Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports.
On the table today: Dame Noeline Taurua makes her return to Netball. Will the drama affect her game?
Auckland FC played in front of a relatively quiet crowd on the weekend.
And the LA Dodgers pull off a comeback to secure a 5-4 win over the Toronto Blue Jays.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Andrew seervels with us along with Jason pine Fellows. Good
Morning Monic, Morning mate, Andrew, what do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Wow? We want the truth, but it seems Nitball believes
we can't handle the truth. Quite odd Really, was that
Dame Noling Totra wouldn't know what she's done wrong and
there was no investigation?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Do you believe that? Here's what I took out of it.
I believe there was no investigation because she was unequivocal
in that. I believe that she wasn't told directly. But
what I can't believe is the rest of it. In
my truth, I've got lawyers. I mean, clearly she's been
shut down and there's some sort of NDA, and if
you're going to stay that will apologize internally or will
(00:45):
do whatever's necessary, but don't go back as publicly. I
think that's what.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Even under employment law, wouldn't she still be told what
she has done apparently wrong?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Of course, of course, not just employment law, but common sense.
If you called into a meet of such gravity and
then not told the reason why you are there, like
you asked her, Mike, what have they been doing for
two months? If not telling her the nature of the
allegations against her. I think we can all put ourselves
(01:15):
in her position and say, if we're called into a
meeting about our employment and told that our employment is
under question in severe risk, and yet not told why
we are even sitting in that room. I mean, I
just don't think most of us can can get our
head around what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, well, here the thing is, Mike teams talk, players talk,
management talk. Should be well aware of who the players were,
yes or are that that complained? And I'm sure she'd
be this type of coach type of person that would
sit down with those players and say, look, da da
da da da, do you want to play for me
or not? If you don't bug her off?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Sure, exactly, yep. But that's what that's the part I
can't understand. And I mean I was going to say,
to be better to interview Jenny Wiley or Matt winner A,
but the problem is they won't say anything because they've
said nothing through the whole process. But the difficult I mean,
the timeline from February to October, where if you believe
Taru and nothing happened apart from a lot of lawyers
(02:13):
and acts, seems the most astonishing mismanagement of a process
I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And the problem, like, is that publicly, so many of
these sports into these days, whether it's management, coaches or whatever,
they enter into this corporate babble that no one understands
apart from them and the public, the paying public who
pay their TV subscriptions or pay their game tickets, pay
their wages basically and none the wiser.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, and it just moves us further and further away
from common sense. Let's just talk like normal adult human
beings here. Let's just look. If there's allegations against Dame
Noling Todua, I'd want to know what they are. Tell
me what they are, Let's address them. Let's address those
concerns and then come out and at least, at the
(02:59):
very least say there are concerns around her training's been
too tough, or the way she treats players who have
been dropped, or whatever it might be. We're all adults,
we can all handle the truth, ask the truth.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I tend to agree. And what I found interesting is,
I mean, I don't know what you do, Andrew in
the sense, I wouldn't be back if we take her
at her word, and from what we know I wouldn't
have been back because who wants to work with a
bunch of dicads like that?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
If it was horrific, that's the word she used then.
And there's no reason to doubt Dame Nolen on that front.
And if it's been handled the way it seems to
have been handled and looks outwardly the way it's been handled,
then you'd be off.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, ye, why would you want to work for an organization?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And also you can understand why so many leading players
that are going to Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean there was the reporters last
week about the number of people have left netball in
New Zealand, you know, the people you've never heard of,
the comms team and the PRT marketing team. The churn
in the place apparently is dreadful and it says something.
But the interesting thing about that for me, Jason, is
there's millions of dollars of taxpayers money goes into the sport.
(04:08):
I mean, they are the recipient of taxpayers money. They've
got to be held accountable, don't they they do?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yep. It gives us a stake in it, absolutely, it
gives us a stake in it and a right to
at least expect them to do better than they've done.
This needs to be a cautionary tail. It needs to
be a seminal moment. And I don't know what you do, Mike,
is it? I mean, this is this feels operational to me.
So Jumy Wiley, I think is the one who has
to has to, you know, at least be under some
(04:34):
scrutiny here. It'll go down as one of the most
chambolic chapters in sports administration in our country.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Coudn't agree more. And Rayleian Castle, I guess Andrew needs
to answer because she's in charge of the elite end
of the handing out of the lolly. So I don't
know where she is. I mean, and you know she's
got to have something to say about it, doesn't I mean,
you know, given her netball connections apart from anything else.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Mike's talking to someone over the weekend in another sport
at a hyper performances to live when they said they're
having a high performance get together in a few weeks
of various sports at a high performance level. Guess where
the meeting is Nitball New Zealand. Of that person laughed
that person laughed.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I'll get to the guys. I'll get to the rugby
in just a couple of moments. But real quick, just
let's bolt through this. This is stuff I saw over
the weekend. I just want to know what's going on.
So Jason Auckland, I see a bit of the game,
beautiful day, no crowd, what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, it's an interesting one. What they've actually done because
they've moved the members over to the broadcast side. So
when you used to watch on TV, all of the
crowd on the other side was full. That was the members.
Apparently the members don't like sitting in the sun that much,
so they've moved them back over to the other side.
I don't know, eleven thousand, it's fewer than they would
(05:48):
have hoped. I'm sure. Is there a bit of fatigue?
I don't know. They're unbeaten. Good one Derby this week
and walling to.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Look for Do you see the Dodgers yesterday? Andrew?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah? I did? Yeah? What a game?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
How good?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean game that the Dodgers were down three to two,
they level at three all, and then we have yesterday's game,
which they were down through pretty much the whole game,
made it to the extra innings and then win the game.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Outstanding sporting drama in theater, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
If you ever want to sell baseball, that's the way
to do it. Just quickly, Andrew, what was your au Clameraica?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
A better sell in America than Rugby mark up to yesterday?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, that that is true. I just wanted what was
your marathon time yesterday? Andrew.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I happened to be driving to work over the Harbor
Bridge at the same time as people were slogging up
the bridge, and I did it did into my mind
at one stage maybe give it a crack next year,
But then did you? I took a believe that then,
But then I I reached into the breakfast food bag
on the passengers seat.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Another another donut. Now, Jason, this all blacks thing. I
actually I've called it four from four and I think
I'm home free now because I don't think they're going
to lose the other three. First half was dreadful. Second
half we sort of came to life and good Win's
a good win.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Last twenty minutes were great. First hour, Yeah, there's some
work ons there. Look, I think they came home strong.
They did what All Blacks teams used to do and
that has come over the top of teams in the
last twenty minutes and when with good bench impact. I
think Wallace Titi had his best test of the year
for one. I actually yeah, as Andrews said, it's a
heart cell. When it took us twenty minutes to get
(07:32):
to the eleventh minute of that game.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That was embarrassing. Was not working, I mean that's a job.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Was Yeah, it was Look. I think the All Blacks
were very happy with the win. You beat Ireland. That's
the first time since twenty thirteen we've beaten Ireland three
tests in a row exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and England.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
The Irish are terrible.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, but who cares. When to win, you play, you play.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Let me finish.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
The All Blacks were good and like Jason said it
think it brought back memories of All Black teams of
oh with a pounded them in the last twenty The
bench was very good, which has been an issue under
Scott robertson the last year and a half. So I
thought the bench played well. Thought Leicester fining Anuku and
Quinn Tupai. I think we're going to see that midfield
combo more Fabian Holland clearly he's had this fantastic season
(08:21):
and carries on carrying on, and Ardie Savia I thought
was immense as well. So but then I looked at
England against Australia, Mike, and England will be a stiff challenge. Yes,
they're starting to throw the ball around Moore and if
you watch the Premiership that they're playing in at the
moment that there's been a lot of attacking rugby.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So they'll be a three.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, but they're the second one and once it was
Scotland this week will kill him. England were little the
interesting and Wales, you know, kick him up the pants,
come on home, Merry Christmas, simple as that.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yes, it'll be interesting to see what he does against
Scotland selection wise, because it is a potentially as a
banana is going to have you use that they're playing. Okay,
Scotland better than they perhaps have, but I feel like
you've got to play close to your best team against Scotland,
then against England, and then Wales would probably give everybody
a run who hasn't had a lot of rugby. So yeah,
you're right, like they're on track for four from four.
(09:10):
I think you know they were down what thirteen seven, yes,
yesterday they could have lost that Test match, you know,
until they got some cohesion in the second half and
at the back end as well. I thought, as Andrew said,
I think Holland was good. But josh Lord, you know,
off the bench way earlier than we thought he would be.
Guy we haven't seen a lot of. Really, I thought
he really stood up to could be a seminal moment
(09:31):
for Joshua.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Just quickly Andrew came Williamson. I mean this retiring these
days where you retire but you don't really retire. What
what does it mean? He's still around, doesn't he So
he's not really retired.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Well, he hadn't played he hadn't played T twenties for
in z for I think year eighteen months, so not
a great surprise. And he'll continue with the odd one
day game. I think. I think Test cricket is still
as ultimate. But then of course, like many others, he'll
go around the world and play in T twenty league
exactly very well for him, which it's a professional sport.
(10:02):
You can't you know, you can't deny the guy there.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You see the motor racing Jason over the weekend of
all No, I didn't. Hampton Down's beautiful, absolutely fantastic first
of the season under clear blue skies, nice big crowd
at Hampton Downs. They come back and Jan just absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Why don't they race the supercars there?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's a good question. Size is my is my guess,
and you get a different experience in TAPO. But yeah, no,
it's a it's a it's a fair question. And I
think they're going to And I think there are two
rounds of supercars coming as it next year or the
year after, two New Zealand rounds of supercars, and one
of them will be I think at Hampton Downs. But
I'm open to correction on that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Your job today, Mike is to listen to your own
podcast of the Dame Nolen Interview and try and work
out what's going on that's true.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Hey, I got to find the truth. Yeah, I'm gonna Well,
I know my truth. I stand in my truth here
this morning, Jason.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And when I wouldn't trust your truth.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
When you're standing in your truth, you're standing in your truth.
You know you're in your truth. You can swim in
your truth, you can drink in your truth. You can
lie in your truth, but you're in your truth at all.
On you know who I got on the program tomorrow.
But of a scoop. You're ready for this, yep, Liam Lawson,
go on, there we go. You can you can have
(11:13):
some of the I'll leave you some of the taped
bits Jason for your Saturday show, and you can play
the highway.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Here's something like preppeared earlier.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Nice to see Andrew Seville and Jason Pier.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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Speaker 3 (11:30):
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Andrew seervels with us along with Jason pine Fellows. Good
Morning Monic, Morning mate, Andrew, what do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Wow? We want the truth, but it seems Nitball believes
we can't handle the truth. Quite odd Really, was that
Dame Noling Totra wouldn't know what she's done wrong and
there was no investigation?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Do you believe that? Here's what I took out of it.
I believe there was no investigation because she was unequivocal
in that. I believe that she wasn't told directly. But
what I can't believe is the rest of it. In
my truth, I've got lawyers. I mean, clearly she's been
shut down and there's some sort of NDA, and if
you're going to stay that will apologize internally or will
(00:45):
do whatever's necessary, but don't go back as publicly. I
think that's what.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Even under employment law, wouldn't she still be told what
she has done apparently wrong?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Of course, of course, not just employment law, but common sense.
If you called into a meet of such gravity and
then not told the reason why you are there, like
you asked her, Mike, what have they been doing for
two months? If not telling her the nature of the
allegations against her. I think we can all put ourselves
(01:15):
in her position and say, if we're called into a
meeting about our employment and told that our employment is
under question in severe risk, and yet not told why
we are even sitting in that room. I mean, I
just don't think most of us can can get our
head around what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, well, here the thing is, Mike teams talk, players talk,
management talk. Should be well aware of who the players were,
yes or are that that complained? And I'm sure she'd
be this type of coach type of person that would
sit down with those players and say, look, da da
da da da, do you want to play for me
or not? If you don't bug her off?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Sure, exactly, yep. But that's what that's the part I
can't understand. And I mean I was going to say,
to be better to interview Jenny Wiley or Matt winner A,
but the problem is they won't say anything because they've
said nothing through the whole process. But the difficult I mean,
the timeline from February to October, where if you believe
Taru and nothing happened apart from a lot of lawyers
(02:13):
and acts, seems the most astonishing mismanagement of a process
I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And the problem, like, is that publicly, so many of
these sports into these days, whether it's management, coaches or whatever,
they enter into this corporate babble that no one understands
apart from them and the public, the paying public who
pay their TV subscriptions or pay their game tickets, pay
their wages basically and none the wiser.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, and it just moves us further and further away
from common sense. Let's just talk like normal adult human
beings here. Let's just look. If there's allegations against Dame
Noling Todua, I'd want to know what they are. Tell
me what they are, Let's address them. Let's address those
concerns and then come out and at least, at the
(02:59):
very least say there are concerns around her training's been
too tough, or the way she treats players who have
been dropped, or whatever it might be. We're all adults,
we can all handle the truth, ask the truth.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I tend to agree. And what I found interesting is,
I mean, I don't know what you do, Andrew in
the sense, I wouldn't be back if we take her
at her word, and from what we know I wouldn't
have been back because who wants to work with a
bunch of dicads like that?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
If it was horrific, that's the word she used then.
And there's no reason to doubt Dame Nolen on that front.
And if it's been handled the way it seems to
have been handled and looks outwardly the way it's been handled,
then you'd be off.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, ye, why would you want to work for an organization?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And also you can understand why so many leading players
that are going to Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean there was the reporters last
week about the number of people have left netball in
New Zealand, you know, the people you've never heard of,
the comms team and the PRT marketing team. The churn
in the place apparently is dreadful and it says something.
But the interesting thing about that for me, Jason, is
there's millions of dollars of taxpayers money goes into the sport.
(04:08):
I mean, they are the recipient of taxpayers money. They've
got to be held accountable, don't they they do?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yep. It gives us a stake in it, absolutely, it
gives us a stake in it and a right to
at least expect them to do better than they've done.
This needs to be a cautionary tail. It needs to
be a seminal moment. And I don't know what you do, Mike,
is it? I mean, this is this feels operational to me.
So Jumy Wiley, I think is the one who has
to has to, you know, at least be under some
(04:34):
scrutiny here. It'll go down as one of the most
chambolic chapters in sports administration in our country.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Coudn't agree more. And Rayleian Castle, I guess Andrew needs
to answer because she's in charge of the elite end
of the handing out of the lolly. So I don't
know where she is. I mean, and you know she's
got to have something to say about it, doesn't I mean,
you know, given her netball connections apart from anything else.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Mike's talking to someone over the weekend in another sport
at a hyper performances to live when they said they're
having a high performance get together in a few weeks
of various sports at a high performance level. Guess where
the meeting is Nitball New Zealand. Of that person laughed
that person laughed.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I'll get to the guys. I'll get to the rugby
in just a couple of moments. But real quick, just
let's bolt through this. This is stuff I saw over
the weekend. I just want to know what's going on.
So Jason Auckland, I see a bit of the game,
beautiful day, no crowd, what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, it's an interesting one. What they've actually done because
they've moved the members over to the broadcast side. So
when you used to watch on TV, all of the
crowd on the other side was full. That was the members.
Apparently the members don't like sitting in the sun that much,
so they've moved them back over to the other side.
I don't know, eleven thousand, it's fewer than they would
(05:48):
have hoped. I'm sure. Is there a bit of fatigue?
I don't know. They're unbeaten. Good one Derby this week
and walling to.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Look for Do you see the Dodgers yesterday? Andrew?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah? I did? Yeah? What a game?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
How good?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean game that the Dodgers were down three to two,
they level at three all, and then we have yesterday's game,
which they were down through pretty much the whole game,
made it to the extra innings and then win the game.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Outstanding sporting drama in theater, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
If you ever want to sell baseball, that's the way
to do it. Just quickly, Andrew, what was your au Clameraica?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
A better sell in America than Rugby mark up to yesterday?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, that that is true. I just wanted what was
your marathon time yesterday? Andrew.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I happened to be driving to work over the Harbor
Bridge at the same time as people were slogging up
the bridge, and I did it did into my mind
at one stage maybe give it a crack next year,
But then did you? I took a believe that then,
But then I I reached into the breakfast food bag
on the passengers seat.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Another another donut. Now, Jason, this all blacks thing. I
actually I've called it four from four and I think
I'm home free now because I don't think they're going
to lose the other three. First half was dreadful. Second
half we sort of came to life and good Win's
a good win.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Last twenty minutes were great. First hour, Yeah, there's some
work ons there. Look, I think they came home strong.
They did what All Blacks teams used to do and
that has come over the top of teams in the
last twenty minutes and when with good bench impact. I
think Wallace Titi had his best test of the year
for one. I actually yeah, as Andrews said, it's a
heart cell. When it took us twenty minutes to get
(07:32):
to the eleventh minute of that game.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
That was embarrassing. Was not working, I mean that's a job.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Was Yeah, it was Look. I think the All Blacks
were very happy with the win. You beat Ireland. That's
the first time since twenty thirteen we've beaten Ireland three
tests in a row exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and England.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
The Irish are terrible.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, but who cares. When to win, you play, you play.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Let me finish.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
The All Blacks were good and like Jason said it
think it brought back memories of All Black teams of
oh with a pounded them in the last twenty The
bench was very good, which has been an issue under
Scott robertson the last year and a half. So I
thought the bench played well. Thought Leicester fining Anuku and
Quinn Tupai. I think we're going to see that midfield
combo more Fabian Holland clearly he's had this fantastic season
(08:21):
and carries on carrying on, and Ardie Savia I thought
was immense as well. So but then I looked at
England against Australia, Mike, and England will be a stiff challenge. Yes,
they're starting to throw the ball around Moore and if
you watch the Premiership that they're playing in at the
moment that there's been a lot of attacking rugby.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So they'll be a three.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, but they're the second one and once it was
Scotland this week will kill him. England were little the
interesting and Wales, you know, kick him up the pants,
come on home, Merry Christmas, simple as that.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yes, it'll be interesting to see what he does against
Scotland selection wise, because it is a potentially as a
banana is going to have you use that they're playing. Okay,
Scotland better than they perhaps have, but I feel like
you've got to play close to your best team against Scotland,
then against England, and then Wales would probably give everybody
a run who hasn't had a lot of rugby. So yeah,
you're right, like they're on track for four from four.
(09:10):
I think you know they were down what thirteen seven, yes,
yesterday they could have lost that Test match, you know,
until they got some cohesion in the second half and
at the back end as well. I thought, as Andrew said,
I think Holland was good. But josh Lord, you know,
off the bench way earlier than we thought he would be.
Guy we haven't seen a lot of. Really, I thought
he really stood up to could be a seminal moment
(09:31):
for Joshua.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Just quickly Andrew came Williamson. I mean this retiring these
days where you retire but you don't really retire. What
what does it mean? He's still around, doesn't he So
he's not really retired.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Well, he hadn't played he hadn't played T twenties for
in z for I think year eighteen months, so not
a great surprise. And he'll continue with the odd one
day game. I think. I think Test cricket is still
as ultimate. But then of course, like many others, he'll
go around the world and play in T twenty league
exactly very well for him, which it's a professional sport.
(10:02):
You can't you know, you can't deny the guy there.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You see the motor racing Jason over the weekend of
all No, I didn't. Hampton Down's beautiful, absolutely fantastic first
of the season under clear blue skies, nice big crowd
at Hampton Downs. They come back and Jan just absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Why don't they race the supercars there?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's a good question. Size is my is my guess,
and you get a different experience in TAPO. But yeah, no,
it's a it's a it's a fair question. And I
think they're going to And I think there are two
rounds of supercars coming as it next year or the
year after, two New Zealand rounds of supercars, and one
of them will be I think at Hampton Downs. But
I'm open to correction on that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Your job today, Mike is to listen to your own
podcast of the Dame Nolen Interview and try and work
out what's going on that's true.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Hey, I got to find the truth. Yeah, I'm gonna Well,
I know my truth. I stand in my truth here
this morning, Jason.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And when I wouldn't trust your truth.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
When you're standing in your truth, you're standing in your truth.
You know you're in your truth. You can swim in
your truth, you can drink in your truth. You can
lie in your truth, but you're in your truth at all.
On you know who I got on the program tomorrow.
But of a scoop. You're ready for this, yep, Liam Lawson,
go on, there we go. You can you can have
(11:13):
some of the I'll leave you some of the taped
bits Jason for your Saturday show, and you can play
the highway.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Here's something like preppeared earlier.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Nice to see Andrew Seville and Jason Pier.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast
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