September 22, 2024 • 11 mins
Andrew Saville and Guy Heveldt join Mike Hosking to discuss the Bledisloe Cup, Argentina’s victory over South Africa, Black Caps v Sri Lanka, AFL and making baseball history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guy have El Sa Andrew Savill both well us fellows.
Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, Mike.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I notice very kind of you to get up early
in the morning all day. You're just back from your
morning run, sab or you're gonna bounce into that at
about eight thirty.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Well, excuse me. I'm motivated to get out on a
bat mite because it's light here at about five thirty
in the morning, which is fantastic And isn't Sydney't bean
to Sydney much over the recent past, but isn't it
a vibrant city? You can understand how many why so
(00:33):
many keywis are shifting over here, compared to say Auckland,
which just seems to be constant doom and gloomy. Get
over here and it's vibrant, everything's alive, that's sunny. People
have a great attitude. I've really enjoyed the.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Last money should say that.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Did you notice that when you suggested a run his
body just involuntarily.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I watched you say I happened to see you on Friday,
and I saw you standing there on the waterfront there
and and I felt the same even though it wasn't
even there. I felt the same and Sydney is one
of my favorite places in the world. And you get
it on a day like you had it, and obviously
the game day was the same, and the harbor is
flat and the sky is blue and it's nice and warm,
and people are at the beach because it's you just think,
(01:17):
that's that's what draws people from all over the world
to Australia.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And you walk into a bar, restaurant, a cafe here
and they welcome you and it's great to see you.
Get a mate, how's it going out? Can we help
you go? And you walk into a cafe at bar
and Orphan's like, what do you want? No, the kitchen's closed, mate,
we're closing. See you later. You know, it's so true.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Closes the kitchen closes when you walk because I don't
know I.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Got the food. Nah, we ran out of those. No,
we ran out of chicken.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, mate, it's so true. Do you know. I was
talking with somebody just in the in the staff kitchen
a moment ago I before we get into this bagging
of the all blacks and all that sort of stuff,
and I do so. The South African result is a
very good example. I actually enjoyed the game. I thought
the game was a good game, and yes, we could
(02:07):
have done some things better, but then again, the Australians
came to life and you've got to give Schmidt some
some credit for that. And that's my est.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, it is, it is. I think twenty one mil
up after forty to fifteen minutes, I thought that Black's
going to stick sixty or seventy on them. The All
Blacks should have won by more. Yes, they made more
mistakes in that second half, and that's still an ongoing
concern that they're not finishing games properly. I don't think
you can blame the bench. I think it's a combination
of factors. I think clearly Bowden Bart was ruled out
(02:35):
through illness. I think a few of the other players
copped a bug during the week as well, maybe Damien McKenzie,
who just looked a little bit off color. We a Yes,
you've got to give credit to Joe Schmidt and Mike Kron.
They worked a near miracle with this Wallaby team during
the past week. They don't have the cattle the All
Blacks do, but gee, they played well in that second
(02:56):
half when they came back.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Did you watch it and enjoy it. Guy, Are you
too immersed in the horses now to pay any attention
to anything outside of Gg's.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, I'll be honest. I was working, so I didn't
watch it live, but I have seen it. I am
I'm similar to you. I don't think it's something to
get all up in arms about, like some people seem
to be doing. But what I do kind of worry
about is that it's the same problems in the sense
that it's disciplined. Two more yellow cards. You can't afford
(03:28):
to really play a rugby game with let's say, twenty
minutes with fourteen men at it on occasions, yeah, exactly,
and then, as Sev says, the last twenty minutes or
so tests at the moments, they can't seem to score points.
I saw Nick Beauley, who does the sport down in
christ Church for you and sometimes reads on your show,
(03:48):
put out a stat that the All Blacks and the
Rugby Championship haven't scored a point past the sixty minute
mark in this competition this year. So that's got to
be a concern. I am slightly worried about, not necessarily
the bench as such, and I think I've said this
in the last couple of weeks, but more so the depth.
I think this All Blacks team that probably has thirteen
(04:08):
to fifteen good players and then maybe not as much
in the next eight or so. And let's be honest,
rugby in this day and age is a twenty three
man game. This is frum and you need twenty three plays.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You're worried about the crowd sab I mean, it's a
big stadium, so you can give them that, But I
mean it didn't look even close to being full. I
mean there was sixteen or something like that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
No, it was just under seventy and it holds about
eighty eighty three, so I actually thought it was I
thought it was a good crowd that it went flat
on several occasions, especially when a team goes up twenty
one mili so quickly. But no, I thought the Assie
Rugby Union did quite well. Given you had the massive
Sydney Swan's game Friday night, you have two Rugby League
semi finals, which I note the Cronella game was nowhere
(04:52):
near a sellout in the middle of town. But I
thought I thought the crowd was very good. A lot
of All Black supporters are either expats or people that
had come across. And they do it well at the
stadium too, and it empties very quickly. Great transports. Well,
you see, we would go on and on and on,
and I can go on and on.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And it's in the middle of nowhere. And that's that's
the reason it empties, is because everyone's one hundred miles
away from where they live.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Well not I meant.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
A mile out of town.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, no, no, no, listen. Listen. When I hadn't been
back to Olympic Park for many years, and when the
Olympics were on, it was just four or five or
six venues and that was it. There was nothing else here.
But now there's apartment's, hotels, it's all built up. It's
actually very close to the city.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's no closer to the city now than it used
to be, sad, because neither had been moved in the
ensuing years.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But they've built new They've built a couple of new
tunnels since the Sydney game, so it only takes about
fifteen twenty minutes maps from the city.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You're loving Sydney guy, Lydia co this morning. Can't stop winning.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Wow. We yeah, what a year she is having. I
don't really know how to sum it up to be honest,
and Olympic gold medal of British Open title and now
another LPGA to a title. I thinks, what it's a
citious professional win. It's just remarkable. I hope I hope
New Zealanders realize how good she is because, and I
(06:13):
think I said this after the Olympics, she is only
going to be around for a couple more years. She's
made that pretty clear, So soak it and well you can.
It's an incredible career. Very lucky to have seen her
live a couple of times, and the fact that she's
kind of gone through a bit of a slump as
well in the last few years and now has got
back to where she is, got back to her best
(06:34):
in a time where women's golf is probably the toughest
that it's been in terms of competition, in terms of
the depths and that sort of thing. I think it's
a remarkable feast.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
What didn't she's twenty three under.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Nine under today.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, but she's in that zone. She's unbeatable.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Right Once you once you believe you can win, you
can win. It's it's as simple as that's out works.
Do you have any thing you said with what happened
over the weekend in London to fix Joseph Parker, I mean,
how does that thing get stitched together?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
If it will? Yeah, it was a big upset. That's
for Anthony Joshua Jesus stocks have gone through the floor.
Daniel Dubois would be a great opponent for Joseph Parker.
I think they will try to make that in December,
but there's a lot of obviously in boxing, a lot
of moving parts to put into place. I'd love to
see Parker on that Oosick Fury card in December in Saudi,
(07:29):
and let's hope that happens. He can find an opponent.
The problem where the problem is that Parker's resurgence has
frightened a few people off. That's that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That is true, Lawson. To be confirmed, it'll be this
week or next.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Very interesting, it'll be good.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And let me just put this one forward for you.
He's got the last six races of the season and
with the possibility of being reviewed obviously for what answer
red Bulle itself.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So r B for the last six races, Yes, yep.
And we heard a clip there in the news from
Ricarda he's.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Done, it's over. The only thing they cocked up is
the announcement, because if you look at what he looked
like over the weekend, he looked miserable and it was
just it was one of those ridiculous things whereby everybody
knows what's going on, he just couldn't say so. And
you saw an interview with Horner and he was equally
as weird about it all. And the whole thing's just silly.
(08:30):
But it may Lawson gets six races and if he's
like hot, as in really hot, do not be surprised
if he ends up in Red Bull.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And so what you're saying is they could drop Perries
back to well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
There, Well, I mean that there's several things at play,
one of them Sonoda, of course, who I am assuming
would back himself to be in Red Bull ahead of Lawson.
But equally Peries may get dropped back or may get
booted out altogether. Because where Peers came this morning, it
came tenth, You got one point.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And assuming it happens, isn't this fantastic for New Zealand
New Zealand Sport. He's in a sport which has produced
another Formula One driver which is quite extraordinary given the
only twenty seats per year, right exactly is the extraordinary
bit of it of a You compare that to say
a footballer making the EPL, or a basketball like Adam's
(09:22):
making the NBA, which is fantastic in itself with quite extraordinary,
but if one with twenty seats and the key we
to be driving for a top team is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And when when when Brindan Hartley was in it a
few years ago now, the excitement around, you know, people
getting into one and that sort of thing was fantastic.
And I don't read this with any disrespect to Brendan
Hartley at all, but Liam Lawson has one points already
and if one so, I feel like he's probably more
ready and more capable of achieving some pretty bloody good things.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And that's in that class exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You're seeing a new generation to hang in there, to
hang in there with red ball and and not grizzle
and have a great approach as Liam Lawson always does,
smart head, engineering wise, driving wise clearly increases everybody in
that team. And if one paddock and doesn't have the
mega millions of others who aren't that good a driver
(10:17):
but get drives because they've got the mula again. Is
another factor that has got Liam Lawson into one.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Gets on very well with Max as well as far
as I can tell, which I think might help him
a lot. He might be able to learn quite a
few things from him, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
All right, did you see a Taney by the way,
either of you on Friday at the LA Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Didn't see it. But what I've read about it the
remarkable what he did in one single game, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, well he got a whole It was fifty to
fifty for the season, so fifty home runs and fifty
stolen bases. But in fact he got fifty one to
fifty two stolen bases by the end of the game.
But no one literally in the history of baseball ever
has done it. It's not like a new it's a
brands making new record. Anyway, you enjoy you there for
a couple of days, save a couple of days shopping.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
A day off, day off today on the series, having
a look around town, another couple of happy hours to
a teen fifteen dollar chicken, a couple of fifteen dollar chicken,
Schnitty's mic and the world's a great place. Australia is fantastic.
I'm not coming home mate.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Good on you, nice, nice to see you and catch
you next Monday. Andrew sebil and Ghols.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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Guy have El Sa Andrew Savill both well us fellows.
Good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, Mike.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I notice very kind of you to get up early
in the morning all day. You're just back from your
morning run, sab or you're gonna bounce into that at
about eight thirty.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Well, excuse me. I'm motivated to get out on a
bat mite because it's light here at about five thirty
in the morning, which is fantastic And isn't Sydney't bean
to Sydney much over the recent past, but isn't it
a vibrant city? You can understand how many why so
(00:33):
many keywis are shifting over here, compared to say Auckland,
which just seems to be constant doom and gloomy. Get
over here and it's vibrant, everything's alive, that's sunny. People
have a great attitude. I've really enjoyed the.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Last money should say that.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Did you notice that when you suggested a run his
body just involuntarily.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I watched you say I happened to see you on Friday,
and I saw you standing there on the waterfront there
and and I felt the same even though it wasn't
even there. I felt the same and Sydney is one
of my favorite places in the world. And you get
it on a day like you had it, and obviously
the game day was the same, and the harbor is
flat and the sky is blue and it's nice and warm,
and people are at the beach because it's you just think,
(01:17):
that's that's what draws people from all over the world
to Australia.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And you walk into a bar, restaurant, a cafe here
and they welcome you and it's great to see you.
Get a mate, how's it going out? Can we help
you go? And you walk into a cafe at bar
and Orphan's like, what do you want? No, the kitchen's closed, mate,
we're closing. See you later. You know, it's so true.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Closes the kitchen closes when you walk because I don't
know I.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Got the food. Nah, we ran out of those. No,
we ran out of chicken.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, mate, it's so true. Do you know. I was
talking with somebody just in the in the staff kitchen
a moment ago I before we get into this bagging
of the all blacks and all that sort of stuff,
and I do so. The South African result is a
very good example. I actually enjoyed the game. I thought
the game was a good game, and yes, we could
(02:07):
have done some things better, but then again, the Australians
came to life and you've got to give Schmidt some
some credit for that. And that's my est.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, it is, it is. I think twenty one mil
up after forty to fifteen minutes, I thought that Black's
going to stick sixty or seventy on them. The All
Blacks should have won by more. Yes, they made more
mistakes in that second half, and that's still an ongoing
concern that they're not finishing games properly. I don't think
you can blame the bench. I think it's a combination
of factors. I think clearly Bowden Bart was ruled out
(02:35):
through illness. I think a few of the other players
copped a bug during the week as well, maybe Damien McKenzie,
who just looked a little bit off color. We a Yes,
you've got to give credit to Joe Schmidt and Mike Kron.
They worked a near miracle with this Wallaby team during
the past week. They don't have the cattle the All
Blacks do, but gee, they played well in that second
(02:56):
half when they came back.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Did you watch it and enjoy it. Guy, Are you
too immersed in the horses now to pay any attention
to anything outside of Gg's.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, I'll be honest. I was working, so I didn't
watch it live, but I have seen it. I am
I'm similar to you. I don't think it's something to
get all up in arms about, like some people seem
to be doing. But what I do kind of worry
about is that it's the same problems in the sense
that it's disciplined. Two more yellow cards. You can't afford
(03:28):
to really play a rugby game with let's say, twenty
minutes with fourteen men at it on occasions, yeah, exactly,
and then, as Sev says, the last twenty minutes or
so tests at the moments, they can't seem to score points.
I saw Nick Beauley, who does the sport down in
christ Church for you and sometimes reads on your show,
(03:48):
put out a stat that the All Blacks and the
Rugby Championship haven't scored a point past the sixty minute
mark in this competition this year. So that's got to
be a concern. I am slightly worried about, not necessarily
the bench as such, and I think I've said this
in the last couple of weeks, but more so the depth.
I think this All Blacks team that probably has thirteen
(04:08):
to fifteen good players and then maybe not as much
in the next eight or so. And let's be honest,
rugby in this day and age is a twenty three
man game. This is frum and you need twenty three plays.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You're worried about the crowd sab I mean, it's a
big stadium, so you can give them that, But I
mean it didn't look even close to being full. I
mean there was sixteen or something like that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
No, it was just under seventy and it holds about
eighty eighty three, so I actually thought it was I
thought it was a good crowd that it went flat
on several occasions, especially when a team goes up twenty
one mili so quickly. But no, I thought the Assie
Rugby Union did quite well. Given you had the massive
Sydney Swan's game Friday night, you have two Rugby League
semi finals, which I note the Cronella game was nowhere
(04:52):
near a sellout in the middle of town. But I
thought I thought the crowd was very good. A lot
of All Black supporters are either expats or people that
had come across. And they do it well at the
stadium too, and it empties very quickly. Great transports. Well,
you see, we would go on and on and on,
and I can go on and on.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And it's in the middle of nowhere. And that's that's
the reason it empties, is because everyone's one hundred miles
away from where they live.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Well not I meant.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
A mile out of town.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, no, no, no, listen. Listen. When I hadn't been
back to Olympic Park for many years, and when the
Olympics were on, it was just four or five or
six venues and that was it. There was nothing else here.
But now there's apartment's, hotels, it's all built up. It's
actually very close to the city.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
It's no closer to the city now than it used
to be, sad, because neither had been moved in the
ensuing years.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But they've built new They've built a couple of new
tunnels since the Sydney game, so it only takes about
fifteen twenty minutes maps from the city.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You're loving Sydney guy, Lydia co this morning. Can't stop winning.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Wow. We yeah, what a year she is having. I
don't really know how to sum it up to be honest,
and Olympic gold medal of British Open title and now
another LPGA to a title. I thinks, what it's a
citious professional win. It's just remarkable. I hope I hope
New Zealanders realize how good she is because, and I
(06:13):
think I said this after the Olympics, she is only
going to be around for a couple more years. She's
made that pretty clear, So soak it and well you can.
It's an incredible career. Very lucky to have seen her
live a couple of times, and the fact that she's
kind of gone through a bit of a slump as
well in the last few years and now has got
back to where she is, got back to her best
(06:34):
in a time where women's golf is probably the toughest
that it's been in terms of competition, in terms of
the depths and that sort of thing. I think it's
a remarkable feast.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
What didn't she's twenty three under.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Nine under today.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, but she's in that zone. She's unbeatable.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Right Once you once you believe you can win, you
can win. It's it's as simple as that's out works.
Do you have any thing you said with what happened
over the weekend in London to fix Joseph Parker, I mean,
how does that thing get stitched together?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
If it will? Yeah, it was a big upset. That's
for Anthony Joshua Jesus stocks have gone through the floor.
Daniel Dubois would be a great opponent for Joseph Parker.
I think they will try to make that in December,
but there's a lot of obviously in boxing, a lot
of moving parts to put into place. I'd love to
see Parker on that Oosick Fury card in December in Saudi,
(07:29):
and let's hope that happens. He can find an opponent.
The problem where the problem is that Parker's resurgence has
frightened a few people off. That's that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That is true, Lawson. To be confirmed, it'll be this
week or next.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Very interesting, it'll be good.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And let me just put this one forward for you.
He's got the last six races of the season and
with the possibility of being reviewed obviously for what answer
red Bulle itself.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So r B for the last six races, Yes, yep.
And we heard a clip there in the news from
Ricarda he's.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Done, it's over. The only thing they cocked up is
the announcement, because if you look at what he looked
like over the weekend, he looked miserable and it was
just it was one of those ridiculous things whereby everybody
knows what's going on, he just couldn't say so. And
you saw an interview with Horner and he was equally
as weird about it all. And the whole thing's just silly.
(08:30):
But it may Lawson gets six races and if he's
like hot, as in really hot, do not be surprised
if he ends up in Red Bull.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And so what you're saying is they could drop Perries
back to well.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
There, Well, I mean that there's several things at play,
one of them Sonoda, of course, who I am assuming
would back himself to be in Red Bull ahead of Lawson.
But equally Peries may get dropped back or may get
booted out altogether. Because where Peers came this morning, it
came tenth, You got one point.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And assuming it happens, isn't this fantastic for New Zealand
New Zealand Sport. He's in a sport which has produced
another Formula One driver which is quite extraordinary given the
only twenty seats per year, right exactly is the extraordinary
bit of it of a You compare that to say
a footballer making the EPL, or a basketball like Adam's
(09:22):
making the NBA, which is fantastic in itself with quite extraordinary,
but if one with twenty seats and the key we
to be driving for a top team is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And when when when Brindan Hartley was in it a
few years ago now, the excitement around, you know, people
getting into one and that sort of thing was fantastic.
And I don't read this with any disrespect to Brendan
Hartley at all, but Liam Lawson has one points already
and if one so, I feel like he's probably more
ready and more capable of achieving some pretty bloody good things.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And that's in that class exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You're seeing a new generation to hang in there, to
hang in there with red ball and and not grizzle
and have a great approach as Liam Lawson always does,
smart head, engineering wise, driving wise clearly increases everybody in
that team. And if one paddock and doesn't have the
mega millions of others who aren't that good a driver
(10:17):
but get drives because they've got the mula again. Is
another factor that has got Liam Lawson into one.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Gets on very well with Max as well as far
as I can tell, which I think might help him
a lot. He might be able to learn quite a
few things from him, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
All right, did you see a Taney by the way,
either of you on Friday at the LA Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Didn't see it. But what I've read about it the
remarkable what he did in one single game, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, well he got a whole It was fifty to
fifty for the season, so fifty home runs and fifty
stolen bases. But in fact he got fifty one to
fifty two stolen bases by the end of the game.
But no one literally in the history of baseball ever
has done it. It's not like a new it's a
brands making new record. Anyway, you enjoy you there for
a couple of days, save a couple of days shopping.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
A day off, day off today on the series, having
a look around town, another couple of happy hours to
a teen fifteen dollar chicken, a couple of fifteen dollar chicken,
Schnitty's mic and the world's a great place. Australia is fantastic.
I'm not coming home mate.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Good on you, nice, nice to see you and catch
you next Monday. Andrew sebil and Ghols.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
For more from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks there'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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