Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports.
On the table today: The Broncos defeat Melbourne Storm to win the NRL final.
The All Blacks beat the Wallabies in Perth, finishing second in the Rugby World Championship.
And the struggle continues for the Silver Ferns as Dame Noeline Taurua and Netball NZ enter a legal battle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason pans with us along with andrews Hevil. Good morning morning,
Mike Andrew. Your highlight of the weekend sporting wise was.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd say the rugby League last night. The performance of
Ree Walsh brilliant.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Worth watching the highlights just for that day. There's something
he can drink as much toilet water as he wants,
because when you're that good, you can take nothing away
from him.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Look a bit, he's a bit out there, but every time,
I mean they lost, they lost their half back and
stand off to injury. So Walsh took over in the
last ten or fifteen and led them to the victory.
Not only on attack with his stepping and passing and
some of those missout passes he was thrown were just extraordinary,
but also his defense was outstanding, the last line of defense.
(00:47):
If only he had stated the Warriors, I wonder what
would have become of him. He would be a superstar.
To imagine with the Warriors, whatever team he goes to,
I think he'd be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
He seems bigger Jason than I remember. I watched him.
I watched the highlights, and that one of the tries
he scored, he broke through By the time the two
were on top of him as he crossed the line,
he'd broken through five tackles and most of that was
strength as opposed to stepping, and so he was he
is he beefed up?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Or oh, I think they just stay in pretty good shape,
don't they, those guys? But yeah, he maybe it's a
bit bigger. Look, I thought it was a terrific Grand
Final in the Broncos. I mean you think of where
they were outside the top eight in June and again
to the top four till what sort.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Of late August.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They were down and out against the Raiders, came back
and won that fourteen down and halftime against the Panthers
last week, came back and won that. And yeah, last night,
what a terrific game. And look, I think we can
all be really happy for Michael McGuire. You know, obviously
you know the key week connection there, So yeah, I
was delighted, And what a great, great finish to what's
(01:52):
been a terrific season.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Right, I reckon it has been a terrific season as
well as as regards the All Black sav I don't
see Perth as a rainy sort of play, and that
was kind of disappointing Ian.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It was bizarre. It never rains in Perth, is it?
And then all of a sudden you've got a soggy game.
I think the All Blacks played pretty well. They defended
well only considering one tribes, probably their best effort for
some time under Scott Robertson. Still there's still a couple
of years lacking in this team. I thought Quintupaire played outstanding.
(02:26):
That forward's okay, Yes, there was a it was a victory. Yes,
it meant some consistency with two wins in a row
and what has been a topsy turvy, tough competition. But
I think there's still definitely some room from provemn and
are They're going to have to improve a step. Ireland
in Chicago and then those Northern teams up there.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So who, Jason are we looking at? I mean, as
Ireland will be Ireland, so that's a genuine test. I'm
not sure playing it in Chicago is the greatest thing
in the world. So who else are we looking at
the moment? England and in England any good at the
moment or no?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I think they're they're the other one, aren't they?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Island will were the Big Test, and it's interesting that's
first then Scotland, then England, then Wales to finish her
course at terrible. So yeah, I think it's the it's
the England, it's the Endland game. I'm with Sam. I
thought they well. I thought Australia had their poorest Test
for a while. They really, I think let themselves down
in the second half. I loved watching Quincerpyre play at center.
(03:17):
Who knew we could play center? I don't think we
anyone thought that thirteen was his position and I thought, yeah,
I thought Damien McKenzie had a mixed night as well,
So there's still some questions. It doesn't feel like the
all backs will run over the top of teams like
they used to. And we've talked about this a lot. Yeah,
let's see how they.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Go, Andrew. Just before we leave Rugby and get onto Nolan.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The positive mic. The positive mic is that they won
that close game, and they won what was a close
game in Perth, so they've had trouble finishing games in
the recent past. But I think that's a tick for
them as well.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Just quickly before we get to Nolan after the break,
but this are three sixty do you. I mean, it's
it's it's like, is this going anywhere?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, it's the Australian seem to think it is. And
they're looking at a few league players I know from
what I'm hearing, four or five All Blacks if they
haven't signed, being looked at very intensively. But and there
is some big backing apparently from which includes the Saudis.
(04:19):
But I don't And it's supposed to start next October
this time next year. But I'll believe it when I
see it. He Hitters behind it. There's some Beckers behind it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But yeah, but that's the reason I asked Jason. I mean,
when you've got the Saudis, the Saudis are serious and
there's no shortage of funds. I just can't work out
why I would watch There's no reason to, you know,
invented teams and one of them's in London, one of
them's and wherever. It's like who key is?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, And I think also the fact that they're targeting
league players in Australia tells you what you need to
know about a rugby competition. Every All Black, every New
Zealand player who knew would be want signed to the
next World Cup lines to the next World Cup, So
anyone who's going to play our three sixty from New
Zealand is going to have to be be on.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That World Cup.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Look, I acking, I don't know whether money is absolutely
coming from fifteen million per team is the budget I'm hearing,
So there's some money to throw around. You're not the
all blacks frame.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Why wouldn't you have a look at it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, right o, Andrew give us you the knollingto I mean,
what I was trying to say before eight o'clock is
you've got the two things. You've got the scrap itself,
but you've also got now the so called leadership or
the handling of the scrap. And the handling part has
become fascical, hasn't it been.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's been very poor you surely this should have been
sorted out months ago if it happened, and yes, it
did happen months ago. The the reason why there was
a review undertaken happened months ago. I just get the fit.
Look hiding behind this employment process in this corporate jargon
(05:54):
which Netbull seems to do at the moment is ridiculous.
There needs to be more trans experiency and yes, there's
legal issues and da da da da dah. But Mike,
this is a very public team. This is a national
team that uses and the sport uses taxpayer money to
help fund the game. Don't have an issue with that,
but when something like this happens, the public, the fans,
(06:19):
the players of netball around the country deserve much better.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I just get the.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Feeling that maybe certain people want Dame Noling to resign
rather than sticking around and carrying on. And maybe that's
to do with payouts. I'm not too sure, but you
just get that feeling that they're just pushing, pushing, pushing, Jason, I.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Just think it's a tremendously sad set of circumstances and
I can't see Dame Nolen coming back now, can you.
I mean, if they can't sort out the issues in
three or four days of mediation, then are they going
to be able to the core for it to speak?
As you say, Mike, is just it's just so difficult
to listen to. I had Jinny Wiley on the show yesterday.
(07:05):
In goodness me, I can't remember a more corporate speak
CEO interview than the one.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That do you know, I don't know her I've only
dealt with that.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I know her, No, don't know her. Look and look,
say what you like about about her and about the
people involved with the process. You're right, it's terrible. The
process is absolutely appalling. We've got to a stage now
where as I say, I don't think Dame Nolean's coming back,
I don't think they'll find a way now to get
her back, and how are to handle it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
But how they're going to explain it? So so, Sam,
you've got you've got one of the great names in
New Zealand sport, one of the most successful exponents of
the art, and suddenly she's just going to go. Dame
Nolean's leaving her. She and that's the end of that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, well, if that happens, they are going to have
to come out and tell us what happened. And again
I've told you this numerous times. My understanding is it's
just a few players. There's a hic of a lot
of support in that team to Dame Nole in Tobru
and what she has done for a lot of players
and what she's done for this team. Jason, I heard
that interview driving yesterday and she whiz almost drove off
(08:12):
the road a couple of times with frustration.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, yeah, just the hiding behind the cop or not hiding,
but the confidentially. If I hear the word confidentiality one
more time, it'll be it'll be too soon. Yeah. Look,
I get it. I get the employment side of it.
I get that. You know, perhaps it's some of it's
not none of our business, but a lot of it
is our business. This is a team we've cheered for,
supported paid for through our taxpayer dollars. We need more transparency.
(08:37):
We need to know what the issues are, who they
pertain to, how many players are involved, and when there's
a resolution in our future.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I thought the Prime Minister wis.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
If this was the All Blacks and this is where
they we'd be tearing them a new one, Mate, we'd
be tearing them.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's they're lucky they're a smaller type sport. Which is
the other interesting aspect to my mind, Andrew, and that
is this is a sport already in trouble and what
it needs less of is even more trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yep, it's a small sport. It's still numbers at the
lower level are still booming.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Right, Yeah, But that's that's got nothing to do with it.
I mean, that's like talking about football.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
All those players, all those kids, coaches, all the fans
of the Silver Ferns and netball around the country, and yes,
there's still a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, I couldn't agree. I think we're all in agreement
on that. Just quickly, do either of you know about
the breakers and why they're so useless.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I'll be watching them. We love that basketball at our place,
but man, they they they have been very poor for
four games under new ownership, which is odd. I thought
that would reinvigorate them. Hasn't really yet. Look long season,
but yeah, they need to get need to get a
move on.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You're watching Andrew.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, a little bits here and there, Mike, Yeah, a
lot of new not on new players or players that
have played a lot together, but years ago. Some new faces. Yeah,
I'm I'm pretty Look this coach is very good from
my understanding, from what I've heard, and he's been there
was the last season retained by the new owners. I
think they will probably turn it around.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They just.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Have you.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Have you listened at length to Taylor Swift? Jason?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No is the answer I got, at least or even
at whatever The opposite of a short way. I'm aware
of it. I'm aware of it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But and he's still on dial up. Jason, see to
me sometimes, don't don't send me a message on Messinger?
Can you fax me?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Do you think he's going to listen to Taylor Swift online?
A lot of your music, Mike is now sounding very,
very very samy, isn't it? Well?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So is Hugh Grant. But they didn't hold him back,
is it?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
You know I said, stick to your stick to your
you know what you do best. You know what I'm saying.
I've looked at some of your bulletin save and I'm
saying to myself, haven't I seen this before? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And that's why, that's why we love you. You're full
of variety, mate, You're full of variety. You never know,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What exactly, you never know what's next. Nice to see you,
Andrew sebl Jason Pine.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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Right.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason pans with us along with andrews Hevil. Good morning morning,
Mike Andrew. Your highlight of the weekend sporting wise was.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd say the rugby League last night. The performance of
Ree Walsh brilliant.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Worth watching the highlights just for that day. There's something
he can drink as much toilet water as he wants,
because when you're that good, you can take nothing away
from him.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Look a bit, he's a bit out there, but every time,
I mean they lost, they lost their half back and
stand off to injury. So Walsh took over in the
last ten or fifteen and led them to the victory.
Not only on attack with his stepping and passing and
some of those missout passes he was thrown were just extraordinary,
but also his defense was outstanding, the last line of defense.
(00:47):
If only he had stated the Warriors, I wonder what
would have become of him. He would be a superstar.
To imagine with the Warriors, whatever team he goes to,
I think he'd be a superstar.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
He seems bigger Jason than I remember. I watched him.
I watched the highlights, and that one of the tries
he scored, he broke through By the time the two
were on top of him as he crossed the line,
he'd broken through five tackles and most of that was
strength as opposed to stepping, and so he was he
is he beefed up?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Or oh, I think they just stay in pretty good shape,
don't they, those guys? But yeah, he maybe it's a
bit bigger. Look, I thought it was a terrific Grand
Final in the Broncos. I mean you think of where
they were outside the top eight in June and again
to the top four till what sort.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Of late August.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They were down and out against the Raiders, came back
and won that fourteen down and halftime against the Panthers
last week, came back and won that. And yeah, last night,
what a terrific game. And look, I think we can
all be really happy for Michael McGuire. You know, obviously
you know the key week connection there, So yeah, I
was delighted, And what a great, great finish to what's
(01:52):
been a terrific season.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Right, I reckon it has been a terrific season as
well as as regards the All Black sav I don't
see Perth as a rainy sort of play, and that
was kind of disappointing Ian.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It was bizarre. It never rains in Perth, is it?
And then all of a sudden you've got a soggy game.
I think the All Blacks played pretty well. They defended
well only considering one tribes, probably their best effort for
some time under Scott Robertson. Still there's still a couple
of years lacking in this team. I thought Quintupaire played outstanding.
(02:26):
That forward's okay, Yes, there was a it was a victory. Yes,
it meant some consistency with two wins in a row
and what has been a topsy turvy, tough competition. But
I think there's still definitely some room from provemn and
are They're going to have to improve a step. Ireland
in Chicago and then those Northern teams up there.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So who, Jason are we looking at? I mean, as
Ireland will be Ireland, so that's a genuine test. I'm
not sure playing it in Chicago is the greatest thing
in the world. So who else are we looking at
the moment? England and in England any good at the
moment or no?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I think they're they're the other one, aren't they?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Island will were the Big Test, and it's interesting that's
first then Scotland, then England, then Wales to finish her
course at terrible. So yeah, I think it's the it's
the England, it's the Endland game. I'm with Sam. I
thought they well. I thought Australia had their poorest Test
for a while. They really, I think let themselves down
in the second half. I loved watching Quincerpyre play at center.
(03:17):
Who knew we could play center? I don't think we
anyone thought that thirteen was his position and I thought, yeah,
I thought Damien McKenzie had a mixed night as well,
So there's still some questions. It doesn't feel like the
all backs will run over the top of teams like
they used to. And we've talked about this a lot. Yeah,
let's see how they.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Go, Andrew. Just before we leave Rugby and get onto Nolan.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
The positive mic. The positive mic is that they won
that close game, and they won what was a close
game in Perth, so they've had trouble finishing games in
the recent past. But I think that's a tick for
them as well.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Just quickly before we get to Nolan after the break,
but this are three sixty do you. I mean, it's
it's it's like, is this going anywhere?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Well, it's the Australian seem to think it is. And
they're looking at a few league players I know from
what I'm hearing, four or five All Blacks if they
haven't signed, being looked at very intensively. But and there
is some big backing apparently from which includes the Saudis.
(04:19):
But I don't And it's supposed to start next October
this time next year. But I'll believe it when I
see it. He Hitters behind it. There's some Beckers behind it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But yeah, but that's the reason I asked Jason. I mean,
when you've got the Saudis, the Saudis are serious and
there's no shortage of funds. I just can't work out
why I would watch There's no reason to, you know,
invented teams and one of them's in London, one of
them's and wherever. It's like who key is?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, And I think also the fact that they're targeting
league players in Australia tells you what you need to
know about a rugby competition. Every All Black, every New
Zealand player who knew would be want signed to the
next World Cup lines to the next World Cup, So
anyone who's going to play our three sixty from New
Zealand is going to have to be be on.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That World Cup.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Look, I acking, I don't know whether money is absolutely
coming from fifteen million per team is the budget I'm hearing,
So there's some money to throw around. You're not the
all blacks frame.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Why wouldn't you have a look at it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Okay, right o, Andrew give us you the knollingto I mean,
what I was trying to say before eight o'clock is
you've got the two things. You've got the scrap itself,
but you've also got now the so called leadership or
the handling of the scrap. And the handling part has
become fascical, hasn't it been.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's been very poor you surely this should have been
sorted out months ago if it happened, and yes, it
did happen months ago. The the reason why there was
a review undertaken happened months ago. I just get the fit.
Look hiding behind this employment process in this corporate jargon
(05:54):
which Netbull seems to do at the moment is ridiculous.
There needs to be more trans experiency and yes, there's
legal issues and da da da da dah. But Mike,
this is a very public team. This is a national
team that uses and the sport uses taxpayer money to
help fund the game. Don't have an issue with that,
but when something like this happens, the public, the fans,
(06:19):
the players of netball around the country deserve much better.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I just get the.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Feeling that maybe certain people want Dame Noling to resign
rather than sticking around and carrying on. And maybe that's
to do with payouts. I'm not too sure, but you
just get that feeling that they're just pushing, pushing, pushing, Jason, I.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Just think it's a tremendously sad set of circumstances and
I can't see Dame Nolen coming back now, can you.
I mean, if they can't sort out the issues in
three or four days of mediation, then are they going
to be able to the core for it to speak?
As you say, Mike, is just it's just so difficult
to listen to. I had Jinny Wiley on the show yesterday.
(07:05):
In goodness me, I can't remember a more corporate speak
CEO interview than the one.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That do you know, I don't know her I've only
dealt with that.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I know her, No, don't know her. Look and look,
say what you like about about her and about the
people involved with the process. You're right, it's terrible. The
process is absolutely appalling. We've got to a stage now
where as I say, I don't think Dame Nolean's coming back,
I don't think they'll find a way now to get
her back, and how are to handle it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
But how they're going to explain it? So so, Sam,
you've got you've got one of the great names in
New Zealand sport, one of the most successful exponents of
the art, and suddenly she's just going to go. Dame
Nolean's leaving her. She and that's the end of that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, well, if that happens, they are going to have
to come out and tell us what happened. And again
I've told you this numerous times. My understanding is it's
just a few players. There's a hic of a lot
of support in that team to Dame Nole in Tobru
and what she has done for a lot of players
and what she's done for this team. Jason, I heard
that interview driving yesterday and she whiz almost drove off
(08:12):
the road a couple of times with frustration.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, yeah, just the hiding behind the cop or not hiding,
but the confidentially. If I hear the word confidentiality one
more time, it'll be it'll be too soon. Yeah. Look,
I get it. I get the employment side of it.
I get that. You know, perhaps it's some of it's
not none of our business, but a lot of it
is our business. This is a team we've cheered for,
supported paid for through our taxpayer dollars. We need more transparency.
(08:37):
We need to know what the issues are, who they
pertain to, how many players are involved, and when there's
a resolution in our future.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I thought the Prime Minister wis.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
If this was the All Blacks and this is where
they we'd be tearing them a new one, Mate, we'd
be tearing them.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's they're lucky they're a smaller type sport. Which is
the other interesting aspect to my mind, Andrew, and that
is this is a sport already in trouble and what
it needs less of is even more trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yep, it's a small sport. It's still numbers at the
lower level are still booming.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Right, Yeah, But that's that's got nothing to do with it.
I mean, that's like talking about football.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
All those players, all those kids, coaches, all the fans
of the Silver Ferns and netball around the country, and yes,
there's still a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, I couldn't agree. I think we're all in agreement
on that. Just quickly, do either of you know about
the breakers and why they're so useless.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I'll be watching them. We love that basketball at our place,
but man, they they they have been very poor for
four games under new ownership, which is odd. I thought
that would reinvigorate them. Hasn't really yet. Look long season,
but yeah, they need to get need to get a
move on.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You're watching Andrew.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, a little bits here and there, Mike, Yeah, a
lot of new not on new players or players that
have played a lot together, but years ago. Some new faces. Yeah,
I'm I'm pretty Look this coach is very good from
my understanding, from what I've heard, and he's been there
was the last season retained by the new owners. I
think they will probably turn it around.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They just.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Have you.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Have you listened at length to Taylor Swift? Jason?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No is the answer I got, at least or even
at whatever The opposite of a short way. I'm aware
of it. I'm aware of it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But and he's still on dial up. Jason, see to
me sometimes, don't don't send me a message on Messinger?
Can you fax me?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Do you think he's going to listen to Taylor Swift online?
A lot of your music, Mike is now sounding very,
very very samy, isn't it? Well?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So is Hugh Grant. But they didn't hold him back,
is it?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
You know I said, stick to your stick to your
you know what you do best. You know what I'm saying.
I've looked at some of your bulletin save and I'm
saying to myself, haven't I seen this before? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And that's why, that's why we love you. You're full
of variety, mate, You're full of variety. You never know,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What exactly, you never know what's next. Nice to see you,
Andrew sebl Jason Pine.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
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news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.