Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports.
On the table today: The AFL semi finals draw 100,000 fans to each game.
Liam Lawson finished 5th in Baku to secure his best ever finish in F1.
And what should the Black Ferns take away from their defeat in the Rugy World Cup semi finals?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Andrew Sebral Jason Pine, both with US Fellows. Good morning.
Let me tell you how Jason was watching some AFL
over the weekend. Two time semi finals both had one
hundred thousand people at the MCG. I mean that's ticket sales,
isn't it packed?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Amazing, amazing. I mean Nazia all still rules the roost
and Victoria in particular, doesn't it. But yeah, there were
teams from outside there in the well. We got the
Brisbane Lions into their third straight final. But the crowds,
the size of the crowds, You're right, Mike, just absolutely incredible.
And they get those in the regular season. You know,
this is a These were preliminary finals, but you get
(00:33):
you get one hundred thousand of the amazing games. Incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's a religious team.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Which team do you support, mate?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I used to support the D's, the Mighty D's, But
my dad lived in Australia and I used to go
across and visit him and he was a member of
the D's and we'd go along to the MCG. And
that was back in the days. Barassi Ron Barrassi you
remember that name, and it was like a major anyway
point was they were, they were the team, but they
have not been the team for a very very very
very very long period of So now.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You've hitched your trailer to another team like you do
with the Uni.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fouler still support. I've said the Rams and the Cowboys,
Rams and the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've got to have one team and stick with it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Now, I don't think that's true. Storm Sharks Andrew Storm Sharks, Broncos, Panthers,
the Panthers story. Surely, if it goes all the way,
that's as good as it gets ever, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
They never looked like losing yesterday. But you've got to
also remember, Mike is that the Sharks are outside the
top four as well, so what they've done is brilliant. Also,
they played so well against Canberra in Canberra. I think
the raid is that extra point, golden point time game.
Suck the life out of them from last week. Great football,
great football to one. The way, the way the way
(01:46):
Penrith uses the ball. I think, like I said last week,
I hope the All Blacks were watching the Broncos. I
hope they're watching the Panthers last night. The way they
used the ball, draw and pass getting through various types
of defense that the Panthers were just outstands.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, I can see the Panthers beating the Broncos. I
can't see the Sharks beating the Storm.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, a great agree. I think it's Panthers. I think
it's Panthers Storm. I think Panthers will win it. Like
that's crazy, you know, a fifth straight one.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They will laugh from where they came. That's how to
be a champion, isn't it. Ivan Cleary, he's such a
likable guy too. The Ranford I know we're getting to
Liam and I want to get to Lima. I just
want to tick up all the weird stuff I happened
to stumble across over the weekend. I mean that ranfa
Ish Shield Challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Andrew another great game.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I mean, I mean, come on, I mean, how excited
that that? Four times the thing swapped and it's a
tight game. It's fantastic. And if you look at the
table you think Canterbury is thrashing everybody, It's just simply
not true, is it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, it's not.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I think they were up by sixteen seventeen points, but
not long to go in that game.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And Otago, the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Otigo team has really played well most of the season.
I think I was second on the table, Mike, So
not a massive messive shock, but Cannby at home hard
to beat. Looking forward then to Donner's next weekend where
North's Harbor winless.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but human or Harbor playing yesterday?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Did you see him? They got I reckon, They got.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Sawn off at the end by a couple of penalty
calls and they lost to northladj Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That crowd that was at the Albany thing, wasn't I mean,
were there four people there or five?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's a shame. It's a shame. Look, they haven't won
a game all season and the crowds have stayed away.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, don't don't targo team, Mike, keep an eye on
that Lucas Casey, the open side flanker. He got two
tries in that game. One was running like a midfield back.
Big raps on this kid, Lucas Casey. Lookout from the
Highlanders next.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Year when Jason, when Jason Pine names the name.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You got a Q and I on him.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You watch his career derail. Now that's Stippy put on
the Canterbury wing or fullback. I think it was Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I was thinking about the tracks over the weekend. I
don't like street circuits, but if I had to name
the best street circuit, I think bark Who's probably with
its big straight and its old town and castles and stuff.
But I mean what Liam did today is YEP, is fantastic.
Absolutely some of.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Those some of those right angle turns, and then there's
a there's a there's a section around near the castles
and that's so tight only barely fits.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
One car seven meters wide, that corner in the cars
two meters wide. So by the time you're doing, you know,
one hundred and eighty k's into that, you've got to
be added.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Amazing, amazing drivings. And I watched most of that. I
don't know if you did. But the way he held
off some of those much better cars for a long
time his testament to his driving ability. He's done Mercedes
both yep, the holding of both Mercedes, which were much
better car until near the end when he when he
(04:40):
did finish fifth. But isn't it isn't it proof to
not only his skill but mental fortitude, given what he's
been through this year that now he's posting times like
this and he's posting results like this, if he hasn't
already secured that racing ball seat for next year, then
surely he will soon.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well he hasn't because Marco said over the weekend there
are two people who got contrad next to you. One's
Max and the others is Zach Isaac. So that means
it's Sonoda and versus Liam. But I think I think
Snoda's out of favor in general and Liam deserves the seat.
But I tell you what, tell you what, Jason, the
I suppose I see Carlos started second, came third, so
(05:19):
you could argue that Liam could have started third and
come fourth maybe, but you know fifth is firfth. You
can't argue with that.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Absolutely not. I think people wake up this morning and
they say, oh it was third on the gritty finish fifth,
that's a failure, not a bit of it. Those Mercedes
were always going to be faster, and he said that
they had the speed. But the way Liam held off
Sonoda crucially, but also the two ferraris are you know
Leclair and Hamilton Norris there as well. I just thought
his driving was absolutely superb as he held on to
(05:49):
fifth place. And look, if there is a if there
is a battle going on, between Sonoda and Lawson, and
we don't know that there is, but if there is,
I think Liam chalked up a lot of points this
morning in that. But he did brilliantly to hold him off.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And as we mentioned a few weeks ago, Mate, look
the fact that he's racing toe to toe with Hamilton
and Leclair and the McLaren's and the Mercedes in a
car that isn't really supposed to perform with those top outfits.
Again is his testament to his skill and mental ability.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
The only thing I worry about now, I don't worry
about it. It's just interesting. Sonoda seems to have found
something this race, in his last one he's done. Be's
like he's got on top of the car, or something's
happened to the car. They've changed it, something's happened there.
Because all the RBS, four of them were in the
top ten today, which is the first time the season
by a mile, and he was right up there with
Laws and so that part's interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Maybe he's driving for his future, Mike, he may well
be driving for things.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Did we learn Jason anything about the black Ferns? I mean,
I was Canada a shock.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I don't think it was. I don't think it was.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
They.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Reckis One now our former colleague, you know, one of
the top commentators in women's rugby in the world, said
before the she thought Canada were favorites.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And as soon as the game started, I see what
she meant.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Canada came out of the block so fast and nullified
any strength that we had on the outsides. I thought
it was a masterclass from Canada. He's even got back
into the game in the second half. But look, the
fact remains, this is an amateur team, the Canadian team
who had to crowd fund to even get to the
World Cup, beating a team of fully professional players.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So yeah, there's some thinking to do.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Absolutely no doubt that Canada deserved to win, but this
is disappointing. New Zealand went there to at least make
the final and they haven't been able to do.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, the Canadians were fantastic might but the Black fans
were terrible in some patches. There needs to be some
major questions asked about the amount of resource and funding
that goes into that team.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Maybe they need more.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I mean England is funded through the years, you know,
it's a huge amount of funding goes under the England
team and they will win the World Cup. But when
you're playing a team of parts ninnameters. Yes, some of
those Canadians plan Europe semi pro or pro. But when
you have to crowdfund a team to get to a
World Cup up against the Black Ferns and then that
Black Ferns team again, I think is pretty well resourced
(08:06):
that it needs to be questions asked, terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Just real quick, Jason. The Silver Ferns thing with the
wind yesterday is does that resolve anything for them?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Or just get just get Dame Noling back in there.
I don't know how you do it, but do it.
Obviously a Vet mccausl and jury has done a good job.
South Africa aren't great. We've got the Constellation Cup coming up.
I just hope they resolve it, get Dave Noling back
in there and let's carry on.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, she may well though, if she's invited back and say,
you know what, I'll go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I spoke to a Vet mccaus and jury on Saturday
and she's leaving next Sunday after the final whistles.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
That's it. She's gone.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Back to Saint Stephen's College where she where she and
her husband resurrected the school, and surely Neckboyns it has
to sort something out in the next few days, because
that's it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Then they've got the Assies from.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What day, Andrew, are your stories of all the abs
Eden Park Australia? What day does that that those.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Stools will ring six days out of it?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Mate? You know it?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
God's sake? Do you want to do? You want to
call it now? Jason, We're going to beat Australia by
how much a minute?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
You don't think that you're Blacks and the coach and
crew under preciate mention if they lost to bid As though,
the one thing that's.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Going to r lose the Bleeders.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
They won't.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
They won't.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
They'll be They'll want to even park. They might lose
in Perth, but they'll win an even park. They'll get
up for the occasion.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, I'm Jason. I mean the season will tell it that,
the stats would have it said that they'll win this weekend.
Then losing Perth doesn't it. I mean that's what we
tend to do well that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Way championships going.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, I mean I'd still pick them to win an
eat and they've got to you mate, they've got a
bounce back.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
What if the what if there's a monsoon or like
a red wind warning, is that going to affect the
bill up?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh it'll rain. It rains in every Test match you've
held it, even partly.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's probably true. All right, Nice to see you guys.
I think Jason fell off the line there, I think
because I think I think he was wearing his new
AI glasses and he'd connected it connected on the AI
glasses and he hadn't for more from the mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
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Andrew Sebral Jason Pine, both with US Fellows. Good morning.
Let me tell you how Jason was watching some AFL
over the weekend. Two time semi finals both had one
hundred thousand people at the MCG. I mean that's ticket sales,
isn't it packed?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Amazing, amazing. I mean Nazia all still rules the roost
and Victoria in particular, doesn't it. But yeah, there were
teams from outside there in the well. We got the
Brisbane Lions into their third straight final. But the crowds,
the size of the crowds, You're right, Mike, just absolutely incredible.
And they get those in the regular season. You know,
this is a These were preliminary finals, but you get
(00:33):
you get one hundred thousand of the amazing games. Incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's a religious team.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Which team do you support, mate?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I used to support the D's, the Mighty D's, But
my dad lived in Australia and I used to go
across and visit him and he was a member of
the D's and we'd go along to the MCG. And
that was back in the days. Barassi Ron Barrassi you
remember that name, and it was like a major anyway
point was they were, they were the team, but they
have not been the team for a very very very
very very long period of So now.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You've hitched your trailer to another team like you do
with the Uni.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Fouler still support. I've said the Rams and the Cowboys,
Rams and the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've got to have one team and stick with it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Now, I don't think that's true. Storm Sharks Andrew Storm Sharks, Broncos, Panthers,
the Panthers story. Surely, if it goes all the way,
that's as good as it gets ever, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
They never looked like losing yesterday. But you've got to
also remember, Mike is that the Sharks are outside the
top four as well, so what they've done is brilliant. Also,
they played so well against Canberra in Canberra. I think
the raid is that extra point, golden point time game.
Suck the life out of them from last week. Great football,
great football to one. The way, the way the way
(01:46):
Penrith uses the ball. I think, like I said last week,
I hope the All Blacks were watching the Broncos. I
hope they're watching the Panthers last night. The way they
used the ball, draw and pass getting through various types
of defense that the Panthers were just outstands.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, I can see the Panthers beating the Broncos. I
can't see the Sharks beating the Storm.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, a great agree. I think it's Panthers. I think
it's Panthers Storm. I think Panthers will win it. Like
that's crazy, you know, a fifth straight one.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They will laugh from where they came. That's how to
be a champion, isn't it. Ivan Cleary, he's such a
likable guy too. The Ranford I know we're getting to
Liam and I want to get to Lima. I just
want to tick up all the weird stuff I happened
to stumble across over the weekend. I mean that ranfa
Ish Shield Challenge.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Andrew another great game.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I mean, I mean, come on, I mean, how excited
that that? Four times the thing swapped and it's a
tight game. It's fantastic. And if you look at the
table you think Canterbury is thrashing everybody, It's just simply
not true, is it.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, it's not.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I think they were up by sixteen seventeen points, but
not long to go in that game.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And Otago, the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Otigo team has really played well most of the season.
I think I was second on the table, Mike, So
not a massive messive shock, but Cannby at home hard
to beat. Looking forward then to Donner's next weekend where
North's Harbor winless.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, but human or Harbor playing yesterday?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Did you see him? They got I reckon, They got.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Sawn off at the end by a couple of penalty
calls and they lost to northladj Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That crowd that was at the Albany thing, wasn't I mean,
were there four people there or five?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's a shame. It's a shame. Look, they haven't won
a game all season and the crowds have stayed away.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, don't don't targo team, Mike, keep an eye on
that Lucas Casey, the open side flanker. He got two
tries in that game. One was running like a midfield back.
Big raps on this kid, Lucas Casey. Lookout from the
Highlanders next.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Year when Jason, when Jason Pine names the name.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You got a Q and I on him.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
You watch his career derail. Now that's Stippy put on
the Canterbury wing or fullback. I think it was Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I was thinking about the tracks over the weekend. I
don't like street circuits, but if I had to name
the best street circuit, I think bark Who's probably with
its big straight and its old town and castles and stuff.
But I mean what Liam did today is YEP, is fantastic.
Absolutely some of.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Those some of those right angle turns, and then there's
a there's a there's a section around near the castles
and that's so tight only barely fits.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
One car seven meters wide, that corner in the cars
two meters wide. So by the time you're doing, you know,
one hundred and eighty k's into that, you've got to
be added.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Amazing, amazing drivings. And I watched most of that. I
don't know if you did. But the way he held
off some of those much better cars for a long
time his testament to his driving ability. He's done Mercedes
both yep, the holding of both Mercedes, which were much
better car until near the end when he when he
(04:40):
did finish fifth. But isn't it isn't it proof to
not only his skill but mental fortitude, given what he's
been through this year that now he's posting times like
this and he's posting results like this, if he hasn't
already secured that racing ball seat for next year, then
surely he will soon.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well he hasn't because Marco said over the weekend there
are two people who got contrad next to you. One's
Max and the others is Zach Isaac. So that means
it's Sonoda and versus Liam. But I think I think
Snoda's out of favor in general and Liam deserves the seat.
But I tell you what, tell you what, Jason, the
I suppose I see Carlos started second, came third, so
(05:19):
you could argue that Liam could have started third and
come fourth maybe, but you know fifth is firfth. You
can't argue with that.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Absolutely not. I think people wake up this morning and
they say, oh it was third on the gritty finish fifth,
that's a failure, not a bit of it. Those Mercedes
were always going to be faster, and he said that
they had the speed. But the way Liam held off
Sonoda crucially, but also the two ferraris are you know
Leclair and Hamilton Norris there as well. I just thought
his driving was absolutely superb as he held on to
(05:49):
fifth place. And look, if there is a if there
is a battle going on, between Sonoda and Lawson, and
we don't know that there is, but if there is,
I think Liam chalked up a lot of points this
morning in that. But he did brilliantly to hold him off.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
And as we mentioned a few weeks ago, Mate, look
the fact that he's racing toe to toe with Hamilton
and Leclair and the McLaren's and the Mercedes in a
car that isn't really supposed to perform with those top outfits.
Again is his testament to his skill and mental ability.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
The only thing I worry about now, I don't worry
about it. It's just interesting. Sonoda seems to have found
something this race, in his last one he's done. Be's
like he's got on top of the car, or something's
happened to the car. They've changed it, something's happened there.
Because all the RBS, four of them were in the
top ten today, which is the first time the season
by a mile, and he was right up there with
Laws and so that part's interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Maybe he's driving for his future, Mike, he may well
be driving for things.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Did we learn Jason anything about the black Ferns? I mean,
I was Canada a shock.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
I don't think it was. I don't think it was.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
They.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Reckis One now our former colleague, you know, one of
the top commentators in women's rugby in the world, said
before the she thought Canada were favorites.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And as soon as the game started, I see what
she meant.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Canada came out of the block so fast and nullified
any strength that we had on the outsides. I thought
it was a masterclass from Canada. He's even got back
into the game in the second half. But look, the
fact remains, this is an amateur team, the Canadian team
who had to crowd fund to even get to the
World Cup, beating a team of fully professional players.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So yeah, there's some thinking to do.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Absolutely no doubt that Canada deserved to win, but this
is disappointing. New Zealand went there to at least make
the final and they haven't been able to do.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, the Canadians were fantastic might but the Black fans
were terrible in some patches. There needs to be some
major questions asked about the amount of resource and funding
that goes into that team.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Maybe they need more.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I mean England is funded through the years, you know,
it's a huge amount of funding goes under the England
team and they will win the World Cup. But when
you're playing a team of parts ninnameters. Yes, some of
those Canadians plan Europe semi pro or pro. But when
you have to crowdfund a team to get to a
World Cup up against the Black Ferns and then that
Black Ferns team again, I think is pretty well resourced
(08:06):
that it needs to be questions asked, terrible.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Just real quick, Jason. The Silver Ferns thing with the
wind yesterday is does that resolve anything for them?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Or just get just get Dame Noling back in there.
I don't know how you do it, but do it.
Obviously a Vet mccausl and jury has done a good job.
South Africa aren't great. We've got the Constellation Cup coming up.
I just hope they resolve it, get Dave Noling back
in there and let's carry on.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, she may well though, if she's invited back and say,
you know what, I'll go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Mike.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I spoke to a Vet mccaus and jury on Saturday
and she's leaving next Sunday after the final whistles.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
That's it. She's gone.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Back to Saint Stephen's College where she where she and
her husband resurrected the school, and surely Neckboyns it has
to sort something out in the next few days, because
that's it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Then they've got the Assies from.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What day, Andrew, are your stories of all the abs
Eden Park Australia? What day does that that those.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Stools will ring six days out of it?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Mate? You know it?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
God's sake? Do you want to do? You want to
call it now? Jason, We're going to beat Australia by
how much a minute?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
You don't think that you're Blacks and the coach and
crew under preciate mention if they lost to bid As though,
the one thing that's.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Going to r lose the Bleeders.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
They won't.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
They won't.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
They'll be They'll want to even park. They might lose
in Perth, but they'll win an even park. They'll get
up for the occasion.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well, I'm Jason. I mean the season will tell it that,
the stats would have it said that they'll win this weekend.
Then losing Perth doesn't it. I mean that's what we
tend to do well that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Way championships going.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, I mean I'd still pick them to win an
eat and they've got to you mate, they've got a
bounce back.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
What if the what if there's a monsoon or like
a red wind warning, is that going to affect the
bill up?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh it'll rain. It rains in every Test match you've
held it, even partly.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's probably true. All right, Nice to see you guys.
I think Jason fell off the line there, I think
because I think I think he was wearing his new
AI glasses and he'd connected it connected on the AI
glasses and he hadn't for more from the mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
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