Full Show Podcast: 05 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honors. Facts,
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with A Veda Retirement, Communities, Life,
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
What are you welcome today? The Minister and here r
p Hall of going to school. Some consider unrule cough coverage,
as Scott Robertson on his trip to Argentina taxpayer money
to make reality. Telly Cathrin Field is our EU connection
in Rod Little might well be with us from under
the beat as Flores Rolsword Hosky Welcome to the day,
seven past six. Several bits out of the NCEEA changes

(00:32):
Erica Stamford with us after seven to thirty. Firstly, the
New Zealand Certificate of Education actually sounds like something, doesn't it.
I mean the same way an A tells you something.
The New Zealand Certificate or Advanced Certificate of Education is
a thing you can get your head around, as in
do you have one or do you not? I mean
NCEEA is an acronym under the changes. You need to

(00:53):
pass things, how wonderfully old fashioned. If you don't pass,
you don't advance. Therefore, when you do pass, it actually counts.
It means something having watched NCEEA in action with our
five kids. It has been shocking. Virtually anyone could get it,
and that was and is never a good thing. Under
the new regime, you take five subjects you need to
pass for. Nothing too complicated about that. I would have

(01:14):
thought the compulsion around maths and language. I'm actually a
bit sad about. Choice is good. Freedom is good if
you know what you're doing, if you're aiming somewhere specific,
A tailored approach is vastly more appealing. But in a
mass system you are vulnerable to the chances and the
weakest links, and they were always going to take the
joke's subjects, the easy gets, and as such wreck any
reputation you might have hoped for, run your qualification. The

(01:36):
vocational aspect is years overdue gateway inversions like it's sort
of touched on the trades and specific careers or jobs.
But this fascination of not obsession, we seem to have
had with the university has been ruinous for too many.
Being a trade is actually to be admired, It's not
a second prize. The snobbishness around a university degree has
got so absurd. You've ended up with any number of

(01:56):
bewildered teenagers chasing arts, degrees and b comms for no
discernible and other than that's what they thought they should do.
I'm dreadfully sad though, for the thousands of kids who
have been messed around within CEA. What's its value? I mean,
what weight does a generation of kids place on a
thing that's been binned? For some they got locked down
in COVID as well, given a crap qualification. Thanks for coming,

(02:19):
but onwards and upwards. It's a little bit back to
the future. But along with the mad open classrooms, isn't
it fascinating how forward the old days appear to be.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Wow, News of the world in ninety seconds start.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
In the Middle East, there are claims aid is flowing.
These guys are not convinced.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I wish they were just deliver aid through the crossing.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
This is not a humane practice.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yeah, I mean just thirty percent of people are able
to receive aid and the rest do not receive anything.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
What follows is in fighting and stabbing. This guy is though,
we want the people fed and we're the only country
that's really doing that.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
We're putting up money to get the people fed.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
And Steve would go is doing a great job, and
we want.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Israel to get up better.

Speaker 8 (03:04):
We're giving some pretty big contributions.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
And this guy, he's still working hard to convince the
world he's on the right side of it.

Speaker 9 (03:12):
We must continue to stand together and fight together to
achieve the war goals we have set all of them,
the defeat of the enemy, the release of our hostages,
and the assurance that Gaza will no longer pose a
threat to Israel.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Now they're just sect the R I G by the way.
I'll work you through that in the moment. Then and
brook a couple of things. Firstly, the promise to stop
the boats is guess what.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
This is.

Speaker 10 (03:34):
An issue that is very complex and there's no one
silver bullet that's going to fix it. So anyone who
thinks that it's going to be fixed immediately with the
pressing of one button doesn't understand.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
No. And then we have the whither our latest name
storm is called Floris and that means the trains in
Scotland are heaven travel.

Speaker 8 (03:52):
Trees on the lane or trees on the overhead wires,
which is called for significant disruption across the country. We've
also from the start of service we had speed restrictions
of fifty miles per hour, which meant we had significantly
fewer services than we normally went and.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
The time it couldn't be worse because the fringes in
full swing or was left.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
And pay percent of the total number performances that have
had to be canceled. Obviously, we need to put the
safety of audiences first. We need to make sure that
people can travel to and take part in the fringe
as best they can and as safely as they can.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Finally, from the food file, new research once again in
the UK, it's back the benefits of cooked home cooked
versus ultra process food. Probably not a surprise, there is
the world's though largest and longest randomized controlled clinical trial
of ultra process food. It found that you lose twice
as much weight if you stay away from the store
board stuff. The weight loss from the minimally processed home

(04:44):
cooked was two percent over eight weeks, which would equate
to thirteen percent for me nine percent for women throughout
a year. That, by the way, doesn't include exercise or
dropping food intake. Less than one percent of people in
the UK followed the government's nutritional recommendations, and that's because
they love chip butties and that is news the world.
In ninety Yeah, the AG in Israel, General Gai Miara

(05:05):
voted the government unanimously to sack her as ag abusing
her authority to undermind the government's policies and destabilize Israel's
rule of law. The right wing had been after her
for a while, so you never can tell whether this
is her being incompetent or them just being political, but
it is what it is. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
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Speaker 2 (05:30):
How of my news talks, evy, See, here's your problem.
You heard from Trump the other day in Scotland. Right,
So Ursula goes to Scotland. They got a deal. Well,
no they don't, because the EU have announced this morning
they're suspending their planned countermeasures because they want more negotiations.
So Catherine Field shortly fifteen past Buddy's dole of taking money,
jo Am I Wealth, Andrew Caller, Hurt Good Tuesday morning there,

(05:53):
Good morning mine. And if there's someone we can count
on apart from the farmers in this economy, it is
Rod and his shops.

Speaker 11 (05:58):
He got old briscos Hey. We've got reporting season coming
up in the next few weeks. That'll give us another
lens on how well the economy is going. I'm looking
forward to that. Yeah, But we had a couple of
announcements yesterday from local companies which I think are worth highlighting. Briscoes, Yes,
I would call it one of the barometers of the
local retail sector. I think it's also widely recognized as
one of the most resilient and successful retailers in the country. Look,

(06:22):
I think we can characterize this announcement as good news.
I think we can because they have seen some momentum
return to sales, so their home where sales they've seen
a left they've seen a rebound there with growth for
that their second quarter.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Of trading a smidgeon under four percent.

Speaker 11 (06:37):
That's after their first quarter was impacted by a pretty
slow start to winter. But unfortunately, offsetting that, they're sporting goods,
so I think rebel sport they've had a sales decline
there of one point three to four percent for the quarter. Now,
sporting goods are being seen as more sensitive to that
to the strength of discretionary spense. So that in turn
reflects your tough economic environment and your subdued consumer seat.

(07:00):
But you wrap them together, sales and total just over
two percent, which is pretty good. I think that's not
a bad outcome. Margin's still under pressure though. Brisco shareholders
they've been well rewarded this year. I mean the share
price started the year around five bucks. It's now over
six bucks. That's not a bad going. But they've had
the tailwind of being included in a number of the
local indices. So it's now trading at what I would

(07:22):
call a very or a pretty healthy multiple, which can
be dangerous, but the company keeps delivering.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
So there you go, yeah, exactly. Then we've got thhl
What do you make of that?

Speaker 11 (07:32):
Look what not unexpected? So they've also seen shareholders. They're
also seen a big share price spike back in June.
That was thanks to an unsolicited takeover bit Now the
company has responded to this has taken them awhile they've
responded this yesterday announced to the market that the board
has rejected the offer and probably no surprises there. It's
said it's undervalued and opportunistic. Now the bid is at

(07:53):
two dollars thirty. The board thinks that's too light. They
value the company north of three dollars a share now,
as I say the bid was unsolicited, so they weren't
out there looking for it. It's come from private equity
and actually from management as well. They've said they remain
open to communication from the consortium. But I think you've
got to keep watching the space. I suspect, look, it

(08:14):
was opportunistic, so maybe there's not too much more upside,
but I suspect there's now going to be a bit
of backward and forward.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Share price is just over.

Speaker 11 (08:22):
Two dollars, which is below the two dollars thirty bid level,
and notably well below the three dollars that's referenced in
the announcement yesterday.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and now we're back looking at the ten yields,
are we Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I just want to note this.

Speaker 11 (08:34):
We've said very weak labor market numbers out on the
US on Friday night, the non farm payrolls numbers, So.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Share markets got slapped by the way.

Speaker 11 (08:42):
They have recovered overnight, not not completely, but they have recovered.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
But it's actually moved a lot of other assets around
as well.

Speaker 11 (08:48):
And I want to mention interest rates because it's pushed
wholesale interest rates in the US quite a bit lower.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
And I always need to remind people that.

Speaker 11 (08:55):
There's a good degree of correlation between the US longer
term interest rates and our own.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
They move, we move. So the US tenure sitting about
four point two.

Speaker 11 (09:04):
It has been all over the place this year. Back
in April it was down at four percent, by May
it was up at.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Four point six.

Speaker 11 (09:10):
But as I say, moves our rates around as well.
So nuged our longer rates lower lower here yesterday as well,
which is a good thing. The logic here mic is
that the US economy is potentially slowing, and so you'll
see further falls in the Fed funds rate, but possibly
lower growth levels as well.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
That's one of those things that we just have to
see how it plays out.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
But then to talk to me and see they argue
that when it comes to the oil, right, so if
you put more oil into the market, are you then
banking on the fact that the more will offset the
drop in price.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, So there's a few things going on.

Speaker 11 (09:42):
So the other one, that's the other thing that moved
on Friday was the oil price. So and we do
need to give this a mention because it's sixty eight dollars.
I was down below sixty nine bucks. So towards the
end of last week, Mike, it crude spiked over seventy
three bucks, which is not good for inflation, particularly when
you've got a weak New Zealand dollar, because not only
is it costs more, but you need more New Zealand
pesos to.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Buy the stuff.

Speaker 11 (10:02):
So but then on Friday, that non pomp paraite can
what it basically says is suggests the risk of the
weiki US economy has increased, so you get weak economy,
less demand for oil price goes down. But then over
the weekend as well, the OPEC Plus consortium agreed to
another production hike. Now I'm not I'm not quite sure
what the what the logic is and what's going on

(10:22):
in the background with OPEC Plus and the oil price,
because I suspect there's a lot of political stuff going
on as well. But this has been a theme for
a little while. It is the sixth consecutive month that
the cartel has agreed to increase production five hundred and
forty seven thousand barrels a day.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
But hey, at the end of the day, we've got
a cheap oil price.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's they can pump pumping in as long as they like. Now,
what are the numbers there, so here we go.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
The Dow Jones is up one point one percent. Started
the week up four hundred and about four hundred and
eighty points.

Speaker 11 (10:48):
It's over forty four thousand again forty four thousand and
sixty six. The S and P five hundred one point
three percent sixty three to two to zero. The Nasdaq
pushing even higher than that one point eight percent, hasn't
recovered all the ground it lost, but it's up three
hundred and seventy five points, twenty one than twenty five.
The forty one hundred gained two thirds of percent nine
one two eights.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
That closed there.

Speaker 11 (11:10):
The Nikko wasn't playing that game. It fell one hudred
quarter percent forty thousand, two hundred and ninety. The Shanghai
pomps it up twenty three points. That's about two thirds
of percent three five eight three. The OSSI's small game
yesterday eight sixty six three, but we lost forty five
points on the nz at X fifty, closing at twelve thousand,
six hundred and.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Eighty four point five nine oh two.

Speaker 11 (11:30):
That's the Keywi dollar against the US point nine one
three three, Ossie point five one zero one Euro point
four four four four all the fours against the pound
eighty six point seven six Japanese en gold is trading
at three thousand, three hundred and seventy three dollars and
as I said, breakthroughed sixty eight dollars and eighty three cent.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Good Man, go well, see you tomorrow. Andrew Kella jjmowealth
dot co dot m Z Paski, Greeking of Oil BP
anounced erby night largest oil and Nasha natural gas discovery
in twenty five years as off the coast of Brazil.
They're seeking, of course, to bolster their oil and gas
portfolio because we've all worked out that the transition's fine,
but we're just not there yet, so we need a
bit more of it. Biggest fine since ninety nine. No

(12:08):
reserve estimate. Although we cannot extrapolate as it's too early,
we believe the data provides support that the potential scale
of this one hundred percent VP discovery could be a
quote unquote game changer. Six twenty two reviews Talk.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
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Speaker 2 (12:34):
You what I'm still recovering from the bombing the other day.
Tehran seems to be in trouble with water. They've got
a day zero situation, which I always find fascinating. Day
zero is the day when you run out of water,
when you turn on a tap in a place, in
this case to Tehran and there will be no water.
So they've had a water criss on going. I mean,
obviously it's fairly arid part of the world. Reservoirs are

(12:55):
shrinking at the moment, inherently short supply basically forever. But
the differences time run hitting the capitol, and there's quite
a few people in the capitol. There's ten million people
in the capitol. So it's decades of poor water management,
it's increasing imbalance between supply and demand, all that usual stuff.
But Day zero is coming, they say within weeks six
twenty five.

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Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm not screaming, Okay, so listen all do you have
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yesterday and Sydney wearing a mask, and I'm just trying
to work out you're wearing a mask because you're worried
about disease, or you're wearing a mask because you're Jamie
Lee Curtis and you don't want to be recognized. You're

(14:31):
wearing a mask because you're just like a freaky person
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in cinemas, remember the cinema the twelfth of December. Man Housing.
I don't know whether this is monthly noise or not,

(14:51):
but some really, I mean on the surface, good numbers
have come out of Auckland housing in the last month.
So we'll get the details in just a couple of moments. Means,
the news is next here a news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
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Speaker 2 (15:11):
So the EU, Germany, Germany has been consistent. We'll go
to Catherine Field shortly. Germany has been consistent. They were
never a fan of what was unfolding with Trump and
Turnbury in Scotland with Vandalayan last week. The Italians were
sort of somewhere in the middle as far as I
could work out. The French thought it was okay. The
point being this morning is they were going to put
in some sort of you know, balancing, retaliatory, whatever word
you want to use tariffs to meet the Americans. They've

(15:34):
now delayed that for some six months because they want
to get back to the negotiating table. So did we
have a deal? Did we ever have a deal or not?
And that's good. You remember when I was talking to
Catherine last week, So she turns Vandalayan up at Turnbury.
Trump's sitting there going, well, it's fifty to fifty as
we sit here, I don't know whether we can cut
a deal or not. They go away to a room

(15:54):
and literally ten minutes later they got a deal. I mean,
it was the weirdest thing. It turned out to be
on the pile of bs. Anyway, from shortly twenty three
to seven, right, got some fascinating data around ulphin hous
in July hotter than a hot thing, apparently, sales up
nine percent from June nine percent. New listing's up fourteen

(16:14):
percent month on month. Now four Buffet and Thompson they
sold nine hundred and fifty seven properties. Is that a lot? Yes,
it's the most in four years. Peter Thompson's managing director,
of course, and as well us Peter morning, yeah, good morning, Mike.
Is this an outlier or is August going to track
some so we're heading towards springing a new tomorrow and
the whole world's changing.

Speaker 16 (16:32):
Yeah, I think if we take the last three to
six months, we've actually been tracking up very slightly month
after month, and I think there's just a little bit
more confidence coming in the real estate market. Traditionally June
and July are our slowest month's been winter, but yeah,
we're actually starting to see a lot more activity, which

(16:53):
is very pleasing.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Can we cut through it all and have some reasons?
I mean, why would you list in the middle of
winter unless you have to people leaving the country? Are
they feeling bullish and trading up? What's going on?

Speaker 16 (17:04):
No, we're actually starting to see quite a lot of
first home buyers getting into the market. You know, the
average median and average sale price for Auckland have come
down just slightly over the last few months. You know,
were originally at the beginning of the essay over a
million dollars were now down around about nine hundred and
ninety thousand. So we're starting to see a few more

(17:26):
of the first home buyers, a little bit more activity
with some of the developers. With the fast tracking that's
come in there's a little bit more movement starting to happen,
and everything's just sort of just starting, and I think
that's the pleasing thing. But it's all led by the
interest rates of course.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Okay, So if we're doing and feeling that right here
now in the depth of winter, could we feel bullish
about September, October and November.

Speaker 16 (17:51):
I personally think we well, I wouldn't say bullish, but
certainly we're going to see a lot more activity, and
traditionally September October, as you say, are our better months.
When the weather comes out, we certainly start seeing the
higher price properties come in. That will effect obviously the
average sale price, but you know, if you average it
out over the year, we're really basically the price is

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aesthetic and the volume of properties are increasing.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And what do you what weight do you place on
the so called interest rate flow through? So allegedly you've
got a couple more cuts coming from the r but
it's not automatic into the retail end. But nevertheless, it's
you know, it's putting pressure on the data. Does that
fire everything up?

Speaker 16 (18:30):
It certainly does. But I think it's not just for property.
I think you getting money in their hands is certainly
helping with you know, the average person on the street
with every day spending. And you know, we've just got
to look at what's happened in the rural market. The
farmers are happy and now we're starting to see you know,

(18:50):
most probably the rural land sales over the last three
or four years have been almost non existent, but now
we're doing to see activity and that's all good signs.

Speaker 13 (18:57):
I know.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
It's a big talking point in the industry. If Lux
and Tomorrow announced that foreign buyers can come back and
start buying four five million dollar houses, how materially does
that affect the market? Do you think.

Speaker 16 (19:10):
It won't affect It's huge, and I've heard these discussions
going on and reality that there's the protection for the
first home buy The five million really will only most
probably affect say maybe Auckland and say the Southern Lakes districts.

(19:32):
We need to be able to spread it through the
country and they may have to lower that that five million,
but maybe they have to add on extra for investment
that they're talking about. So a total of ten million dollars,
it could be five million in Auckland with five million investment,
it could be three millions a in Wellington with seven
million investment. I think they just need to be aware

(19:53):
that we've got to be able to spread some of
those foreign buyers. There's a lot of people wanting to come.
I've just come back from Singa Paul, for instance, it
was amazing over there we have a they have free
trade and combined there they don't apply to our policy.
Very few Singaporeans realized that, and I think that's a
message we've actually got to get out to them.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well said Appreciate Times of Wat's Peter Thompson, who's the
managing director of course of Barfoot and Thompson are eighteen
minutes away from seven time pas skiing contrast. Have a
look at the Herald this morning. Big Projects abandoned the
third delayed unbuilt dire State of Auckland CBD. So this
is and Gibson's property Insider. There's a growing concern apparently
if you've been downtown Auckland, I mean you can see

(20:35):
it about a lack of activity, deferral's delays, abandonment. SIT's
unsold for a year, sometimes decades. Every day we're getting
closer to suber than Sydney. It's a guy called James Keller,
Who's worth New Zealand mortgages and securities, No parking, crime, homelessness,
almost impossible to get a consent to do anything. So
I'll read that in WEEP eighteen too.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
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Speaker 2 (20:59):
It by News Talks, It be Mortie. Mike, how refreshing
to hear someone being positive? I agree, but he had
the numbers to back it up. It's all very well,
just to be positive, positive, You don't want to be
polyannerish about it, but you have the numbers to back
it up. Mike's pretty obvious. People have realized interest rates
aren't going any lower, even though we all know they should.
I think they're going to. They're going to have to.
I think there's two cuts coming before the end of
the year. And as I've said a million times, I

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reckon neutrals probably about two and a half of the
R six forty.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
What Catherine Field to cut through the mess from the
shambles and tell us what on earth's going on with
this trade? Business? Morning to you, Catherine, given So there
you're at Turnbrie, and Ursula's there and Donald's there, and
they've got a deal, and now we don't what an
earth is going on.

Speaker 14 (21:45):
I think everyone has suddenly focused on the seventh of August,
this Thursday, when the tariffs are due to come into
a fact. Of course, the one country that's completely shocked
at the moment, Mike is Switzerland. Of course, they've really
been had hard. Thirty nine percent US export tariff has
come down on them. There's one of the steepest globally.

(22:09):
And of course the Swiss had been negotiating for over
the last three months.

Speaker 17 (22:13):
They thought they'd.

Speaker 13 (22:13):
Done a deal.

Speaker 14 (22:14):
They thought they were ready for maybe ten percent, possibly
fifteen percent, but then this came down. Not quite sure why.
Some are saying it's because they're particularly bad tempered. Telephone
call between US President and the Swiss president last Thursday,
Perhaps that happened.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
No one's quite sure.

Speaker 14 (22:34):
There was an emergency cabinet meeting a couple of hours ago.
The statement came out from that saying that Switzerland is
about to make a more attractive offer to the US,
taking US concerns into account. No clues what that offer
would be. Mike possibly offered to buy more LNG liquidified

(22:54):
natural gas, but just really absolute panic in Switzerland of course,
again and another export oriented economy. Sixteen percent of their
goods go to the US. We're talking about big luxury items,
you know, watchers, chocolate, pharmaceutical machinery. It could have a
really harsh knock on effect to the Swiss economy.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yes, it could. So we wish them all the very
best with that. As far as you guys are considered,
have you got I mean, the Germans have been consistent,
haven't they. They didn't really like what happened to Turnbury
the other day? And so it is Europe aligned with
what you want to do with America or not?

Speaker 14 (23:31):
Really not really, It really does depend who you speak to.
I mean, yes, France and Germany are essentially saying what
went wrong? You know, We've got the German finance minister
heading to the US at the moment. He's going to
have talks there with the Treasury Sectory, but he's pretty
much going on alone there, Mike. He's going there to
talk about special exemptions for the German steel sector. He's

(23:53):
clearly not going there to talk for Europe because they
just feel that they've got to worry about their electorate
now and jobs in their market interest enough, Still no
word from French prison tom Manuel Macaron. He's keeping very quiet.
But of course it's summer here, so you wouldn't expect
them to say much. But then again, my youth, we're

(24:13):
heading towards this Thursday and it could be a bit
of an upset again if someone doesn't manage to pull
something off. Certainly no one's expecting a sort of underline
to come back and say, well, I got it all wrong.
We've managed to renegotiate something that's just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Hey, how's Pauline on her bicycle?

Speaker 14 (24:32):
Eh? Oh, didn't we just need the SATIRRASA Pauline for
Hans Prevos.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
She's won the women's.

Speaker 14 (24:40):
Tour of Hans Yes, okay, it's not as big as
the man. That's only nine days, nine stages the men
do twenty one stages. But absolutely wonderful. She came home.
She was wearing the yellow jersey on the final stage.
She did it for France. Of course, it comes on
top of her first her Olympic goal last year in
Paris she went it on the VTT, So yeah, everyone

(25:03):
absolutely excited by that, except for the money side of it.
She gets about ninety eight thousand New Zealand dollars, whereas
the one who won the men's competition got just over
one point one million New Zealand ors.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
How's your whether I'm reading another one of those alarmist
articles here on the local media saying our whole summer
holiday thing in Europe now is on the edge because
we can't stand the heat. Is it one hundred and
twelve degrees as you speak?

Speaker 13 (25:30):
No, not yet.

Speaker 14 (25:31):
In fact, we've had a pretty cool July. But they're
saying there's going to be another heat wave coming up
by the end of this week. Certainly up at you.
You do notice the trends and tourism. People are not
going to the south as much as used to. People
rethinking where they're going to go to Spain. If you
can bear the cold water and the channel, go to
the Normandy coast is what people are saying that. I

(25:52):
think I'm just stay home.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But what about Finland. You went to Finland? Where do
you go to Finland?

Speaker 13 (25:56):
Then? Was glorious?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, exactly all right.

Speaker 14 (25:59):
You can go swimming and beautiful crystal plair, blue waters,
go to the legs Warves wonderful.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
What more do you want? Catherine Field always pleasure. She's
back with us next Tuesday here on the Mike Hosking
Breakfast ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
They'd be very good piece of reading for you that
I'll get back to you later on about And this
is US following Australia. So their social media ban that
they seem absolutely obsessed with and somehow believe that it's
going to work, or do they? There is good reason
why the social media ban in Australia won't work, and
the government knows it. So in other words, it's just

(26:35):
it's smoking mirrors, basically the thing yesterday. I think I
alluded to it briefly yesterday. I can't remember, but I
certainly alluded it to it at the time. So Jennison, Genesis,
Meridian and Mercury in Contact have got together and this
is the ultimate ironies of ironies, and I noted this.
I thought about this over the weekend when I heard
the announcement from Megan Woods that she wasn't going to

(26:58):
be standing for her electric in christ ut Or. She
was just happy to be a list MP, and I
thought that that says something about a person to be blunt.
You know, if you are seen to be the prime
minister or the finance minister. I get that. I would
I think anyone would struggle to be an electric MP
plus a very very senior politician. But when you're in
opposition doing not a lot and you decide the electorate's

(27:19):
all a bit difficult and you just might sit there
on the list for a while. That's got work from
Home vibes about it to me. Anyway, Why did I
mention her well, because she was, of course the person
who cut the power and the oil off in the
first place. So to the announcement yesterday to the market Genesis, Meridian,
Mercury and Contact, they've announced that they club together and
they're just going to buy shed loads of coal for

(27:41):
lord knows how many years to get us through this
miraculous transition that's just any day now going to save
the world and us in winter five minutes away from seven,
the ins and the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
It's the beiz with business favor, take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
From Tesla this morning, it's not quite as big as
he was hoping for because he's still in court. I refer,
of course to Elon. But he's come up big on
the payday with the board awarding him an interim package
of ninety six million shares. Is that a lot? Quite
a lot, because worth about forty nine billion New Zealand
dollars stipulation, who's going to hang around? So these are
golden handcuffs. Basically, he's got to continue for the next

(28:21):
couple of years as the CEO or in some key
executive position. It's also interim given he is still in
court scrapping away. That court case, by the way, started
seven years ago, and back then what had happened if
you haven't followed the story, is the shareholders approved this
paypacket that was worth ninety five billion, but it was
blocked with the courts because it was alleged Musk had

(28:41):
sham negotiations with directors who were not independent. If he
eventually wins that battle, the interim package is null and void,
so he doesn't get today's lot, plus you know the rest.
He only gets the original Anyways, Currently, the largest shareholder
holds about thirteen percent with the paypacket, and an announcement
to day would take him to about fifteen percent, but
he wants even more. He's a bit worried about being

(29:02):
asked to buy active as shareholders. That's his maintenance ern zone,
I mean upshots. He can afford the power bell. He's
not worried about Genesis stockpiling Coali's. You know, he's okay,
can probably full his own woinodmill and battery if he
wants it. What are we talking about after seven o'clock
this morning. But we're going to go into the trades.
And I mean, if you've listened to this program on
a regular basis over a long period of time, you
will know my view on the trades and just how

(29:24):
hopeless it has been in the education system as we've
obsessed about going to university at all costs. And being
a trade is actually a good thing, and you can
be a very good trading and then before you know it,
you can own your own company and call yourself Jonesy.
And the next thing you do, you around at my
place charging me tens of thousands of dollars to dig
holes in the ground and put drains it. And he
looked all right to me. I thought, now, did Jonesy,

(29:45):
did Jonesy get a b com No he didn't. Jonesy
dug some holes at my place and charge me tens
of thousands of dollars for some drainage, and that's being
a trading and so at last we're starting to recognize this.
So we'll do more on this after the news, which
is next your reduced talks.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
There'd be.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
The only report you need to start your day. The
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Speaker 2 (30:12):
Seven past seven, So perhaps one of the more exciting
parts of the new STOK school curriculum reform, very direct
link to the trades and vacational training subjects will be
co designed with industry to boost career viability. James mcdowald
is the head of Advocacy at the MTA and is
with us. James, morning, morning, Mike. How are you good?
Are you excited?

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I am.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
It's a very very welcome change. It was a pleasure
to attend the funeral yesterday of NCA and I very
much look forward to the future and particularly what we're
going to be doing with vocational pathways.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
What's your interface currently with the schooling system.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Well, this gateway program which tries to go in there
and get kids and get them to on job environments,
you know, tertiary thundered and not paid for. That's there's
a little bit of interface, but ultimately the the big
problem with NCAA is it's just an absolute dog's breakfast.
And when you've got more than forty percent of kids
who pick just a few credits here and there in

(31:10):
vocational pathways, that's that's not a pathway into the serious
pathway into the trades. That's then just you know, and
that's how the system works and incentivisers gaming the system
and picking up little credits here and there. So doing
away with all that what we would very much like
to see now, and it's part of the consultation process

(31:31):
is saying, look, okay, we're going to do this big
core subjects. Let's have say, in our case, an automotive subject,
and we all work with the polytechs and providers like
MITO that do the on job training and start the
moving exactly the best.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
So I want to be an engineer in F one,
is that how it's going to work for me. I'll
do my maths, I'll do my English, and I'll do
something that channels me towards that.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
Yes, it's a lot like the old days, a lot
of the old system, or perhaps more contemporarily like more
like Cambridge. At the moment where you have your core subjects,
there'll be much less choice, for sure. I think that's
the problem with NCA. There's just far too much flexibility.
You've got something like over eleven thousand unit standards you
can choose from that make up these qualifications. That's just

(32:19):
a complete mess. You know, you might get a few
credits for learning how to put oil in a car.
That does not make you an automotive engineer, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, it doesn't. Do you think we will be able
to it? Because I've been banging on about this literally
for years. Do you think we will be able to
break the psychological whatever it is that we have with university.
Not that university is bad or any of that if
your on a pathway, but this fixation with getting a
be calm or whatever it is as opposed to the
trades which are second place.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Well, that's been one of the strong messages from the
government and then talking to ministers in the last few days,
and they would really like to see the trades elevated
and not seen as you know, a fallback option for
those that don't do very well at school. You know,
let's be honest, these are highly skilled roles, and these
are future business owners and having a much more coherent

(33:09):
pathway into whether it's full on job training through MITO
or whether it's into a polytechnic. Having that they're in
the school and then they get halfway halfway through the
thing anyway, that will raise its profile. I think.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
So that's the this part good stuff. James Wilder, James mcdell,
who's with the MTA this morning, timidus past seven PASKI.
I reckon that was the most positive government announcement that's
been made so far in this government in terms of reaction.
Our newsroom ran a few negative stories, as they normally do,
but apart from that, overall, yesterday seem to me for
something as large as it is, and believe me, it's large, overall,

(33:43):
most people seem to say thank the Good Lord for that. Anyway.
Erica Stamford's with us in about twenty minutes ten past seven,
so got some community angst over proposals to cut more
rural police were in Canterbury, where consultations underway and restructuring
to a more centralized model. So they're looking to fire
a twenty four seven hubs, places like Roliston and Rangula,
which of course are booming. Beckscreen is the president of

(34:04):
Fed Farmers North Canterbury and as with us bex morning,
good morning, how are you very well? So we're talking
colvid at least in those sort of areas, right coret okay,
So do you know what's going on? Because I heard
yesterday someone's going, oh my god, they're going to close
down Arthur's Path. Arthur's Pass hasn't had a copy it
for two years, so why wouldn't you close it down.

Speaker 18 (34:23):
Look, they're looking at changing or reducing a lot of
areas in rural cranks Canterbury. So for the likes of
Colvidin we have two police officers there, they will be
disestablished and take entering Euroe.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
The argument is that just because you close a police
station doesn't mean you're not going to have someone on
the beat. Do you accept that or is that a
possibility or no?

Speaker 18 (34:45):
I absolutely don't accept it. Our police live in our community.
They know the people and they understand the community. If
you lose that in a in a rural community. It's
a huge.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Impact, right, So where are you at with the police
and what of the police saying to you as opposed
to what they think they can do and what they
will do.

Speaker 18 (35:05):
That's a good question. We were not consulted or the
community was not consulted prior to hearing this in the media,
so we're obviously quite disappointed. Since then, we have I
have spoken to Tony Hill. He is coming to our
community meetings on Wednesday up in Colbenan and obviously we'd
like to ask him a lot of questions.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah, you can't blame you can't blame them in theory.
I mean Rollinson rangure is booming and therefore more people,
more cops. So you can see why they're focusing on
those areas, can't you.

Speaker 18 (35:34):
Oh but that doesn't mean that you should take away
the yal police in our royal communities.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
No, So what sort of timeframe we're dealing on this?
When do we need to bring your back back and
work out what's going on here?

Speaker 18 (35:45):
Look, the submissions are closed or the two week consultation
with the staff closes next Wednesday, the thirteenth of July. Okay,
in that time, the community can write submissions and we
obviously have our community meetings technique this Wednesday where we
hopefully can get some answers to the questions that we
have around how it impacts our community, and then I

(36:08):
guess from there we'll find.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Out all right, We'll stay in touch. Bex preciate. It
Becks Green, president of Fed Farmers in North Canterbury, thirteen
minutes past seven Scale predictions for tomorrow's unemployment number five three.
Everyone seems to be thinking five three. It's currently five
to one. The odd person goes five too. I think
the RB's going five to two. Five three is what
most people seem to think. That would mean that the
economy shit about forty thousand jobs over the last couple
of years. They've got wage growth at about two, which

(36:32):
is interesting because inflation that way it is at the
moment and the band is high twos and trending up,
which means you going backwards. And there is also an
argument I think it was Miles at A and Z
who was arguing that there might have been a bit
of labour hoarding going on. In other words, a lot
of businesses were holding on to some people thinking things
were coming right coming right, coming right, and if you

(36:53):
suddenly change your mind one Monday morning and go, you
know what, they're not as right as I thought there were.
We might be still laying a few people off. So
it'll be interesting tomorrow to get that number.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
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Speaker 2 (37:07):
That Be Now you may not know the name again,
or a mirror hunt if you don't a light line
before eight o'clock and she's with us after. I think
you're going to enjoy her story. Sixteen past seven, So
New Zealand on air as in the taxpayer branching out
of this funding of reality Telly. So you've got Traders
New Zealand and celebrity Treasure Island both getting well in
excessive a million dollars each after TV and C and

(37:28):
three apparently threatened to can them. Iron Gardens, president of
the Screen Producers Association, and is back with us Iron
Morning the Morning, Mate. How do you know when you're
sitting there looking to hand out money and TBNZ comes
to you and tell you what, if you don't give
us money, we're going to can them, whether they're bluffing
or not.

Speaker 15 (37:45):
Ah Man money's so tired at the moment. The conversations
are pretty intense, so I don't think there's a lot
of bluffing going on. I think we're all kind of
working together. It's become a very united industry really, because
the common enemy now is the International streaming Agency is
kind of stealing all of our ad rev And that's

(38:07):
the background to this, that's the background to end it
on here going a wee bit broader, and it's remitched
from the more public goods sort of things that's done before.
There's just so little commercial money around now at the networks.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
We'll tell us.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
How because back in my day, Irene, if you're.

Speaker 15 (38:25):
Stuck, made lots of money, made a heap.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Anyway, Celebrity Treasure Island goes. I don't know, I've never
watched it, obviously, but you put it primetime TV two, right?
Are you telling me that you cannot put a television
program on Primetime TV two and not celebdvertising around that
that covers anymore?

Speaker 15 (38:45):
Not anymore? No way, not anymore. No, I'm not lying.
They cut about fifty million out of spending on local
production last year across the two main channels. It's really
desperate out there's the adriv is just so low, and
it's because of big tech and it's gone completely unregulated
and it's incredibly tough, and you know, to reassure people,

(39:05):
I mean, this is not entered on air, you know,
doing a race to the bottom. I mean you use
the term reality and yes, technically yes they are. But
you know, the Traders is a pretty sophisticated entertainment format
that's pretty well.

Speaker 19 (39:17):
Made, can I be?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Also, without insolving my verage of friend Paul Henry, Traders
didn't rate on TV three, not much rates on TV three,
where as Celebrity Treasure Island. Celebrity Treasure Island does right, yes,
and pure numbers. Celebrity would be Traders all day long,
every day of the week, wouldn't it.

Speaker 15 (39:36):
And Celebrity Treasure Island is also, you know, a really
good vehicle for New Zealand talent and humor and all
of that. I would argue with you about the ratings
of Traders I think, bearing in mind what free to
Weere ratings are at the moment and what it also
did online, it actually did very well and it is
definitely a viewer fame. It's also the new Zealm versions
also thought of as one of the best in the world,

(39:57):
and it is selling. And see that's that's the area
where the growth is starting to happen. If you can
start to get more international sales, more international money, then
inded On his contribution can reduce.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 15 (40:07):
But yeah, it's a heck of a time for inded
On here. Honestly, the pressure on them for the decisions
at the moment is intense.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Should I go on Celebrity Treasure Island give them the.

Speaker 15 (40:17):
Help, Well, that would be entirely up to you.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It invited me on a number of years ago. But
you know they don't pay any money, and I, you know,
like one would I don't think so, Yes, you probably wins,
I reckon, I probably would. I ring nice to talk
to you, Iren Gardener, who's the president of the Screen
Production Development Association. See now I can't do it because
if I went on and won, everyone go, oh that's rigged.

(40:44):
Don't you have to form alliances on those sorts of shows?
No alliance of one. I'd change the format. It'll be
an alliance of one.

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I do you know what, I've at least partially changed
my mind on charging tourists. So the idea that you
can wander around our conservation of state for free is

(42:05):
of course nuns. And like the various charges that we've
placed on tourists, whether it be at the border or
potentially in a hotel with a bed tax, the simple
truth is if we got our act together in terms
of marketing and seek capacity into the country, people would
actually be happy to pay. Why because everyone pays for
everything all over the world. And if post COVID travelers
taught us anything it's that you can basically rob a

(42:26):
tourist blind they're still happy to pay. And that's before
you get to the bit where our dollar is so pathetic.
Most people coming here can't believe what they get in exchange.
But as part of the conservation announcement over the weekend,
if you followed that, what we also got was New
Zealand's great problem, the negative reaction. As much as we
love our open spaces and cleaner in national parks, you
have never seen a group of people more determined not

(42:48):
to have anyone else touch them. God forbid, we should
open the place up to a bit more business. We've
seen it for years in the rama, of course, and
groups like Forest and Bird, who must have spent millions
by now hour on lawyers and the Environment Court looking
not to change anything. Are the quiet Skies type groups
of Wayhiki in various other locations around the country determine
never to see a chopper polluting their environs. Ever, again,

(43:11):
there is this default position whereby we're happy to be
left tolone. We don't like intelopers, intruders or eck tourists,
and we certainly don't want them tramping over our stuff,
far less eck landing a helicopter and then tramping over
our stuff. We don't like cruise ships either, so we've
made them ruinously expensive to park here so they don't anymore.

(43:33):
Yay win for the greenies. What we do like, though,
there's lots more money, lots more hospital beds, much more education,
lots of welfare, lots of generous dollops of free stuff,
all paid for by the money tree in Wellington. The
fact tourism, the conservation estate, ships and rich Americans and
EC one thirties pay for a lot of that doesn't
seem to have registered hosking. I reckon you could have

(43:56):
driven a truck through her response to you being on Treasure,
and yeah, I reckon you probably could. To What she
was actually thinking is she's a television programmer for wayback.
She was just thinking how transformational that would be me
appearing on Treasure. That was her programming mind there. So
it wasn't negative. I saw it as positive. Mike, when's
the last time you watched primetime television?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
For you?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But that's a very good point. No one does any well, well,
that's not true. People do, which I didn't honestly realize.
And I trust her. She's one of the brightest brains
in broadcasting in this country. It stuns me to think that.
So this goes back to my experience on television back
in those days. You would get the biggest program in
television is the new six o'clock news on TV one,

(44:34):
followed by seven sharp, followed by probably Shortland Street, and
after that falls off a cliff. But you're down to
two hundred thousand people something like that. But I still assumed,
obviously incorrectly, that at two two hundred and fifty thousand people,
you can put together a program and wrap some advertising,
branding and marketing around it that would at least pay
that program's way, if not make money. Now she's telling

(44:56):
us that's not true. Now that's not true. We're buggett
because basically, apart from three programs on television and occasionally
used to get your Dancing with the Stars and all
that sort of stuff, apart from three programs on television,
I the New seven Sharp and Country Calendar or Shortland
Street television doesn't make any money anymore. And if that's
the case, we really are truly in trouble. Mike, I

(45:18):
never watched TV, but if you went on Treasure Island,
I would, well, there you go. You see, that's the
sort of ratings pull. I had news for you in
a moment than Erica Stanford.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking
Breakfast with Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life your Way, News togstead
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Speaker 2 (45:41):
Minutes away from a So just a reminder of where
we're going educationally as of yesterday, So level one is going.
We will have a New Foundational Skills Award recognizing literacy
and numeracy. Then comes the New Zealand Certificate of Education
and Advanced Certificate, and as we mentioned earlier, we are
begun the vacational training at long last. Eric Stanford is
of course the Education Minister enterspect the same period this morning.
To you can I was saying on the show earlier

(46:02):
on it seems, broadly speaking, for such a large announcement
yesterday to have been pretty well received.

Speaker 17 (46:10):
Look, it has been. I think parents intuitively knew that
there was something that wasn't quite right about NCA, and
they've had the space to be able to say over
the last couple of weeks, actually it hasn't been working
in these ways for our children, and now they get
to have their say with the new plan that's out
for consultation today.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Did you look at Cambridge Baccalaureate anything that was already
in play, simply replace it or not.

Speaker 17 (46:33):
I had a group of about twenty great principles who
formed an advisory group for me, and they looked at
every jurisdiction across the world and looked what worked, what
didn't work, and pulled together the plan that you see
in front of you. There are certain things about Cambridge
that are great, there are certain things that aren't quite right,
and so we've looked at what we can do to

(46:54):
be world leading.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Okay, so this would be something that the rest of
the world will look at in time and go we
will do that too.

Speaker 17 (47:02):
Well, that is a plan with all of my education reforms.
I want us to be world leading. We've already had
accolades about our primary maths and English curriculum. We've had
accolades about moving to structure. Let you see, the first
country in the world to do so, all of the
resources we're pumping in, I've got other countries now coming
to us looking at our teachers and what they're doing
on the ground and saying we want to replicate this,

(47:23):
and that's a great place for us to Do.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
You have any sense or did you reach out? Do
you have any sense of the bipartisanship required here? What's
to stop them flipping it?

Speaker 17 (47:32):
It's really important. This is our national qualification. And I
made the point very early on in this process that
we have to be aligned on this. We cannot be
flip flopping. And of course I reached out and I've
been very dogmatic about that.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
And are they on board, Well, you'll have to ask
them about that. While I was watching them yesterday, they
don't seem committed to it. Does it worry you? I mean,
you've just thrown out twenty years of something that apparently
we were living with perfectly happily. What's to stop them
throwing out?

Speaker 17 (47:58):
Well, I'm sure I don't think we were living with
it perfectly happily because I don't think kids were reaching
their full potential and we weren't ambitious enough. And we
are ambitious.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
So my only problem with what was announced yesterday is
that if you've got kids, and having had five of them,
there's some experience for you. But if you've got kids
that are on a pathway and know what they're doing,
choice is a good thing. And it may be that
English isn't what they need in year twelve or thirteen
or eleven or whatever. You know, they may be going
somewhere else whereas this takes that away from them.

Speaker 17 (48:26):
No, not really. We are trying to get that balance right,
the perfect balance of flexibility with consistency, taking away some
of the complexity for more simplicity. But there will be choice.
We are saying you have to do foundational English and
maths when you're in year eleven. Most schools do that already,
but some don't, So we're making that compulsory after that failure,
boats choose the subjects that engage you, that lead to

(48:49):
koreer pathways that you want. But the key difference will
be when you study English or maths or physics, it
will be against a world leading benchmarked curriculum and you
will learn the same thing as a child and invercargo
compared to walk track.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So here's part of the problem. Part of the problem
will be is you're going to need to limit subjects,
aren't you from what we've currently got. Once you've limited subjects,
I'm looking at these subjects. I don't really want to
be at school. It's a bit boring. So I used
to do dance and drama or whatever it may be.
Now I've got to take something serious and I may
well fail. And when I fail, then what happens.

Speaker 17 (49:20):
I'm not sure where everyone's getting this view that we're
going to be limiting all these subjects. We are taking
a look at the subject list. This is a separate
stream of work, separate to the qualification. We are looking
at the amount of subjects we have and saying, look,
how many children did them last year? How many children
just did one stand in and going do we still
need to be doing that, but that happens all the time.
We still want to have choice. Children should still be

(49:42):
doing dance and drama and the things that excite them
and lead them maybe into the theater or whatever, so
those things will still be available.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Of course, what about the trade side of the equation?
How limited will that be depending on where you are
in the country geographically, in the size of your school.

Speaker 17 (49:58):
That is a challenge and I've seen publicly. I want
the VET pathways to be strong and industry aligned and
relevant and tertiary aligned. The challenge of courses that schools
aren't always able to have an automotive electrician or engineer
in their school. We have to partner with the polytechs
and also the private training organizations to make this work.
And this is I'm not going to pretend this is

(50:19):
going to be an easy piece of work. It's going
to be tough, but we're going to do it. We're
going to make sure that no matter which school you're in,
you have access to these pathways, and we will work
with the industry standards boards to make sure the standards
are relevant.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
The answer will come in the exam results I'm assuming,
but when will we know this works? So if it
starts in twenty seven, twenty eight, so twenty eight, when
do we know it works?

Speaker 17 (50:38):
Well, we will already know from next year because the
English and Maths curriculum are gazetted for next year for
our third forms, our year nines, so they will start
to use the new curriculum and then the other subjects
will roll through as well, so we will start to
already see the results of the new curriculum through the
other assessment tools that we use and teach your feedback
and school feedback before we get there.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Okay, put your immigration had on just quickly. Golden visas.
Are they still continuing to bring people in with money?

Speaker 11 (51:05):
They are?

Speaker 17 (51:06):
It has a tape it off slightly, but it's a
huge amount stronger than I thought it would be. I
said two hundred in the first year. I think we
were at two hundred in the first six weeks or
ten weeks, so it's still very strong. Although I would
say that if you know they have the ability to
be able to buy a house, that will supercharge it again.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
You know, Erica, you have the power to do that.
Funnily enough, because you're in government, there.

Speaker 17 (51:29):
Are some things so slightly ahead of my.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Paypack at the country.

Speaker 17 (51:32):
Well, I've had my say, and I've said publicly and
I've said to other people in my party and the government,
if you're going to ask people to come in and
invest at least five if not ten, mate, potentially we
want more out of them. Of course, then saying to
them but you can't buy a house is not ideal.
And like I think everyone in government is pretty pragmatic
about that, and there are conversations that have been had
and I expect that there will most likely be some changes.

(51:55):
But look, as I've said, ahead, it's above my pay
grade and that's sort of leader to lead as it
should be.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
All right, good stuff, Nice to see Eric Stamford, Education
and Immigration Minister, seventeen to.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Wait the Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
Power by the News Talks, It'd be.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
So bloody Winston. Mike's still the handbreak on the Golden
visa applicants being able to buy a house. Can't wait
to have him gone from politics. You won't be He's
he's good to go. He's well about the five percent
these days. The interesting thing is once they announce at
which they're about to is what the explanation is. They're
going to need to have done something that you yeah,
he needs to have backed down in some way, shape

(52:34):
or form. He needs to be able to explain something
that they've manipulated. My guess is the number and National
went back to them on five million. They may be
down at four or three, and then Winston may well
have gone. And Peter Thompson was talking about it from
Barforot and Thompson earlier on the program. They may go
look Auckland, yes we can do three or four, Queenstown,
yes we'll do three or four. But we've got to

(52:55):
go lower in a place like Tawonga at maybe one
or two. You know what I'm saying. So I think
they're gonna have sort of manipulate it and explain it
away that way because there is just no logic now,
it's just too absurd. Anyway, back to speaking absurd and education.
This social media band that we're getting up and running
in December in Australia which is a joke and it
won't work. And the revelation this morning for the Sydney

(53:17):
Morning Herald and you should read it. There's a good reason.
The headline, there's a good reason why the social media
band won't work, and the government knows it. And this
is why we're never going to go anywhere with it,
because it's all window dressing. Children will always, write Meg Keinowski.
Children will always find a way to circumnavigate your online
roadblocks because they know the terrain better than you. I mean,
that's obvious, isn't it. Seventy percent that had a poll.

(53:38):
Seventy percent of those surveyed for the paper were skeptical
the plan would be effective. See, we all know, we
all want some sort of control of social media. We
all want our kids is safe on social media. That's
a given. But you've got to take the next leap
and go can we do it? And the answers no.
So they conducted their own test for this particular article

(54:00):
and just randomly, you know, with no algorithm, no background,
know nothing as to who you were. How long would
it take for weird stuff to pop up on your feet?
So within three minutes we had a homophobic joke, a
racist AI imaging of a cultural group taking over Sydney,
a movie scene depicting masturbation. They were among the videos
that popped up within three and a half minutes. This feels,

(54:20):
says the writer, like an opportune time to mention that
the average Australian primary schoolers said to rack up six
and a half hours of screen time a day so
left their own devices. Imagine what they can see on
this so called band. And this is the crux of it.
The holes in this legislation are gaping and to me
indicate that while Anthony Albanesi and as Ministers may have
no idea how jen Elfers really use social media, they

(54:43):
do know one thing. Their band won't work and they
don't particularly care how bad' is that? Twelve away no,
make it eleven away from it.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
The Mike Hosking breakfast with al Vida Retirement Communities News
togsad been away from mate.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
So having dispensed with the French, it's time for the
Rugby Championship. The first game as against the Pumas in
a week and a half. Of course, six players have
been added to the wider squad as of yesterday as
injury cover the chiefs loose Ford Simon Parker is the
only end cap pader to join the thirty six month
squat anyway, Scott Roberson as coach of course, and he's
back well this morning.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Okay, good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
What's your assessment of the season so far? All those
all those French wins of yours.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
Look, yeah, they're gritty, there were battle hard in the
French and they's nothing to lose. It's probably when they're
at their best. We'll really please these areas were always
get to improve and which couldn't en it. First tests,
you know, a couple of scores out from them, you know,
three dislowed tries and four in the last so just

(55:44):
they just keep them minute and but we're really really
pleased with a lot of the young players that have
come through got of the past form that come out
of super But on balance we've done for good things
in some areas to improve on good stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
What are your thoughts on jumping on a plane and
going all the way to Argentina first away? You know,
do you talk to people about that? Is that a
thing or not?

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Really? Yeah, Look, we're chipping have to. We're at the
bottom of the of the world, you know, and we've
been what sixty percent of our tessa are away even
more and he used to be used to it and
Enjoy it, this one gift of footy, especially being at
the allbacks you're going to be on the road. Enjoy it.

(56:26):
Make some good times of it. You know, you sit
up in front of the plane, so it's not all
too that, but you know, we go these hostile places
and that's that's a great part of it.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
No, not now, listen, I'm having trouble at work this week, Scott.
Let me tell you my problem. I have you two
for two in Argentina, right. I don't see Argentina being
particularly a major impediment for you, But I have people
in the sports department that are questioning that. Am I right?
Or are they right?

Speaker 6 (56:50):
Oh? I think what they're saying is Argentina a good
team and they are well coached. A lot of their
players play in the top fourteen. They've got high cohesions,
so they're a lot together. They are real threat. But
thanks for the support.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
No worries at all. Are they on a tragedy? See?
I still see them as a bit roping. They can
be brilliant, but not all the time. Do you think
they're on a general trajectory towards betterness?

Speaker 6 (57:18):
Yeah? Look, if you look at it, the bit the
Lions and then they came back. Not all the players
are available for their England series but and it was
good English side and they play some great footy overall
the balance, they've got a couple of young, well young
guys coming through and like I said, season that experienced
players and obviously Pablo is one of them. You get
them on a night, they're leadin emotions right on. They

(57:43):
are very, very tough to beat, so we have to
be at their best.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Okay, speaking of the Lions, what do you make of
that test? Was Australia really coming to life or the
Lions already on the plane halfway home having won the series.

Speaker 6 (57:56):
I think it was a test match of two of
most and there's a lot of hurt with the Assies
and they showed it. They want to show how much
they care for their Jozy and you know, the ray
and the drama, everything that came with it was a
pretty special occasion. And that's Tess Putty. That's tough. Anyone
can win. It's it's hyped up all week. There's lots

(58:18):
of personal stuff comes with it, and you know everyone's
eyes are on it. It's beautiful.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
The other thing I was arguing with Jason Pine and
sav you can help me out with us as well
with your injury issues. Like you can't do anything about injuries,
can you. You've got to look forward, you got to go.
I mean, you can't fix them. If you fix them,
you would, but you know, you got to deal with
what you got to deal with.

Speaker 6 (58:39):
That's part of the game. There is there a contact sport.
It's brutal. You never know you're going to get some
runs as a player that you can get big two
or three years and then you get two or three injuries.
And the big three for us is when you get
a double break in one position like half back. It's great,
they were going to be fiddly Christian, but those are
the ones where you trying, like I've got that project

(59:01):
four deep, which I've talked you about before, and when
a couple of those go and you can bring an
experienced back, it's great, but it gives up to somebody else.
But yeah, you want your dispass all the time that
sometimes it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Happen quite right. Go well, mate, Scott Robinson, who's the
all way coach? Now, speaking of sport, I mentioned the
name Marianna Ramira Hunt before you may or may not
know the name of You're a motorsport you will Ben
and Kartz and the eighty six and all that sort
of stuff. She's lobbed into England. She's got a test
and I think it's Silverstone this week on a sim
her big dream. She's been with Aston Martin and the

(59:36):
GT fours and places like America and done really well
in one there. She's now looking to head to the
F one Academy, which is Susie Wolf's thing, as in
Toto Wolf's wife the F one Academy. So she's aiming
right for the top. So there's another name to stand
by for in the realms of New Zealand motorsport. Anyway,
we'll introduce you to her right after the news, which

(59:58):
is next your reviews dog z I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
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News Dogs Dead Bai.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Siven passed eight. Here's quite possibly the next name to
watching Motoray singer Rihanna A mirror Hunt grew up Karty
in a long time, wante to William Wilson, Matt Payne.
She's been competing for est Martin and GT four getting
invited to their elite motorsport academy. A Mida moved to
the UK full time, where she's now working on getting
into the ass saying before the news the F one Academy. Anyway,

(01:00:38):
Arianna a mirror Hunt is with us from Britain. Very
good morning to you. Hi, thank you, no worries it all.
Tell me about Britain so far, the move, how it
came about, and how you're settling in.

Speaker 13 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I mean it's been a big move. I thought
moving to an English speaking country would be a little
bit more similar than it is. But I'm adapting well.
I moved over here because as I got selected to
be part of the Asta Martin Driver Academy last year,
so moved over here kind of getting my pathway into
the UK europe scene in racing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Tell me about Eston Martin, what they did for you
and how successful you were. I know how successful you
were in one race, but just talk us through it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:01:18):
So I ended up winning a shootout in America with
the heart of racing against nine other females. We got
a year of racing in GT four SRA America and
we had a tough year of racing, but we ended
up really really strong with a few top three qualifyings,
and we ended up with creating history in Indianapolis, being

(01:01:38):
the first ever female duo to win the GT for Advantage,
So ending on a big high, being able to kiss
the bricks. It was an amazing feeling, and we want
to get back there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I happened when you say vantage, I don't want to
show off or anything. I happen to have advantage. What's
the difference between what's the difference between my vantage that
I'm driving and your GT four vantage?

Speaker 13 (01:01:59):
Well, our Duty four race Vantage will be set up
for race tracks. Yours is more of a road vehicle,
so we've got a good old harnessing and just some
more race dynamics with race brakes and suspension. But Duty
four is based on road cars, so they would be
pretty similar apart from their you know FIA standards.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
You are typical. I think of most race drivers. You
start in cuts, you move your way on up. Eventually
you want to be in the F one Academy and
that may well come your way very shortly. We'll talk
about that in a second. What's the gap between jumping
out of a cart and then to say a Toyota
eighty six.

Speaker 13 (01:02:38):
It was a massive learning curve for me. I did
it quite late, so I did it when I was
about twenty one. Usually you make that jump at about
sixteen seventeen. But I had the help of a lot
of people in New Zealand to get me from driving
a go kart well to driving a car. Well. Tim White,
my engineer, helped me a lot and I did my

(01:02:59):
year with the high of racing, but also with my
sponsor's Golden Home, Southern Lakes Edifice Property Group and dall
It and they all kind of supported me, getting me
some driver training to make that switch. And it was
all about adapting to car weights. It's very different to
a go carts, very small, very lights, and the car
was very heavy, so getting used to that was probably

(01:03:20):
the biggest challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
The I love the way you just rolled off your
sponsors there, because that is one of the quintessential things
about motor racing, isn't it. To be successful you not
only have to be fast, you've got to.

Speaker 13 (01:03:32):
Have backing on It is a massive part, especially for
you know us kiwis coming over into the UK and Europe.
You know, we get met with some big people with
some big budgets and having the backing, especially from home,
is really special. I want to be able to create
history for New Zealand as well as myself, and I've

(01:03:53):
managed to do that a couple three times now in
casting and then once in car racing. And you know,
I've had Tony Quinn helped me in the UK to
race last year. It was the only way I got
on track with him and Golden Home Southern Lakes. So
I mean, I can't thank them enough, and I hope
that I'm doing them proud and we can kind of

(01:04:14):
carry on that relationship into Ethron Academy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Were you always fast? Were you instantly automatically and naturally fast?

Speaker 13 (01:04:21):
The first day I got into the go kart, we
were a bit shocked. I actually had the thought was
stuck on and we couldn't flow the gokut down. So
everyone was like, She's so quick, She's handled this so well.
Little did they know that the thought was stuck on.
But I did have a natural kind of talent from

(01:04:42):
the start. I did get driver training from Arie Hutton
and Ryan Urban for about probably eight years between the two,
so I did put the time and effort in to
be able to adapt my skill, and we spent a
lot of those years working closely with a trainer to
be able to kind of be on that top edge
of everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
All right, Rihanna, hold on for a couple of moments,
more questions for you. Shortly, Rihanna, A mirror Hunt. It
is twelve past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio,
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Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
It be Use Talks, It be caught a past eight, Rhenanna,
A mirror Hunt is with the Saving for the F
one Academy. Listen, let me ask you, Rihanna, the gender question,
because I can't quite work it out whether I mean,
I mean it seems to me in driving a car,
I can't see the difference. I mean maybe endurance racing,
the difference maybe over you know, many many many laps
in ours. Physical difference might be. It might be a thing,

(01:05:34):
but the rest is mainly mental and skill, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:05:40):
I think once you put on a helmet, you're all equal,
and that's what I love about racing. And the only
difference I would say with single seaters is an F
two and F three they don't have power steering, so
you do have to be quite a bit stronger than
you would be a F four. That's really mainly the
only different So, I mean, we just have to work

(01:06:01):
a little bit harder to put on that muscle. But
that's a part of the game, isn't it. You want
to be on that top one percent, whether you're the
top one percent and females or males. So for me,
it's more about maximizing that no matter the gender.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Were you have you done your at Silverstone yet?

Speaker 13 (01:06:18):
No, that's tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
How is that like beyond exciting or not? Really it is.

Speaker 13 (01:06:24):
I honestly, I cannot wait. I've been in the sim
all day to day testing and I can't wait. I
haven't been behind the wheel of a car since November
last year. So just being back in a full motion
sim again has brought a massive smile to my face
and it's kind of, you know, made it more of
a reality.

Speaker 18 (01:06:42):
Now.

Speaker 13 (01:06:42):
It's been a lot of behind the scenes work this
year with networking and now to be back focused on
actually racing as a dream come true.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
That's the thing I think most people don't understand about
motor racing. Motor racing is actually not a lot of
motor racing isn't. It's a lot of other stuff and
just a little bit behind the wheel that must be
at times frustrating.

Speaker 13 (01:07:03):
Exactly. Yeah for me. I mean, as I said, I
haven't been in a cart since November and it's been
about networking. It's been about getting my name out in
the UK and Europe. It's social media. It's so important
these days, even in racing. You know, you need to
have followers for brands to want to work with you
or companies to be able to take note. So for me,

(01:07:24):
that's what this year has been about, and it's been
adapting to that new lifestyle. But I just cannot wait
to get back in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
The full motion sim You mentioned the difference between that
and something some people would have say in their garage.
How different is it?

Speaker 13 (01:07:38):
It's crazy, it's you know, I was in a completely
separate room with glass and people on laptops looking at
my data and my video as I'm doing it live
to a reference lap time, so they can completely see
exactly what I'm doing. There's no line, there's no mistakes.
If you make one, they see it, and you're literally

(01:07:59):
up in the air kind of the cars going with
you as you're turning, So it just makes it feel
more realistic and what the actual thing is going to
feel like for me on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
So here's the interesting thing. So you go from cards
to eighty six, is there as a jump You've never
done single seaters before? What do you reckon? The difference
between saying S and GT four and single seaters.

Speaker 13 (01:08:19):
Is between an A S and GTY four and single seaters.
I think the difference of stiffness. The F four car
is a lot stiffer than a GT four as in
all the weight and a DUTY four asin is up high.
We're pretty level to the axual in a single seater.
So it's going to be about manipulating the car in

(01:08:40):
a different way to get the weight to go forward
and back. And that's what I've learned on this motion
sim is kind of manipulating that in a short space
of time. Also, the F four is a bit slower
than the GT four, so it's about being able to
get on power as quickly as I can out of
the corner to maximize those long straights, especially around Silverstone GP.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
What do you reckon as you sit here talking to
us this morning, what do you reckon? How far short
are you of getting into the F one Academy in
terms of speed and skill, I back myself.

Speaker 13 (01:09:11):
I think I can be there within a couple days.
On track. I am really looking forward to being able
to kind of prove my adaptability. Something that I've had
to do my whole racing career because I haven't had
much budget, is to go to a track I've never
been to before. On the race we can and adapts
to it as fast as possible. So I'm just going

(01:09:32):
to be taking those learnings and doing the exact same
thing with the car. You know, I love data, I
love videos, so that's sort of a big strong point for me.
I can spend hours looking at it, so that's where
I kind of pull that game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Up with it fantastic. You got to if you haven't
already seen it. There's a thing with Chris Harrison Max
for Step and a video out at the moment he
can go to a track, He's up to speed race
speed within four laps.

Speaker 13 (01:09:57):
It's insane, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, well, listen all the very best of luck. What
have you got planned for the rest of the year
beyond that you're busy?

Speaker 13 (01:10:04):
Yeah, to me, it's just about trying to find some
more budget to get into the car, so I want
to be testing as much as possible within the next month.
If I do well at this sim test, I get
to be high Tech's last seat at the F one
Rookie Navara Test in September. So hopefully this goes well

(01:10:25):
and then we get on track as much as we
can before September eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Obviously, we wish you all the very best. Lovely to
talk with you and maybe we'll catch up before the
end of the year.

Speaker 13 (01:10:33):
Thank you so much. Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Rihanna o'meira hunt out of Stratford upon Avon this morning.
So there's a name to watch.

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Ask Mike how impressive was Rihanna? Intelligent, well spoken, clearly
got a good education. Yes, indeed, probably got INTOEA. See

(01:11:50):
it's all it's not all bad, Mike. She's on Instagram too.
Everyone's on Insta, Mate, They're all on Insta. Don't you
worry about that? Can I just remind you fully enough?
I meant to mention it yesterday and I forgot my
old mate Sean Sommerfield, who's into into cars, motorsport and stuff.
And you might't remember him from Television three. Still on
Television three he does a thing on the weekend's called
CRC Motorsport. Anyway, there was a program called Kiwis Can

(01:12:13):
Fly a while back, and then I saw the Kiwis
Can Fly two on the weekend. And if you're into
this sort of thing, this is not just about cars,
it's about There's a company I'd never heard of called Dotson.
There's a company race Tech, which if you're interracing, everyone's
heard of race Tech, but it's a documentary about New
Zealand companies who are just doing amazing things globally in

(01:12:37):
the world of motorsport. It's not just here, it's all
over the world. Dotson, for example, which I'd never heard of,
they make twin clutch drives, so in other words, you
know your paddleshift and stuff like that, if you had
to get a BMWM three or whatever with a you know,
bing bing bing bing bing the paddle ships those twin
clutch drive systems. What they do is if you want

(01:12:57):
to hot your car up and put two or three
thousand horsepower into it. Then they make the sort of
gear that will carry that load.

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
How will that affect my fuel economy?

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Well, it will affect it immensely. You'll use tremendous amounts
of it. But that's the joy of it. A lot
of people Sam and this and GTRs who put these
the dods and stuff in. But these these race tech
I mean everyone you see a race tex set, you go, oh,
those they're everywhere. They're like everyone who drives a race
car drives a race anyway. It's a very good program.
So so look that up as well, worth having a

(01:13:30):
look at. Just before I finish boring you with motor racing,
go if you can be bothered and you didn't see
it at the time, go and watch Lewis Hamilton's interview
post race yesterday. I've seen Lewis mope before. I've seen
Lewis feel sorry for himself many a time. I've seen
Lewis mumble and stumble his way through a post race

(01:13:51):
scenario in which he has down on himself. How he
thinks he's useless, How it's no one else's fault but him,
et cetera, et cetera. But I have seen nothing like
I saw yesterday, and if he leaves Ferrari before the
end of the season, I will not be remotely surprised.
For those with some longevity, you've seen something similar at Mercedes.

(01:14:13):
But when you saw it at Mercedes, he was on
the booge of leaving Mercedes. But yesterday, over the weekend,
he made a couple of things that were really weren't
all over the world. One he said, I'm useless. I'm useless,
and we'll need to change drivers. Now that's you know,
it's a bad day. He didn't have a good weekend. Unfortunately.
Charlotte Claire, his cohort at Ferrari, had quite a good day,
not as good as he wanted because he had poll

(01:14:33):
and he came fourth in the end. But be that
is it made. Lewis was nowhere near fourth. Anyway. He
said something, he said things aren't good in the background
at the moment, and that led everyone to go, this
hasn't gone well, and so if Lewis is not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
He's probably just talking about the voices in his head
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
But thank god for the summer break. He's got three
weeks to sort his head out. But that is not
a winning strategy for the second part of the season.
I can tell you that for nothing News for you
is next Hie Paul from Avy World.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
News, Opinion and everything in between, the Mic Hofting Breakfast
with Bailey's real estate altogether better across residential, commercial and
rural news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Head be worried about our wine. How'll come back to
that in a moment. Interesting new numbers anyway, Speaking of numbers,
doctors senior so pretty much as well as far as
I can work out, I don't know how closely you
follow the stuff, but pretty much everyone in the health
sector doesn't like being in the health sector at the moment.
So the nurses were on strike. The other day midwives
cut a deal, so that was encouraging. So fairly good
numbers around the midwives salary as far as I could
work out. Senior doctors who are also a bit angsty,

(01:15:37):
they've been offered. Let me just toss these numbers at
you and see what you think. So the offer from
Health New Zealand is a first year specialist would receive
a seventeen thousand, seven hundred dollars pay increase, which is
nine and a half percent. A second year specialist would
get eleven thousand, eight hundred, which is a six point
two percent increase. Specialists would also receive a further one
point five percent over the course of the proposed settlement,

(01:15:58):
and specialists on step four or above would get between
three point five and three point eight percent applied over
a twenty one month period. Does that sound as in
percent dig you know?

Speaker 13 (01:16:06):
You go?

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Oh are you going to meet the cost of living
and all that? I mean, I know the cost of
living and the insurance and the rights and stuff is bad,
but it's not six point two or nine point five
percent bad as it seems like a reasonable deal to me.
And they claim the union's claim it amounts to a
pay cut. How do they argue that twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
To nine international correspondence with Insite Eye Insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand business ride.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Hid in the UK? We go Roderick, very good morning
to you, my friend, Come on in, Mike, our old
mate Tommy. What have they got on for this time?

Speaker 7 (01:16:35):
GB eight or a lettered TB eight assault. What happened
was that this ID say, if your audience is familiar
with the name Tommy Robinson viye, now given that he
is he's the kind of right wing I kind of
of protest and activism and very very much disdained by

(01:16:56):
everybody else. He was actually seeing on coast circuit television
walking away from a man who'd clearly been hit. The
question is whether Tommy Robinson hit him. He flew straight
off to Portugal and the police arrested him on his
way back from Pharaoh. It'll be interesting to see if

(01:17:18):
he gets a fair trial, because hitherto he hasn't been
given a fair trial. Now you might argue, fair enough,
he's an awful man, but the way he's been treated
by the law courts in the past has inflamed the
views of the far right, and they feel they've got

(01:17:39):
a point. You know that there is a conspiracy against them.
Always treat these people the way you treat anyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
All right, now, farage So he wants the immigration status
of people who are arrested. I'm watching yet again, Rod
another summer of if, honestly, if I was in government,
would I promise to stop the boats? Knowing sure in
my heart of hearts I didn't stand a hopenhill.

Speaker 7 (01:18:03):
Well yeah you might if you actually did it. I
think Germany has cut its its refugee asylum seekers numbers
by fifty percent. America has cut its asylum seeker numbers,
you know, people coming over from Mexico, primarily by someone
the origin of eighty percent. It can be done, but

(01:18:24):
it needs it needs a degree of action and severity
which the Labor government, and in fairness before it the
Conservative government simply wasn't prepared to adopt. You can do it,
I think you know. One answer was the Rwanda answer,
which is to send all the asylum seekers to Ruwanda.

(01:18:45):
What should certainly be done and has never been done,
is to say to all of them, if you attempt
to enter this country illegally, the de facto will not
be given asylum. And that seems to me to be
the most root out of all of this. It would
be a deterrent. But anyway, for ours wants for ours

(01:19:05):
wants police to release the immigration status of the criminals
who are arrested for serious crimes. And this is based
around one in Warwickshire in which it's suspected that the
people who sexually assaulted a twelve year old girl were
Afghans Flores.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Has it been through going through as we speak?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
It am all right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
It seems to be the north of Scotland.

Speaker 7 (01:19:30):
It's where I am. That's why I mention it. You see,
if you were talking to some bloke in London, he
wouldn't even know that florists existed. But up here, I'm
telling you the trees are down. You can't get out
your drive because of all the debris. But no one
south of what will notice for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
And what's it like in the middle of summer with
a storm.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
What have you got?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Warm temperatures but big wind.

Speaker 7 (01:19:57):
Yeah, that's exactly it. Warm temperatures, big with occasional very
gusty showers. But it has been seasonably warm. It's been
nice weather here. We're having a good summer, but these
storms come. And you know, August in Fairness is known
for storms that I dare say. The BBC will be
telling us it's all climate change, but I remember being

(01:20:20):
August storms back when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Exactly, Hey, listen, just while I've got you and quickly
this I find hard to believe. So the government will
restrict civil service internships to students from poorer families and
they want to make Whitehall more working class. This is
driven by somebody called mcfed and pat Chancellor of the
Duchy of Lancaster. And you were judged by what your

(01:20:43):
parents were ruining and doing when you were fourteen. How
mental is this?

Speaker 7 (01:20:51):
Well, well, okay, let me be devil's advocate for a second.
It is unquestionably the case the civil service is of
a single view politically into monoculture, and they are largely
they are almost entirely middle class people who've been to
Oxford got a ppe and a very pro remain in

(01:21:16):
the EU, very pro assylum secrets, etcetera, etcetera. So they're
out of step with the majority of opinion. And I
don't know that this is Labour's way of doing something
about it. It wants to enfranchise the working class a
bit poor, but I don't know how you can accurately
tell who's working class and who isn't. And I suspect

(01:21:37):
that this will simply be a brief spurt of DEI yeah,
I suspect it's just a quick verse of that and
then we'll hear no more about it. It seems to
me an absurdity.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Right, Rod Gowell, we'll see you Thursday, Rod Little and Britain,
by the way, other matters they plan to evacuate more
seriously ill children injured in Gaza. It's how many. They
will allow up to three hundred to enter the UK
to receive free medical care. Some have been brought in
privately so far, but the government's going to get involved
via metrics next time. In your europe entry exit system,

(01:22:13):
the ees will replace the current paper checks, which means
they're going to go biometrics in the European Union. And
the population Just for funzis England. Wales's Population's gone up
up one point two percent. They've gained seven hundred six thousand,
eight hundred and eighty one people. The population now officially
sits at sixty one million, eight hundred thousand, sixteen to

(01:22:33):
wait nine.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
The like asking Breakfast Fall show podcast on I have
radio powered by news talks that be Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
In the last three months, I've had eleven percent house
insurance increase, twenty two percent increase of medical insurance and
twenty six percent rates increase, which I'm not sure how
this is sustainable. When you say twenty six in Auckland,
I don't know what you're basing that on because that's
not the number. It varies depending on who you are
where you are, what you got, et cetera. But I mean,
I take your point, and I think the first thing
to go? What would be the first thing to go?

(01:23:04):
You say, I don't know how it's sustainable. For some
people it won't be. So what's first to go? Would
you dump house insurance first before you dump medical insurance
all the other way around, because you've got no choice
on rates. Of course, you've got no choice on power.
You got no choice on gas, but you do have
a choice on home insurance and contents insurance, and power
insurance and medical insurance. Now, this wine grows thing worries

(01:23:26):
me to a degree. So a lot of rotten grapes
go into the ground as global demand goes down. So
the twenty five harvest, which was when do you pick
your grapes? March April, something like that, maybe into May.
So this year's harvest, in other words, five hundred and
nineteen thousand tons, which is the second largest normally quite good,
good news to have a lot. What I'm into is quality,

(01:23:46):
not quantity, but be that as it may. Seventy five
to one hundred thousand tons, though is remained unharvested. So
if you're taking five thousand, one hundred, so it's twenty
percent never got off the tree or the plant or
the vine. Companies picked what they were required to pick
and they left the rest behind. Domestic storage is close
to capacity, There is falling global demand. Infantories are serving
you on blanc are at ten year highs Marlborough, Fifteen

(01:24:08):
to twenty percent of the tonnage was unharvested. Now let
me ask you a couple of questions around that. By
the way, serving on blanc growers got eighteen hundred to
eighteen fifty a ton, which is down from twenty one
to fifty a ton last year twenty four hundred a
ton twenty three, So the price is are back at
twenty eighteen twenty nineteen level. So here's my question for you.
One is serving you on blanc at last becoming an issue? So,

(01:24:30):
in other words, the golden Runners over two. We know
for a fact, and there's nothing we can do about it.
We know for a fact that global consumption of alcohol
is dropping. It's moving away perhaps from wine to things
like spirits, but it's also overall dropping, so there's not
a lot you can do about that. I also wonder
and ask you this question are there are too many

(01:24:50):
contract growers in this country who aren't actually making wine.
In other words, you're just a grape grower and you
never see a corcus crew cap or a bottle. You
don't do anything with that. You just wait for a
truck to turn up and throw your grapes your one.
They'll end up somewhere else. And I wonder if there's
too much of that. We should follow that up and
look into that on the program, possibly tomorrow will the
next day, there's an idea for your semi never stop whiteboarding.

(01:25:11):
Ten away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
The Mic Hosking break best with Bailey's real estate news Dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
There'd be Mike one might be done. But people are
buying twenty dollars cocktails. How do cocktails get so expensive?

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Brett?

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
They've been expensive for a long period of time. I
was watching. You know you can go to a flash
hotel in London. At the moment you're paying a minimum
twenty six and generally twenty eight pounds pounds for a
standard cocktail in a hotel in London. So do the
math on that. You're talking sixty plus dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I always remember when you used to go to raffles.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
If you're in Singapore and you gave a Singapore sling.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Well you still can while standing on the peanut shells,
you still can.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But and that ways used to be
really expensive.

Speaker 11 (01:25:48):
And then once cocktails started getting really expensive here, I thought,
isn't this course just like being in Singapore?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Good logic, Mike. My house values unchanged, but the rates
went up sixteen percent. So there's some big increases out there, David,
there are. And that's been the big MythBuster that suddenly
that your rates were connected to your house. They only
told you that until it became inconvenient. When it became inconvenient,
they just charged you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
We canceled our life insurance, Mike, however, we put the
payments that we were going to put into another bank account.
Will never cancel the medical. It's a funny thing that
you're the first person I've heard about the life insurance.
I mean, that's just savings, isn't it. I mean, really,
at the end of the day, whereas medical, I know
a lot of people who've canceled medical and put the
money into the account so to years it specifically when
and if they ever need some sort of medical assistance.

(01:26:39):
Regarding sav look up twenty eight to twenty oh nine
harvest period with a great price went from twenty four
hundred to ton to twelve hundred and one year, then
took about a decade to build back up again. Similar
issues with massive over supply and wine companies now selling
particularly just twenty twenty four at cost. Yeah, but that's
demand based though at the end of the day, the demand.

(01:27:02):
I've just always argued and had been consistently wrong, that
the golden age of serving your blanc has to come
to an end, particularly in Britain, and maybe it's now.
Mike fifty seven at Raffles last time? Was there fifty
seven for at Singapore?

Speaker 13 (01:27:16):
Slain?

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
It depends on that singer last night. I looked at
the dollar the other day. Funny enough, when I was
last in Singapore, the Singapore dollars about ninety ish ninety cents.
It's now it's seventy. It's just like there's nothing you
can take, you can buy it. You can go with
your New Zealand dollar short of Fiji. I think short
of a New Fiji, you can take you a New
Zealand dollar into the world and buy yourself pretty much

(01:27:38):
nothing it's pathetic. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Trending now with chemist where house great savings every day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
As it turns out, and talking with Rihanna earlier on
in the racing and all that sort of stuff. I've
got a little something for you have to listen to this.
Let's smooth. We should play a game. We should play

(01:28:09):
a game. And I saw it somewhere many years ago.
There was a guy who was on top Gear and
he came on as a guest and they played him
doors shutting of cars and he could name the car.
He could go, that's such a So we should play
the game with engines. What's that engine? Well, that engine
is Toyota. It's a V eight and they're putting that

(01:28:31):
V eight into their Gen three supers. Why are they
doing that, Well, because we're second tired of hybrids and
evs that but also the super is going to end
up in Supercars next season. So it's the all aluminium quadcam.

Speaker 19 (01:28:42):
Two u r gse E five five point four liter
V eight and they're going to unveil that at Bathurst
on the first of September.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
So they are going to be part and Sammy's insisting
I knew it. I knew it. Chat GBT was wrong.
So I said this this, this Toyota is going to
become sign saying, are you telling me Toyota, GM and
Mustang are going to be in supercars? So sammy chat
GBTS it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
It's never happened before. There's never been three cars in supercar.
The chat TPT said, I said, I remember Thistens, I
remember Listens and Commodorees and Fords.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
The weird thing is what kind of cad is it
that Sam droves?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah, exactly, it's a Listen exactly full of Dubai chocolate
that he's brought from Sharon and Tiata to. But that's
a story for another day. Anyway, where was ill? Did
I get to the part where we should play a
game with engines or something?

Speaker 13 (01:29:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
I think I got that part out, didn't I. Anyway,
We're back tomorrow morning from six Here as always Happy Days.

Speaker 13 (01:29:52):
Question.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
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