Full Show Podcast: 04 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking
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and rural news.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Togs hed been bonning and welcome today. The tariffs and
what to do all the local body elections, the lack
of candidates, the no contests, the Prime Minister and his humanity?
Have you seen it? The lads in the comedary box,
Richard and the state. Stephen Price is in the mighty
old pasking Welcome to Monday, seven past six. Now you
can slice the Warriors lost a million different ways. How
about this line, It wouldn't seem so bad if the

(00:33):
Titans never happened. What about it wouldn't be so bad
if there weren't so many injuries. See, you can argue
that Dolphins are a good top eight side, which they are.
Last time we barely beat them. This time they barely
beat us. You can argue we're still in the top four,
and I think that's the key. We're in the top
four for goodness sake. I mean, most years we're talking
about the highlight being the chance of scraping into the
top eight. We're still top four. And I'll tell you

(00:53):
what's going to fix it this week? This week we
beat the Bulldogs and that'll be that in life, and
as you fix the stuff you can fix. We can't
mend injuries, we can't bring Metcalf back, but we know
we're a side that deserves to be in the top four.
What we don't have, still don't have, is a victory
over a fallow top four side. We beat lesser sides, occasionally,
lesser sides beat us. Are the Bulldogs, the Storm and

(01:16):
the Raiders are above us. We have beaten none of them.
Now we've yet to play the Bulldogs, obviously, which is
why this weekend is such a big deal and become
a bigger deal after Friday night. We have no actual
proof we can beat a side that sits right alongside
us in the top four. You don't win the premiership,
of course, from outside the top four. Only twice in
all of league's long long history has a side from

(01:36):
outside the top four ever gone all the way. And
if we're being honest, we aren't one of those sides.
We find ourselves fifth, six, seventh or eighth. The top
four brings the sort of playoff advantages we need, so
in some respects the whole season is on the line
this weekend. If we beat a playoff side, we've got
the proof we're good enough. If we can do it
with depleted stock feels even better. Also means we won't

(01:56):
have lost, of course, three in a row. This has
been too good to see to blow it now. We
don't want to be scrapping to survive into the eight.
We want to cement a place in the four. We
want to finish on the up. We want a Bulldogs
win and then four easyish ones after that, including a
redeemtion outing of course against the Titans. It's still there
for the taking. I am still a believer. This is

(02:17):
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Speaker 1 (02:22):
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Young people of Gasa. We are with the young people
of Ukraine, my young others and sisters. You are the
sign that a different world is possible. Then in Britain,
the really big news is this court decision around carlines
and with the people got ripped off. The cardial is
actually one, but compo will still flow.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
It's fair for their consumers to be compensated. We also
want to ensure that the market relied on by millions
each year can continue to work well and consumers can
get a fair deal. Our aim is a compensation scheme
that's fair and easy to participate it.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's a really big deal as I'll work it through
the final detail shortly. Anyway to the boat crishes. A
couple of things in Britain. One, a crackdown on human
trafficking eds.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
We also want to actually go after the individuals and
criminalize what they are doing and that they are selling
this false narrative that you can safely travel illegally to
the United Kingdom in a small boat for a sum
of money.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
In two, a faster appeals process that hasn't exactly been welcome.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
The reason why there's such a high backlog in the
appeals process of the asylum system at the current time
is that we have been trying to speed up asylum
initial decisions. In doing that, the quality of decisions has plummeted.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Finally, I we'll talk to Steve about this later on
because it's a big deal. But the Victorian government has
announced yesterday they're going to make working from home a
legal right. In other words, if you can and want to,
it'll begin the law. A couple of days a week
up to a couple of days week, consultations starting. It'll
be law, they tell us by next year. As news
the world in ninety inflation, I've got some inflation for you.
Just two percent in the Eurozone are for July, unchanged

(04:29):
from June. A little bit higher than they thought. They
thought one point nine, but it came in at two.
So not the end of the world. But eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
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Speaker 2 (04:45):
Now fifteen percent we should be worried about. Of course,
We'll last the Prime Minister about that, because he said
on this program many times we don't want to be
materially worse off than anyone else, and yet now we are.
Most notably, of course, Australia could have been worse. You
could have been Switzerland. Switzerland got th eighteen nine percent.
Devastated is the word they've used all weekend. They're running

(05:06):
the same line we are, which is we're going to
go to Washington try and twist some arms. They don't
know where it came from, they don't know why, but
thirty nine percent is a hell of a lot worse
than fifteen fourteen. Past six From Devin Fund's management Breg Smith,
Welcome for the week, mor than Mike. Tell you what
this money and Apple isn't there? I oh, absolutely so.

Speaker 8 (05:25):
Yeah, quite a strong's old actually on Friday, but I
think it was just three the tariff announcements that sort
of dragged the market down and weaken those shares. But yeah,
the revenue's up ten percent, four billen. That's the fastest
pace of growth in three years, five billion more than
market was expecting. And hey, they're making a bit of
a comeback in China there. Mike's sales up four percent,
iPhone sales thirteen and a half percent high. So these

(05:48):
people rushing to buy them head of the deadline for
tar hospital to this new low price model that's doing
pretty well, and they're pretty optimistic about the outlook. They
see sales growth in the mid high single digits in
the next quarter. Services business that's doing pretty well, sales
up to thirteen percent. Course, regularizer trying to clam down
the app store's dominance, and wearables isn't doing as well though,
and they're not selling too many of these three and

(06:08):
a half thousand dollars mixed reality headsets, which is perhaps
a bit of a surprise, but I reckon the start
glasses will be better. Tim Cock also said we're way
away from when users will be switching to screen free
AI devices. That's good for the iPhone need income that
was up three billion to twenty four point four billion. Now,
speaking of tariffs, they wore an eight hundred million impact

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and they said tariffs could cost it one point one
billion in the third quarter. Most of iPhones are now
made in Indian. You talk about our rate of fifteen percent, well,
India has twenty five percent, so that's certainly going to
be an impact for them, But overall a pretty good result.
Amazon those results strong as well, forecasts not so much.
Revenues one sixty seven billion, five billion higher than a

(06:51):
year ago. Amazon Web services doing well, sales are up
seventeen percent. But all this AI investment, Mike, is coming
at a cost coughed amount of capital expensure rams on
thirty one point five billion on data scenes and the like,
and that's nearly double that a year ago. So that
didn't go down too well off investors on a weekday,
shares down over eight percent.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And then we got those job numbers and that poor
woman loses a job. I mean, what a joke.

Speaker 9 (07:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (07:17):
Absolutely, obviously an outcry over there, and you know, obviously
Trump saying that the figures are fudged and it's a
Biden a pointy and so on. But in the same
day we've got those weak job numbers. It was a
factory print that was also very weak. So you know,
maybe the job numbers aren't lie. I think the next
jobs released will be fascinating, but yeah, let's look at them.
So the US economy added seventy three thousand jobs for julys.

(07:37):
That was well by the expectations of one hundred thousand.
Interesting thing as well, Mike, it was very concentrated, so
health care and social assistance that was ninety four percent
of job growth DOGE. That's still having an impact. Government
employment that was down twelve thousand. Also very notable that
June and May revised labar combined at two hundred and
fifty eight thousand unemployment four point two percent. It's still low,

(08:00):
but actually would have been higher but for people sort
of leaving the workforce. So participation rate that's the license
November twenty twenty two, and yet it's really weakening. See
you look at the average weeks unemployed, that's twenty four
that's the high since April twenty twenty two. Those out
of work for more than twenty seven weeks one point
eight two million, that's the most since December between twenty

(08:22):
one So clearly deteriorating. Obviously not sitting too well of Trump.
But you look at the past three months, you want
to smooth that out. Employment growth has averaged thirty five thousand.
Now that's the worst since the pandemic. So what's going
to happen, obviously is fired the head of the Bureau
of Labor Statistics. He's called Jerome Powell a disaster once again.
But both the reality is it probably could push the

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FED to cut rates when they meet in September. So
the markets have now raised the odds to seventy five
percent from forty percent before the release.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Okay, give me some good news. Do we have something
here on the consents for housing in New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
Yes, we have our data and we're pretty comp and
that aren't we annual new home consents they've lifted one
percent thirty three nine seventy nine in the year of June.
That's that's the first time in two years that we've
had in your growth. Obviously still well below the fifty
twenty two standalonees, Mike, they are up six point three percent.
Apartments and like are not so positive, down three percent.

(09:19):
Orcand played a big role up three percent, and otago
fastest growth at forty eight percent. So non rezy building
work that was nine billions, that was down that point
nine percent. Factory builds weaker officers are doing very well.
But we're we're pointing out with those building costs that
the actual cost of building has wasn't a lot over
the past year, so worse than inflation and just a terms.

(09:40):
But yeah, lots of positives, particularly in standalone houses, Mike.
So look, are we seeing some green shoots. That might
be a bit early to call, but let's take that
positive news.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
We will what are the numbers, so of course we.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Know what was dragging the markets down on Friday, And
of course the dows down five hundred points one point
two percent lower forty three five eight eight s and
P five hundred down one point six percent. Na's dick
down two point two percent, fifty one hundred down point
seven percent, as was the nikey ASEX two hundred down
point nine percent, eighty.

Speaker 10 (10:09):
Sixty six two.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
In z X fifty we were down point seven percent
on our fifteen percent rate, so twelve seven to twenty nine. Fishing, bikeel,
healthcare down two percent, Gold up seventy three dollars three thousand,
three hundred and sixty three, and Ounce oil down two
dollars sixty seven spot thirty three. Just in the currencies,
Kiwi was down sorry, up half percent against CBS dollar
fifty nine point two, we're up slightly against the Straan

(10:31):
dollar ninety one point five flat, against the British pound
forty four point eight and against Japanese gen we were
down one point eight percent eighty seven point two this week.
What's going on? We've got jobs data. Speaking of jobs,
my unemployment rate he is expected to tick up to
five point three percent. We've got a dairy auction with
the RBNZ quarterly survey. Oh sure, Chinese trade data and

(10:53):
we've got that bank of in the England decision as well.
And on the innings front, lots going on, so Caterpillar, Disney, Uber, McDonald's, Eli, Lilly,
Sony and twyat.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Jet Amunks go Well, greeg Smith, Devon Funds Management, Pasky,
Reddit did well. I site read it because we're one
of the highest users of Reddit in the entire world.
Beat On sales and guidance revenues up seventy eight percent,
so some of that'll be us because we're obsessed about it. Apparently,
Nintendo switched to Hot five point eight two million units.
Shares are up forty percent on the year. They're holding

(11:22):
onto their forecast of fifteen million units eventually, Nintendo. Everyone
loves them six to twenty one. You're a news talk said.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
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Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, Wednesday for the jobs. Another problem for the government
to worry about. Fire point three seems to be the consensus,
the RBACH saying fire point two. It's currently fire point
one probably more importantly is the employment as opposed to
the unemployment figure. The employment figure they think is going
to go down so and no one's real that. The question,
the real question is is that it so so it

(11:59):
goes to fire point three? Is that it has it peaked?
Does it get better? From their remembering? Of course, jobs
are your last indicator as to the so called turning
of the economy. And that's a tremendous amount off you've
been reading, as I have over the weekend. There's now
a tremendous amount of commentary on it's not turning the
way they said vibe. So some of that for you

(12:20):
on the program this morning, and we'll put it to
the Prime Minister who also has and I know Labor
tried it on. It was pathetic. But nevertheless, you can't
blame our government for the fifteen percent. You can say
you can ask the questions we will could we have
done more, could we have twisted more arms? Could we
have worked harder? But we do have a material issue.
If it was a billion dollars at ten percent, it's

(12:41):
a billion and a half. Now we don't have a
billion and a half. We can't afford a billion and
a half to the texture is said, Mike, can you
clarify we put fifteen percent GST on goods coming into
the truck. No, So the person who buys the New
Zealand beef lands the beef in Los Angeles, they pay
the fifteen percent. Why because Trump doesn't want the buying
New Zealand beef. Trump wants them buying local beef because
there isn't any local beef in America. That's why they

(13:02):
buy out. So the question is do they then stop
buying it because it becomes too expensive? Order they simply
passed it on to the American punter and can the
punter wear it? Do they want to wear it? And
that's the big talking point around TERROR six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
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Speaker 2 (13:20):
All year round. Gara Ring. Excellent race this morning if
one Liam ninth qualified, finished eighth, beats to no to beat,
had your beat for stap and good day out. First
driver to catch up with the F one post race
live stream A core race.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
It's tough, yeah, especially on tires, but in general I
think our car recently has been very very good, especially
at the end of the stent, so very very happy.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
He had max up his tailpipe.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
He just breaks so late, and that was the thing
at the start of the tent that I saw straight away.
And he never follows directly behind so turn one and zoo,
He's always on alternate lines, and so I was trying
to track his line on the entry and make sure
I blocked it. So I gave him dirty air, but
they also dropped a bit more than us, so I
was just hoping that if I kept him there for
a few laps maybe he would drop again.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And he did. So they're off now for the summer
break back at the end of the month in Holland.
So how's he going.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
It's been rocky, obviously a tough start to the year.
I think in general the speed has been pretty good,
whether the results don't show that, but I think in
recent races we've found some things in the car that
have made me a lot more comfortable and at least
a lot more consistent, and that's what has really been
making the difference recently. Or take learnings from these last
few races and reflect on things over the break and

(14:28):
try and come back just as strong or hopefully strong.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
He's got to stop talking about what happened at the
start of the season. Got to move forward. You don't
look backwards, you move forward, so that the whole rocky
thing's over now and he's on the right side of it.
So he was have you missed it? The best Red
Bull Driver this morning? Had you got no points? Sonoda
was hopeless as usual. His future's got to be in
some sort of question now. The Stappan couldn't even get there,
couldn't even he had a bad day. So he was

(14:53):
the best of the Red Bull Driver. So good on him.
So he ends this particular part of the season on
a high note, and he is off to spend some
time in California with his fun and we wish him well.
News for you in a couple of moments, interesting question
around the opening of the FBI office in Wellington last
week for you will have a look at that. And
then Krystal Luxen in the studio in an hour.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
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Speaker 2 (15:24):
Talk more about it with Rod tomorrow because it really
has been a huge story in Britain over the weekend,
and it's been building for a while, given it's been
in the court system. But the deal was and it
will be no different here. So more money is lent
on cars in Britain than anything bar housing. So what
had happened was a number of people had gone along
and they financed their cars and the inference though it
was inferred that the car dealer hadn't given them as

(15:46):
good a deal interest wise as they might have because
they were getting backhanders from other companies. You know, company
be goes, Look if you conflict the deal our way,
we'll give you a little bit extra. That was going
to court. There were three cases over the weekend that
decision was released. Two of the three cases lost. In
other words, they sided with the car dealers. So lord
reed said motorists. Did I argue the dealers had a

(16:09):
forduc whoy duty. The court disagreed. At no point did
the dealer give any kind of express undertaking a assurance
to the customer that in finding a suitable credit deal
it was putting aside its own commercial interests as a seller.
So one of these interesting things were they morally bankrupt
These bastards who ripped you off. Yes, they were technically
did they do anything wrong? No, they didn't, because it

(16:31):
could have been worth billions if it had gone wrong
for the car industry. Twenty ten minutes away from seven
we got my jobs in the tariffs and the States
Richard alone that shortly. But back here, speaking of the States,
one of the good questions we had out of the
FBI announcement last week is is it all about China
and five Eyes or does some of dub tailor with
the local crime scene, and if so, how do our

(16:52):
police fit in with that particular operation. Now. Mike Pennett
is the Assistant Police Commissioner for International and National Security
and is with us morning.

Speaker 11 (17:01):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Are there a whole bunch of jurisdictional issues and boundaries
around this and how it works?

Speaker 11 (17:08):
No, the FBI are not strangers to us in New Zealand.
We've actually had an office set up here since twenty
seventeen and have been actually working with the FBI since
the late nineteen thirties.

Speaker 12 (17:19):
Believe it or not, what are the FBI do here?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Literally?

Speaker 11 (17:23):
But their focus within New Zealand is very much in
our traditional crime types, so we work with them extensively
in the counterterrorism space, on transnational organized crime, on child exploitation,
and on cybercrime.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So it's the same thing that you hear often in
the news about you working with INTOPOL. They're just the
American version of INTOPOL.

Speaker 11 (17:44):
Well, they're a little bit more specific than that, and
that they have specialty capabilities that are really helpful for us.
But likewise, as a member of that five IYSED community,
they bring different skills that help us all work together
on those crime types.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Given you have worked with them previously, does a local
office enhance how all this happens?

Speaker 11 (18:05):
I think it is a signal of the strength of
the relationship that we have moved from an individual local
to a full legal attache office. Historically that was covered
out of Australia since the nineteen seventies. So in some
ways a coming of age and certainly a time for
recognition of New Zealand as a five YES partner within

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the law enforcement space.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Good will we see given the cooperation between the two
you and them, will we see material results in terms
of crime and crackdowns?

Speaker 11 (18:34):
I am absolutely assured that we will. We are seeing
it on a day to day basis now they are
providing US information and in return on crime, particularly transnational
organized crime, which across all the five ys community is
a threat to the national security of each of our nations.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Good stuff. Make appreciate the insight. Mike Penit, who's the
Assistant Police Commissioner International and National Security, nineteen away from
seven task at big governor quits, you know, the Fed,
the Powell triumph, the whole thing. Anyway, she's resigning several
months early. Gives him the opportunity. It's very much like
the Supreme Court, if you remember, and Trump one point zero,

(19:12):
he got three on board, and so that's materially changed
the scot situation. But the federal governor, Adrianna Klueger, she
quits as of this week. Appointed by Biden and was
due to run until twenty twenty six. The FED didn't
give a reason for her departure. Trump says he's heard
she wasn't happy with Powell, so she's out. But anyway

(19:35):
he gets to appoint she.

Speaker 13 (19:36):
She's not one of the two who voted against him
the other day.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I don't believe she is. Nineteen to seven.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
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Speaker 2 (19:47):
EP fun fact for you. Ethereum is ten years old,
Vittarie Buteran. It started in Berlin. I didn't know that.
Part of it A couple of developers sitting in a
drafty lofts as a drafted off the bitch. It wasn't drafted.
They always hype it up after ten years ago was
a draft he lost and we didn't have any food. Anyway,
they put it together and everyone thought, I wonder if

(20:08):
this will go anywhere. Ethereum ten years old, sixteen to.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Seven International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Don't tied with genial. Morning to you. We are fifteen.
We're not happy. So then he sacked somebody because the
job numbers aren't right. Bring us up to speed.

Speaker 10 (20:25):
Well, that's it.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
The Trump team is offending off concerns over his economic policies,
with the president's chief economic advisor saying now that some
bad economic numbers just out, it must be a typo.
The latest jobs report has the unemployment rate up new
jobs down. Thirty seven thousand manufacturing jobs have been lost
since the Trump tariff campaign began in April with what
he called Liberation Day. Well, Wall Street is feeling liberated

(20:49):
of some of their profits. The Dow lost two point
nine percent last week, It's worst weekly performance since the
tariff war started. Trump's reaction to the bad numbers was
to shoot the messenger. He said, the job's numbers have
been quote unquote rigged to make him look bad. So
he ordered the firing of Erica macinturf for the head
of the Bureau of Stats.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So numbers were wrong, just like I thought her numbers
were wrong before the election.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
Well, he's provided no evidence on any of that. Trump
also claims that this chief statistician rigged job numbers before
the last elections in a bid to help Kamala Harris. Actually,
final job figures before that election were not favorable to
Harris at all. The Statistics Bureau is nonpartisan, they say,
and the chief was confirmed by the US Senate with
a vote of eighty six to eight. You know, policy

(21:35):
can't even agree that strongly on time of day.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Even JD.

Speaker 9 (21:38):
Vance voted for mcintarffe before he turned into a Trump loyalist.
William Beach, who was appointed by Trump as the Chief
Statistician during his first term, says the attacks on his
successor nonsense.

Speaker 14 (21:49):
Messenger has no control over the data.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
The commissioner does not even see the numbers until the
numbers are completely done and they're loaded and ready to
be distributed.

Speaker 9 (22:00):
Film's economic advisor, Kevin Hassett says the bad numbers must
be wrong on their very face. He was pressed on
this a short time ago by Christen Welker of NBC.
Look at the number itself, it is the other, but
just saying it's an outlier, it's not evidence.

Speaker 10 (22:13):
It's a historically important outlier. It's something that's unprecedented, so
unprecedented I've been looking at it for forty years that
I'm like, it must be a type of here.

Speaker 9 (22:21):
It is must be a typo. With higher prices looming
as the new tower stake effect, and with estimates that
the average consumer here is going to be hit by
just over four thousand dollars in New Zealand per person
because of these tariff costs, it will be interesting to
see how the typo explanation fears this week on Wall.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Street, Right, I Wizard of Oz, what do you reckon?

Speaker 9 (22:40):
I don't know. We'll see, but there are two choices here,
AI gone wild or a revelation. We're seeing the very
first images of a new immersive version of the classic film,
The Wizard of Oz. Word is they've spent nearly Can
this be true? Yeah, one hundred and forty million dollars
in New Zealand enhancing the nineteen thirty nine film so
it can play in the sphere of the massive dome
like performance space that opened in Las Vegas sixteen months back.

(23:03):
The screen at the sphere is one hundred and sixty
times bigger than the first screen that the movie was
shown on eighty six years ago. The sphere has one
hundred and sixty seven thousand speakers. What would glad to
think about that? A one hundred and sixty seven thousand
speakers repeating We're not in Kansas anymore? Yeah, indeed. Well,

(23:24):
the tornado from the original focuses on Dorothy and Toto,
but this one will have the audience ducking and weaving
in their seats, say the AI experts.

Speaker 15 (23:32):
Bring and when the leaves and different kinds of particulate
in the atmosphere.

Speaker 9 (23:37):
Yeah, they'll have high powered fans to make it feel
like bits of farm gear and animals are flying all
around you. Not all I'm persuaded that's a good idea,
but audiences can decide. Starting at the end of this month.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Right see Wednesday, Rich and Anold's outside by the way
are They opened an investigation into as they were always
going to into Jack Smith over the weekend, the Office
for Special Council. Mister Smith, it's on the way, appointed
a special council twenty two. You remember the name. He
was the one who investigated Trump on a bunch of
stuff classified documents. Is attempted to his attempt to interfere
in the twenty twenty election. They don't have any this office,

(24:11):
the Special Council Office, doesn't have any authority to actually
lay criminal charges, but they think there's something there. They
then headed over to the do J. So Tom Cotton
was driving that. He's the Republican Senator from Arkansas, so
we'll see where that ends up. Eleven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
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Speaker 2 (24:31):
Now Consumer confidence came out Friday. Were down again. This
is the ame z Roy Morgan down by four points.
Were at ninety four point seven. We were up in
June quite a bit. We thought things were going well
in June. By July, we changed our mind. Inflation expectations.
They're now at their highest level since April of twenty three.
They're up zero point two. It's gone through the five
percent barrier. That's what we think is going to happen

(24:52):
to inflation. None of that's good, It's entirely possible, says
the Bank. That both gd and employment went backwards in
the June quarter GDP, that's the whole economy went backwards
in the June quarter. Do we think it's a good
time to buy a major household item, No, mind you,
we haven't for a while. A perception of our current

(25:14):
personal financial situation down down eight to minus twenty one.
Feel negative. Regarding the economic outlook over the next twelve months,
we're down three to minus sixteen. Perceptions of the economic
outlook five years ahead, though remains steady at plus seven.
I mean, how the hell we know what's going to
happen in five years time. It's guesswork. But here's the
point is there's an increasing amount of commentary if you're

(25:35):
reading over the weekend, from people saying, oh, pretty much
the same thing, and that is the pressure is now
going on lux and the pressure is now going on
the government every time that they go, we've turned the corner.
We've turned the corner. We've turned the corner. We go
show it to us and they'll go farm as sure,
farmers are going great, but who else show it to us?
So Bruce Cottrell over the weekend, he's interesting some of
the reaction to the butter prices. He's talking about the butter.

(25:58):
Some of the reactions of the butter prices had been
up there with the best of the Monty Python. For
those who have stopped watching the six pm news, you
missed the cringeworthy moment where a political reporter interrupted the
CEO of Fonterra as he walked down the street, her
purpose to challenge him on the price of butter. A
day or so later, another journalist ars Miles Hurrel if
he had ever been to a supermarket When he replied
that he was in the supermarket yesterday, the journalist immediately

(26:20):
quoted a seven figure salary when suggesting he shouldn't notice
the price of the liquid gold. If the viewer wasn't
embarrassed the day before, surely there would be my Now,
my only hope was that no one from overseas was
watching the attack on success and aspiration that seems to
have become a feature of life in our country. What
an excellent line. My only hope was that no one

(26:42):
from overseas was watching the attack on success and aspiration
that seems to have become a feature of our life
in this country. So my question to the year, it
will be to the Prime Minister as well, is how
much of our current circumstances is us we're in a funk,
We're determined to be in a funk, we love being
in a funk. We don't know how to get it
out of a funk versus how much of it's actually real?

(27:04):
And a few people need to be held to account.
And we'll have more of that commentary later on the program.
Five minutes away from.

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And part of it wasn't help with the national part
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Christians is where this whole you wander into the countryside,
is that people who work in the open spaces of
New Zealand are desperate never to have anybody else there.
The moment you suggested, as they did over the weekend,
that you might get a concession, you might start a business,
you might bring more tourists to climb some mountains and

(27:37):
you know, wander a few crebases. The moment go oh,
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know he's got humanity. I've seen this humanity as just
no one else sees as humanity. And I'm thinking the
problem you start explaining that that's half your battle, isn't it?

Speaker 14 (27:58):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
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(28:20):
already here and getting worked over.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Though.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Here's the thing, ninety eight percent have used some AI
pound stash. The chat GPT, for example. That's just another
version of Google, isn't it? That's all you're doing. Instead
of googling where should I go in July, you're just
going chat GPT where should I go in July? It's
the same thing, isn't it. Eighty one percent of used
it for streaming recommendations. That's the same as Google as well,

(28:41):
what's currently on Netflix? Forty nine percent find it in
personal Sixty four percent either always or sometimes do extra
fact checking. So now we're doing everything twice, and you
wonder why we've got a productivity problem in this country.
Only six percent feel comfortable with AI making decisions independently
for us. Gosh, I'm glad that's the number, because that's
sort of a machine making decisions on your life when

(29:03):
I don't know, you might want to make a few
for yourself. When it comes to planning a trip, From
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Google thirty one percent use it to find a restaurant
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a more trusted planning travel assistant than colleagues or influences.

(29:30):
So enjoy that. So Tim Groser was once our trade minister.
Does he take I mean McLay was on this program
on Friday and I said, if it's fifteen, which I
think it will be, is that on you? And he
seemed to think it wasn't. He seemed to think that
there was nothing we could do. But would you take
it personally? If you were the trade minister and you
were on ten and you go to fifteen and then
you look across the Tasman and you make across there,

(29:52):
big don the trade minister. He's got ten? How's that
worked out for us? So Tim gross performed the trade
minister in the next half hour of the program, and
then a whole bunch yet again, a whole bunch of
contests that aren't contests for local body elections. The nominations
closed on Friday, and there will be people re elected
by basically having no one run against them. Is that democracy?

Speaker 16 (30:12):
More?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Shortly, news opinion and everything in between, the mic costing
Breakfast with Rainthrover leading by example, News togs Head be only.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Seven past seven. So the real question out of the
fifteen percent is what if anything can we do about it?
Were we stiffed given Australia's got ten percent and they
must have a material effect on us being able to
do business. Tim Gross, a former trade ministers, back with this,
Tim morning to you.

Speaker 12 (30:36):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Would you have taken it personally if you were still
in trade No.

Speaker 17 (30:42):
I think the criticism of my successor, Todd mcclay's is
ill informed. That's unfair. I don't believe there would have
been any material difference if it camped, and so the
White House for about a month prior to it. It's
quite clear what has happened to you, and that is
countries with the surface New Zealand has what Australia actually
do not. Countries with a surface got quite with at
least fifteen percent, and countries with a deficit didn't. So

(31:05):
I don't believe anything could have done would have changed
that underlying reality. Now, look, Mike, there is a future
ahead of us, as you're just summarized. And I think
it's entirely correct that the government sending up senior officials
and no doubt the minister will arrive in due course.
But we have to be very very careful because the
lesson of those countries that did negotiate with the so

(31:25):
called negotiat wasn't a negotiation. It was agreeing to things
at the point of a gun. Actually often ended up
worse off as a result. This is a very unusual situation.
I don't think we've seen anything like it.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
No does it stay though from an American point of view,
In other words, once Trump leaves the office, even if
the Republicans, when will they change that, will ever go
back to being what we thought it would be or
should be? Or are we stuck here now?

Speaker 17 (31:49):
The number one question that is exactly the number one question.
My own view is that the negative effects of this
haven't even begun to kick in on the American people.
I mean, you can't shove in massive tariff increases on
issues that are on commodities that are crucial to American
industry into American consumption without negative effects. But none of

(32:12):
this has been felt yet. These teriffs don't even take
any until August the seventh, So you know, this is
the law of unintended effects is going to kick in
big time, and that may well open up a completely
different future. We simply have to play it by a year.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
What chance we can twist an arm in America and
change anything or bugger.

Speaker 17 (32:34):
All, actually, Mike. But the space for that may open
up in the future when the negative effects start to
kick in. For example, if prices start to increase, do
you really want to shove in a fifteen percent tariff
on New Zealand beef for example? So you know that's
that's where the discussion should be, just creating the essentially

(32:57):
in a holding pattern, waiting for an offer unity to arise.
But the idea of us going in there and negotiate
with the United States this is a fantasy because of
the balance.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, so appreciate it as almost im grossive former Trade
minister where it's ten minutes past seven, Minister on that
shortly obviously possible to move from the government to around homelessness.
The government seeking urgent advice after these reports showing a
sharp rise. Tougher criteria was introduced last year. It requires
applicants to prove they hadn't contributed to their own housing need.
Paul Barber's senior policy and analysts with the Sellies as

(33:27):
well as Paul morning.

Speaker 14 (33:29):
Thank you, good moning.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Have you got a feel for how many people are
choosing this lifestyle? As opposed to being forced into it.

Speaker 14 (33:39):
Well, I think it's not a lifestyle choice. So almost
all the people are on the street, and certainly for
the people you know the rapid rise has seen in
numbers recently, it's definitely more about things that are happening
to them for them, that have led to them being homeless.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, so when you say that Mark Mitchell Antonia taps
all the mayor of Road to Ruas say exactly the opposite,
for it is a choice.

Speaker 14 (34:02):
So who do I believe, Well, I would ask you
to think about at the moment the situation of people
who are sleeping rough, they're living in cars, they're living
in ready unstable situations. And for most people it's not
about a choice. It's about being forced for instance, losing
their housing, being in a situation for instance, you have

(34:24):
maybe been come out of prison or a mental health
service and there just hasn't been anywhere to go to.
That's the kind of situation people are in.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Chris Bosher Barby argued over the weekend, this one this
is just decades long issue, or at least years long issue.
To there's spending plenty of money. It's not a money thing,
it's a delivery thing. Is he right?

Speaker 14 (34:43):
Well, certainly, homelessess has been an issue for many years,
but at the moment it's we're in a real urgent
situation where it's the worst it's been for years, and
we really need some urgent action. Whether the resource in
question would be a good one that actually have opportunity
to discuss with the minister. We certainly failed to get

(35:03):
to deal with a situation. Some of the hundreds of
millions as dollar as they have been taken out of
emergency housing support needs to be reinvested into programs and
rep around services that actually do support people into sustaining part.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Of the problem. See the emergency motel thing was a
disaster and it was predicated I think, on the idea
that it was temporary, when the problems that many of
these people have are not temporary. So, in other words,
do you either hook into these people and look after
them forever or you don't? Is that fair or not?

Speaker 14 (35:32):
Well, it's yea certainly people need supports. People don't need
to support forever. There are a few people who may
need quite a long term support. A lot of people
if you can get get people into good house, sort
out some of the financial issues around support, income support,
help them with health and possibly with addiction issues, with

(35:52):
other issues that might be going on. They can be
fine and they can move on and on with their lives.
The programs that work with people at the moment coming
out of street homelessness, you know they're effective, but it's more.
It's about more than a home. It's about providing those
other supports around people as well.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay, Paul, good on you. Paul Barber, Senior policy analyst
at the Salvation Army. Thirteen minutes past seven. People are
spending wonderful weekend in Takapuna. Crawts flocked to Chicago, paying
for parking and meals and restaurants. Just because they're not
buying crap from China doesn't mean they're not in the doldrums.
It's a fair point. Katie and our daughter was a
Chicago that roushow over the weekend. They said it was
chocolate block the chair, the tickets weren't cheap. I don't

(36:32):
know what that means. I didn't buy them, but they
said they weren't cheap and the place was full. Mike,
the economic negativity and funk you say the country in
at the moment is perpetuated by a sad negative media.

Speaker 15 (36:43):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I mean, yes, it is. I get it that the
media has got a lot to answer for, But why, Bob,
can't you see through that and see that for what
it is and work out your own reality? And is
your own reality one of negativity? In other words, if
you don't feel it's a good time to buy fridge,
is that because the media told you it wasn't a
good time to buy a fridge, or because it's not
a good time to buy a fridge. But it's an

(37:04):
interesting question, isn't it. Fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
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Speaker 2 (37:14):
Mike tim Gross is right about the US tariff effects
having not even started. One should look at the Smooth
Hawly terror fact of nineteen thirty to see what happens
with excessive tariffs world depression. Yeah, there are two different
things at play here. Trump's been successful in enacting what
he said he would enact. The other part of that
is is it smart economics? And the answers unquestioned believe
of course.

Speaker 12 (37:33):
No.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
We'll come back to the shortly seventeen past seven, right,
stand by for another lackluster local body election in some
parts of the country, deadline having come and gone Friday.
Some races no competition at all. The incumbent wins by
de fault. In Lower Hut five councilors elected uncontested. Good
news in Hamilton though, twenty six candidates for just the
one seat Hamilton Eastward. How hot's that? Campbell Barriies, the

(37:54):
VP at local Government New Zealanders. Where's Campbell? Morning?

Speaker 12 (37:58):
Good morning?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
So there's the last minut flurry on Friday. My understanding
couple of hours ago. People put their names and does
it make you feel any better? Are we're getting anywhere
good in this or no?

Speaker 18 (38:08):
It varies across the board. As you mentioned, in our area,
we've got five uncontested seats. I don't think that's good
for democracy. We do want to have races, but it
does depend on the local context and the reasons and
the ward sets upset ups as well. We do want
to be seeing more people stand Unfortunately, with the environment
we've got, I think that does put some people off.

(38:29):
But I think the important thing now is we've going
to do everything we can to try and get that
vote participation up because the voting numbers I think is
the most important thing.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Do you have any indication if the nominations aren't there,
the races aren't there, then why would suddenly people start voting.

Speaker 18 (38:46):
I think the ural race is quite a big one,
so for us we've got four strongmural contenders. I think
you do see an uptick when that's more high profile,
so it'll be interesting to see what that means. I
think there are some more systemic issues to vote participation.
Postal voting, you know, that is just completely not fit
for purpose at the moment, and how people actually vote,

(39:07):
information on candidates as pretty lackluster as well. We've been
doing some work through Government New Zealand, through our Electoral
Reform Working Group to suggest some recommendations to change that.
So actually how we vote and the process I think
could be a lot better. And also obviously there are
some bigger challenges of getting good people to stand, so
that's something we need to address.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Sixteen here's my fun fact of sixteen mayors who aren't
standing again. Six were first termers, four had completed only
two terms. What's that tell you about it? It sounds
to me like a bugger this? Who needs this?

Speaker 18 (39:42):
That's an interesting one. I think that's probably the first
time I've seen such a large number of one term
mayors decided to step aside. Some of them are actually
still standing for counsel which is interesting. Again, I think,
you know, in due course we should dig a bit
deeper into that because it is something that's a little
bit unusual. I don't have an answer of why, but
I think it's a good observation, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Campbell appreciate at Campbell Berry, who's the VP of Local Government,
Bishop was out over the weekend, Chris. Five councilors elected
unopposed already in the Lower Hut. As we've just mentioned.
Now here's the part of the problem. As far as
I can tell, all of the Eastbourne Community Board has
been elected unopposed. Five slots, five people. Now this goes
back to what I argued all along. There are far

(40:24):
too many jobs. There are far too many people, far
too many boards, far too many councils. So by the
time if you feeled if you can tested every single
slot up for grabs, you would be needing literally thousands
of people to put their names forward. It's never going
to happen, especially at community board level. Right, Let's get
back to the Tarraff seven twenty.

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It'd be.

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out of Trump's fifteen percent, is there simply nothing we
can do about it? As Tim Grosser suggested a moment ago,

(41:57):
what does the PM have to say given a stance
was we don't want to be materially worse off than
anyone else. The main thing here we are we are,
and not just that, but one of our biggest trading
partners has a better deal than we do. Australia got
ten percent, so did the UK, so did Brazil. But
Australia it's got to hurt. They can land their beef
and their wine at ten percent, we land ours at fifteen.

(42:20):
If we don't want to be materially worse off and
arc can we do anything about it?

Speaker 9 (42:24):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
You can argue we're not as badly hit as others.
We don't make shoes in Asia, we don't make cars
in Italy. But five percent on billions is a lot
of millions, and we can't afford it. Is their hope
that we can trade through it. For example, I mean
if you stuck fifteen percent on some Felton robe Pinot
on Fifth Avenue, New York. Would they notice or care?
Is there a lack of herd size in America so
severe and their desire for burger is so great that

(42:46):
New Zealand beef can charge pretty much whatever they want
the extra and get away with it. Or has all
this impacted enough people so as to generate a major
global shift in trade direction? Other words, does more of
the kiwi fruit and the wine and the lamb head
to the Middle East and the EU than it used to?
The prize for America as this will be I think permanent.
The part Trump always had right was there were countries

(43:06):
and arrangements that did rip the US off of that.
There was no question we weren't one of them. We're
just the collateral damage. But even when Trump leaves, and
even if the Republicans hold the office, no one's going
to undo this, I don't think, because it, without question
as a major American victory. He delivered what he said
he would do. Say whatever you want about Trump, this
has been, although chaotic, ultimately a massive win for him.

(43:27):
But there's no one to blame here. From our point
of view, there's no one to blame. It's not the
government's fault. The lesson, if there is one, is this
is what happens to tiny countries at the bottom of
the world. I think it's that simple. They couldn't give
the monkeys about us. The US is not remotely interested
in New Zealand. Are they happy to open an FBI
branch office. They realize we're part of five eyes. Hell,
we may even end up in part of August Augus.

(43:49):
But a good trade deal, forget it. Asking the trade
is interesting between Australia. So they have forty billion between
Australia and the US. We've got nine, So we actually
box above our weight if you think about it, because
they are many times larger than our economy. The Australians
and what they send is also interesting. US makes up

(44:10):
sixty seven percent of their export market, where at twelve
point seven, so we're more reliant on America than the
Australians are. Beef, and this is where it gets critical.
They're beef three point three billion, We're at two and
a half billion, so once again, beef specifically is one
point eight so we're boxing well above our weight given
the size of the once again, the Australian economy. But
if they Land their beef at ten percent and ours

(44:30):
is fifteen percent. Do would you buy Australia? I mean
personally I wouldn't because not as good as ours. But
I mean, is there that nuance and subtlety in the
American market? Who would know? We run about a billion
in dairy to the Americans, three quarters of a billion
in wine. It's beverages, but mainly it's wine. Big on
mechanical machinery. Wood fish, fruit and nuts all a third

(44:52):
of a billion. So between wood, fish, fruit, nuts, that's
a billion dollars worth of business. So this is all material.
If suddenly the bit of wood from news Yland's got
fifteen percent and the bit of wood from Australia's got
ten percent, why I mean there's no difference is you
buy the cheap of wood, and that's where it's going
to actually hurt us. On things like fish or wine
or lamb. You might might be able to argue quality

(45:13):
a bit of wood, you can't do. You know what
else we do to the tune of half a billion
dollars with the Americans? I bet you'll never guess illuminoids,
starches and glues half a billion dollars worth of illuminoids,
starches and glues from New Zealand to the US. What
does that even mean? Chris luxem and the studio after

(45:34):
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Speaker 1 (45:44):
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Speaker 2 (45:55):
He'd be sport to write the commentary bots of course,
twenty three minutes away from being a Tuesday, No, it's
not being a Monday morning. Christ of the elections will
us very good morning to you with the NCEEA announcement
is coming when because the media seem to have been
building up like this is going to the waters are
going to part in. Something amazing is going to happen.
So when is it being announced?

Speaker 10 (46:14):
It's coming out in the next few hours. Eric and
I are going to make an announcement here in Auckland.
It'll be quite massive. But as you and I've talked before,
it's just not working for parents, teachers and principles. We
need to get back to teaching our kids and basics,
and we also need to set up a qualification. Frankly,
that's globally competitive and actually more importantly educates our kids
so we can access higher paying jobs. So yeah, the

(46:35):
next few hours, is it prescriptive the announcement, Well, we
want to make sure that there's a focus on some
core subjects, you know, like as we've said, you know,
going into high school, we've got challenges with New Zealand
students not being where they need to be on reading,
literacy and numeracy. We've put a big focus on that
as you've seen in the primary and intermediate school sector.
As we go forward from here, you know, I want

(46:57):
to make sure that we can't have what we've had,
which is sort of an assemblage of you know, tasks
to get credits for a degree and then still not
a qualification, and then not have our kids set up
to do the basics really well. So when does it
just the next few hours? When does it start in
the classroom oil and ounce all of that in the
next few hours.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Okay, so you're going to go out to a consultation.
Are you open to consultation?

Speaker 10 (47:18):
Is it just like Wolf, Well, we want to hear
the views, but we're pretty clear about the direction of
travel and fairness, you know, principles, teachers, parents have fed
through a lot of you know, positions that have actually
led us to this point.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Anyway, Okay, the here and now fifteen percent. You've said
on the show a number of times we don't want
to be materially worse off than anyone else. Yep, you
lose because you are, well we are.

Speaker 17 (47:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (47:41):
We've got a new minimum standard for those countries that
are selling more than buying from the U than but
what they buy from the US. Yep, it's fifteen percent
is a minimum. There's about forty countries in that group.
There are some that actually have higher than fifteen percent.
And yes, if you're on a deficit with the US,
which means you're you know, like the UK, like Australia frankly,
yet you're at ten percent. But I just say, Mike,

(48:03):
our exporters and America have been pretty agile. Our exports
to the US this year up six percent. And when
you're in a market I live there for eight years.
Market at three hundred and fifty million people. There are
wealthy consumers whether they want our wine, our red meat,
that are prepared to pay a premium. And a lot
of our exporters have been able to pass through the
pricing to the American consumer. Now it'll it'll create some

(48:25):
difficulties for some companies, no doubt about it, who may
not be able to fully pass it through. But you know, again,
our exporters are pretty agile and they're moving around the world.
And it underscores yet again why from day one you've
got to hustle. You've got to do trade with India,
you've got to do trade with the UAE, you got
to do trade with the EU and UK and other
places all around the world. So it's not what we
want it, but you know, and it's pretty fixed. That's

(48:48):
the standard now in terms of a minimum for.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
So two parts out of that, Tim Grocers Seed, you
stand zero chance of getting the suggested in any ways.

Speaker 10 (48:56):
You're right, yeah, I think it's pretty unlikely. Prison it's
pretty fixed in his firm views. But we still need
to have dialogue in a relationship with the American administration.
I just say Todd McLay has a very good relationship
with his counterpart and we've had ongoing dialogue since the
announcement of tariffs in April. But yes, I want to
set expectations right that I think it's pretty obvious that actually,

(49:18):
whether you've been in a more deep negotiations like say
the Swiss, you've ended up with thirty nine percent. You
know we've got the minimum we've got for countries that
are running a surplus.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
So you are hand on heart telling us you could
have done nothing more.

Speaker 10 (49:32):
Oh, I think we handled it very well. I think
we had very good engagement at official ministerial level, which
was important. This was a decision that was a blunt
decision made pretty last minute before the announcement, where the
President decided, actually, all countries with a deficit get ten minimum,
all countries with a surplus get fifteen minimum.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Okay, I've read this weird article in a foreign media
outlet last week. Do you realize that bringing a cruise
ship to this country is the most expen to exercise
in the world.

Speaker 10 (50:02):
Yep, Why, well, there's a whole bunch of I think
we've we've got to go back and look at it.
Something Louise Upston and I've been talking about. There's a
whole bunch of pilava that we often make our cruise
ships go through coming into New Zealand, anti fouling, a
whole bunch of things around biosecurity. That adds a huge
amount of cost to it. It's things frankly also like
the ships have got bigger and you've actually haven't we

(50:25):
haven't had infrastructure to support it. That's why the Ports
of Auckland's you know, getting their fast track application thro
where theyre going to do those one big port extension.
I think an extra three hundred meters to enable larger
ships to come in and out of the country is
actually a good thing. So yeah, we've got if we want.
We want cruise ships coming here. It's a key part
of the tourism sector. We are looking at what are
we making but you're looking to doing No, we are

(50:47):
looking actively looking at what are we doing that we
don't want to. We don't want to make it harder
for cruise ships to choose not to come here.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
But they are because the numbers are plummeting. And this
what worried to me about this is this was off
sure reported. So that's our reputation being you know, printed
out for the world to read about and go, well,
why would to bother? Yeah, and that's why we're stuck.

Speaker 10 (51:04):
Just been two bits.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
The cruise ships.

Speaker 10 (51:06):
Around the world are just getting much much larger, the
building brand new boats that are actually just.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, but did happen last Tuesday? We will know everyone else.

Speaker 10 (51:14):
Yeah, but under the rama, we're going to take five
years to extend aport. We're taking six months to do
it from go to woe to get those consents in place.
And then I think you're right. There's other pieces to it,
particularly as I understand around now biosecurity ass which are
quite onerous and you know minister Hogarten, and help someone
working that through as well.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Okay, homelessness, is it a choice or not? In some cases?

Speaker 10 (51:35):
Oh, look, it's pretty complex issue, like it really is.
Like you know, people say, oh, just get get homeless,
fok a house and everything will be fine. Actually you
get into the issues and each individual circumstances pretty complex
and pretty You've got mental health issues, you've got addiction issues,
got a whole range of things. Uh, there'll be some
people who choose that, But actually I don't think. I

(51:56):
don't think people really choose that. I think it's about how.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
We know that and knowing it's gone on for years,
do you think now with some level of regret, that
you've got a bit hard on it and you've got
the homelessness situation that you've got.

Speaker 10 (52:07):
No, no, no. I want to be really clear because
if you just take a step back, homelessness end up
thirty seven percent on for the last administration, and we
were spending a billion dollars on emergency.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Now that's because they stuck them in motels there at point.
But you stick them in a motel and you think, oh,
that problem will be solved. If you're addicted to stuff
in Europe, whatever you need it, it's never going to
be solved. You need something bigger. So I think there's
a few things going on. One is we actually took
to so people understand it. We actually identified everybody in
a motel with kids that've been there longer than twelve weeks.

Speaker 10 (52:36):
We put them to the top of the State House waitless.
The state House weightless has come down by six thousand,
by the way, since come to power. We've got those
people into dry, good homes. Then there's a question. We've
got the State House wasteless down, We've got rent stable.
That's been helpful. But now actually, as you heard Chris
Bishop say, were spending half a billion dollars with agencies
and services around supporting people with complex needs and homeless situations.

(52:58):
He's happy to look at it. Sure it's getting to
the right places.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Okay. Some accountants signed a letter, three thousand of them
said we want a capital gains taxing any chance next
year as part of the election. I'm texting our way
through this.

Speaker 10 (53:09):
We try that before. Text more, spend more, borrow more. Frankly,
that's what caused the mess that from Chris up Constantine.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Bit of reading over the weekend. Actually, I should ask
you about the president. When the president of your party
talks about your humanity and you know people need to
see your humanity is having to explain that part of
the problem. My humanity is on display and you will
show every every week. I mean, I'm not arguing. I
appreciating she turns up when she turns up at your

(53:37):
conference and goes, oh, we need to see is humanity?
Is that part of the problem. No, Look, I mean
I don't think New Zealand is really what we're talking about. Myself.

Speaker 10 (53:46):
You know, they want me getting on and cracking on
and sorting it out.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
It's pretty simple.

Speaker 10 (53:50):
They elected us to change. They'll make a decision in
twenty twenty six where they think we're on the right track,
wrong track, right direction, wrong direction, and these Zelanders will
make that decision. I'm just very focused on what I've
got to do, which to get us out of the
hole that we've been in.

Speaker 17 (54:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
So I read four things over the weekend. Bruce cottle Wld.
You read him in the Herald yesterday. I didn't read
his articlebout he's very good, Yes, Liam Ate? Did you
read his piece? Liam Dan or William dam My? Apologies? Okay?
Damian Grant, you read his piece yesterday?

Speaker 10 (54:17):
Sometimes I do.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Roger Partridge this morning. You read his piece, Roger Patrick, okay,
but you haven't read that. So I've read all of them.
They all say the same thing. In fact, Damian Grant
summed it up best. He was talking about Kiwibank and
you wanted to do what you did last week with
Kiwi Bank. This is Jim Andertan's economic agenda being advanced
by a notionally conservative government. Is that part of your problem?

Speaker 10 (54:38):
I mean on the banking side, you know, putting five
hundred million dollars or Keybank being able to raise five
hundred million dollars to grow and to be able to
get four billion a lending out to businesses and ten
billion more out to retail customers.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 10 (54:50):
That puts more competition into the banking set.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
His point was that ACT wanted to sell it, and
Jenny Shipley wanted to sell it. So the National Party
once wanted to sell it. Now you want to advance
it and grow it.

Speaker 10 (55:00):
I look at something twenty five years ago. But we
are where we are right now. We've got a Commerce
Commission saying we haven't got enough innovation, we haven't got
enough competition in the banking sector. We've got things like
the open Banking piece. Yes, we want to put five
you know, five hundred million dollars a capital raise is
going to be you know, there's there's people out there
that want to invest in keep we bank to make
sure it's got cash that can actually be more competitive.

(55:21):
I think that's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
So from Roger Partridge, when populism drives policy, everyone pays.
He was going back to the button meeting at Nikola
Willison all that sort of stuff. Essentially, what these guys
are all saying is that you guys aren't up for much. Basically,
your fiddlers and the country's burning and it's still burning
and the whole twenty twenty five here we go, rock
and roll isn't happening, And that's why you are where

(55:43):
you are in the polls, and that's why you've got
the problems. I disagree. You were going through the biggest.

Speaker 10 (55:46):
Recession since the early nineteen nineties. We've had to take
medicine as we actually fixed spending, you know, inflation, interest rates,
growth and unemployment, you know the other five things that
happen when you don't when you lose shape on economic management,
which is what the last lot did. Now, when you
think about it, we're doing some pretty big things. We're
going to We're reforming rm A. No government's done that,
lots have talked about doing it. Well, it's going to

(56:07):
be a fantastic legacy of massive enablement to getting things
done and built in this country. Hard work, difficult work,
lots of detail, but we're moving at pace through that.
I think when you look at the announcement we'll make
around NCAA, there big decisions. They're important decisions that actually
set you zilling up in a very different way going forward.
So I think we've got the right long term economic plan.
We've got people still feeling the effects of cost of living.

(56:29):
But that is a function of you know, as we
worked our way through and had to take our medicine
after a massive party, going through a hangover. But you've
got to keep the faith and just sort of keep
the eye on the prize and work your way through it.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
This Wednesday, unemployment they say five point three from five
point one. Is if it's five point three, is that
it has it peaked?

Speaker 10 (56:48):
Well, I mean every forecast has said that this is
the time that it would be peaking, right, and it's.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
The last but I mean, just so no, it's the last.
But that's that's the reason for my question is is
this Wednesday as bad as it will? Do you think?

Speaker 10 (57:01):
Well, that's what our belief is on the forecast, and
we're pretty much following the forecast that we've we're peaking
about now on unemployment. We've got forecast growth of two
point seven percent average per year out of the last budget.
We've got two hundred and forty thousand jobs coming in
the next four years, so you know, we want to
see it tapering down from here on through. And so
so yeah, it's not surprising it's peaking now good today,
But if you've been a business ham with inflation and

(57:23):
suppressed demand, the last thing you left with is laying
off workers. And that's what you've seen in the last
twelve months.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I appreciate your time. Seeing next week. Good to see
Chris Lucks and twelve.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
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Speaker 2 (57:39):
How long nationally going to blame labor? I give them.
I always give the governments the same. You get the
first term, You get the first three years to say
whatever you want, blame the previous guys, but then you've
got to deliver come the next election. Just a reference
Damian Grant's piece yesterday, which was very good. Back in
two thousand and one, Act declared they would sell the bank.
This is Kiwi Bank, as did Jenny Shipley. Now it
seems these parties more interested in reheating the old socialist
working papers. This is Jim Anderton's economic agenda being advanced

(58:03):
by a notionally conservative government. Allowing Key Webank to raise
half a billion will do nothing to reshape the domestic
banking landscape. The challenge for this government is that they're
unwilling to confront the real issues driving our absolute economic decline,
so they focus on the symptoms of failure rather than
the underlying drivers. So this is part of what I'm
terming this ongoing or building commentary around the problem that

(58:27):
the government has got at the moment. They can survive
or die on the economy. If the economy comes right
by next year, you're not going to care, and this
isn't even going to be a conversation. But if things
don't start coming right by next year, then you're arguing
around ideology and philosophy and I'm not sure there's a
strong enough to survive. The counter to that is, of course,
would you really go back to what you still remember

(58:47):
from three years ago and say, well, I'll have some
more of that, please serving away from.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
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be the.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Roger Partridge staff. When populism drives, everyone pays, That's what
he says, and think of the CV agree. The real
issue here is not deary. This goes back to the
butter business. It is not dairy. It is discipline. When
a government terms a world priced export product into a
domestic political football, it sends a clear signal, and that
signal is felt far beyond the dairy. And this is
Nikola Willison, her big business of I'm bringing miles and

(59:19):
I'm going to tell him what's going on. Political scrutiny
rights Roger of market outcomes is not wrong. But when
that scrutiny begins to resemble theater, and when targets appear
to be selected for their prominence not their conduct, the
consequences are not benign. So it's a very good piece
and well worth following up. Have you got a bit
of time today now if you haven't watched the F one,

(59:39):
I mean it's all too late on the spoilers. Of
course we know what happened to Leamy wanders off to
the holiday, the summer break. He came in act. It
was a good race. It was an interesting race. The
Norris Piascre thing is interesting if you followed it over
the weekend. The Lewis Hamilton thing is really really interesting
because it goes to beyond talent and skill and experience.
It goes to culture. And there's guy who no one

(01:00:01):
doubts can drive a car, but he can't drive a
Ferrari and it's really in his head now, so it's
fascinating to watch anyway that and all the other sport
over the weekend for you in a couple of moments,
as we're head to the commentary box with Andrew Sabil
and Jason Pine Here on the Mike Hosking Breakfast of.

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Auckland from twenty points down, the Mulus come back and
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Wellington and round one.

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This Otago side, who scored the street tries to two.

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Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yes, D eight passed eight. Andrew Sevil Jason Pine, Good
morning to you both. Just a couple of quickies from
both of you, if we could. Jason, you first, I
was listening to I was filling the car yesterday with
the ninety eight and I was listening to you were
talking to the bloke from the Phoenix and you were
talking about beer priestsman in general. Do you think from
your vibe, is anybody overtly exercised about that appointment?

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
No.

Speaker 21 (01:01:50):
The general feeling is that she's done her time, world
class coach. Wouldn't have got her had it not been
for the drone scandal. Ironically great appointment. So now I
think there's the odd dissenter, But I think the real
view is a very very positive appointment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Is there anything behind the scenes, and you don't have
to tell us if you know what it is? In
case of some legals, because when we had her on
the program, she was alluding to the lawyers and all
that sort of stuff, Is there anything beyond the story
apart from she was driving the drone or there just
seems an inference that there were other people involved. Is
that fair or not?

Speaker 21 (01:02:24):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 21 (01:02:26):
There's also suggestions of other things in the background, not
related to the drone use that are being mediated at
the moment, so I think that's probably the reason why
she can't say too much. But I think those things
will be squared away and we'll look forward to seeing
how she goes and Wellington Mike, Mike, I.

Speaker 15 (01:02:43):
Think if this Phoenix women's team starts winning under her,
no and or care, all will be forgotten because this
team has treated water for a couple of seasons. So
if she can help them win and push them the victories,
and I think everyone moves on and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Quickly from you, Andrew. Did we think it was the
Lions game? Genuinely the Wallabies coming to life and therefore
there'll be competition for us or was it the Lions
who had already won we're looking forward to going home?

Speaker 15 (01:03:08):
I think probably more the latter. Right, the lines certainly
would have celebrated after that second Test match, and no
matter what they said during the weeks of consciously right,
you've won the series two zip and yeah, they were
looking for a clean sweet but they just weren't up
like they were in the first and second game. So look,

(01:03:31):
I think the Wallabies played well. I think there's a
lot of talent in that team. There's a lot of potential.
Don't have a huge amount of depth, but they played
well and I think they'll give the All Blacks a
run for their money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Right, next quick one from you, Jason. Greyhound racing end
of the season with seventeen deaths, eight hundred injured dogs.
Do you know anybody who's remotely interested in greyhound racing personally?

Speaker 21 (01:03:52):
Don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Andrew? Do you know anybody who's remotely interested in greyhound racing?

Speaker 14 (01:03:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:03:58):
I do, but very small pockets compared to what it
used to be. I think it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Uh, Are they members of your family?

Speaker 11 (01:04:07):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:04:07):
No, no, no, not not no no. And I can count
the cats in that as well.

Speaker 21 (01:04:13):
They don't like greyhounds, not fans.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
There's something wacky about that sport, isn't it. Every time
we get the bloke on from greyhound racing, yeah, I
mean they're on their way out. They still defend what
is the every time you know, when you go, when
you hit. You're going for sixty one on the Sky
Channel and you're looking for ESPN and you go one
more and you end.

Speaker 15 (01:04:33):
Up on the race the stumble across the dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Across the dogs, and you think, is that the saddest
thing I've ever seen in my life?

Speaker 17 (01:04:40):
Or what?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
And seventeen dead, eight hundred and gen and we're still
thinking this is good times.

Speaker 15 (01:04:45):
It's just like I would imagine the tab still makes
money off the dogs, do they?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (01:04:51):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 15 (01:04:52):
I mean, it's all happened relatively. It's going to happen
relatively quickly, isn't it with Winston Peter's decision. Apparently it
was touted and then he decided and then.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Gone, okay, now do you want some viewing recommendations? You two? Yes,
The answer, of course is yes, well done, Jason. I
don't know which one's better.

Speaker 15 (01:05:08):
So, hey, what about the last two sets of six
from the Dolphins versus the Warriors. I'm sure we'll get
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
We were okay. So here's my thing. It's your line
about BEV. So after this weekend when we beat the Bulldogs,
doesn't matter anymore, doesn't It's over? So the whole season Andrew.
The whole season is what I'm saying. The entire season
is on the Warriors this weekend. If we don't win this,
we're done. If we win this, will I can't believe
we wouldn't. You can't. You can't lose to be in

(01:05:42):
the top four and not justifying. Yeah, that doesn't matter.
What I'm saying is we're in the top four and
we've not beaten a single top side. If we beat
them this weekend, it's there for us all the way.

Speaker 15 (01:05:54):
A lot of injuries, Yeah, I worry about the injury.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Change that. No, don't start this. You can't change the
stuff you can't change. Don't sit there, goa they're not
coming back.

Speaker 15 (01:06:06):
Nine defeats in a row for Wayne Bennet, bottom of
the table.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
A lot of injuries, yeah, but my point being, I mean,
if Metcalf is listening to us now and he suddenly
got up Jason because you were worried about his injury,
he's going to play this week, fantastic, But that's not
going to happen. You've got to change the stuff you
can change, and a little bit of attitude, a little
bit of organization. Have we beat the.

Speaker 15 (01:06:24):
Ball, no doubt about it, Mike, they should have beaten the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Dolphins, correct, but we didn't.

Speaker 16 (01:06:32):
You did you?

Speaker 15 (01:06:32):
You erupt at the end of that game?

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Is that on no No, I limped away. I limped away.
I limped away an exasperation because that, to me was
what I'd seen previous seasons. That was the That was
the Warriors of old, where you think you're there but
then you're not, and you go, how many times do
I have to watch that story?

Speaker 12 (01:06:51):
Now?

Speaker 15 (01:06:51):
What we're going to tell us to watch?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Well, I'm going to tell you go after the break
Actually thirteen past eight the.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Years has resembled Jason Pine with us right for a
short thrill, look up the video I watched. The Red
Bull produced it. It was done at the Goodwood Festival
of Speed and the Professional Rally Driver. There's a rally
stage set up at the Goodwood Festival of Speed with
Liam d Liam's driving the rally car.

Speaker 15 (01:07:33):
So it does very well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
He does incredibly well, the point being, first of all,
he'd never seen the stage. Second of all, most importantly well,
he'd never driven a rally Karen's life, literally, never driven
a rally Karen's life. By the end of the fourth
he had four goes to do it. By the end
of the fourth gas and two seconds of the professional.

Speaker 15 (01:07:51):
I enjoyed seeing Greg Murphy too in the old school Holden,
did you see that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yes? I dim well worth watching now have you seen it?

Speaker 15 (01:07:58):
Just disappoint of Liam Lawson just quickly look. I think
what's been forgotten in all this this season with his
demotion from Red Bull if he can call it that
now he posted another top ten finish or was it
eighth this morning? Yes, and hungry. He's getting points, he's
proving that he belongs. He's qualifying high up. He beat
maxis Staffing today. Because the top Red Bull car seems

(01:08:20):
to be a bit of a dog right. What seems
to be forgotten is here is a young New Zealander
in the thick of it in Formula one. I think
we've all forgotten that. And you look at those times
and qualifying the day the top ten was separated by
half a second, and that's an incorrect tweak of the
steering wheel, isn't it across a whole lap half a second?
So what I think he's doing is still quite remarkable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Is couldn't agree more? Couldn't agree more. And I think
the second half of the season is going to be
better than the first half, and so he's on a
trajectory and that's what you want to that's what you want.

Speaker 15 (01:08:48):
To see will be there next year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Couldn't agree more. Brady and Boomingham's my other recommendation, Jason
Amazon Crime, Brady and Birmingham, Tom Brady and the Boomingham team.
And I've watched one episode so far, way more fascinating
than I anticipated it to be.

Speaker 12 (01:09:04):
All Right, I'll ever look at that.

Speaker 11 (01:09:05):
I'll ever look at that as well.

Speaker 16 (01:09:07):
Just on Lawson Well who will be the number two
driver for Red Bull next year? Because Sonoda is having
an absolute trauma in that car, isn't he? Yes, Lawson's
going better than hadj are at Racing Ball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
They won't know he's not. No, no, no, you can't know, Jason.
You can't say that he's not the answer to your
question is Hadja will replace Sonoda. If Sonoda goes, Hadja
is still beating Lawson in terms of points overall. Today
was a bad example for Hadja. But he's a better driver,
and he's doing more and he's on a better trajectory.
I think, okay, And they'll never put Lawson back in

(01:09:41):
Red Bull, so.

Speaker 16 (01:09:43):
I don't think that's a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
That's not a bad thing. Not until well, not until
they change the car. And they don't change their car
until next year is what that boils down to. So
there you go. NPC. Did anyone watch it? You guys
would have watched it, wouldn't you.

Speaker 15 (01:09:56):
I watched it. I quite enjoyed it, Mote. There's a
couple of dramatic finishes. Some of the venues were empty,
which is not a great look. Some were full and
the cargo went off for that Stags Otargo game. I
quite enjoyed this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I saw a bit of the Canady thing, the canterbid
Cannaby looked good. They're going to win the whole.

Speaker 15 (01:10:12):
Thing against Wellington.

Speaker 12 (01:10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:10:15):
I enjoyed the NR Ral as well. There was some
There was some riveting matches across the weekend as well.

Speaker 21 (01:10:21):
Now the issue can I ask about the All Blacks
and who the half backs are going to be.

Speaker 15 (01:10:26):
Well, your unius off the Unix cab off, which's not me.

Speaker 14 (01:10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:10:30):
Well, well, I mean we've got so, we got k
and we need two more now, probably a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Of time angsting Jason about people who were in.

Speaker 12 (01:10:41):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
You're right?

Speaker 21 (01:10:41):
Actually I should I should have wided my her.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
We'll have it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Look, all I know is come the weekend we'll have fifteen.
Will when that'll be the end of it?

Speaker 21 (01:10:49):
Okay, Well I hope you're right. Well I am right, right,
I just wonder how deep we have to go into
our nines.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
That's all fair enough, All right.

Speaker 15 (01:10:57):
Well that's a great it's a great out of shoot mate,
I mean, what's the point. What's the point the shupermarket
on your way home? You get a couple of pounds
above where you come on, I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Mean, what's the point? Look, that's that'll be my attitude
of I as a coach with the All Blacker go right,
I mean, there's no point going I wish he was better,
he's not. So we need to you know, we need
to find someone who can toss the ball round. I'm
still I'm still saying that we'll beat Argentina two times.
Anyone against that?

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:11:23):
No, no, should do?

Speaker 12 (01:11:24):
Should do? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Yeah, okay, we still won won apiece for South Africa.
Anyone argue with me and still beat the Australians both times? Yes? Yes,
so we'll be rugby champions this year. Am I correct?

Speaker 12 (01:11:39):
There you go?

Speaker 15 (01:11:40):
Well a safe place.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Did you see the NFL by the way Friday? What
was on preseason Chargers lines?

Speaker 15 (01:11:49):
What does your life descended into absolute? You're watching NFL
preseason games.

Speaker 21 (01:11:54):
On way to watch the Greyhounds? Did you get to
go one kettle one kettle downy NFL?

Speaker 15 (01:12:00):
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Speaker 10 (01:13:29):
I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
The Brady program, by the way, is a real interesting insight.
Although in episode one, for all of the talk of
what Brady brings, you know, he's a winner and he
can tell what a great team is and I'm a
visionary and all that stuff. First thing they did, and
I didn't know this because I'd forgotten and I don't
follow third division or whatever it is football, they hired

(01:13:51):
Wayne Rooney. So the first thing they did is sack
the coach. And they hired Wayne Rooney, who's about the
most useless coach in the history of useless coaches, and
of course before the end of the season they sacked him.
So so far, not so good. But it's a really
interesting insight into how the community responds when the Americans
come to town and it's ongoing morning Mike Hungarian Qualifying
produced the closest Q three and F one history, with

(01:14:14):
only zero point five four to three separating the top ten.
So that's very much endorsed. What Andrews says, you know,
we're Liam. It's so pointy that point, he end, it's embarrassing.
So the March yesterday in Sydney they went to court.
I was kind of surprised they were allowed to do it,
but the pro Palestinian thing. They went to court. They

(01:14:34):
won the right to close the bridge down and walk
across it, and apparently ninety thousand did. And I saw
some pictures and who would know whether it's ninety thousand
or seventy six, two hundred and fifty. Anyway, it was
pouring with rain. It was a miserable Sunday. And being
a First World city, when the bridge is closed in Sydney,
you do have a tunnel alternative, so you've got actually
two ways to go from the north Shore to the city,

(01:14:55):
which I thought, geez, that's that's a clever idea. I
wonder if anyone's actually thought of that here is obviously no.
So we'll talk to Steve about this and other matters
after the news, which is next you're used, Tog said.

Speaker 14 (01:15:09):
Person Where.

Speaker 19 (01:15:16):
Personnie, the Breakfast show, Kiwi's Trust to stay in the know,
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news Togs dead b but just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Release is the government's new plan for nce A. It's
as predicted, it's sort of going back to what it
used to be, and I'm not one hundred percent it's
I mean, the problem with the NCEEA was the moment
when you said to people you can pick any subject
you want. That's good if you're driven and focused and
you know what you want to do, and you pick

(01:15:49):
a series of subjects that best suits you. If you're
not driven or focused and you're just kind of hanging
around at school until you can leave, then you pick
dance and drama and every other thing that gives you
an easy credit. And that's where it's all gone wrong.
So what they're going to do is they're going to
remove level one. They're going to require students to take
English and maths at year eleven, so that's compulsory again,

(01:16:11):
set a foundation award in numeracy and literacy. They're going
to replace NCAA Levels two and three with two new qualifications,
the New Zealand Certificate of Education at year twelve and
the New Zealand Advanced Certificate of Education at year thirteen.
It requires you to take five subjects past at least
four to get that certificate. Marking's going to come out

(01:16:33):
of one hundred with grades that make sense, like an
ABCD or an EC. You know where you're at. They're
going to link up and this is smart bit of
vocational pathways as well, because not everyone's an academic genius.
Some people want to be mechanics and sparks and all
of that's you're going to do your schooling along with
that sort of thing. New qualifications will be underpinned by
a new national curriculum for years nine through thirteen that
will clearly outline what students need to learn in each

(01:16:55):
subject when providing more consistency. So that'll that's anced I
think they're going to do it at nine. That'll go
out for a month's worth of consultation and then they'll
kick that off. I'm assuming by the beginning of the
school year of twenty twenty seven, twenty two to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Say, Brian, how are you this morning? Good? A, I'm
very well. Now they said what did they say? They say?
Ninety thousand or whatever it was?

Speaker 8 (01:17:22):
Was it?

Speaker 12 (01:17:22):
Do you reckon Taylor two cities. We're talking about the
pro Palestine marches in Melbourne and Sydney yesterday. Yes, it
was pouring rain in Sydney, so something's going on there.
Ninety thousand is what the figure they've settled on. That
was one hundred reported last night, but the morning newspapers
are saying ninety and in Melbourne it was three thousand.

(01:17:43):
So you've got to ask yourself the question. Were there
people who turned out in Sydney yesterday just because they
could march across the Harbor Bridge when it was shut?
And I suspect in many cases that was exactly what happened.
There was the upfront famous faces. Julian assanj appeared out
of nowhere. I don't know where he's been since he

(01:18:06):
got released. You know, he was in that embassy in
London for many years, came back to Australia, hasn't been seen.
He was there yesterday front and center, as was former
Foreign Minister and New Southwest Premier Bob car and Sokkaru
Craig Foster. One of the problems was just behind those three,
which included a green senator marine feruki. Someone was holding

(01:18:27):
up a photograph of the Iranian leader HANMANI standing there
with a rifle. It's the posters and stuff that was
held up. That really was the problem. There was no
agro yesterday on the Sydney Harbor Bridge. They marched across
and then of course met four or five hours of
massive chaos in the traffic. Melbourn is the protest capital

(01:18:50):
of Australia. Three thousand turned out. Among that three thousand,
there's some pretty hardcore people. They got right up into
the faces of Victorian police who got the right squad
out and the mounted police and stop them from getting
onto the King Street bridge. They were burning Australian flags,
which the only reason you do that is to upset

(01:19:11):
people completely, and that's what they've done. They were chanting
debt to Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Will you surprised the court? I mean? And does the
set a precedent? I mean, were you surprise the court
gave them the go ahead? I mean? And what does
that say every time you want to run a march,
now you can run it across the bridge.

Speaker 14 (01:19:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:19:27):
I need to be a bit careful here, But I
looked up the Justice Belinda Rigg, knowing that i'd be
speaking to you this morning. She as a lawyer, had
a career involving working for legal Aid Aboriginal legal service
in Australia. She was the public defender, which meant that
she was paid by the taxpayers to defend people who

(01:19:48):
couldn't afford their own lawyers in working in legal aid,
and she talked about protests being the right of people.
I mean, you're right, it just means at any time
anyone wants to go anywhere. Now the president, you've got
a surprise in court judge saying yeah, okay, no worries,
we'll shut the brig.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
But it's good about the right to protest. No one
sees you can't protest, just not across a singular piece
of infrastructure that buggers up your entire day for the
rest of the world.

Speaker 12 (01:20:10):
Correct in the do it in the park somewhere from
exaal Centennial Park in Sydney's ideal.

Speaker 17 (01:20:16):
It's huge.

Speaker 12 (01:20:16):
He could walk around that twenty five times and no
one would care.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Exactly this working from home thing, I mean, do people
welcome that? Are you so far gone in Melbourne that
every time she says something wacky you go, yeah, just
send it. Good on you.

Speaker 12 (01:20:34):
Well, it seems that's the case. This was the Labor
Party conference on the weekend. One of the motions was
legalized cannabis, all sorts of crazy stuff. But the Premier,
just Senor Allen, got up and made a speech and
said she intends to legislate, which she doesn't have the
power to do, actually, that it become a legal right
to work from home two days at least two days

(01:20:56):
a week. Now the working from home is covered under
the fair At which is a federal peace of legislation,
and so she would have to override the federal government
to have that happen. So I suspect what she did
is she made this speech and thought, I've got an
election coming up in November next year. What was successful
in beating Peter Dutton. Oh, he said that he would

(01:21:18):
make everyone go back to work, which was untrue. What
he said was he would force public servants who are
paid by the Commonwealth to go back to work and
not work from home. So she thinks there's votes in it.
She tossed it out there yesterday, hopes that it will
percolate along until November next year and win her votes.

Speaker 11 (01:21:35):
As simple as that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
The trade thing we got fifteen and we are peeved
to beat the band you got ten? Is that a
win for Elbanezi or was it just going to happen
no matter what, you know, Trump made his mind up
and that was the ind of that.

Speaker 12 (01:21:49):
I think Trump just sort of likes Australia. He doesn't
think about it much. Ten percent was good. We opened
up to the American beef and in his you know,
very straightforwardway, Trump thought, okay, we'll just leave it at ten.
I mean, it's the people that effects of Americans, not us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah exactly, but yeah it does. But I mean you're
selling to the Americans, and the harder it is to
sell to the Americans, the worst it is for you guys.

Speaker 12 (01:22:16):
I guess so. But ten cents the lowest level of
tariff unless you go to zero, and so we're going, okay,
I mean, I don't know what Chile is, but Chile.
I suspect Chile's wine is going to be more expensive
than ours now, and so we'd be happy about that exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Oscar, I don't know if you saw the race, but Oscar,
they stuck Lando on hards and they said you want
to go all the way, and Oscar Jez was a
corner away from getting them.

Speaker 12 (01:22:45):
I'm going to be controversially here. The English engineers in
the McLaren outfit are determined to have Oscar win the title.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Here we go.

Speaker 12 (01:22:54):
They're cheating to keep him from claiming victory in the
world title. I mean, twenty four laps from the end,
they till not Oscar's going to go in and change tires.
I meant, seriously, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
But he was not. He was nine seconds down and
the only way he was going to get paced, he
was the only way he's going to get paced was
to get some mediums on which he got and Lando
was on the hards and so it was you know,
I mean, as much as I want Oscar to win
as well, I think you're pushing that one up hills down. Well,

(01:23:26):
we're more interested in Liam obviously.

Speaker 12 (01:23:29):
Well obviously they're cheating. They're trying to cheat Oscar out
of it. He's got his summer break to come. Now
you watch what happens. What it No matter what Lando knows,
he can put this in the vault and pull it out. Okay,
Lando Knowles would be world champion, not Oscar because they
don't want him to win.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
He's okay, all right, we'll see it and we'll see
you wednesday. Everyone's a conspiracy theorist, aren't they step Price
out of Australia And once again, I really if you
haven't seen the race, even though you know the result,
it's worth watching. It's a good race. Eight forty five The.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Ready So
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Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
That'd be Hi, Mike. The education changes to when CEA
sound very much like my education in Australia, where you
needed to get four subjects in your final years to
get to UNI and you could not get to years
twelve and thirteen without passing English and maths. Kids went
to apprenticeships earlier and were earning and many went on
to manage small businesses. So let's hope it works unless

(01:24:21):
the Teachers' Union and like many of my kids suffered
the NCEEA And all I can say is, thank goodness,
it's going to change. Thank you. Well, listen, it's good
and it's very similar to my schooling. And you're going
back to the eighties and that was you couldn't go
ahead to the next year until you passed whatever it
was you were going for, and that's why I dropped
several subjects. I can't I can't remember what it was

(01:24:42):
I took up music in the fifth form because of
failed tech drawing in the fourth form, and so I thought,
I'll just pick another subject. But you certainly couldn't get
You needed four or five subjects, and you needed to
get if you were going to get internally assessed. I
don't think I mentioned in the piece. They don't mention
much about internal assessment. It'll be interesting to see the
final detail. But unless you got internally assessed, I think
in my particular year to get university entrants, you needed

(01:25:04):
thirty five or above. If you got thirty five or above,
you got it internally, you know, accredited, as they called it,
and if you didn't, you had to set the exam.
So I ended up getting in my philosophy, which was
to do as little as possible to get the hell
out of school as fast as it possibly could. I
ended up getting thirty seven out of whatever was I needed.
So I got it. So we'll see what the reaction is.

Speaker 13 (01:25:25):
Is tick drawing still a thing to do? A question
about people taking tech?

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
It'll be called something different these days.

Speaker 13 (01:25:30):
But it'd be graphic, something would work well. It seemed
to be a big push to get us to all
be architects exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
I mean there still will be. It's just called something different.
Would work. Metal work with subjects tech drawing was a subject,
music and that, and you had to do maths and
English and as science. So I noticed in that there's
nothing in science, so you had to do maths, English
and science.

Speaker 13 (01:25:53):
So by the time I think we really believe in
science anymore, nothing or.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Not not with climate change if you seen climate change
lately exactly. So you so you did five subjects. Smart
kids did six, but you did five subjects. So by
the time you got your three compulsories, you really only
had to choose two. And of the two white shows,
I failed one, so I had to pick another one.
That's how that worked. And then I went onto the
fifth for music, and I failed that as well.

Speaker 13 (01:26:15):
So you criticized kids for doing drama and so forth.
I did drama in sixth form, did you get it?
And performance music yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Did you get it?

Speaker 12 (01:26:22):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (01:26:23):
But then there was no option to take it in
seventh form exactly. So then I suddenly found myself taking
both statistics and calculus.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
As it's starting at the seventh form.

Speaker 13 (01:26:35):
Well, no, because there was nothing, you know, there was
the subjects I'd taken before didn't lead to anything. So
because I'd done sixth form maths.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
So you could suddenly do calculus. And yeah, look.

Speaker 13 (01:26:47):
Where I mean, mister Means will tell you that I
certainly couldn't do calculus.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, but look where it led you.

Speaker 13 (01:26:52):
Yeah, now I can Now I can count backwards in
time most of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
And I can almost tell the time it's nine to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
By the way, Oprah. If your interest is coming back
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tech drawing is still calls called heritage drawing now and
that hard to believe. My daughter's doing tech drawing, Mike,

(01:27:25):
it's called DBC Digital, So what is it? Was it
DBC Digital and Visual or is it heritage drawing? I mean,
come on, let's stop making stuff up.

Speaker 15 (01:27:33):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
You've made my day. I failed tech drawing at Limward two.
I always thought it was the teacher, so we must
have had the same one at Linward High School. Yeah,
it's school swum. I mean if I hadn't had bad
teachers in a dreadful school, I would have passed everything. Well,
so I tell myself. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
A little bit of push back this morning on Jimmy Barnes.
The logis were held last night. The logis are the
sort of the tele awards, and you have the gold
LOGI and a woman from I make It It's Home
Away or Neighbors or whatever. She won. That was nice.
Everyone thought that was a nice thing. And then you
have silver logis. Fisks seem to win everything like that's
still a thing. And it was like actor actress supporting

(01:28:17):
actors supporting actress, Best Comedy. It was just amazing. If
you haven't seen First Gets well worth watching. It's very good.

Speaker 11 (01:28:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Anyway, he was performing old Jimmy. Here he is, who's

(01:28:48):
complaining lots or lots? Is that lots? There are a
bunch of wings, aren't They don't understand.

Speaker 13 (01:28:56):
And unfortunately, as I recall the song. It does a
ramp up towards the end.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
He's already rapped and rapped too soon.

Speaker 13 (01:29:03):
And unfortunately we don't have that audio.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
No, because that's it's gear block. So we did we
VP in that or something? How do we get hold.

Speaker 13 (01:29:11):
I'm assuming barns as people have scrubbed it from the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Is that what it is? Anyway? So he was at
the Logo Awards last night night. There's nothing wrong with that.
He's sixty nine, has had a lot of health issues.
Of course. Old Jimmy's a very nice guy. Had him
on the program any number of times, and every time
we have him on the program, I thoroughly enjoy his company.
So next time he's on, I'll say something along the
lines of, don't you listen to those Assie moners, Jimmy,
you were good at the logis or words to that effect.

(01:29:36):
They said he's in coherent and off keyp But let's
be honest. I've received the same criticism over the years,
and like Jimmy, I just keep on keeping on.

Speaker 13 (01:29:46):
He sounded better there than he did when I saw
him playing support for Tina Turner back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Did you back in the day Glen.

Speaker 13 (01:29:52):
Yeah, he came out after he'd done his opening set
later on and Tina's set to do simply the best
with her. He'd obviously hitting the bottle quite hard.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
And those were the days, Those were the days. Remember
when we used to really stand up. We used to
hit the bottle quite hard before the show. But we
don't anymore, or do we? Who are you calling? We
back tomorrow from sexyteen.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
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