game. The amount of money is

(11:10):
just compete. You could just pretty much almost add up
the NBA ice hockey and baseball baseball and it hardly
gets close to NFL.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Unreal. Yeah, I think I'm going to have to I
think I'm gonna have to pony up because I can't.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I might make an investment you can't help.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Come on in your coverage anyway. Nice to see you,
Nice to see you, guys. We catch up next week
Jason Py and Andrews seven.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
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