July 14, 2024 • 11 mins
Andrew Saville and Guy Heveldt joined Mike Hosking to discuss the All Blacks' narrow victory over England at Eden Park - and whether or not they're excited about the team's upcoming clash against Fiji.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Andrew Zell and Guy have eld with us on this
Monday morning. By the way, the Spanish have literally just
scored such one mill a couple of minutes into the
first half fellows, good morning, almost almost almost two nils.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, do you know Andrew, By the way,
what are the numbers for this this euros that you
(00:20):
guys are running a people watching it? What would you
get for you know, one of the bigger matches.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm I'm not one hundred percent short particular numbers, but
I know that England Games have rated the sots off
and that i'd say hundreds of thousands of viewers.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Right, so's it's it's it's been a success. Been a
couple English games then maybe not.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, some other games might have done okay, but I
think in particular English games it's done well.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Bowden Barrett, Guy, So explain, explain, Explain to me why
given me so good? Why don't you put him on
for the whole game.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's a it's a very good question. I think Peter
fitter Head play very well in Super Ruby, that he
probably deserved a crack first of all, and then played
very well. Oh, they just outscored and then played very
well in that first Test down and so I probably
deserved to crack again, but then voting Parrott came on
and need it and was very good. And then we
(01:16):
saw what he did on Saturday night that was arguably
the best off the bench performance, particularly that I've seen
from an All Black for ever some time. That he
changed the game. I don't he single handedly changed the game.
He was immense everywhere, attack, defense, tactically, he was just
brilliant and they needed a play like that because for
(01:38):
a while I felt like it looked like the All
Blacks are going to lose and last time.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think that. I think the new coach has made
a determination early on that Damian McKenzie is the starting
ten and that Stephen Perrafeta until Will Jordan comes back
in a few weeks. He was there starting fifteen in
those in the in the two big English Test matches,
and Bowden Barret off the bench. He started his career
off the bench and was outstanding then. So I think
(02:04):
we'll see more of them off the bench unless there's
a change of thinking, say in some of those bigger
games against South Africa later in the year.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But a couple of weeks ago when we talked about this,
Andrew I said, isn't it good to start the season
with something a bit different? And how good were the poems?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They were fantastic, Mike on and off the field. They're
very very easy to deal with, very entertaining chaps. On
the field. I thought they played some outstanding test match
football that rush defense, suffocating defense. They played very well
at the breakdown. They stifled a lot of the All
Blacks attack. They slowed the game down to try to
(02:41):
try and play it at their own pace, which is
an issue I think still for World Rugby and for
referees and that some of these teams, like South Africa
and England. They had a number of injuries during both
test matches. It didn't appear to be serious, but it
slowed the pace of the game down if you get
away with it. Good on them, but I thought no.
I thought they played and added into that mic they're
(03:04):
now playing an attacking style of football at times too,
which they're now finding the younger players who can do
that for the All Blacks new coaching staff. But there
were a lot of experienced test match footballers in that
All Black team and in two matches and I think
there have to be concerns about how they played the game. Yes,
(03:25):
two wins, but a lot of errors from a lot
of experienced rugby players in that All Black team, the
All Blacks, and they also need to find some new,
bigger ball runners in their forwards.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Guy, I cannot, for the life of me get excited
about San Diego. They told me a couple of weeks
ago it was sold out, and that's fantastic, But you know,
Fiji in San Diego, who cares.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I was literally just my wife and I were literally
just talking about this just before. It's a very strange.
I know why they're doing it. Obviously, they're trying to
break into the American market, but Fiji, after you just said,
with all to respect, we know the result and you've
just had two outstanding tests against a very good English side,
and you'll almost take a backward step in terms of
(04:09):
the contest. Anyway, It's on at a good time Saturday
two thirty, so maybe that'll play into their hands a
little bit in terms of people watching it back here
and it's the All Blacks of people always watch. But yeah,
it does kind of feel like a little bit of
deflation out of the balloon, shall we say, in terms
of the contest particularly anyway, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Spain almost scored again. It looks if you're following the game,
that Spain are going to win this doesn't I mean,
would you disagree with that, Andrew? I mean there are
a better side?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't disagree This year, the Spanish is
starting to open it up now. Yeah, they're looking very good,
very good.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's going to be unfortunate for the British that is.
Having said all of that, can I ask you, Andrew,
hand on heart Lulu Son, has she ever come around
to your place for a cup of tea? Do you
know it personally or do we all just pretend all
of a sudden that she's a own home, good old
Kiwi that we've been egging on for years and years
and years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, some of some of the fervor around lu Lusan
did surprise me. I mentioned to Andrew Dickens, who filled
in for you last week, Mike, that she hasn't come
through the New Zealand tennis system, so I can't. It's
sort of it's a you need to put it into
context that she's not a product of the new Zealand
(05:25):
tennis system. She left when she was young. She was
in the Swiss system, European tennis and then the American
college system. But if she's decided to pin her future
to the New Zealand flag, then I'm sure she'll get
a lot of support.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Oh no, but the media coverage guy and you would
have seen this. All of a sudden, there was New
Zealand bracing as Lulu Son. You're supposed to know who
she is is now going through to the quarterfinals of
wimble and it was just all made up.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, she was born in New Zealand, so's she's more
Kiwi than a lot of quote New Zealand sports people
that we do have playing for New Zealands a lot
of the time. Across Mario Sports. There are some people
who have been in New Zealand, who have who played
for New Zealand but have never been to New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
By the way, are you too cognizant? And we don't
have time to discuss it at length, and we should
next week. There seems to be a growing disquiet among
among athletes as to how they are selected or not
selected for the Olympic Games. It's there's been appeals. There's
the guys that I forget what he is as the
kite surfer McCartney's partner. There's been some serious question marks
(06:34):
around sailing as to who got it, who didn't get it,
what the criteria was, why at least I mean, is
that a buzz in the sports world or is it
just me?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And I think there's a lot more options available to athletes, Mike.
They know more about this, this Jewish system of appeal,
and I think more are probably willing to use it
if they if they firmly believe they've got a case,
a strong enough case. So just the sign of the
sign of the times, I think.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I also think it's got something to do with the
selection policy. And Sammy Maxwell, the mountain biker, her situation
is slightly different and excuse me, very complex, But the
rest of them, I think, I think because partly of
the selection policy, which is, if the ends of oc
dozens deem that you are going to finish or a
(07:25):
likelhood of finishing in the top sixteen, then you shouldn't
go to the Olympics. And if you remember back to
before Tokyo Zoe Hobbs, who is now a good chance
of being in an Olympic one hundred meter final, which
for a New Zealand woman would be an incredible feat.
She didn't get picked to go to Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's stupid because of exactly that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
She qualified, but she didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Get But you either go on time or you don't.
You know, if you can run the one hundred x time,
you're in. If you can't, you're out. Well if keeping
to agree and that whole, well, we don't think you
might make it. I mean, that's just asking for trouble.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
If you can qualify, then I think you should probably
get to go.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Sam, give me a read on the sale, GP, do
you have a feel for I cannot work out whether
anyone's interested in it or not.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh, I think the crowds around the world are pretty big.
I think. I think. I think TV audiences are reasonably
solid around the world. It's quite exciting when there's win.
The format is quite confusing. There's races here, races there.
The top two qualify, the top three qualify, the top
five qualifier, they go into a table and in another competition.
(08:31):
Then there's another competition on top of that. So I
think they probably need to just trim that down a
bit both. I think there's madam.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think it's a bit bizarre that you play and
then you play, you sail an entire season, and then
the entire result of that whole season comes down to
the one and only race at the end that last about.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think that's something to do with the money. Of course,
we've got to mention Scotty Mack. I happened to see
Scotty Mack win yesterday. So he's on an oval, So
that was his first went on an oval, and and
he said he wasn't going to call himself an indie
drive until he won on an oval. So that was good.
And he didn't quite do as well today, but nevertheless
he sees in the major Do you do you guys
a couple of a couple of viewing recommendations. Have either of
(09:13):
you seen Braun b R A W N on Disney
Keanu Reeves? No, must watch. It's you're gonna be a
bit of an F one nut like Keanu Reeves is.
But the story of Braun is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Is that Ross Braun.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
As in the guy who owned the team? Yes, I
think it is. Yeah, he was with Honda Honda pulled
the money, they got Virgin involved and they were the
team that sort of did amazing things on next Jensen
but Johnson Button exactly. So Jensen and Rubens Barrichello were
the two drivers at the time. Other one is Receivers.
(09:51):
You're watching Receivers.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I just started watching it. Actually, look it's very good, ye.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Armand Saint Brown. How cool is he?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, amazing story. His father was two time Mister
Universe and he had a weight training from a young age.
And I just some of the videoography in that, in
that quarterback series and now this receiver series. Mate, it's
just out of.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
This world is incrediblely and what I've what I find
uplifting about it is it's, yes, it's about football, but
it's more importantly about the individuals and what it takes
to achieve and succeed and where they come from. And
there's there's that you see the family connections and the
dads and the mums who gave up everything and the
whole thing. It's just I think it's just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And when you you look at some of those camera
angles and you realize that when you watch a normal,
say TV game of NFL, it looks hard, it looks fast,
but when the camera is a sideline and you realize
how fast the game is at that pace and how
brutal the game is, They're incredibly amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The athletes are incredible, so there must watch their top recommendation.
It's nice to see you guys. Will catch up next Monday.
As always, I'm gonna have Elt.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Andrew zeb for more from The Mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Listen live to news talks that'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Andrew Zell and Guy have eld with us on this
Monday morning. By the way, the Spanish have literally just
scored such one mill a couple of minutes into the
first half fellows, good morning, almost almost almost two nils.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, do you know Andrew, By the way,
what are the numbers for this this euros that you
(00:20):
guys are running a people watching it? What would you
get for you know, one of the bigger matches.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm I'm not one hundred percent short particular numbers, but
I know that England Games have rated the sots off
and that i'd say hundreds of thousands of viewers.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Right, so's it's it's it's been a success. Been a
couple English games then maybe not.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, some other games might have done okay, but I
think in particular English games it's done well.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Bowden Barrett, Guy, So explain, explain, Explain to me why
given me so good? Why don't you put him on
for the whole game.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's a it's a very good question. I think Peter
fitter Head play very well in Super Ruby, that he
probably deserved a crack first of all, and then played
very well. Oh, they just outscored and then played very
well in that first Test down and so I probably
deserved to crack again, but then voting Parrott came on
and need it and was very good. And then we
(01:16):
saw what he did on Saturday night that was arguably
the best off the bench performance, particularly that I've seen
from an All Black for ever some time. That he
changed the game. I don't he single handedly changed the game.
He was immense everywhere, attack, defense, tactically, he was just
brilliant and they needed a play like that because for
(01:38):
a while I felt like it looked like the All
Blacks are going to lose and last time.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think that. I think the new coach has made
a determination early on that Damian McKenzie is the starting
ten and that Stephen Perrafeta until Will Jordan comes back
in a few weeks. He was there starting fifteen in
those in the in the two big English Test matches,
and Bowden Barret off the bench. He started his career
off the bench and was outstanding then. So I think
(02:04):
we'll see more of them off the bench unless there's
a change of thinking, say in some of those bigger
games against South Africa later in the year.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But a couple of weeks ago when we talked about this,
Andrew I said, isn't it good to start the season
with something a bit different? And how good were the poems?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
They were fantastic, Mike on and off the field. They're
very very easy to deal with, very entertaining chaps. On
the field. I thought they played some outstanding test match
football that rush defense, suffocating defense. They played very well
at the breakdown. They stifled a lot of the All
Blacks attack. They slowed the game down to try to
(02:41):
try and play it at their own pace, which is
an issue I think still for World Rugby and for
referees and that some of these teams, like South Africa
and England. They had a number of injuries during both
test matches. It didn't appear to be serious, but it
slowed the pace of the game down if you get
away with it. Good on them, but I thought no.
I thought they played and added into that mic they're
(03:04):
now playing an attacking style of football at times too,
which they're now finding the younger players who can do
that for the All Blacks new coaching staff. But there
were a lot of experienced test match footballers in that
All Black team and in two matches and I think
there have to be concerns about how they played the game. Yes,
(03:25):
two wins, but a lot of errors from a lot
of experienced rugby players in that All Black team, the
All Blacks, and they also need to find some new,
bigger ball runners in their forwards.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Guy, I cannot, for the life of me get excited
about San Diego. They told me a couple of weeks
ago it was sold out, and that's fantastic, But you know,
Fiji in San Diego, who cares.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I was literally just my wife and I were literally
just talking about this just before. It's a very strange.
I know why they're doing it. Obviously, they're trying to
break into the American market, but Fiji, after you just said,
with all to respect, we know the result and you've
just had two outstanding tests against a very good English side,
and you'll almost take a backward step in terms of
(04:09):
the contest. Anyway, It's on at a good time Saturday
two thirty, so maybe that'll play into their hands a
little bit in terms of people watching it back here
and it's the All Blacks of people always watch. But yeah,
it does kind of feel like a little bit of
deflation out of the balloon, shall we say, in terms
of the contest particularly anyway, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Spain almost scored again. It looks if you're following the game,
that Spain are going to win this doesn't I mean,
would you disagree with that, Andrew? I mean there are
a better side?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't disagree This year, the Spanish is
starting to open it up now. Yeah, they're looking very good,
very good.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It's going to be unfortunate for the British that is.
Having said all of that, can I ask you, Andrew,
hand on heart Lulu Son, has she ever come around
to your place for a cup of tea? Do you
know it personally or do we all just pretend all
of a sudden that she's a own home, good old
Kiwi that we've been egging on for years and years
and years.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, some of some of the fervor around lu Lusan
did surprise me. I mentioned to Andrew Dickens, who filled
in for you last week, Mike, that she hasn't come
through the New Zealand tennis system, so I can't. It's
sort of it's a you need to put it into
context that she's not a product of the new Zealand
(05:25):
tennis system. She left when she was young. She was
in the Swiss system, European tennis and then the American
college system. But if she's decided to pin her future
to the New Zealand flag, then I'm sure she'll get
a lot of support.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Oh no, but the media coverage guy and you would
have seen this. All of a sudden, there was New
Zealand bracing as Lulu Son. You're supposed to know who
she is is now going through to the quarterfinals of
wimble and it was just all made up.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, she was born in New Zealand, so's she's more
Kiwi than a lot of quote New Zealand sports people
that we do have playing for New Zealands a lot
of the time. Across Mario Sports. There are some people
who have been in New Zealand, who have who played
for New Zealand but have never been to New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
By the way, are you too cognizant? And we don't
have time to discuss it at length, and we should
next week. There seems to be a growing disquiet among
among athletes as to how they are selected or not
selected for the Olympic Games. It's there's been appeals. There's
the guys that I forget what he is as the
kite surfer McCartney's partner. There's been some serious question marks
(06:34):
around sailing as to who got it, who didn't get it,
what the criteria was, why at least I mean, is
that a buzz in the sports world or is it
just me?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And I think there's a lot more options available to athletes, Mike.
They know more about this, this Jewish system of appeal,
and I think more are probably willing to use it
if they if they firmly believe they've got a case,
a strong enough case. So just the sign of the
sign of the times, I think.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I also think it's got something to do with the
selection policy. And Sammy Maxwell, the mountain biker, her situation
is slightly different and excuse me, very complex, But the
rest of them, I think, I think because partly of
the selection policy, which is, if the ends of oc
dozens deem that you are going to finish or a
(07:25):
likelhood of finishing in the top sixteen, then you shouldn't
go to the Olympics. And if you remember back to
before Tokyo Zoe Hobbs, who is now a good chance
of being in an Olympic one hundred meter final, which
for a New Zealand woman would be an incredible feat.
She didn't get picked to go to Tokyo.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's stupid because of exactly that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
She qualified, but she didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Get But you either go on time or you don't.
You know, if you can run the one hundred x time,
you're in. If you can't, you're out. Well if keeping
to agree and that whole, well, we don't think you
might make it. I mean, that's just asking for trouble.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
If you can qualify, then I think you should probably
get to go.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Sam, give me a read on the sale, GP, do
you have a feel for I cannot work out whether
anyone's interested in it or not.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh, I think the crowds around the world are pretty big.
I think. I think. I think TV audiences are reasonably
solid around the world. It's quite exciting when there's win.
The format is quite confusing. There's races here, races there.
The top two qualify, the top three qualify, the top
five qualifier, they go into a table and in another competition.
(08:31):
Then there's another competition on top of that. So I
think they probably need to just trim that down a
bit both. I think there's madam.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I think it's a bit bizarre that you play and
then you play, you sail an entire season, and then
the entire result of that whole season comes down to
the one and only race at the end that last about.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think that's something to do with the money. Of course,
we've got to mention Scotty Mack. I happened to see
Scotty Mack win yesterday. So he's on an oval, So
that was his first went on an oval, and and
he said he wasn't going to call himself an indie
drive until he won on an oval. So that was good.
And he didn't quite do as well today, but nevertheless
he sees in the major Do you do you guys
a couple of a couple of viewing recommendations. Have either of
(09:13):
you seen Braun b R A W N on Disney
Keanu Reeves? No, must watch. It's you're gonna be a
bit of an F one nut like Keanu Reeves is.
But the story of Braun is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Is that Ross Braun.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
As in the guy who owned the team? Yes, I
think it is. Yeah, he was with Honda Honda pulled
the money, they got Virgin involved and they were the
team that sort of did amazing things on next Jensen
but Johnson Button exactly. So Jensen and Rubens Barrichello were
the two drivers at the time. Other one is Receivers.
(09:51):
You're watching Receivers.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I just started watching it. Actually, look it's very good, ye.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Armand Saint Brown. How cool is he?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, amazing story. His father was two time Mister
Universe and he had a weight training from a young age.
And I just some of the videoography in that, in
that quarterback series and now this receiver series. Mate, it's
just out of.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
This world is incrediblely and what I've what I find
uplifting about it is it's, yes, it's about football, but
it's more importantly about the individuals and what it takes
to achieve and succeed and where they come from. And
there's there's that you see the family connections and the
dads and the mums who gave up everything and the
whole thing. It's just I think it's just fantastic.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And when you you look at some of those camera
angles and you realize that when you watch a normal,
say TV game of NFL, it looks hard, it looks fast,
but when the camera is a sideline and you realize
how fast the game is at that pace and how
brutal the game is, They're incredibly amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
The athletes are incredible, so there must watch their top recommendation.
It's nice to see you guys. Will catch up next Monday.
As always, I'm gonna have Elt.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Andrew zeb for more from The Mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Listen live to news talks that'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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