January 27, 2025 • 13 mins
The richest man in the world, Elon Musk is a controversial man with a history of innovation and entrepreneurship.
He’s one of the most talked about men in America, and after hitching his ride to Donald Trump in the election, now one of the most influential players in US politics.
Musk was the largest donor in the 2024 election cycle, spending at least US$277 million to back Trump’s run for the White House, as well as putting his social power behind the candidate.
Former Managing Editor of Forbes and host of the “What’s Bugging Me” podcast on Ricochet, Dennis Kneale has written a book about Elon Musk’s journey as a CEO.
'The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk' distils the businessman's success down into 11 lessons, breaking down his philosophies, successes, and controversial standing.
Kneale told Mike Hosking he believes Musk got involved in politics reluctantly.
“I truly believe he never would have gotten involved if he hadn't felt that America was about to tumble down into the woke mind virus and never come back from it.”
Backing a specific political party or candidate can be a risk for a business, as it runs the risk of alienating potential customers.
“He knows that he turns off half the audience, and he wants 100% of the audience buying Tesla cars,” Kneale said.
However, Musk’s passion for free speech and a lack of censorship seems to have outweighed the potential loss of customers.
“He has more appreciation for the First Amendment right to freedom of speech and free expression than most Americans do.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, who hasn't spent some time over the holidays Following
the headline that is the new first Buddy Elon Musky
as an office in the West Wing seemingly has the
President's here. Dinnis Neil knows him very well. He's a
former host at CNBC and Fox Business. His new book
is called The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk, and Dennis
Needles with us from New York.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good morning, It's great to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So you are, you know, an expert on Elon. We
can't talk about Elon without talking about Donald just generally.
What have you made of the last week or so?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Oh my gosh, it is unbelievable. You know, a founding belief.
My new book, The Leadership Genius Elon Musk, offers eleven lessons.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Of Elon, like how does he succeed? How does he live?
And what can we borrow from that?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, the one founding belief of Elon's is that we
very well be made, maybe living inside a huge computer
simulation operated by somebody somewhere far off in the future. Now,
this frees him up to take huge risk to do
things no one else will do, right, But it also
means that who's ever running that simulation.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
They wouldn't run it for boring us. They run it
for the most entertaining unexpected outcomes. And can you believe
the past week is definitely the most unexpected outcome of
all Trump all those people trying to stop him from
getting into office.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Elon coming alongside Trump and helping him get into office
the very opposite outcome of what was expected or what
people tried to make happen. And that's another lesson of
Elon that the most likely outcome often is the most
ironic one, the most opposite of what was expected. And
that's in part because if this is a simulation, they'd want.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It to be really entertaining.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Now do you reckon it's a simulation.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You know the weird thing Mike is. At first, I
guess thought he's kidding, He's kidding.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
No, But then I did ten years worth of research
into how long he's been talking about it, and I
looked at the science of it, and I interviewed a
physicist named Melvin Bobson at a UK university whose name
is escaped me just now. And Melvin came up with
the second law of infodynamics. Melvin the physicists found it
across all of the universe, all of nature. This weird
(02:01):
thing happens. Information is reducing itself all the time. The
first COVID nineteen.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Virus had you know, a plethora of base pairs of DNA,
but as it mutated mutinator, it got less and less
and less and less, even though it did the same job.
Everywhere in nature is reducing, and this physinessist says, you know,
if this were a computer simulation, you'd want to save
on storage and processing power as much as possible. So
maybe this is proof there's a simulation. So it starts
(02:29):
to get very fun. But here's the one thing. Even
if we don't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Believe literally it's a simulation technologyally it could be. You know,
if you look at where we came. Elon says from
Pong in nineteen seventy, just kind of two little bits
of light hitting a ball back and forth against a
black background into these three D video realistic you're inside,
you know, doom, you know, shooting monsters. Well, if you
can advance that much in seventy years, imagine what could
do in ten thousand years. So it would definitely be
(02:54):
true ten thousand years from now to have a simulation
that's so undetectable from reality that you don't even know it.
And if it's true in ten thousand years, and you
look at the Earth as about four four billion years.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Old, that's something like four hundred thousand or four million
different ten thousand year patches in which it could have happened.
The thought that's never happened until ten thousand years from
now seems unlikely. So Elon therefore, says, and if there's
one simulation, there's probably billions a lot of people playing simulations. Jesus,
So aren't the chances billions to one in favor of simulation?
(03:28):
But let's say we reject all that. It's just fun
to think what if it were it? Lets us look
at the world in a different way. I've got a
new job offer, but it's crazy, it's such a high risk.
Well maybe I should take it because this could all
be a video game. I've just had a terrible loss.
My wife has left me, divorced me. You know, as
hard as it is, if I could put on glasses
(03:48):
that say, hey man, this is all fake, this is
all just a simulation, maybe I could heal a little
bit and feel a little more philosophical about it and
kind of remove myself from it. There's one more thing
about this thing, okay, that I throw in there. Ketamine,
a drug that used to be purely a hospital painkiller
for surgical patients and now is a therapy for depression.
(04:10):
My own doctor fifteen years quit his practice to join
a ketamine company. Ketamine is very popular with Elon, and
I'm told that when you take ketamine and you're sitting there,
there comes a point where you are dissociated from the
picture in front of you. You are suddenly sitting on high.
Everything's super sharply defined, and it's as if everything is
(04:32):
a prop It's as if all of it is an illusion,
and you suddenly realize that it's like what the materialists
said one hundred and fifty years ago. This desk is
here only because I think this desk is here. It
has substance only because my mind gives it that. So
it starts to get.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Really quite fascinating. And the publisher warned me, and talking
about the book, not to start there. It's just too weird.
I've just started with you know less than number five.
Most people are loafers, work.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Harder than you ever before, and yet I remained fascinated
by its possibilities.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
What are you? How much in the genius of Musk?
How much is genius and how much is pure insanity?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh? I think it's ninety percent genius. The guy is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, we've never seen and I've been understood of
a business reporter Wall Street Journal, managing under of Forbes,
anchor at CNBC, anchor at Fox Business for thirty plus years,
and I've never seen anything like it. It's one thing
to see Jeff Bezos, who once crashed a dinner party
of mine and sat with me for an hour and
a half.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Great guy, fantastic laugh, amazing ambition.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But he's been great at one thing, and on Blue
Origin his space rocket stuff, you get the feeling he's
not that deeply involved. He leaves it to the engineers.
Elon is super successful on half of different fronts and companies,
and he gets deeply involved in each thing and is
actually technically involved. And he continually amazes the engineers around
(05:53):
him when he comes up with solutions that they just
don't see, because then you get to that ten percent
insanity that gives them that extra ability to see things
that most people don't.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
All right, Dennis, So tell me Dennis about Tiesla. See,
I'm not a massive fan of Tesla. The genius I
think of what he did with Tiesla was he beat
everybody to it. So you know, he had an EV
before the world hit an EV. But now he's going
to get beaten by the Chinese and badly. So what's
you know, what's genius about that?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So first he bought into Tesla right with his own money.
He staked I think seventy million, which was at the
time a substantial portion of his own wealth, which no
one ever does. You raise other people's money. He did
that and made it into something better than it ever
would have been. But to me, the biggest gift of
Tesla is I always said along I was an opponent
of green policy. I thought it's there is no crisis.
(06:41):
The profit motive and technological advance will take care of
any threat. The thought that a four billion years old
Earth suddenly is in danger only because of one hundred
years of industrial use by humans seems a little arrogant, okay.
And yet Tesla was a great car. People who drive
buy it and drive it say his self driving goes
(07:03):
something like one and a half million or two million
miles without an accident.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
If you look at the whole fleet, that is.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Three times the links without an accident of regular cars
made by Detroit. He made a car that was better
than other cars, never mind whether it's electric or what
it was, was just a great car, and people love it.
They feel out affection. But one other thing, there's this
synergy that goes on. But among all these different Elon businesses.
So his EXAI engine AI check bought learns from reading stuff. Right, Well,
(07:33):
it's able to read six thousand messages per second posted
to the x platform that Elon owns. Meanwhile, the Tesla car,
its self driving system changed a year or two ago
over from lines of computer code. If then do this,
If then then do that to instead reacting to video,
eliminating the computer code in favor of ingested video. Very
(07:55):
few other AI efforts have been able to do this. Now,
all that information that ingests also can be fed to
x AI, the platform that learns only by seeing and
reading more things. So there's a way it hooks into everything.
But then when he takes Tesla and he says, you know,
if you're going on vacation for a month. There's no
reason your car should sit idle. We can just order
(08:16):
it up and have it go pick up people and
get paid for you and you don't have to do
anything because but we have self driving. So it ends
up becoming its own taxi fleet. And then you look,
Tesla has this robodies making. Have you seen this thing?
It's human sized. And by the way, one of the
most fascinating things is that the human hand is one
of the hardest things to replicate. Five fingers. It's why
(08:37):
cartoon characters only have three, and yet this thing has
five four fingers and a thumb perfectly operating. All right, Now,
this thing supposed to make Tesla cars is going to
end up he thinks, being thousands of them in the home, right,
But it also is ingesting everything, and it can feed
that further to the AI engine. Its arm can end
up being attached to an amputee thirty Now, let's say
(09:00):
in the future using the brain chip at his Neuralink
brain ship company, so that an amputee could be using
the brain chip to operate this mechanical arm.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And that is from Olympus. I mean, so no one
else sees how it all fits together, and I think Elon.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Does what do you reading he wants with Trump?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I truly believe he never would have gotten involved if
he hadn't felt that America was about truly to tumble
down into the woke mind virus and never come back
from it. I think he did so reluctantly. He knows
that he turns off half the audience, and he wants
one hundred percent of the audience buying Tesla cars. All right,
But and also because he has the zeal of a convert.
(09:41):
He is an adopted American, he became a US citizen.
He has more appreciation for the First Amendment right to
freedom of speech and free expression than most Americans. Do
you know something like this is shocking to me? When
I did the research on it, A third of Americans
believe that preventing hate speech, which is protected by our
(10:03):
First Amendment, preventing hate speech is more important than ensuring
free speech. Well, you bunch of whimps and babies, how
about you turn the channel. How about you don't listen
to the hate speech. It's so upcter it makes you
feel unsafe.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You seek They actually talk about safe spaces at university campuses.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
What a bunch of babies. I can't even believe that
we got into a whole problem when we began to
accept this term called harmful content, as if words they're
mean can leap off the screen and smack you in
the face. And so when someone smacks you in the face,
you blame the words that made them do that, when
you should blame the person that smacked you in the face.
(10:42):
Stop with this, because as soon as you decide content
can be harmful, well then now we got to restrain it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
We got a censor it, don't we.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And that is what Elon Musk utterly blew apart by
spending forty four billion dollars, most of it his money
and not insane expense, by spending that to buy Twitter,
read Avid X and tell government, no, we're not going
to censor thousands of voices that you don't like to hear.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No weird thing happened.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All social media continued censoring after the Twitter files came out,
thanks to Elon Musk and Matt Taibi, the independent journalist
and the guys he works with.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
All right, so so, but now.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Finally Mark Zuckerberg just came out the other day and said, look,
we're sorry, man, we like bowed the government. We censored
like crazy. We want to literally, he said, quote restore
free expression to Facebook, threads, Instagram. Now he says we're
going to get rid of the fact checking based on
liberal media who are biased. Clearly, he says, we're going
to do community notes the way X does. So that
(11:45):
means that much of the social media world is going
to go toward the X approach. And yet the media
and politicians told us he had destroyed Twitter, it was
going to die. He's ruined it, and yet today it's
stronger than ever before. It is the most powerful media
platform in the world. And he did that, and he
did the Trump thing at considerable risk, just because he
(12:06):
felt like there was no other choice. But how long Mike,
before that relationship gets rendered asunder the new chief of staff,
this woman that Trump put in, you know, Mark Cuban,
the billionaire, said that he doesn't surround himself with strong women,
and Trump is the first president to ever have a
woman as chief of staff. She you know, Elon has
an office in the executive wing. Okay, so he's not
(12:29):
in the White House, and she's now making sure he
doesn't have direct contact with Trump unless he goes through her,
and that's got to be frustrating for him because he's
been hanging out and living at mar A Lago for
weeks and like partying with Baron and hanging with Trump.
But then once he becomes president, you get kind of
secunded or secreted and no one can get to you.
(12:50):
And it's got to be frustrating. And I know that
the Democrats and the media are working hard as they
can and some Trump allies to break up that relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
They fear it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Dennis got a guy that I appreciate your time, Dinners, Neil.
The book is the leadership genius of Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
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Well, who hasn't spent some time over the holidays Following
the headline that is the new first Buddy Elon Musky
as an office in the West Wing seemingly has the
President's here. Dinnis Neil knows him very well. He's a
former host at CNBC and Fox Business. His new book
is called The Leadership Genius of Elon Musk, and Dennis
Needles with us from New York.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good morning, It's great to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So you are, you know, an expert on Elon. We
can't talk about Elon without talking about Donald just generally.
What have you made of the last week or so?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Oh my gosh, it is unbelievable. You know, a founding belief.
My new book, The Leadership Genius Elon Musk, offers eleven lessons.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Of Elon, like how does he succeed? How does he live?
And what can we borrow from that?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Well, the one founding belief of Elon's is that we
very well be made, maybe living inside a huge computer
simulation operated by somebody somewhere far off in the future. Now,
this frees him up to take huge risk to do
things no one else will do, right, But it also
means that who's ever running that simulation.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
They wouldn't run it for boring us. They run it
for the most entertaining unexpected outcomes. And can you believe
the past week is definitely the most unexpected outcome of
all Trump all those people trying to stop him from
getting into office.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Elon coming alongside Trump and helping him get into office
the very opposite outcome of what was expected or what
people tried to make happen. And that's another lesson of
Elon that the most likely outcome often is the most
ironic one, the most opposite of what was expected. And
that's in part because if this is a simulation, they'd want.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It to be really entertaining.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Now do you reckon it's a simulation.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You know the weird thing Mike is. At first, I
guess thought he's kidding, He's kidding.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
No, But then I did ten years worth of research
into how long he's been talking about it, and I
looked at the science of it, and I interviewed a
physicist named Melvin Bobson at a UK university whose name
is escaped me just now. And Melvin came up with
the second law of infodynamics. Melvin the physicists found it
across all of the universe, all of nature. This weird
(02:01):
thing happens. Information is reducing itself all the time. The
first COVID nineteen.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Virus had you know, a plethora of base pairs of DNA,
but as it mutated mutinator, it got less and less
and less and less, even though it did the same job.
Everywhere in nature is reducing, and this physinessist says, you know,
if this were a computer simulation, you'd want to save
on storage and processing power as much as possible. So
maybe this is proof there's a simulation. So it starts
(02:29):
to get very fun. But here's the one thing. Even
if we don't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Believe literally it's a simulation technologyally it could be. You know,
if you look at where we came. Elon says from
Pong in nineteen seventy, just kind of two little bits
of light hitting a ball back and forth against a
black background into these three D video realistic you're inside,
you know, doom, you know, shooting monsters. Well, if you
can advance that much in seventy years, imagine what could
do in ten thousand years. So it would definitely be
(02:54):
true ten thousand years from now to have a simulation
that's so undetectable from reality that you don't even know it.
And if it's true in ten thousand years, and you
look at the Earth as about four four billion years.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Old, that's something like four hundred thousand or four million
different ten thousand year patches in which it could have happened.
The thought that's never happened until ten thousand years from
now seems unlikely. So Elon therefore, says, and if there's
one simulation, there's probably billions a lot of people playing simulations. Jesus,
So aren't the chances billions to one in favor of simulation?
(03:28):
But let's say we reject all that. It's just fun
to think what if it were it? Lets us look
at the world in a different way. I've got a
new job offer, but it's crazy, it's such a high risk.
Well maybe I should take it because this could all
be a video game. I've just had a terrible loss.
My wife has left me, divorced me. You know, as
hard as it is, if I could put on glasses
(03:48):
that say, hey man, this is all fake, this is
all just a simulation, maybe I could heal a little
bit and feel a little more philosophical about it and
kind of remove myself from it. There's one more thing
about this thing, okay, that I throw in there. Ketamine,
a drug that used to be purely a hospital painkiller
for surgical patients and now is a therapy for depression.
(04:10):
My own doctor fifteen years quit his practice to join
a ketamine company. Ketamine is very popular with Elon, and
I'm told that when you take ketamine and you're sitting there,
there comes a point where you are dissociated from the
picture in front of you. You are suddenly sitting on high.
Everything's super sharply defined, and it's as if everything is
(04:32):
a prop It's as if all of it is an illusion,
and you suddenly realize that it's like what the materialists
said one hundred and fifty years ago. This desk is
here only because I think this desk is here. It
has substance only because my mind gives it that. So
it starts to get.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Really quite fascinating. And the publisher warned me, and talking
about the book, not to start there. It's just too weird.
I've just started with you know less than number five.
Most people are loafers, work.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Harder than you ever before, and yet I remained fascinated
by its possibilities.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
What are you? How much in the genius of Musk?
How much is genius and how much is pure insanity?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Oh? I think it's ninety percent genius. The guy is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, we've never seen and I've been understood of
a business reporter Wall Street Journal, managing under of Forbes,
anchor at CNBC, anchor at Fox Business for thirty plus years,
and I've never seen anything like it. It's one thing
to see Jeff Bezos, who once crashed a dinner party
of mine and sat with me for an hour and
a half.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Great guy, fantastic laugh, amazing ambition.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
But he's been great at one thing, and on Blue
Origin his space rocket stuff, you get the feeling he's
not that deeply involved. He leaves it to the engineers.
Elon is super successful on half of different fronts and companies,
and he gets deeply involved in each thing and is
actually technically involved. And he continually amazes the engineers around
(05:53):
him when he comes up with solutions that they just
don't see, because then you get to that ten percent
insanity that gives them that extra ability to see things
that most people don't.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
All right, Dennis, So tell me Dennis about Tiesla. See,
I'm not a massive fan of Tesla. The genius I
think of what he did with Tiesla was he beat
everybody to it. So you know, he had an EV
before the world hit an EV. But now he's going
to get beaten by the Chinese and badly. So what's
you know, what's genius about that?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So first he bought into Tesla right with his own money.
He staked I think seventy million, which was at the
time a substantial portion of his own wealth, which no
one ever does. You raise other people's money. He did
that and made it into something better than it ever
would have been. But to me, the biggest gift of
Tesla is I always said along I was an opponent
of green policy. I thought it's there is no crisis.
(06:41):
The profit motive and technological advance will take care of
any threat. The thought that a four billion years old
Earth suddenly is in danger only because of one hundred
years of industrial use by humans seems a little arrogant, okay.
And yet Tesla was a great car. People who drive
buy it and drive it say his self driving goes
(07:03):
something like one and a half million or two million
miles without an accident.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
If you look at the whole fleet, that is.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Three times the links without an accident of regular cars
made by Detroit. He made a car that was better
than other cars, never mind whether it's electric or what
it was, was just a great car, and people love it.
They feel out affection. But one other thing, there's this
synergy that goes on. But among all these different Elon businesses.
So his EXAI engine AI check bought learns from reading stuff. Right, Well,
(07:33):
it's able to read six thousand messages per second posted
to the x platform that Elon owns. Meanwhile, the Tesla car,
its self driving system changed a year or two ago
over from lines of computer code. If then do this,
If then then do that to instead reacting to video,
eliminating the computer code in favor of ingested video. Very
(07:55):
few other AI efforts have been able to do this. Now,
all that information that ingests also can be fed to
x AI, the platform that learns only by seeing and
reading more things. So there's a way it hooks into everything.
But then when he takes Tesla and he says, you know,
if you're going on vacation for a month. There's no
reason your car should sit idle. We can just order
(08:16):
it up and have it go pick up people and
get paid for you and you don't have to do
anything because but we have self driving. So it ends
up becoming its own taxi fleet. And then you look,
Tesla has this robodies making. Have you seen this thing?
It's human sized. And by the way, one of the
most fascinating things is that the human hand is one
of the hardest things to replicate. Five fingers. It's why
(08:37):
cartoon characters only have three, and yet this thing has
five four fingers and a thumb perfectly operating. All right, Now,
this thing supposed to make Tesla cars is going to
end up he thinks, being thousands of them in the home, right,
But it also is ingesting everything, and it can feed
that further to the AI engine. Its arm can end
up being attached to an amputee thirty Now, let's say
(09:00):
in the future using the brain chip at his Neuralink
brain ship company, so that an amputee could be using
the brain chip to operate this mechanical arm.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And that is from Olympus. I mean, so no one
else sees how it all fits together, and I think Elon.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Does what do you reading he wants with Trump?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I truly believe he never would have gotten involved if
he hadn't felt that America was about truly to tumble
down into the woke mind virus and never come back
from it. I think he did so reluctantly. He knows
that he turns off half the audience, and he wants
one hundred percent of the audience buying Tesla cars. All right,
But and also because he has the zeal of a convert.
(09:41):
He is an adopted American, he became a US citizen.
He has more appreciation for the First Amendment right to
freedom of speech and free expression than most Americans. Do
you know something like this is shocking to me? When
I did the research on it, A third of Americans
believe that preventing hate speech, which is protected by our
(10:03):
First Amendment, preventing hate speech is more important than ensuring
free speech. Well, you bunch of whimps and babies, how
about you turn the channel. How about you don't listen
to the hate speech. It's so upcter it makes you
feel unsafe.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You seek They actually talk about safe spaces at university campuses.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
What a bunch of babies. I can't even believe that
we got into a whole problem when we began to
accept this term called harmful content, as if words they're
mean can leap off the screen and smack you in
the face. And so when someone smacks you in the face,
you blame the words that made them do that, when
you should blame the person that smacked you in the face.
(10:42):
Stop with this, because as soon as you decide content
can be harmful, well then now we got to restrain it.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
We got a censor it, don't we.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And that is what Elon Musk utterly blew apart by
spending forty four billion dollars, most of it his money
and not insane expense, by spending that to buy Twitter,
read Avid X and tell government, no, we're not going
to censor thousands of voices that you don't like to hear.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No weird thing happened.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All social media continued censoring after the Twitter files came out,
thanks to Elon Musk and Matt Taibi, the independent journalist
and the guys he works with.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
All right, so so, but now.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Finally Mark Zuckerberg just came out the other day and said, look,
we're sorry, man, we like bowed the government. We censored
like crazy. We want to literally, he said, quote restore
free expression to Facebook, threads, Instagram. Now he says we're
going to get rid of the fact checking based on
liberal media who are biased. Clearly, he says, we're going
to do community notes the way X does. So that
(11:45):
means that much of the social media world is going
to go toward the X approach. And yet the media
and politicians told us he had destroyed Twitter, it was
going to die. He's ruined it, and yet today it's
stronger than ever before. It is the most powerful media
platform in the world. And he did that, and he
did the Trump thing at considerable risk, just because he
(12:06):
felt like there was no other choice. But how long Mike,
before that relationship gets rendered asunder the new chief of staff,
this woman that Trump put in, you know, Mark Cuban,
the billionaire, said that he doesn't surround himself with strong women,
and Trump is the first president to ever have a
woman as chief of staff. She you know, Elon has
an office in the executive wing. Okay, so he's not
(12:29):
in the White House, and she's now making sure he
doesn't have direct contact with Trump unless he goes through her,
and that's got to be frustrating for him because he's
been hanging out and living at mar A Lago for
weeks and like partying with Baron and hanging with Trump.
But then once he becomes president, you get kind of
secunded or secreted and no one can get to you.
(12:50):
And it's got to be frustrating. And I know that
the Democrats and the media are working hard as they
can and some Trump allies to break up that relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
They fear it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Dennis got a guy that I appreciate your time, Dinners, Neil.
The book is the leadership genius of Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
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