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November 23, 2025 11 mins

Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports.

On the table today: Auckland FC were not at their best as they struggled to a draw against Brisbane Roar.

The All Blacks have ended their northern tour on a positive after defeating Wales, but failed to secure their 'grand slam tour'.

And both McLaren's were disqualified from the Las Vegas Grand Prix as the title race heats up. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason Pine and Andrew Sevill, both with US fellows. Good
morning to you, Jason. How about the draw for Auckland
f C.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Ah, Yes, I know you would have been riveted to that.
Mic and Steve Coriker afterwards pulling no punches saying nobody
played well, we were all terrible. I can't single out
a single player who enhanced their reputation or redeem themselves.
So yeah, one one out of the box. Raukland f
C have been good, good obviously, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
But I wor to do Lisa, Lisa was a wontiful day.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well that was right, yea, at least it was a
nice day at Mount Smart.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Can you tell me, Andrew just I don't. I don't
follow this close enough so I'm not an expert, but
it appears just before we get into the you know,
the national disposition of bagging the All Blacks. So Australia
seems to have had a rubbish season. We all at
some point have lost to somebody and it's all in all.
I'm just not sure that that the All Blacks affected.

(00:57):
I mean, you know they won most of their tests,
they lost three times. The end of the world, is it?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
You have ten to agree? In most parts ten ten
wins out of thirteen. But I think it was the
three losses that will really bite that record. Losses of
Africa away to Argentina and then the English game where
the English probably should have won by more, but you
factor and they had six or seven frontline players back

(01:22):
home injured. That's a factor, Mike. But but on the
other side, there's a lot of twos and frozen pros
and cons here. But the other side, Mike, is that
they played a French B team if you can call
it that, back in July and barely beat them three times.
You play, if we look at if we look at listen,
if we look at this Northern two and our compared

(01:43):
to last year and in general, have the All Blacks
moved forward in a big way, and you'd have to
say overall, no.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
But here's my thing. And I learned this in twenty
fifteen as I stood at you and I Andrew, you'll
remember it well, as we stood outside Twickenham in the.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Early you left early to beat the traffic.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, of course, of course I did a World Cup finally,
of course I did. But the point being, as we
still all that's all that matters, Like If we win
the World Cup, that's all that matters. Could none of
this is going to be remembered for a minute.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
But as we said last week, if you look at
if you look at France, of Africa, even Ireland, maybe England,
would the All Blacks beat them in a World Cup
knockout game at the moment is not.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
The World Cup. That's that's my point. My point is
that I take all your points and look.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I agree there are green shoots there in some in
some areas of their play and and the team that
beat Wales and beat them well in the end was
a totally new look team that hadn't played together before,
trained a lot together, but hadn't played a lot together.
So I think you've got a factor that in as well.
But overall, is this all Black side making big improvements,

(02:57):
big movements forward?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
No, Jason.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I think next year yeah, next year is going to
be massive with this tour of South Africa. Four tests
over there, well, three in South Africa, one that are
yet to be disclosed neutral location. Look, I think you know,
after two years we all expected that there would be improvement.
As we said last week, there hasn't really been. But
if a year from now we're talking and the All

(03:20):
Blacks have at least squared that series in South Africa,
then maybe we can be having a different conversation. You're right, Mike,
it doesn't actually matter. What matters is where we are
in late November twenty twenty seven. If Razor is breakdancing
that night in Sydney or the Rugby World Cup finalists,
we won't remember any of this. Yeah, But I think
as we sit here today we are able to assess

(03:42):
an All Black side that hasn't shown the improvement we
all hoped that they would under.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Him and Mike, I think New Zealand fans and we're
a little bit different, right. The South Africans lose the
odd lose there have lost the odd game, you know,
they lost to the Wallabies this year. They're developing a
heck of a lot of players. But in this country,
as you know, winners demanded every week.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Right, That's good. Well, that's that's what That's what I'm
trying to say. It's got to stop. It's I mean,
would be great to win every week, fantastic, but the
world's moved on. The sport is different. You know, they've
caught up with us. This idea that we don't expect
any sport or any team in the world to win
every game every time. It's ludicrous. All we're doing is
opening ourselves up for disappointment.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
But you expect the team now two years under the
same coaches who have made more improvement.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Okay, yeah, and I think that their legacy of the
side is built on an expectation of excellence as well. Mike,
you know you're right it is. It's fanciful to expect
they'll win every week. But we still expect that they'll
win every week because they are the All Blacks and
we remember the team and year steam roll other teams.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yes, it was a new team at the weekend, but
they let Wales in for four tries second high score
on thirty percent of the ball.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Good tries.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
It shouldn't happen.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
They got let's replay Bollocks's let's have a lot nineteen times.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
What's happened on this Northern tour is that the tmos
have taken over. You can hear them in the referees
e sometimes on the TV coverage the whole game. They're
not just calling foul play and trace scoring movements. It's everything.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Surely somebody on top of rugby understands that looks and
that and goes us a bit boring. How long do
we have to wait?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
And the fact that, yeah, the fact that an eighty
minute game is now taking far, far longer, and yeah,
we're standing there all looking at a screen. Yeah, I
mean they're not. I mean they try the other day. Well, yesterday,
I think Damien mackenzie had taken the conversion for goodness sake,
and then they pulled it back after.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
That and the rule changes.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well does that?

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Do you know? I did three lots of ten sit
ups in the time that it took her, the referee,
to make a decision.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
You did three lots of ten sit ups across the
two hours that mismatched, in.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
The time it took her to make up her mind
as to whether it was a try or not. I said,
I'm not doing four lots of ten. Make your mind up.
Have you been gripped by the window?

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Can we just clarify? Sorry, you did you did more
than three sets of ten? Oh?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Of course I do eventually ten sets of ten. But
this was just the decision and trying to sort of
sort it out for goodness sake.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
So any how, much break between each set.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Fifteen twenty seconds some like. Then I guess, ten fifteen seconds,
I guess. Then we go to the squad.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's a great regime. It's a great.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Regime, the greater scheme and the great scheme of things.
One hundred seats, not many.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
No, but you do it every day. And if you
saw my abs, you'd go that's not bad. Also, you've
got some weight programs.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I've got very strong ebbs.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I looked at you on on the one day you
turn up last week. I looked at there were no
abs there, under that, under that chip, under that cheap,
tawdry wardrobe you call clothing, there was nothing there that
resembled abs. I've seen you say.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
It's just it's just an immovable fat on top of them.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Actually, are you on tonight? You're not? Are you no?
Because you've never been on any time I've ever asked you.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Not on?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Because you'll need a graph. You'll need a graph.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Okay, do your hundreds ups, you do your squat, you
do your daddy, then you eat your cheeses seeds and
your bloody great yogadal cycle.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Don't forget the bike. I do the bike.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Do you ever and the bike. Do you ever go?
Do you go?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Katie?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know what, I'm just letting myself go. I've had
enough of this clean living bollocks. I'm just gonna let
myself go. I'm getting the sausage rolls out of the freezer.
It's all on. There are no feel there are no
rolls in the free This facade.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's not it's not a facade or a charade. It's
it's it's it's it's a good, good, clean living. And
don't forget the sauna. Gotta have the sauna as well
every day. Anyway, what you need is, or tell whoever's
on tonight, you need a graphic to explain the if
one thing, the plate underneath Well no, no, no, not that,
I mean you can't explain that.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
But do you mean the points? The points?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I mean the potential for the points. The high
drama for the final race of the season is going
to be unbelievable. If it goes okay this weekend, he
might win this weekend. Norris might win this weekend. But
if he probably won't, I don't sense he won't, and
so he needs twenty six, right, So if he's not
ahead by twenty six, at the end of his weekend.

(08:07):
It's it's all the playful in the final race, and
that's that's too exciting for words, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
What it was?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I have to say, yeah, I felt sorry for Liam
on the first corner, right, what do you do? He yeah, well,
I'm exactly right, what do you do? And it just
completely wrecked his race three or four seconds into it,
you know, sixth on the grid. I had high hopes
that he might you know, as I understand that there's
places to pass on that on that course, I thought
this could be his best ever finish. And then after,

(08:35):
as I say, one corner, his race is wrecked, and
I guess that's f one for you. But it is that, Yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Is because if you look at the energy put in
the qualifying and he was brilliant. The qualifying, as always,
was actually the highlight of the weekend, especially given how
wet it was, and his skill in the wet is
as good as anybody's in better than most, and so
that's why he ended up sixty beat had Juri beat Sonoda.
I mean, he was. It was all playful, but you know,
if you can't get out of the first.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Course, he's got that seat, hasn't he He's got that,
no questions. Now, why don't they just come out and
say it?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Now ridiculous?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
It's just it's so odd. I mean, say, okay, he
is going up, so Nota's gone. Liam, You've got this
new kid coming in with you. Here's our seats for
next year.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Say it.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I don't know why they don't do that, Jason. Obviously
you know if you were running things that would be
completely different. But you know, absolutely it is how how much?
How many times would you have to be beaten up?
Like Dan Hooker got beaten up sev Did you see
his face?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I mean, at what point do you go?

Speaker 1 (09:35):
You know what? I can probably do without this?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, brutal sport. They train to an extreme pretty much
every day that people don't see. Yeah, and he's he
like yourself, he's taken. He's taken a fear of beating
in the last couple of fights, right. So Yeah, and
he's a smart cookie too. He'll know he'll know when
to he'll know when to chuck it in. You're yeah,

(10:01):
I think I think so. I think so.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I hope so exci me the cricket, Jason, I didn't
do that.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I want.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I wanted to know that I didn't did the I mean,
has anyone gripped by the West Indies? Has anyone? Has
that been good? Has that been exciting?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I haven't know that that hasn't really No. The ashes, though,
was so interesting. Isn't that everybody's forgotten how to play
Test cricket now? A Test match finishing inside.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Two days, it's two or three T twenties rolled into one,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think Australia Cricket. Australia lost five million in ticket
revenue four days three, mainly four and five because these
guys just don't want to beat anymore. What happened to
a bit of application building partnerships putting.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
A price on I saw at one stage on the
weekend one of the I think it was one of
the English batsmen let the ball go through to the
keeper outside off and I thought, oh that's foreign. It's
old school matches, two day Test matches.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
See you guys, we'll catch up.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
The Prime Minister confirm that the Premier selucts and confirm
when you're off.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, he said no, he's getting a bit excited and
a bit ahead of himself. He's coming on twice next week.
He's looked at the polls last week he said, Hoskin,
can I come on twice next week and do my
best to bump the numbers? But yes, Now the next
Friday he's in for the present, so he'll be wishing
me a very merry Christmas. So if you want to
offer me some presents next Monday for our final one,
then feel freedom, no holds barred and obviously no limit

(11:28):
on expenditure.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
It'll be an emotional time, I think so.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think what those steermasters. A steer master pray something
like that.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
First of December. A Santa hasn't even got off his
summer holiday.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yet, don't you worry. Nice to see you, Andrew Evil
and Jason Pinet.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
For more from the Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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Speaker 2 (11:48):
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