Full Show Podcast: 05 December 2024

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Thursday 5th of December, the farmers are happy with the changes to the farm to forest conversion rules and the plans the government is considering for methane emissions.  

Mike evaluates all the public sector’s Christmas parties for this year, so if you value an end of year do, he has the place for you.  

Country music star Jordan Davis is winging his way to NZ next month along with Luke Combs, and popped on the show to talk about his journey. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're Trusted Home, the News for Entertainment, Opinion and Miking
a Mike Hosking, Breakfast with Alveda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way,
News Togs had been.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Morning and welcome a day of new things and good news.
Good news around international students. We've got good news around
farm conversions. We've got a change to the world of
moogers and acquisitions. An amazing new bit of tech to
tell you about. Jordan Davis, one of country music's biggest
names after eighties coming to the country. Catherine is in France,
Danny biper that vote Varnier might be toast, and Rod
is the meonkasking seven past six.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Look.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I'm assuming it has something to do with the Thanksgiving
period and the slow return to work after all week off.
But it is hard to overstate if you're following the
American media, it is hard to overstate the shock among
many and in particular Democrats at the moment over what
the outgoing president has done with the son. Article two,
Section two of the Constitution is where you will find
the power. Alexander Hamilton introduced the concept at the Constitutional Convention.

(00:55):
They had a bit of back and forward, apparently about
whether the treason should be excluded, but they sought it. It
the strongest example of constitutional executive unilateralism. It has been
tested a couple of times in the Supreme Court eighteen
sixty six in eighteen seventy one, but they ruled the
court could not restrict a president's pardon power. It is,
even under the most gracious, morally high and uplifting grounds,

(01:18):
a pretty spectacular idea if you think about it. There's
something so profound they decided about the office of president that,
as we have seen of late just lately, in fact
court cases vanish and out the other side, you can
pretty much take any low renting you like and set
them free. What makes Biden's move so egregious is not
that it's unique, because it isn't many. A president has

(01:39):
pardoned any number of low lifes, many of them far
far worse than Hunter Biden, but one he specifically stated
he wouldn't do it, so he's a liar. Obviously, it
taints his reputation and legacy in the most profound way.
But more importantly for the Democrats in particular, it destroys
a major piece of weaponry that has been previously relied on,
especially when it comes to the incoming president. The incoming president,

(02:00):
they will tell you as a crook, a shyster, a snake,
o wheel operator. He is someone beneath the office. He
is everything a good, clean living Democrat despises. And yet
Biden turns out to be no better. A bloke who
has claimed to be above the fray, to have upheld
the ideals of the great America, a great party, turns
out to be a self serving, dishonored shill from Scranton.
Fifty years of service for what so we can limp

(02:22):
into retirement with his last act, the definding moment of
his career. If one of the so called good guys
can turn out to be that slippery, how do they
convince anyone in twenty twenty eight that the next contender
isn't exactly the same? Decorum has at least in part,
been a Democratic calling card until Biden. Oh under they're ropable.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Why News of the World in ninety seconds might.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Be a contender for cock up of the year. This
time yesterday, the will was asking what the hell was
the Korean president doing?

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Tejong si yun circuole is not in his right mind,
his judgment and situational awareness and not normal. Has been
confirmed that he has such a seriously abnormal state that
he should not be performing his duties as president even
for a single minute.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Your locals were on the streets wondering how was the
president doing?

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Fall light, I couldn't live. Very scary.

Speaker 6 (03:13):
All the soldiers had a gun, a very long gun.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
So we are just normal people.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
So all the people was scared.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So having ballsed it up spectacularly, there might be some retribution.

Speaker 8 (03:28):
Impeaching a president.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's not really a fun thing to do, not even
for a lawmaker. But this person, Yun Suk yol, has
done something crazy that violates the constitution.

Speaker 8 (03:38):
He basically committed a coupe tar.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Then and Britain. The resignation of the Transport secretary that's
proving an issue for the PM.

Speaker 8 (03:44):
He said that the transfer that the former Transport sectually,
I was only asked to resign after further information came
to light.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
What was that further information?

Speaker 8 (03:54):
I'm not going to disclose private further information tend to life.
Justice Sato resigned and I'll say, what a marked contrast.
While she's obsessing with the Westminster issues, we're getting on
with fixing the mask, fixing the foundations, but twenty two
pound block.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Hole God, he's hopeless, Disney stateside Higsith, speaking of hopeless,
looks to be Gates two point oh. They're about to
pull the plug on his non that his mother turned
up on Fox to try and backpedal on some of
the weird stuff she'd see.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
I wrote that in haste. I wrote that with deep emotions.
I wrote that as a parent, and about two hours
later I should.

Speaker 9 (04:35):
I should.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
My husband tells me I should think through things a
little bit more.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
If you missed the story, Basically, she wrote an email
saying the guys and dickhead world's most attractive silly. Finally,
this is done by Euromonitor International City's ranked on tourism,
sustainability and economic performance, health and safety. Your top ten.
Number ten I learned now, Number nine Singapore, Number eight Sydney.
Interesting story behind that. Seven is Amsterday and six is
in New York. Milan is five, four is Rome, three

(05:01):
is Tokyo. Two is Madrid, which you know it. Number
one is that's right Auckland. Hard to believe, but we
are hold on no sorry, Paris, Paris, Sydney in Melbourne,
eight and twenty and even though the list and I'll
go through it later on if you've got time, the
list is one hundred cities long. And guess how many

(05:21):
New Zealand cities made it correct? Twelve past six Now Pete.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
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Speaker 2 (05:35):
Zippy, speaking of excuse me, Korea one point five percent
inflation forty five months low in October. The one's gone
through the floor. Of course, as you can imagine, it
was lower than the one point seven they expected, so
I'm not sure whether that's good or bad. Bank of
England Governor though, by the way, overnight Andrew Bailey, he
says there's going to be all things being equal, there's

(05:55):
going to be four interest rates cut for interest rate
cuts coming next year. Fifteen past six, right open Depity
Funds Management, Greg Smith morning morning into Auckland Council flicking
their shares. I take it there's plenty of demand for that.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Lots of demand for that. You investor's got the boarding call,
we say so. We've got over one hundred and sixty
three million shares up for grabs, sets around about one
point three billions, so for the nine point seven cent stakeups,
so they're sold down last year as well, so look
it's been well flagged. They want to pay the m date,
they want to set up a future fund for spending,
they want to diversify their rect base. So that's all
good hopefully. But yeah, lots of lots of strong demand

(06:33):
and good yeah, good for news from Vista's recently as
well with the rights issue at six ninety five and September,
so the shares are over eight bucks. They normally mean
you get a big block of shares on sale such
as this is often the discount. Not the case last year,
not the case this time. So the stock's been offered
at the closing price floor of eight dollars eight on Tuesday.
Lots of strong interest and excess of the office size

(06:54):
and evidently Australian superheation funds are queuing up, so there's
a bit of capable injury head for the airport, but
really strong demand for high quality airport infrastructure assets such
as this become increasingly arered and you just need to
look at some of the transactions across the Tasman so
private equity they bought a seventy four percent steak in
Queensland Airport in September Ossie Super they bought a steak
in Perth and interestingly, very relevantly, both of those deals

(07:18):
were done it in excess of twenty one times earnings
and that is what walk in the Airport trades at.
The owner of the North queens and the airport sets
up for sale as well, and apparently a Japanese investment
houses amongst the bid. Is so fair to say interest
in airport assets is flying high.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Mike Okay, GDP across the Tasman if it wasn't for now.
This is political of course too, because the government's going
to have to defend this. But that was a weak number.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Oh, highly political. So you look, the private sector has
actually seen its worst slump since the nineteen nineties were session,
so they've got a real issue of productivity. But yeah,
it's state and local governments which are effectively propping up
the economy. So GDP in the third quarter that was
up point three percent, that was below forecast for a
point four percent gain on an annual basis point eight

(08:00):
percent growth. That was below the one point one percent forecast,
down from one percent in June. And just notably my
household consumption and business investment made no contribution to economic growth.
So it's the governments of propping things up. You've got
cost of living policy policies. You've got the federal government
electricity bill rebates it's three round bucks. You've got state

(08:20):
and energy subsidies, and you've got infrastructure investment. Of course,
so public sector spending that it grew by point eight
percentage point, so grew, it took the contribution to GDP
growth up by point two percentage point. And at the
expensive households, and you look at combined government spending one
hundred and ninety five point eight billion, that's up eight

(08:41):
percent on a year ago. That's higher than the five
point three percent average in the decade before the pandemic.
So government outlays and now a record twelve point three
percent of GDP. States even higher, sixteen and a half percent,
it's even higher. And you include in just payments on
debt and wealthy payments and the like. So meanwhile the
privatest just activity is really muted. So construction activity dropping,

(09:03):
residential homebuilding activity. Contracting was a bright spot with the exports,
and that was mainly due to col demand, but prices
weaker overall foreign on the like, and also remember a
bit like US recently, a migration has been propping things up.
So you looking on a per capita basis GDP per
person went backwards for the seventh straight cord in that
foul point three percent. This is not great. One thing

(09:26):
markets have done and they recalibrated their bits. So when
we're going to get a ray cut, nauzy and it's
looking like a seventy five percent chance in February, and
actually the chance of one next week has actually risen
to ten percent, So yeah, the lucky country might just
need another break run.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Mate, give me some numbers.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
So we've got the DOWN that was up half percent
at the moment forty four nine two three. I've got
this in P five hundred up point four percent, six
or seven three.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
That's a record.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
We've got the NASDAC that's up one percent nineteen sixty
sixty five. That's also a record. Bit of a strong
result from salesforces US. That's a bit of a bell
weather for the software industry. Just to in Europe stocks
fifty up point eight percent and the CAC forty in
France at point sevenercent. Not too worried about the political
chaos over there. For C one hundred that was down
point three percent, nick Ay up point zero seven percent,

(10:11):
ASEX two hundred down point four percent. INSIDEX fifty we
were down one and a half percent twelve eight nine seven.
And basically there's lots of selling going on to fund
the York and airport purchases. You look at the commodity markets,
gold up six bucks two thousand and six and forty
nine dollars an ounce. Oil that was down fifty cents
sixty nine spot forty five. And the currency market's the
key we weaker across the board, down point three percent

(10:32):
against the US dollar, fifty eight point six against Australian dollars,
were down a half percent ninety one point one against pounds,
Sterling down point six percent forty six point one.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
You're a good black, go well. Appreciate it very much,
Greg Smith, Devon Funds Management, PASKI give an indication that
the American economy is doing nicely. Thank you. Cyber Monday
was the biggest US online shopping day ever, fifteen point
eight million dollars every sixty seconds, and this was over
five day spendings thirteen point three billion. That's for Cyber

(11:02):
Monday alone, up seven point three percent. This is from
Adobe Analytics, and consumers spent for the entire Thanksgiving period
forty one point one billion dollars. They've never spent more ever.
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Speaker 1 (11:19):
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Speaker 2 (11:26):
As they pull the plug on Heckset. It hasn't officially
happened yet. But Will Navarro, you may remember the name.
He was around the first time Trump was in power.
Then he went to jail. They've led him out of
jail just in time to become the Senior Councilor for
Trade and Manufacturing, so then needs back good. It's good
that so it's not all recidivism. Clearly, Isn't it mean
you can go to jail and come out still be

(11:47):
gainfully employees. Korea, who's had a very difficult time in
the last twenty four hours, does actually have some good news.
They have gone gangbusters when it comes to making things
to kill people. They are very good at military costs.
It's cheaper, their stuff arrives faster, and it's almost as
good as the top tier stuff. Not quite as good,

(12:08):
but that's why most of the world's military are buying Korean.
So expenditure increased. This is globally from the Stockholm International
Peace Research Institute. World military expenditure increase for the ninth
consecutive year. It's up six point eight percent year on year.
Two point four to four trillion dollars is what we
spend on stuff to kill other people. Steepest year on

(12:29):
year increase since two thousand and nine global spending record.
We've never spent more on things that go bang as
far as exports are concerned. For Korea seventeen point three billion,
it's going to exceed twenty billion this year. That's that's
like the dairy industry in bombs. It's incredible, isn't it?

Speaker 9 (12:48):
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Speaker 11 (12:48):
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Speaker 2 (12:55):
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you want to talk movies, Woody Harrelson, His life has
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of a deep sea diver who became untethered as you do,
with only five minutes of oxygen left and a rescue
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Speaker 4 (13:09):
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Speaker 11 (13:16):
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Speaker 6 (13:25):
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Speaker 9 (13:29):
Let's hope we get.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Out of that right now that.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
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This hip's not drifted, Chris is because I got that's
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
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Speaker 9 (13:46):
I will come back for you for you have.

Speaker 12 (13:48):
To get yourself back to the top. I can't rescue
you if.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
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sounds a bit tense, doesn't it really? Mind you? That's
what happens underwater when you've got nowhere what he Harrelson
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out in cinemas February twenty five, Good news. I couldn't

(14:11):
find you in the top one hundred cities in New
Zealand City. But in terms of least safe countries and
dreadful places to be. We aren't in there either. Least
safe country in the world's Bikina Faso, worse for health
and medical care, Afghanistan, the hardest to get around Afghanistan
in terms of travel. Least safe city Central African Republic

(14:34):
or be route take your pick. Safest city in the
world bernd Oh, Melbourne, Montreal, Muscat, Ottawa, Soul, Singapore, the
Hague and Tokyo.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
I'm full of.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Fun facts this morning. See this is how cool I
am at Christmas time. Forestry conversions, the old farming business.
Big call came from the government yesterday. I think they've
got it right. Talk to fed farmer after the news which.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
Is next.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Talk to like my costing breakfast with the range rover.
The law designed to intrigue and use tromps dead be.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Money has survived. They're having a debate and after the
debate they have implied. So we're standing by. In France,
Catherine Field will be with a shortly anytime at twenty
three minutes away from seven. Big move from the government
on farm to forest conversion. By next October limits are
going to be in place on what land can be
converted and how much planting had happened fit farmers. Forestry
spokesperson Toby Williams with us on this Toby Morning Morning. Mike,

(15:35):
they got it right.

Speaker 13 (15:36):
You're not happy, No, We're really happy. This is one
of those things we've been asking for. It actually probably
goes a little bit further than what we've been asking
having those restrictions on land class six, but also having
the ability for farmers still to plant up to twenty
five percent of their own land irrespect of what the
slope is as a great coop for farming.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Have you had good input into it of the government
listen to.

Speaker 13 (15:57):
You, Yeah, we have. So that's something I've been on there.
Will's been working on for now for three or four
years of the government. You know, they's a part of
now the government, and it's really aren't at all of
our calls and I think it's very clear, really care
we need to be really careful. Here is that bag.
You can still be planted on those land classes, we
just can't claim the ets. So it brings restores the
balance back between farming and production forestry and make sure

(16:20):
we're playing off an even field.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
What were things getting carere had we tipped it too
far in one way?

Speaker 13 (16:26):
No, we had clipped it too far one way. Yeah,
And that's one of a big big criticisms has been that,
you know, we're they're farm up here on the coast
sixteen sixty hour sorry, and a lot of it's Class
three and four and it's all been planted into pine trees,
which is a waste of productive farmland. Now we've got
the balance right and we're looking forward to you know,
working with the government ensure that we get some changes

(16:47):
to the ets, so we're actually achieving our goals.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Flip side is I've got one hundred hec. There is
somebody who wants to plant forests, often me ten dollars
a hec there more, What do I do?

Speaker 9 (16:55):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
That's unfair to a degree, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (16:58):
Well, it's not when you've already distorted the market by
having this ability for people to you know, pay really
high prices, driving up fat land is beyond the reach
of a sheep bee farmer. We've got even dairy farmers
down in the south and going, and that's how high
the carbon price had got. So it was out of
control and it's just restore some balance it doesn't mean,

(17:19):
you know, it's not going to happen to restore some
balance back into it.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Was it laziness? I mean, when you're looking at carbon climate,
et cetera. If you can plant a tree, you were
always going to, won't it, because it's the easy way out.

Speaker 13 (17:30):
Yeah, there's an easy way. And a broad Car had
an article talking about how the ETS is going to
fail because of their very reason. It's easier and it's
more convenient to plant a tree rather than change behavior.
What we need to see is behavior. Chan we just
stop pluting. We need to stop pumping tons and millions
of tons of CO two into the ear, and we'll
start solving some of our problems. We could plant all
of our farm land in New Zealand and global warming

(17:52):
will still occur because they're still a mating.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Calvin, So you would, you would. He's outgoing at the
Client Commission. Of course, he says, and listeners made you change,
We're going to fail. You would agree with them.

Speaker 13 (18:00):
Yeah, we'd agree with them. You know, the ETS should
be set up to change behaviors. Right now, the only
thing that is doing as marketing behaviors. Any office, anything
that says net emissions you know, we need to talk
about grosser missions and we have grosser missions profile, not
undet emissions, although it's it's a convenient thing you're be doing.
So we're doing our bit. We've got our net measures
at x y z H.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
You won't have I don't know whether you've seen it,
but we've got the administer on after seven o'clock there's
a new methane emissions report out and their argument is
that that we don't need to cut by as much
if the world does a whole bunch more than they're
doing currently. The problem is the world won't do a
whole bunch more than they're doing currently. Therefore we might
have to. So you see what I mean. It's like
if the world doesn't do it, what's the point.

Speaker 13 (18:42):
Yeah. Well, well, also to remember we're a very small
market on the small country sorry down the end.

Speaker 10 (18:47):
Of the world.

Speaker 13 (18:48):
We've got actually a very low missions profile, and all
of our emissions, we remove all of our missions, we're
not going to move the needle. However, we still need
to do our bit, and you know what, we don't
want to sacrifice our productive economy to be able to
achieve and under current targets and the current legislation we've had.
That's what we're going to do. And the Paris call
was very clear we shouldn't be fiting food production to

(19:11):
get our missions and check and that's the one thing
that we've been doing.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Good stuff Toybey appreciated very much like his cut of
his Jim Tobey Williams Federator Farmers Forestry spokes versus nineteen
minutes away from seven tasking funny a business in Australia
at the moment, a number of Australians purchasing from shopifire.
This goes back to Cyber Monday. Black Friday grew fourteen percent.
On average a couple hundred bucks was spent. That's a
twenty three percent increase. Everyone was after a bit of fashion,
bit of beauty, some health and if you missed it

(19:35):
yesterday and Greg alluded to it, the GDP number was anemic.
At least it was growing unlike our country. But nevertheless,
the whole economy currently is propped up by government spending.
The government don't have any money, and of course when
the government spends money, they don't have you know what happened,
so you know, Australia actually not doing that well nineteen
to seven.

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week for New Zealand Ink with the Supreme Court Macan
decision and the Forestry conversion decision removing the ridiculous subsidy
for forest I Tea. To agree with you, let's go
to France six forty.

Speaker 11 (21:11):
Fist International correspondence with ends in eye insurance peace of
mind for New Zealand Business Morning, Good morning Mane.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Does he survive when you reckon?

Speaker 7 (21:23):
It's looking pretty difficult for the current French Prime Minister,
Michelle Burnier. He of course is facing that no confidence motion.
The vote will be sometime within the next hour. Currently
he's about fifty votes short, so that's not much time
for him to find those extra fifty votes he needs
to be able to save the day.

Speaker 9 (21:44):
All we've been.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
Hearing Mike for the last thirty six hours has been
warnings from the right and from the government that if
Parliament brings down this government that there will be just chaos.
We'll be diving into the unknown, and so they've been
using very very much this threat that France cannot go
down this road. It would be moving out of a

(22:05):
sort of stablish economy, a stablish government if they do this,
and of course, if the government loses us, the prime
minister loses this, this vote of that goes against him,
then that will be the first time since nineteen sixty
two that a French prime minister has lost a vote
of confidence.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Do you think Macron knew this was coming or he
was just so stuck to find somebody in the first place,
he thought he'd worry about it another day.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Well, there were not a lot of people ready to
do this job back in then, you know, in September,
so he was pretty stuck finding someone. He's going to
be even more stuck now, Mike. But there was no
love loss between Michel Barnier and Emanual Macron. In fact,
in the last week apparently Emanual Macron had started asking
around anyone wanted the job. And just an indication of

(22:56):
that is we've already got four names of people who
are ready to step in as prime minister to try
and save the day.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
So that's France. Then you've got Germany which is a
basket case, and their government's collapsed, and then there's an
election coming in VW on strike. I mean for what
it once was, what a mess.

Speaker 7 (23:14):
What a mess indeed, and there is just no good
economic news coming out at the moment. Just today, Mike
oecd that you're, the Paris based think tag came up
with new figures for Europe's economy. It's said that the
German economy is only going to grow by about point
seven percent next year, so that's down from the predictions
that it was going to be just over one percent.

(23:35):
The French economy expected to grow just zero point nine percent.
That's a cut of point three percent. So this is
well below the European average. So you're no good news
there and really looking difficult to see how this could
change because both countries have gone a lot of political infighting.
They're facing the same problems as everyone else. Let's look

(23:56):
at high energy prices week, foreign demand, growing threat of
trade protectionism, high inflation, soaring energy prices. When you look
further down the road, might none of the indicators say
it's going to get better.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
In the short term. Okay, Hey, what was this Russian
ship doing firing on the military helicopter. What was going
on there?

Speaker 7 (24:17):
Very strange this one, Mike. It seems to be the
allegations at least that it was another one of these
sort of hybrid attacks that your parts of native countries
are coming under at the moment. The German Foreign Minister
has said that a Russian ship, not saying whether there
was a military ship, but a Russian ship fired a

(24:38):
signaling weapon of some sort and a German military helicopter
in the Baltic on Wednesday. Now, of course the German
military helicopter was up there because they're doing a lot
more present than surveillance there following what last month's damage
of those two communication cables in the Baltic. The reason
everyone's so worried about this at the moment, Mike, is

(25:01):
just last week we had here in Paris the head
of British intelligence, the head of MI six, and the
head of the French intelligence agency warning that at the
moment the Russians are being and I'm quoting here, staggeringly
reckless in their sabotage attempts against Western targets. And the
head of MI six actually said at this public meeting

(25:23):
that his agents are working around the clock to stop
these events spiraling out of control.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Hey, are you looking forward to seeing old Trumpster over
the weekend at Notre Dame.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
He's going to be here on Saturday. Yes, I was
there today and they are putting up all sorts of covering.
So it's when those delegates come out of these the VIPs,
get out of their cars and have to walk up
into the cathedral that they won't.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Get that wet good stuff. You go, well, appreciate it, Catherine.
Nice to see you written an interesting piece. The other
d I reput them in the war. Basically it's destroyed
the social fabrica of Russia. I mean, it's not the
first time they've been at war, but the drinking and
going on in Russia at the moment is more and
more dead people come back to you know, one of them,
the body bags come home. The drinkings cone alcohol deaths
are up thirty percent so far this year. Ten minutes

(26:11):
away from seven.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
The make Hostle revers with us talks.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Michael, you're eighteen to sixty three in a male You
can't leave the country by law of the drinkings not
killing them. The upcoming inflation of twenty percent will start them.
I figure at some point. I mean, obviously the media
is stacked and you never hear the true stories. But
I figure at some point there's enough people lying dead
on the street and coming back in body bags, the
average Russian might just go, you know what. I'm not
sure this guy knows what he's doing. Mike, you and

(26:39):
Ryan were talking about work Christmas part. He's not all
business owners neglect their staff. This is the business out
this morning of the state sector. I'll go through it later.
It's so sad. Not all businesses neglect their stuff. This
year eight agents, three off his staff and there and
their families from real Property Real Estate Kerry Kerey were
taken from Kerry Kerey and a coach to Mungo to

(27:00):
Be Pub for a beer, on to Carrington Estate for lunch,
the beach ed Mattai for a couple of hours with
a chili bin and food and drink, and back to
Munging to Be for a beautiful time meal, no cost
to staff at all. This follows one year where they
took us for an overnight stay at Kawai Island needless
to stay. Staff turnovers zero. Now there's a lot of
people looking after the staff. It's just that you're between

(27:20):
a rock and a hard place in the state sector,
aren't you. I mean the moment you have a party,
everyone's after you. But there comes a point and I'll
give you the fine detail because they've gone through department
by department. When you're asking staff to bring along seven
dollars and their own drink, it's like, don't worry about it, just.

Speaker 12 (27:38):
I mean having anything. It's quite hard to bring seven.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Dollars precisely excellent.

Speaker 14 (27:42):
Yeah, it might have a five dollars, twelve dollars, fifty
ye're getting it. Three dollars change from a ten year?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Can I have change? Because I've only got it. It's
just it's hopeless five minutes away from seven, all.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
The ins and the outs. It's the beers with business favor.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Really call new survey from a union. You're ready for this.
So this is the business of the public service working
from home. Willis got herself involved in this and she goes, really,
we need you back in town, come back to Wellington,
all that sort of stuff. So anyway, the PSA have
done their research and their researchers. They just asked their
members what they think, so they already know what the
answer is. So the headline is research shows working from

(28:23):
home improves public service productivity. So eighty five percent of
respondents work from home at least one day a week,
majority work a couple of days. Eighty five percent said
it enabled them to get more work done, and they
said that with a straight face. Eighty nine percent said
it allowed them to work with greater concentration, and they
said that with a straight face. Seventy nine percent said

(28:45):
it helped them stay motivated. They're still not laughing. Seventy
eight percent said it improved performance of their employer. Didn't
actually ask the employer, so that's just literally made up.
Fifty five percent said they're working from home arrangement wasn'tn
informal agreement with their manager, i e. They just did
it and it was never really questioned. So we're Sharon today.
I think she'll probably be at home. That's how it

(29:07):
works in the public service. The minds you Sharon. Once
he's gathered up her seven dollars and her little bottle
of Jacob's Creek, she's off to the Star party. The
PSA members were also asked how important it was then
to be able to work from home for their employment well,
seventy seven percent said it was important to either a
large or a very large extent. And there is one

(29:29):
government department that looks like it's having some fun. There's
a karaoke machine and jumbo Jinger and that's the only
government department out of about fifteen that's doing anything that.
I'll let you know which department that is, because you
want to apply for work there once they start rehiring.
So what have we got. We've got the agg Minister

(29:51):
on a bunch of stuff. International students are coming back
to the country. That's a good sign. And if you
like country music, you will love Jordan Davis. He's with us.

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Speaker 2 (30:13):
Falling seven past seven more advised for farmers run methane
and expert Climate panel has concluded we could still meet
our climate targets without dressed cuts to methane emissions. We
thought maybe forty seven percent was required. They now argue
could be as lar as twenty four percent. The Egg
Minister Todd McLay with us Todd Morning and make good morning,
biogenic methane ten percent reduction below seventeen by twenty thirty

(30:35):
four to twenty five. I got a headache reading this.
Does anyone understand what's going on?

Speaker 15 (30:40):
It is very very technically. You're right, and that's the
reason that we campaigned on having an independent scientific review
of the role of methane from animals from cows against
additional warming.

Speaker 10 (30:51):
You're right.

Speaker 15 (30:52):
Currently the legislation says by twenty fifty there has to
be a twenty four to forty seven percent decrease of methane.
That's not a target for farmers to work towards. It's
just a really broad band that last government said, we
don't know, we'll work it out later. So this is
the first bit of independent advice in government's commissions that
will help inform us of exactly what that target should
be and we'll look to work through to set that

(31:14):
next year.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Do you see it as solid work or it's malleable.
It's variable. We still don't know.

Speaker 15 (31:19):
Well, it's based on science. There's been other reports have
been coming out. The sector have had one done that
the a few others who are reputable that are in
a similar place. And again this is very very technical.
It's the reason I'm so keen to move the debate
around from what we've seen over the last few years
to the science. So if we can land the science

(31:40):
it's credible, then actually we're informed that the action we're
taking is going to have an effect. I think so
far there's been a lot of talk that deletes us
in a different direction. You know, it's all about the
politics at the moment that should be based upon science
and whatever we do will be very hard for our farmers,
but we're only going to ask them to do what
they need to. We're not going to ask them to

(32:00):
do more than that.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Here's your problem, and this is in the report. It
is based on the world rapidly increasing its policies. I
don't think that's going to happen. So if they don't
do that, but what do we do?

Speaker 15 (32:10):
Yeah, so we as others around the world, have committed to,
you know, limiting warning to one point five percent, and
you are right, the rest of the world has to
step up. But we only need to focus on what
New Zealand does. We don't need to lead the world.
We don't need to do more than others. We don't
need to be right out in the front where you
need to focus on what our obligations are. And so
that's what the government is likely to do. But the

(32:32):
Climate Change Commission is also going to come out with
their report very soon. We'll take these two bits of advice.
We'll look at it, take some time to be sensible
next year, and then Kevin, it will make a decision.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, that commission. You talk of the outgoing chairperson broadcast,
he says, quote, it's going to fail. It needs pretty
radical reform, is you right.

Speaker 15 (32:51):
Well, I've got a lot of respect from his work,
very very hard, but no, I don't agree there. You know,
he he'll bring his report forward. I can't wait to
see what it is. It'll be his last opportunity to
have a view on us before there is a new
chair that.

Speaker 9 (33:04):
Will come in.

Speaker 15 (33:05):
But what we're going to do is work constructively. You know,
there are two views out there. We should be right
at the front of the queue leading the world. That's
harmful to New Zealand consumers and it's harmful to you know,
the economy. We are very smaller metters compared to almost
everybody else. But that's not a reason for us not
to do our fair share. We should be leading the
world in innovation, not in closing down businesses.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Good stuff top appreciated. It has almost taught mccloudy, the
Agriculture Minister Tim and it's past seven seven good news.
I think around international student numbers this year, the total
number of arrivals in the first two terms exceeded all
of last year, so enrollments are up six percent. More
than seventy three and a half thousand are on the books.
University of Auckland Bust Chancellor of Dawn Freshwaters. Will this Dawnbery,
good morning to.

Speaker 16 (33:45):
You, Good morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Where does this leave us compared pre COVID? Are we
back there yet or not?

Speaker 17 (33:54):
Actually we're not quite back there yet. But if you
look at and aggregate the seven percent that most of
the universities overall are still behind the pre pandemic levels,
we have surpassed our pre pandemic enrollments in twenty twenty
three at the University of Auckland. So we're seeing significant growth.

(34:14):
Great green shoots coming across particularly our New Zealand school
market and across our Auckland online offerings we've had a
faster recovery I think than most other New Zealand universities,
that particularly due to our strong reputation internationally. But I
have to say, of course, you know, if we're going

(34:35):
to continue to maintain and respond to this significant demand
and the increasing demand, which is a testimony to our
higher education system and the quality of it, then we
are going to need to make sure that we continue
to support that international growth on visas and the demand

(34:57):
for those visa process times to be critical in influencing
these conversion rates.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Because I'll ask you about that. Are you happy with
the system the way the demand then the visa applications,
what they do after they maybe graduate here and get jobs.
Is the system working.

Speaker 9 (35:18):
Well?

Speaker 17 (35:18):
There's two things here. The first is once you see
that increase in demand, so applications are up twenty four
percent on the year before the pandemic, and postgrad particularly
postgrad international, are up, which is fantastic for our nation.
But we won't know well until the new year what
this translates to. And that's you know, in terms of

(35:40):
additional enrollments, these are processing times become critical in influencing
the conversion rate. There's already some significant work going on
in the system automation and digitizing, and of course we're
looking at adding some additional and support into the system
ourselves for con version rates, but we do need to

(36:01):
work really closely with Emmigration News said on making sure
that happens.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, I'm super excited that the numbers are coming back.
Dawn Freshwater, the University of auglandvised Chancellor. I suspect that
something in Australia because Australia has turned it into a
just an absolute disaster demand and Australia's through the roof.
Albanese is panicked because they link it to jobs and
housing and they've got huge troubles in that area, so
they've started capping the numbers, so we're probably picking up
something there as well. Thirteen past seven ask if we're

(36:27):
on as most people want to work from home at
least a couple of days a week due to the traffic,
especially in Auckland. Look, I buy some of those where
you couldn't agree more. If you could, if you can
genuinely be as productive at home and you save yourself
all the commuting time, why on earth wouldn't you? Mike,
what's jumbo? Jinger? It's Jinger the game, so they're providing
karaoke and jumbo Jinger in one of the departments. I'll
come back to that after seven thirty. My husband's a

(36:48):
police officer, a small station. They pay for their own
Christmas dinner. When they asked for one hundred bucks for
seven staff, they received a massive serve for asking, Yeah,
don't blame you. Thirteen past.

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Speaker 18 (37:10):
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Speaker 19 (37:15):
We have come to a moment of truth, ladies and gentlemen,
a moment of responsibility.

Speaker 9 (37:21):
I heard M.

Speaker 19 (37:25):
Gabriel at all, thank you for your trust, who expressed
his wishes.

Speaker 18 (37:31):
Giv more degree production, to.

Speaker 19 (37:35):
Have less noise, more action. It's hard year, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (37:44):
Atuka more regardless, less noise would be good, more respect.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, So anyway, it seems jovial enough for a blow piece.
Fifty votes short, so we'll see where that goes. Seventeen
and it's past seven. More insight into the housing market
this morning. Bank of Mum and Dad one in three keyweks.
Bank of Mum and Dad is helping one in three keywis.
They did some research. You'll remember a couple of years
ago consuming New Zealand, the Bank of Mum and Dad
was the fifth biggest lender at twenty two point six

(38:14):
billion dollars. A question you ask yourself is it a
gift or a loan? But then here's the critical here's
the critical fault in all of this. Nothing wrong with
Mum and Dad being a bank of you know, to
help the kids do. Nothing wrong with that. But seventy
six percent in the survey, seventy six percent agree that
at the current rate, future generations will be shut out
of home ownership unless their parents can help them financially.

(38:36):
It is simply not true. And if you believe that,
then you've fooled yourself into something that doesn't have to
be the case. And the first home buyers number of
first home buyers more than proves it. Now, let me
come to the business of the Christmas parties around the
state sector. It is such a miserable lineup it makes
you sad. Ministry of Business as an MB it would

(38:57):
not be providing a subsidy for an end function Ministry
of Housing are no Christmas function at all. Customs it's
not arranging or funding anything. Crown Law staff they can
pay to attend their b YO Christmas do. The agency
said festivities are being held in the office, with some
costs paid for from its Social Committee fundraising efforts. Staff

(39:17):
need to bring their own drinks and a small entry
fee covers finger food offers for Mari Crown relations being
disestablished anyway, as far as I know, they need to
pay seven dollars to attend the end of ys staff
party seven dollars. It's being held off site a charter
school agency which is new of course planning a Christmas

(39:38):
lunch and an external site. Staff also have to pay
for that. So an external lunch that's nice. The new
Ministry of Regulation first Christmas do this year. Of course,
staff has to bring a plate of food. Refreshments are
being provided by the Ministry's senior leadership team, so there's
some hope there. Department of Prime Minister fund by individuals.
Nothing barbecue for KiwiRail, Quipirale doing some barbecues. Other sites

(40:01):
are having a morning tea. Ministry of Health. This is
where it's all on. This is the place to be.
Ministry of Health that's got the karaoke and the giant ginger.
There is a morning tea at the Wellington office. They've
got five and a half grand. That comes out at
nine dollars fifteen per person, So that's higher than pretty
much every anywhere else. Catered food is consistent with the

(40:21):
Ministry of Health's National Healthy Food and Drink Policy. Boring
staff at the Department of Maternal Affairs morning or afternoon
tea at twelve bucks ahead. The Ministry of Justice Ministry
for Ethnic Communities has budgeted fifteen dollars per person but
can't be spent No booze, No booze. Ministry of Primary

(40:42):
Industries they've reduced it per person two twenty dollars ahead.
It's gone down to twenty dollars ahead and twenty dollars
at the Education Review Office at corrections twenty five dollars,
but once again no booze. Seven twenty.

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twenty four. Interesting but good move, I think overall. I
thought about this yesterday afternoon of the announcement came out.
This is on the forestry and farming. See it's another
example of practical thinking and application in an area that

(42:15):
relied to be frank on laziness to solve a problem.
Ever since we became obsessed with climate change, and we
became obsessed with things that might or might not address
climate change, the low hanging fruit has been trees in
carbon markets. Now carbon Market says we've seen yet again
this year don't work. Government MUCKs around with the rules,
change the prices, freaks the market out, and all the
credits that go up for sale, by and large don't

(42:36):
get sold. They all pile into the next auction and
don't get sold until they get piled into the fourth
and final oction of the year, whereby they're not sold again.
So they then get dumped dumped as in they never
actually existed. Of course, in the first place, it's a
mad invented idea that only works of people believe it works,
and so far they don't. Then we plant trees, why
because it's easy. So a paddock of trees or a
paddic of sheep or crops or cows in a country

(42:58):
where we already build two men the houses on productive land. Also,
planting trees on that sort of land is criminal and stupid.
What this country does is feed the world. Our ability
on quality in many areas is unmatched, and we get
the price returned for it. But and here is where
the old freedom of movement and thinking comes in. If
you've got one hundred hectares and you want to sell
it to and the person who wants to buy it

(43:20):
wants to plant trees, is offering more than the bloke
next door who wants to expand as farm and keep sheep.
You are now potentially limited by a government that has
decided for you what you do with your property, and
that's always a fairly tricky area. Ultimately, though, governments must
act in these circumstances on behalf of the nation. And
if we aren't so reliant on food as a producer,
I mean, if we were a tech center or a

(43:42):
space center, or an oil center, or a strategic global
based like Singapore or Dubai, it might be different. But
land is our calling card, and one day we will
work out trees aren't the answer to climate change. And
by the time we work that out, reconverting that land
won't be possible. So in that sense, this decision basically
saves us from ourselves. Mike. It's the media who are
responsible for the grinch on government Christmas shindigs. Media would

(44:04):
jump on things instantly and report them as they Yes,
click bake, you're right. Yeah, I mean, we're not entirely responsible,
but you're right partially. They're between a rock and a
hard place, Mike. I see, the chief executives of New
Zealand Rail and Transpower are two of the highest paid
public service employees. Imagine how much they get if they
knew how to turn off auto pilot and how many
nuts to remove safely for a pilot not to fall labor.
It's very good points and nice. If you didn't see that,

(44:26):
it was yesterday of the day before, I can't remember,
but the Herald ran a whole bunch of numbers, and
can I sound like a completely out of touch pratt
just for a moment. So I looked at those numbers
of people leading the public service, and I wouldn't do
those jobs for anywhereny of that money. I don't care
what it is these people are ruining. It seemed to
me from ment with three four one hundred thousand dollars
to run an entire public service. Now, is that a

(44:48):
lot of money? Of course, it's a lot of money.
It's a tremendous amount of money. But think about what
they're doing. They're running hundreds of not thousands of people.
They've got the media on their back constantly, They've got
the government on their back constantly. They're in a no
win position in general. They're expected to be doing the
job not for the money, but for the public good,
whatever the hell that means. And for that you get

(45:11):
to be frank a pretty ordinary sort of salary, no
thank you. And I came to the conclusion that we're
not paying them enough. And if we actually paid some
proper dough, average executive chief executive in this country is
about two million. If we started paying some proper dough,
we might actually get some proper people doing a proper job.

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Speaker 2 (45:42):
While I get the sentiment as to why the government
wants to change the rules on carbon farming, it's pulled
the wrong lever. All this has done is mean a
farmer's highest better on cell date, maybe gone retirement options
narrowed now for marginal farms, watch the age of farmers
retiring go up. That's what I was trying to argue.
But I think in totality the nation's got when Mike
couldn't agree with you. More on the pay of public servants.
Don't get me started on the pay of mayors and

(46:04):
council as we expect people with good governance experience to
run an organization with over a billion in assets, deal
with constant winging from the community, all for fifty odd grand.
It's not a bad point, is it? Twenty three minutes
away from eight about.

Speaker 9 (46:16):
Their all three to miss?

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Look a fair to the fifty that's bringing bread for
chief SATs in small lands. Guys, good for leaving Jordan
Datus if you don't know the name, he's with us after.
He's coming here with Luke Holmbs next year. So he's
with us after eight o'clock from Nashville. One of the
more raye opening stats that's come out of the scrutiny
week at Parliament this week is the factor couter beneficiaries
being paid incorrectly only seventy seven point six percent are

(46:41):
on the money. The target is ninety five percent, so
no Christmas party for them this year. Criminal Advice Bureau
Criminal Advice Citizens' Advice Bureau Deputy CEO Andrew Hubbard is
with us. Andrew, very good morning to you, cure, Mike.
How are you very well? Imagine if you were called
the Criminal Advice Bureau different anyway, Listen, what's gone wrong here?

(47:04):
Has this been I take it this isn't happened yesterday.
This is an ongoing thing.

Speaker 16 (47:07):
Right, yes, although one of the I think most disappointing
things has actually been got worse over the last several years.
So instead of heading towards the ninety five percent, they're
heading away from it. Which is which is a serious problem.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Is this nurse's robo pay. All the complexities we've seen
around pay and this is just another example of it.

Speaker 16 (47:28):
I mean, that's definitely part of the fact that I
think if we look at you know, there's thirty thousand
more people on income support in the last year and
no increase in the start to deal with that, and
so you know what we're seeing is you know, really
struggling to about to talk to a real person to
address a problem. If you do do come across one
in your payment.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Is it fair to suggest that, as I understand the
beneficiary system, it's complex. It's not just you know, you
just get a thing, you can apply for all sorts
of different things available to you, and it's that complexity
that we'll be the problem.

Speaker 16 (48:01):
Yes, that's definitely a huge component of the problem. Just
thinking of an example of a client who we dealt
with very recently, who you know, had applied was struggling financially.
He had applied to some extras supplementary benefit which she
got given to her, and then four days later she
gets a differently. They're from Work and Income saying they've
overpaid her on some other element of the benefit. And
now that she's that has a one and a half

(48:23):
thousand dollars debt to work an income, they're going to
take away from the benefit.

Speaker 10 (48:26):
They're just closed her.

Speaker 16 (48:27):
And so we see lots of situations like that.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
And here's the problem that calls the straightest, doesn't it
In difficult time you.

Speaker 16 (48:33):
Need yeah, exactly, And so you know, we're really concerned.
In the last five years or so, debt to MSD's
almost doubled, and a lot of that is to do
with overpayments that you know, quite frankly shouldn't be you know,
the people who've been over paid shouldn't be held responsible
for that. Mostly it's to do with a change of circumstance.
Maybe they've been a week late, or it's taken NSD

(48:55):
time to catch up with their change that they've told
them about, and yet they're then facing a debt which
comes out of there. You know, people are already struggling on
the amount they get from working and come and then
they get a deck taken off there and it's just
it's counterproductive.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Do you have any sense of whether anybody's on top
of this and going, actually, seventy seven is not good enough,
and we are correcting it and it will be sorted
by X.

Speaker 16 (49:16):
I mean, I think it will be fair to say
that this stat wasn't surprise for us From our interactions
with clients over the last year. You know, we've been
seeing What we really are concerned about is the level
of inconsistency depending on who you talk to, and so
you know, we are concerned that you know, there's no
apparent change for the better in the situation.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Who all right, well, I've got the prime Minister on
the program tomorrow, so we'll we'll put that to him
and see what he's up to. Andrew Hubbard, who's the
Citizens Advice Bureau Deputy Chief Executive. Nineteen minutes away from
eight Pascal, we've had the announcement of the winner of
the Turner Prize. I love the Turner Prize because it's
just wacky people doing wacky things, and they call it
ut Jesselyne Kerr is the winner this year. She uses

(49:57):
a vintage Ford escort, some worship bells, some Ernbreu to
celebrate the Scottish Sikh community. So it's an altar altar exhibition.
The considered way in which she weaves together the personal, political,
and spiritual in her exhibition. Praised for gathering different voices

(50:19):
through unexpected and playful combinations of materials. She wins twenty
five pounds.

Speaker 12 (50:24):
Was that the banana thing?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
It's along the lines, but it's better than the banana.
The exhibition includes family photos, an axeminster carpet, a vintage
car covered in a giant doiley, and kinetic handbells. Now
you can't argue with that, so look it up and
it's just absolutely fantastic and doesn't it bring doesn't it
gladden your heart at this time of year when I
use the word Axminster, a that is so down memory Lane,

(50:52):
and that's and that there's no Axminster in kying Aura,
and there should be anyway. Speaking of education, which I
broadly was probably not one of my best segues for
the year, but nevertheless, I've got some new numbers around
education this morning. The pearls are out or the pims,
the pearls or the tyms or the pieces are out.
Got some numbers.

Speaker 12 (51:10):
When is that fixator's appointment.

Speaker 14 (51:14):
Or the pen I just talking to the guy from
the Criminal Advice for you know how it goes.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It's eighteen minutes away from eight.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by News Talks at Me.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
So you got your tims, You've got your pearls, you
got your pieza. This is the education testing around the world,
and we, as you are well aware, have not doing
particularly well for a number of years. But I have
the greatest of news this morning. The test Maths, the
Test Science study of year nine and then thirteen year olds.
First time since twenty fifteen, the average scores have not

(51:47):
fallen in any of the three big international studies TIMS
pearls pizza first time, so that's good. Year five students
are average of four ninety in maths up from four
to eighty seven the twenty nineteen round of testing five seventeen,
and science up from five oh three, So we're removing
in the right direction, not rapidly but slowly. Year nine's

(52:08):
four eight five and maths up from four eight two
five oh two, and Science up from four nine to nine.
Now the math tests the Asian nation's not surprisingly Singapore
leads with six fifteen. So if you look at Singapore
at six fifteen and we're at four ninety, we're a
mile behind. We're still below the international average. So Singapore
six fifteen, England five fifty two, Australia five twenty five
are the US five seventeen. So the figure showed that

(52:30):
by the time New Zealand children entered secondary year nine
twenty percent did not meet the tim's benchmark. Now is
that bad, Well, of course it's bad, but it is
similar to the international average. International average is nineteen percent.
So glass half full or glass half empty half empty.
It's like, well, we're just as useless. As everybody else
glass half full. Well, you know we're improving, so let's

(52:54):
take that. Mike. Please tell me you saw the New
Zealand Herald facebook page. I don't read the Facebook page.
I'm not on Facebook around Luxeon selling the property, trying
to make him out to be the devil in tax where.
It's not just the Herald. You can't just blame the Herald.
The whole media has been all over this so Luxe
and it turns out had eight hundred houses or was
it seven I can't remember. And remember the interview when
he first became Prime minister and who was one of

(53:14):
the political letters was saying seven houses he in touch
with anybody being a rich person anyway sold I think
he sold three of them Blakely and they're just little
one two betties. They're just a little rental place. He's
not selling mentioned. There's no castles on the hill. They're
just little rental properties. And every time he sells one,
you get a headline or prime and I solls property
might yesterday's headline was he might have made three hundred

(53:37):
thousand dollars, so god for but you go kids and facts.
So let's just pick a figure might have made three
hundred thousand dollars fabulous.

Speaker 14 (53:44):
I mean, god, presumably he's supposed to be saying to
the agent, can you go and find me somebody who's
going to make me an offer?

Speaker 12 (53:51):
That means that I lose money on this.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Exactly what I'm really looking to do is go broke
as fast as I possibly can.

Speaker 12 (53:58):
Yeah, these people are all coming to me. They are
too high.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Very interesting article in the Australian media this morning on
Dan Andrews, the former leader of Victoria, which gives you
an insight into why Jessindra Duna is not living in
the country and I almost emphasis on the word almost
feel sorry for them. Dan Andrews is increasingly being rejected
from a growing number of Melbourne restaurants and cafes. In

(54:22):
other words, when he turns up with his wife, they go,
no thanks, mate, we're full. And so you think, does
that mean that one of the guys who runs a
guy called Dimotina. The Dimotina family particularly famous in Melbourne,
and he runs a South Melbourne venue of Lamarros which
is well known. Anyway, he Andrews turns up the other
day and goes, no way in hell you're sitting down

(54:43):
here made no way in hell. Turns of away. He
said he would have to be Andrews the most hated
person in Victoria. The trail of destruction Andrew's left is
still being felt today. Small businesses closed down, endless, lockdown's
critical health care, neglected children out on school. He didn't
help anyone. Mental health went downhill, and now Andrews has

(55:04):
a job in mental health, if you can believe it.
Business was decimated. CBD's a ghost town. Once thriving restaurants
are boarded up. Chapel Street, Lygon Street, empty businesses everywhere.
He's not sitting at my place. And apparently this bloke's
not all one.

Speaker 14 (55:20):
And then they hailed Gandhi as being like the originator
of nonviolent protest.

Speaker 12 (55:25):
But really it's pretty effective, isn't it If everywhere you
go people just go yeah, no, not in here, mate.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Happened to Melbourne? Happens here? I guess I suspect eleven
away from eight.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
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Speaker 2 (55:40):
Head be it is heaven away from eight, So I
fu in fact for you. Each year, the airline industry
globally loses thirteen billion dollars to fog. So we now
have technology that predicts fog, predicts fog and prevents fight
delays local tech piper Vision. The founder is Emily Blyth,
who's with us. Emily, good morning, Good morning Mite. Tell
you I'm well, thank you. So this is in the

(56:00):
sense that you're predicting, not trying to clear, right, So
there's two ways of.

Speaker 20 (56:04):
Going about this, that's correct. Yeah, predicting is going to
be our first stage an approach.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Now it's where are you at in the process. I mean,
if you've got a product set to go, you're close
to where are you at?

Speaker 20 (56:15):
Yeah, So we've built an initial forecasting model that can
predict fog much more accurately than what traditional models can.
It's still got a lot to go in terms of
lifting performance. We need additional data sets to plug in there,
and we've turned up with a team add attentive technologies
to collect that data, which is really exciting. But we
should be ready to have or start making an impact

(56:37):
for the public early twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Six with what level of accuracy.

Speaker 20 (56:43):
So at the moment, with existing data only, we're performing
at a fifty percent jump on traditional models. So new
Zealand accuracy is around nineteen percent. Traditionally we're at thirty
two percent with existing data only, but we're going to
be adding in a lot more spatial awareness at ground
level two, which will help lift that performance much better.

(57:04):
So I'm hoping to get way better than a queen flip.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So nineteen percent currently, in other words, you've got a
far greater chance of being completely wrong. Yeah yeah, gosh, So.

Speaker 20 (57:16):
On those days where fogs yet duetiform?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah yeah?

Speaker 17 (57:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Is generative AI involved that? Does that solve everything? Or not?

Speaker 20 (57:24):
Not quite. What we're using is we're wanting to see
traditional models are using numerical weather models to predict fogs,
so that relies on our own scientific understanding of how
fog forms at a local level, and when our own
understanding is not very great, the calculations and method of
what the model can achieve isn't isn't very good either.

(57:46):
So by switching through to a machine learning model, we
can actually start to kind of harness AI to teach
us what are the patterns that we're recognizing, and then
we can intupulate that data to actually learn more about fog.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Longer to well, how in advance can you potentially do
it because it's the in advance, but that I'm assuming
allows an airport or an airline to react.

Speaker 20 (58:09):
Yeah, so the airline schedules are set up to respond
super super quickly, which is great. And we're aiming initially
for a three hour forecast horizon with real time data,
so providing sort of minutely updates coming through. Just to
give a bit of context here, current forecasts are only
updated every three to six hours and so that all

(58:33):
gives them a lot better information around whether those flights
can change and within the New Zealand market, will give
the airlines in ours time in order to make those
flight changes needed. And we'll slightly grow that up from there.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Super exciting. I'm going to get you back in twenty
twenty six and we'll have a good talk about it
when it's all set to go.

Speaker 20 (58:50):
How's that sounds great?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Thank you harded to talk to Emily Go well, Emily
blythe I don't know how old she is. I do
know how old is she's in the twenties. She's another
one of these young New Zealand freak shows your parents
would be unbelievably proud of.

Speaker 12 (59:05):
But talk about rip the top off that we've all
always suspected.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Which is what they haven't got a clue. They haven't
the slightest idea.

Speaker 14 (59:12):
Next time you see somebody predicting exactly there might be
fog patches.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Tomorrow morning, nineteen percent, just.

Speaker 12 (59:18):
Turn off your TV exactly Rightdow.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
You think about the amount of broadcasting time that's been
given to what we now know to be literally nothing
more than guesswork.

Speaker 14 (59:27):
Nineteen percent charts a big It's about as accurate as
the profit made by the Prime Minister on a house.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Welcome to Media, twenty twenty four. Styles Jordan Davis, I
love him, You'll love them, is coming here with Luke
Comb's by Dirt. Of course you'll know the song that's
the big hit among others. Of course he's with us
from Nashville after the News, which.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Is next here a news talk secret, your trusted source
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Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
There'd be a few days before returned eighty.

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He was sitting now back in the rack.

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He said, what you've been up too late?

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I told him to say Dayland. He seven past that
Jordan Davis another one of these lead college moves to Nashville,
working a bar, get discovered and going to a big
time success stories. Eight years after he was discovered Inside,
He's had six number ones, multi platinum album Wore a
shelf full of the wards, the good news. He's here
next year with us. Mike Lick Combs and Jordan Davis
is with us from Nashville.

Speaker 9 (01:00:36):
Good morning, Good morning, Mike, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
On No, not at all ten. Now, tell us about
your experience of New Zealand. If it's more than I've
never been there before.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
That's it. That is my experience. I've never been there before,
definitely been on the bucket list for a long time,
so I definitely think it would be a trip over
there playing music. I thought it would just be me
traveling to see the beautiful country that I've seen grown up.
So but now being able to mess that with going

(01:01:05):
over and working some is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Now, how did the Luke comes thing come about?

Speaker 9 (01:01:10):
You know, me and Luke we've been touring going back
to I think twenty I think my first tour with
him was probably two three years ago. You know, it
was me, him and Laney and then I went and
did a headline and tour, and then he offered me,
he asked me to come back and do a stadium
tour with him this past year. And then one night

(01:01:32):
after I believe it was the Cincinnati show here in
the States, he asked me. He basically told me, he
was like, Hey, I've got something coming your way and
you need to say yes to it. And I was like, well,
what is it. He was like, look, you're going to
hear about it in the next couple of days, and
I need you to say yes to it. So I
think Luke knows that I'll jump at any chance to

(01:01:53):
get out and play shows with him. And obviously this
tour was what he was talking about. So it's been
a friend ship going on five years now. I love
him to death and he's been really good to me,
So I'm excited to continue playing music with him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
See, we had him on the show a couple of
months ago. He seems to me like the real deal.
He's He's like, he's a good guy.

Speaker 9 (01:02:12):
Oh, I mean, I don't know of any better, to
be honest with you. You know, I've known about Luke
for a lot longer than I've than I've actually, you know,
called him a friend. But I remember, you know, the
first the first songs I heard from him, just thinking like, man,
this guy, this guy's a heck of a writer, incredible singer.

(01:02:34):
You know, he must be a jerk like something. He
can't have it all, you know. And and then I
and then I met him, and uh, he's been so
good to me, so good to my family. He really is, uh,
you know, his song what you see is what you get.
That's Luke Combs. He's good as goal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And does he look after you on too? Because it's
it's that old rock and roll thing, you know, where
whereby you never see the star and you're just in
a separate It seems different in country music, is that right?

Speaker 9 (01:03:00):
Oh man, we're uh, you know, I think that, you know,
And a lot of that is the artists that have
come before us that have taken us out, and probably
artists that have taken Luke out. You know. It was
always I thought it would be that way. It was like,
you know, as an opener, it was kind of like, well,
I'm just gonna go out and play the show, stay
out of the headliner's way, you know. But with Luke,

(01:03:22):
it's you know, I feel like I saw him every
day when we're out torn together. I bump in his
green room for probably two three hours watch football with him,
you know, just catch up, hang out. So and that
wasn't just me, that was Mitchell, Timpenny, Kobe, a Cuff,
you know a lot of the other artists that were
on that tour. It's an open door policy, man, And uh,

(01:03:43):
it makes it makes touring more fun. Uh, it makes
the road a little bit easier when when you truly
are out there with good people and everybody's kind of
looking after everybody you reckon.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
That's part of the explosion and popularity of country music
in that sense. I mean, this seems to be a
genuine community income right among most people.

Speaker 9 (01:04:01):
Man. I sure hope. So, you know, Mike compan ever
even thought about that. I hope that is is one
reason why it feels like country is gaining is bigger
now than it's ever been. You know, I think you
hear people talk about that on on award shows or
interviews and say like, yeah, he's a buddy h And

(01:04:21):
maybe a lot of people take that as like, oh,
they probably see each other and like you know, say
hello at shows or at festivals or whatever. But it's
actually it really is. You know, we all root for everybody,
and h I know roots for me. I root for him.
But you know there's numbers in my phone Dirk's old
dominion guys Jacoen that I truly could call right now

(01:04:46):
and they would answer the phone. And it's not like odd,
are weird? It's just like, hey, what's up? Man? You know?
And I think that is. I think that's one reason
why Country Country is doing what it what what you know,
what it's doing right now is because we really do
all like each other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Now, now, tell us about your story, because are you
another one of these? I moved to Nashville. I mean,
you know, you learned to play the guitar, I went
to university, moved to Nashville, got discovered. I mean that
can be presumably a real thing.

Speaker 9 (01:05:14):
Yeah, absolutely, you know it's definitely not as easy as that.
You know. I moved in twenty twelve after graduating from school,
and you know, never dreamed to be the artist or
touring or playing shows. My dream when I moved was
to write songs. I wanted. I wanted other artists to
cut my songs and hopefully one day hear some songs

(01:05:37):
on the radio. I come from a family of songwriter,
so my uncle you know, found his way in Nashville
that way. So I kind of thought that I would
just kind of follow a suit. And it wasn't until
kind of out out of desperation, you know, things weren't
going my way in Nashville. I'd been in town for
almost five years and really didn't have anything going on

(01:05:58):
that I started playing show as. I started playing live,
you know, little bitty shows around Tennessee writers rounds here
in town. Then really caught the bug of it and
just fell in love with performing my songs. And that's
how I started, you know, playing shows. It was something
that I never really I didn't you know, it wasn't

(01:06:19):
a dream until it happened. And now I really kind
of can't, you know, I look back and I can't
think of it going any other way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
See, given all of that, are you still punching yourself
or are sort of used to it now?

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:06:30):
I mean there's still moments of, you know, things where
I'm like, you know, you think you're gonna wake up
from a dream, and you know, even this, like you know,
the thought of you know, if you would have told
me ten years ago, I was gonna move and sign
a record deal and have some success with your own
music and get a chance to tour countries that you've

(01:06:52):
been dreaming of visiting and play music there with superstars
that you now call buddies. I'd have been like, Man,
I think you got the wrong guy. I don't think
that's I don't think that's in the cards for me.
But you know, it's still moments that you wake up
and uh, you know, I just came in here from
a room that I have some awards that I never

(01:07:13):
dream would have dreamed ever would have won. But it's
real life and I'm grateful for it. But it definitely
it definitely makes you want to want to taste that
that success again. But I am. I'm blessed you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Well listen, hold on, Mike, we'll come back with morning moment.
Jordan Divis he's on his way here next to you
with the Luke Comes fullteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Zippy seventeen past dight to Jordan Divers. I guess listen
what once you you know you get your success, but
do it of course was huge. That was global, so
that's major. Did that feel like something happened at that point?

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
Yeah, after that release, you know, And that was a
weird one too because it was kind of coming out
of our COVID years.

Speaker 10 (01:07:56):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:07:56):
You know, I had released that song when we weren't
playing music, and I knew having Luke on it was
was going to really bump that one up and it
was gonna get heard more. But it was that first
show back from probably taking a year off of not
playing a show, and I remember almost not even playing
it that night because I was like, man, I don't

(01:08:16):
know how this song is going to react. It's new,
you know, we don't we've never played it live. We
were playing this big beach festival in Carolina, and when
we started it, I mean, it was just immediate singback
and that's when I would say, oh, man, this one,
this one feels different. And then I just thought, well,
you know, these people haven't been to a show.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
In a year.

Speaker 9 (01:08:38):
Maybe it was just like a lucky night, you know.
And then I started seeing, you know, it was that
it was that way every night, and that was when
I really felt a shift in my career as far
as people listening to my music and showing up shows,
and we've really just been kind of kind of riding
that wave ever since we released By Dirt and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Being a rise. You know, come from a family of writers.
Did you know what you had there or did that
surprise you?

Speaker 9 (01:09:04):
No, not a clue. You know, I would say, both
of my big songs even next thing. You know, when
we finished them, I didn't think anything of it. You know,
I was proud of it. And I tell this story too.
You know, I wrote by Dirt with my brother and
two of my best friends, Josh and Matt Jenkinson. When
we finished that song, Josh said, Hey, I don't know

(01:09:26):
what's going to happen with this, if you're going to
record it or if somebody else is going to cut it,
But I'm really proud of the song we wrote today.
And I think that's how we kind of left it.
We were just like, you know, this is what we
this is what we moved to town to do, to
write songs like this that mean a lot to us,
and then kind of let the chips fall where they
may if it ever gets released. And so no, I'm

(01:09:50):
I'll say this, I am so bad at picking songs
that are so called hits. I have no clue. I
know how to write them as hard as I can,
and then after that I leave those to people, the
people that know how to pick a good song.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
So what have we got? A couple of albums? And
when's the next one? Jew by the way, and how
much of next year twenty twenty five you got sorted?

Speaker 9 (01:10:11):
Yeah? A lot of shows already booked for next year.
We're getting to play a lot of festivals, which is
is gonna be fun. I feel like the last couple
of years, I've been on tours from you know, January
pretty much through the year, so I haven't been able
to play a lot of these festivals. So playing a
lot of festivals. I had an album that I was
going to release early next year. I just recently have

(01:10:36):
pushed that back. I think I'm going to release it
later in the year. We have a fall headlining tour
that we're planning, but really not just to put it
out around that. I just don't feel like I had
the songs that lived up to the record I wanted
to put out. So I'm going to write a couple
more months and see if we can finally get it

(01:10:59):
nailed down. But yeah, a lot of touring next year,
and and a and a new record middle of the
way through the year, possibly in the fall.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Man, I tell you what you sound like, this is
the dream you living the dream I am.

Speaker 9 (01:11:13):
I don't know, you know, I don't know what else
I would be doing. Uh, Or I can say this,
I don't know if I would be doing anything else
that would would bring me as much happiness as as
playing music for a living has done. Now, don't get
me wrong, there's definitely been some valleys. You know. I

(01:11:34):
set it in the song. Uh. You know, it's ups
and downs. But just do what you love and call
it work. And I do love this And it's crazy
that I get to call music a job. But yeah,
I'm I'm too far in it now to do anything else,
Nor do I want to do anything else. I am, I'm,
I'm I'm the most most blessed guy out there, lucky

(01:11:54):
to get to call this a job.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I tell you, I tell you what. Having talked about
Floyd comes Morgan Wallen on the program. One of the
things that really sort of blew their mind was it
doesn't kind of matter whether you're from Carolina or Tennessee
or whatever. When you get to the other side of
the world, a place like New Zealand, you steer out
to the crowd, tens of thousands, they're singing back at you.
You know, they're going, oh my god. It's a truly
global thing. You know, you're in for quite something.

Speaker 9 (01:12:18):
Yeah, I'm excited, man. And you know, whether that's country
or anything, it's the power of music, you know, to
see that we're all not too different. You know, we
love you know, we all want the same thing. And
to be that far away from home and to hear people,
getting a chance to hear people sing my songs it is.

(01:12:40):
It's probably gonna be emotional. You know. It's a special thing.
So I'm grateful I'm getting the opportunity to do it. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
We're looking forward to seeing you. You have a great
fist of season, and we'll look forward to catching up
with you maybe when you get to the country.

Speaker 9 (01:12:52):
I can't wait, Mike, Thank you so much. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
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or do all country music artists come across the genuinely
nice people? I'd say the latter. Mike, looking forward to
our Nashville experience in January. January with friends from Tennessee.

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I'll have to look up with Luke who's playing jan
twenty third about minus two degrees, telling us a moment
ago he was barbecuing stakes last night in the snow
that had snow in Nashville. Mike, do you have a
vested interest in Combs coming to the country. He's getting
a lot of free advertising on your show, Ben I do.
The vested interest I have is having as many people

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exposed to people like Luke Combs as possible, and I'm
quite hopingly using my platform to increase its popularity. Newspeaking
in a couple of moments, the hey thing, this is
the former Transport minister. There's something going on there that
will eventually come out that Zakias crapping himself over at
the moment, but it's yet more problems for him and
the opposition a little over it. So Rod Little is next.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The
Mico King.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Togs Head be well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Barnier is gone. The French have had their vote and
he is no longer will be no longer Prime minister.
So there were five hundred and seventy four people in
the in the in the Parliament three thirty one no
confidence two forty three. When we had Catherine on earlier
this morning he said he was fifty short. Turned out
to be eighty eight the difference, so he couldn't swing it.
So he was brought down by the left and the
far right in one of the I suppose ironies of it. Also,

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Macron's job is now to go find somebody else who
wants to do the job. And you might remember if
you followed it at the time he had a lot
of trouble finding Barnier. So merry Christmas twenty three minutes
away from.

Speaker 11 (01:15:40):
Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of
mind for New Zealand business Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
From this weekend, so that it'll be good anyway. In Britain,
Rod little morning mate, good morning. You did it very well.
Indo these arm bands, how angsty is everybody in the football.

Speaker 10 (01:15:57):
Very very very angsty. So so the Football Association which
runs football in England and they did Scotland and Wales,
has decided to embrace political correctness and it's done so
in the past by insisting the players taking me and
all this sort of thing, and it does so whilst
at the same time insisting that players must never wear

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anything which suggests politics or religion, either on their shirts
or of their shoes or wear. However they do it,
so it's having its ca coneating it. What it's done
now is insist on all players wear rainbow armbands, and
it's criticized and ticked off. One player, Mark Gaye in

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England the International Crystal Palace, who wrote on his rainbow
arm band, which is there obviously to show solidarity with
LGBTQI people, Jesus Loves you. Gay is a fervent Christian.
His dad is a Christian minister, and it is thought
that he perhaps doesn't entirely go along with all the

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ideas about LGBTQI, so he's been told off. However, the
Muslim players who have refused to wear the arm band,
and they include Sam Morcy, the Egyptian English midfielder from
Ipswich and luss Masawi, who is a player for Manchester United,

(01:17:21):
have refused to wear their arm band peous they say
were Muslims, so we don't agree with it. As simple
as that, and of course they've kind of went there.
So it's just another horrible mess board of identitarian politics
of which the country is heartily sick, and it causes
far more problems that it solves. And it's been one

(01:17:43):
of the lead stories here over the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Lad It's a whole I'm sure they could see coming
and they don't seem to be able to transpise this.
Are the PMQ's and stuff. There is the more with
US transport, Louise Hey, is the more with Us came from?
Is it going to come out and is it going
to be super embarrassing.

Speaker 10 (01:17:59):
I don't know, it's a short answer. I mean I
suspect not, and I mentioned you before. You know, she clearly,
I think committed a fraud and knowingly did so. One
would suspect from the evidence which has been placed before
the police and why she received a court a sentence

(01:18:20):
for it, which was a discharge. So I think it's
not quite as innocent as Louise Hay is making out.
At the same time, I don't think it's you know,
it's anywhere near a resignation issue for Sakia Starver who
appointed her. It may speak to a little lack of judgment.

(01:18:40):
But hey, we've got David Lammier's foreign secretary. You know,
we don't need more evidence of that. I suspect it's
not a big issue.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Good now, the fact that.

Speaker 10 (01:18:52):
Kenny Badden, well, they accept the fact that Kenny Badden
not chose to lead on it at questions she maybe
she knows.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Something, we'll see. The counter to that was Starmer was going, well,
this is Beltway stuff and while you're fixating here and
whisments to the real world's getting on with who then
one net stand off.

Speaker 10 (01:19:13):
I think she did right. I think she did, and
I think she has him rattled and increasingly when you
look at him, he looks like a man who wishes
he were doing any job in the world other than
the one he's currently doing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Funny, how many lived in the British Army three four six.

Speaker 10 (01:19:31):
Eighty thousand. Roughly it's about eighty thousand people in the
British Army plus a bunch of reservists. Alistair Khans, who
is the Defense Minister and a former soldier himself, says
that we would last about six months up against Russia,
you know, and that's because in fair mister Khans and
the labor government. You know, we've cut our the numbers

(01:19:54):
of people joining the army, but massively over the last
fourteen years and further bore. We've also tried as hard
as we possibly can to deter the usual people who
join the army, I white working class males from joining
by having incredibly woke adverts which say, you know, we

(01:20:14):
are in favor of trans and you must sign up
to this. They really ought to get back to, you know,
recruiting from where they are popular, but they haven't. There's
one suggestion which came out to quite interesting one from
David Davis, a former Brekxast secretary at Conservative who said

(01:20:34):
that students should be drafted into the reserve or offered
a job as an army reservist for two years during
their university courses. They've got about twenty weeks holiday that
could be serving the army, and we'd pay off their
student loans, which seems to me a fairly interestingly imaginative option.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Yeah, that's a set of a thought there. Hey, I
was reading the other day about the renationalization of the
rail and you're part of the world. Is so Southwestern's
the latest and that it's labor policy, and as the
contracts come up, they renationalize them if yeah, they had
worked and sort of denationalizing them originally, if they had

(01:21:14):
been successful, would you renationalize or is labor just renationalizing
because that's what they do.

Speaker 10 (01:21:22):
No, it's not what they do, and indeed they'd Kirstarmer
said earlier that he wasn't what he was going to do,
and then he changed his mind, and then he changed
his mind to get et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
It's interesting, No, they haven't been successful. The truth is
that the really really busy route such as the one
I use l Er which gets you up from Edinburgh
to London, has been catastrophic. However, it's been slightly more

(01:21:47):
catastrophic since it was nationalized four years ago. So nationalization
itself doesn't help the railways. More investment and better management mode,
but not nationalized say itself.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Always good to talk to you about. Go well, rod
little out of Britain for us this morning, just before
we leave that particular part of the world. I didn't
know they've got it. But next year they've got a
junk food ad band coming in anything before nine o'clock
at night, comes in on October next year. Food classified
by the government less healthy, which will include the obvious
fast food, soft drinks, ready meals, et cetera, pastry, cereal bars,

(01:22:23):
and sweetened yogurts. But they've added this morning crumpets and porridge.
So you're thinking, well as porridge. But then and this
is where these things fall apart. It's not all porridge,
So porridge with sugar or salt or fat band without sugar,
salt or fat exempt, so there'll be an entire government department.

Speaker 12 (01:22:44):
And crumpets I mean, well able to depend what you
have on it, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
One hundred percent. Hence my point. It is eight forty
five the.

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Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
There be some very good news for you in just
a moment before I get there. Around the sycamore gap.
Remember the sycamore gap in Britain. The tree got chopped down. Anyway,
seedlings from that, currently being cared for by the National
Trust Plant Plant Conservation Center, are going to be sent
out around the place to grow some more sycamore trees,

(01:23:17):
which is a lovely thing and by way of a gift,
and I quite like this, but I'm a bit weird
like this. So they've taken some of the curtains from
the palaces Windsor Castle mainly this year and they've recycled
them into coverings for footstools. So there's eight of these
stools are going to be auctioned online. Money raised to
the King's Foundation charity disused palace curtains, so that's exciting.

(01:23:44):
Delft blue, floral vintage rows and teal and rich damasque
burnt orange drapery. It was the style they say used
in the fifties to the nineties. It's quite beautif. I
think it's quite beautiful.

Speaker 12 (01:24:01):
So some colorful foot stools heading to the Husking Hall time.

Speaker 9 (01:24:07):
On one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Hand, draft do they do?

Speaker 12 (01:24:11):
They do a poof?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
I wish they did, but they don't. Hand crafted wooden
footstools were made at the Snowden School of Furniture based
at King Charles High Grove. Of course the coverings made
at Dumfries's house. The Sewing Bee in Scotland invites anyone
to join to develop their skills and textiles. I mean,
that's how cool the King is. Last year they raised
more than thirty two thousand poundins but a little footstool

(01:24:37):
with some curtains made from the from Windsor Castle and
come on right, you're ready for this. This is this
is probably the best news of the year. Fonterra. Their
forecast range is now nine to fifty to ten fifty
per kilo. What does that mean? Midpoint ten never been
there before. Recovery and demand from China. This is fresh

(01:25:00):
news out of Fontira, fresher than a pail of milk
freshly squeeze from the teat of a cow. Recovery demands
and greater China. Demand from Southeastern Asia continues. Milk production's
got problems in the US and Europe. That's why we're
benefiting most regions. Production here is up. They're still going
to pay forty to sixty cents on the shares, but

(01:25:20):
ten bucks and I don't think we're done yet. Ten
away from nine.

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Men speaking music. Spotify is all sort of wrapped it
up here for the year. Are globally Let's do globally?
What are the trends? Taylor Swift? She was a trend
in twenty four, World's most streamed artist, the Tortured Poets Department,
most streamed album, Biggest song in the world, Espresso by
Sabrina Carpenter. Was she the one who's just broken up
with the berry from Yeah Words? He cheated on her?

(01:27:26):
Don't shoot the messenger? Wasn't me Bruno Mar's Lady Gigar
die with a smile. Just didn't get it, did not
get it. Most viral song, most shared on Spotify to
social media. New Zealand, What can I give you? The
most popular one in this country as far as things
Joe Rogan experience. Guy Williams out of the ABC will

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be disgusted at that. He was the one chairman of
the ABC in Australia. The other days US appalled Joe Rogan.
We don't know how many listeners he had. Most listened
to Audiobook and Don't Do It was You Spere by
Prince Harry. How many losers listen to that T Swift music.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Most listened to New Zealand. Her her album Her Boyfriend
associated with her was popular tom New Zealand artist Sexy.
The most stream song we rated Espresso by the recently
single Sabrina at number five. The fourth was Million Dollar

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Baby by Tommy Richmond. Third was Too Sweet by Puzia.
Second was Lose Controlled by Teddy Swims. Teddy's been on
the program as well, of course, Twell Mike, But Teddy
Swims does some good music. Yes, that's Teddy's been on
the They've all been on the program. The number one
most stream song in this country this year was this

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told Benny Boone Beautiful better for Betiful, betterful fans. He's
playing Spark Arena the twenty fourth of January. Oh my god,
it's my birthday he's come again for my birthday. I
told him not to do it again this year. He
said that we had such a good time. I'm back
next year. He's such a cool guy who was round
on the barbie. He sang some songs. I said, I said,

(01:29:30):
sing that beautiful theme song, Benn. He sang it for me.
He said, I'm coming back next year for more. Mike.
He's here on my birthday spark Arena Jan. Twenty four.
It's beautiful anyway, Tomorrow, Happy Days.

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